pvp

[zenith tundra]

yuki with rudder is more of a meme

ok after changing to proper gear on gascogne 5-5. (she's using 457 so her survival means a lot it seems)

[shell heron]

so full french main fleet is a meme afterall, who knew

but riche looks interesting as a Nagato replacement option

that VG looks about right. that's the vg power I expect without gold boiler

[zenith tundra]

main should be right too. mine is 1551x-1555x depending on amagi setup

[ripe latch]

better then 2-8

[narrow meadow]

what gear are you using on richy and jean bart

and they're not oathed right?

[zenith tundra]

i might have forgot an aux lol. so much time wasted

[narrow meadow]

ah they are

im planning to use french pvp fleet when i get mine to 120

but no fdg so im gonna be looking for a 3rd, will likely be between WS and Monarch

kinda disappointed to hear that you had them both oathed :p figured i might be able to squeeze a bit more juice out of em

[shell heron]

I guess the twin 406 skc matters more on PvP than PvE for Richelieu. that earlier firing time could decide a match

[narrow meadow]

HPFCR works on her first non-preload salvo right?

[zenith tundra]

it's wasted on her with twin 406

[narrow meadow]

yeah was gonna say she's already firing really quick, diminishing returns

[shell heron]

have you tried how much better the 406 skc is compared to the mk6?

[zenith tundra]

best win ever

the only would change is making her use barrage less

mk6 has better vg pressure but that's like using 2 oxy on vg praying for rng

[narrow meadow]

perhaps it's time to deploy formidable...

truly that would be better than fdg

[shell heron]

fair enough. mk6 gets put back on PvE mainly then

[zenith tundra]

i would only use mk6 for sirens

7-3 was missing rudder on jb

[narrow meadow]

neat, that's about the fleet i was planning to use

and that's 7-3 vs the namagifdg azykkju and not some other jabronie fleet right

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't mind testing against namaryuu well equipped. bb teams do better vs namagi fdg then namaryuu

[narrow meadow]

who would you try to have lined up against hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

i would just test them all

[narrow meadow]

i see

well i hope you find it then has helena retrofit made a dent in jp pvp?

i doubt she would, but she did get a pretty massive AA buff

i'm wondering if she could be a good plug and play option against foxes/hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

i would test vs namaryuu in en (vs known people) tbh. it's too hard to have any clue what opponents use on that comp

[narrow meadow]

for sure

[shell heron]

when you have a 120 richi ready, tell me what comp you want

outside of dev30 azuma

[narrow meadow]

my own is coming together quite quickly ☺️

[zenith tundra]

u'll have to ask stella for that. i'm too tired of al to keep playing in en too

what's ur azuma dev level? it's 26 on stella acc

[shell heron]

25, 6 off from 26

[zenith tundra]

11 past 26 but i used generals on her pre dev 25

6-4

[zenith tundra]

1-7 is bad enough tbh

without fdg or ws carrying the team has very low dmg

[shell heron]

Makes sense. Are you going to try Richi/Amagi/WS?

[zenith tundra]

i can but it would never be a comp

[shell heron]

Care to explain, is it because loss of early amagi barrage?

[zenith tundra]

why not just nagato instead of richy

[shell heron]

Just wondering if it can perform better than Nagato or about the same

but if I want damage on enemy vanguard I have Azuma

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws has almost 100% win rating vs namagi fdg

[ebon schooner]

i find magi, ws, richie , a tad more faster than namagiws

[zenith tundra]

i don't think is less rng tho

[ebon schooner]

Consistent 50-70 secs

Went 9-1

[zenith tundra]

that's how long it should be

[shell heron]

that vg feels off

[ebon schooner]

yea

[shell heron]

both in positioning and fleet power

[ebon schooner]

low power

[frail orbit]

Anyway, Amagi FDG Wakai, Amagi flag, no?

[elder crane]

wait. 3:33 on timer

Yukikaze strikes again!

[zenith tundra]

9-1 with saint and 10-0 with azuma. but again with namagi ws i never lost to namagi fdg

it would be more interesting testing against other stuff like ws amagi fdg that is hard without a proper tank

[storm jewel]

is Richelieu super amazing in pvp or she just alright ?

kinda want to oath her to try pvp

[zenith tundra]

don't oath for pvp

[storm jewel]

thats 12% tho

[zenith tundra]

it's only an effective 5.6% stats gain from oath

[storm jewel]

so how is richelieu ?

I plan to put her to a jpn fleet

no other french ship beside her tho

[zenith tundra]

i don't think she is better then nagato with amagi-azuma teams. she is a side grade to amagi without nagato.

[frail orbit]

Basically
Amagi but no need of HPFCR w/ less of defensive capacity

Her only defense is her offense of her barrage tbh
So just put her flag in Riche FDG Wakai comp

Obviously she's weaker than my wife

[zenith tundra]

while overall wr richy ws fdg is pretty much same as amagi ws fdg in most non-hiryuu cases richi variant is slower overall

[frail orbit]

Yeah

Also worse defense

W/ my wife u could get long time defense
While w/ riche u could only debuff enemies on her barrage proc

[storm jewel]

damn why wouldnt you want to use the best, if not the best then its shiet then

[frail orbit]

Anyway
DrH or Hoodgun on her? Sounds like DrH for that FP n shelling dmg but kinda wanted Hoodgun for spamming that debuff more often @zenith tundra

Or perhaps
Monarch gun?

[zenith tundra]

her dubuff can last 30s

u don't need to spam it

also considering that her dmg is mostly mg and burns

[frail orbit]

So, DrH? @zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

maybe mk6 tbh

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra anyway zack, wonder why tf double twin 457 user of wamagi fdg often puts my wife on wakai snipe focus

Isnt the norm should be Amagi center tho?

[sour oasis]

Would more or less people rush if players stopped getting merit after hitting AotN?
There will still be players who want to hog top 10 just-because, rewards or no rewards, but there'd be less food to get bonus ladder points if there weren't random rushers.

[vague token]

is fdg barrage not supposed to hit enemy backline xD

[zenith tundra]

@frail orbit no one is supposed to be in any position. u change ships positions baded on opponent

[simple basalt]

I did it!

First time ever GENSUI.

[shy hazel]

grats now sandbag

[crude mortar]

how many point can I get from attacking this guy

[ripe latch]

2 attempts , on first get 4 misses from ws kai skill to fdg

[shell heron]

You can math that out pretty easy. How many multiples of 35 is the score difference

But just know 19 is your max points gained

[shell heron]

It's last day and my max is 78 rn. I'm jusy gonna become food today

[sour oasis]

So if I have 120 bonus points, but are only 50 above the season minimum (rush without any bonuses is 2490), I have a what, 41.7% efficiency?

[ripe latch]

fck all namaryuu fleets

and one exer left

[zenith tundra]

2494 to be specific but yeah only around 40% which is very low tbh. it should be around 60% tbh

(not if u missed attempts tho)

[static gull]

Good evening, folks. Just came back to game and find that, i need more buffs

Are 3 lines possible?

[coral wren]

wym 3 lines

explain

3 columns of buffs

[sour oasis]

Thanks Zack (and I missed seven attempts; bonuses were incredibly generous this season)
Though by that formula, if I've only 50 bonuses and 50 above EoS minimum, I technicality have 100%

I can still rush top 3 right now, so I'm not complaining

@static gull you can get more buffs (throw Yuubari up front, sub in DDs, cats in PvE), but why?

[empty owl]

Dido + QE = ❤️

[upper sparrow]

QE useless as usual

[vague token]

lel

[static gull]

wym 3 lines
@coral wren thereby raising shipfu morale ) just joking

[elder crane]

There's no "lines" lol

[whole terrace]

LMAO

[elder crane]

Skill popups are attached to ship location

So your second "line" is just the vanguard skill activations lol

[empty grove]

Cursed screen

[red crane]

My progress on my pvp comp

[shell heron]

Ok I'm just gonna push all 10

[ebon schooner]

[red crane]

something kinda goofy is that like 90% of juneau's xp has been from dailies and excercises

juneau is also starting to not be the last of the vanguard to die

[shell heron]

done. enjoy the free meal

don't expect this again

[sour oasis]

Bested Donald Trump?

[ripe latch]

mmm replaced ankimo to boiler and ez win , what wrong

identical stats

[sour oasis]

I have a dumb observation. If I get 25 points over 2496 without missing a single ticket, I'll have 100% of bonuses? That's an odd %.

[shell heron]

I'm sure trump has one more match, but still 1 point less than me

if I'm not in 2590 range right now. No point in sandbagging last reset

[naive dome]

how do people get so much evade on thei backline? rudder + radar?

[ripe latch]

double radar or radr + rudder

+beaver

[empty owl]

@upper sparrow shes still preventing a big buff to everyone else

[sour oasis]

Huh. How do I get 100 merit a fight? If I'm already in top 10 and not entering it?

[hot creek]

gotta currently be top 10 for 100 merit fights

[shell heron]

it's easier to see when AotN is unlocked and you choose to become food

[prime panther]

anyone got indep with sl10 barrage?

[sharp obsidian]

Holy cow! People are so ahead. I’m sitting at Dev 24 and was feeling pretty happy but some are already maxed out!

[shell heron]

doing 3 cube projects as refreshes helps speed things up

[hot creek]

No 457 ? , or maybe you just have low fleet tech.

[leaden jay]

Does Sandy Kai see any top tier meta fleet play?

[vague token]

not really, we're in a bb meta and hiryuu usually is killing you when your vg is dead

and she doesnt have any durability skills to help her stick around to that point

[hot creek]

On Sandy theres only like 5 ppl who bother to put up a tryhard defense fleet

Okay Im exaggertaing a little, more like its 5 people who have maxed out fully oathed defense fleet with optimal loadouts and then like 50 people with meta fleets but have missing oaths and questionable loadouts. Out of a typical top 100 here on Sandy.

the rest are joke/novelty fleets, slightly off meta or whatever

[leaden jay]

[narrow meadow]

gotta say pvp community,,, disappointed in you this season, last season there were way more neat fleets,,,,

[ebon schooner]

[sour oasis]

Come to Avrora. Welcome to die.

[crude mortar]

+19!!!

[ebon schooner]

oh i still havnt retro helena

maybe i will after pulling shangri la

[narrow meadow]

need to run a beaver badge on either monarch, warspite, or noshiro, whomst gets it?

[ripe latch]

who 3d on main?

[deep glacier]

It's been several months since I stayed up late to see who's going to get the top 3

(it's almost 02:00 am where I live)

And I need to wake up later at 06:00 am

At least I beat my previous record, 2587 -> 2588

[ionic magnet]

time to eat

[ionic magnet]

yikes 17 only

[cerulean estuary]

[ripe latch]

👀

[narrow meadow]

there we have it, richy is the queen, officially

[ebon schooner]

damn right she is

[ripe latch]

mm good food

[empty grove]

Hmm

Not bad for 3 matches down

[narrow meadow]

whoa never seen that AI there before

[ripe latch]

[narrow meadow]

guess that means i was the 4th person to refresh

[light crystal]

1 min before reset in WA

[deep glacier]

The last few seconds were a little chaotic

[narrow meadow]

nice excield

[empty grove]

If you get AI it means you logged out & back in too early

[deep glacier]

2601 was the one to get 1st place right? (on avrora)

[empty grove]

Yeah

[light crystal]

Had to fight the dude with Dev 30 FDG/Azuma, managed to win first try. I dont think he had 457mm tho. Need to get that shit if I want easy consistent wins.

[empty grove]

@ebon schooner

Damn your name bro

[cerulean estuary]

avrora rankings
( last 6 months )

[empty grove]

[narrow meadow]

niiiice i got someone using their exercises early

[ionic magnet]

ded ppl

[ripe latch]

70lvl food on top

[ebon schooner]

Avrora

[empty grove]

Vysaga

Haven't heard that name in awhile

[crude mortar]

life of sandbagger start again

[ebon schooner]

kamita was constantly on my ass

[empty grove]

I got +8 on that final reset

[narrow meadow]

uhh im forgetting, is a petty officer this early gonna be somebody who already used all 5?

fuck it either way he dies

[empty grove]

You can hit petty with 4 so not always

[narrow meadow]

grrr ill wait a minute

[ionic magnet]

just check top100

can tell easily

[empty grove]

Yeah it's easier now

[narrow meadow]

108

[empty grove]

If they're on like 110+

[ebon schooner]

hit my 2600+ goal, now i sleep

[empty grove]

Now hit 2608

I wanna see that score

[ebon schooner]

[deep glacier]

By any chance do you always screenshot the first places?

[ionic magnet]

someone does every season

[narrow meadow]

oo i got tatsuye

should i try to out-sandbag or go for one of the petty officers next to him

[ebon schooner]

here was last season

[coral wren]

can i trust these people

[narrow meadow]

tekana maybe

[deep glacier]

I see, I should have gone to sleep early

and just see the results tomorrow

[narrow meadow]

taseman went up 40 ranks looking tasty

[coral wren]

urs are moving?

[narrow meadow]

ye

[coral wren]

why dont mine move

[narrow meadow]

yeah i think its a safe bet taseman used all 5

uhh just log out and log back in

they always move, they're good people!

trust!

[coral wren]

server?

[narrow meadow]

avrora

[coral wren]

same

[narrow meadow]

yeah im going for taseman

[coral wren]

ahhh this guy moved once

[narrow meadow]

i dont trust myself to out-sandbag tatsuye

that would be yuge tho

[ebon schooner]

[coral wren]

matchups that move

what a scam

[empty grove]

It's the richie collusion

[ebon schooner]

shhh

[coral wren]

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

[narrow meadow]

31 for my 2nd

if i get get 29 or 30 for 3rd ill be satisfied

[coral wren]

can confirm yuudachipoi is sandbag

[narrow meadow]

THANK YOU DAIOS

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

[hot creek]

Sandy score lower than Washington

never hitting 2600+ ever again

and the one time I did I wasn't even top 1

[ebon schooner]

this is wash

[hot creek]

Oh, I guess I meant Lexington then.

[ebon schooner]

now whats amagi

oh thats wrong

this is wash

[hot creek]

Right

[crude mortar]

is this good start?

[rocky shadow]

How many maximum bonus for pvp?

[hot creek]

Is anyone here even on Lexington?

[narrow meadow]

that start is fine

no, nobody plays on lexington

[empty grove]

I'm on lexington

[narrow meadow]

again, nobody

[celest obsidian]

started at 600 smth rank
won 1 match, no bonus points
moved to 827
why.jpeg

[ebon schooner]

oh a rank50

ill take it

[hot creek]

Im on Sandy, twice

[rocky shadow]

Why starter position matter?

[hot creek]

Gotta farm them guild points with rotating alts

[celest obsidian]

It doesn't, really. Just curious what happened and why it works like this

[empty grove]

Cause you hadn't refreshed rank

So your displayed rank was a lot higher than 600

[terse birch]

can you refresh your rank...?

pretty sure i'm not actually 53

[empty grove]

Log out & back in

[terse birch]

god dammit i should've played against that rank 18 guy

[coral wren]

doesnt count like that

but if hes still rank 18 u know what to do

[terse birch]

nope, my leftmost guy is 700 now

[coral wren]

welcome to nobody moves zone

[terse birch]

i've never sandbagged before

this is going to be a looooooong season

[narrow meadow]

as long as you use all 5 before reset 3 ur okay

[terse birch]

that's what I did last season and I ended up rank 14 :(

i was so sad

[hot creek]

700 is probably still good food 40 minutes in i would guess +33, +32

[terse birch]

oh well, next season it is

[narrow meadow]

uhh yeah

you should have

[rocky shadow]

How player can get +30 every attack?

[terse birch]

i'm guessing a massive rank point difference

[rocky shadow]

Yes but lucky is involved too

[narrow meadow]

im on 32-31-29

[terse birch]

jesus

[narrow meadow]

its just from having the biggest gap possible

i waited for someone to do 5, then another to do 5, then one more

[coral wren]

i waited

but they didnt do

[narrow meadow]

sadly my first guy had a kinda bad fleet, could have gotten more than 32

[terse birch]

doesn't it only depend on gap though

[coral wren]

yea its only ur point difference / gap

nothing else effects

[static gull]

They are called one huge load,lol

[thick cove]

I can only do 5 battles
Fuck.

[jovial sedge]

Btw any new fleets changes to fleets?

[upper sparrow]

N

[jovial sedge]

So even russians or baguette or new muricans with helena kai cant compete to almighty devs' wet dream zoo fleet?

[whole terrace]

now whats amagi
@ebon schooner amagi server top 3. I was asleep so i didn't screenshot but found it on ALM's discord

Also thanks for the avrora screenshot. I wanted to know my final placing

[static gull]

So even russians or baguette or new muricans with helena kai cant compete to almighty devs' wet dream zoo fleet?
@jovial sedge
Have you overlooked bestiality tag when downloaded AL?

[shy hazel]

so

r ppl tired of new server pvp

[crude mortar]

R PEOPLENOT TIRED OF SANDBAGGING?

[untold wyvern]

Why is Noshiro still considered pretty good in pvp even though her tankiness disappears ?

[crude mortar]

why her tankiness disappear?

[untold wyvern]

Because pvp enemies have very high accuracy and her tankiness depends on her eva rate buff

At least.. that’s what I was told

[ripe latch]

put rudder and se , how they try hit her

[upper sparrow]

Noshiro cute and stronk

[static gull]

Very good ship

Noshiro cute and stronk
@upper sparrow very stronk i guess or it just luck

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

imagine if this noshi have rainbow torp

[ripe latch]

rainbow

[shell heron]

I think I have one on her

back when I was using Noshi

[polar wren]

Hey guys just wonderin if i could get an opinion, I am tryin to decide who the last member of my VG is gonna be for the season, I havnt PvP on a server other than Amagi in a long time and I'm not sure what I should do. My choices are limited and I don't have another true "meta" ship, so i just wanna make the best with what ive got. I am running Yukikaze and Juneau, but my choices for the third ship are Sandykai, Portland, Niimi, or Spee at level 120, as well as Minne and Neptune at level 115. I can't really see it being viable to send in a ship that is lower level than that. My Noshiro is only level 105 and I know Bel is out of meta now and shes only level 113. What do you guys think is the best play?

Main fleet is Warkai, Centaur and Saratoga. I know Sara isn't meta, but again, of the ships I have at 120, shes better than Hood or a level 115 JB

as a side note, I also have QE at level 115, and i know she would buff Centaur and Warkai, but she just doesnt hit hard at all and I'm afraid the buff isnt worth the loss of damage

[ebon schooner]

neptune

[polar wren]

Neptune is dev27, is that still okay?

or would she need to be full dev30

[ebon schooner]

youre losing 15% efficiecny

but none of the other options you listed are good so kinda forced to use the best of the worst

[polar wren]

yea, i know its not ideal, best of what i have is sorta what i was goin for

[ebon schooner]

ca are generally useless, niimi is not good

[polar wren]

yea Niimi is only 120 for the sake of gettin FDG

[ebon schooner]

so youre stuck with sandykai or nept

[polar wren]

same with Spee

[ebon schooner]

id pick nept

[polar wren]

yea i am gonna go with Nep, about Portland though...not enough damage or what? shes a good tank...just wonderin what a 115 Nep has over a 120 Portland?

[whole terrace]

i went with sandy kai on the amagi server since there's a lot of 2 cv comps

there's no warkai there though?

[zenith tundra]

depends on opponents but nep is better in almost any case then sandy. if amagi meta is cv everywhere then sandy would be better

[ebon schooner]

oh youre amagi

[polar wren]

Yea i run SandyKai on Amagi

but this is not on Amagi

this is on Sandy

[whole terrace]

oh mb

[polar wren]

I am also one of those 2 CV comps on Amagi. Unfortunately i just dont have many options

but the whole entire meta on Amagi right now has nothin to do with ships and everything to do with not forgetting to do your runs

[zenith tundra]

good thing people were asking about meta fleets for amagi before it was even up

[polar wren]

haha yea...there really aint a meta. Still TONS of Hood on Amagi

my favorite is side Hood + Uni flag

[zenith tundra]

everyone got hood at the start seems reasonable

[polar wren]

Yea

I think the real way to go on amagi right now is foxes

theres no warkai

so thats helpful

[whole terrace]

foxes are great on there but once nagato is released they'll be inferior so I'm not going to invest in them.

[crude mortar]

cn jp getting warkai rerun

amagi server might getting soon

[polar wren]

but like i said, at the end of the day, if you have leveled ships, the only thing that really matters is not missin your runs

[crude mortar]

[whole terrace]

Related to your initial question, what other ships do you have? do u have formi? amagi? hiryuu or monarch or anything?

on your sandy account

[polar wren]

not leveled

one second

the pickins are thin

ideally id run Warkai, Amagi and Centaur

[crude mortar]

how long have you play the game

[polar wren]

but Amagi not there yet

Well ive had an account since launch but i would go weeks without loggin in for a very long time. I didnt start really playin seriously until...i think HoloLive was my first event that i actually tried in, and i didnt really understand the game until maybe....Polaris?

for the longest time it was just 100% cute girl collection to me

[whole terrace]

I would use warkai amagi monarch/hiryuu. One of your backliners needs to be able to tank Warkai and amagi/fdg focus. Amagi and centaur suck at that, and u want warkai to live to dish out damage.

I prefer monarch over hiryuu in that comp as i've found it more consistent after testing, but either is fine

[polar wren]

Yea but mine are super underleveled

[whole terrace]

level them then

[polar wren]

well yea of course, i just mean for now

I have been workin on Amagi, all her skills are maxed, just tryin to get levels on her now, but itll take a couple weeks probably

[whole terrace]

did you manage to get noshiro? I hate to say it but noshiro is better than neptune for pvp

and sandy kai, portland etc.

[polar wren]

Yes i have Noshiro but she is only level 105

i have every single event ship without missing one since HoloLive

but the only ones i have leveled are what you see here

for VG reference

[whole terrace]

ok so ur leveling priorities are noshiro juneau amagi and monarch or hiryuu

for pvp

[polar wren]

Yea been workin on Juneau, fortunately if somebody is gonna be underleveled its okay that its her

[ebon schooner]

Lvl you’re richie

I assume you have her

[polar wren]

yea

[ripe latch]

yuki nimi port

[polar wren]

I am workin on Noshiro right now, she is the priority in the VG

[ebon schooner]

I find richie more of a side grade when compared to nagato

[polar wren]

yea, unfortunately i do not have the cutest fox

[whole terrace]

Really? I thought zack tested warkai amagi richie and found it underwhelming.

Oh actually he said he didn't want to test it i think

[ebon schooner]

I mean I used richie the entirety of the last 4 days and didn’t experience issues

I found I was killing vg quicker than using nagato

[whole terrace]

How did u find tanking enemy warkai? Who did u use to tank

[ebon schooner]

I would just mirror warkai

And my richie skills weren’t even maxed

[whole terrace]

I'll have to try it but it doesn't sound better than what I've already got

[ebon schooner]

Honestly it’s not an upgrade of nagato

More of a , if you don’t have nagato but have richie, you’ll be fine

You can still compete against meta consistently

[polar wren]

Richie that good huh?

[ebon schooner]

Yea

Imo absolutely

[narrow meadow]

also a big buff for saint louis users who are far off from azuma

[ebon schooner]

Miss me with that sanrui shit

[polar wren]

Saint Louis users who are far off from Azuma

that defines my situation on Amagi

[coral wren]

Reeeee

4/5 now

[narrow meadow]

killed my sandbag

141 for first 5

should have went after koroshiya as soon as I saw him move last night, I could have gotten another mover

[silent ocean]

dang the pinned messages where removed? hmm weird

[crude mortar]

gone along with narrage warning

cuz narrage damage isn't a part of pvp

[empty grove]

You said the word twice

No getting out of it now

[crude mortar]

me?

[empty grove]

The B word is forbidden in PVP

[crude mortar]

OH

AM I SAFE YET?

[empty grove]

Idk

Gotta give it time until Nimi stops crying about not having an oath skin & decides to punish you or not

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

what even is the b word

[ebon schooner]

enjoy your ban

[coral wren]

what

[shell heron]

hmmm, I got one bonus this reset

[upper sparrow]

what even is the b word
🅱arrage@coral wren

[shy hazel]

godbless that certain mod who warns and bans ppl because apparently

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

🅱️ arrage is illegal

to talk about

[narrow meadow]

anybody know these names? i got paired up with them at rank 4 and 3 were top 100, should i refresh?

[shy hazel]

nein

looks like not avrora

[ebon schooner]

just compile a list of people

[narrow meadow]

its avrora

[shy hazel]

i guess its too early

[narrow meadow]

i figured since they all went for 5 early that at least one of them would go quickly

im guessing they're just waiting too, darn

[fast storm]

[narrow meadow]

[red crane]

@polar wren join me in Amawaryuu

[polar wren]

Well, FDG soon™️

[red crane]

damn

i can't gridn for fdg

i mean technically i can, but i only have graf zep

[polar wren]

I am p sure Zeppy counts

She gives no fleet tech points

But her exp counts

[red crane]

don't have her

[polar wren]

Yea but she is available

[red crane]

and even then, i still need iron blood techpoints

[polar wren]

You can get her

[red crane]

toe ven start

[polar wren]

Ohh yea

Thats an issue

[red crane]

so im working on getting roon rn

[polar wren]

I have 588/630 with Spee at 119 and z18 in the dorm gettin leveled to 70

[ripe latch]

[red crane]

im 300/630

[polar wren]

I just workin Gascogne in the meantime which is puttin levels on Zep

So it will be easier to farm exp with her for FDG

Also helpin me raise Richelieu in the meanwhile. I am doin JB/Richie/Zep

[red crane]

if i max lb the other german ships i have and get roon im at 506 :/

[polar wren]

Whats your Roon bp situation

She is worth a metric fuck pile of FT points

[red crane]

106 rn

[ripe latch]

just w8 event

or 120

[polar wren]

I think if i just bleed cubes ill have a dev30 FDG in 90-120 days

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

[rocky shadow]

For enterprise should i use barracuda or tbm avenger? Because tbm avenger have 1s reload longer

[ripe latch]

only barracuda

[crude mortar]

what is tbm avenger?

that plane exists?

I thought azur lane only have ryusei and berracuda

[ripe latch]

maybe this
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/TBM_Avenger_(VT-18_Squadron)

[ripe latch]

[rocky shadow]

It from event but i forget which event

So barracuda still the best?

[ripe latch]

yea

this plane trash and dmg as like barracuda with 1s more

[rocky shadow]

Yeah i have used for a while like 1 month and i realized the reload time is longer than barracuda

[crude mortar]

it garbage

enty can somehow dodge warspite ap gold with berracuda+homing

at 20

[rocky shadow]

Alright, I will switch back to barracuda

[crude mortar]

🅱️ erragecuda

[ripe latch]

[polar wren]

I run that plane on Centaur

I would also run Cuda on Enty

[empty grove]

The word barracuda is skirting a fine line

[polar wren]

i feel like theres a meme here i dont get

why will no one say....that word

[empty grove]

A mod warned someone here for posting a barrage gif when someone prior asked about said ships viability

[polar wren]

well thats dumb

does that some how violate a rule

[shell heron]

2 bonus matches this reset.

lets see where I end at

[zenith tundra]

this reset only or total?

[crude mortar]

[shell heron]

This is the first reset of the season afterall

[zenith tundra]

true

i didn't notice my 3rd list was full low level and wasted so much time on it

[shell heron]

I know one person on my 2nd list will move eventually

didn't think it was at the end

perfect. 137 start

[zenith tundra]

138

[shell heron]

actually not my worse. that was 135 I believe

not counting that season where I got stalled into a new season

[empty grove]

Will sleep defeat us tho

[zenith tundra]

my worse was ~110 when i tired starting with attempt from season before

[shell heron]

This would have been a better start if sleep didn't defeat me last night

staying up 30min after new season start is the best way to catch early rushers

I see Kiro on my new list

[ebon schooner]

oh oops

i was in the shower

[ripe latch]

lel , nakaga sandbangers

[ebon schooner]

eh, i can turn this around

[red crane]

i got a 149 start

doesn't matter though, not like i have a good comp to do much later on

[naive dome]

is jean d'arc any good in pvp ?

[zenith tundra]

i just got +18 bonus in 3rd reset in jp

i haven't tested her but she's slow and her timing doesn't really matter

[narrow meadow]

with enough resetting and a juneau you can probably beat any team in pvp as long as your ship is 120, max skills, and good gear

[velvet oracle]

ayyy they finally removed it after almost a month

wiki is accurate now

[ebon schooner]

they could just copy paste everything thats been said here

but that means giving a shit about pvp which no one does

[velvet oracle]

you mean mechanics? it's also there now

sandbagging part? no way lol

[cinder seal]

I never noticed it because I don't play with sound, but sometimes in exercises the music is different? Is that from the opponent having certain ships or items?

[velvet oracle]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ankimo from the hololive event, it's basically a boiler

[cinder seal]

oh, that's what I thought, but they weren't using any collab ships so I wasn't sure

[naive dome]

so attacking fleet doesn't have any bonus ?

[hot creek]

defending fleet's damage output is reduced by 20% is a more accurate statement.

[vague token]

if attacker had a damage bonus, front loaded damage would be even stronger

cause ws would probably just 1 shot someone

but since we get a DR boost, attacker is rewarded heavily for durability

since if you push back your own TTK you have a higher chance to use one more cd

[shy hazel]

[tough dirge]

finally full 120 ijn with a nep

i lucky e'd

[ripe latch]

imagine, but sandbang part on docs blocked

[rocky shadow]

Cool skin plane

[coral wren]

i cant stand the plane skins not being the same

[crude mortar]

imagine playing pvp but the game update pvp score everytime you check exercise page rather than having to relog game every single time

[shell heron]

That would make too much sense

[sour oasis]

PvP is a minigame by itself. Logging in and out is part of it.
But it's not like it's usable as an exercise pit either.

[crude mortar]

LOGGING IN AND OUT IS A PART OF PVP?

[sour oasis]

How else are the devs to tell you they don't care.

[storm jewel]

/devbp

[coral wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512967149975896084/697348939774689361/devbp.png

[crude mortar]

dev telling us they dont care by making a happy accident

like what is the reason for relogging

they dobnt want to waste server ram resource and force us to relog?

make sense

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i can think of is to prevent people from spamming it and create servers load for no reason

[silent ocean]

geez no one is moving, is everyone a sand bagger now like tf

[ebon schooner]

when everyone is a sandbagger, no one is a sand bagger

[terse birch]

is there any rule of thumb for how many ranks apart you should be when sandbagging?

[ebon schooner]

depends on where you are currently in the season

[terse birch]

me at 4.4k vs someone at 2k

[ebon schooner]

when you sandbag enough, you will begin to recognize when to move, who to hit and what not

[terse birch]

rip my entire summer holiday

[hot creek]

id probably attack

[ebon schooner]

id say a +2 or +3

[terse birch]

yeah i got +3

[ebon schooner]

are you avrora?

[terse birch]

yep 😛

please go easy on me 😅

[sour oasis]

Avrora is for try hards. You knew what you were getting into.

[vague token]

[terse birch]

I just joined avrora because my friend was already on there :(

[sour oasis]

Is this the only pvp spreadsheet? I remember there was one with usernames listed.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit

[shell heron]

What are you looking for? A list of sandbaggers?

[sour oasis]

A list of old rushers.

Maybe it's me, but a few names I used to remember as rushers are now baggers.

[ebon schooner]

to my knowledge, there is no list of "sandbaggers" or "rushers"

i do keep a personal list of them

[next olive]

juneau front, belfast middle and what's a good ship for the back?

[hot creek]

yukikaze sama

[upper sparrow]

Check tier list spreadsheet on pin

[hot creek]

Also you might want to swap Juneau to mid and Belfast to front depending on matchup

[molten lance]

Is nagato Amagi and warspite retro a good backline

And IJN torp fleet as vanguard

[hot creek]

Nagato/Amagi/Warspite is a top tier backline, yes.

Torp VG however, is only good if you get a good opening and sink enemy Juneau fast enough. Or if you trade VG's and are using Hiryuu with her invuln still available.

[naive dome]

when would i want Juneau mid ?

[upper sparrow]

When u are facing torpmeme i guess, still hit or miss tho

But shouldnt put jun mid on def. Fleet with BB focused

[sour oasis]

@ebon schooner I used to, I really should have kept it going. Because the PvP bonuses form has username inputs, I figure it tracks who was on defense.

[ebon schooner]

lol

[shell heron]

That was just a tracker on who recorded the data. and that is only sometimes used.

recording our opponent's names and cataloging them is more work that I don't want for this project

[vague token]

so new project where we input names and their rush times

xD

[ebon schooner]

who saids people havnt already started that

[vague token]

i havent xD

[empty grove]

I haven't either

[next olive]

is muse sheffield at back fine

i don't have too many alternatives

[upper sparrow]

What vg do you have rn

Sheffield is good on stalling enemy, idk about the muse one tho, should ask hms specialist @ionic magnet

[ionic magnet]

i only used the old sheffield before

best stall VG for sure

muse sheff should not be too far off

bigger question is if you have jun and ykkz

[ebon schooner]

whos jun

all i know is healslut

[next olive]

i got bel at front, london mid and muse shef back

im building jun

and i don't have sandy retro or yukikaze yet

[crude mortar]

community google doc that put name of sandbagger

so you ctrl F search the name to check bagger

!

sandbrager

sand🅱️ arrager

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/FZOLh/20c73513cb.png

[red crane]

gl

[shell heron]

5 matches in 9 minutes is easy, but that means 0 bonus this reset

[vague token]

lul

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

if you dont do pvp now you gonna get alot of point next reset!!!11

[hot creek]

yes, the post was about no bonuses lol

normally I wouldve refreshed at the begining after seeing all those low level players

but I was busy

and just ignored it after finishing the matches previously

[vague token]

lul

i think i also got 0 bonus last reset

[leaden sleet]

so why is warspite good in pvp? her skill targets the furthest enemy right?

so you can basically just snipe the non-flagship backrows

[vague token]

do you think foxes are good?

warspite is that except better

front loaded damage

[hot creek]

her 🅱️arrage does good damage and her shots prioritize backline

and she just has better than average accuracy

[leaden sleet]

ah, I guess that she generally prioritizes backline is already good enough

even though you can't focus flagship

[vague token]

i mean if you want flag focus you usually can get away with monarch kinda

[upper sparrow]

The thing is her 🅱arrage can deplete 70%-90% enemy backline hp in one-shot

[vague token]

not as good cause no luck and low accuracy

[shy hazel]

🅱️arrage will get u banned

[leaden sleet]

yabai

[glacial shuttle]

lvl 102 too low for start replacing Noshiro for Azuma?

[upper sparrow]

What dev she is

[past egret]

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

eat leftmost or wait?

[ripe latch]

🍖

[shell heron]

easy choice. if you have any doubt then look at the scores above them and see if it can give you any more bonus points

assuming they have 1 match left

[sour oasis]

Damn. I thought I had a good start.

Oh. The Essex event. Sandy and Lexington once again try hardest; already at 95%. Amagi be Avrora just 97.

[naive dome]

what aux should I put on Aurora in mid/rear position

[twin vortex]

Come and eat me

[ebon schooner]

5matches in 4mins

[ripe latch]

vs namaryuu

[hot creek]

matches are like 40s each this early in the season anyways

[ebon schooner]

the game kept me at the result screen for my last match

see recover timer at :59

[ripe latch]

days without hiryuu : 0

[inner zenith]

what rank are u guys at

[ripe latch]

https://i.imgur.com/wijoP8b.png

[static gull]

Nice fleet btw

[ripe latch]

imagine using eldi as tank

[static gull]

Imagine using vestal as a tank

I didnt know that playing with trash ships is so funny

[ripe latch]

akashi carry

[glacial shuttle]

What dev she is
20

[glacial shuttle]

also if I'm using Azuma + YKKZ + Juneau, who gets the Pearl?

[proper sorrel]

juneau gets the pearl.

[hot creek]

yeah sadly there no other choice really. You could put it on ykkz but ehhhh.

[proper sorrel]

you could.. but------------ just pray your main fleet doesn't die before her

[empty owl]

Is there anything redeeming about this AA or should I stick to the meta

[sour oasis]

It's already part of the meta. While it isn't as good as the STAAG, it performs similarly enough to it you could use it on your BBs.

[hot creek]

stick to meta if you can

hazemeyers are a stepping stone towards STAAG, not a replacement.

[sour oasis]

While you're here, in relation to @glacial shuttle question of Pearl equip, wouldn't Azuma at d20 be worth it? Once she hits 30 it could go on Juneau.

[hot creek]

Meh.

[glacial shuttle]

Gonna replace Warkai for Hiryuu, this good enough?

[hot creek]

I think reppu is supposed to be a bit more optimal.

[frail orbit]

Depends on who tf u wanna go against

[hot creek]

and personally, im more of a cuda guy. Ryuusei is just not that great.

The only place where Ryuusei shines is when enemy VG is gone.

[frail orbit]

Cuda for more crash dmg anyway

But well

[zenith tundra]

cuda sucks with 1 cv tho

[frail orbit]

^

[zenith tundra]

what suicide dmg with 8 planes

[proper sorrel]

i prefer ryuusei so much

[frail orbit]

Basically u wanna maximize huge suicide dmg

Thats why u use Cuda on FC

[hot creek]

Ryuusei loses out on so much damage in general

always misses VG

less backline damage

[zenith tundra]

less backline dmg what? ryuusei deletes backlines without vg...

[hot creek]

literally only good after you've eliminated their VG for concentrated backline damage which at that point you already won anyways

[frail orbit]

He wants more crash dmg btw, zack

[proper sorrel]

i swear it's much more easier to it main fleet with ryuusei

[frail orbit]

Koz Ryusei aiming sucks

But hey

[zenith tundra]

i lost plenty of matches where i won vg

[hot creek]

and even so, Ryuusei is still RNG when aiming at backline

[proper sorrel]

i mean it could be main fleet vs main fleet you'd never know how RNG treats you

[zenith tundra]

all french fleets win vg and lose 50% of the main vs main

[frail orbit]

Like what
Imagine crash dmg not even that much of a burst

[hot creek]

I literally never have problems using cuda

[frail orbit]

Like what

[hot creek]

Ryuusei is such a meme

[frail orbit]

Personal preferences

But Cuda need huge numbers

For huge kamikaze

[zenith tundra]

more like server preferences for good or bad fleets on defense

[frail orbit]

Perhaps

Am not on Sandy after all

And Zack on JP + Avrora by proxy of Stella's acc so

[hot creek]

When I was using Ryuusei on offense, shit sucked so bad. Like no VG damage, whats the point

[zenith tundra]

1k suicide more dmg won't kill a fdg with 25k hp and decent aa

[frail orbit]

RNGesus bruh

Imagine only sandbag

Going for the speediest fleet

But then not realizing some potent shit

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu purpose is to finish fight not to kill vg

[frail orbit]

^

She's literally like what

Last kansen alive

[hot creek]

there is no reason to use inferior Ryuusei when Barracuda does literally everything better except in one small situation where you don't even need the extra backline damage

I don't have to deal with RNG bruh when using cuda

[zenith tundra]

u won't ever kill fdg with cudas

[glacial shuttle]

ah yes, the daily cuda vs ryuusei fight

[hot creek]

We'll see about that.

[zenith tundra]

then again how many fdg did u fight in good comps maxed yet?

[hot creek]

FDG is pretty overrated imo

[proper sorrel]

what.

[hot creek]

from my own experience

[frail orbit]

Thats bkoz

[proper sorrel]

[frail orbit]

U havent seen much of it

[whole terrace]

For me, if you want hiryuu to survive til the end of the battle, use ryuusei to nuke opponent backline after vg is dead. if not / if ur using her to tank, use barracuda

[frail orbit]

IMAGINE ON SANDY

SANDY MEME LOL

Imagine hoping for non meme FDG fleet keks

[zenith tundra]

u only see fdg full potential once u see tank ws all fight and still mvp because she doesn't die

[frail orbit]

^

Even w/ 457 that is

[hot creek]

You realize I dont even have to see a maxed enemy FDG myself?

[frail orbit]

Keks
U go against her, not using her

Then u could talk

Try using FC comp against FDG D30 based

Or Namaryuu vs FDG D30 based

[glacial shuttle]

https://imgur.com/a/bl4qiUO

is the gear good?

[frail orbit]

Could switch rudder to beaver

Koz flag

Also no scuttlegun?

[glacial shuttle]

it's an album btw

[frail orbit]

I meant for Nagatoot

[glacial shuttle]

only got 2 but I'd rather use them for PvE first

[frail orbit]

Koz Indo sucks
Cant open imgur

[zenith tundra]

that setups for vg is pretty slow

[whole terrace]

^ torpedo bulge on juneau might not be worth losing the speed of a boiler

[proper sorrel]

who has the beaver

[zenith tundra]

no one

[proper sorrel]

..

[frail orbit]

3stack of boiler da wae

[hot creek]

I don't have to go up against an enemy FDG to know she's overrated when I use her myself. And yeah, she's a tad bit overrated.

[frail orbit]

This is da wae

[glacial shuttle]

Nagato = SKC + Nepgun + STAAG + SG + Rudder
Amagi = Hoodgun + Nepgun + STAAG + SG + Rudder
Hiryuu = VF17 + Helldiver + Ryuusei + Rudder + Fuel
Juneau = 138 + Quad Mags + Roomba + Pearl + Bulge
Yukikaze = 100mm + Quad Mags + Quad Bofors + Boiler + FE
Azuma (d20) = Azumagun + 138 + STAAG + Rudder + Gyroscope

@frail orbit

[whole terrace]

why do you think she's overrated phoenix?

[hot creek]

But its fine. I'll set up a Namagi FDG defense and have my guild mates test it later

0 Luck

[whole terrace]

is that all? xD

[frail orbit]

No rainbow quintmag?

[glacial shuttle]

I'd rather not use Beaver becuz PvE HM reqs, same for Rainbow Torps since only got 1

So drop Juneau Bulge for Boiler?

[frail orbit]

U need extra speed tho

Yeah

Boiler 3 da wae

Gyro is boiler too anyway dont @ me

[hot creek]

She's still a top tier ship no doubt. But overrated nontheless. NamagiWS and still better and more reliable, for offense purposes at least.

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws doesn't easily beat ws amagi fdg tho

[glacial shuttle]

alright, fixed Juneau, nothing else?
also what should be vanguard order? Juneau / Azuma / YKKZ?

[zenith tundra]

either ws or amagi is sacrificed to enemy focus because both cannot tank

[frail orbit]

^

[hot creek]

Well according to my guildmates, its still pretty easy to beat. I've had that defense set up last season and told my guildmate specifically to test NamagiWS lol. Maybe I need more 457's but I doubt it'll make a difference.

[zenith tundra]

what was the result?

actual result not easy

like some actual numbers

[frail orbit]

U need to repeat a lot of it anyway

[zenith tundra]

for me easy means 100% wr

[whole terrace]

In my experience, this fleet is the only fleet that my WAM fleet has gone below 6-4 against (it went 5-5). And I've done a lot of tests by now

[zenith tundra]

are u focusing amagi or monarch mid?

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/G07CJ/78abfc81c4.png

3/29 wins for my defense fleet

[whole terrace]

ws mid monarch top (opposite fdg) amagi bottom (opposite enemy amagi). I didn't think focusing fdg would be the best way but i did terrible when i tried to focus amagi (same goes for namaryuu actually)

[zenith tundra]

that's a 90% wr

definitely not easy for defense standards for a t0 comp

[hot creek]

dafuq? you think 90% isn't easy?

[upper sparrow]

[glacial shuttle]

Asking again since idk, what vanguard order should be with Azuma, Juneau, YKKZ

[zenith tundra]

u need to put ws opposite to fdg so she never targets her before namagi

the easiest way to win is avoiding doing dmg on fdg and killing the other 2 before her @whole terrace

90% wr vs meta defense is bare minimum imo for a t0 comp

if u lose more then that u are not t0

@glacial shuttle juneau lead vs ws and mid vs mirror.

[hot creek]

He tested both flank positions. Unfortunately he couldn't get more battles in since he accidently beat me. But its not like it matters since most losses are cause by something dumb like Juneau deciding to not die or just plain bad RNG. 90% is well within the normal realm of a typical top tier comp vs RNG.

Regardless, that comp isn't an issue for NamagiWS

[glacial shuttle]

are Azuma and YKKZ aux fine then?

[zenith tundra]

namagi fdg has more wr then that tho. doesn't really change that

u can never lose to ws teams with fdg and won't lose to anything else either other then utterly trash rng in mirror

[hot creek]

Yeah I highly doubt that. NamagiFDG might be better on defense because she can powerspike but NamagiWS is still king on offense if you want reliablity and good win rates.

[zenith tundra]

yes azuma and yukikaze are fine. u really need to use beaver, it makes a huge difference

good luck proving that namagi ws is better on offense

[glacial shuttle]

Hmmm... Beaver on Nagato then?

[zenith tundra]

yes she is usually who gets it

[whole terrace]

the easiest way to win is avoiding doing dmg on fdg and killing the other 2 before her
@zenith tundra That sounds logical but i tried that and it didn’t work well
I’ll get a chance to try again

[hot creek]

This is where the 0 luck argument comes into play. Warspite is just way more consistent than FDG. FDG's extra tankiness isn't gonna help when half her shells miss.

[zenith tundra]

what are u using on ws

[hot creek]

Usually Rudder/HPFCR

[zenith tundra]

not u dave

anyway 0 luck argument would only ever be relevant if double sg is not an option for her

[zenith tundra]

she can still tank and do enough dmg to carry

i'd put a rudder in there and have her tank fdg. it should work @whole terrace

[whole terrace]

I guess warkai can’t tank fdg well with that. that did cross my mind

[zenith tundra]

fdg does 0 dmg because luck it seems. outside of a 2s fire and consistent barrages every 15s

[rocky shadow]

Why not use both?

[hot creek]

Sure, except using double SG FDG lowers her eHP to the point where Warspite is just as tanky as FDG. So there's the luck argument coming into play once again. And even at that, Warspite Rudder/HPFCR still has more accuracy than double SG FDG

So the only thing FDG has got going for her is her ability to supercrit, if you enjoy praying to RNG.

[zenith tundra]

dmg wise they are different tho. ws is a burst at 10s and then 1 guaranteed shelling vs main. fdg dmg is higher especially main vs main

[hot creek]

yeah well these differences transfer into one being better on offense than the other. And WS still reigns.

[zenith tundra]

whatever just prove than namagi fdg losses more then namagi ws on offense

[whole terrace]

I noticed famine is using hiryuu over fdg on defence?

[zenith tundra]

no 457

fdg doesn't really do well without that so i guess he's using hiryuu for now

[whole terrace]

I'm still surprised. That fdg comp did better than Donald trump's comp, which is the same as famine's

[hot creek]

I'll set up proper tests soon enough but as of now, that is my current assessment based on actual stats/ numbers and the couple times I used NamagiFDG on offense, which had me resetting more times than that of using NamagiWS for multiple seasons lol.

[zenith tundra]

idk how u even reset with namagi fdg tbh

[hot creek]

Easy. FDG misses her shots and doesn't have the guaranteed backline shelling.

And she's really not that much tankier all things considered.

[zenith tundra]

double sg fdg is still tankier then ws

[zenith tundra]

that's an old meme

[whole terrace]

I know 90 luck is a massive difference, but is it enough to offset FDG's (1900 x 2.35?) more hp + her defensive skill?

[hot creek]

Where are you getting that? Initially, I actually thought double SG FDG had slightly more eHP than Rudder/HPFCR Warspite but it turns out that I accidently set Warspite luck to 0 but now that I fixed that, the sheet says Rudder/HPFCR Warspite has way more eHP than double SG FDG

and still has like 9% more shelling accuracy that FDG

[zenith tundra]

the difference is like 40.9k 2 sg fdg vs 40.4k hpfcr rudder ws. fdg with rudder hpfcr is 42.9k

against ws

do u ever take into account amagi buffs and debuffs?

[hot creek]

Nah, just calculating raw eHP. Amagi eva rate buff is flat anyways. Didn't calculate debuffs but imo not that important to consider when both teams are using Amagi anyways.

[zenith tundra]

sg rudder which i run for fdg tank is 43.1k ehp

but with same setup ws has same ehp

but who would give up the op dmg of hpfcr for ehp on ws

[hot creek]

FDG SG/SG 17,694 ehp

[zenith tundra]

without amagi is 32.6k ws hpfcr rudder vs 33.8k double sg fdg. it goes from 1.23% more to 3.68% up

why tf are u using a pve calc

[hot creek]

WS Rudder/Nothing 20324 ehp

[zenith tundra]

did u take 2.34x hp into account

[hot creek]

nope. Like I said, just raw ehp.

[zenith tundra]

why are u using a calc that is not meant for pvp...

and ehp vs who?

[hot creek]

But I guess the pvp hp multiplier would give FDG a bit more of an edge.

[zenith tundra]

what luck what hit

[hot creek]

enemy 50 hit, 0 Luck. I suppose I could fine tune those but I doubt it matters in the grand scheme. I could see the pvp hp multiplier making a difference for FDG though.

2.34x hp eh?

[zenith tundra]

there is the formula in pins if u don't believe me

[hot creek]

its not that I don't believe you, its just that the pvp hp multiplier has always been...sorta cloudy. I'll plug those numbers in anyways if thats what you want.

[zenith tundra]

also would need a 10% dr on fdg

that's average for her skill

[hot creek]

Warspite still wins slightly by about 3%. But with DR, FDG overtakes.

So I guess FDG still somewhat retains her percieved tankiness thanks to pvp hp multipler at least

[zenith tundra]

buffs do make a difference too. going from 1.2% to 3.6% difference with and without amagi

[hot creek]

wait, amagi debuff doesnt even affect EVA. why does that even matter lol.

[zenith tundra]

if u calculate amagi debuff like a 7.15% dr it does matter

[hot creek]

Yeah but both teams are using Amagi. What exactly is changing here?

[zenith tundra]

if u are calculating ehp whatever opponent uses amagi or not doesn't matter

also 10% flat evasion is more a boost on lower base evasion rate then high ones

ws without amagi 23.62% evasion. with amagi 33.62%. 42.3% more
fdg without amagi 12.84% evasion. with amagi 22.84%. 77.8% more

[shy hazel]

zack quitting en

what should i do

[zenith tundra]

but it actually helps ws more tbh. without amagi buff she is lower then fdg somehow in comparation. luck working more when u have high evasion

[shy hazel]

i dont rly feel like playing this game anymore

ll