pvp

[vague token]

why not just make it 90

she's probably on side

=/

[still minnow]

she has a barrage that wants to be in middle

like every other barrage in the game

lol

[karmic forum]

Either way its not going to be much damage with low fp

[vague token]

meanwhile in tosa

xD

[elder crane]

Also on side means no Bisha memes

[still minnow]

we need auxes that give CVs FP

pls

[elder crane]

Bishamaru solves the problem of her first strike dealing no damage at least

and that's hopefully enough for mobs

fills in the missing planes

[still minnow]

well shes all about the gun for me

I know some people want to put a plane in that slot but I question why they even are trying to use her

[karmic forum]

Does bishamaru make a big difference?

[still minnow]

if they dont want to use her gun slot

[elder crane]

9x240 aimed TB barrage

so yeah

[karmic forum]

Well shit

[elder crane]

that's a lot of damage

[karmic forum]

I guess thats pretty good

[elder crane]

requirement is super pepega to balance it

solo CV/L main fleet

[vague token]

cvl solo flag

xD

aka why arent you using ryuuhou

;)

[karmic forum]

Well its pretty relevant this event

[elder crane]

Yep

it also makes Zeppy/Bearn somewhat usable

otherwise their strikes in gun-mode do shit damage

standard 6-plane CVL levels of shit damage

[vague token]

just use ryuuhou with solo sub

ez

;)

[elder crane]

ryuuhou/tash is my setup, yeah

and then I call in Ufleet for boss

[vague token]

yeh

[elder crane]

second fleet just there to pad stats and boost ACV

[rocky shadow]

1:1 with cvl is impossible

[elder crane]

Idk, what am I doing then?

[still minnow]

my issue with these events is that I always want to use them to lvl stuff

[elder crane]

[still minnow]

xD

must. lvl. ships.

[vague token]

im doing 3:1/2:2 d3 because 950 eva req is a nightmare

while also getting gascan exp

xD

[elder crane]

1:1 with cvl is impossible
when right above,
ryuuhou/tash is my setup, yeah

[still minnow]

no quiet

its impossible

[vague token]

but fdg and rich getting that affection for pvp

so

it's a win

[still minnow]

you dont know what your talking about

[rocky shadow]

The damage is too small to kill the boss

[elder crane]

Hence subs

[still minnow]

subs cost oil tho

[elder crane]

still cheaper than using fleet 2

what with those stat reqs especially

[empty grove]

1:1 with CVL impossible huh

[rocky shadow]

I think more expensive tho
1:1 cost 22-25 subs (3 subs) cost 19

[elder crane]

I mean, you do kinda need decent lv ~115 subs, so not a trivial setup for sure

[rocky shadow]

I better with 1:2 or 2:1

[elder crane]

yeah, try that with 950 eva stat req

and, what was it?

1600 FP

when main fleet needs to run a CVL or a CV

I'd like to see a 1:1 and a 1:2/2:1 that can meet those reqs in the fleet lock slots requested, lol

[karmic forum]

I'm trying to make 1:1 CVL work

[rocky shadow]

I wonder if centaur can 1:1 in d1 (include boss)

[elder crane]

problem will be vanguard

[karmic forum]

I don't think that its possible

[vague token]

given the highest evasion ships are all hms destroyer retros

[karmic forum]

That specific configuration at least

[elder crane]

boss especially puts out ridiculous damage output

[vague token]

and they cap at 250

[karmic forum]

Maybe if you stack eva on everyone

[vague token]

good luck hitting less than like 7 ships

3 destroyers gets you 750

[empty grove]

You can still pad with 0lb

[vague token]

only 1 free pad though

[karmic forum]

Mahans will help for sure

[vague token]

2 slots taken by heavy and light

so you only get 4 slots to use

[empty grove]

0LB backline exists too

[vague token]

0lb backline adds like 80 eva each i guess yeah

[elder crane]

that gets expensive though

[karmic forum]

LB0 ranger is still 2 oil

[vague token]

aka double evasion items

[empty grove]

Not when you use it to fill slot

[vague token]

actually no you cant use two rudder

it'd be around like 70

65-70

[elder crane]

I suppose you can just have them sink first fight

makes it cheaper

[empty grove]

I could drop my cost down quite a bit if I ran zeppy

[karmic forum]

Zeppy helps immensely

[empty grove]

But fielding a 120 for a small drop in oil is stupid

[karmic forum]

But if you're fast enough with bearn you can use her as well

[elder crane]

I'm just sticking to 1:1+subs for now

screw all this stat req bs

[vague token]

kek

[rocky shadow]

To kill boss you need high damage output

[empty grove]

Do you actually call in on node start or boss spawn?

[elder crane]

U-fleet easily kills it

boss spawn

[vague token]

any leveled sub fleet should do it

[rocky shadow]

Either use BB or CV like enterprise

[vague token]

as long as it isnt garbo

[karmic forum]

Hard reqs are fine, I still get to do 1:1 with CVL

[vague token]

sadly gotta get dat gascan exp

xD

muh oil

[elder crane]

3 lv ~115 decent subs murder the boss

so yeah, whatever

[rocky shadow]

But the chance to get s rank is low

[elder crane]

????

[vague token]

what no?

subs wont take damage drop

medium armor boss

ez kill

[elder crane]

you kill mobs with 1:1
call in subs
subs take ~25 s to burst down boss

done

[vague token]

probably will finish before surface

[elder crane]

subs don't get affected by 0 ammo

[rocky shadow]

Or maybe call subs on boss node

[elder crane]

and you don't lose S rank for them being sunk

[empty grove]

Also I can see people getting off-topic nimi'd soon

[karmic forum]

Too bad my beaver is permanently on my PvP ships

[vague token]

the struggle of invuln vanguards

why must we be cursed with 25 speed

[elder crane]

anyways, Bisha boosted Ryuuhou and Tash easily murder mobs
no issues S ranking 3* mobs on 0 ammo

[rocky shadow]

Isnt beaver pvp gear?

[vague token]

beaver is anything gear

[empty grove]

It's EVA padding too

[vague token]

speed is good always

[elder crane]

+eva amazing for CAs in PvE, as is +speed

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

and pretty good for CL too

[karmic forum]

Its PvP gear for me

[elder crane]

problem is only one copy

[vague token]

xD

[empty grove]

Just like the HPFCR

[zenith tundra]

would definitely pick extra movement speed in pvp over a bit more tankiness in pve

[rocky shadow]

I put beaver in my flagship for pvp

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't be surprised if they added HPFCR to core data though

[empty grove]

Ehh

[karmic forum]

We will only ever have one beaver badge though

[empty grove]

Anything can happen

[elder crane]

yeah, main fleet gets the most eHP boost out of +eva since lowest evasion
well, minus Azuma things compared to CVs, but I digress

you don't do that in PvE though since main fleet pretty much never dies to shelling in PvE

it's either plane suicide or fires

[karmic forum]

There was that one event that was really heavy on backline focus

I think it was microlayer

[elder crane]

yeah, lots of AP spam on flag

which hilariously
BM was amazing there

light armor

[empty grove]

Ok

Are you double oxy on subs?

Or snorkel/oxy?

Cause mine timed out at 15 HP bars

[rocky shadow]

Snorkel + oxy for me

[still minnow]

iris rerun had a ton of flagship pressure as well

[karmic forum]

Are you using wolf pack?

[elder crane]

snorkel is more damage and more consistent.... except, well, U101 and Aqua take double oxy cause special subs

Running U 81 U 101 and Aqua

[rocky shadow]

Wolf pack is the best sub

[elder crane]

tf

how are you timing out lol

wait, are you using magtorps?

[empty grove]

Ahh ok

I forgot I was memeing

That's why

[elder crane]

[empty grove]

Jesus christ

[karmic forum]

[elder crane]

wait, no mags on U 101

[still minnow]

I dont know shit about subs

what am I looking at

[empty grove]

I need to make more mags

[elder crane]

2 radars

you want t95 on other two subs

algerie sits super far back

[rocky shadow]

Why radar on subs?

[elder crane]

for ACV reasons

[still minnow]

can any of these be a DPS carry?

for D1

[empty grove]

So mags on 101 & 95 on the others huh

[elder crane]

All but the obvious no nos can carry

[still minnow]

their oil costs are all so high

xD

[rocky shadow]

Isnt subs didnt count as fleet?

[elder crane]

apparently they contribute to ACV anyways for some reason

[empty grove]

Slug sub does 100%

[elder crane]

expecting consistency out of AL coding

[rocky shadow]

Idk about that

[karmic forum]

Why t95 over mk16?

[elder crane]

range reasons

algerie sits far back enough that t95 is the only one that will consistently target her, especially for normal corner subs

she also sits pretty still half the time

[rocky shadow]

Sometimes subs torp is high damage or fast reload

[elder crane]

flag sub can probably take other subtorps without too much issue

and ofc U 101 is special

[empty grove]

NGL

I forgot she moved forwards

[karmic forum]

And why double oxy over oxy snorkel on 101?

[elder crane]

since I run mags on her, she won't fire at algerie once she moves back

so no point in snorkel

[karmic forum]

oic

[elder crane]

anyways, that's my opinion on building U 101, I prefer mags and double oxy

[rocky shadow]

That fine

[elder crane]

snorkel with either of the other two isn't out of the question in general imo, you might even prefer it that way

[karmic forum]

Hows this season going btw

[elder crane]

not mk 16 vs algerie though, due to range issues, as far as I can tell

I missed 3 matches at some point, I think

not sure when

[karmic forum]

You're probably still higher than me

Since I rushed most of the season

[empty grove]

I'm on 3 down too

[rocky shadow]

You can keep up with 3 match missed

[elder crane]

1534 10/10

[karmic forum]

I don't really know where the sandbaggers are this season tbh

[empty grove]

I'm 99% sure you wont top 5 EOS tho

[elder crane]

I've hit gensui with 9 matches missed, soooo

[karmic forum]

Since almost all of them dropped matches

[empty grove]

I think a few people are still going

[rocky shadow]

Just rush when you have enough point for aotn

Don't wait

[empty grove]

Kamita is on 72 & mango might be up

Lyn if he's still on 5/10 is like 6-7 up on the others

[karmic forum]

Maybe I'll actually check before refresh one of these days

Haven't seen Hoo on leaderboards yet?

[empty grove]

Nah

He either pushed last minute when I checked before or he dropped

[zenith tundra]

he's not ahead of me

u can check after reset tbh

[karmic forum]

I guess everyone here is out of top 3 then

Unless luck permits

[zenith tundra]

are u pushing to 0/10 shimarin?

[empty grove]

@ebon schooner You still going strong in PVP?

[karmic forum]

Yeah

I used to push to 1/10 but then I dropped a match

So now I can push to 0/10

[karmic lake]

Tryhards

[empty grove]

I'm casual

[ebon schooner]

yea im chilling

[empty grove]

Did you drop yet?

[ebon schooner]

no

[empty grove]

Or are you on 80 with 5/10?

[ebon schooner]

80 10/10 right now

[karmic lake]

[empty grove]

Damn yeah

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

So you are like 7 up from the pack

You'll start experiencing the annoyance soon

Especially on day before gensui

[ebon schooner]

yea

[empty grove]

[vague token]

rng is strong

xD

i bet im 4 behind zack now lel

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

I'll ask mango if he's still doing good

[karmic lake]

LynIV btr get number 1

[ebon schooner]

we'll see

[empty grove]

If he doesn't get assfucked by gensui he should

[ebon schooner]

ive been keeping notes of rushers

at different reset times

an hour in and a few hours after

[empty grove]

Yeah

Some they dump at 10/10

Others is per reset

[zenith tundra]

1579 9/10 are u actually 4 behind?

[vague token]

5 then

1574 9/10

the rng is strong

lel

[zenith tundra]

i got a bit lucky with bonuses last 2 resets

[vague token]

[empty grove]

Wait

Have you missed matches?

[zenith tundra]

terrible rng

[empty grove]

Nah kiro

He's only like 2 up from me

[karmic forum]

I'm surprised that you caught up to the rest after missing 3

[zenith tundra]

early misses....

[karmic forum]

Rather I'm surprised that you caught up so quickly

[zenith tundra]

if he would've missed 3 now it would be like 10-15 behind

[shell heron]

1565 9/10 . wonder where i would be if I didn't drop 3

[zenith tundra]

i don't think bonuses compare when behind compared to full score

[shell heron]

I would expect much less bonuses

[sour oasis]

I missed five on day 2. I'm just 2 behind Cay now I think. Bonuses were plentiful early on, and I doubt I could have gotten it had I not been playing from behind.
But they dried up around Friday. So if you lose tickets, lose them early.

[vague token]

i havent dropped any xD

just cursed rng

[rocky shadow]

If i lose 4 ticket at days 5, im still fine?

[zenith tundra]

not really

by friday is already +10 base

[rocky shadow]

I have calculate my point and the chance to get top 10 still good

With some asumption that i predicted

[sour oasis]

I've managed to sneak into top 10 with +40 bonuses.

[rocky shadow]

I lose 40 point behind so, i have to rush when my point enough to get top 10

[sour oasis]

Tracking bonus points, I've got about 90 this season (minus the 5 tickets, that's still +40...I can rush all the way until Friday / Saturday and try to sneak in). But I'm going to drag anchor and get a few more bonuses to increase my chances.

[rocky shadow]

Yep me too, im trying to get at least 4 point bonus per day to catch up

[zenith tundra]

total bonuses and effective bonuses are different. u don't get to have 100% bonuses as effective advantage over minimum score.

[sour oasis]

What's your score/server Fox?

'100% bonus?'

[zenith tundra]

total bonuses: 103
advantage over minimum: 65
effective bonus %: 63.11%
this is by when minimum gets over 1050 points

even if i had a total of 103 bonuses early season i only gained 65 over minimum

[rocky shadow]

1573 rank 197 4/10

[sour oasis]

I still have my minimum by Keripo's rush-only chart (even though it's off by +6 points)

[zenith tundra]

usually u get around 60% of the early bonuses as effective advantage over minimum score

[rocky shadow]

I miss bonus point at early seasons so i will try next season but for now i will try my best

[sour oasis]

1573 seems competitive. Could be a little higher. +4 every refresh for the next 12 refreshes is +648.. 2221 is your window for Friday's last refresh.

[rocky shadow]

I save my attempt until next reset then rush if no one move

I want to avoid miss attempt like some days ago

[sour oasis]

But you also want that +4 per day. It's a hard balance.

[rocky shadow]

That why my target at least +4 per day

[still minnow]

HEY BLUE ARE YOU HERE

ok actually nevermind I figured it out

thanks for your moral support

ok next question: I have these boats

I tried palstering them full of 4 ryuseis

and it worked except for the part where it didn't work

it was super inconsistent and had no backline pressure

so I took them all off and went with parrallel torpedo spam

and that is doing way better

my question is: cudas or 818s?

or VT-18?

maybe one of each? cuda on taihole, VT-18 on formidaboobs, 818 on slutty?

[vague token]

i swapped off of vt-18 xD

im using skyrocket on taihou too

reduce vg damage so i dont kill juneau

[still minnow]

stupid game

why did I oath her if I can't rename her to slutty smh

[upper sparrow]

Ask to #tech-support

[still minnow]

@vague token why did you swap off VT-18?

[vague token]

too slow mostly

no reason to space out formidable away from taihou too much since im not going for vg kill

[still minnow]

I thought being slow isnt an issue if you're gaining damage when not timing anything?

[coral wren]

@zenith tundra , have you maxed Richelieu already? How is her performance overall?

[safe meteor]

is that new French HE gun better for Saint louis and other CA in pvp?

[hollow maple]

imagine CA in pvp

[vague token]

should be based on zack test

[zenith tundra]

the shell speed alone is much better for pvp

[safe meteor]

eh, there is Ibuki, Saint Louis for CA?

[spare iron]

Pute french fleet viable in PvP?

[hot creek]

nop

seems that riche as a standalone is good though.

[safe meteor]

can you add Saint Louis to that standalone Riche?

so Riche, Warkai, FdG or something
Juneau, Saint Louis, Yukikaze?

[hot creek]

Yeah I guess, Saint Louis is useable. Azuma's probably still better tho lol.

[safe meteor]

how far does her research need to be?

vs fate5 Saint Louis buffed by Richelieu

[zenith tundra]

by dev 25 azuma is better at least consistency wise

[coral wren]

( so here we replace sanrui with azuma and eventually richy with amagi and it just loops back to where we started, realising french isnt actually that good )

[vague token]

it isnt like saint louis has bad damage, but her gun angle is super limited compared to azuma

and of course drastically lower hp

if only standard CA guns had like 50% more angle to work with

[upper sparrow]

CA with dd main gun when

[vague token]

so london

[upper sparrow]

Too bad london too squishy on pvp

[vague token]

yeh

[upper sparrow]

QE retro with faction damage reduction & eva rate buff so london kai can be relevant on pvp

[vague token]

xD

if only nagato/amagi barrage was HE so it would count for york

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

MISS 10 CUZ ALARM DIED

CYA NEXT SEASON

[shy hazel]

良い

[crude mortar]

[balmy furnace]

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

play pvp with alarms

[crude mortar]

[balmy furnace]

sadly I have resistance to alarms

[shy hazel]

when u become as good as me

ur body auto awakes 5 min before reset

without outside help

[ripe latch]

always found before reset only namaryuu fleets

[coral wren]

pecorine donate ur body to me i need to wake up before resets

[shy hazel]

nein

im so good i can pvp without playing

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

oh, so if you were thinking of memes by using the jb gun on rich

dont

you have a chance to straight up lose a shot

hidden skill

xD

[shell heron]

[karmic forum]

Won't have an impact on PvP since you aren't using it but its a nice easter egg

[coral wren]

[ebon schooner]

whew

4 hits in 6mins

[whole terrace]

@ionic magnet @red crane thought u two might be interested in this? https://streamable.com/igakhl

it went 8-2 overall

I recorded the last three matches

[light crystal]

I only use Hiuryuu on Def. This good aight

[red crane]

@whole terrace i feel like that confirms to me that the non amagi/ws slot is more focused on eating aggro and im curious how a hiryuu would work slotted in there

im kinda grinding up both monarch and hiryuu rn since my ws is already at max level with the gear i want it to have and they require different resources

plus i have a shit ton of plane shit saved up cause i largely haven't been using planes outside of a few key pve ships

[whole terrace]

Of course it's more important how the comp does vs namagi but apparently WFC + helena can do well against namaryuu so i thought i'd try it

I actually tested both WAM and warkai amagi hiryuu over 6 different namagi comps and they both won exactly 66% - 40/60 wins

(took a long time but it was fun)

[red crane]

i think you cna portmanteau it to amawaryuu

[light crystal]

I wanna try French attack comp in the future. Might not work that good in Def, but fuck if I care lmao

[red crane]

rather than writing them all out

also is kinda funny if you say it out loud

"Imma War You"

[light crystal]

Thinking on this (Except Amagi instead of Gascogne).

[whole terrace]

imma war you lol

Amawaryuu would just completely wreck some fleets and do garbage against others for some reason. It's best score was 10-0 and it's worst 2-8, whereas WAM's lowest was 6-4 and highest 8-2

For some reason it just sucked against this comp, hiryuu and amagi would melt to warkai's AP salvos

[ionic magnet]

interesting

so p much needs 2x helena proc to win

[whole terrace]

Maybe yeah but for some reason the vangaurd pressure sucks

[ionic magnet]

better than no chance at all when i use anyone else

yea i switched out ryuusei

figured 457 + cudas could kill backline faster

[whole terrace]

Well it definitely wrecked the backline on that last one

[ionic magnet]

do you still have me on list

[whole terrace]

no

[ionic magnet]

i can switch to ryuusei

oh rip

[whole terrace]

I seem to get u all the time tho so i can tell u when i get u next time

[ionic magnet]

alright ill switch it now just in case

[whole terrace]

[ionic magnet]

your juneau dying so late is fun to watch

[whole terrace]

lmao it was exactly the opposite of what i expected

[light crystal]

I dont use WK in Defense, because I run SG/WS on her. To run WK on defense, u need to be running SG/Rudder(Or Beaver), right?

I only use her on Attack because of that

[whole terrace]

I don’t change my gear - i always run double sg

[light crystal]

Well, if I happen to get 457, I may start running WK in Def, Ill see

[crude mortar]

[sterile bluff]

imagine getting 457

[sour oasis]

My alt will get 457 before main.

[ripe latch]

[rough depot]

Is Helena Kai effective w/ WFC?

[hot creek]

Probably. She also has a 40% chance of being completely useless, so there's that.

[rough depot]

So it's a little RNG then.

I wonder if the sync and timing works though. Like when her Radar Scan activates, followed by plane hell with Formi and Cent

[proper sorrel]

syncs pretty well with dev30 fdg with twin 457 and hpfcr

[vague token]

i mean at least it's easy to reset if you miss the 16s proc

[shy hazel]

helena is the old ayanami

winning is rng by proccing

[ripe latch]

enemy hlna always proc

[ebon schooner]

just use scripts and bots for pvp

never miss out on fights

[shy hazel]

imagine not being good enuf to rely on machines

[rocky shadow]

Is centaur and formadible always hit backline?

My mainfleet almost died when fight them (in one fleet)

[shy hazel]

they have aimed torps

so they can gank one of your backfleet fast

ofc it targets vanguard first

youll get ganked fast if your vg is weak tho

[vague token]

crash damage spam

who needs to actually use rng

[coral wren]

why is this red

[crude mortar]

cuz its not blue

[coral wren]

nO

doesnt red mean that its "very situational"

but can this gun be bad for amagi

[crude mortar]

load time

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

twin 406 doesn't have much higher dps then twin 381. no reason to make ur amagi slower

also twin 381 has better dps if u don't hit all shelling

[coral wren]

does beaver squad badge effect stop working if the ship holding it dies in pvp

[proper sorrel]

yes

[crude mortar]

no?

i remember @zenith tundra test and say no

it work even carrier dead

[hot creek]

looks like the effect does persist.

[sterile bobcat]

Just curious, when are y'all adding the summary/synergies for Richy in the tier list?

Also, torp meme comps (stuff with Ayaya, Jintsuu, Noshi, Ibuki etc) doesn't really need Nagato to function right? iirc Nagato doesn't even boost torp so

[rocky shadow]

Why amagi barrage lower than hood barrage?

And amagi salvo didnt do much damage even amagi have higher fp

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

@sterile bobcat Nagato boosts reload and hit though, and in PvP, even on DD/CL, hit matters somewhat
Nagato synergizes with torpmemes role-wise too, early RNG wiping of vanguard
Still, you're right in it not needing it, torps have been used in non Nagato setups too
Just, most of meta is IJN now, and torps don't synergize well with pretty much every relevant non IJN setup

[open peak]

Hi. My pvp-fleet atm is Hiryuu, Amagi, Enterprise, Belfast, Juneau, Yukikaze. around lvl 110. I successively improve/change it, and as next step I plan to put in one more from IJN to trigger Amagi's skill. some options from my fleet: Shigure, Jintsuu, Tosa, Ayanami.. Naganami, Kagerou, Hyuuga... Which one could work?

[shell heron]

I would highly recommend checking out the pinned tier list for PvP comps. Out of all the other options you listed. Jintsuu is another option to Belfast(not exactly an upgrade)

[hot creek]

EN getting PR3 at same time JP/CN does

I can only hope my cube stockpile will be enough by then

[ebon schooner]

it wont

[hot creek]

Has anyone here tested against HooLoo's WFC 457 + Helena yet?

[vague token]

havent seen him in my lists

wish i had a 457 x_X

[shell heron]

you have a 457 and dev30 DRs already. PR3 is less of a concern for you

[vague token]

kek

[whole terrace]

@hot creek scroll up

that vid was hooloo's team

[hot creek]

lol the one time she does proc radar and your Juneau doesnt sink in time RIP

[vague token]

kek

[hot creek]

Also I worry about PR3 cause I might not be able to tryhard it like I did with PR2. Need at least 800 cubes stockpile to begin with.

[upper sparrow]

Is pr3 already confirmed in the first place?

[shell heron]

The new Q&A confirmed it. Same release as JP/CN

whenever that will be

[sour oasis]

I want more cube research. My gold is always gone.

[ripe latch]

[upper sparrow]

Q&A confirmed it? That nice

[ripe latch]

they need incr max oil and gold

[upper sparrow]

Monarch-enty-warkai backline def. Fleet actually rare to see kek

[ripe latch]

see only +10

[upper sparrow]

I'll probably try that comp when i get monarch fs5 idk when

How about warkai-amagi-monarch? Is that sounds good?

[ripe latch]

on top video

wam vs wcf

1.0 vs 0.8

[upper sparrow]

1.0 vs 0.8

What does that mean?

[ripe latch]

attacker +20dmg , def - 20% penalty

so 1.0 vs 0.8

[upper sparrow]

Ah btw do ISSS rerun confirmed on Q&A too? I need muh

[ripe latch]

[empty grove]

Was going through old screenshots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/556607441823858688/564706632995438603/unknown.png

[ripe latch]

old pvp ui better than now

[sour oasis]

Still has that weird small-large-small-large icon.

[rocky shadow]

When that ui happen?

[empty grove]

Before the one we have now

Also I see that fucking sara

[vague token]

[empty grove]

I waited too long

Due to being mid map

[vague token]

just ask next time xD

[empty grove]

Nah

I only checked pvp when I posted that

Like since reset

[vague token]

ah

[empty grove]

Damn

3/4 maxed namaryuu

On my matches

[vague token]

xD

[ebon schooner]

i find those more preferable than mirror namagi ws

i can just delete the rabbit shitter

[ripe latch]

porty with pearl

new meta?

[ionic magnet]

just noticed im 8 pts behind kamita

ig i relaxed too hard when i heard cay and fam lost charges

[shell heron]

We both lost 3 due to passing out

[ionic magnet]

kinda depressed too cos algerie only dropped after 5 days

made me dont want to login as much

[sour oasis]

[shell heron]

Imo. You cant relax until the very end.

One moment they are 6 behind you. The next ahead

[sour oasis]

When does it end

[shell heron]

Never. When one season ends, the new one begins

[ionic magnet]

yea i wanna cut it down to 5 pts before gensui

then pray to rng gods

i know im so behind when i got +3 yesterday

LOL

[ebon schooner]

kamita went +2 that reset

[vague token]

o.O

[rocky shadow]

How to counter juneau comp?

[red crane]

run juneau, she's not hard to get

but seriously, idk

[zenith tundra]

use juneau as well or get lucky with torp/preload

[red crane]

yeah my guess was in using torps

cause using juneau from a mathematical standpoint gives you 1.25 ships in value if you ignore her potential contributions before she dies

or .75 in backline value

[vague token]

if juneau is lead you can also shoot her

[red crane]

you p much need to kill juneau too early or too late

to mitigate her impact with her heal

[rocky shadow]

Can Aurora make kill junaeu easier?(im not using hms fleet)

[red crane]

what are you running rn?

[upper sparrow]

Yeah u can aurora to synergize with torp meme fleet

But well its kinda rng-ish bcs its torpmeme

[zenith tundra]

aurora is not that good if all she does is helping torp hit vg. if main fleet doesn't benefit from her might as well use more torpedoes instead

[rocky shadow]

Okay then

Which better for pvp, gold 5 magnetic torp or quad 610mm torp?

Both have strong and weakness

[zenith tundra]

non mag torp are never worth using

[rocky shadow]

Isnt quad 610 have higher damage?

So, i want switch from belfast to yukikaze

Any recommended gear set for pvp for her

[shell heron]

Quad 610 does have better damage, if they land. You're hoping they don't shoot them off screen.

Basic gear loadout on tierlist is fine
twin 100mm / (rainbow quint mag/gold quad mag torp) / (STAAG/quad bofors) / (boiler/toolkit) / fire suppressor

[rocky shadow]

I will try that, thank

[crude mortar]

or just deal alot of dmg

that can wipe their whole fleet even withj une heal

if your fleet deal shit tons of dmg you dont care june heal

at all

unless you use waifu fleet which might be the case

[hidden robin]

Louis + algerie + jeanne are excellent tankers ?

[sour oasis]

Kill Juneau first so she wastes a heal. Torpedo vanguard or barrage BB are my preferred methods.

[potent brook]

is the french team good/

[narrow meadow]

i think there's something to be said for rich and gascogne with saint louis up front

but jean bart is kneecapped in auto play heavily

[zenith tundra]

gascogne is less a pvp ship then jb

[hot creek]

what about Gascogne u?

[shy hazel]

[potent brook]

my JB seems to do a lot of dmg in pvp though

guess its probably cuz shes the best BB ive got

[shy hazel]

yes

u right

if ur jb does the most dmg in your bb team

it means your bb team is bad

[potent brook]

[crude mortar]

[crude mortar]

we all should go spam update pvp comment here

@zenith tundra davai

spam like this comment to get top maybe they will update!!!11

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

theyre improving pvp

by banning the veterans here so ppl can play "properly"

[naive dome]

how to fix pvp: delete Nagato

[rocky shadow]

Ban all meta ship

[potent brook]

is freddy good in pvp?

[shell heron]

Want to use her as tank. Dev25 is fine. Otherwise dev30 is mandatory

But once you max her, she is t0 good

[sterile bluff]

baguette intensifies

[ebon schooner]

97 Juneau

[sterile bluff]

ignore my def fleet 🙂

pls ignore it, srsly actually ignore it

im just trolling

[vague token]

man too bad the vt-8 is like garbo

[zenith tundra]

hopefully they just remove it from the event with the hazemeyer and add actual gear

[sterile bluff]

guys

we are getting essex event

but still no warsword

cn is getting sword rn

my jealousy be like

[crude mortar]

what is the purpose of vt8 transform anyway

does 2nd torp hit hard?

or just baby damage

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Torpedo_Bombers#Max_Rarity

[crude mortar]

the 2nd strike 3 torp each plane

is it that bad

[zenith tundra]

2nd form is barely better then cuda

[crude mortar]

lmao

why it exists then

[zenith tundra]

so we can enjoy good stuff like cuda

[crude mortar]

hazemeyer 5 accuracy!!!11

[vague token]

oops there go 4

oh well was behind anyways xD

[ebon schooner]

[deep glacier]

Hi!

Does EN community has "nicknames" for the players in pvp?

I mean those related to their behavior, like "swordfishes" and "turtles"

[midnight heron]

theres only rusher and sandbagger

[deep glacier]

I see :c

[crude mortar]

welcome to the foodchain

you either sandbag or sandbag'd

pick1

[deep glacier]

Haha~ due to timezones before the last reset I give lots of extra points

so, sandbag'd I guess

[crude mortar]

cya next season

[ebon schooner]

what game do you play where behavior names are "swordfishes" and "turtles"

[crude mortar]

i done since I sleep x10 ticket

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

[deep glacier]

@ebon schooner I read those terms on the azure lane cn or jp wikis (i don't remember which) "swordfishes= extra points" "sharks= enemies you can't beat easly", "swordfishes=extra points" etc.

[ebon schooner]

[deep glacier]

I think those sound cool :c

[sour oasis]

I like rush and drag (anchor) personally.

[deep glacier]

Yeah, I like those too

but it seems I have a bad taste

btw english is not my native language (obviously), so sorry for the engurishu

[ebon schooner]

your english is fine

cant say the same about the other apes in this server

[deep glacier]

Haha~ thx

but sooner or later I'll say something unintelligible :v

[ripe latch]

[empty grove]

[potent brook]

[finite valve]

if anything have taught me over the year is that the ppl who admittedly said that english is not their first language always got better english than ppl who have english as their first language

make you think

[sour oasis]

Tryhards. Making pleebs look bad.

See? Tryhards mangle with their hands. As a damned ape (no one gets the reference) I just shot 'plebian' in half.

[red crane]

that's a two part thing

1. people who learn english as a first language are likely learning it by speaking first making learning the difference between "it's" and "its" and knowing to use "would have" instead of "would of" something that they have to learn because it's not something required to communicate verbally

2. i have the feeling that if you know how to use a language well enough, you know how to break the rules well enough to still get your point across to other native or long time speakers but with less typing effort

[deep glacier]

I started to learn english playing pokemon on gba

because where I live (third world country) we don't learn english in schools

I never had a formal teaching

[bleak osprey]

wao same, i learned english from pokemon leafgreen but this is not an appropriate topic for the channel

[deep glacier]

I have an abandoned duolingo account tho

You are right, sorry

[ripe latch]

[deep glacier]

I originally came here to ask about the viability of the hazemeyer for the vanguard (as an staag alternative) but I got my answer from the pinned messages in the azurlane pvp tierlist

but just to be sure

aside from ibuki, azuma and saint louis

is it usable on anyone else?

[ripe latch]

usable , but staag better . if u want put on vg - only optional , bec on high ranks fleets have lots of eva

[frail orbit]

Depends on ur enemies

Ur enemies being BB based
Then just dgaf anyway, also STAAG better for that hit

Ur enemies being Hooloo
Then just do standard shit pls
2 range AA

[deep glacier]

Well, the problem is that I only have 4 staag aa guns :c

At least is not BiS for Juneau, so only one of my vanguards will have to make do with quad bofors

[shy hazel]

where is your roomba

[deep glacier]

in my pvp comp

[shy hazel]

you cant make dmg if you dont hit it

[deep glacier]

only Juneau has one

[shy hazel]

4 stag 2 roombas

[deep glacier]

For some reason (maybe because I'm dumb or daltonic) I saw the quad bofors with green background x_x

[ripe latch]

@shy hazel Fairey Barracuda (831 Squadron) this for max crash dmg on triple cv ?

[shy hazel]

depends on the ship

[ripe latch]

[deep glacier]

I'll change to 4 staags and 2 roombas, thanks

[shy hazel]

normally it should have max crash but

if u using cowtitshms

not rly

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

why will u even 3cv

memeing?

[cerulean estuary]

use 3 cv when shangrila is available

for more essex class memes

[shy hazel]

essex bunkermeme shang

[frail orbit]

why will u even 3cv
HFC not even a meme ffs when the time comes by

[cerulean estuary]

in PVE though there are not bad

[ripe latch]

maybe triple cv better than trp team

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

id rather use that dumb french backline than 3cvs

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

Just pecobear thang smhw

[shy hazel]

DOES THIS WORK!?

meme

put video

[cerulean estuary]

i got a question ( just for fun and pvp related ) for you guys

who is the 1st nanoda / nanoda wannabe unit?

[frail orbit]

And who tf actually watch video

JUST DEW IT

[shy hazel]

closest to nanoda is what

that hms elite maid

[cerulean estuary]

yeah seems like it / closest

[shy hazel]

if its not shigure kai

[cerulean estuary]

annoying as a fly too

[shy hazel]

which is crap

[cerulean estuary]

i oathed 200 aff her for pvp purposes haha

[shy hazel]

my mindset is

if its dd and its not ykkz its worthless

in pvp

nearest can go is cl

that compare to ykkz

[cerulean estuary]

its not a CL

back in old days where there is no hms aurora yet and some didnt equip / know adv boilers

[ebon schooner]

Kamita and mango both dropped

[rocky shadow]

Is using ijn torp bomber good for enterprise in pvp

Cause ijn torp bomber is homing

[vague token]

it doesnt home

no magnetic properties, just aimed directly at a ship

but no prediction/leading the shot

[rocky shadow]

Ahh ok then i will keep use barracuda

[ripe latch]

damn

[ebon schooner]

not 120 richie

[empty grove]

Also not dev 30

Some weak shit

[shell heron]

Imagine not throwing cubes at PR

[zenith tundra]

and that positioning is trash too

[dull ledge]

is there a good comp with essex?

[upper sparrow]

Essex-enty-warkai, decent enough at least

Otherwise essex comp still a bit weak compared to other meta

[sterile bobcat]

Would Enty want rudder+beacon or rudder+avgas?

[upper sparrow]

Rudder+avgas

[dull ledge]

so essex is mostly pve?

[upper sparrow]

There is no need for her to beacon since she dont need any min-max timing

Yea essex specialization is on pve, her blue skill is not that good since pvp-meta nowaday more focused on BB

[vague token]

it's pretty rng anyways

12% X_x

[hot creek]

I use Essex Enty for w13 mobbing

sometimes I forget she exists

even though I have her maxed and oathed lol

she's a qt

[open peak]

which one to use when choose between gold catapult and oil tank?

[hot creek]

Neither. Standard pvp loadout for carriers is typically Rudder/Avgas.

[open peak]

nice advice, so I'll go with empty slot

[potent brook]

formidable useful in pvp?

[elder crane]

Typical 457 warkai doing 457 warkai things
In just 45 s
I should probably strip Monarch and Dork even harder
Maybe I'll even try Monarch/Georgia Warkai Ibuki Helena lv1-Avrora, see if I can't get that to work

@potent brook yep, mostly with Centaur, see pins

[blazing scroll]

@open peak For pvp you want oil tank over gold cata because EoS dmg

[prime panther]

is that ex?

[rocky shadow]

No one move

I have waiting like 5 hours

[edgy cypress]

👁️ 👁️

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/FY4aG/64ed307b66.png

[vague token]

kek

[rocky shadow]

Have you try keep restart the battle?

[coral wren]

these names

[noble sphinx]

How do i counter enty juneau and yuki without having warkai ?

[round dome]

Basically any BB with gold twin 381 or 406skc is a counter to enty to some extent. And you don't really counter Juneau cuz she's there for the heal, there are chances to kill her before the rest of enemy fleet takes damage but not really reliable, the most simple solution is to join them and use Juneau too. And if you really want to get rid of yuki fast, use Aurora, just don't forget that she's frail.

[ripe latch]

any trp team

[noble sphinx]

My go-to strat is using JB and richlieu to blowup the vanguard and gang up on the backline, but its quite random

[upper sparrow]

Relying on JB rng to hit enemy vg is very painful tbh, i already test her for a full one season kek

Maybe still okay for encountering memes fleet, but for defeating proper meta fleet, well to ur winrate

[shell heron]

nope, I'm too far behind where I should be. still 7 behind a normal season for me

but seeing as I dropped 3 early. decent recovery

[zenith tundra]

i lost one and famine is already 2 ahead

nice how 3 early behind is almost same as 1 late season

are people even rushing

[ripe latch]

[royal oyster]

can confirm that no one rushes on lexington

[zenith tundra]

1 point off and seems like he's out of attempts since he hasn't moved

[viscid elm]

PvP Bois is Rossiya gid for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think she is good, maybe usable if u don't have anything better

[viscid elm]

Flagship - hood,amagi, Rossiya?, Richelieu?

Which 1 better?

[ebon schooner]

Richie

[mint hornet]

GL on the eos placements. Enjoy some +1 or 2 points

[ebon schooner]

Thank you I did

[zenith tundra]

i could rush to 2 and still get it. dead server

[shell heron]

I should have rolled for a better list last reset

[zenith tundra]

no one moved in mine. i'll just get the free title

[sour oasis]

I just need a +1 for free title

[frail orbit]

FEEECCCKKKK I LOST 5 TIX

RIP

CYA NEXT SEASON

[crude mortar]

EVERY SEASON IS CYA NEXT SEASON

[narrow meadow]

for me every first 15 exercises is cya next season

[balmy furnace]

EVERY SEASON IS CYA NEXT SEASON
it hurts

[empty grove]

||Just don't drop matches||

[ebon schooner]

[shy hazel]

ppl corrupted by vtubers

wait

why are there alrdy rankings posted

2 days before season end

[cinder crater]

JB in pvp is pretty wild
She once oneshot an enemy Neptune without even proccing the heal

[shy hazel]

yes so wild that happens in 1 out of 50 matches

[cinder crater]

I only need to restart 2 times max to get her to blow up enemy vanguard

[shy hazel]

needing to use 2 resets on normal fleets is a redflag

but wtv

memer can always meme np

[frail orbit]

RNG meme ffs

[vestal compass]

Hey, if im trying to max out both Azuma and FDG for PVP, which do i focus on first? Or do i try to get both to DEV20 together?

[cinder crater]

Who's the worst PR for pvp

Azuma is better for pvp imo, FdG has more alternatives

[vestal compass]

Mm I see, i just think that Dev20 spike for FDG looks better than Azuma at Dev20.

Tyvm.

[cinder crater]

Also worthy of note is that FdG needs dev30 a lot more than azuma, since azuma is top tier at dev25 but FdG isnt really there yet

[vestal compass]

Hmm, so i get Azuma to dev25, then focus on FDG to 30?

[upper sparrow]

Even hiryuu kai is much better than fdg-non dev30

[coral wren]

is the pvp tier list updated?

[sour oasis]

If you drop matches, drop them at the start. It's easier to catch up than losing them in week 2.

We have a PvP tier?

[zenith tundra]

as good as azuma is past dev 25 she doesn't change much. fdg needs dev 30 so i would max fdg 1st. even if u can use other stuff fdg is still best tank for ws 457 and can carry

[ripe latch]

seems need rush for top10 again

[mint hornet]

tier list is in the pinned posts google doc. @sour oasis

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466250908682944522/723757917798400050/image0.png I hope we get Hakuryuu, for the Hanamagi meta cancer of the ages

[humble geyser]

@light crystal ummm where is that from?

A live stream or like twitter post?

[light crystal]

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1273315724002549762 the little EN Q&A

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

Dear Commander,

HQ has read all the questions you have submitted about Azur Lane and the operation team. Our staff, Nozokana will answer them in this video. Also, check our Youtube channel for the full length Q&A.

Full HD version: https://t.co/lRQDKWe7Or

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[humble geyser]

oh nooooo
thanks

[vague token]

pr3 cv
story shinano

need another heavy armor cv for ijn

unless they make her support to mimic irl

finally hit dev 25 azuma though, that 900 hp sure is great

[ripe latch]

cv with 8.5k hp

[vague token]

support cv with 9.5k hp maybe

[ripe latch]

[digital prism]

anyone try full 120 french fleet in pvp?

[sour oasis]

@mint hornet hm. I thought those were a collection of common meta compositions (versus individual ship reviews)

[mint hornet]

There's a page that rates individual ships with a short snippet by the documents creators. 'ship analysis'

[ebon schooner]

i look forward to once this season ends

[shy hazel]

super yamato ships

[ripe latch]

not enough +3 to aotn

sandnbang time

[sour oasis]

I really need to try an all rushing season without sleeping through tickets. Pretty sure it's possible to still AotN by this time.

[ripe latch]

do not leave attempts before sleep, this enough

[sour oasis]

I don't remember what it's like to sleep with 0/10 any more

[shy hazel]

still young

once you dont remember the last time you missed a ticket

that means u a certified sandbagger

[ripe latch]

[ebon schooner]

[past egret]

@shy hazel A-150 ships would be the end of times for the meta

Unless like in WoWs they give them ungodly spread and accuracy that makes them miss 50% of all shots

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra if sandbang , really can get aotn with 1 lose?

[zenith tundra]

sure

[ripe latch]

think around 5-10min

[zenith tundra]

i lost once and got it 1st reset possible

this season

if u sandbag all the time u can even with 6+ attempts lost

[shell heron]

you can even get away with 3 even. Although the earlier you lose, the better

seeing as my early 3 losses is about the same as one loss now

[zenith tundra]

3 attempts very early seems same as 1 after 1900+

[shell heron]

I'm too behind to get EoS this time. Gensui bonus wasn't enough

Guess I'll rush tomorrow so if you catch me tonight. should be easy +2

[ebon schooner]

Gensui rush this season was garbage

[vague token]

double the gun farm, double the lack of rushers

[empty grove]

Farming

[simple basalt]

THAT FEEL WHEN YOURE AT 12 FOR GENSUI.

Is it still possible to get sub 10 if I rush 6 hours from now?

[ripe latch]

6 attempts - get all 6 misses from ws kai skill

think p2w

[hot creek]

@simple basalt might as well try

[empty grove]

[ionic magnet]

got terrible rush so i just gave up this season

[sweet thistle]

Evening fellow meme lords 🙂

[sterile bluff]

oh no

the invasion has begun

[hot creek]

Never give up.

If you were on Sandy, you could still r1 eos even after one game down

Ive done that at least twice before

[zenith tundra]

(2-8 ) 5-5 with proper gear

18-2

i'll test richy jb plus ws amagi or fdg corcuriosity

i'll redo full french. i had sg on gascogne instead of rudder with hpfcr

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra any idea what wrong with this fleet?
sheffie ihr + pearl , double boiler juneau and think ihr + boiler on yuki