pvp

[red crane]

can't get fdg for a very similar reason

[karmic forum]

I'm interested on seeing how the FDG/Ws/Richy comp fares against the meta

Testing is slow I guess but it will get there eventually

[zenith tundra]

so far i only reset once vs namagi fdg with torp memes when my juneau insta died and got barraged twice by nagato

with that comp

[karmic forum]

Seems like faction synergy is slowly but surely diminishing in importance

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is a non issue with ws fdg focus proccing hiryuu in 17s

[karmic forum]

You just run the best 6 ships and that could be the best comp.

Until they release one of the big ones

[zenith tundra]

that's because ws and fdg are broken

[red crane]

what's the best comp rn in your opinion?

[karmic forum]

And when they make a 3rd broken backliner, that will be the best comp.

[zenith tundra]

overall namagi fdg seems like best possible comp

[red crane]

no ws?

what would you say the best non nagato, azuma, and fdg comp is?

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws losses to focused dmg. ws fdg comp lose to namagi fdg in case of opponent nagato going wild. namagi fdg doesn't suffer against any team just bad rng in mirror

wfc maybe

limiting to non nagato and fdg is a bit of a problem tbh

[red crane]

im sorry i started during divergent chessboard and only got graf

[glacial shuttle]

Azuma gear was Azumagun + 138 + STAAG + Gyroscope + Rudder?

[zenith tundra]

amagi hiryuu ws seems also an option for now but fdg is much more reliable imo then hiryuu

[red crane]

that's p much what i was aiming for

with also monarch as an option to test it with

and jun, yuki, nosh frontline

at least i can be flexible on placement

yeah cause grinding 3.6 mil xp with just graf sounds like hell

not to mention gettign the tech points

im not even halfway

[vague token]

faction buffs shouldnt be promoted in this game personally

AL is about bringing everyone together

in the theme

thus rewarding the theme should be stronger than using a pure faction

[zenith tundra]

i would pick buff based comps over broken ships spam in pvp tho

[vague token]

i mean there's nothing wrong with buffs

but they should be focusing on stuff that isnt faction buffs

eg formidable

or works globally, eg centaur

[hollow maple]

but we do have alot of ships that works globally though

[zenith tundra]

formie is not a buff tho unless u mean dr buff that is pretty minor

[vague token]

no i mean the slow

za warudo part

a way to make teamwork without boosting 1 faction's stats

and thus make interesting comps

[hollow maple]

there are alot of ships like that though

helena for example

[vague token]

yeah, but they arent enough to fight the gigantic stat sticks

[zenith tundra]

it's literally just a slow not a buff and doesn't even work with majority of bb anyway

[vague token]

all the tricks and skills in the world crumble before stats

eg dragon ball rules

biggest numbers win

[hollow maple]

you are asking to make nagato but buffs are not faction limited

[vague token]

how about half buff for non-faction

or reduce the faction component

more timing based mechanics

[zenith tundra]

how about non faction get debuffed instead

[vague token]

new weapons for synergy

that is anti AL's theme

and promotes pure comp even harder

even if it isnt as strong

it pushes you towards pure faction

[hollow maple]

i doubt w13 even forces you to go full faction direction

[zenith tundra]

that would eliminate faction buff in a way or another tho

[vague token]

i mean, that's good then

[zenith tundra]

pve is

[hollow maple]

yea pve is easy

synergy doesnt matter

much

[vague token]

pve is lel still yeah

[zenith tundra]

ws richy fdg doesn't rely on buffs. everyone just buff herself

[vague token]

honestly they should focus more on situational adjustments

like swiftsure/le malin/etc

things that are less static

[zenith tundra]

none of those are good for pvp tho

[vague token]

i mean, we can make them good with better targeting rules

eg indirectly nerf speed vs vg guns

or how about guns with more projectile speed

xD

or guns that work more like pve enemy guns

there's a lot of space for weapons to change things up

grenades and stuff too

[red crane]

pvp characters in al rn

main:
long pr grind with event locked ships
event locked ship
event locked ship
event locked retrofit
always obtainable ship + retro

vanguard:
jesus
always obtainable dd
always obtainable cl
long pr grind
event locked ship

at least it's not hard to build a good frontline yet

[hollow maple]

whos jesus

[red crane]

juneau

[hollow maple]

ohhh

[vague token]

oh no they took away juneau dead

[red crane]

juneau dead dead

but yeah, this is why i've been running hms before i got amagi

[hot creek]

Who's the "always obtainable CL"

[red crane]

is it ca?

belfast

[hot creek]

Oh lol.

[red crane]

but i think people are replacing her

[hot creek]

I think Helena competes for that slot now. As far as always being obtainable and viable.

[red crane]

how does helena retro comapre to bel

[crude mortar]

bel

[hot creek]

Well, Belfast isn't really that great in the first place she's just tanky.

[red crane]

helena has betetr aa, but no torps, more accuracy, btu worse luck

[past egret]

How good is sovetskaya barrage

When used as flag

[red crane]

belfast has smokecreen though

[hot creek]

smoke screen doesnt do much.

[past egret]

Helena is for WS timing now isn’t she

[vague token]

smoke only works on the first nagato barrage

[hot creek]

Anyways, Helena can activate her skill at 16s and line up with BB's and barrage now. Had to reset the other day after one of my backline got sniped early.

[vague token]

assuming you're actually in it

[past egret]

And Belfast fell off

[crude mortar]

they stop update pvp for 2 year already

deadgame

[past egret]

@crude mortar wdym it’s PvE

PvP implies we can actually fight other people not AI fleets

[crude mortar]

there were update

[red crane]

melee hasn't been updated in almost 20 years and people still play it

and we get new ships

soudns like we get updates

[crude mortar]

but this game is waifu ship game made by chinese

it free2play game

no bitching

[hot creek]

You can't really compare this game to Melee. Melee is relatively balanced in the first place.

[vague token]

al should do surveys like honkai xD

[red crane]

i'd say melee and azur lane have roughly the same amount of viable characters/comps

[past egret]

Melee?

What that

[hot creek]

You could say if it was before Amagi era.

[red crane]

the best game

ever

[past egret]

Full name?

[hot creek]

Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo Gamecube

[red crane]

super smash bros

[past egret]

Ah

I didn’t consider that as an option

I thought we were talking about gacha’s

[crude mortar]

compare super smash bro to azur lane

[red crane]

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[past egret]

AL should do a LoL style of patch updates to ships with buffs and nerfs to open up competitive pvp

[red crane]

i agree

[past egret]

I think a few ships need some

Fine tuning

[crude mortar]

it waifu game

[red crane]

nagato shouldn't be mandatory to have a good fleet

[past egret]

Certain few

Individuals

[hollow maple]

they are gonna tune old ships according to live stream

[past egret]

Nagato is old ship

[crude mortar]

[past egret]

improves barrage in pvp

[red crane]

legit why do you care abotu balance if you see it as "just a waifu game"

[hollow maple]

makes barrage hit rate 100% in pvp

[red crane]

it won't affect yo

[past egret]

@crude mortar it’s a waifu game with the capability of being more

But devs don’t chase it for some reason

[crude mortar]

they create an opportunity to use doesn't mean they will use it

[hollow maple]

i mean gacha waifu games work like that , its not meant to be balanced

[red crane]

i'm 50/50 on them just being a troll

[crude mortar]

they aren't being a troll

[hollow maple]

if they balance gacha games no one will whale for powercreep upcoming ships

which will ruin their business

[crude mortar]

do you even need to whale for ship in azur lane??

[vague token]

i mean that's why you let them be op for a bit

then nerf after ;)))

[crude mortar]

[red crane]

buff for skins

[crude mortar]

skin increase stat

[past egret]

Pull the League of legends tactic

Buff when skins coming out

[crude mortar]

wearing bikini deal more dmg

[past egret]

Nerf when other skins coming out

Repeat

[hollow maple]

lol

[red crane]

kanzaki, what other games do you play might i ask

[crude mortar]

dota2 lol at top100

[red crane]

x

[crude mortar]

lol top50 na server 2012(higher rank than faker)

[red crane]

x

[crude mortar]

dota 6600 mmr 2014(top50)

[past egret]

2012

[crude mortar]

ez

I quit LoL for dota

[past egret]

Lol is so annoying now

Be careful btw

[hot creek]

Before Amagi, we had classic HMS (jp had option of using Monarch/Centaur), Sodakshington USS and Foxes (jp had Nakaga). Three factions relatively balanced and well represented. These days IJN is pretty much dominant with HMS being an ok option while USS is laughing stock . And trying to use KMS just makes you want to KMS.

[past egret]

This is off topic

[crude mortar]

^

[past egret]

Mod might flag u guys

[crude mortar]

i just answer im not starting the convo

[vague token]

i mean eagles have been falling further and further behind xD

[crude mortar]

the problem about azur lane is it waifu game

[vague token]

almost no team skills

[red crane]

man, i wanna run eagles cause it's hwat i started with

[vague token]

cv focus

[red crane]

but they're so garbo

are any of them good outside of juneau

[crude mortar]

once you realize how chaos intrepid skill is

[past egret]

I agree with the KMS line! Recording 40 minutes of footage to get 2 wins against a meta fleet is not fun.

[crude mortar]

you'll know they dont give a single shit

[hollow maple]

[vague token]

like there's been really good vgs though

but vg is fixed

[crude mortar]

dive bomber that DEBUFF BATTLESHIP

[past egret]

America CV meme though

[vague token]

bremerton and baltimore are really strong dps

[past egret]

[vague token]

but dps isnt rewarded in pvp

[crude mortar]

its rewarded if its high enough

[past egret]

Sara Kai essex enty Helena Balti Juneau

[crude mortar]

what do you mean

[past egret]

🛫

[red crane]

vg meta needs to be fixed so the only offensive fleet isn't torp meme

[past egret]

🛩️

[vague token]

dps is something over like late boss hp

[vague token]

eg baltimore/bremerton have the time to use their damage

[past egret]

My Baltimore gets obliterated

[hollow maple]

add noshiro there too

[past egret]

What am I doing wrong

[vague token]

there's not enough time before the crumble to the heavy burst currently xD

[zenith tundra]

using a ca in pvp. that's what's wrong

[red crane]

man, fdg is a pain in the ass

esp knowing i can't go for it until i get a german rerun

[past egret]

@zenith tundra hey have you tested at all with Sovetskaya

[zenith tundra]

not 120 yet LOL

[hollow maple]

mines not even mlb lol

[past egret]

About to be 120

Gonna try Amagi gangut Sovetskaya Tash Chap Juneau

[zenith tundra]

113 mine and never found a good use for her tbh

[past egret]

Pretty sure the results will be 50 resets and 1 win but wanted to try it anyways

[red crane]

so i started playing in early december

i can't get fdg

[past egret]

We get Bismarck rerun in upcoming reruns so look forward to that

For fdg grinding

[hollow maple]

looking forward to save cubes during that event for ISSS

[crude mortar]

i once said

[empty grove]

[crude mortar]

just add nagato to pvp shop

and we done

[ebon schooner]

oh shimarin is on my list

[red crane]

if nagato were easy to get, pvp would be nagato and hms loyalists

[zenith tundra]

4 attempts in 3 min doable

forgot to do pvp

[past egret]

Perfect vanguard wipes and RNG luck sure

[fiery flame]

Hi, i have a question about sandbagging
When you don't drop below top 1k being between 5-10 passes, it is worth to go to 0-5 passes for the extra safety or you don't get as much opportunities at 11 pts wins than staying at 5-10 passes ?

[empty grove]

If you spam refresh ye

[past egret]

Iris libre role

Fancy

[zenith tundra]

got 3 low level fleets in a row and no -1 lol

[past egret]

What’s your fleet just curious @fiery flame

[crude mortar]

how behind am I?

[empty grove]

Very

I missed 3 matches

[crude mortar]

but I sleep on first day

and didn't bag f irst 2day

[red crane]

i'm busing leveling my new fleet still

[crude mortar]

cuz slee

p

[fiery flame]

i am using namaryuu with helena retro timed with nagato barrage

so nagato barrage obliterates eveything

[past egret]

Ah, I thought you might of had a French ship in there somewhere because of the role

[fiery flame]

i use Saint louis oathed don't worry 🙂

[empty grove]

Imagine missing attempts due to sleep

||||

[crude mortar]

I didn't miss

[zenith tundra]

1303 is only 15 behind my 2607 score in jp

[past egret]

Imagine not account sharing for max pvp and research gains

[crude mortar]

but I didn't bag

[hot creek]

@fiery flame if you've been doing well with points and not missing matches then going past five matches every reset will eventually start impacting your score especially towards the end of the season. However there are good reason to go past 5/10 like if you expect to sleep in. Or expect to be busy you can't do pvps normally.

[zenith tundra]

u already recovered 1 and half attempt

[crude mortar]

first 2 day bag like x6

[empty grove]

Boi I wouldn't let anyone touch my account

[crude mortar]

me too I dont have ntr fetish

[obsidian kite]

BELLI DURA

[past egret]

Isn’t there someone here with a shared account

They did it for research

[crude mortar]

^

[empty grove]

I wouldn't say shared

[fiery flame]

ok thanks, i will stay 5/10 as much as i can, last season i tried hard for the first time i only got the top 50 rank, i am trying to get the top 10 one this time

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

so pointless to do it for research

[empty grove]

Just do what me & phoenix did

& sleep in 2 hour intervals

[zenith tundra]

i totally agree with kurumi. i wouldn't let anyone touch my account

[vague token]

lel

[crude mortar]

ultimate sandbagger sleep every 2 hour

these no life nerd

[past egret]

Ultimate bagger takes sleep pills and don’t sleep

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

An ultimate sandbagger doesn't miss matches

[past egret]

Where’s the hooloo sandbag meme

[fiery flame]

ultimate sandbagger knows the sleep pattern of everyone in the server and refresh to get the ones who will do their pass next

[empty grove]

Nah

Just have personal contact with everyone

& collusion your way

EZ

[ebon schooner]

^

[empty grove]

Ohh

I remembered Ryouya now

[hot creek]

I honestly could collude so hard in pvp now since I see so many guild members lol

but I never ask

[crude mortar]

they should just

[empty grove]

I wouldn't ask either

[crude mortar]

remove 20% pvp reduction

and add option to pvp with friend

easier to test shit

and set defend fleet

[granite flame]

but

that would be a pvp based update

so therefor itll never happen.

[fiery flame]

Never knew there was collusion, will i get top 10

[granite flame]

[empty grove]

If you don't sleep ye

[granite flame]

first time ive even heard of collusion tactic

what is it

[hot creek]

collusion isn't actually much of a thing.

[empty grove]

We're just memeing it

It'd be like

"Ohh you're on my list, can you move" as an example

[fiery flame]

i know lol, even if you see someone you know and DM him to do his run, ppretty sure he won't 😂

[empty grove]

They might if they dropped matches

cough

[granite flame]

I would, if i ever get found, ive failed as a bagger, i must become rusher to expel my shame for the rest of the season

[crude mortar]

many people dont give a shit once they got aotn

not everyone care about end of the season

[granite flame]

if they have a chance at rank 1 end of season they might care

[empty grove]

Max effective merit is to push gensui as much as you can

[granite flame]

just to look cool

[empty grove]

& get as many matches while there

EOS top is just flex

[fiery flame]

is there even a "end of season" ranking ? i thought it straight up refreshes for next season

[crude mortar]

wait last min

and check

they tryhard

they had no life

[granite flame]

^

lots of rank shifts in top 5 at final minute lol

gotta be quick to refresh app

[crude mortar]

they already reach the point of no return

[granite flame]

or maybe they are bagging experts

[empty grove]

The point of no return was starting this game in general

[hot creek]

you don't get anything for EoS. Only some clout with other people who do EoS as well, thats it.

[granite flame]

LOL

[empty grove]

I sandbag out of habit now

Rushing makes me feel dirty

[granite flame]

yea devs said they cant give out rewards for top 100 or ranks in general that isnt merit, (ex cubes, gold, etc) because itd make the game p2w

[empty grove]

P2W

[crude mortar]

kekeke

[granite flame]

[empty grove]

Can already whale on cubes/coins

[vague token]

how is it p2w?

[empty grove]

[vague token]

xD

[granite flame]

was in old dev video

[fiery flame]

isn't oath p2w ?

[granite flame]

no

not video

response

oops

[empty grove]

If you consider like

5% P2W

5% aint gonna save you from bad barrage RNG

[hot creek]

lol it wouldnt be p2w. You just have to be there to get certain event ships. Oh, and timezone.

[empty grove]

Move country for timezone

[vague token]

al is like the least p2w gacha ive played

[fiery flame]

I guess the more p2w it could get is mass spamming research with cubes for rainbow guns and Azuma + FdG

[raven imp]

Oath 200 affinity is 12%, regular 100 affinity is 6%, modifying base stats only (not including gear or tech point bonuses). Not a big enough deal to be P2W.

[vague token]

going from 1.06 to 1.12 is like super small xD

[red crane]

pvp debuff alone covers that

[empty grove]

I call P2W on phoenix's 457 drop rate

[zenith tundra]

it's a 5.66% stat increase over just maxed affection

[empty grove]

He knows the devs irl

[vague token]

phoenix omega tier whale

[hot creek]

FDG isn't that much of a gamechanger imo, and Azuma can be used at like dev20. The only thing from research that should be worring is 457 but you don't even have to whale for that, just have high research uptime and get lucky.

[empty grove]

My research never goes down

still on 40/50

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 35/50 on 2nd

[empty grove]

Damn JP flex

[zenith tundra]

i think u might be really unlucky

[empty grove]

Tbf

I did almost exclusively do cube research

Overall i'd say my gun luck is average

[hot creek]

I'm at 15/50, I'll catch up to him soon enough

[empty grove]

This lad tho

Some supa sacc shit

[fiery flame]

i am at 10/50 on 1st, rumors is there will regular rainbow guns before I get the research one

[zenith tundra]

how do u do that. every time i get a cube research next is shit research list where i have to choose in between 2.3hr and 4hr

[empty grove]

Idk

One day I did like 14 1h

Ohh

I had a rainbow azuma research after getting them both to Dev 30

& it gave me one BP

[zenith tundra]

my list rn is 2 pr 1 research and 1 2.3hr and 2 5hr. lucky one was azuma

[empty grove]

I was being lazy today

So just took this

It's a pain in the ass constantly going to home screen for comms/research

[zenith tundra]

i'd take those for equip tbh. i feel like i need to push 457 more then dr

[empty grove]

Yeah

I've been getting a decent amount of DR while going for gun

It'll get there eventually

[fiery flame]

Mind to share a bit ?

[empty grove]

Those cog ships

They log everything you delete anyway

[zenith tundra]

i know but it's safer that way

[ebon schooner]

nice knowing you

enjoy your ban

[hot creek]

damn, what I miss? Did someone start talking about barrages again?

[empty grove]

You said the forbidden word

Rip

[vague token]

which one the L one? xD

[empty grove]

The B one

[past egret]

[karmic lake]

[shy hazel]

bull****?

or female

[ebon schooner]

female

hmm, season is kinda slowing down for me

[lusty trellis]

Is this servicable as a PvP fleet ? ^^'

Kinda wanted to build a fleet with as many french ships to profit from Richelieus buff.
I am not sure, if Algerie is enough as a main tank though (then again she has Rich and JdA buffs)
At first I intended to use Noshiro as my Main Tank, put JdA in the middle and replace Tashkent 😅

[upper sparrow]

Replace jean bart with warkai, also replace algerie & tash with nanoda&juneau

There we go with french meta fleet

[lusty trellis]

why not replace Centaur with Hiryuu Kai too then oh and replace Richelieu with Nagato and JdA with Ayaya Kai 😂

[past egret]

Keep doing you don’t fall to meta slavery unless you really give a shit about pvp

[zenith tundra]

casual pvp is just farming xp in pvp. u don't need comps for that

if u aim for top 10 rank reward u need a comp at least able to rush 5 attempts without resetting 10 times

[shell heron]

at the very least. casual pvp just want merit so fight anyone that looks easy

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure actual casual pvp is just xp farm. people that don't really need merit anyway

i've seen quite a bit of people in gph like that

[shell heron]

merit shop has almost nothing people want after their first eld/sodak

maybe the occasional purin if needed

[zenith tundra]

forgot albacore

[shell heron]

did I now

[zenith tundra]

albacore is more useful then eldridge anyway

maybe even sd if u have good bb already

[red crane]

im casual pvping so i can real pvp

[vague token]

guild pvp when ;)))

[ebon schooner]

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

duels sound great

makes testing easier

[sour oasis]

Yes, but they can't have non-guild related rewards. Because alt abuse.

[vague token]

or just put cooldowns

doesnt matter if you have 100 alts then

make it like a weekly

xD

[proper sorrel]

doesn't need winrewards

[crude mortar]

[sterile bluff]

oathed but didn't rename except hiryuu

what a legend

[karmic forum]

Oathing to remove "(retrofit)" is standard practice

[elder crane]

Team should be awful on defense

on average weaker, and doesn't powerspike at all

nice and consistent for offense though

[crude mortar]

warspite also rename

[light crystal]

Boys, how popular is VH Armor Amagi?

[vague token]

not very, armor hiryuu is more reliable

[light crystal]

Hmm, need a bigger consensus here. I guess it's reliant on wut ur running at the time, more than anything

Like, if ur running Amagi outside Nagato core, then u probably do put it on her

[empty grove]

5 minutes for 4 matches huh

Ohh well

back to farming

[ebon schooner]

if only you had a 457

[empty grove]

Meh

If I cried about RNG I would have quit during Jintsuu farm

[inner zenith]

i almost forgot about pvp

[ebon schooner]

[inner zenith]

||again||

[karmic forum]

I missed one run

[shell heron]

for missing 3 matches. I'm back to 1400 10/10

I might still recover

[karmic forum]

gambatte cay-chan

[narrow obsidian]

My god is pvp annoying, a literal coin flip

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

im at 1420 9/10 so you caught up a lot

where you getting all those bonuses

[zenith tundra]

i'm not getting any bonuses either 1413 10/10

[elder crane]

It's ready!

[inner zenith]

[empty grove]

1400 huh

I'm on 1406

Maybe if I get lucky enough

[magic storm]

Is a backline with Nagato and Richelieu viable? I don't have Amagi or any of the PR ship yet so I don't know who I should use with them

[vague token]

i think ill just be stuck 3 behind zack this entire thing xD

[zenith tundra]

seems terrible to me considering i don't play a reset at all

[vague token]

rng is rng

[red crane]

Grinding in pvp and the rest of the comp has a long way to go

[shell heron]

wait. 1406?

did you do those matches afterall?

[karmic forum]

omega sandbagger

[red crane]

im rushing and at 1416 rn

"rushing"

[zenith tundra]

how many attempts left?

[red crane]

0

im mainly going for xp rn

[ebon schooner]

last reset

i finally got my bonus at the last 8mins

[sterile bobcat]

How good exactly is Richy in PvP?

[vague token]

good at minimum

probably not meta though

[blazing scroll]

Who cares about meta anyway

[smoky elk]

building full French fleet for pvp still a hypothesis

[shell heron]

Richelieu is still on the table for testing. Even full French main fleet sounds meme

[sharp obsidian]

Whoa! How are some folks already building 457s? I’m only at 23/50 and my research is running nonstop 😮

Which ones are you guys doing to get so many BPs?

[light crystal]

Had to reset once, cuz last alive on my side were a Nagato at less than 50%, Noshiro at 10%, and WK at 20%, while enemy WK was at 70%. His Owarida proc'd always, and couldn't finish Enty off. On retry however, Enty eats 3 torps and gets finished off by WK on first salvo. Fucking great

[untold wyvern]

Is rudder here pointless? Like since the enemies usually have high luck the eva from rudder wouldn’t help much, or am I misunderstanding it

[hot creek]

Its the opposite of what you're thinking. Rudder helps immensely here, unlike in pve.

[untold wyvern]

:o

[hot creek]

Specifically when used on backliners.

[untold wyvern]

I see

[hot creek]

CL/CA and CB get major benefit from it too but aux slots are competitive for VG

[untold wyvern]

That explains it,, ty

[coral wren]

does hazemeyer just act as "weaker staag" or am i not understanding something

[hot creek]

correct.

[coral wren]

thankiew time to +10

[glacial shuttle]

can I replace YKKZ STAAG with a Bofors?

[hot creek]

Yeah, I have mine hold UFO personally

[coral wren]

hold a what

[hot creek]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_113mm_(4.5"/45_QF_Mk_I)#Type_3

[coral wren]

thats called a roomba

[ebon schooner]

this list is quite helpful

[karmic lake]

So err hu using StellaP account?

[zenith tundra]

babysitting it yes

[karmic lake]

Nice

Yes u were asking?

[zenith tundra]

let's not off-topic here... mods are too annoying

[karmic lake]

LMAO

[blazing scroll]

I'm still enjoying my own meta

[crude mortar]

[inner zenith]

[sterile bobcat]

Does Richy/Enty/Hiryuu + Yukikaze/Sanrui/Juneau sound like a decent fleet?

[lament lichen]

Depends on what you mean by decent but imo it doesnt seem that great

[past egret]

Replace Enty with Amagi

[zenith tundra]

then replace richelieu with ws

[ripe latch]

[round dome]

@zenith tundra alright, I'm back, did like 40 test fights against various metas (some are not perfectly fitted tho), the equipment is as the pic, Richy flagship btw, the app is kind of confusing

[zenith tundra]

is nepgun better? i only use seattle tbh

what i use different is no 2nd 457 so triple 381 on fdg and hpfcr on ws instead of fdg and sg on fdg. also rudder on azuma instead of armor and twin 100 on yuki

[lament lichen]

oh someone else who uses the armor on azuma

[zenith tundra]

i still need to use azuma tank for random ibuki noshiro comps so armor is detrimental tbh

[still minnow]

should I use sheffy or jeanne

jeanne only has 24 speed and it's scaring me

[round dome]

Straight to conclusion: this comp definitely works, in all the test fights, only one lose but due to extreme RNG, it works well against basically all the metas. The problem is, I don't see Richy being extremely valuable tbh, I mean usually it's just ws and fdg killing everything and Richy is not doing a lot, probably a little more damage as amagi, and the preload rarely hits vanguards cuz speed meme... Overall I think amagi is still better but using Richy still allows you to crush all metas.

About the aux gun, usually I use Seattle gun when defense and nep gun for offense, cuz usually both fleets' vanguards will fight just within the offense side BB aux gun's range, so with seattle gun's shell velocity, it's a little harder to hit the enemy vanguards than nep gun. And when the defense fleet BBs starts to fire aux gun, it usually means the defense vanguards are all dead and they are very close, just theory tho, in practice the difference is rather small.
And yeah, no meta in CN is torp meme, so VH on azuma, and enemy fleets with torp meme will be crushed anyway so it doesn't matter if azuma dies to preload torps instantly

[zenith tundra]

the one problem i would have is yukikaze stalling u forever because u lose all vg dmg

when azuma dies

[round dome]

Emmm, it doesn't occur very often for me... Usually my yuki just live longer than enemy yuki... I mean shouldn't the 3 BB aux gun kill enemy Yuki pretty fast?

[red crane]

ok so with juneau, yuki, nosh frontline who should i slap pearl on?

[zenith tundra]

it should but sometimes opponent yukikaze never gets closer to my bb

i got stalled once 1:45 by a yukikaze alone after everyone else was dead

[round dome]

Maybe you should try nep gun aux? I actually don't use Seattle gun a lot in offense so not sure about how it works against yuki

@red crane who is tank? Noshiro? If so, give pearl to her I guess

[red crane]

i currently have juneau be tank

[zenith tundra]

what usually happens is opponent yukikaze just stopping in my bb seattle gun range and getting deleted

[red crane]

my issue with my comp is im just kinda slapping a bunch of units together that cna be placed p much anywhere

[red crane]

and i don't know what im doing well enoguh yet to take advantage of the flexibility

[round dome]

@red crane well if you really want to use Juneau as tank, give pearl to her then, I guess...

[red crane]

i really don't care who i have tank ngl

i just wanna know what'd be best

[round dome]

Idk about your setups so maybe just use noshiro to tank and give her the pearl I guess.

[zenith tundra]

i'm not entirely sure amagi is better then richy without a 2nd 457. i feel like her extra dmg is better then more defense

[red crane]

btw my backline is amagi, ws, and hiryuu

[karmic forum]

I get the yuki thing. Sometimes it comes down to yuki v yuki and they take forever to die

[round dome]

Oh without second 457... Then idk neither

[red crane]

so AmaWaryuu ig

[round dome]

Don't have nagato?

[red crane]

nope

otherwise iw ould be runnign that

[round dome]

Alright, then IMO noshiro tank, with pearl and rudder, Juneau with double boiler and yuki with fire extinguisher and boiler

[zenith tundra]

is noshiro used at all in cn meta?

[red crane]

not anti torp?

for juneau?

[round dome]

Torp meme is weak anyway

[zenith tundra]

en meta hasn't still shifted to azuma tbh. not that many around tbh

[karmic forum]

Most people don't even have her at dev 25 yet

[round dome]

@zenith tundra not at all, she can't compete with azuma, Juneau and yuki according to the testers

[zenith tundra]

torp are very common and people who don't use optimized backlines can run into trouble with bad rng

[red crane]

i don't even have her yet

close though

im at 89% on second half

but it will take a while for ehr to be worth using over nosh or yuki

[zenith tundra]

that's what i think about noshiro in jp. she doesn't seem impactful and can't even stall like azuma/yukikaze

[red crane]

mainly using her cause it gives me 4 ijn

[zenith tundra]

it's mainly difference in meta in between en and cn/jp. if u had maxed or almost maxed azuma u wouldn't use noshiro in en too

[red crane]

oh yeah def

starting last december also plays a factor

i didn't even have "get azuma online" on my radar ntil last month

[round dome]

You can go with her now, no problem at all, until your azuma is ready, cuz other options are even worse, like nep or sanrui, who can't proc amagi's 4 IJN buff

[red crane]

yeah

my comp is literally just the best things i have slapped together

and i both love and hate it

[zenith tundra]

have u tried at all with saint louis instead of azuma? using new ca gun

from what i've seen is less consistent then azuma but sometimes can clear much faster vg

[red crane]

how is gascogne in pvp

[zenith tundra]

nothing going for her in pvp tbh

[red crane]

yeah just looked at her and oof

[zenith tundra]

barrage is too swallow and she doesn't have preload like jb. also can't use improved aim in pvp

[red crane]

stats are nice

[round dome]

Not with new CA gun, but I don't think she can outperform azuma, surviving or dps wise...

[red crane]

but the abilities suck

[zenith tundra]

0 luck also hurts a lot at least till fate

[vague token]

inb4 fate gives gascan preload

xD

[round dome]

[red crane]

it'd just be betetr to run ws in a french fleet

lol

[zenith tundra]

as i said is less consistent so worse by default but it wasn't that bad when saint didn't just die early

[red crane]

what do you think the next sr ship to recieve a retro will be?

[round dome]

Maybe i should try her with Richy to make it spicier

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't bother without richy to begin with

[round dome]

Devs are playing dead so nobody knows. Maybe prinz maybe takao maybe foxes or cranes, who knows

[zenith tundra]

hopefully no more ur retros

[round dome]

Just give Prinz even more survivability and not touching her offensive capability, problem solved

[red crane]

prinz would be nice for the prinz lovers to make her not be a trap ship

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't she still be a trap? her retro would be event locked anyway

[red crane]

true ig

make her retrofit turn her into a us ship

[zenith tundra]

and still be useless for pvp as all uss ships

[red crane]

except juneau

[zenith tundra]

juneau is an exception

[red crane]

the worst thing for the game would be an ijn event locked juneau

[crude mortar]

jun retro

100% heal

are these sand bagger or just rusher with low score?

[balmy furnace]

guys who missed 20 exercises

[light crystal]

Well, at least I know I can deal with the meta now (First try). Granted, neither of us had 457, so maybe that also played a factor at how relatively smooth it went. I targeted his Amagi with my WK, not sure if that's the advised strat against this, but seemed to have worked just fine.

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[sour oasis]

One more fight

[proper sorrel]

would
Akagi/Amagi/Kaga
X/Sendai/JdA
work in Amagi server pvp?

[balmy furnace]

Yes

but why Jeanne?

[proper sorrel]

because everyone in amagi server uses akaga

Jintsuu/Sendai/JdA should work actually

[upper sparrow]

Jeanne can work with torpmeme comp?

[ripe latch]

nope

[haughty flare]

this guy sure loves green color
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687342827746885640/722220822407675966/unknown.png

[empty grove]

Not all 120 means his love is weak

[karmic forum]

Someone had a good blue hair comp, even though they had to stretch it a bit for the main fleet.

[shell heron]

I think I ran into that person before. Had some decent ships

[karmic forum]

I've been thinking of running a fleet like that one

[ebon schooner]

Oh 122 is a thing

[karmic forum]

But Gascan is the only blue-haired backline to my knowledge

I know of four 122s

[empty grove]

Nerds

[mint hornet]

When you guys say they need to be up 35 pts for a +1.
Is that >=35
Or >35

[karmic forum]

=

[empty grove]

It's a +1

I've had multiple 70s only give me +1 before tho

[shell heron]

it's very rare I gotten a 35 that was a +0

still don't know what causes that

[vague token]

i love floats

xD

[mint hornet]

Yup was a +1

[still minnow]

should I use sheffy or jeanne?

jeanne has a better protection skill but she's as slow as eldridge

:/

[vague token]

sheffield is a better general use dr without sacrificing speed

and 500 base hp over jeanne

[still minnow]

sheffy's skill still works after she dies as well?

[vague token]

and significantly more gun damage

yep

[still minnow]

unlike jeanne

so she can be pearls

[vague token]

yep

[still minnow]

welp

ok sheffy it is, good thing I think they're both super cute

[vague token]

150 gun efficiency, better gun skill, dr works while dead

sheffy is the superior maid ;)

she has gun

[still minnow]

I have so many maids

[vague token]

no other maids have gun

[still minnow]

I don't need anymore

[vague token]

they are weak

[still minnow]

but I keep getting more anyway

this game honing right in on my maid fetish

[vague token]

if only she could take shell for crit synergy

[still minnow]

I wish we could have a frontline crit aux

slap that shit on black prince too

wonder how much damage she could pump out if she did extra crit dmg

tashgun was so good for her

I bet most people would yell at me for "wasting" tashgun by putting it on BP

[vague token]

i need to 120 sheff u for double sheff

i mean tash gun is permanent kita for me

[still minnow]

kita needs 100mm tho?

[vague token]

ignore the only fault it has xD

[still minnow]

her damage bypass doesnt work without ijn gun

[vague token]

it does

the armor ignore is any gun

[still minnow]

welp thats news to me

too bad kita is a child

[vague token]

like tashkent gun has what, raw dps of 52?

compare to the 40 of twin 100mm

[still minnow]

yeah its pretty nuts

[vague token]

the efficiency boost doesnt cross the gap

going from 105 to 120 efficiency brings that to like

[still minnow]

for some reaosn I thought the entire yellow skill was ijn gun dependent

[vague token]

54 vs 48

not including the fact the tashkent gun gives more fp too

xD

[still minnow]

100mm is still ideal gun for sirius and dido?

to cycle the barrages asap

[vague token]

probs

i dont really use dido and i only used sirius for cv buff so xD

[still minnow]

smh bad taste kiro

[vague token]

i dont like maids

only double sheffield

for the memes

[still minnow]

no you see maid is like cultured version of pet play instead of degenerate

maybe now you understand

I was super hyped for jeanne

turns out she's worse than sheffy in pvp and somehow even less affectionate than sheffy as a waifu

[vague token]

kek

[still minnow]

0/10 I want my hype back

[vague token]

i have a feeling any vg invuln ships will have 25 or lower speed now

just to force them having some weak point

[still minnow]

ugh

you mean just to make them totally unusable in pvp?

[vague token]

it also hurts them on EX

a lot

[still minnow]

oh true

I didnt even think of EX

[vague token]

they dont want you cheesing ex with double invuln

xD

but yeah hurts in pvp too

[still minnow]

right

give up all hope for pvp vg survivability

[vague token]

although eldridge has base stat problems

[still minnow]

ye who enter here

[vague token]

jeanne will live longer for sure cause base hp

and actually proc

i might try it out for fun but i have other ship priorities atm

[still minnow]

I want to say "and jeanne can get benefit from rudder and bulge unlike eldridge"

BUT SHE CAN'T CAUSE SHE HAS TO RUN DOUBLE FUCKING BOILER

I should raise jeanne to 120 just to have her compete for a slot with honolulu

and find out which makes a better team

xD

I somehow feel like honolulu would help win more than jeanne against triple bb backline

since at least honolulu wouldnt be slowing the frontline to a crawl

[ripe latch]

eldrige with boiler and pearl better

[still minnow]

funny thing, the other ship in this event that could have given pvp frontline some survivability

algerie with the 5 torp blocking shield

also has 24 speed

like why

it's like they're doing this on purpose

purposefully totally destroying any chance of frontline survivability

then they gave her more speed in manual

???

"don't use this ship in pvp thanks"

[ripe latch]

u put algerie for trp def - enemy put hiryuu

[elder crane]

pretty sure barrage spam gun is now the single 130

lemme run some numbers

[still minnow]

ty blue

enemy doesnt get to put hiryuu when im on offense xD

[ripe latch]

[still minnow]

u think im trying to use garbage like algerie and jeanne on defense?

lul

pretty sure defense is just full all-out meta or waifu flex

and nothing in between xD

[elder crane]

Sirius just wants 138 without manualing

you need barrage to physically hit as often as main guns for twin 100 to be worth it

AA stat prolly doesn't matter since her AA is sky high already, and also Hiryuu is the only relevant enemy CV to consider on offense

[vague token]

single 130 is the barrage one yeah

but you only get 1 =(((((

reee

[elder crane]

I'm going to check a few more, but it might be that if you're willing to use single 130 over 138, then you should be willing to use 100 over both

[vague token]

i think my single 130 is on tashkent atm though

kinda wish she could use drunk russia cl gun

xD

[still minnow]

is anyone else annoyed that bean is a CV and D1 has a CVL lock

[elder crane]

???

use fleet 2

[still minnow]

then I have to press the switch fleet button twice per run

instead of once

that is unacceptable

[elder crane]

[vague token]

i never would have thought we'd get a ship that uses literally all stats

xD

when will houshou get FP

=(

[still minnow]

hosho kai

?

also with how they're balancing ships like jeanne with these crippling weaknesses that make them unsuitable for their intended role

[elder crane]

Yeah, checked numbers, and it's pretty dissapointing

[still minnow]

I'm surprised sheffy doesn't have the lowest HP out of all the CLs

[elder crane]

if you're willing to use single 130 over 138, then you should be willing to use 100 over both

???

Jeanne does fine in PvE

just her historical reasons low speed kills her viability in PvP

[still minnow]

I don't really care about that though, everything does fine in pve

[karmic forum]

Sheffy's skill used to be a lot worse but they buffed it

[still minnow]

honolulu does fine in pve

that doesnt mean she's good

[elder crane]

No, like, Jeanne is actually niche but toptier

in PvE

[karmic forum]

Being a gunboat doesn't really help in PvP

[elder crane]

Honolulu is barely acceptable for PvE
you don't have to hard carry her, I suppose

[still minnow]

tyeah not needing to be carried is what I'd call "fine"

[karmic forum]

Vanguards die far too quickly in PvP for gun damage to be a factor

[sharp obsidian]

So... Which research are you guys doing to get the 457? I just got blasted by one in a PvP round. I checked mine and it was at 23/50 😮

[still minnow]

on that topic, tartu is surpringly not terrible if you use her with a french cruiser

[karmic forum]

Unless you're Azuma

[elder crane]

Q research spam

[still minnow]

like she doesnt need to be carried

which is super surpriing to me

[elder crane]

4H G is just as good as Q researches

[still minnow]

I thought she was F tier at first glance

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm.... the Q ones have a better drop rate than the rest?

[elder crane]

higher rate on equips

Q projects are the highest per-time rates on equips of all projects

[sharp obsidian]

Even the Q blue ones?

The 1hr ones?

[elder crane]

especially the 1H one

[karmic forum]

Blue Q is good

[elder crane]

gimme a sec, lemme link you some data on this

[karmic forum]

You should take them whenever you can if you want 457 bps

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm... I see! So I’ve been doing research wrong all this time 😱

[karmic forum]

And they're good to take in general when you want a fast refresh

[sharp obsidian]

I thought Gold > Purple > Blue

[karmic forum]

Thats mainly referring to rarity

You see fewer gold and purple researches

But blue researches are the bread and butter of PRs

Blue H, 1.5hr G, and Blue Q are what you will be taking for the most part.

[vague token]

1.5h is great

[karmic forum]

Although you should take the 4hr G or Q research over the blues if both are offered

8hr Ds have a decent 457 rate but I only take the DR ones

[elder crane]

Nah, 8H projects are overcosted

their per-time and per-res rates are worse than the shorter ones

good for sleeping/afk basically

[vague token]

id rather take the free ones for sleeping

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm! Got it.

So I really have been doing it wrong

Glad I asked here! Thanks mate!

[still minnow]

how do I calculate consistency?

[elder crane]

of what

[still minnow]

I want to compare 138 vs. 100

on sirius and dido

and I value consistency more than rng damage spikes

so if I go get 10 samples of 138, and then 10 samples of 100mm

[elder crane]

compare gun DpS to torp DpS to barrage DpS basically

oh, you mean testing

10 samples too small most likely

you want ~100 or so to be able to do what you want
....yeah

[vague token]

you could go with like hit rate since you know your barrage dps

and just multiply it out

xD

[elder crane]

this is why DpS calculators exist

[still minnow]

DpS calculators can't figure out the likelihood of your barrage hitting though

[vague token]

i think the calcs have a barrage hit rate thing

[elder crane]

then just observe

[vague token]

at least the one i remember using

[still minnow]

like if my barrage misses 60% of the time

[elder crane]

that you just have to observe then

[still minnow]

aaaaaa

[elder crane]

100 barrages is like 15 fights, so

nowhere near as bad

probably fine with ~50 tbh

[still minnow]

I feel like it's impossible to comapre damage

because I can't guarantee I fight the same fleets over and over

and I can't get the damage numbers if I reset the fight before I win

[elder crane]

just count barrage hitrate and plug into DpS calc then

do like 10 fights each

the problem with damage numbers is sample size reqs

btw, boss rush daily is a decent DpS testing ground for some comparisons, just note time taken to kill boss 2/3 and reset

I just did some runs on that yesterday to make a point on Chappy gun vs seattle gun

[still minnow]

what point did you prove

would you use nepgun or chappygun on bean

[elder crane]

that chappy gun doesn't have physical hitrate issues

[vague token]

her skill extends the range like biscuit so probably not chap

[elder crane]

I'd use seattlegun
probably Nepgun of those two

chappy gun at those ranges will have spread issues, and HE ammo has velocity issues

[karmic forum]

I take 8hrs so I can farm without having to check on research as much. They're overcosted but I'd rather just take something guaranteed over losing time for research due to farming.

[elder crane]

Nepgun spread isn't great either, but at least no velocity issues

[vague token]

i mean at least it converges kinda

[elder crane]

Yeah, hence afk

[still minnow]

I was thinking nepgun can penetrate targets

[elder crane]

Chappy gun?

[still minnow]

and chappygun gives extra FP

[elder crane]

Nah, you're never gonna pen with Bearn

[still minnow]

that she would benefit a lot from

so for me it seemed to be down to between those guns

[elder crane]

her range is only long enough to hit one enemy at a time basically

[still minnow]

well isnt nepgun best for bbs because of its ability to penetrate?

[elder crane]

ngl, I'd consider taking the twin 150 if you don't need to kill suicides

[vague token]

nepgun is a converging type spread though

[karmic forum]

Is bearn the same as zeppy in gun power?

[vague token]

it's like the least likely to penetrate enemies in a line

[elder crane]

no, it's best intercept due to long range and AP high velocity

Nepgun isn't at all lol

it has pretty wide/wonky spreads at range

[still minnow]

o

[elder crane]

haven't you had it completely miss a suicide ship when all shots shift to one side?

[still minnow]

I auto

[elder crane]

cause it rolls the direction on each shell individually lol, so sometimes it doesn't hit something in center at extreme ranges

[vague token]

the only one you want for penetration is tbtsk

conga line fun times

xD

[elder crane]

anyways, normally, on BB you take Nepgun or Seattlegun since they have PR extended targeting and ammo ranges

on Bearn, doesn't matter

Bearn overwrites range anyways

I'd consider taking tbtskc on her

[vague token]

i cant wait to run bearn/biscuit and pretend i have 5 vg guns

[elder crane]

yeah

that has the best long-range performance

laser spread and AP high velocity

[vague token]

although bearn has terrible efficiency xD

[elder crane]

Seattlegun is second prolly, that has higher DpS

[vague token]

and stat padding

[still minnow]

interesting

I'll try tbtsk then

[elder crane]

yeah, tbtskc on Bearn might have issues killing anything at all

lol

[still minnow]

doesnt bearn want FP really bad tho?

[vague token]

i mean 55% is rough

[elder crane]

100% with skill

[vague token]

oh ok it goes up to 100

xD

[still minnow]

eff seems fine

[vague token]

gotta level the skill lel

[elder crane]

55% is for if she uses a plane in that slot

[karmic forum]

Oh she has a fixed range

[vague token]

yeah

[karmic forum]

Yeah tbtsk seems to be the best for those types of ships

[elder crane]

yeah, she has Bismarck extended range overwrite

[still minnow]

what about one of the shotgun guns

[elder crane]

Seattlegun is good too if you're running into issues outputting enough DpS

[still minnow]

so she just coats the battlefield in bullets xD

[elder crane]

anything else either has shit DpS or too much spread issues at those ranges

though clevegun is nice memes

[karmic forum]

Shes still not going to be doing much gun damage with only 1 MGM

[vague token]

oh her range is 80, less than bismarck

[karmic forum]

Similar to Zeppy its mainly going to be useful for the fp reqs

[elder crane]

She's 2 mounts

[vague token]

that's a bummer

[still minnow]

I think bearn's purpose is mobbing? so she'll be overlevelled and be able to use clevegun reasonably well?

[elder crane]

same as Zeppy and Bis