#pvp
still minnow
who's the 3rd?
vague token
warspite
vague token
azuma
still minnow
does the purple plate have the same functiona s the gold one on a heavy armor ship?
I think I scrapped my purple
vague token
lower numbers i think
ripe latch
plate on taihou , why? 
vague token
trying it out instead of double evasion
i havent found any luck with double evasion without amagi on comp
trying just large boost in base hp
still minnow
I calculated that rudder+VH plate gives better eHP vs. wskai than rudder-beaver does
empty grove
still minnow
so I have lusty with rudder-plate and formi with rudder-fuel
and those are on the edges to soak up wskai wrath xD
then taihole in middle to eat nagato
vague token
formi should never soak wskai
ever
her base hp is too low
457 will rip through the tiny dr she has
still minnow
oh shit I forgot 457 exists
aaaaaaaaaaaa
taihole doesn't work there either though?
vague token
taihou has far superior base hp
still minnow
ehh I guess taihole does have ridiculous hp
literally 1k more
only thing is that she has that 20% HE ammo resistance and I think that applies to nagato barrage
vague token
it doesnt, nagato and amagi's main damage part is normal
it just burns because ijn superiority
still minnow
oh well no good reason not to put formi in the middle then I guess
vague token
unless they changed the color for fun
but taihou will resist the shelling
and of course hoovy armor resists the barrages
ripe latch
just see taihou with vh gold + beaver , 1 shell from ws kai ~1,1k
still minnow
you think taiho should have VH?
or rather
do you think lusty should be the one sacrificed to top slot or taihole?
coral wren
is nagato IJN fleet still the best on CN/JP servers
still minnow
xDDD
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still minnow
no idea if that'll work but I think it's worth a try
still minnow
she was the only ship I couldn't pull from the pasta event 
plus side: don't have to compete with littorio for harem
vague token
still minnow
what would be funny is littorio and algerie
just make your fleet totally immune to torpmemes
slap that shit on defense entirely to troll torpmeme goofballs
no other purpose
oh bro that could be
hoooold up
riche, JB, littorio + sanrui, algerie, jeanne
could that be an actual fleet
hold the fucking phone
crude mortar
sterile bobcat
I remember being told here once that 2x steam cata is a pve only thing, so what would I want as my Enty's auxes then?
hot creek
Rudder/Avgas
zenith tundra
+0 reset in en 
still minnow
on lusty would you slot pirates or reppuus?
pirates are faster but reppuu has that nice crash damage, I feel like the AVI--agnostic crash damage deal is particularly strong for maximiziing her impact on the battle?
lul
lusty getting mvp should be illegal and this was against a meta team
upper sparrow
Should u show what meta fleet u encounter, also the fleet power& their level first
still minnow
it was nagato akaga
frontlinejuneau azuma yukikaze
all lvl 120
azuma was missing 1 star
no oath
upper sparrow
Nakaga 
still minnow
it's an old meta but still a meta nonetheless
upper sparrow
But whatever 
still minnow
xDDD
I don't think this can win against wskai teams
I need jeanne
g i v e m e j e a n n e
upper sparrow
Well ur fleet is strong on AA-wise so thats not surprising they can counter akaga well
still minnow
bro you know what I want even more than jeanne
honolulu retrofit
you know what I want even more than honolulu retrofit? honolulu retrofit with a PVP relevant skillset
still minnow
dev lvl do you need for pvp viability?
sour oasis
0 if you want xp. 30 if you want to win Admiral of the Navy.
still minnow
what torpedo bomber should I use on slutty? cuda, 818, VT-18?
cuda has the best crash damage, 818 has the slow that could help the VG do damage to the enemy VG, VT-18 has a 3% buff to her aircraft crash damage to the enemy backline?
sour oasis
VT18 is the strongest, Cuda is the 2nd. 818 is situational.
still minnow
can I have an analysis of why you order them the way you do?
I guess ryuusei are also an option but I doubt they would do any damage with her low AVI and slot eff
sour oasis
I personally found 818 handy as long as I didn't see a heavy meta fleet.
still minnow
why's special about meta that makes them less vulnerable to 818
sour oasis
Barracuda does the most damage, but doesn't quite offset VT18's buffs.
Super meta fleets throw in extra boilers that speed them through the 818 slowdown.
sour oasis
Two boilers boosts speed enough that the slowdown just isn't as effective.
upper sparrow
Thats why u put boiler in pvp in the first place
sour oasis
It is really really annoying when I face double boiler vanguard. (That means I have to do the same.)
still minnow
okay so is this fully optimized?
taihole, formi, slutty, in that order
also deployed in that order from top to bottom
I don't have another DB cuda to replace the comet, I think that's the only improvement I can make here?
still minnow
zenith tundra
random dps screens
seems like richy dps is not that great but ws does all the dmg anyway
finite valve
is the dmg different from ws using 457?
granite flame
yes
charred sable
RIP. It's only day 2 and the season is already over for me. Again 
ripe latch
shell heron
at least you didn't fall asleep on your chair 10 minutes before reset 
shell heron
I also lost 3 matches. We are the same now
zenith tundra
hooloo r1 again 
karmic forum
F for kurumi
sour oasis
Nice to get things out early.
I'm only +11 compared to pure rushing (end of Tues for pure rush is 567), but if I drag just enough to get +3 in bonuses every day for the remaining 10 days, that's good enough.
karmic forum
I'm probably going to be busy with the event
I rush so I don't have to check PvP during the day
sour oasis
Wait. Event. Crap.
shell heron
you know the nice thing about a cursed season is that we can worry less about score and just farm
Also I kinda want to fix my sleep. all that sandbagging finally made me pass out while sitting
sterile bobcat
When, if ever, would I want to use Homing Beacon on CVs?
sterile bobcat
So the general BiS for CVs, assuming launch timing isn't a concern, would be rudder+avgas correct?
shell heron
yes
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that's the most reliable set yeah
shell heron
considering trying rudder/armor on Hiryuu offense for fun
but I got use to using WS offense
vague token
im using purple armor on taihou atm
for ws tanking
boost her hp some more
double evasion doesnt stick for me usually
without amagi it's hard to evade ws =(
sour oasis
I'm doing something wrong. I can never get used to WS on offense. I'm too used to Amagi barrage (and I'm not taking out Hiryu)
ripe latch
sour oasis
What should WS layout look on offense? Still AP guns?
shell heron
Litt gun is a solid option since matches should never last longer than 3 salvos
but I'm too lazy to +10 that gun so triple 410 AP instead
I have enough HE from Nagato and Amagi shells
hot creek
just use 457 
blazing scroll
Thanks for the food
sterile bobcat
If I'm running Enty+Hiryuu+1 for my backline, what would a good +1 be
Actually, is Enty+Hiryuu even a good starting point? Also do keep in mind that I don't have Amagi so anything except her
hot creek
Do you have anything on the tierlist?
sterile bobcat
I have some decent frontline ships like Belfast, Yuki, Juneau, Aurora and Sanrui but I'm still missing a good majority of the meta backliners like Nagato, Amagi, Warspite, Formi etc
I'm currently using Sanrui/Bel/Yuki as my frontline rn, I though of changing up my backline a bit and was thinking if I can work with Enty+Hiryuu+something else
Since my only other option that is even mentioned in the comp tier list would be some wonky HMS comp with QLiz/Hood/Dork
shell heron
You said you have Juneau. In this case Juneau/(Belfast,Sanrui, Aurora)/Yuki is a better option
That heal has big value
sterile bobcat
I see, I was a little unsure about where to fit Juneau
Back on topic, is Enty+Hiryuu+Dork a good backline? How about Casablanca over Dork? Prolly not meta but doesn't sound too bad
shell heron
if those are your choices, I would use Dork instead
Outside of CV buff, she is just a weaker ranger imo
I'm pretty excited to test out Richelieu soon. She looks fun as an optional flag for those without meta ships
sterile bobcat
Aight I'll put in Dork for now then and pray for richy. Also, I was looking at the suggested equips and had a few of questions -
a) in a Juneau/Sanrui/Yuki vg, who should be carrying Pearl's tears?
b) Why is FE highly recommended on yuki, while oxytorps are situational?
c) Mag torps are universally better than non-mag ones in pvp right
shell heron
a) toss-up between Juneau and Sanrui tbh. Sanrui is good at tanking but not that good
b) Fire is a big weakness to Yuki. Reducing the amount of burn ticks and burn chance lets her survive longer
c) correct(at least quad mags are)
sterile bobcat
One more thing, with the aforementioned vg fleet I should put Juneau/Sanrui/Yukikaze from bottom/left to top/right correct? When is it ideal for Juneau to die so as to not waste her heal
shell heron
Now that would depend on how your runs go. I prefer Juneau lead because most of the time she dies at a good time to heal the main fleet from initial trade.
although if you find her going down too soon, moving Sanrui to lead is better.
ionic magnet
cay and fam both lost charges?
im not even getting good bonus but oh well i guess thats another way to win
ionic magnet
533 iirc
sour oasis
Wait, Cay doesn't run Hiryu on offense??
Am I the only one that picks Hiryu over Warspite?? 
hollow maple
Don't know what gears enemy had but this seems impressive
past egret
Jean would be so much better if the gun she needs didn’t reload slower than the Death Star
I’m surprised he put Gascogne as the Warkai tanker instead of Jean
celest obsidian
What is this, french meta? I just retrofitted Warspite
past egret
Could run Amagi Riche Warspite
Even though people said the French ships weren’t pvp worthy they don’t seem to bad. But no one has posted any consecutive 7+ match testing videos, only ones with 2-3 matches.
vague token
sanrui still wont be worth it with 7% more damage and more base stats
her gun angle is so bad
no aux gun for small pressure
cant hit backline
gascan should be ok
jb is big gamble, whiff and you have ten year cd before next gun
or no crit
rip damage
past egret
most likely dies before second salvo anyways
vague token
one fun thing might be gascan u
past egret
20/25 second reoad time
past egret
Feels bad her other skill is pve only
vague token
that's why you use gascan u
solo gascan u gets 12% damage boost for odd number of ships
6% fp buff stacks up to two times per gun shot
silly ammo mods with 140/115/115 he, 100/130/130 ap
25% faster first shot too
fun meme
past egret
Buildable Gas > PR Gas 
celest obsidian
Whoa, now I feel bad for not building during the muse event
celest obsidian
Any advice about this gun from Oratorio shop?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_203mm_(Mle_1924)#Type_3
smoky elk
plain carbon
@hollow maple the enemy had the most unlucky Juneau RNG i have seen in forever
holy hell, she got melted every time in the first torp salvo or very shortly after
hollow maple
true
but it still looks impressive in spite of rng reliant, specially for new people who lack nagato , fdg or warspite retro
plain carbon
for newer people who dont have Nagato / Amagi / not enough IB ships to actually get FDG this is the best they can do I guess
valid dagger
This torpedo Will kill your entire fleet
karmic forum
Seems like it
tranquil badge
What's the point differential needed to get +11 points during the 2nd week? i heard it's 35?
sterile bobcat
I've never really paid attention to this, but if warspite is positioned off-flag then she'll shoot her despacito at the at the ship on the opposite end right? eg if she's on the bottom spot on the enemy fleet then she'll hit my top-most backliner and vice-versa
Also, if she's in the center then where will she shoot?
shell heron
Week 2 should be when you hit 1050+ points. That is correct. +1 needs 35 points
tranquil badge
Alright thank you very much 
proper sorrel
people tryna crash my device with so many torpedoes
whole terrace
Don't know what gears enemy had but this seems impressive
@hollow maple I wonder why the enemy backline is healing every 15 seconds
Yeah I don't trust those vids at all anymore
I knew something was off when the vg had non-mag torps
hollow maple
W88 so enemy backline had toolboxes ?
if video was setup then rip i won't trust them anymore too
balmy furnace
whole terrace
It might be unintentional but this guy and kota todo are clearly misleading people about the strength of the teams they’re testing
shell heron
I don't doubt Juneau can potentially be nuked because of richi preloaded barrage, but yuki mid...
we have her rear for a reason
hot creek
Every single time, there is always something off with the "meta" fleets they test against either they're gimped equipment -wise, unoptimal positioning, enemy not running Juneau or they just cherry pick matches where they got got lucky or enemy never gets any barrage procs. I dont even pay attention to the links people post anymore . People are definitely being misled by these videos but that's what they like to see, so whatever
cinder crater
@sterile bobcat if warkai is flag she shoots at the enemy's topmost
shell heron
But will a French mainfleet be fun, very likely
Consistent performance compared to current t0 or t1 fleet. dunno
hot creek
Perhaps I'll take on the mantle of proper testing myself. The guild I joined recently has a bunch of top players who I see often in pvp so I can pester them to set up a defense with detailed loadouts and positioning 
vague token
ill try rich/gascan u/formidable
if i whiff on preload
it's ok
i have za warudo
xD
hot creek
Id have to buy a lot more rings though 
vague token
there's no extra synergy from triple stack baguette besides stat padding
whole terrace
uh i'll run riche with amagi and hiryuu on the amagi server but that's about it
sterile bluff
I've never really paid attention to this, but if warspite is positioned off-flag then she'll shoot her despacito at the at the ship on the opposite end right? eg if she's on the bottom spot on the enemy fleet then she'll hit my top-most backliner and vice-versa
Also, if she's in the center then where will she shoot?
@sterile bobcat top
sour oasis
... And now I'm at -37 for this season. Geez. Alarm skipped '15 minute warning' straight to '15 seconds'.
shell heron
another one joining the "stalled by sleep" club
ebon schooner
collusion 
shell heron
I didn't collude with kiro that season, not at all 
hot creek
dont worry, next maintenance will make us all -50 points
upper sparrow
10 hour mt 
coral wren
celest obsidian
I gotta share it, even it's stupid and useless. Look at this beautiful visualization of data from PvP bonuses sheet. I'm proud of myself
zenith tundra
this is what i think about french ships so far that could be used;
richy: usable even without other french ships. her preload can deal a lot of dmg if it hit vg and her barrage also does help killing vg faster. what i would use her for tho is fhe combo with ws and fdg for ultra early focused dmg where u can have: 2 fdg barrages ws barrage and 1 mg and 2 ricky barrages with both fdg and richy barrages fires on 1 opponent in ~17s.
jb: the most useful thing about her is that preload can kill vg. her overall dmg is not good and completely unfocused so rng. at the very least she can tank a bit.
gascogne: i haven't really used her bur no preload and only mgm+1 hurts her viability too much compared to the other 2. barrage is way too swallow tbh to be relevant.
saint louis: i tried her with new ca gun and she has good dmg vs vg but she doesn't really last vs main. the difference in between azuma yuki and saint yuki seems to be that azuma keep herself alive longer at expense of yuki usually and is overall more consistent while saint yuki keeps yuki alive more but less consistent.
vague token
gascan u is better i think
than regular
xD
if you want pure sheller
she does count as vichya for buffs still right?
vague token
that's what formidable is for
zenith tundra
if u use muse u use 457
on her
u can't sync that
better trying to sync jb/richy at that point
anyway muse will have 0 luck forever. at least pr can have 15 from fate sim
vague token
nope
coral wren
but she shoots twice or smth like that right
vague token
it separates her mounts into 2 separate shots every cd
coral wren
yes that
vague token
so it functions as MGM+1 for auto
shell heron
you don't get the giant screen slowdown as you do in PvE
it just acts as a mgm+1 at that point
coral wren
i see...
shell heron
not gonna stop me from setting full french meme def
zenith tundra
most people use meme defense. is it even a meme at this point? or is it a normie thing to do...
crude mortar
3 bonus!!!
hardest part of azur lane pvp is about sleep
hardest part about azur lane pvp is about waking up in the middle of sleep and do pvp and continue sleep
upper sparrow
crude mortar
im going 0/10
its not like I gonna wake up after 10hour maint anyway
either 10 or 12 hour maint
no way it 8
sour oasis
Do we have a finalized chart of how many bonus ladder points are gained at each rank?
shell heron
that's base points per rank. we're getting close to making a good guess on most ranks
coral wren
Almost slept past
27 behind, im proud of myself for once cuz i slept past 2 attempts
crude mortar
sour oasis
I'm only 20 behind a purely rushing player. I wonder if I can sneak into Avrora AotN next week...
crude mortar
remember
sacrifice all your sleep and devote your soul for temporary aotn title that give you one free gold bullin every 3 months
vimportant
sour oasis
I don't normally do that. But I also don't normally sleep through a reset that happens right before maintenance.
But gold bullin is more important given the upcoming event banner.
Because vive la 🇫🇷
crude mortar
just
dont lose
on aotn rush day
dont rush
wait next 2 reset
after people rush they eat -1-11-1-1-1-
u gonna get aotn anyway
welcome to the food chain
granite flame
LMAO
small cypress
It's ayanami good?
crude mortar
I couldn't count how many time I see this question
if your vg dont die for 20s and ayanami passive proc and the 20th sec torp from ayanami actually landing and not miss from evasion then shes good else yukikaze is better in everyway
in pvp if your vg all die enemy bb gonna anihilate all your backrow
and most of the time if you use yukikaze at post rear and she survive you pretty much winning the match if enemy dont have warspite
and yukikaze give dmg reduction to main extra heal
with 500 torp stat and good barrage dmg
why would you ever use ayanami over yukikaze anyway
yukikaze had 44 more luck and 12 more accuracy aswell
alot more overall crit chance and hit rate
hot creek
Aya is fine if you're going for torp meme team or torp defense. ie reset match until you get a good torp opening. She isn't used for serious comps though.
frail orbit
Anyway u guys rushed for this 10(potentially 12)hours maintenance?
coral wren
oh rite
frail orbit
Oh well only 8 hours it seems
frail orbit
And potentially at 10 only
coral wren
should probably rush unless u like -50
frail orbit
Naaa
coral wren
u dont think will extend?
frail orbit
No need to rush atm
karmic forum
I'm rushing this time since its an event
coral wren
frail orbit
Hmmmmm
coral wren
it has to be over 12h
karmic forum
No time for sandbagging gotta grind riche
frail orbit
At most it's gonna be 10h anyway
crude mortar
unironically believe it only 8 hour maint
coral wren
red crane
ok so i started after the nagato event but a little bit before the warspite retrofit event meanign im stuck in this weird situation where i have amagi but not nagato. i'm wantign to use amagi cause she's insane along with warspite cause warspite is insane. i'm wondering what the best way to use the both of them would be with what i have (gonna try to only list what my research has told me are relevant pvp ships even if they don't really fit with what im wanting:
backline possibilities: Hood (120), QE (119), Enterprise (103), Kaga (99), Akagi (90), Monarch (Dev 26, 180/200, 79), Centaur (73), Hiryuu (71, not retrofit yet but it wouldn't be a major obstacle)
frontline stuffs: Juneau (117), Belfast (117), Ayanami Retrofit (100), Noshiro (100), Yukikaze (72), Aurora (66), Saint Louis (Dev 27, 180/200, 66), Sirius (1)
i think that my best shot would be something like this:
WS Kai/Amagi/Hiryuu Kai
Juneau/Yukikaze/Noshiro
thoughts?
red crane
not online yet
coral wren
u dont have them?
red crane
fdg im not gonna grind for until i get mroe backline germans than graf
coral wren
ah
coral wren
how much dev
red crane
i have like 39 blueprints
coral wren
kk dont use her
red crane
and 24 general
red crane
i started during divergent chessboard
crude mortar
I started a little bit before warspite too
red crane
this is the main reason im thinking runnign waryuu though
red crane
don't have rainbow torps anyway
coral wren
whole terrace
I'm in the same situation as u varhii, I also started around divergent chessboard
crude mortar
to all ibuki user
red crane
i've mainly been using hms before this point
coral wren
why do u hate torp meme
usually torp meme just cause reset
not randomly u die
unlike cough cough hiryuu mirrors
red crane
it's just kidna funny cause it's a weird spot
whole terrace
And I went with warkai amagi monarch and it's working wonders. I've tested it against warkai amagi hiryuu and both are solid but warkai amagi hiryuu had a weakness to namaspite
red crane
cause if i had nagato i'd obv use her
red crane
yeha i know
whole terrace
Warkai amagi richelieu is worth trying too.
coral wren
another thing is u want amagi flag and monarch in the place their spite shoots
if it exists
coral wren
ye
whole terrace
Vanguard is just as rem said: juneau noshiro yuki
crude mortar
crude mortar
coral wren
there we go
me and the boys
the bottom one
but tbh if ur not full memer u put nanoda in torp fleet too. ive seen it work
finite valve
really been a long time since i see a good torp comp
coral wren
red crane
which is better in pvp? beaver or boiler?
finite valve
you would want beaver for flag ship
red crane
ok
finite valve
boiler on jesus
red crane
ty
red crane
so out of amagi, hiryuu/monarch, and warspite, who should be the flagship
red crane
that's what i figured
finite valve
i rather have monarch flag
coral wren
hmm
finite valve
amagi is too good to die early
red crane
i'll test both of them out in flag when i get them leveled
finite valve
yours =/= him
finite valve
more like out of those 3 monarch dying is irrelevant
ws and amagi are 100 times better than monarch
whole terrace
one of the best things about the comp is how versatile it is, quite like ws amagi fdg. You can position them how u like depending on the opponent and ur preference
whole terrace
against namaspite i use monarch/hiryuu to tank enemy ws, and where the other two go depends on who I want to focus down
finite valve
been using ws nagato amagi since forever
the only comp i ever lose to is torp comp
rest just brute force
fuck changing comp
red crane
when is nagato gonna be available again
finite valve
yeh tell that to my VG face first into all of their torp
or they having a fucking crt torp
red crane
as soon as i get nagato im gonna grind her up
crude mortar
next rerun event
whole terrace
That only happens in like 1 in 5 attempts, even then a win for them isn't guaranteed
finite valve
and that going to change my situation cus?
coral wren
wouldn't be surprised if we don't get a rerun
@red crane i would be, since jp did
crude mortar
next event after french supposed to be essex drill?
finite valve
i still lost to them once in a blue moon regardless of your 1 in 5 chance
coral wren
next event after french supposed to be essex drill?
@crude mortar nobody said anything
losing to torp comp is rly
it happens when u dont pay attention
red crane
i mean jp already had a rerun
finite valve
EN only put into archive if we already have a rerun of it
red crane
we had it when jp hadthe rerun
finite valve
example is WC and FW
red crane
yeah, en got fallen wingds rerun
coral wren
red crane
then nothing
and now it's in archives
so was nagato a map farm character or a pool character
red crane
well fuck
finite valve
you farm kawakaze in d3
coral wren
iirc only 2 SSR that event
finite valve
nagato is shop + build i think?
coral wren
only nagato and kawa
crude mortar
red crane
and we prob won't get a rerun
crude mortar
^
red crane
not fallen wings
finite valve
they put into archive cus we already have the rerun version of the event
crude mortar
fallen wing is super old
red crane
^
finite valve
FW in EN first run was a rerun lol
crude mortar
other server had 2nd rerun
coral wren
isss in en first run didnt say "rerun"
crude mortar
kekekekekeke
coral wren
so chill
crude mortar
there is gonna be new essex skin
will you rerun nagato before essex event as a game developer that about to sell new essex skin?
red crane
i want another warspite skin
coral wren
idk if its worth it
cuz im not yostar
but i think when nagato reruns a new skin would be nice, if they dont have ideas then just put the old skins on sale as well, thats gonna get lot of cash monie
crude mortar
coral wren
plus this time when malin "reruns"
they sold her skin
despite her l2d coming in skybound
another example is TW's ISSS run
they sold nagato skin as well
shell heron
hmmm, sandbag more and recover a bit from that incident
or play safe and full rush
I'll sandbag. I got nothing to lose anymore
hot creek
You've a lot more to gain by rushing, if extended main happens.
Since you're already down matches, you won't be getting much by continuing to sandbag.
hot creek
Im just gonna continue camping. I don't think they'll extend maint. Famous last words, I know.
shell heron
I would as well if I didnt dropped 3 already.
frail orbit
Last time we got 12h maint
It was from 10h maint that got extended to 12h right?
shell heron
The last major extension was microlayer. And that way longer.
Wait. Ce rerun was pushing it.
Something like 11 hours
frail orbit
Yeah
Around that
But it was said that this gonna be 10h anyway
I meant
8h
And assuming extra time needed is 2h anyway
shell heron
Its a major event update. Its almost not a bad idea to rush before those
Game content updates i I definitely don't trust. Come guild update. I rush
still minnow
I wonder what would happen if I set up 3 CVs that have 4 swordfish between them
would that be able to slow enemy vnguards to a stop xD
crude mortar
no
zenith tundra
there is no maint in jp/cn. if they manage to screw up this maint without working on the other major servers better just quit pvp
sour oasis
109 ladder point difference at Commander just got me 4 bonus points (thanks smolmiku)
crude mortar
just quit pvp anyway
1.new player start to pvp
2.ne wplayer try to learn about ranking system
3.new player learn about sandbagging
4.new player learn that they need to sacrifice all their sleep and soul for 3 months for extra gold bulling.
5.new player quit
6.another new player begin to pvp(repeat step1)
someone should try to create non event easy fleet with simple gear that can fight namaryuu for new player and pin it so when new player ask what should they just
just point it there
or just let them getting anihilated in oblivion vs warspite
past egret
@ripe latch i am at 5/10 matches banking on maint not fucking up
Hopefully It doesn’t so I can continue my hunt for you 
cerulean estuary
8 to 10hrs maintenance + pvp = gamble
just deal with it 
ebon schooner
time to move
coral wren
is his opponent fleet not strong enough
shy hazel
upper sparrow
45 minutes 
ripe latch
Hopefully It doesn’t so I can continue my hunt for you
@past egret i'm do 8/10 and lost 2 times , so u can found after main again
elder crane
used algerie
Seems like he realizes he's memeing pretty hard
ripe latch
shell heron
That guy's tests always seems off with his opponents. I wonder whats wrong this time.
Also I slept past my final rush alarm and still have 5/10 matches
ripe latch
@zenith tundra did u add french corp to tier list?
zenith tundra
what comp should be added? idk even richy ws fdg i haven't really tested against good comps yet to have an idea
not gonna add full french anyway since is a meme
zenith tundra
anyone can make a meme tl... is there a reason to add those to actual tl?
ripe latch
maybe need more tests
zenith tundra
full french is out of any questions tbh. jb ricky amagi is slower then namaryuu
also i'm not working on tl anymore. people can now do their own test with pr2 stuff
ripe latch
elder crane
lolwut
richi in first 10-pull
then two richi in next 10-pull
Where's my Algerie and Vaq qq
ripe latch
but why u need her , if they cannot play on pvp ?
shell heron
what do you mean? that guy clearly proved French fleet is superior to current meta 
ripe latch
shell heron
absolute optimized comp right there
elder crane
I NEED MY 100% COLLECTION MAN
Well, I think that's, what
50 pulls?
and "all" I have to show for it is 3 richi
shell heron
but on another topic. maint ended early for once
karmic forum
A win for PvP I suppose
shell heron
I continued sandbagging on accident by passing out cold
karmic forum
But still this season is probably dead for various reasons
shell heron
Is there anyone left here fighting for EoS besides Hoo
Both me and Famine are out because "sleep"
karmic forum
The other sandbaggers still exist
shell heron
the sandbaggers that talk here
karmic forum
Probably not then
zenith tundra
my score is trash but the problem is aotn rush
mk6 should be better overall but i'm using twin 406. it helps killing 1 opponent in 17s
her barrage hits all backlines. 2 shells top 4 mid and 2 bot
the flat small pellets are very good for hitting vg
or can just help make sure she debuffs backline
zenith tundra
mk6 has better chances of hitting vg
sterile bluff
zenith tundra
i'm just using ws fdg focus that works like a sniping machine
zenith tundra
her barrage is pretty good for dealing early damage
zenith tundra
those always land on opponent backline
zenith tundra
opposite. it's not aimed
sterile bluff
i see
zenith tundra
it always lands in the same spot every time like pve
zenith tundra
if it was aimed somehow it would be less bad focusing ws and fdg tbh. if opponent vg doesn't die and fdg opposite backline is dead she has a tendency of not being that useful
rng mg dmg
sterile bluff
i thought fdg's main purpose in pvp is to tank tf outta everything then finish up enemy backlines after their vg dies
zenith tundra
yes that's it. it doesn't really change that she works great with ws for early dmg focus
sterile bluff
warspite 2nd retro: Barrage boost applies to every barrage 
zenith tundra
853 🚮
vague token
less bonus cause new event xD
zenith tundra
no event before 10hrs ago
zenith tundra
7:20 u can check ping in #game-news for time
coral wren
hm
tough dirge
yes i lost 3 times in exercise time to give up another 14 days
im not ready for exercise
ebon schooner
losing 3
tough dirge
yeah 2 to not paying attention
tough dirge
i lost 1 to some dumbass meta fleet by like 1 hit on their last vanguard
main*
whats gensui
ebon schooner
aotn
tough dirge
alright i googled it because i dont speak in morse
stone patio
first time top 100 im vvv happy
vague token
so the jeanne skill isnt a true invuln? big oof
crude mortar
is there true invul skill beside final counter
rocky shadow
How about riche second skill? It is worth for pvp
The burn effect reduce enemy stats
proper sorrel
leipzig
south dakota with washington
elder crane
Birm
sour oasis
Ha. With just a little bit of dragging, I'm only -2 on-par with a pure rusher. I might even be able to sneak into AotN on Saturday if I get +1 each refresh. (there's 21 till Saturday)
sour oasis
It's still a long way until the end!
coral wren
no i missed 2 earlier on and i thought it was fine but now i missed another 5 i dont want to live anymore
sour oasis
And really, all you need is probably +30 (which can be gotten in the first four days) and then you can just rush all the rest of the way (and therefore you won't ever over sleep) .
coral wren
hm
narrow meadow
sour oasis
So like if you get 10 bonus points each day for the first three days (nine refresh opportunities), you can rush all your remaining tickets and you have a decent chance on Friday to rush for Admiral of the Navy.
sour oasis
It's not a guarantee, but 30 gives you a pretty good chance. (50 almost gives you a guaranteed AotN title... But only if you rush sometime on Friday.)
Yes.
Oops.
Most of the higher end players finish with over 100 bonus points (and compete for that top spot on Sunday)
ripe latch
crude mortar
velvet oracle
crude mortar
nihao
velvet oracle
it seems our guinea pigs that is CN server had constant updates to pvp in its first year lol
hiryuu already used before with akaga, also hp wasn't 2x yet, plane health not quadrupled
hood akagas, jintsuu kagerou hamakaze
did they actually have patchnotes for pvp updates so that players know lol
zenith tundra
old al also used to not have diminishing returns on reload and autoloaders were broken.
tbh that looks like unfinshed game then actual improvements like beta testing
still minnow
crude mortar
is this game still in beta state
sour oasis
No. Thanks to day-0 patch, no game has beta any more.
narrow obsidian
French ships new meta ?
vague token
unlikely but it wont suck
shell heron
Richi flag sounds like a fun thing to test
preloaded shells with decent on-fire barrage that helps with nuking Juneau
sure
vague token
imma try tashkent for start of battle slow, even if it's just a bit
should hit a bit of the first barrage
crude mortar
tash kent with triple preload bb!!!11
crude mortar
1.5% slowspeed
z
how about triple reload french and triple ijn torp front
*preload
past egret
Preload?
fossil yarrow
past egret
sour oasis
As a captain I just got 16 points (+4) from beating a 1060 (121 difference)
ebon schooner
it is at least 24 score difference for +1 of captain
coral wren
how do i fight a nagato ijn fleet
hot creek
I disagree. You don't have to go full torp meme. That VG is fine. I'd move Ibuki to front and Juneau to mid though.
@coral wren theres a tierlist in pins that has viable comps. if you have any of those ships, they
can stand a chance against ijn meta.
valid bear
Okay I know that doesn't really count but yesterday I was in #3 just for a seconds and then move to #5 and some hours later to #80 or something, but it was my first time to be in such a hight place, only if just seconds I'm happy that I'm alive
ripe latch
upper sparrow
ripe latch
tierlist never get updates bec zack stop work over it
crude mortar
WELCOME TO THE FOODCHAIN
Okay I know that doesn't really count but yesterday I was in #2 just for a seconds and then move to #2 and some hours later to #2 or something, but it was my first time to be in such a hight place, only if just seconds I'm happy that I'm alive
@zenith tundra this ck is lonely without you
*ch
ripe latch
zenith tundra
the vg power is low tbh
but still 10-0
might be missing affinity or some aux
at the very least it wasn't slow so who knows
shell heron
Perhaps they’re running normal purple boiler and quad mags on yuki
shell heron
when you're only 16 up of me and I dropped 3
vague token
im 2 behind him xD
midnight heron
just be rusher
ebon schooner
midnight heron
nomnomnom
frail orbit
sour oasis
You could fall further... Too low to be food then.
ebon schooner
magic storm
It was a good run, glad I could get something going with my crappy team (Not that crappy but eh)
Now I need to make a real team, gotta get those level up 
shell heron
Zack, I was hoping you would move by now
zenith tundra
lol
i wake up 10min before reset
better ping me but i don't think i can do it any faster tbh. i check my jp account for research and commissions and then i start rushing pvp in en
ebon schooner
rocky shadow
It is possible to get top 50 if i miss 4 attemps?
hot creek
If you're on Sandy you can still reach top 10 even with like 8 missed attempts.
rocky shadow
Good to hear that
upper sparrow
U can even reach top 10 with 10 miss attempt on lexi 
ripe latch
still minnow
rudder-boiler or tk-boiler for high statline CL vg?
zenith tundra
toolkit has better ehp tbh. the only reason to use rudder if against cv that launch at around 20s or cls with eva boost like dido or eva skills like noshiro
ok double checked math and rudder boiler is better in most cases vs bb. low hp ships like jintsuu will still prefer toolkit
zenith tundra
vs nagato
vs azuma
doesn't take into account rudder proc and only 1 toolbox heal
crude mortar
garbagebagn't
ripe latch
baggin after get any 5/10
zenith tundra
@round dome did anyone in cn try richy ws fdg comp? i'm liking it tbh
round dome
Idk, I tried Richy fdg amagi, didn't have good results, couldn't beat namaryuu reliably
zenith tundra
u need ws to carry but imo it has good vg pressure with richy barrage
round dome
I can try later, see how it works against top metas
zenith tundra
if u test let me know. i haven't found much to test against tbh but never reset either
round dome
Sure, will pin you if I see any. It's the middle of the season so metas everywhere 
past egret
Does anyone have the richy pvp testing video
past egret
https://youtu.be/agU8HDbMhbE was This one any good?
zenith tundra
this was closest to a good comp but low vg power
that comp seems too defensive and unfocused to be that good
ripe latch
@zenith tundra this corp looks meme on def , is not it?
round dome
Wait, you mean the fleet in the video or the fleet you posted?
I think the one you posted is the top CN defense meta
zenith tundra
it's strong but fdg just tanks all the focus
i like a lot ws fdg focus on defense but it doesn't really matter when fdg just tanks all the dmg and u just win because they never get to kill 1 backline
round dome
Idk but according to the CN testers, things like ws amagi fdg isn't really good in defense, cuz losing the offense buff lower the chance of ws nuking things, thus the overall winrate isn't as good... But defense winrate is miserable for any comp, they just pick the one that sucks the least 😂
zenith tundra
imo namagi fdg still best defense since it can just rng win against almost anything. the only comp i never lost against that was namagi ws
round dome
Jesus what's wrong today... Used all my refreshes and no meta 
round dome
Yeah, you're right...
zenith tundra
what do u use as aux on fdg usually? i usually use double sg when with namagi. hpfcr on amagi
round dome
Usually rudder and hpfcr, amagi goes full defense with rudder and beaver
zenith tundra
i'm leveling up a 2nd amagi to use rudder armor on for defense, so i can use good setup for offense too
round dome
what a man...
I guess I'm just too lazy... Stopped using serious defense fleets cuz I'm using 457s a lot recently, 10/10 forget to put them back
round dome
Yeah in offense, I mean watching ws + fdg instantly deleting stuffs is fun... Sometimes I can even delete enemy fdg too
zenith tundra
do u ever use both in namagi comps? or only ws fdg ones?
round dome
You mean namagi + ws and namagi + fdg? Yeah I used both a lot, before I got my second 457. Personally I like the one with fdg better, cuz I don't like tanking enemy fdg with my amagi so that my ws can snipe that fdg... Other than that, both gave me similar experience except ws comp seems killing stuffs faster
Btw, did all my fights and no meta comp encountered... Lord what's going on here
zenith tundra
the one problem i found with ws variant was ws fdg amagi on defense would just kill either ws or amagi when put to tank the focus so it was kind of not fun to fight
round dome
Yes exactly that. Atm I just don't no what I can use to tank a fdg expect using mine too.
zenith tundra
so what do u use usually when not testing stuff for offense?
round dome
probably gonna try rudder + beaver izumo, just for the meme
Now I'm using namagi fdg, cuz the other 457 is on my tosa, which I'm leveling now
zenith tundra
i have maxed tosa just for tests... i was surprised by ~80% wr for namagi tosa vs namagi fdg but then namaryuu is almost a nightmare
round dome
😂 yeah good old namaryuu always gonna stab you in the bcak
cinder crater
Is suruga good for pvp
ripe latch
shell heron
If I remember correctly. Suruga is comparable to FdG in tankiness, but not in damage.
coral wren
how much difference in damage
shell heron
don't recall the exact percentage, but should be significant enough.
If it was minor. Suruga would be a t0 ship atm
ebon schooner
stone patio
my current main fleet is Amagi, sara kai, and warspite
crankin out the wins and trashing all of the hiryuus
granite flame
sarakai 
elder crane
Suruga is super embarassing on damage
she'll always be last place among main fleet, with average around 60% or so of Namagi average
very chonk though, vs shelling at least
still, that really only goes so far, especially on defense
on offense, does okay overall, and does pretty well vs any team that tries to focus damage
makes for some reaaaally slow matches occasionally though
anyways, if the role of FdG is just to tank, then Suruga isn't a terrible sub
the more you need FdG dmg output for your team, the more Suruga is
vague token
basically budget friendly
you can get almost fdg tank for only a few bulins, no bp shenanigans necessary
xD
granite flame
whats the general consensus on sovetskaya?
ripe latch
ez for torps
crude mortar
ez
obsidian kite
Torp meme best meme?
sterile bluff
d30 azuma
safe meteor
think French fleet is passable?
Richeliue, Jean Bart, a good 3rd ship (Amagi, FdG or Warspite for example)
Juneau, Saint Louis Yukikaze?
vague token
is 50% a french fleet? xD
red crane
wonder if gascogne would be any good there?
and if there are in torps that with the buffs do better than yuki
zenith tundra
amagi variant is not worth imo. no focused dmg and low dmg overall. when i tested it i never finished a match vs namaryuu in under 1min.
i don't think fdg does much for it either.
ws might be good but i haven't tried it yet.
jb overall is pretty bad unless u get good luck and hit vg early and even then her dmg is not good vs main. i would just forget about her if u want to make a good team.
saint louis is always worse then maxed azuma so u would only use her if u don't have maxed azuma
red crane
saint louis is much more accessible than azuma though
esp for someone like me who did saint louis as my first pr due to me using us ships and starting before pr 2 came
zenith tundra
how is that different then what i said? and i don't think i want to make a comp based on accessibility instead of best possible comp