pvp

[vague token]

smoke should be like 70% on extra procs, but reduce the potency

[still minnow]

imo smoke overall should proc frequently but not last very longf

[vague token]

regular smoke doesnt

5 seconds

[still minnow]

like every 10 seconds and last for 5 seconds

[vague token]

bel smoke is the one that lasts 10

[elder crane]

regular smokes are 5 s

every 15 s

[vague token]

but hers is even more rng

20% after first proc

big lol

[coral wren]

where are those times when cygnet, leander, aurora were meta

[still minnow]

yeah you get your one proc and that's it for you xD

[elder crane]

Aurora is much after those two

[vague token]

people were using leander a bit if i recall

[elder crane]

and Aurora has been meta up until the most recent meta shift basically

[still minnow]

which meta shift booted aurora out? was that pr2?

[elder crane]

Leander/Cygnet saw some use right around their releases, and right around ayaret release, yeah

PR2 yep

Basically Azuma

[vague token]

sanrui 100% bait

[elder crane]

Aurora gets hard wrecked by Azuma
does nothing vs Azuma, gets instantly blown up by Azuma

[coral wren]

iirc they were used to do smth with opening torps

[elder crane]

yeah

[vague token]

opener torps were cause of suicide comp

aka just murder your vg as fast as possible

[elder crane]

Sanrui was soft counter to Aurora

[vague token]

so no shell rng

[elder crane]

it did do better than any other setup

just not by much

[vague token]

maybe, i still found myself losing because juneau died to fast and she cant kill aurora because gun angles

[elder crane]

which btw EN went full sheep on that

[vague token]

and no aux

[elder crane]

Sanrui entered meta before aurora did

which is so kek

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

Still better than any other setup vs aurora, basically

for that time

[vague token]

which is why i just used sheffield

xD

[elder crane]

Yeah, CN dalaos decided that the meta was going to be
Bel < Sheff/Nep < Aurora < Sanrui < Sheff/Nep
And said, for now, just run aurora, everyone runs Sheff/Nep/Bel
which the shift to many ppl running Aurora happened really late for them
but then for some reason Sanrui just exploded in popularity

iirc the guy I followed at the end of that meta period (before PR2 came online) was using Nep

[vague token]

lel

i think nepnod is ok but she doesnt boost ykkz durability xD

[elder crane]

For EN, it went like
Everyone runs Bel
Everyone runs sanrui cause "meeeeeta.... brainz"
Huh, Sheff/Nep is good, eh? We should run that
And then a trickle of ppl running Aurora, especially among the highest rank ppl

[still minnow]

blue how do you feel about using sheffy and jeanne together

[elder crane]

you're not running Azuma/Jun/Ykkz/Noshiro

[ripe latch]

double sheff and juneau

[still minnow]

do you think that could give the vg any tankiness or is trying to make the vg tanky a totally pointless attempt?

[elder crane]

why aren't you running Azuma/Jun/Ykkz/Noshiro

[still minnow]

because theyre meta trash

[upper sparrow]

Anti-meta masterrace

[elder crane]

the issue is you just get a tankier vanguard running Azuma/Jun/Ykkz/Noshiro

so it's a pointless exercise

[upper sparrow]

But he is dont want to use meta trash dude

[still minnow]

I find that hard to believe

[elder crane]

[harsh moon]

Elridge/Jeanne/Sheff for immunity memes

[still minnow]

is there any way for me to test without actually owning all the ships at 120? lol

[elder crane]

Jean+Sheff is a lot less tanky than any two of those 4

so

Sanrui I'll admit probably makes it into a Richi team

Algerie is super :kek:

even with Richi buff, Algerie stats are embarassing as far as I can tell

well, when compared to meta

Sanrui is like, pretty close
which is why she was part of the meta pre-PR2

so I can see her in a Richi team

[upper sparrow]

If u dont test it to enemy with 120lvl ur opinion is not valid after all, also have u ever think u can even defeat 120s meta fleet using non-meta fleet without 120lv in the first place

[elder crane]

Algerie is pretty much worse Azuma even with Richi buff, cmv

[ripe latch]

seems next pvp season on en looks like how bad fleet with riche u can build

[elder crane]

same speed
worse damage
worse survivability

[vague token]

if she was gunboat

would be better

[elder crane]

yep

[vague token]

however one small thing to note is that she does get damage amp on her torps

double oxy suicide

for the memes

[upper sparrow]

Vg gunboat pvp meta

[elder crane]

Sanrui at least has the speed and arguably damage advantage over Azuma
pretty sure Richi boosted Sanrui is still less survivability, though maybe speed helps make up for that

Sounds like a Shitty Ibuki

[vague token]

yep

[elder crane]

[vague token]

if she had shield at 0

she could be fun anti ibuki

block torps

counter with rich barrage

into own torps

would actually be a good design

175% efficiency is workable with 15% damage vs burning

with double oxy suicide

but the shield triggers at 20

aka after you already died to torps

[elder crane]

I prefer my 185% eff double preload tyvm

[vague token]

na if shield triggered at 0/20/40 etc

you just nope torps out

it blocks 5, usually you dont catch that many

[elder crane]

I suppose helps you kill torpmemes

[vague token]

that's the only thing i mean, would be really cool TINY niche

[elder crane]

at least then you can't be "lol can't even win vs torpmemes" for sure

[vague token]

but instead it's 20s

why would you want a torp shield at 20s

[elder crane]

Obviously you tech in Litt too

[vague token]

torps come out at 15-16s with nagato on field

[elder crane]

???

no it's like 18 s lol, even for quad mags

+travel time, 20 s is right timing

[vague token]

that assumes your vg is all the way in the back

xD

[elder crane]

don't forget launch time is a thing

18 s reload on 3 sets of torps = last set launched at 19 s

+mags are super slow

usual travel time between vanguards is like 1-5 s

[vague token]

yeah but still, id rather have some lee way in case vg positions are weird

[elder crane]

quad mags is 25.47 s base load time
even with 250 reload, that's 19.25 s load time

250 reload = Nagato-boosted ykkz/aya, roughly

everyone else, more or less, will be slower

even with Jint buff too, you barely hit 18.5 s load time

280 reload

[vague token]

shouldnt yukikaze have like 220 * 1.4?

with jintsuu?

i think im used to jintsuu timing

xD

[elder crane]

That's still 18 s

[vague token]

on quad?

[elder crane]

yep

[vague token]

should be around 17.25 i thought

or 17.5

or so

[elder crane]

nope

17.83 for 308 reload

close enough

but yeah
maybe with Jint+Nagato boosted quad mag ykkz you have a 50/50 at hitting first torp reload before 20 s

[vague token]

[elder crane]

that's about as good as it gets

[vague token]

either way id still rather it be 0/20

not 20/50/80 lol

[elder crane]

so yeah, the 20 s timing would be relevant, if she reliably survives to 20 s and doesn't die to not-torps soon after

[vague token]

shield doesnt go away over time

would actually make her ok

not good

just ok

[elder crane]

Yep

But yeah, Richi maybe is viable, and if she is, maybe Sanrui and maaaaybe JB are relevant

[vague token]

so many lost opportunities

intrepid same problem

there's a hint of a niche

[still minnow]

riche, jb, dunkek new meta when

[vague token]

but then it's just ruined

[still minnow]

preload out the ass

[vague token]

i too like gambling

kek

id rather just use rich/form/amagi xD

[elder crane]

Richi JB Amagi Torpmemes

[still minnow]

what's wrong with intrepid?

[elder crane]

[vague token]

intrepid has the hint of an anti bb design

[still minnow]

oh yeah

[vague token]

but it's just way too mixed up

[still minnow]

she cant decide what she wants to be

[vague token]

also, her hero plane does flood

[elder crane]

Two skills are half-assed and one is full-assed

[vague token]

yet her own skills have 0 flood

she should have had flood synergy

this would buff her with essex for one

the other essex class with anti bb mods

like, cvs do +damage vs flooded enemies

barrage upgraded when using vt18 or w/e the number is

[still minnow]

they do or are you saying they should do?

[vague token]

they should

then be like: damage modifiers enhance flood vs bb/bc/bbv

boom

[elder crane]

she needs a proper niche aside from just "moar damage lolz" on the barrage planes skill
formation shift should be strengthened, and based of her position in fleet, not sortie count
protection skill needs to be actually relevant at all

[vague token]

sub 20% dr skill on ship with 6.6k base hp

big funny

[still minnow]

also the skill that's trying to be a zombie skill but isn't whatsoever

that one makes no sense to me and seems super out of place in her kit

[elder crane]

yeah, maybe something like
barrage planes preferentially target BB/C/V
applies AB on hitting them
if AB already applied, double damage (on barrage planes)

[vague token]

no, ab makes no sense

her hero plane doesnt have armor break

it's specifically noted that it is her plane in the description

[elder crane]

Or applies flood, and if flood or fire is applied, double damage on barrage planes

[vague token]

either the hero plane gains armor break to match

or her barrage gains flood instead

while enhancing any team flood effectiveness

eg essex focused main comp

[elder crane]

actually, just that + preferential targeting is probably fine

wait

make her a USN CV warkai

[vague token]

oh, wait

[still minnow]

I wish we had a CV that armorbreaks the entire enemy backline

[vague token]

eagle barrages focus main fleet

yeah

that's good

or just cv barrages

buffs essex/sara heavily so their dots actually land

xD

[elder crane]

why not like, all TB or all DB from USN CV/L focus main fleet/ship hit by her barrage
barrage preferentially targets BB/C if second case

[vague token]

i mean, i dont know if they can separate out dive bombers from fighter bombs

[elder crane]

oh, right, that's what I meant

all bombs, or all aviation torps

[vague token]

i think torps would be ideal

skip bombs

[still minnow]

all aerial ordinance

[elder crane]

bombs probably

[vague token]

essex/sara are torp though

[elder crane]

USN is supposed to be about parallel torps

[vague token]

and it makes more sense for her to be paired with essex

[elder crane]

essex barrage is parallel

it wouldn't be affected

[vague token]

yeah, but they can still aim those at main

[elder crane]

mmm

[vague token]

like the distribution

is aimed

[elder crane]

USN is about DB > TB

[vague token]

yeah, except essex isnt

xD

her sister

and her hero plane is a TB

it doesnt make sense to be dive focused

[elder crane]

Essex on non-barrage isn't about TB

[still minnow]

this is kinda weird

[elder crane]

and he's about flood, not about TB

[vague token]

i mean intrepid has hero TB, not hero Dive

[still minnow]

IJN was supposed to be special with ryuuseis, britain special with parralel torps, and america special with helldabber, but america gets a ton of torp CVs?

what is even happening

[vague token]

hell dabber is a trash plane

everyone hated it

[elder crane]

Anyways, I think, given Intrepid barrage is DB, intrepid barrage DB focuses BB/C, all USN CV/L bombs preferentially target what's hit by intrepid barrage

[vague token]

also no a lot of cv barrages are dive for eagle

[elder crane]

Eagle is mostly bombs, yeah

Essex is the only CV exception

[vague token]

sara

[still minnow]

eah snad sara

[elder crane]

Sara is literally no TB setup

and her barrage TB is kinda a joke

[vague token]

the dots are strong

too bad it's literally the opposite of what you want

dots are something you want to spread, not focus onto one ship

[elder crane]

the flood is important, but no more than the two TBs on Enty, which is

[vague token]

[elder crane]

and isn't even reliable

Sara is still mostly about her DBs

[vague token]

sara is 100% about her DBs

[still minnow]

isnt the biggest issue with DOTs just that you want to kill stuff ASAP

[elder crane]

in PvP, yeah

[vague token]

in pve enemies have a ton of aa/hp

although sara packs a lot of utility to get around that

[elder crane]

Yep

[vague token]

dot to ignore aa, guns for close protection, double dive is an amazing burst tool

[elder crane]

600 AA Taihou

and Maya/Choukai

[vague token]

oh and the guns ignore aa too

and vg 15% damage amp

so if you're running dps vgs (common now) you get a lot

[elder crane]

Or just torp-VG

[vague token]

she's a weird swiss army knife

of a kit

[elder crane]

that's part of why Sara sometimes runs Comet/Firefly

[vague token]

also really high hp lol

[elder crane]

more AVI for barrages/DoT
more barrages
times together with torps better

[vague token]

yeh

[still minnow]

you guys think we're ever going to get hpfcr?

I literally dont have one

[elder crane]

HPFCR is almost certainly saved for future event

as is rainbow mags

[vague token]

someday it'll be HP instead of HS for en

right? xD

[elder crane]

FW already has VF-17 for event equip anyways

[vague token]

what kind of localization is high standard

[still minnow]

so you do believe rainbow mags and hpfcr will eventually stop being limited equipment

giving advantages to people that started palying sooner

[vague token]

maybe in pr3

we'll get a creep

[still minnow]

I want sirius' creeps

[vague token]

rainbow straight torps for ultimate gambler

[still minnow]

wtf you on about

have you seen her login line

smh

[vague token]

i have sirius at 120 for when i was doing sara/essex memes but never put her on secretary xD

[vague token]

[tough dirge]

no

one

is

ranking

[still minnow]

do we still not know how the devs choose their retrofit criteria?

is it just "if ship is ijn -> give retrofit"?

[granite flame]

my guess: if ship had a noticeable upgrade, is currently lacking or has room to grow as a better ship/more popular ship -> retrofit

excluding common retrofits

[coral wren]

do i take now?

[vague token]

technically you could wait until reset for them to push more

so dunno

[balmy furnace]

I would take

[hot creek]

I would take

[still minnow]

has a ship with 3 skills gotten a retrofit?

to go to 4 total

I feel like lacking a 3rd skill might be a good tell that a ship's on the table for a retrofit

looks like there are only 4 ships that go to 4 skills

including all-out assault

[vague token]

to be fair, there's a lot of skills nowadays that do a lot of things

[still minnow]

well I see it as kinda a UI limit

once you get to 4 total it doesn't fit into the UI properly

that's probably why they've started squeezing multiple functions into one skill slot

though why they don't just change the UI idk cause that seems like a better solution to me

[vague token]

isnt it a scroll bar now though?

[still minnow]

needing a scrollbar is what I'd call not fitting properly xD

[whole terrace]

if she had shield at 0
she could be fun anti ibuki
@vague token algerie does have shield at 0

If 5 torps don't hit it, it can last long enough to shield vg for the second wave of torps, like in the vid

i don't think any of the vg ships will be relevant cos of Azuma/jun/yuki/noshiro like blue said
but they'll most likely be relevant on amagi server

[vague token]

oh is it, i read it wrong

i thought first was at 20

xD

might be fun meme then

if only it boosted her torp

[whole terrace]

i guess it does against DD's and BB's?

doesn't count for much

[vague token]

yeah =/

[whole terrace]

At least people who missed Noshiro and don't have azuma have some solid vg options from this event

[coral wren]

This person exists just to spite me

free win at least

[shell heron]

Im gonna stop taking 3 matches early. It failed twice now

140 start

[shy hazel]

what spite

not all prs 1s even dev 30

🚮

[coral wren]

my matchups are all terrible

[ripe latch]

better play vs 5/5 namaryuu

[ebon schooner]

154

Not too bad

[vague token]

come hang out with me cay, 141 xD

[karmic forum]

140 start as well

[ripe latch]

if ayaya not proc her eva - she die after 1 torp

[dense flicker]

Pvp sages, at what point do you guys usually decide to stagger your matches past resets (5 and behind), if at all?

[coral wren]

"sages"

[dense flicker]

I'd think its more viable to do so past 1050, but am probably wrong

[coral wren]

p sure they just stay at 6-10 range

since the beggining

[shell heron]

if it's a full 5 behind. I might drop to 2/10 just to catch people that actually move

[dense flicker]

I think i might have ran into you earlier, but i moved

[shell heron]

Although I'll look at that score reference table to see how far behind I really am first

[dense flicker]

Just catching people who move in between logging in to finish comms and the like atm

[coral wren]

they havent moved yet

[shell heron]

perhaps. It's early season so we fight everyone

[coral wren]

its only been 20 mins but im pretty sure their sandbagging already

[jolly lichen]

so since I've come to terms with never getting too high when it matters... what's the best recommended pvp farming fleet...? I'm running enty/farmSlot/warkai, nosh/farmSlot/ykkz... is there a more stable team that perhaps has a higher chance to win against the higher cancers? alternatively is there a cap of fleet power that grants the maximum possible xp per fight?

[coral wren]

replace enty with amagi

and probably noshiro with juneau

[jolly lichen]

amagi is currently my farm slot, but noted thanks

[coral wren]

ofc, ur farmslot cant suck too much

but then noshiro might be better instead juneau cuz if u use juneau that means u literally have a farmslot and nanoda, juneau is there as a health potion

[dense flicker]

I don't think getting high should be a problem unless you're on Avrora atm (not sure how Amagi is shaping up), but generally you don't wanna tank too hard on the farmslots

Do you try to farm exp across the entire season, or after a certain point?

[coral wren]

shouldnt be amagi server cuz noshiro

[jolly lichen]

pretty much straight from the start, and ye I'm on avrora lol

[coral wren]

if u wanna farm xp u should do 5-10 range no matter if u sandbag or not

simply avoids the troublesome fleets

[jolly lichen]

understandable, have a nice day

[silent ocean]

ugh scuffed o well hope i can at least get to lower admiral this season

[ebon schooner]

this is oddly a good start

it'll probably go crashing down within the next week

[crude mortar]

[ebon schooner]

[proper sorrel]

hope one moves

implying they ever will

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Bad start, need to sleep

I think I'll take it easy and hard rush this season

[empty grove]

Btw did Zack get that warning removed?

[crude mortar]

what

what happen?

[vague token]

[karmic lake]

[ionic magnet]

135 start for me

back to having pleb luck

[coral wren]

refresh or take one first

[vague token]

did you save to 10 or take 3 early

[coral wren]

neither? i stay at 0-5 exercises to get more rushers on list

but im very unlucky

[vague token]

oh i meant hooloo here cause he got 135 xD

[coral wren]

oh..

save me what do i do

[vague token]

hard to say on yours

you're at 5/10

you can just save

[coral wren]

eh

[vague token]

not a huge gap in rank, doubtful they'll have a ton of bonus

[coral wren]

i dont want to go to 5-10 range

cuz i oversleep and its gone

[vague token]

ah xD

[crude mortar]

.

[ionic magnet]

did you save to 10 or take 3 early
@vague token i ate 2 early then waited next reset

but they never moved

or was it 3 early

but yea 2 attacks only got me base points

[vague token]

big oof

i did that too

i think cay did as well

xD

i got 141 and he got 140

or something

[charred sable]

No one moved...

[ionic magnet]

its pretty risky tbh
cos those on my list after 3 matches has only ~90 pts
and what sane person will stop there and do their charges after the next reset

ill change strats next season

[vague token]

yeah i feel like holding to 10 is better now

xD

just reset before sleep for big pusher and cash in for 39

[ionic magnet]

what ill do is hold a rusher after the first match

[karmic forum]

First reset was bad but second was worse.

[ionic magnet]

still risky but atleast ill get a guaranteed rusher

and just pray he dont forget to do pvp

[crude mortar]

I rust first 5

[karmic forum]

Last two starts were pretty good so I can't complain

[crude mortar]

but all of them are bagger

[karmic forum]

I'm probably going to sandbag until tuesday then become a rusher

[ionic magnet]

@crude mortar how do you even run out of refreshes
p sure youre using it too much thats why

[crude mortar]

g

gg

ggg

[ionic magnet]

[ionic magnet]

just believe in your list

[crude mortar]

im camping til last 7min

with no refresh

yolo

[karmic forum]

I tend to hold on to my refreshes

[ionic magnet]

only time i use refresh is right after a reset
find some lv90 or lv100s then just pray

[fossil yarrow]

Any PvP expert here?

I would like to ask personally on DM

[karmic lake]

U can pm Kurumi

[fossil yarrow]

Can I ping him?

[karmic lake]

I think so

[fossil yarrow]

@empty grove

I would like to DM you about PvP personally

[empty grove]

Boi

If you want the ins & outs of PVP you can ask @zenith tundra

He does far more testing than I do

[fossil yarrow]

OOF

[raw sapphire]

⛷️

[ionic magnet]

[ebon schooner]

[fossil yarrow]

LOL

[vague token]

he running

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

just ask here everyone is an expert

[vague token]

hello it is me resident memer

let me tell you about the perks of saratoga jk

[zenith tundra]

don't ask me. i stopped carring about doing stuff for other once u get warned for no reason by mods. plenty of other people know pvp well enough around here anyway

[raw sapphire]

minimodding 👀

[fossil yarrow]

Ok ok

If you insist

Hmm....

Lemme show this first

Any suggestion?

[vague token]

what's the strategic goal

[fossil yarrow]

Kind of a trap

Torpedo + Pre-loaded mg

[shy hazel]

im am expert in pvp

[empty grove]

He's so good at PVP he does it without playing

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

[vague token]

you mean he has someone else play for him

xD

s tier

[shy hazel]

no hands

[crude mortar]

DO I

REALLY

NEED TO EAT

-1

AT THE TIME LIKE THIS OF THE NEW SEASN

[shy hazel]

its your fault for not moving early

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

i dont even remember the reset time

[ionic magnet]

-1 on first day

you making new records

[shy hazel]

but wasnt it

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

3 hours ago

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

that's a lot of pixels

i think if i was to meme with preload/torps, i would actually run tashkent/ibuki/x

increase the odds of a shell or torp landing

still rng

but might reduce it a bit

[fossil yarrow]

Hai

Any suggestion for Richelieu gun?

Main gun, tbf

[zenith tundra]

hope u like 50% hit rating with that build

[fossil yarrow]

What do you think?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think is the right place to ask since en still doesn't have richy to begin with

mk6 seems to be better tbh

twin 406 has better dps due to fire uptime but u actually need to set fires for it to be better

[fossil yarrow]

What is mk6 one?

[zenith tundra]

the one u are using

[vague token]

mk6 = triple 406 HE

(the purple rarity)

[fossil yarrow]

Erm

But I equip American BB Gun tho...

[zenith tundra]

it's even in jp name

MK6

[ebon schooner]

cmon son

[fossil yarrow]

twin 406?

Which one?

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Battleship_Guns

You mean FdG gun?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[fossil yarrow]

Oic

Fair

[zenith tundra]

there are only 2 twin 406 and only 1 is good

[fossil yarrow]

This one?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[fossil yarrow]

Oki

If I want to play PvE, I will switch to another one with B Shell and W Shell

[vague token]

too bad her fire doesnt scale xD

[fossil yarrow]

ikr

[zenith tundra]

as i said earlier mk6 should be better. at least when i tried her it definitely felt better then twin 406. on paper twin 406 does more dmg the more fires u set and less shells u land but i don't think it should perform better in practice

[crude mortar]

ANOTHERONEBITETHEDUST

easy point

gotta double camp

[ebon schooner]

29

i got a 33 earlier

[zenith tundra]

i got 26 total bonus score in 2nd sandbag reset in jp

if we are flexing bonuses

[crude mortar]

they start moving

they stop moving

[vague token]

hmm rich/suruga/amagi sounds fun

or maybe rich/amagi/fdg

hmmmm

[zenith tundra]

richy is a 3.9% dr on a 75% barrage chance 🚮

[crude mortar]

ez katka

[zenith tundra]

suruga is better in any way if u want to dr meme

[blazing scroll]

Why is there a QE

[zenith tundra]

and also forgot a 70% burn chance on a 75% barrage

[crude mortar]

tanker

[blazing scroll]

No amagi?

[crude mortar]

110 atm

111

[blazing scroll]

Or be like me and use WS, Enty, Essex

[crude mortar]

I dont have essex

[blazing scroll]

[crude mortar]

is this eatable or should I wait?

is it roasted yet

or still raw

[blazing scroll]

You can still wait 10 mins

[zenith tundra]

if someone doesn't move for more then 3-5min just attack

u can wait more but there isn't much time left

[crude mortar]

he dont move

i smell bag

[rocky shadow]

Why not attack the second player?

The score is higher than you

[crude mortar]

@zenith tundra

explain to him thx

[zenith tundra]

[zenith tundra]

he gets more bonus points from leftmost opponent

[crude mortar]

@rocky shadow go watch that link

and come join the foodchain

[rocky shadow]

Isnt bonus point just for first attempt right?

[crude mortar]

[rocky shadow]

The next attack will be based point

[ionic magnet]

sandbagging guide when

[crude mortar]

^

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

WOAH

all accoarding to keiukaku

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

3 BONUS

[ionic magnet]

now make sure you dont sleep on a reset

[crude mortar]

how

to not

sleep on reset

in impossibnle

either eat -1 and go to sleep

or wake up and suffer

[vague token]

so you eat -1

so you can have good sleep

[zenith tundra]

@rocky shadow u can get bonus points from all attempts if opponents move

[vague token]

[hot creek]

If I make a guide, I will rename it to camping. The days of "sandbag" will be over

[crude mortar]

^

do it

\

filthy sandbagger

[ionic magnet]

everyone calls it sandbag and i still dont know why

[ionic magnet]

[crude mortar]

look these filthy

[ionic magnet]

wow you hit the jackpot

atleast 3 are sandbaggers

[crude mortar]

ima reset after 2 min

after reset

[zenith tundra]

i know galfarion is for sure a sandbagger

[crude mortar]

kurisu also bagger

[ionic magnet]

sane paul too

[zenith tundra]

ur score sucks anyway that's why u end up with all sandbaggers

[ionic magnet]

he becomes a rusher on 2nd week or so tho

[rocky shadow]

@zenith tundra wdym with opponents move (in term of score)?

[zenith tundra]

they use their attempts

[ebon schooner]

sane paul rushes

[crude mortar]

what the

I reset already

[ebon schooner]

but i think he sandbags like 1st week

than rushes 2nd week

[crude mortar]

ofc

[ebon schooner]

thats why you should save a refresh or two before reset

so you can avoid other campers

[crude mortar]

why before reset

[zenith tundra]

if u refresh 1s after reset doesn't change anything since no one had time to move yet

[shell heron]

Ah.

I blanked out 10 minutes before reset

Yep, that be -3 matches at the start of the season. I might just take a break instead

[cerulean estuary]

i dont know which is faster

my 3 minutes no cook noodles or
attacking a full IJN namaryu fleet

[vague token]

just be fancier, add egg and frozen veggies

xD

[shell heron]

You know what. I'll sandbag til commander rank. Then I become food

Imagine being stalled by sleep

[frail orbit]

just be fancier, add egg and frozen veggies
Add bacon lah

You know what. I'll sandbag til commander rank. Then I become food
Same. Me got stalled by shitty pediatrician who got late at her own lecture smhw zzz

[crude mortar]

I referesh 40s after reset

ibelievetocatchrusher

[silent ocean]

this makes the fifth pvp team ive seen this season what is wrong with people lol

[jovial sedge]

They are knowledgable... Ask asians making more and mire loli ships. Loli version of nice adult ships

[silent ocean]

trying to think is there a cap on bonus points you can get

[zenith tundra]

base scorex2-1 is max point per attempt

[silent ocean]

i see ty

[crude mortar]

is this eatable or should I wait

[hot creek]

wait

[crude mortar]

[blazing scroll]

At 2k rank difference they're ripe for the picking

[indigo relic]

Why can I win? Can someone explain?

[hot creek]

surprising that you did. perhaps you just got lucky in every regard. WSKai whiffing her barrages, Enty not proccing Lucky E. You getting a good torp opening.

[zenith tundra]

poorly equipped opponent sounds more like it

[crude mortar]

this is rng

she can either so good or absolute garbage

@ionic magnet

[fossil yarrow]

OOF lol

Btw guys

Got any nice RNG from merit store?

[ionic magnet]

lol grats

havent seen that thing in like a week

[zenith tundra]

i haven't brought anything in like 3 days

for having 2 preload i haven't seen 1 fight under 1min in 10 attempts

might be even slower then full defensive namagi fdg

this seems to be working better

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

saint feels better for clearing vg but azuma seems to survive more... idk who to pick for vg

[ripe latch]

but french team with only one ship its

[zenith tundra]

who tf wants to make a french team

i want to make a pvp team

[crude mortar]

[rocky shadow]

Guys, is 10 attempt with sandbag good try?

[zenith tundra]

wdym?

[karmic lake]

[crude mortar]

[rocky shadow]

I wait my attempt until 10/10 then play before reset

The bonus point is based on player movement right?

Sorry if i too many ask

[zenith tundra]

u have to attack every time someone moves and will give bonus points

[rocky shadow]

But it will be same if i wait?

[zenith tundra]

no because then u can get different people in list that can move too

which leads to more bonuses

not just 1

[rocky shadow]

I see

When PVP reset the enemy in screen reset right?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[rocky shadow]

I mean change enemy

[zenith tundra]

opponents in list only change after a refresh or after end of season if u relog

[rocky shadow]

Yeah i mean after refresh

Like at 2 pm enemy list is my pvp Will be different

[zenith tundra]

i think u don't know the difference in between resets and refreshes

resets are when u get more attempts which is at predefined intervals

refreshes is the button on the right that has the O like symbol

[rocky shadow]

Isnt interval reset enemy list in your list will be change?

[zenith tundra]

nope u can have 1 list for an entire season if u never use refreshes or do 1 attempt

[rocky shadow]

Hmm ok, so the point is just 5 attempt before reset right?

[zenith tundra]

yes so u don't lose them

since u can have max of 10 at a time

[rocky shadow]

In case of mt should i use my attempt after mt finished or not?

[zenith tundra]

that's up to everyone to decide for themselves if they want to risk losing attempts to bad maintenances or just wait for more bonuses

same goes for going 0/10 before maintenance or not

i added that score to the spreadsheet

[rocky shadow]

@distant bone so i will get bonus point if i attack kb1011?

But isnt rank 12 have more season score than you?

Wait isnt lower rank get more base point?

[zenith tundra]

to simplify a bit u would get bonus points if u were in that situation

[crude mortar]

summary of how t osandbagging

[rocky shadow]

Hmm maybe i just follow attack before reset then

[crude mortar]

you need to camp

[zenith tundra]

[rocky shadow]

Im still not understand about bonus point

[zenith tundra]

just reread what i said earlier

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

forget people saying confusing stuff

[rocky shadow]

@zenith tundra attack every time if someone move

What i get is if my most left enemy is rank 123 then when i relog he move to 100

I should attack him? To get bonus point

[zenith tundra]

if someone is pushing wait around 5min to make sure he's done

after the last time u saw him moving

[rocky shadow]

So why attack before reset important? Isnt the enemy didnt move because he have use all his attempt

[zenith tundra]

attacking before end of reset means u can have different people in list that can also move and gives u chances for more bonuses

if u wait on all attempts all reset u can only get 1 match with bonus points

while using them when u can get bonus score u can even have all 5 of them with bonuses

[rocky shadow]

So because the enemy have use all their attempt (attack before reset) the chance i will get bonus point higher than use attempt when after reset?

[crude mortar]

zack then

zack now:

[zenith tundra]

i mostly meant as equip setups

not sandbagging

[crude mortar]

ok

[rocky shadow]

Im sorry if i ask too many time

[crude mortar]

its fine

its like growing pig to eat later

[rocky shadow]

How about my question above?

[zenith tundra]

u want to wait as much as possible with chances for opponents to move so waiting on max possible attempts gives the best chance. but practically there is no reason to wait if someone already can give u a bonus since it's better at that point to attack and get different people in list that might not have used their attempts yet

[glacial locust]

with these ships and these ships only what could be the best pvp fleet? https://imgur.com/a/KzDCqX1

[crude mortar]

lvling them to 120

[rocky shadow]

If some cases i can attack before reset (im in sea)

[crude mortar]

whats other 100+ ship

[glacial locust]

@crude mortar mostly lvl 1 that I'll level up (centaur, taihou, sandy to retro and u-subs) and waifu collection

thanks for the fleet ❤️

[zenith tundra]

attacking before reset doesn't change much other then u give up chances for extra bonuses. it's better to use attempts without bonuses then losing them

[crude mortar]

lvling them

you need lvl 115+ ship to fight 120

any lvl 100 ship gonna get anihilated by 120 anyway

even 115 still getting destroyed by 120

[glacial locust]

yeah, lvling them is omw

[crude mortar]

I rather use lv 120 cassin over lv 100 yukikaze

I rather use lv120 oklahoma over lv100 tosa

[rocky shadow]

Thx everyone, now i little bit understand about bonus point

[crude mortar]

lvl 120 deal 140% damage to lv100

if you using lvl 100 ship vs 120 ship

you gonna had a bad time

[glacial locust]

bullied by big lvls ships

[crude mortar]

if you see these 3

avoid

[glacial locust]

ye the holy trinity...

[crude mortar]

newb filter fleet

[coral wren]

oh my

shouldnt u avoid if u see

[rocky shadow]

Should i attack amagi first?

[coral wren]

is dangerous as well if u dont have good bb

[rocky shadow]

Amagi buff nagato

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen that comp at all in jp

[coral wren]

nakaga?

F

[zenith tundra]

is that comp any harder then namagi bb kaga?

[coral wren]

[rocky shadow]

The problem of ijn fleet is the vg

[upper sparrow]

Whats wrong with ijn vg? They have and fatzooma

[marsh bane]

My lord, that bonk picture is actually hilarious

[rocky shadow]

Make attacker harder to attack them

[crude mortar]

[upper sparrow]

azuma emote when

[balmy furnace]

Ibuki isn't in IJN vanguard?

[crude mortar]

ibuki is ijn...

[zenith tundra]

technically speaking that's the purpose of defense fleets but people just like memes and waifus more

[upper sparrow]

[crude mortar]

wait until you meet these3

[balmy furnace]

[crude mortar]

you'll understand

[manic shuttle]

i got demolished by them most of my attempts 😄

[upper sparrow]

U forgot and for good ol' torpmeme

[rocky shadow]

Is jintsuu still worth for pvp?

[crude mortar]

usable on offense

[upper sparrow]

For def. fleet torpmeme, for offense is too much rely on rng

[rocky shadow]

Ok then i will try to get jintsuu

[upper sparrow]

Good luck on getting her

[rocky shadow]

Well now i try to make safe lvl on 10 4 hm

[coral wren]

jintsuu isnt that hard...

probably

[balmy furnace]

I got 2 Jintsuus making 10-4 safe

easy

[coral wren]

damn i only got 1 during the safe process

[balmy furnace]

[upper sparrow]

Just get lucky

[coral wren]

wise words

i think i got sendai at like map 40% or smth

[balmy furnace]

but isn't Noshi the better Jintsuu?

[upper sparrow]

Just use both of them together

[rocky shadow]

Idk but my vg keep dying so i just get a rank

Ik manual is the solution but im never manual except submarine

[coral wren]

jintsuu noshi ayaya

[rocky shadow]

Torp meme fleet

[coral wren]

i use it

it works

somehow

[rocky shadow]

For defense?

[upper sparrow]

Just use 120lv fleet for jintsuu boss hm lethal

Her torp is pretty wacky for vg

If u dont have 120lv fleet manual is the only way kek

[rocky shadow]

If i get the threat to safe, can i get s guarantee?

Im using lvl 120 fleet and auto

But still her trop wreck my vg

[upper sparrow]

Yeah u can, as long u use tanky ship like noshi or portkai

better to ask for more detail in gameplay-help or mod will bonk us for casual gameplay topic

[rocky shadow]

Alright

For pvp, hood better use shs or sg?

[ripe latch]

ayaya not good for trp team

[rocky shadow]

But not everyone have ibuki

[crude mortar]

everyone can have ibuki

not everyone have dev30

[rocky shadow]

Everyone can have ibuki but not all have develop her

That what i mean

[karmic lake]

[coral wren]

what is that emote

[crude mortar]

torp bulg helena!

just hit lv10

torp bulg helena noshiro

65% torp reduction!!!111

[coral wren]

how much do u hate torp teams

[ripe latch]

hate torps or hate degen corps with fdg/azuma 30 and juneau

[coral wren]

ye

fdg azuma d30 is scarie

havent met one yet and please dont show up on aotn rush

[shell heron]

only person I know that has that rn is Trump and possibly Famine by now

Phoenix is either there or close

[vague token]

i dont know how i got the other pr2s to dev 30 when i havent focused them lol

[shell heron]

what are your other dev levels?

[ripe latch]

nagato with toolbox

[elder crane]

You get more than enough just incidentally

[vague token]

i need more levels on seattle but she's dev 29 with 72 bps so she's done

georgia and kita are also dev 30

i have 336 gascan bps

so that's probably done too

they're all fuel for pr shop

xD

[elder crane]

I've done 0 focus for them yet have all dev 30
And have funded buying 14 DR gen prints so far

That's, what
322 extra prints?

• A few more I haven't cashed in right now

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

Spent all my pr2 gens on pr1 fs

[vague token]

meanwhile azuma is 24 and fdg is 21

long road ahead

[crude mortar]

ez

3 reset

[ripe latch]

*4...

[valid bear]

A dude from #2

I have been never be such close it's my first time doing PvP „seriously”

It's such a fun

and hello all from this channel I'm new here , maybe I don't write but I read your discussions. It's very interesting

[ripe latch]

hello on world with fdg and azuma dev 30

[crude mortar]

welcome to the foodchain

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

It'll probably be a good 2 or 3 months before we see dev 30 DRs become "mainstream" and even so there will still be plenty of people behind.

Although, what you should be afraid of now is 457mm

[coral wren]

[ebon schooner]

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra does fdg barrage change much (dps wise or even hit chance) if you put her non mid?

[zenith tundra]

nope

it works the same anywhere

i use it foe sniping tbh

[finite valve]

you usually put her mid in ws amagi comp or amagi mid?

was thinking of putting amagi mid since she got better eva

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use amagi mid

medium vs nagato is bad

most of the time i prefer ws mid

[finite valve]

from sniper to tank duty

guess it come with the comp

thanks

[hot creek]

talking about barrages in pvp channel? brave

[ebon schooner]

enjoy your ban

[still minnow]

would you use comet or DB cuda on taihole?

[vague token]

i use db cuda

[still minnow]

and you'd also use DB cuda on formi?

[vague token]

yes

xD

[still minnow]

does having 2 CVs both with DB cuda have negative downsides?

[vague token]

no? it's for crash

no aiming bugs

[still minnow]

ok not for armor break at all?

[vague token]

;)

[finite valve]

unless you are doing timing shit

[vague token]

correct

[finite valve]

just slap BiS for them

[vague token]

it's purely to slam as many no dice roll hits on main as possible

[still minnow]

yeah timing allows me to choose between comet and DB cuda and reppu

for the dive bombers on taihole and formi

how can I figure out how DB bomb damage is calculated?

I want tos ee how big the drop in DPM is from heccdabber -> suisei

[vague token]

grab base damage of bomb from dive page

then go to combat page and jump to final weapon damage

[upper sparrow]

DB cuda have crash damage same as torp cuda?

[still minnow]

so armor break only works on shelling and nothing else?

that's kiindof a useless ability...

[vague token]

yep

[still minnow]

for some reason I had assumed it works on like

you know

guns

that hit the target

well good thing I checked

[vague token]

here's my current meme

[still minnow]

feed it to me