pvp

[zenith tundra]

is she better then saint? i don't think so unless u face torp

she is also much slower overall like 24 vs 34

[ripe latch]

just want test saint + d'ark + algerie with buff

but comp very slow

[zenith tundra]

if u want to u can meme whatever u want

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

i have a feeling some people will just like this team as they like torp memes

[ripe latch]

torp counter vg

[zenith tundra]

btw jb base evasion is really high

just shitty luck

[coral wren]

How is richelieu?

along with bart and gasc can frenchies theoretically become a thing like hms to a certain degree or nah

[zenith tundra]

gascogne is better forgotten

[coral wren]

ah, for some reason Richelieu has more fp than gascogne, lol

[zenith tundra]

richelieu stats are pretty broken

[coral wren]

the thing that really saddens me tho is that it's libre ships that are getting dmg buff, not dominion

[vague token]

to be fair adding 7% damage on jb's +80% manual boost is going to be nothing

[ionic magnet]

did zack just sleep on a reset

dont see him on leaderboards

[ripe latch]

he put resets to found u

[karmic forum]

Anyone get me for this reset?

Probably not because I pushed super late

[proper sorrel]

people flexing their dev30 oathed fdg in JP... and i lose to them

[sour oasis]

EN too

[coral wren]

well, it should be better then reduction just because (my wild guess) you want to go full offensive with frenchies, if you want stall you go ijn and 7% dmg buff would be much noticeable on both jb and algeria

[vague token]

i mean, even 7% with 1.4 for first shot isnt a ton for jb

going from 1.4 to 1.47 is eh

[zenith tundra]

i did indeed sleep on 4 attempts but that diesn't change anything since i couldn't have played the rush anyway so no chances for rank 1

[gritty cove]

What kind of equipment are you guys running on Azuma

[vague token]

currently armor/gyro

for me

[ionic magnet]

rudder+gyro for general use

VH armor is an option if you can work around enemy torps/CVs

[gritty cove]

Yeah doing armor and gyro too

[frail orbit]

Rudder gyro here
Still wary on torpmemes

[upper sparrow]

Why not torp bulge on her instead for torp counter

[frail orbit]

Treat her as ur usual CA

But need extra speed + accuracy anyway so gyro

[hot creek]

rudder gyro

[elder crane]

Torp bulge is a lot worse vs everything else
and still doesn't help vs CVs

Azuma has BB/C levels of base eva and HP

[vague token]

torp bulge is better on lead juneau and just hope the aoe doesnt clip midzuma if you have problems like that

[vague token]

oops there goes another xD

[naive dome]

is eldrige juneau yukikaze viable on a non-IJN comp ?

[sour oasis]

Defensively? Mildly annoying.
Offensively, might will get torched by BBs. You would need an insane backline to continually pump out damage as you pray for Rainbow to activate every time.

[glacial shuttle]

so Namaspite > WFC?

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

wait okabe pushed

thanks for ss

nvm still not enough

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile my list so dead

Now at 2221 smhw zzzz

Got 12 11 11 11 11 but for the next shit wont get another 11 keks

[karmic forum]

Just pushed

If anyone has me on their lists

[light crystal]

I guess you guys have seen this already? Baguette Fleet finally viable in PvP :v

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3umSpARjHI'

Tho tbf, it was against a Non Dev-35 Fleet. Still, good enough for proof of concept.

[vague token]

more like double debuff fleet

;)

[light crystal]

Damn, and I thought Jeanne was on the weaker side, offensive-wise. Guess she can carry her weight then lol

[ionic magnet]

i cant really gauge that fleet when he just tested against a bad namagi

1 shell and azuma has half hp

[ebon schooner]

lack of juneau

[light crystal]

Nah, fuck Juneau. If she ruins the whole FLeet synergy, then trying to shoehorn in foricbly cuz "lol, heal" is not a good idea.

[ebon schooner]

i mean for opponent

[light crystal]

Well yeah, Opponent wasn't optimal as I pointed out before. But still, it shows the proof of concept.

[vague token]

juneau doesnt ruin fleet synergy though

faction synergy is forced xD

true synergy is stuff like formi ;)

[ionic magnet]

wait hfcr works on richie?

[vague token]

it adjusts first load time

so first one doesnt trigger load

so it should

?

[ionic magnet]

well the guy in vid used it so yea prolly

[vague token]

yeah mechanics wise it should be fine

there's no "loading" for preload

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

personally i wouldnt use it

id rather sync with formi with 406 or something

[light crystal]

When the Healer decides to go AFK

[midnight heron]

just found another 1 of those non meta fleets dat can actually consistently force a reset

[hot creek]

bruh

ok what comp/equip/positioning are you using exactly?

post pls

[midnight heron]

when im done with hm

im using namaspite so backline positioning shud be obv

[midnight heron]

https://imgur.com/a/8jNAyPL (click the link its an album)

[hot creek]

hm. Looks fine mostly, underleveled Azuma is kinda sketchy tho. The only reason(s) you should be losing this comp are if your Juneau explodes too early or if enemy Nagato has infinite proc works™ which is just standard RNG. Maybe you should put a torp bulge on Juneau or something. Either way, you really shouldn't be having many issues against that comp. It's not even a Hiryuu comp either.

[ionic magnet]

lead azuma vs torp meme

what can possibly go wrong

[zenith tundra]

i use azuma tank against torp all the time

[rocky shadow]

Isnt ca weakness is trp?

Because ca is slow

[zenith tundra]

armor is the worse enemy vs torp followed by speed

[ionic magnet]

note: lv116 and what looks like non d25 azuma

[zenith tundra]

idk i usually rather lose azuma then juneau too early anyway

[upper sparrow]

U will eat a lot of torp if ur vg moving too fast anyway

[rocky shadow]

Well torp fleet is rng

Sometimes i can almost kill enemy vg because their ship come to my torp fleet

But sometimes doesnt

[ionic magnet]

yea thats what torps do

[crude mortar]

[shy hazel]

when will they raise lvl cap

[midnight heron]

ive even had problems against a suboptimal gear torp comp AFTER i swapped azuma for noshiro

kinda sketchy tbh

guy was running yuki sendai jintsuu with oxy + repair kit

namaryuu backline

and before anyone asks yes my noshi was 120

dats y i can never understand how u guys keep claiming torp comps r ez targets

[ionic magnet]

easy targets? i've been saying all this time that torp namagis are the best comp for def

[midnight heron]

some ppl here certainly claim its ez pickings

[ionic magnet]

i mean they only win like 10-15% of the time so technically its still an easy win

[midnight heron]

not for me tho

i think i tested 4x against dat torp comp

and got 50% wr

[ionic magnet]

ehh with 116 azuma?

thats kinda expected tbh

[midnight heron]

i just said i swapped with noshi lul

[ionic magnet]

how many matches?

[midnight heron]

4x bruh

[ionic magnet]

hard to say with just 4

[midnight heron]

either way it just felt consistent

[ionic magnet]

idk i dont think its impossible but yea just rng ig

[midnight heron]

i mean torp comps r supposed to be squishy by dis channel's standards

yet they consistently live way past 20s

even with naga barrage

[ionic magnet]

yea idk abt those ppl but they prolly havent faced the good torp namagis

[midnight heron]

and im definitely sure of the gear theyre using

i see heals

and i see 15k fleet power

so vg was definitely toolkit + oxy

maybe 1 oxy swaped for boiler but dats the most variation possible

[rocky shadow]

Use aurora to counter torp fleet

[ionic magnet]

thing is

the ratio of good to bad torp memes

is like 1:10

maybe less

[midnight heron]

yea but wat constitutes a gud torp comp

im pretty suer no one here recommends toolkit

[ionic magnet]

so they get laughed at in this channel

[midnight heron]

yet im losing to ppl using it

[rocky shadow]

Usually people use oxy + anti torp

[ionic magnet]

good ones never use 2x oxytorps on anyone

[rocky shadow]

Or oxy + rudder

@ionic magnet im using 2oxy on my aya

[ionic magnet]

yea i pity your aya

[midnight heron]

[rocky shadow]

Yeah but i work sometime so it fine

[ionic magnet]

you can make it better

[rocky shadow]

I mean aya is not tanky like yuki so just full damage on aya

[ionic magnet]

thats the common misconception

"full dmg" but you know how much an oxytorp boost torp dmg?

[midnight heron]

ive seen aya be last man standing on torp comps tho

cuz demon dance eva is no joke

[ionic magnet]

1 oxy is around 10-15% dmg boost depending on the ship

you really want to trade that to ~20% hp? which is a big deal esp for DDs

you miss the 2nd torp salvo and you p much wasted 100% of your dmg already

[rocky shadow]

So what gear for my aya?

[ionic magnet]

all for that "15% dmg boost"

[rocky shadow]

Rudder?

[ionic magnet]

no

not rudder on dd

put toolbox/boiler instead and at most 1 oxy

[rocky shadow]

Alright

[ionic magnet]

goal is to keep them alive til atleast the 2nd torp salvo

and losing your entire VG early just means you lose the game so

[midnight heron]

another problem i hav is wat u guys say about having underlvled ship

ive fought comps with underlvled backline and they still put up a decent fight

yet when i use an underlvled frontline everyone just points to it and says it like its the sole reason im having to reset

and if my example above hasnt done so, swapping it out for a 120 doesnt change the results much

[crude mortar]

just lvling to 120

is that hard?

[midnight heron]

idk if u being sarcastic but w/e

i still dont believe lvling to 120 will make THAT much of a diff

which many try to make me believe

my wr wont go from 50 - 80 just cuz i got 4 more lvls

[inner zenith]

lost 5 runs from oversleeping

[midnight heron]

which again ive kinda shown in my above example

120 does not create miracles

[rocky shadow]

Maybe your gear isnt optimal

Or you didnt use good ship for pvp

[midnight heron]

nah its pretty clear those r not the problems

[rocky shadow]

Can you share your ship on pvp?

[midnight heron]

its already posted above

[rocky shadow]

Ohh, have you tried switch azuma with noshi?

[midnight heron]

yea i mentioned dat as well

[rocky shadow]

Or use this
Noshi jeanue azuma

[midnight heron]

the only conclusion im gonna come to is oath bonuses playing a huge part

which ive mentioned a long time ago

my ships r all unoathed

[rocky shadow]

I mean you have namaspite

[midnight heron]

but ppl seem to just brush it off like it doesnt matter

[rocky shadow]

What rank you want get?

[midnight heron]

i always get aotn

dats not an issue anyway

[rocky shadow]

So, why complain then? Many people want to use namagi (include me)

You have good fleet (almost meta)

[midnight heron]

cuz my battle results r incongruent to wat its claimed to be

i dont see the 80-85% wr even after i use a full 120 fleet

[rocky shadow]

How many your wr?

[midnight heron]

its closer to 50-60 depending on rng

[rocky shadow]

That in your profile?

[midnight heron]

no

ur profile wr doesnt prove anything cuz u can reset

wat im stating is actual battle wr

[rocky shadow]

Well sometime meta fleet is didnt good as it seems

[midnight heron]

against properly geared fleet ofc

[rocky shadow]

But it better than using non meta fleet

[midnight heron]

[rocky shadow]

Just use any good ship that you have

Thats it

[midnight heron]

anyway rant over thanks for coming to my ted talk

[rocky shadow]

👍

[hot creek]

Noshio and torp bulge stack should eliminate pretty much all of torp memes RNG

I can't see how you lose if you do that, besides Nagato infinite procs of course

[crude mortar]

but noshiro herself is also a part of torpmeme

lv116 and 120 pretty big difference

taking 8% extra damage and dealing 8% less dmg

with lower stat

and evasion/accuracy also affacted by lvl differences

[midnight heron]

ik theres a diff but not so much so that its gonna make a 30% wr diff

dats my point

rmb its only ONE ship

[crude mortar]

if you survive with red health 10 more sec it could change something

espcially a ship like azuma

it might not happen every run but it definitely going to happen once/twice in 10 run

[midnight heron]

see im not denying the fact dat it can happen

wat im denying is the claim dat its gonna make a 30% wr diff

gets pretty annoying when i keep getting responses on the lines of "just get to 120 and all ur problems solved"

no it doesnt

[crude mortar]

still better than 116 isn't it

[midnight heron]

well duh but again dats not my issue

[crude mortar]

from my experience ship lvl 116 alot weaker than 120

a lot

[midnight heron]

my issue is with the specific claims

is it dat hard to understand

[crude mortar]

I mean

get her to 120 and try again

there is no reason to not lvling her to 120 unless you need oil for event

[midnight heron]

how r u guys assuming im not lvling her

[crude mortar]

which is might be the case

[midnight heron]

u guys saw her at 105/110

now its 116

dats not the issue

so stop deflecting the problem

[crude mortar]

cuz people think you againts the lvling

I know what you mean

[coral wren]

idk dude, at this point yall beating a dead horse, maybe you do need to oath more ships 🤷

[crude mortar]

the way you talk might cause people think you refuse to lvling her

thats why

[midnight heron]

its just very frustrating trying to communicate with ppl about certain things i find a problem with, and get the template response every time

[crude mortar]

welcome to society

[midnight heron]

dats a fair assessment tho ngl

[hot creek]

Noshiro- Pearl/Bulge, Juneau Boiler/Bulge, Yukikaze- Boiler/FE. This VG literally cannot be cheesed by pure torp teams. If you're still losing to torp teams at that point then Im going to need video evidence with multiple battles back to back. The only way you can lose is if they manage to snipe a backline with hard crits everytime before Juneau can heal and/or Nagato infinte procs, which is unlikely.

[midnight heron]

duly noted then if i ever come across i let u know

[coral wren]

jw haloist do you sandbag

[midnight heron]

i dont sandbag to hardcore lvls

[crude mortar]

play avrora server and join the food chain

[midnight heron]

nowadays i sandbag only to avoid top rank def fleets

once i get to 10/10 i immediately go 5/10

[ionic magnet]

main issue here is you're so convinced that you have 50% winrate after just 4 fights
i've had a few tests before too where i started with 3 losses and then proceeded to win the next 15 or so fights
so if i stopped at 4 matches does that mean i only have 25% winrate? answer is no obv

[crude mortar]

[midnight heron]

ik bruh but given dat ive faced the same fleet before a few times back it just seemed to be the case

obv i cant claim its 100% accurate cuz relying on memory is shit

[ionic magnet]

just call it rng and move on

atleast until you test properly

[crude mortar]

they add albacore to pvp shop,does it mean I have less chance to buy cube with 2k point?

[ionic magnet]

your shop has cubes?

mine is non existent

[crude mortar]

I have some

[hot creek]

cube in shop was really rare anyways. so a change from something like 1% to 0.8% chance is not really a loss.

[ionic magnet]

resident cat hiding them well

can i rant also about my last 457 BP not dropping for a week now

[karmic forum]

Rant some more

I got 2 bp drops right after I complained about not getting any bps

[crude mortar]

im 19/50now

[hot creek]

wow, my last one only took 2 days

[ionic magnet]

i even stopped cube researches entirely my god

[inner zenith]

18/50 here

:\

[crude mortar]

maybe thats the reason why it doesn't appear

maybe they have whale detecting system

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

Its all in your head

[crude mortar]

[hot creek]

Im at 9/50 now, maybe I can surpass you two

[ionic magnet]

last week im so looking forward to testing that new toy

now im just w/e dude

[hot creek]

feelsbadman

[inner zenith]

share rng

and rituals

:c

[karmic forum]

Take purple G and Q researches

[hot creek]

No, I need the second 457mm for most optimal Warspite/Amagi/FDG comp

[ionic magnet]

tfw nagato is getting benched before i even get her

[crude mortar]

[hot creek]

I still think Namagi is better overall, especially if using Azuma. Although this comp certainly has its perks, FDG is not as op as I initially thought. 0 luck stat really dampens her in both eHP and accuracy. She is still kinda RNG in that regard, her x factor being big ass crits. I think NamagiWS still more reliable overall for offense.

[inner zenith]

i think if we offer phoenixF to the rng gods we might all get 457 bps

[small cypress]

Is helena goingg to be in pvp tier list?

[shell heron]

I don't think so. The changes is not enough to make her worth using over current vanguard picks

[dry agate]

I look in channel only to see my question answered

[ripe latch]

[past egret]

[whole terrace]

just found another 1 of those non meta fleets dat can actually consistently force a reset
i dont see the [Namagi] 80-85% wr even after i use a full 120 fleet
@midnight heron Forcing a single reset is pretty insignificant. In the most extreme cases, when I was testing warkai amagi hiryuu once, I literally lost the first game before winning the next 9.

As for the 80-85% win rate thing, these are things that people in the channel have done a good job of testing over time. If you want to seriously debunk what they’re saying, it would only be sensible to also test over time.

[elder crane]

120/200, oath matters quite a bit
Also equip selection is a major thing

That's why it's to test vs unknowns
95% of Namagi defense isn't set up properly

[whole terrace]

I mostly agree except i don't think it's too bad to test vs unknowns

It can causes annoying issues like the completely different results we had the other week, which was pretty

But i think just testing against other teams can iron those differences out

after all different ppl like setting up their teams differently

[shell heron]

there's the occasional Amagi flag that I've been seeing. Oddly enough a non-optimized fleet an still survive for 40-60s.

Not going to be a threat to me, but last as long as proper fleets

HMS fleets are the most meme to fight. I'm concerned about losing to RNG because they can't hit my VG at all

[elder crane]

Haven't had issues vs HMS in forever

Too consistent of a team
Can't powerspike to threaten proper offense teams

Especially with Hiryuu

[vague token]

wfc is more scary than triple hms bb

xD

basically will never trigger your juneau ;)

[whole terrace]

i didn't have any issues vs hooloo

only fought it twice tho

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

triple HMS BB still can't kill my Jueanu fast enough

[ripe latch]

maybe they not try kill her?

[ripe latch]

still get misses with sg

[whole terrace]

Did I miss a charge by accident??

[coral wren]

[whole terrace]

Oh I probably missed 5

[frail orbit]

F

[coral wren]

[whole terrace]

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Who needs to have Jun die when you can just lol Hiryuu them

[past egret]

F

[stable dawn]

RIP

[storm jewel]

Would Centaur want 2 VF-18 or VF-18+Reppuu?

[frail orbit]

There's no VF18 in AL
Only VF17 and VT18

[storm jewel]

There's no VF18 in AL
Only VF17 and VT18
@frail orbit i mean the VF-17 sorry

[stone patio]

is this a decent fleet?

[rocky shadow]

Maybe replace atago?

[stone patio]

i have belfast at 119 ready to come out of commission

would she do a job?

[rocky shadow]

Yeah she good

Maybe put yuki on mid and bel off tank

[cursive pebble]

This fleet I found xD

[coral wren]

[coral wren]

is naganami not good enough for torp memes

[glacial shuttle]

Aux for Noshiro is Bulge + Rudder?

[forest lake]

I use double boiler

[glacial shuttle]

meant Boiler + Rudder

[glacial shuttle]

is this Namaspite fleet good? https://imgur.com/a/iSFuO2A
Gonna enhance Noshiro aux soon, but need to farm plates, but I don't know where to shove Pearl
Warkai gun is mostly against Entys, I don't have HSFCR sadly

[forest lake]

Don't have beaver badge?

[glacial shuttle]

I do, should Nagato use Rudder + Beaver?

[frail orbit]

SG + rudder

Beaver is like what

But yea could also SG Beaver anyway

[hot creek]

Replace one of your backline's rudders with a beaver. Replace all toolkits with boilers. Give Noshiro Pearl/Bulge.

[frail orbit]

^

[glacial shuttle]

https://imgur.com/a/D683QYu

Better?

it's an album

also vanguard should be Noshiro / Yukikaze / Juneau?

[karmic forum]

I usually order it Noshiro/Juneau/Yukikaze

[shell heron]

I prefer Juneau lead myself

[karmic forum]

If I'm not going against heavy torps then I would be fine with it

Juneau leads when I'm using Azuma though

[shell heron]

That is true, although 200 more hp from oath helps

with having her lead even with Noshiro. I do get the reasoning tho

[karmic forum]

Juneau lead w/ noshiro is probably one of the better times to lead with juneau though

I just don't use noshiro very often

[glacial shuttle]

I'll probs swap Noshiro when I manage to get Azuma to d20

so gear is fine?

[karmic forum]

Looks fine to me

No rainbow quints?

[glacial shuttle]

I only have one and use it for PvE

[karmic forum]

Fair enough

[tender creek]

my hiryuu apparently hasnt had a vf17 on her for months

457 goes on amagi before nagato right?

[vague token]

amagi gets he i think

early shot = early fire

[tender creek]

Huh, yea maybe the armor break isnt very reliable?

[vague token]

armor break is the least reliable thing

look at the proc rate =(

20%

also 457 is a twin, so you get the least number of dice rolls

[tender creek]

very true

thanks!

[vague token]

457 is still a good gun just not for armor break

no guns are good for armor break

=(

[tender creek]

[vague token]

best thing for armor break is just using dive cuda if you want xD

it works on all armor tiers

;)

but it isnt good on solo cv strats, it's better for double cv with a crash oriented strategy

also note your bomb damage drops like a rock

dive cuda is for a strategy

not a general purpose dive slot

[frail orbit]

Imagine actually using 831 for armor break

And imagine actually using armor break w/ its bonky mechanism

[vague token]

im running two xD

i should have i think uh

5 total dice rolls

3 on taihou, 2 on formi

[frail orbit]

Ahh forgot it's kiro smhw w/ double titty 1 pettan

Me be like

WTF

[vague token]

;)

cant get instant memed when you forget to rotate centaur

taihou resists pretty much everything amagi can do

the annoying part is even with so few bombs

i still do a ton of damage to defense juneau

even though im trying so hard not to kill her

xD

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

This seasons RNG is pain

[shell heron]

still better than mines. I'm looking at 85 right now

depending on my bonus before final reset. I might rush the end

[lone pendant]

[midnight heron]

and today i get another instance of someone getting 6 consecutive naga procs in 2 matches

and its the same guy who has done so many times befoer

its getting real convincing the odds isnt just pure rng anymore

[coral wren]

dw

"sometimes ur opponent is just having a better day than u"

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that 1st guy??

could've ended at 2608 but last attempt after 4 refreshes still lower

at rank 14

[ripe latch]

another sandbangger

[zenith tundra]

it's 7 points ahead even reasonable? there were like another 4-5 guys at 2606-2602

[shell heron]

Rare but possible. I seem to recall Famine being 5-6 up of r2 at one time

Although it's pretty easy to track those people

[zenith tundra]

if it wouldn't be 2610+ i wouldn't doubt it

[shell heron]

must have been some stupid level of luck. can't be sure since I don't play JP

Or I would be paying attention to that person's rank before

[zenith tundra]

after 1st rush u barely even reach top 100 when at 5/10 end reset. i think there are plenty of people that sandbag casually

last reset i was rank 56 at 10/10. i can see someone lucksacc but also seems very hard

[obsidian kite]

QE needs a Retrofit

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

yuki on hms fleet

[ionic magnet]

this last day is always dead to me

only shimarin moved in my list and only 34 pt diff

[ripe latch]

[proven wave]

Guys, what would you use if you want to nuke a main fleet ship as fast as possible ?

Im thinking of Georgia, War kai and Monarch

[ripe latch]

imagine to nuke fdg

[coral wren]

ik azuma isnt a torp ship, but does azuma torp vg work?

[crude mortar]

what do you mean azuma torp vg

[coral wren]

for example like noshiro ibuki azuma, will it work or is that just a bad idea

[ionic magnet]

its not "bad"

but its certainly not optimal

[crude mortar]

if it win alot it good

if it doesn't win alot it bad

^

[ionic magnet]

kinda counter-intuitive to put them together when you want azuma to live as long as possible to do dmg

you'll just end up with less torp dmg and a weaker azuma

[ripe latch]

2 ships with slow speed on vg

[frail orbit]

[ripe latch]

think only for azuma / jintsu / yuki | noshiro , but on az / jin need 1 boiler

[vague token]

at least azuma/noshiro are higher than their peers in speed

you can skimp a little bit

just a bit

[ripe latch]

5 boilers + pearl

[still minnow]

henlo I have a question I am using bataan alongside lusty and formidable, would casablanca be a better option than bataan?

bataan gives 15% RLD and 50 AA to the main fleet, casblanca gives 10% RLD and 12% AVI

this ship needs to strike stunned targets with ryuusei and for that purpose bataan has 155% eff torp bombers and higher AVI than casablanca, but casablanca gets her self AVI buff, fast takeoff, and a faster reload for her first strike

which is to say they have pros and cons and I can't decide

[karmic forum]

I don't really know the answer either

Since not many people use those two ships in PvP

My guess is that Casablanca fares slightly better but you probably need to test out bataan

[still minnow]

I've been using bataan, I'd need to raise casblanca

I feel like bataan at first glance might be better because she gets the corsair barrage which should give better backline pressure with the crash damage

but casablanca has her first strike loading quick and fast take off too which would increase her volume of fire as well

so like

they really trade blows

[karmic forum]

I think that the reload doesn't make too big of a difference

And I value buffing the other CV's airpower more than Bataans individual strength

AA doesn't really matter too much here.

[still minnow]

yeah fair enough

I think the clincher might end up being casablanca missing 20 EVA

considering all the meta setups involve just sniping the backline with torpedoes and/or battleships

[karmic forum]

They're both made of paper

[still minnow]

you don't think it matters

?

[karmic forum]

It might matter for non-meta fleets

Neither of them are going to be tanking ws though

[still minnow]

yeah I have formi for that shes a thick girl

t h i c c

intrepid is the only ship I didn't get from that event

I wonder if she would end up being my ideal choice for this slot xD

does AVI stat influence plane crash damage?

or is that just static at all times

[ripe latch]

casa and bataan its paper ships , why they using in pvp?

bataan for one proc war kai skill if this necessary

[still minnow]

trying to make a waifu fleet that can beat meta

[ripe latch]

[still minnow]

theres nothing else to do in this game

need to self impose arbitrary challenge to have any

wtf

both bataan and casablanca get scared by a manjuu in their chibi

as if they weren't already similar enough

[ripe latch]

they both not have bombers

[still minnow]

they get a STAAG though

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

insert warspite june and 4 waifu

easy waifu fleet

[still minnow]

which for my purposes (nuking VG with ryuuseis) is better

cause the +hit

[crude mortar]

insert warspite fdg and june and 3 waifu

easy 50% waifu fleet

[still minnow]

just make the meta ships the waifus

ezpz

problem solved

[ripe latch]

only one meme fleet can work on pvp - torps

[still minnow]

thats not even a meme

everybody does it

when everybody does it it's just another meta

although I could probably do a waifu torpmeme frontline

could try ibuki, naganami, carabinere xD

although I guess noshiro would be a lazy shooin for that

plus side of noshiro: she's good
downside of noshiro: everybody uses her and that makes me not want to use her

[ripe latch]

yea, carabine 270 torp stat pretty better than any sakura ship with torps

[still minnow]

gets +50% flat damage boost for first 3 torpedo strikes

with double dildo that could be pretty big

[ripe latch]

dmg nothing if u cannot hit with torps

as like yuki

[still minnow]

what do the ijn ships do that makes them hit

[ripe latch]

1 dmg

[forest lake]

https://youtu.be/agU8HDbMhbE

Here

A more appropriate 'test'

[coral wren]

even though alot of people do it, torp is considered a meme by people who use it and dont use it cuz if they dont hit, they dont work.

[silent ocean]

so riche said take a hike to nagato :3

[ripe latch]

1.0 vs 0.8

[crude mortar]

conclusion:lets use fdg

conclusion:fdg is tankyaf

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

poor nanoda got burned to crisp cos no FE

[frail orbit]

Lmao

Yeah ikr he's a tough food anyway

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

At least
Better w/ torpmemes

[karmic forum]

HooLoo has this season in the bag

[frail orbit]

^this

[ionic magnet]

dont jinx it

[karmic forum]

You're so far up though

[frail orbit]

@karmic forumanyway u rush?

How much now?

For the tix

[shell heron]

Oh no, garbage list

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

F

[shell heron]

looks like I rush soon

[ripe latch]

on new season?

[frail orbit]

Waiting for food
2490 now

Any gud food on my pic?

[empty grove]

This entire season has been garbage

[frail orbit]

I see yer below Hooloo so ye

F 4 U

[cerulean estuary]

[ripe latch]

season failed if u not found hooloo

[karmic forum]

I'm probably doing PvP in 2 hours or so

[rocky shadow]

I wonder if noshiro ayanami saint Louis good for attack/defense fleet?

[karmic forum]

Its not

[rocky shadow]

So i better use belfast instead saint louis?

I didnt have jintsuu yet and my yuki not ready yet

[ripe latch]

put juneau

[rocky shadow]

Ok

[ripe latch]

richelieu barrage?
HE 1512 1064 784 Large shells. 8% burn chance.
Normal 576 387 288
dunq + le triom

[coral wren]

hey guys quick question

i need sleep but new season starts soon

should i wait until reset

or just let it be

[ripe latch]

if u get AofN nothing to w8

[coral wren]

nono

this is for the new season

im afraid i get matchups that dont move

does that happen regularly

[ripe latch]

then w8

[shell heron]

or get an extra scuffed start like me

I'm getting 2590 max this time

[frail orbit]

Way better than me

2585 max

[shy hazel]

what a pleb

[silent ocean]

cant wait to shoot people with torp baguettes

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Cutoff for last season was 2580 or something

I have a feeling this season will be even lower

Hopefully you guys refresh into me a lot.

[shell heron]

last season EoS top 10 was 2590

[ripe latch]

baguette comp with corn torps...

[shell heron]

how much do I trust me ending at 92

Hi hoo, looks like you're ending at 2601 if lucky

[ionic magnet]

just 2600

ate 2 +9

but its fine i hit my quota

[cerulean estuary]

[ripe latch]

top on washi 2587 , not 2600

?? / ??

[shell heron]

Oh, Blazing made it on the board

haven't seen him in a while

cutoff might be higher this season

Famine not getting 2600+

[empty grove]

I blame RNG

[shell heron]

what is this?

[empty grove]

[light crystal]

I keep getting seconds back-to-back 🚮

[empty grove]

I gave up trying on the 2nd to last day after getting a 12 hour dead reset

[shell heron]

new rankings are up

[crude mortar]

!

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

92 cutoff this season

[ionic magnet]

yea i had a really good start this season

[shell heron]

I didn't. I think rushing woul have been better at some point

[cerulean estuary]

[empty grove]

My start was actually good

[ionic magnet]

now im taking a break for real

[empty grove]

Until the 2nd reset

Full dead

[ripe latch]

new season - ppl put resets

[ionic magnet]

i only had 1 dead reset and its on last day

[empty grove]

I had

4

[ionic magnet]

rip

[empty grove]

Ohh well

[ionic magnet]

and you still made it to 2597

[shell heron]

that +4 could have gotten you 2601

[ionic magnet]

yea i actually forgot how many refreshes i have left

so kinda played it safe

[whole terrace]

#1 on Amagi

[shell heron]

being 12 up of me, you kind of have to

[crude mortar]

zzzz

[hot creek]

tfw Sandy not second highest scoring server.

[whole terrace]

nice

which was the second highest?

[hot creek]

guy above idk if its Lexington or Washington

Sandy falling behind

[whole terrace]

[hot creek]

Poggers

[ionic magnet]

4 bonus already

wait thats 3

[whole terrace]

[ionic magnet]

feels good even if its just 1 season

[shell heron]

[hot creek]

you've taken r1 a couple times now havent you?

[shell heron]

twice now?

[ionic magnet]

p sure its my first

[hot creek]

btw Cay, how do you get leaderboards to display like that?

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

ipad resolution

oh right, the other time you got 2nd

[silent ocean]

gotta love visual glitches lol

[crude mortar]

cya next season

[silent ocean]

be like welp im done with this season rt

[crude mortar]

-2288

[silent ocean]

+-

[ionic magnet]

yea i only reached 2.6k 3 times iirc
first one cay topped
second its famine
then now third

[silent ocean]

there would be no coming back lol

[shell heron]

imagine barely making the cut. that r10 final placement is the worse I gotten so far

[crude mortar]

think on the bright side

now u can get +2 every single match you play

maybe +6

[whole terrace]

it's ur second time, hooloo

i have photo evidence

[ionic magnet]

my memory is bad then

[whole terrace]

11th may

[ionic magnet]

ohh

[whole terrace]

it's settled

[empty grove]

Yeah he got it twice

[hot creek]

One couple time

[empty grove]

I remember that season cause i said something like "If my end RNG was as good mid season it'd be nice"

Since I didn't get any -

Happened this time too

Good start/Mid = shit end

Shit start/Mid = Good end

[ionic magnet]

11th may is just 2 seasons ago and i already forgot

[shell heron]

I need a decent first 2 days or it's playing catch-up

also cut-off getting higher so can't hope for 85 anymore

[empty grove]

I probably wont hard grind the next event so can pay attention more

Guess i'll see

[hot creek]

I wonder what its like to play in Avrora. Hey Zack, gimme Stella's account

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

Fuck sandbagging on two accounts

[ionic magnet]

zack sandbagging in 2 accounts

[empty grove]

I question how zack does it

[ionic magnet]

[whole terrace]

Yeah what a freak

[ionic magnet]

and 2 different reset times

[shell heron]

have 20 alarms everyday

[empty grove]

I sleep through alarms

[shell heron]

I was about to sleep through this season too. Was gonna take a short nap until 1hr before season ends

end up waking up 30 min before

[empty grove]

My closest wake up & no miss is still 4 minutes for 5 matches

The amount of luck I had there in pulling low fleets was insane

[shell heron]

that's a no go on last reset

[empty grove]

Yeah

This was like 4-5 days into a season

So still a lot of easy stuff

[shell heron]

It's doable then. I refresh to find easy targets

[empty grove]

I burnt all refreshes

Had to swap to WS as well

[shell heron]

you kinda have to. any chance of stall can cause a -1 match

[hot creek]

even a rogue ykkz who decides to live to 2 minutes can fuck you up.

[vague token]

even a rogue lusty/eldridge can too

[shell heron]

any random torp rng sinking HP pot early can do the same

Kiro

that eldridge just refused to die

[hot creek]

although that doesnt really happen anymore since long range aux guns. it does happen to me though since I use DD gun on my top/bottom ships since DD guns better on defense.

[shell heron]

ok I go pass out now. hope this season isn't scuffed early again

[empty grove]

I witnessed hooloo's fleet today

On my last match, saw my vanguard basically melt due to the helena proc

[karmic lake]

@empty grove

[ionic magnet]

im switching back to cudas since i got the 457 just now
wonder if full crash dmg is better with helena proc

[empty grove]

Eitherway it looks like a fun fleet to use

Much better than the generic meta stuff

[ionic magnet]

well you cant do last 5 min matches tho

super risky

[empty grove]

I don't run last 5 min anyway

[ionic magnet]

i always move 10 mins before reset now

[empty grove]

I learnt my lesson on that awhile ago

[ionic magnet]

oh but you always appear on last min or so

[empty grove]

Just takes consistent decent fleets 1 after the other & that 5 mins is gone

Yeah

[ionic magnet]

holding last match maybe?

[empty grove]

I do like 3 matches

& then wait a bit

Cuts off people getting a +1 on me & it's safer

[frail orbit]

Wait

Hooloo now on 457?

[hot creek]

as a matter of fact, I got held on today, twice

[frail orbit]

Fuck it, still 9 left for 457

[whole terrace]

[hot creek]

I couldve gotten +2 off this rusher but he decided to do last minute.

[ionic magnet]

yea i got the last BP like 30 mins before season ended

didnt get to test tho

[frail orbit]

[empty grove]

I wanna see the first proper Amagi/FDG/WS

[whole terrace]

hand it over

[empty grove]

Farm another 50 Phoenix

[ionic magnet]

you and phx are prolly the closest there

[empty grove]

Nah

I got fucked on gun BP

[ionic magnet]

oh wait

phx already got it

[empty grove]

Yeah

I'm on like 40

[frail orbit]

So basically

Only 2 of u guys

Got the rainbow

[hot creek]

I need 40 more

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

yea my fdg is nowhere near ready

[empty grove]

A lot of people have that gun now

[frail orbit]

But only u guys there anyway

On this channel

[empty grove]

Just takes us both getting screwed on RNG & then it's gone

Spamming cube comms now you're guaranteed atleast 10 DR BP on top of W/e you get

Plus the extra from events

Realistically you could go full for both guns & get both DR maxed out at the same time

[frail orbit]

Still saving for Riche lah

[empty grove]

I've gotten quite a few DR BP from G too

[frail orbit]

600ish and now counting

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

I have the most cubes i've had in like 6+ months

It's kinda surreal

[vague token]

i need a 457 for team wtf

[frail orbit]

I need 457 for hooloo WFC copy smhw zzzz

[vague token]

then i can skip hsfcr

so ws isnt as squish

[frail orbit]

Meh

Just go HPFCR lah

[vague token]

lel

[frail orbit]

Millennials get out

[vague token]

i wish the -spread aux gave hit

would be fun to try different guns with it

[empty grove]

HPFCR is a boomer AUX now

[ionic magnet]

hfcr when

[hot creek]

I only just managed to reach triple digit cube numbers today

(not counting mail cube )

[frail orbit]

Am still saving up anyway

[vague token]

it still annoys me it's translated as high standard on en

[frail orbit]

A bit paranoid my honkai shit luck is creeping on AL too

[vague token]

honkai has like only a bit better rates than fgo lol

expect nothing

xD

[frail orbit]

Well
39k for a new support ele anyway fok it

And now saving from zero again for the sake of Mamagi there

[ionic magnet]

honkai has 900 day login reward
i know what to expect in that game the moment i saw that

[frail orbit]

Well sorry but am whaler there too anyway

No kraken tho

[ionic magnet]

still waiting for my nagato

looks like yostar forgot her already

[frail orbit]

After all
In Indo, could just live off $250-$350 for a month, the rest could be used for whaling lah

And I got like what
$500 for a monthly allowance

[vague token]

yostar didnt forget, she was only allowed to be bugged for a bit

;)

[empty grove]

[crude mortar]

139

ez start ez sleep

[shy hazel]

wtf

hooloo got t1

@zenith tundra

haram

[zenith tundra]

?

so what if he got r1?

[shy hazel]

cucc him

[coral wren]

What do I do

[coral wren]

Noone moves. Feels like it's because now everyone knows how to sandbag

[shell heron]

That looks like a 33. You could bit now or hope that person keeps moving.

And your other 4 does pvp

[plain carbon]

anybody have a tierlist of world 12/13 ships

[coral wren]

I think I move now

Time is running out

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

like ships to use on ch12/13 or where those ships land on PvP

[ripe latch]

hms

[ebon schooner]

[coral wren]

how much difference is 3% stats

kinda wanna use a ship that isnt 200 yet

[shell heron]

depends on the base stats. you lose out on a nice bit of hp

but on offense it shouldn't matter as much

[coral wren]

[plain carbon]

Just which ones are good on 12/13 but I found an updated list, not much changed

all good

[ripe latch]

welp , seems trp team looks better with this skin

[vague token]

🥖

[ebon schooner]

[coral wren]

best map for gold farming is 7-4, correct?

[ebon schooner]

[coral wren]

ah, 7-2

[still minnow]

best map for farming gold is whichever map that has a drop you want

tbh

[granite flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agU8HDbMhbE

what was the general thoughts on this fleet meta wise?

would it of gone differently if it was facing FDG Namagi?

[still minnow]

the enemy fleet/

?

or the attacking fleet?

oh

probably not

[granite flame]

seems like it was steamrolling that other fleet

[still minnow]

that tends to happen when you make a good fleet

the +20% attacker bonus is pretty big

so what would be an even match quickly becomes an easy win

[vague token]

would be better if you didnt use sanrui

and just use rich alone

xD

[granite flame]

how good is it on defense

louis is stall

seems good both defensively and offensively

[still minnow]

you saw what just happened to the best fleet that you can currently make on defense

this is not one of the best fleets you can currently make

which I suppose the point being that caring about defense fleet strength is pretty pointless

[ripe latch]

baguette fleet on def

[still minnow]

because people with good fleets will always win against it

and people with bad fleets will lose no matter what you put there

so your defense fleet is pretty ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe latch]

🥖 ⚔️ 🥖

[elder crane]

Any vid of a team with 1 match is 💩

Don't know if it was lucky/unlucky

[still minnow]

he did 3 runs

[granite flame]

good thing it has two

oh

3

[still minnow]

might actually be more

[elder crane]

3 is still
Depends on how much you trust to not cherrypick

[still minnow]

idk too lazy to count xDD

[granite flame]

anyone know why he chose to mount french cruiser guns

over like, seattle guns

or can they not mount seattle guns

[elder crane]

Those are CAs lol

Also using Algerie is :kek:
So the team is probably better than that

thing is, all 3 matches had enemy vanguard get murdered by shelling

how often does that happen?

3 matches doesn't tell you much

[still minnow]

how many do you think is sufficient sample size?

7?

[elder crane]

gotta at least say "seems to happen fairly often/is rare/sometimes happens"

this doesn't need specific testing tbf

[ripe latch]

not see vid with d'ark + saint + algerie

[elder crane]

just see what happens to enemy vanguards in general

doesn't need to be vs the best teams

[still minnow]

isnt a team's ability to win against good fleets just mostly determined by their ability to delete the vanguard anyway

[elder crane]

Nope

Warkai stuff just murders their main fleet

a lot of teams don't need to win vanguard fight as well, just not lose too badly

Nagato teams just win vanguard fight on wins incidentally
basically
Nagato barrage = more overall damage output
Nagato barrage = murders vanguard in particular (if it did the same to main fleet instead, would be just as good)
So it's more "nagato barrage skews fights" than "vanguard murdering skews fights", it's just that "nagato barrage murders vanguard"

Warkai Amagi Hiryuu, for example, almost always loses vanguard fight
as does non-FC HMS, etc.

[still minnow]

I see

are there any viable options for keeping vg safe from nagato barrage

[elder crane]

Going back farther, WaSD builds in general, and stuff like Hiryuu Amagi Hood, ran "suicide" vanguards

VH Azuma basically

[still minnow]

I couldn't get lusty to launch fast enough to make that timing and I don't think jeanne hits the timing either

[elder crane]

Bel helps somewhat vs first barrage

VH Azuma is the only real counter to Nagato barrage

Just no-sells it

0.7 vs 1.2 mods on heavy/med

it does like 20% of VH Azuma HP, which is hilarious

less hilarious is when torps/airstrikes smack her for half her HP, but that's the price you pay

(that's why VH Azuma isn't really used, it's too specialized - even though it's specialized vs "toppest" meta, not that many people run "toppest" meta)

Bel smoke adds another layer of RNG
outside of smoke? still murdered like usual if it happens
in smoke? takes substantially less damage
cost is running Bel, who really at this point can be considered to do "nothing except smoke"

[vague token]

to be fair that's all smoke ships

xD

[elder crane]

And the timing for smoke vs meta stuff covers nothing except Nagato barrage

[vague token]

there's like 10+ smoke ships

[still minnow]

I feel like the devs way overvalue smoke

[elder crane]

Well, back in the day, Bel stats were top-end, so

[still minnow]

any ship with a smoke just gets pretty neutered in all aspects and the smoke isn't even that good itself

[elder crane]

Nah, devs correctly valued smokes imo
just smoke ships have been powercrept

[vague token]

they still havent tried smoke main fleet

main fleet ships had smoke too

[elder crane]

there's no new smoke ships in like 1.5 years? 2 years?

[still minnow]

fair enough

[granite flame]

minsk

[elder crane]

Minsk has smoke?

[vague token]

black prince

was also a smoke

minsk is more recent yeah

[still minnow]

yeah minsk and BP but they're both purple so I doubt they were ever even intended to be T0 material

[elder crane]

well, lemme correct that
no new smokes on ships that aren't meant to be trash

[vague token]

kek

if we got like

a sheffield retro with smoke

i see you wanted to do damage to vg

nope

[elder crane]

Anyways, Leander for example, was actually sometimes ran for a short while

Bel lasted for quite some time as a top pick

[vague token]

biggest problem is smoke is rng after first one