pvp

[crude mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW5pytfSLpM&feature=youtu.be

6 boiler after half

if 3.40 is rng

then idk what to say

[zenith tundra]

idk if running back into shoots counts as dodging tho

if it is really trying to dodge stuff the ai is just dumb at doing it

[crude mortar]

it cant calculate the spot

thats why

isn't it

its 100% not pure rng

but if you are a developer you cant just make it dodge all the time aswell isn't it

its 100% not pure rng

[zenith tundra]

i'm not saying it doesn't try to dodge i'm saying whatever it dodges or just walks into shoots still feels rng to me

[obsidian kite]

That FDG scares me

[vague token]

if the ai does try to dodge

then defender has advantage cause the projectile is in the air longer

so the ai "dodges" and then is like oh ok

guess im done

xD

if that is true

[zenith tundra]

1 readon why i think speed is good is because u can dodge bb shells but seems like u need the right ammount of it. too much and u just walk right back into them, too slow u just don't get away fast enough. and even with good speed rng is still a thing

[crude mortar]

triple french preload bb

[zenith tundra]

if u want to theorycraft speed u could try seeing the average time in between vg movements changes and time it so that those changes of directions happen right when opponent bb stsrt shooting. but i'm pretty sure it would be too much rng trying to figure that out

[crude mortar]

vg always randomly pause somewhere

like their brain randomly froze

[vague token]

i assume it's cause movement is a random value for each direction

just sum up and make a vector

so you can get move x right, but also y left

so it just ends up 0

xD

[crude mortar]

yeah

[vague token]

or maybe it's just random between - and +

dunno

need datamine for that

[crude mortar]

it should use up down left right like normal player

when manualling

french triple bb maybe usable if there is something better than dank

with preload

and gascogne dont have preload

[zenith tundra]

i'm curious if the game just randomly inputs a x and a y axis direction or just vectors in random directions

[crude mortar]

it should press wasd up down left right like normal player?

the code should attempt to calculate the desire direction

and wasd it to that direction

[zenith tundra]

anyway i would imagine that stopping means that the travel distance is set to 0

[crude mortar]

it should've had a minimum range to move too

because

[zenith tundra]

but it could also be spaghetti and have 2 completely oppositr directions inputed that cause it to stop

[crude mortar]

instead of moving like this

it can just afk here

it can just afk here but it still need to move

[vague token]

it's super easy to believe they did random -x, random +x, random -y, random +y

so you just cancel out all movement

[crude mortar]

they intentionally didn't make the ai to dodge perfectly

else bb just gonna unable to hit anything like ever

and the ai wont froze

[ripe latch]

enty vs fdg

@zenith tundra vs namagi only triple bb ?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think the amount of bb really matter more then how much dmg u can tank vs namagi fdg

u have 3 bb that all put pressure on their opposite backline

if this is what u are asking

[ripe latch]

only formi can tank this corp , or enty if proc

not any cv

[zenith tundra]

and enty is like super death opposite to fdg since her timings never match fdg barrages at least within normal battle times

[vague token]

formi doesnt tank guns that well

she can handle splash

7% is too low for her base hp to mitigate

[zenith tundra]

i use fdg on enty for easy kills on her

[vague token]

she will just sink to ws 457

[crude mortar]

457 was a mistake

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

movement is just straight timed-random-direction/amount with bias towards center

[vague token]

yeah but there's a lot of Stand Still random direction

which makes me believe that they randomize both positive and negative

[crude mortar]

vg doesn';t stuck in the middle

usually stick at the rear of the map

*stuck

at the corner

[vague token]

no they trend towards middle

[crude mortar]

I mean when they afk pause

there are time vg just do nothing and tank everything

at the rear

[vague token]

i mean that's why it's a bias/trend, not 100% xD

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

one of the rng seems like it can be 0 so vg doesn't actually move since it can stop innthe middle too just less frequent

[elder crane]

yeah, I think the pauses are built-in

[zenith tundra]

on the side seems more plausible that the direction would be outside of boundries so vg cannot move towards it that would add more pauses then u get to see in the middle

[elder crane]

in any case, the actual rough "pattern" you get is pretty much the same I find, just scaled up with higher speed (and clipped as it hits the edges)

[crude mortar]

RandomFloat(0,x)

[vague token]

[elder crane]

there's defs diminishing returns for speed for dodging

[ripe latch]

hm why edps docs deleted

[elder crane]

more speed is pretty much always better though

[ripe latch]

new tests?

[zenith tundra]

nope just deleted post.

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

404

[zenith tundra]

too much speed is detrimental since it becomes too much rng

[crude mortar]

the ai ignore torp

they run into torp

[zenith tundra]

at that point u have situations whete juneau never dies

[crude mortar]

they compltely ignore

they dont really care they just gonna run into it as if its nothing

im 1000% sure they didn't set the ai to look for torp

faster ms mean they gonna eat more torp 1000%

[zenith tundra]

i'm not a fan of rng warnings around here so not really gonna help much anymore tbh

@ripe latch i can dm the link to it if u want to make a copy of it

[ripe latch]

send on pm ty

but i have copy

[vague token]

isnt an ehp/dps calc relevant here? xD

i thought it got pinned

[ripe latch]

if this table actualy..

[coral wren]

how much more damage 457 compare to mk6

[vague token]

i mean it isnt just the raw damage

it's also really fast

[crude mortar]

400 base damage vs 450

but 65 FP

vs 25 FP

and its

[zenith tundra]

overall is not really that much if u account fire too. the differences are mostly that 457 is faster and more accurate on non moving targets

[crude mortar]

and

[vague token]

it's also wider for some reason lol

16 vs 15

like what

[zenith tundra]

ws 457 dps 956.76, mk6 dps 918.67

[crude mortar]

did you calculate fire power differences?

cuz 457 +65fp

[vague token]

that fp difference is super small on ws

who has silly base fp

[zenith tundra]

u have to understand that ws has no fire dmg when using ap gun that hurts her overall dps

[vague token]

of course killing someone before 20s is worth the dps drop xD

dead ships do 0 dps

[crude mortar]

but you can have other bb do the burn

[zenith tundra]

fdg can still set fires with barrage but ws just becomes a sniping machine

[crude mortar]

isn't it

[elder crane]

Fires do 0 DpS on a ship already dead

[crude mortar]

use them together

[elder crane]

and yeah, fires are slow damage

[vague token]

maybe if we had 4x hp fire/flood would be strong

xD

or larger damage reduction

[elder crane]

like, say, if you kill with volley 3 even
then really only fire on volleys 1/2 matter

[crude mortar]

with 2 volley

if one of them miss

[zenith tundra]

in 1min fight fire does quite a lot but yeah ws is meant for early burst not overall dps

[crude mortar]

thats huge dps drop

[elder crane]

also even worse since fire can't kill ships
so you need to hit them with something even after fire is supposed to "kill" them

[vague token]

flood should be allowed to sink ships xD

[crude mortar]

^

[vague token]

literally water

[crude mortar]

i see many situation their bb had 1hp and their june die

[elder crane]

I've seen a few times a 1 HP ship not get targeted/evades long enough to get off another reload

[vague token]

yeah

or crash is just like na im good

[elder crane]

or get targeted by like 3 volleys

of which 2 are wasted

since the first one killed

or by a bunch of ryuus, etc.

[zenith tundra]

main reason why u need barrages/aim skill for consistency

[elder crane]

anyways, if I have comparable gun to gun+fire DpS, I'd take the gun DpS first any day

[zenith tundra]

without fire is 956vs724

ws due to aim skill i feel like it's 1 ship where shelling is more important then with fire dps overall. fdg makes up for ap with barrage fire on opposite so she's fine using it (also doesn't die before opponent vg does anyway)

ships that can just hit 3x vg with ap i wouldn't really base them on shelling alone

that's personal preference tho

[silent ocean]

or be intrepid and immune to burning damage cause her damage control is on point :3

[zenith tundra]

maybe with 2k more base hp

[vague token]

if intrepid had dr on fight 1

and like 7.5k base hp

she'd be usable

cause you could just toss armor on and push her to 8.1k

so the immune to fire + double dr sub 25% would actually work

not great

just ok

[zenith tundra]

20% of her hp is like 3k in pvp any shelling from 457 can one shoot her

[vague token]

also, her barrage would have to change too xD

dive bomb barrage, but anti bb/bc

so basically it never hits

dear god she suffers from bad design

[silent ocean]

yeah mean she has armor break but idk she had a really good defensive skill(s) just wish they were more relevant outside of pve

[vague token]

like i get what she wants to do

she wants to trade against bb/bc

and debuff them

but the skills dont work together to do that

[zenith tundra]

the 20% threshold is very low. puts her just low enough to be one shoot

[elder crane]

the skill really should just have been "on taking damage" trigger

[crude mortar]

she had shitty design

[silent ocean]

too bad there isnt anything like lusty for the main fleet

[elder crane]

or like 80% threshold

[vague token]

or scaling

like fdg

0 from 90-100

like 50% fire negation from 50-90

100% 0-49

or something

[crude mortar]

I dont understand why cant they just made her barrage fire when start launching air strike instead of when finish reloading

it stupid

[vague token]

formation shift is still lame xD

[crude mortar]

her skill

is chaos

[elder crane]

Formation shift should've been based off her position in the fleet, and then have a larger impact as well

[crude mortar]

as if the joker design the skill

all her 3 skill

[elder crane]

Flagship = solid amount of DR
sides = Avi boost

[crude mortar]

what

[elder crane]

I mean, it's fricken "FORMATION shift"

[vague token]

yeah i dont know why they did a skill named "formation shift" not function off position

nor the formation

[crude mortar]

dive bomber that inflict armor break on bb

[vague token]

like evade/fp/aa mode

what formation is pvp even in technically

xD

[elder crane]

why is it alternating per battle and not based off her position in FORMATION

smh

[zenith tundra]

wrong name

[vague token]

does pvp have a formation in the code?

like a neutral 100/100/100 one?

[silent ocean]

it would be interesting if the skills did work based on your tickets like even and odd XD

[vague token]

lul

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

tosa barrage from defense and offense when you're on certain fights

kek

[ripe latch]

tosa

[crude mortar]

add fleet2 pvp

[vague token]

if ticket count is multiple of 3/4/5 xD

[crude mortar]

then use casablanca

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't it be more like if it's 1-2-3 and 6-7-8

attempts left

[vague token]

i mean, in a world that makes sense yes

;)

but this is 🍝 land

[crude mortar]

many ship need update

[silent ocean]

agreeded even the newer ones which is :/

[crude mortar]

I like how tirpitz had a skill that launch torpedo that deal like 1000 damage and if you use her with bismark one or two of the torp gonna go outside the map

[vague token]

never forget biscuit has a crit buff that only works on primary weapons

thus is infinitely worse than fp/tp buff

cause it doesnt buff barrages

[zenith tundra]

expecting kms to be good

[crude mortar]

takao had 30% chance to deal double fire while uss ship doing double fire every single time they fire

reno had everything except mgm+1

[vague token]

i mean, reno has better mods than black prince

[ripe latch]

when roon vs reno its looks like ♿ vs ♿

[vague token]

if you give reno mgm+1, dido class should definitely have it

[silent ocean]

yeah but black prince has s tier armpit so

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

this game had no good ship

either super good or striaght up bad

[zenith tundra]

it's just for pvp tbh

pve is fine balance wise

[crude mortar]

I wondered what did they smoke

when they were creating this skill

[harsh moon]

We need a necromancer ship for Juenau(?) suicide meta

[zenith tundra]

if u consider how different pve and pvp actually play is not surprising that pvp is so imbalanced toward certain ships

[crude mortar]

but im pretty certain when they created june they had no intention of making this ship go pve

maybe challenge mode

[zenith tundra]

actually before threat level she wasn't as useless

[vague token]

strategic sink for sustain

xD

[zenith tundra]

it worked in w10

it would also save oil for other battles

[elder crane]

I don't think devs intended with original design that everyone would just S rank everything

[crude mortar]

old ship had very bad design

example:takao

[elder crane]

if you approach with mindset of "most battles end up A rank"
then a lot of the older skills make more sense

[crude mortar]

what condition you gonna miss

60s or somebody sink

[vague token]

i mean taco is fine, high roller type

atago is the smooth gun type

maya is the faster type

and choukai is the buffer

[elder crane]

Torp-CA mostly suffers from "lol torps"

[vague token]

they're fine skill distribution wise

base stats they suffer

[elder crane]

on auto, torps are lol
on manual, might as well go all in on a proper torpedo ship

[vague token]

although i dont understand why atago has a burn skill

is there a history there?

[elder crane]

That's a WoWS thing

[ripe latch]

go back to sheffi meta

[vague token]

oh god dammit WoWS

x_X

ruining ship skills

[frail orbit]

Same w/ Belfap

[vague token]

alabama and her torp resist lul

[crude mortar]

why? I dont play WoWs

[vague token]

yes thank you yostar

very useful

[elder crane]

Atago is the OG long-range HE spammer

[vague token]

literally does nothing in pve

[frail orbit]

Well they based em on WoWs at start

[zenith tundra]

alabama doesn't even need that garbage skill to be good tho

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

i know

it's a why does it exist

there's no reason for it to exist

it doesnt work with intended mechanics at all

[elder crane]

Her basic playstyle revolves around keeping things at range and smacking them with HE, setting them on fire and burning them down

Atago in wows

[vague token]

if only they made that actually work in al mechanics

xD

like upgrade her burn chance to 50%

not the damage

[crude mortar]

they do collab with WoWs

[elder crane]

basic issue in AL is that fires have damage scaling based off shell damage

so any fires not BB is

[vague token]

make fire scale with target fp

or highest attack stat

xD

[crude mortar]

it scale with weapon damage too

bb burn like 5 times more than cl

[elder crane]

I mean, wows did balance by all fires being same, but smaller spammier shells have lower chance to set fire

[vague token]

AL got half of that

xD

[elder crane]

AL decides that smaller shells should set both weaker fires and fires less often

which is ?????

and you can't stack fires either

[vague token]

id be ok with no fire stacking

just make it scale with the target's strongest attack stat+efficiency or something

[crude mortar]

did cl burn damage actually noticable?

[elder crane]

no

[crude mortar]

in pvp it deal like feather dmg

[vague token]

lul no

[crude mortar]

in pve enemy ship die super fast

[elder crane]

CA burn damage is barely notable

and it's mostly just BB/some skills

[vague token]

i think the only CA with any burn damage is going to be chappy because it's a skill burn

so it will stack

oh right

burns do stack

[elder crane]

CL you mean

[vague token]

from different skills

i mean it looks like a CA shell

on the animation

xD

beeg red bullet

[ripe latch]

taco atago double boiler and go

[vague token]

only downside to changing fire is ch9-11 become hell for new players

outside of that no biggy ;)

[crude mortar]

new player suffer anyway without event ship

[ripe latch]

taco good ship for new players on pvp , but now we have pr's and other good ships

[crude mortar]

even if they add good ship into normal construction the chance t hey be puiling is like none

this game new player = suffer

[sour oasis]

All games bully new players.

[ripe latch]

spam light to get sheffi and play

[sour oasis]

Unless the newbie is a 🐳

[crude mortar]

this game new player whale doesn't that matter

cuz they dont have event ship

[sour oasis]

They can get everything else

[zenith tundra]

technically speaking before level 110+ u still suffer whatever ur comp is random shit or meta

[crude mortar]

or they could've just add nagato to core data

like i've said if you have nagato game become too easy

and if you dont

suffer

[sour oasis]

Didn't Zack show off a pvp all-Bunker Hill team that destroyed most pvp meta?

[crude mortar]

what all bunker hill team

[elder crane]

who needs Nagato smh

been running without her for a month now

[sour oasis]

Essex, Bunker Hill, and... I assume Enterprise back line.

[harsh moon]

I started with ISSS and nagato hard carried me

[zenith tundra]

it wasn't me but someone did show a 3cv team vs namaryuu

[sour oasis]

Wait, is Essex an event ship?

[vague token]

she has her own mini event

[harsh moon]

was in 1st Anniv pool and Air Drills I think

[vague token]

but she wasnt released with it

she was anniversary ship

[ripe latch]

who needs essex when we have enty

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

she is in special in jp

[sour oasis]

Yeah. A 3 CV backline. Were they all non event?

Ah, that makes sense.

So yeah, a triple Enty backline. Just suffer through 13-4 for it.

[zenith tundra]

by that time do u even need to do pvp?

[sour oasis]

A. Because
B.???
C. Subs in merit shop now

[crude mortar]

do pvp for

[vague token]

gotta flex

[sour oasis]

Why play an online game if you don't flex

[vague token]

because it's fun?

[crude mortar]

^

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

the most value out of pvp is early and mid game since purins are valuable then, and that's exactly when u cannot do pvp to high levels

[sour oasis]

Flexing or the game?

[crude mortar]

and become food for sandbagger

[ripe latch]

found mr f on pvp and flex with his fleet

[sour oasis]

More like potholes for laggards

Everyone fears my level 70 Enterprise

[ripe latch]

maybe found him again..

[crude mortar]

bismarck not fs this is flexing fleet

[ripe latch]

Kanzaki Erika27.05.2020
how2build kms main fleet
step1.add bismarck as flag ship
step2 add tirpitz
step3.add fdg
step4.remove bismarck and replace her with warspite
step5.remove tirpitz and replace her with amagi
there you go kms pvp meta fleet

maybe zack testing 3cv corp with agano and her ability

degen way , but must work

[zenith tundra]

idk 3cv meta against 457 ws or namagi fdg doesn't sound fun

[crude mortar]

does this mean reno 10% cv damage reduction works while shes dead?

[ripe latch]

148fp

15% crit rate

[crude mortar]

does this mean reno agano yukikaze alot of dmg reduction

reno june

[ripe latch]

juneau agano yuki/azuma

and triple cv

[zenith tundra]

that would require leveling up either agano or reno

[crude mortar]

agano 15% but need to be alive

reno 10% but work while shes dead

reno tank

or in the end just use jun like normal human being

[ripe latch]

agano have 170% torps and buff for torps

what have reno?

170% aa?

and 148fp * 12% fp

[zenith tundra]

agano buffs dd fp which is so bad

[crude mortar]

disaster game

[ripe latch]

yuki can carry

[crude mortar]

agano buff fire power

[zenith tundra]

15% of 0 is still 0

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

is a 10fp buff on yukikaze

[crude mortar]

this game is disaster

[ripe latch]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mikuma

[crude mortar]

which dd do you want to buff fp?

[ripe latch]

While alive in fleet, reduces damage taken by allied CVs/CVLs by 5% (15%). Does not stack with the same skill.

Reduces AP damage taken by self by 10% (20%).

4k hp

hmm

but event ship

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

is she even much better then reno outside of dr?

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

all of them sux

[vague token]

only good fp buff is for kitakaze

[ripe latch]

no

pretty usless

[elder crane]

Kita base FP is actually pretty low

[ripe latch]

if want - intel report + rainbow/ihr

[zenith tundra]

agano looks like a torp cl but she buffs dd fp for reasons

[ripe latch]

yuki kita agano

[zenith tundra]

if it at least it was cl and dd fp would've been something

[ripe latch]

welp , someone ppl play with 76 on dd so...

stonks

[vague token]

yeah but we can fix kita fp with report and the weird aa gun

xD

torp with fp stat when

[elder crane]

if by "fix" you mean slap a band-aid on a massive leak and call it mission accomplished

[vague token]

i mean it's worth it for drunk russia gun

xD

[ripe latch]

new skins -> more ppl put her on def

[crude mortar]

can I have a sauce where you get meme like this? pm me

[ripe latch]

#al-general

[crude mortar]

that ch

its dark place that light cannot reach

[silent ocean]

question if someone made a meme fleet with marblehead in it and ranamed their names to numbers, couldnt post that here correct?

[shell heron]

hmmm, more low dev FdG to fight

sure

[zenith tundra]

tbh seems like there are a lot less meta defense after nagato bug

[vague token]

lul

lets go back to that

it was nice

xD

[zenith tundra]

u means nothing changes but everything is just easier

[vague token]

i like seeing variety

[zenith tundra]

if variety is bad hms comps for sure is better

[obsidian kite]

HMS is like second best

[sour oasis]

When did FdG get an oath skin...?!

[zenith tundra]

8hrs ago

[sour oasis]

Daaamn

[empty grove]

Ohh yeah nah

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that

cancer

[ionic magnet]

i like eryuelle

but no chance at +2

[zenith tundra]

where are the rushers? there is no d2 anymore

[ionic magnet]

few got cucced by maint prolly

[zenith tundra]

rushers? can they even be chucked?

[ionic magnet]

[karmic forum]

I've been saying that the season is dead

[crude mortar]

is there alive season?

[zenith tundra]

it was dead due to iris farm. why is it dead now tho

[crude mortar]

next week

iris farm 2.0

but its the begining of the sesaon!!!

[karmic forum]

People fell behind at the start and are too low for us to get bonuses

[zenith tundra]

how much till aotn rush so we can have more people....

[storm jewel]

is this the general pvp centaur?

[rocky shadow]

What ship that good for defense (bacline and Vanguard)?

I keep pushed from 100 to 1000 after some hours

[zenith tundra]

defense fleet doesn't really do much

people with higher score will overtake u because ur score is not that good

[rocky shadow]

So, i need good attack fleet then?

I thought defense fleet is important too

[zenith tundra]

even if ur defense fleet is the strongest people can always attack in between 4 people. unless everyone in their list is unbeatable for them they will still push and also people have 5 refreshes too to change opponents in list too per day

[rocky shadow]

Will France ship become new meta?(cause richelieu)

[zenith tundra]

that's not counting that even the strongest defense fleet won't really win more 10-20% on defense anyway vs good offense fleets

[rocky shadow]

I waiting for Nagato rerun to make ijn fleet

[inner zenith]

doubt

[zenith tundra]

if u want higher positions u have to sandbag to get extra bonus points

[rocky shadow]

But if France ship good maybe i will use them while waiting nagato

Or hms still better?

Wdym sandbag?

[zenith tundra]

idk about french fleet since no french ship currently in en is used for meta comps (saint louis a bit but there are better choices)

sandbag means waiting for opponents to use their attempts before attacking to get bonus score points

[proper sorrel]

@storm jewel give her a PRudder

[rocky shadow]

Well, usually i always use my attempt after reset? Is that wrong?

I just want to get Admiral rank

After that idc

[upper sparrow]

Sandbag make ur attempt to reach admiral of the navy easier

[zenith tundra]

as i said u want for people to use their attempts before attacking so just rushing attempts is bad unless u have to go to bed or cannot play for a while

[upper sparrow]

Also counted u maybe miss attemp cause overslept or work

[rocky shadow]

I will try that, i never consider about sandbag before

So, i have to wait until my attempt 10/10?

[zenith tundra]

that's how sandbagging is usually done because it gives u the highest chances for people to use their attempts

u need a 35 pts difference in the 10 base score part of the season for a +1 bonus

[rocky shadow]

I just realized of my attempt is 5/10, i endup with rank ~100

If i have 10/10 maybe i can reach admiral

[zenith tundra]

10/10 is used because eventually ur score is so high that u end up passing most people even when u rush to 5/10 before a reset

top sandbagger this season in avrora was rank 8 at 5/10 attempts before last reset

if he were to use all he would lose points since fighting lower opponents gives negative bonus points

[rocky shadow]

Lower opponents is like third or fourth position?

[zenith tundra]

not always u need to check rank

when u are so high like top 20 ur entire list can be lower opponents

even top 1000 can happen that 3/4 opponents are lower ranks for reasons

[rocky shadow]

But the problem most people use meta fleet

[zenith tundra]

if u want high ranks u need a good fleet

[rocky shadow]

I cant win again them (IM not using hms or ijn fleet)

[ebon schooner]

unless your fleet is complete dogshit, you should be able to win 99% matches with enough retreats

[rocky shadow]

I just want get admiral thats it

[zenith tundra]

rank is still based on score so sandbagging is the only way to get more score

[rocky shadow]

Usually i can get admiral in 7 day but that if i not lose

Sometimes i got bad luck then lose

[zenith tundra]

u know u can always reset fights by pausing and exiting

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

there is no penalty for it

[rocky shadow]

But that cheating

Hmm, but maybe i need to try that

[zenith tundra]

if u don't want to do that u just make a meta fleet that has really good win-rate. if u don't have that yet then u are just making ur life harder for no reason

[rocky shadow]

And my attempt is still same before attack?

[zenith tundra]

is like u never even entered the battle

nothing changes at all

[rocky shadow]

Ah ok, sandbag and reset battle if i feel i will lose

[zenith tundra]

and try always to attack higher ranked opponents to avoid losing points to negative bonuses

[rocky shadow]

So of i attack low fleet lower than me i get negative bonuses?

[zenith tundra]

yes

rank tho

not fleet power or anything else

i'm rank 192

if i attack anyone that is not leftmost right now i get +9 or +8 instead of base which is +10

[ebon schooner]

aulder is someone i noted as a known rusher

[zenith tundra]

if he can rush enough for a +1 tho

sumire is plan b i didn't even notice him in list

[ebon schooner]

he'll give you the +1, but sometimes he moves within the first hour or the last 30-10mins which i dont like

[zenith tundra]

if he rushes too early might be an easy +1

[ebon schooner]

why change your rush strat

[rocky shadow]

@zenith tundra so if i was you i should attack left most?

[zenith tundra]

yes

i'm waiting for end of reset to see if anyone moves enough for a bonus tho

[rocky shadow]

What if i attack right most?

[ebon schooner]

but right now, he is going to wait for aulder to move (use attacks) to get bonus points

-1 point

or more

[zenith tundra]

that's a -2 for sure

u will get a +8 score instead of +10 after winning the battle

[rocky shadow]

So, i will get 10 point if i attack someone higher than me?

[zenith tundra]

at this point of the season yes

it's based on Rank what base score is. there is a chart in pins with base scores

[rocky shadow]

Well, that going to be difficult but i will try

[ebon schooner]

thats really blurry

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528067922984173582/577409146744340490/unknown.png

[rocky shadow]

When enemy choose reset?

[ebon schooner]

the reset is universal

[rocky shadow]

Every some hour?

[zenith tundra]

resets are at 12am 12pm 6pm server times

[ebon schooner]

it depends on your timezone

[rocky shadow]

Alright thank everyone, the tips give me more hopes

[granite flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d4HDZ-pi0s
tirpitz outdamaging dev 30 fdg

how

lucky VG hits?

[karmic forum]

No Juneau no problem

[vague token]

torps whiffed hard

he has aurora, he should be doing big damage at 0 xD

[zenith tundra]

tirp with 40% dmg barely outdmg fdg

both using 457 so it's rng whoever actually hits backlines or just wastes shoots in water

he should show at least 10 matches with tirp outdmg fdg in at least 5+

not just 1 result screen

is like me posting random ss of yukikaze mvp over azuma and fdg

also i like choice of using a team full pr2 gear vs a team that has no pr2 ship in it

[granite flame]

when I made the request, I asked for that KMS fleet vs hiryuu backline, guess he did the first one he found

[zenith tundra]

by the time u reach that u'll have to deal with harder stuff then namaryuu

[granite flame]

idk what im doing wrong, I can beat any meta fleet with KMS (after some resets), but hiryuukai

[vague token]

i mean, full kms has 0 aa

[granite flame]

yea, its rough

[zenith tundra]

btw what meta do u beat that isn't namaryuu?

[granite flame]

hard enough to snipe hiryuu already with KMS add juneau into their comp to heal her when shes low and its almost impossible to win with it

Relevant meta
Namagi Warkai Juneau Yuki azuma 5 star
Namagi suruga Juneau azuma Yuki
Namagi FDG 5 star Juneau Azuma 5 star yuki

Lesser meta
WFC HMS
QE Dido HMS
WASDE
Hiryuu Amagi Enty Juneau Yuki Bel

but, 5 stars, so not even full power yet

mb, namagi suruga had belfast, not azuma.

It took several resets for the relevant meta ones, I only upload videos on 2-3 wins consistent wins so I didn't bother recording the others

several being 6+ attempts

[zenith tundra]

fdg before dev 30 is not really strong

namagi ws is still worse namagi defense comp of the t0-1 ones

and suruga tbh is just stalling

but anyway u don't really have strong defenses outside of namaryuu before 457 ws and maxed fdg

[granite flame]

I'll have to wait till people finish Azuma and FDG before complaining about hiryuu again

anyway to deal with hiryuu as of now

warkai?

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu will always be a wall for some comps

it's just with pr2 namaryuu is not really that strong anymore on defense

yeah ws is best way of dealing with hiryuu

with a tanky vg

[zenith tundra]

how do i get r1 so i can catch up

rank 4 wtf

soon rank 1 hooloovoo

[shell heron]

r4 already

[ionic magnet]

weird season

[zenith tundra]

soon need to refresh to avoid -1 on 5th attempt

famine 7th and i'm 8th

[shell heron]

I'm 71

[ionic magnet]

1 day more before gensui

[zenith tundra]

should be sooner

[shell heron]

I feel too behind.

I might go for AotN on gensui rush

[zenith tundra]

14pts behind is a bit might still get like top 15

plus aotn rush might help u a lot more then top scorers

[shell heron]

only 3-4 behind my reference. 2590 is still possible

[frail orbit]

1915 and still waiting for +1

Refresh? Now at position 485 zzz

[zenith tundra]

in this stage i would just stick to a list of known people with attempts rather then trying to fish for easy bonuses

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra so just rush? Need to cover in -7 on to get around u guys tho

[buoyant parrot]

:D

[zenith tundra]

what does rushing have to do with this?

[frail orbit]

Dahm too sleepo

[vague token]

time to make the google doc of players

and their rush times

jk

[frail orbit]

Also need at least +1 2x zzz

Minimize that -7 zzzz

[zenith tundra]

u can try refreshing then i don't think it will change much if u just have to rush

[frail orbit]

Might as well just wait for another hour . . .

[zenith tundra]

i'll base myself on luck anyway

if u want to make a list of rushers for this part of the season u just need to look at top 100 like every 30m-1h and write down names of who rushed in that interval

[frail orbit]

Just wait then

Might as well just have a nap already

[ripe latch]

kek, this fucking game still give me misses with sg radars

[zenith tundra]

35 hit is still only 35 hit

[upper sparrow]

Rainbow sg radar when

[zenith tundra]

rainbow hpfcr

[ripe latch]

gold toolbox

[naive dome]

is it worth it to use centaur if I don't have formidable?

[upper sparrow]

Centaur can combined with other comp too

[true vale]

So, I heard you guys wanted some burst damage (I made this video in PVE, because I couldn't be bothered to wait for procs) and Bremerton is just there for leveling.

But! Look at the clock, everything except for the first Amagi Volley happens literally after Second 16, so the entire damage is frontloaded into the SG Radar Range from helena.

This is with F6Fs / Heckdabs / Cudas on both carriers, and 406 on Amagi. I feel like that would be a pretty neat aggro fleet for offense.

I could see this comp working with Yuki in front and Sandy in Backmost so she gets the +eva from helena.

[ebon schooner]

[ripe latch]

burning
9/10 lvl chapter

[celest obsidian]

so SB2C Helldiver deals more damage than most of golden planes?

[ripe latch]

sb2c > all golden planes

[celest obsidian]

holy moly

even worth losing that 20 AVI?

[true vale]

Yes

[finite valve]

having 1k dmg stat going to be useless if your weapon deal 1 dmg

[celest obsidian]

my life has changed and there's no way back

thanks

[true vale]

It has the highest surface-DPS for medium and heavy, and about as much on light as the Stuka

The only arguable scenario where you want something else would be graf, which you shouldn't use in first place cause she's a terrible carrier in pvp

[shell heron]

when I'm 14 points behind Hoo. What the heck is this season?

[hot creek]

you lose a match or something?

[shell heron]

just the worst season start I ever had. when my points was the same as kiro's at one time

and he lost a match

[midnight crest]

yo @karmic forum
this is why naga, hiryuu, ws > naga, ama, ws

https://youtu.be/jZShM_LxVNI

well if they have juneau instead of ayaya... well still no chance

[ripe latch]

why u nagato get all shells? sg + white ?

[light crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466250908682944522/718180981256880128/unknown.png

[ripe latch]

hm , save 1 reset for him?

[zenith tundra]

@true vale does having a 60% wr makes akaga a good comp? also if u want to actually try that i would suggest using ws instead of amagi. don't think amagi does anything for foxes if u are aiming for speed killing opponents.
u also need sirius/aurora if u want to clear vg not sandy that has no use in pvp

[ripe latch]

or w8 someone

[midnight crest]

ring ship is p2w

[ripe latch]

ring is nothing

[midnight crest]

well i test helena retro in pvp... it's pretty good

i need to skill up her third skill and hopefully she have better survivability, so she can have a chance to proc radar scan the 2nd time

[hot creek]

Personally, I would label anything around 50% WR the bare minimum for "acceptable/viable".

[vague token]

that's the bare min in like any game

[zenith tundra]

if u have oathed akaga timing doesn't work even with vt-18

do i need +6 planes?

[ripe latch]

oathing akaga for timings its next lvl

[zenith tundra]

u oath akaga for skins but anyway that practically doesn't work if u ever oath them

nothing left to hit anything at 16s mark

[ripe latch]

hm , but why kiro make calc for this ?

if 0.2-0.4 its nothing

[whole terrace]

I prefer akaga's original skins

[ebon schooner]

Their summer skins are such trash

[granite flame]

famine has dev 30 azumama friedrice ?

EN?

[hot creek]

he's had em for awhile now

[whole terrace]

[hot creek]

I think nearly a month already

[granite flame]

[zenith tundra]

no 457 yet

so rip him

[ripe latch]

hard food

[vague token]

heh, last two weeks ive gotten like 6 457 bps

soon (tm)

[hot creek]

G-531 has been bankrupting me lately, since I pretty much only do equipment projects now.

[frail orbit]

Same

To the point only 10 coins left

During yesterday

[magic storm]

Hey guys, I want to start leveling up my PvP rank and was looking for a good comp. I'm currently using Enty/WarKai/Hood and Portland/Laffey/Aya but that's because they're my best ones. I'm planning to use Noshiro/Aya/Yukikaze as VG and I got Nagato in the back, who should I use as other Backline ship ? I don't have Amagi

I'm also open to suggestions for my VG

[ripe latch]

show what u have for main now

tosa / suruga etc

[magic storm]

Do you mean my leveled ships ?

Because I don't have much

Or my main formation

[ripe latch]

make screen your fleets

or ships

[magic storm]

That's my main fleet, gear is probably not optimized for PvP though

Also, Laffey is normally in the middle, my bad

[ripe latch]

u can farm monarch and replace enty after . laffey bad for pvp(but around low lvl not good) , so u need juneau .
and 105-110 lvl its nothing for top1000 +/- so any high lvl (if u have - 110-115) ships better then 105-110

[magic storm]

I do have Juneau lvl 70, guess I should replace her

[ripe latch]

just lvl up on dorm around 105-110 , this enough

[magic storm]

Also, they are my highest lvl ship, Portland is the only 110+

[ripe latch]

for low rank u fleet enough . for high places u can check pins for tier list

[magic storm]

That's my current rank

Haven't played much PvP so I'm trying to catch up

[raven imp]

Remove Juneau.

[magic storm]

I don't have her in my PvP team, she's just a little leveled up

[ebon schooner]

You may want to get on that

[elder crane]

Anyways
you're still at the point where levels are king
just look over the PvP comp listing pinned up top, and pick something to work towards in the long run

[crude mortar]

Caylenne vs Caylm

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

been seeing a lot of sanrui lately

[ripe latch]

not have refresh

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar rush pls so that I could eat u ASAP

🥘

[zenith tundra]

🚮

no backline dmg at all tbh even main vs main it doesn't do dmg

[frail orbit]

And u expect backline dmg from non Wakai or non CV team keks

[zenith tundra]

not really

but i expect more for ships that do dmg in pve but i guess that dmg is just overkill light armor small ships

that vg tho is really terrible

full oxy

[crude mortar]

@frail orbit whats ur score

[zenith tundra]

even if it deletes 2/3 of my vg it does nothing because no dmg on main

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar 2016

[crude mortar]

1996+50=2046

2016+35=2051

[ebon schooner]

nice math

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar still 10/10

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

Oh well fuck

Just take another one of yours lah

Down to 4/10

[zenith tundra]

namagi fdg also doesn't have ws or cv and still does backline dmg

so u don't need those

[frail orbit]

And comparing to FDG seems off lah

Given that barrage of mommy FDG

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

Fok

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

Gud boy

Got my +1

Thx for the food

[zenith tundra]

when do people choose to attack when they already have a +1 during rush? i usually wait for at least 20 or more people that i can get in list that could give me a +1 after that attempt

[karmic forum]

Its a balance between not waiting too long and not pushing too early

Although sometimes you will land on someone who is in the middle of pushing or will push soon if you take an early bonus

Getting a +2 on first match would be sweet though

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if i can lucksacc a 5th +1 into that

not even close

[karmic forum]

Finally got punsihed for going to bed early

Been a while since I had to eat a +9 this early

[zenith tundra]

u didn't get anyone above at rank 30?

wtf

[karmic forum]

I used two resets to try to get another +1 at the start of the day

Turns out I needed those two at the end

[zenith tundra]

i wasted 1 refresh earlier trying to get a +1 and after that it gave all behind at rank 60

like wtf

now down to 2

[karmic forum]

Yeah I've never seen that happen before

Usually 60+ is safe no matter what

[zenith tundra]

more like 57 but still

[karmic forum]

I still consider 50 fairly safe

If I get a dead list then its an unlucky roll

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure my score rn is at least top 5. the game just wanted to be a dick

[karmic forum]

Seems pretty high but I expect JP to be higher than EN

[zenith tundra]

stuck with this and 2 refreshes. seems like i'll be lucky for a +2 next reset

[coral wren]

the 126 looks reliable

[ripe latch]

134 and 136

what they do it in game

[zenith tundra]

close to drop matches. glad i found 2 weak fleets for fast matches

should thank shimarin for his bad defense fleet

[shell heron]

I see you creeping up on famine.

[zenith tundra]

i'm aiming for hooloovoo, he's just in the way

[shell heron]

Meanwhile im here hoping for a good gensui rush bonus this time. Anything to close the gap

[zenith tundra]

11 behind at least u recovered some points

[glacial shuttle]

if I wanted to marry just to be an asshole on PvP, then they must be Namaryuu + Yukineau?

or Grobe instead of Hiryuu?

[frail orbit]

Amagi + FDG just bkoz both being mommy

[ripe latch]

[glacial shuttle]

to this day in any server, Nagato and Amagi are a must, right?

[hot creek]

yeah those two are strong. another alternative comp is Warspite/Amagi/FDG

but I think Namagi is better overall especially with Azuma around.

and Nagato's barrage

as far as most annoying defense NamagiFDG vs Namagiryuu, I'm not sure since there aren't any proper NamagiFDG to test against on EN. Besides mine of course

[rocky shadow]

Can i use jenau to attack fleet?

[hot creek]

If she stays alive long enough to heal well, yes.

[rocky shadow]

But jenau attack or defense orianted?

[hot creek]

Both. Juneau is eternal.

[glacial shuttle]

So, if I were to use Namaryuu or Namaspite, but move onto NamaFDG later at some point (maxing Azuma atm), who are the best vanguards?
Someone between YKKZ, Noshiro, Azuma, Aurora, Sheffy and Juneau?

[rocky shadow]

Ok then

Is namaspite good?

Interesting maybe i will use namaspite after i got nagato

Enty, warkai, amagi is good enough?

[hot creek]

Everyone says Azuma/Juneau/Yukikaze is best bar none. However, after preliminary testing I'm not fully convinced Azuma is the absolute best, at least as an attacker. It's probably best on defense though thanks to Azuma being able to snipe backlines easier due to defense proximity and the enemy VG having less space to move around.

[glacial shuttle]

so for attacking, replacing Yukikaze for Noshiro would be better?

[hot creek]

Not necessarily. Losing out on Yukikaze's damage reduction is rather signifigant.

[rocky shadow]

How big 8 percent damage reduction?

[silent ocean]

dr and she heals them not sure if the heal is worth but ik the dr is

[hot creek]

Honestly if you were to replace anyone with Noshiro, I think it might be Azuma. I'm just not completely convinced Azuma is the strictly better option atm. Azuma is still a really good general tank who has good offenses but Noshiro is still a decent tech option.

[rocky shadow]

Im thinking replace belfast with yukikaze for mf dr? worth?

[glacial shuttle]

so using Namaspite or Namaryuu + YKKZ + Noshiro or Azuma (d20) + Juneau for now should be ok until I get 457 + FdG to a better lvl since she's d10 atm?

Been using WFC + Aurora but been choking lately

[hot creek]

Yes, IJN fleet is better by a large margin. Check the pins, theres a tierlist.

However if you are actually aiming to make an annoying defense, there are subtle differences in the choices you'll wanna make as far as comp/positioning and equipment.

[rocky shadow]

In cn/jp is ijn still meta in there?

[hot creek]

Always and has been. Well, except that one time CN was using USS a long long time ago.

[rocky shadow]

Good then

[hot creek]

IJN bias too stronk. Except for when they randomly make op ships like WSkai and FDG which end up being assimilated into IJN fleet anyways

[rocky shadow]

Why not combine them then? Ijn + op ship

Like namaspite or namafdg

[hot creek]

That is what assimilate means, yes.

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

free +1

after a +2

[forest lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3umSpARjHI

Pog

[silent ocean]

dont show me this was gonna skip fml

hmm no fdgs though?

[forest lake]

no fdg but that vg was stil p chonky

[zenith tundra]

omg... torp vg

no juneau no fdg

let's test against random fleets and then reset against actual comps

[silent ocean]

yeah but i mean that comp rt or w/e they are fighting is like over 80% of the teams i see

in en

[zenith tundra]

and those 80% of the teams are just bad tbh

good defenses are few

most is just badly equipped stuff that relies on torp rng to beat bad equipped comps

[forest lake]

either way it's a fact that the vg went through a lot of damage

[zenith tundra]

if majority of opponents mean meta stuff then in my jp server u can win with any lvl 120 ships

torp are a poor excuse for a defense tbh if u lose to them u only got unlucky

[forest lake]

I mean do you even lose to anything other than torp memes

[silent ocean]

hmm so heres a question about sendai and formidable

so when their slows or w/e take affect my vangaurd stops moving before the debuff takes effect or even show up and not like slowed but 100% stops moving

[zenith tundra]

i want to see someone actually testing against namagi fdg with azuma yukikaze juneau vg to prove a comp is good not some random comp with torp, no fdg and no juneau. to beat ws u need a tank and that's it

as long as u have a tank u can beat any ws comp ever on defense

[forest lake]

Bruh chill out, I'm not even saying it's gonna be an effective fleet

Dude could've just had bad refreshes

[zenith tundra]

every single video ever posted around here is never against a full meta fleet

[shy hazel]

the only thing is

nothig will replace current meta

[zenith tundra]

that's my problem. these test don't mean nothing since most comps are just to be breezed trough since they aren't good. few defenses will force resets and u need to test against those not the one that any half decent team can beat

[forest lake]

I didn't even say it's gonna be a meta fleet

Or it was gonna beat meta fleets

Just said the vg was chonkier than expected

[upper sparrow]

[hot creek]

Well, at least the attacker isn't using Juneau either so its not completely unfair vs Juneau-less enemy.

[coral wren]

That looks like a really strong fleet @forest lake
Time to invest in those units

[midnight heron]

meta fleet or not theres always the rare fleet with suboptimal equips that causes you to reset so

[zenith tundra]

my richelieu is level 113 so i'll test soon enough

the hardest part will be finding a good defense to do so

[midnight heron]

also wat actually counts as a gud defense to warrant a test? there hav been many times dat ive been forced to reset by comps dat arent "gud defense" by dis channel's standards

[coral wren]

for zack, namagi fdg with azuma yukikaze juneau vg

also make sure dev and equips are ok

[midnight heron]

i just find the supposed "tests" kinda biased

if u only ever fight ur so-called "meta" fleets and rarely any other comps u come across

[zenith tundra]

the thing is u don't have problem till u have problems

the fleet that should give u problems are very few u ever fight in a season

[crude mortar]

if every fleet give me problem,then there is no special fleet that give me special problem

[zenith tundra]

i mean good offensive teams. is like some t2 teams that can breeze trough most fights till u find the one comp u win 70% of the time against or maybe less

i just lost to that

no azuma even

[smoky elk]

does JB's face sum up the experience?

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

3-3 so far and i just either demolished that team or just didn't even kill 1 backline

5-5 after 10 attempts

take it as u want i think it's literally torp memes for backlines

lots of burst dmg that can be totally wasted in open water

[ripe latch]

amagi and juneau on fr fleet

[smoky elk]

and

[crude mortar]

triple french

danq for maximum vg destroy

[ripe latch]

le mali carry

[zenith tundra]

seems like killing opponent vg mean u can still lose pretty consistently main vs main with saint louis

[ripe latch]

jb with ihr or double sg

but too low eva

[zenith tundra]

jb being full hp doesn't help the other 2 dying

and that's armor rudder amagi and sg beaver richy

i had better attempts letting jb die instead of amagi

[ripe latch]

maybe need ship on vg who decreased dmg to main

gascogne muse can decrease dmg yourself

and get buff

if we cannot tanky we can deal more dmg

[zenith tundra]

nah just jb tank is much better

the whole problem with this team is if u don't hit anything on preload

[ripe latch]

its only jb problem

gun very bad , really

even if u replace on other ship this gun get 3/4 misses

(380 quad)

[zenith tundra]

if opponent vg is slow it will just murder it

this team will have great wr against bad vg teams

can't wait for everyone to say it's a t0 comp because it can beat any meta with bad equipped vg

it does really well when vg doesn't dodge shit

[ripe latch]

hms go down on tier list?

[zenith tundra]

i still think it's not really good on defense so it won't change much for other teams

but could actually be good enough for t2 maybe even t1

considering my richy is unoathed and underleveled

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra what about this? trash? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Algérie

[zenith tundra]

idk u'd have to choose in between alrgerie saint and yuki for 2 slots