pvp

[sour oasis]

Yeah. I guess Cay isn't in a great spot either.

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 1118 at 9/10

[hot creek]

Oh, if you're four matches down and he's not down any then theres a good chance you can get bonus off him.

but you might have to use the hold technique and hope he doesnt use the same against you lol

[sour oasis]

I just got to Cay. I have to wait for them to move... which should be in 3h

[karmic forum]

Not sure if its just me but Cay's table seems to have a really good gensui rush

[sour oasis]

Well... Friday is when more people become rushers. (Like me) So just ride the wave.

[karmic forum]

He got 5 bonuses in the initial rush

[zenith tundra]

+6 1st reset is the most off tbh

[sour oasis]

+6 during gensui rush?!

[zenith tundra]

yes 1st reset of rush

[karmic forum]

We were talking about how we were really ahead of the chart prior to gensui rush

But none of us got bonuses like that

And the score ended up being only slighly higher in the end.

[zenith tundra]

also +7 last 10 is a lot

[sour oasis]

Am I reading the right chart? The pinned table shows +1 (continuously)

[karmic forum]

Could be from a season with more active participants though

I know that last season was kinda disrupted by the long maint

[sour oasis]

I usually get four +1 every 5 tix during AotN rush.

[zenith tundra]

5 bonuses 1st rush is not unlikely

[shell heron]

Oh hi

this season has not been kind to me with early bonuses

[zenith tundra]

what are u at?

[shell heron]

1105 8/10

which is 14 behind of where I should be on average

the moment I was 1 point ahead of Kiro when he dropped a match

that's pretty bad

@karmic forum that recorded gensui rush was a pretty good one with +6, but I expect +4 to be a better average

[zenith tundra]

is +7 last 10 attempts reasonable? seems a lot to me

[shell heron]

now that is just stupid luck right there

but I got +5 last on the last 2 resets last season so maybe

[vague token]

wait

1105 8/10?

you're dunked, im 103 9/10

xD

rng has murdered you

[shell heron]

it has, never seen so many dead resets on the first 4 days in my pvp career

[vague token]

although i think im not getting any bonus

xD

[shell heron]

not even 1 or 2

but almost every reset

[vague token]

[ebon schooner]

garbage season, everyone is rush farming

[vague token]

ah yes, fdg oath looking skin

meanwhile

[zenith tundra]

my season is good in spite of not even trying tbh

[shell heron]

where are all my rushers? I'm hungry without my food

[ebon schooner]

in d2

[zenith tundra]

i only got +1 last reset and seems like a +1 this one too

[past egret]

I’m like 30 points behind where I’m suppose to be this season even with rushers

[shell heron]

I feel like I should just become the food on gensui rush.

even 2590 don't feel possible

[finite valve]

457 use on who again?
ws is using it atm
when fdg comes do i swap it to her?

[hot creek]

get two of them and use both on ws+fdg

WS is probably the better choice though, if you only have one and are using both WS and FDG at the same time.

[crude mortar]

2 of them losing alot of burn dmg

[zenith tundra]

+1 reset

[ionic magnet]

already rank 100

[shell heron]

I'm only 2 points up from the current r1

[ionic magnet]

thats like 30 pts below me

did you miss charges

[shell heron]

just really bad matches

[ionic magnet]

rip

well its still early

p sure ill eat lots of +9s soon

[shell heron]

gonna need some really good luck on +1s if I want to catch up

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score hooloo i'm at 1158 but nowhere close top 100

[ionic magnet]

1164 5/10

was rank 125 when i rush just now

[zenith tundra]

i was confused by the 30 pts

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

seems like i can't math

ffs

[ionic magnet]

looks like when you get good bonus at start

it just keeps snowballing

im not used to this lol

always 2-3 bonus per reset

[zenith tundra]

being able to always move seems beneficial for bonuses

[hot creek]

Im at same score, been getting pretty dead lists on final recharge though.

[zenith tundra]

can suicide damage target an invincible ship?

or it always goes for ships that can be damaged

[ionic magnet]

yea it can get wasted if it goes to hiryuu/enty for example

just like any other dmg type

[zenith tundra]

good to know i wasn't sure if it actually, for once, has good targeting or not

[ionic magnet]

yea i tested that before when i failed to kill amagi during hiryuu final counter

the dmg dont add up so p sure it still aims hiryuu and then gets wasted

[vague token]

it's kinda weird crash doesnt hit lucky e

considering it has no accuracy check

[zenith tundra]

sounds like spaghetti coding for sure

[vague token]

i mean, they'd have to make a special exemption for lucky e

[zenith tundra]

who even knows how they coded that enty skill

[vague token]

i mean, it still has the other normal evasion stuff

dots still tick and ramming still works

[zenith tundra]

iirc it even blocks suicide dmg in pve?

[vague token]

dunno

[zenith tundra]

i could try and test that

if it actually stops suicide dmg in pve then it's normal for it to block pvp as well

~~ still doesn't make sense tho ~~

[vague token]

🍝

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

yep no suicide dmg taken with lucky e

2 bomb boats 0 dmg

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

in en enty and rudder have same exact wording. does that mean rudder proc also stops suicide dmg? that would be consistent somehow

[crude mortar]

its supposed to?

cuz i havn't seen any dmg taken when rudder proc

[zenith tundra]

evasion shouldn't affect suicide damage

[crude mortar]

its evade incoming

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't have an evasion check

[crude mortar]

evade damage =/= evasion isn't it

else accuracy rate would've deal dmg to rudder

[zenith tundra]

the word is the same tho

evasion and evade aren't different things

[crude mortar]

it supposed to be different

how could I make it into word

like

[vague token]

negate? xD

[crude mortar]

plane crash

ignore evasion

but doesn't ignore evade

[vague token]

owari da should just be Negate Attacks

[crude mortar]

owarida doesn't negate burn damage or flood

[zenith tundra]

the problem is wording doesn't make sense since evasion and evading are same thing.

[crude mortar]

it dodge in coming attack

but if your ship already burns

it still take damage

[vague token]

in which case needs better localization

xD

[crude mortar]

its like your ship is evading incoming attack

rudder too

so it suppoosed to evade

a plane that try to crash your face

its working as intended

isn't it

[zenith tundra]

even dodge is a better word just not the exact same

[vague token]

if only suicide damage didnt ignore hit check

lul

[crude mortar]

if rudder is evasion then accuracy rate should've hit rudder or enty

[vague token]

but they could just change the wording to Negate Attacks

[crude mortar]

they try to make it sound like

[vague token]

or Negate Incoming Attacks

[crude mortar]

you have this engine

[zenith tundra]

they could... will it ever happen tho?

[crude mortar]

your ship so fast and it evade attack

not negate attack

[vague token]

except it doesnt work like that

since it evades something that doesnt have a hit roll

thus Negate is the better word

[crude mortar]

its evade

it should be absolute evade

[vague token]

in which case suicide is Absolute Hit

xD

mechanically it doesnt have a dice roll

[crude mortar]

cuz if it negate damage then it negate burn damage

[vague token]

i didnt say damage

i said attacks

[silent ocean]

like intrepids skill?

[vague token]

Negate Attacks only means things that deliver damage

[crude mortar]

but it doesn't negate burn damage

[vague token]

eg damage sources

the method of delivery

dots =/= attacks

[zenith tundra]

if u say negate incoming attacks doesn't mean it ignores ones from before

[vague token]

also ramming isnt an attack really since it hurts both xD

so it's fine

;)

[zenith tundra]

rudder does indeed seem to stop suicide damage as well

[vague token]

oh god no wonder there's some heavy rng on double cv

xD

if you go too fast

oops rudder proc

[crude mortar]

yes

use akaga

kappa

[vague token]

kek

if only there was a slower fighter so i could push things back xD

with a bigger bomb or something

[zenith tundra]

well it's hard to hit with suicide dmg by 22s

[vague token]

dive cuda focus pushes you up if you run beacon

[zenith tundra]

maybe cent can actually get chucked by it

[vague token]

taihou with bacon and double cuda hits around 20.4 take off

not sure how long travel time of cuda is

xD

[zenith tundra]

double vf-17 cuda cent seem to start hitting suicide by 24s

i want to see with beacon and avgas

[vague token]

i dont think id ever run bacon + gas

xD

i run rudder/"sg" on taihou since she can sponge ws + amagi

[zenith tundra]

u still only start hitting by 23s

[vague token]

aight

[zenith tundra]

~~ time for skyrocket ~~

seems like 1 buffalo and 1 vf-17 is getting very close to 22s

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/FQA9t/dc8d9cca9b.png will this display 16k to others? or is fleet tech skewing the number lol.

I still need to get my amagi to 200 aff so theres room for improvement

[zenith tundra]

numbers are always with fleet tech

[hot creek]

now the question is, will it be using my fleet tech numbers or their fleet tech numbers. IIRC there was an issue initially where your fleet tech was being applied to the enemy lol.

I guess I just have to wait for someone to get me on their list.

[zenith tundra]

just ask someone to ss ur fleet when top 100

[hot creek]

o damn. good idea.

[coral wren]

i help if u avrora

[zenith tundra]

he's on sandy

[coral wren]

rip

[hot creek]

[ionic magnet]

you can just check top100 yourself

should show a lower fp

[zenith tundra]

it's better if someone else checks it just to make sure it's not affected by ur own fleet tech

shouldn't be the case anyway

[ionic magnet]

no i mean it will show a lower fp than the one in screenshot

tried it a while back

[zenith tundra]

does it?

is it the same for everyone tho?

[ionic magnet]

yea kinda confused tbh

[zenith tundra]

can u post r1 in avrora pls?

want to see if it is different based on who views it

[hot creek]

inb4 darkrova

[ionic magnet]

but im sure it will not show the same fp that you see in battle screen

[zenith tundra]

that's fine i just want to check this

i'll see for myself once i hit top 100

[zenith tundra]

do u remember if before checking u got any new ship or any fleet tech?

[ionic magnet]

lol its different

[zenith tundra]

kekw scuffed

[ionic magnet]

spaghetti strikes again

[zenith tundra]

it does count own fleet tech

it's not that bad all considered maybe

if u know what ur bis is u can see if their matches

still so stupid that applies own fleet tech to others fleet power

[ionic magnet]

now i wonder why is it different from battle screen

[zenith tundra]

so to answer phoenix if anyone has enough fleet tech they will see it as 16k

[ionic magnet]

if it counts your own tech pts

[zenith tundra]

it's not even like lower to say it doesn't count it it's plain different

[ionic magnet]

need to recheck first cos its like montgs now since i saw that

[hot creek]

I wanna quick farm Amagi affinity but don't wanna abuse 1-1 since my ships owned to attacks ratio is already kinda skewed

[zenith tundra]

1-1 is the only answer to fast

[hot creek]

I only ever used 1-1 ambush farm for like 4 or 5 ships so I think the 9-3 mob only farm might have actually impacted it more.

[zenith tundra]

i only used 1-1 for juneau and ws since both were 120 already

idk if i would farm non event maps with a 120 ship for affection tbh

[hot creek]

yeah I decided against it. I have to pay an extra tax to farm D2 tho since no BC only allowed lul. https://puu.sh/FQAvZ/b7716a1ff3.png

[zenith tundra]

lvl 1 oklahoma sounds better

[crude mortar]

!

WHY

did i

ever think of this

lv1 suicide ship

*never

[silent ocean]

😄 i use bulions to sac XD

[crude mortar]

ima just use cl

and lv1 dd

[silent ocean]

sad thing its level 70 now >.>

[crude mortar]

lv1 spence

[hot creek]

tru. I actually did do that before but getting A ranks from random okla death is annoying. plus I'm still farming izumo backline XP so its not bad.

[crude mortar]

sacrificial lamb

[upper sparrow]

I just wondering is oklahoma, memes aside, her "vice defence" skill is good on pvp?

I mean, look at 50% reducing damage, thats good amirite?

[crude mortar]

are you unironically wanna use her in pvp?

[upper sparrow]

No, just asking

But well nah why not

[crude mortar]

[upper sparrow]

So it is good or no?

[crude mortar]

8% chance to reduce 50%

and only one hit

average 4% dmg reduction total

4% overall dmg reduction

[zenith tundra]

8% chance is not something worth having fate in

[upper sparrow]

4%? How come?

[crude mortar]

7k hp

other ship with 8k hp

already as tanky as her

[upper sparrow]

Where is the 4% overall dr come from?

[zenith tundra]

8% chance every attack does 0.50 damage. 8x0.5=4

[crude mortar]

math

if u take 1 damage per hit

100 hit 100dmg

[upper sparrow]

I see

[crude mortar]

and 8 hit you take 0.5

92+4

96

[upper sparrow]

im bad at math even though im asian forgive me

[crude mortar]

you are the disgrace of our asian race

commit sudoku now

is this +1 or +0?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[crude mortar]

0?

[zenith tundra]

math wise would need around at least 450 for a +1

that is with average score/ranking calculations

[crude mortar]

and not alot of people do pvp now cuz farming

[zenith tundra]

it usually need higher rank tho (lower number)

[zenith rover]

What is good pvp lineup

[zenith tundra]

check tl in pins

[silent ocean]

:^)

[crude mortar]

use these ship

[smoky elk]

she suffer the most

[upper sparrow]

Hiryuu emote when

[naive dome]

why does that Bob ross happy accident meme not have Noshiro?

[ripe latch]

Hiryuu emote when
@upper sparrow

[crude mortar]

this seems like a bonus to me

[zenith tundra]

yes

[hot creek]

🍽️

[upper sparrow]

@ripe latch i thought that shimakaze emote lol

[shell heron]

now I start getting consistent bonuses

when it's only +1s

[karmic forum]

Looks like I don't have to wait long to test Helena kai

[past egret]

Still no skill/info leaked tho

[crude mortar]

is it just me or I need to eat -1 so I can have 12 hour of peaceful sleep?

if I throw all ticket to 0 I got -1 -1

healthy sleep or 1/6 of gold bulling

[ripe latch]

healthy sleep
pvp

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

not cry , if u sandbang still u can continue way to AoTF

[past egret]

Live by the bag die by the bag

[crude mortar]

cant they just add maximum ticket to 15

so I can do til 5/10 and sleep through 2 reset

*5/15

[past egret]

I wonder how that would affect pvp if they increased match cap

[crude mortar]

bagger stay 10/15

thats it

[past egret]

End of season could have much higher point leads from sand baggers

With bonuses / people who rush

[crude mortar]

people rush staying at 0/15

and 5/15

then 0/15

that mean all sand bagger that stay 10/15

wont meet rusher

this is a pretty good idea to implement rofl

unless 15/15 point of sand bagger equal to 5/15 rusher they wont met

might need to change strategy of sandbagging

alot

[shell heron]

if you want 15 matches. It might as well be changed to one reset per day

eliminates sandbagging

[sour oasis]

[shell heron]

Just do that, remove reseting matches and we have a somewhat competitive PvP system

[coral wren]

1 reset per day

u can still sandbag cant u

[midnight heron]

the only way to remove sandbag is to remove bonus pts

[coral wren]

just dont move unless they move

[midnight heron]

which we know wont ever happen

[coral wren]

and then only force move at final 15mins

yea

if u remove bonus pts then how

aotn rush is just "hope u kill 5 opponents faster than everyone in the server except 9 people"

[midnight heron]

precisely y it wont happen kek

[shell heron]

1 reset per day, that's a full 15 at the start

you try sandbagging, you lose any matches saved

[coral wren]

why

once it resets, i refresh list until i find reliable opponents, then wait

they move i move

[shell heron]

current system need a complete overhaul to make it actually competitive. especially how bonus points are calculated

[coral wren]

too much work for a system not much people play

even amongst the people who play, the ones who care and play for "competitive" are even lesser

[midnight heron]

only other system i can think of is to factor in fleet power, but even dat has its own set of problems like oath increasing fleet power

[coral wren]

im already pretty thankful that faction tech does nothing

🙏

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Imo for a quick fix with still being pretty casual
No rank bonuses
All ranking point gains are increased by 2
Every time you enter a PvP match it costs 1 ranking point

Losses don't consume the charge, just costs that 1 ranking point

[vague token]

so you can just play as much as you want/keep winning

that sounds nice

[elder crane]

oh, also + some sort of friend-challenge casual mode without ranking would be amazing ofc

[vague token]

guild + friend

[hot creek]

if people wanna stop competitive sandbagging as a whole, they should put up a good defense fleet.

making rushing in the last 5 minutes an actual risk to sandbaggers

[elder crane]

idk, 8-9 min rushes are fine anyways

[hot creek]

Im kinda spooked Helena might be op ngl.

[ripe latch]

bonus?

[elder crane]

you can literally check points on leaderboard lmoa

and see if that's +35 or not

and it's most likely not

[ripe latch]

last reset and +10

issou

[vague token]

im trying out chapayev for a bit, melting ykkz without giving up a billion hp might be nice for double cv

xD

aurora reee

[blazing scroll]

I'm kinda hyped for Helena retro

But idk how good it is

[prime panther]

anyone knows whether rudder proc breaks owarida?

[hot creek]

enty launches around 24s. rudder is 20s and only lasts like 2 seconds so no

[prime panther]

i mean when theyre synced, and if it would disable the invuln

[shell heron]

Assume we get it to 20s launch. Don't the red glow for damage buff cover up blue defensive glow.

[prime panther]

im trying to look into ppl reporting enty taking damage during owarida

[shell heron]

Testing it sounds like a lot of setup

[prime panther]

im thinking its rudder buff turning off removing the invuln

not sure if the invuln works as a boolean

[shell heron]

I dont know if people would purposely use fast planes.

Timing just seems off

[karmic forum]

The age of fast planes is over

[prime panther]

but were in the age of ppl doing dumb things

and something like a hood buff could push the proc into a wierd sync

[shell heron]

I honestly dont know. Best way to test it is check if the red glow is active once rudder procs.

It turns blue. I'll assume her normal invun has been overwritten

[prime panther]

i have a long list of stuff to test, so ill eventually get to it if no one else figures it out

[karmic forum]

I'll be trying to make riche work

And Helena kai if the datamines are nice to her

[whole terrace]

ppl reporting enty taking damage during owarida

Did you check if they were talking about burn damage? Since burn damage during owarida is normal

[plain carbon]

She can also be rammed in Owari da

but it could also just look like it and it was burn damage

she wont die from the burn tho, just sit there with 1 hp and wait for death

[whole terrace]

also, little lusty's skill is hit rate it seems

[light crystal]

Boys, think that Helena has a decent chance at making it to Meta?

[ripe latch]

little girl with heavy armor ?? / ??

[light crystal]

If they add another Buff on top of the current one, or just upgrade the current Buff with a "+" with better proc chance, it could happen

[vague token]

if she gets more tank stats she'll be fine too

[ripe latch]

usa fleets again?

hela kai / sandy / juneau / essex + 2

[vague token]

na just use her with better ships xD

[cinder crater]

Can azuma hit enemy backliners while their vanguard is still alive

[vague token]

her guns sometimes can, but her barrage has high chance of doing so

depends on positioning

[ripe latch]

1 hit azuma with helena debuff

[spring fable]

see you out in sandy

[past egret]

🥜

Delicious chocolate

[inner zenith]

I think he has a type

👀

[whole terrace]

white hair right?

[plain carbon]

@spring fable 🍫

[ebon schooner]

Silver/white hair is pretty and aesthetically pleasing

[sour oasis]

How does their vanguard rating reach that high??

[ionic magnet]

rainbow torps + rainbow dildos

can even reach 16k

[frail orbit]

Imagine using oxytorp for stat padding

[vague token]

pretty sure it's easier to use more retros in vg

for free stats

[sour oasis]

Well, saw Cay awhile down. Now I see Famine. You guys just waiting for that midnight push?

[zenith tundra]

~~ u mean 10am push ~~

at least i know famine should be same timezone as me

[shell heron]

I wait til very end

especially since I'm behind

[vague token]

what are you at now

[sour oasis]

Server midnight. Easier for me to go by that.

[shell heron]

1263 8/10

[sour oasis]

I thought Cay would be doing what I am: trying very hard to get every +1 every few hours

Famine and I are 600 spots (maybe 30-ish points) above.

[shell heron]

just some really bad early bonuses

never seen so many dead resets in the first 4 days before. normally it's only 1 or 2

[vague token]

im 1269 8/10

i think you're recovering?

we were further apart earlier i think

[sour oasis]

Check that: 1270 (rank 946) 5/10

[shell heron]

you also dropped a match remember

[vague token]

yes xD

[sour oasis]

I assume famine has 10/10

[shell heron]

I mean worse case scenerio is 1293 5/10 this reset

10 behind my reference table

I think I can salvage this season tbh

gonna be rough though

[sour oasis]

Or hope others screw up

[shell heron]

why I switched back to meta. hope someone afks a match and rng favors me

[vague token]

lul

that'll be meeee

;)

[sour oasis]

Hey, when did Famine get dev 30 Azuma and FdG? That 15k backline is scaring me good.

Well. I think I can get +1 right now... But I also want to hope someone else on my list moves farther up

[ebon schooner]

lol not a while

he had like last week or so

he got fdg dev30 on the 19th

[sour oasis]

[shell heron]

guy spammed blue H as a refresh

it's actually pretty nice

[ebon schooner]

if you have the resources for it

[sour oasis]

🔦

Good day to start

[empty grove]

Phoenix was the one with the gun

My gun is still like mid-late 30s

He should have or be really close to Dev 30 DRs too

[karmic lake]

[hot creek]

yus

[shell heron]

huh, I'm either really behind or sumire is rushing this season

[proper sorrel]

i slept on 2 resets so i gave up on this seaosn

[sour oasis]

Well the Defense fleet is beatable.
Just not by me. Lost the fight so that makes 5 lost tickets.
🍖

[silent ocean]

scuffed for me as well ate 5 lost 2 o well

[coral wren]

how much of a damage increase does an oxytorp provide to noshiro

[ebon schooner]

Oh wow

Agito lvl121

[karmic lake]

[ebon schooner]

[upper sparrow]

[coral wren]

is it u or

[zenith tundra]

same fleet power when top 100 as in my battle screen so it doesn't change

u might have gained some in between when ur fleet was updated and when u checked ur battle one, or en might be just scuffed

[hot creek]

nah I checked when i was top 100 earlier, it was same display like this

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

You guys might want to not refresh me when its gensui rush this season btw

[dry agate]

Helena refit
Will this make her broken in pvp at all?

Or will she still be slapped by Azuma and yuki with Nagato Amagi and Warkai backline?

[shell heron]

we're waiting on datamined skillset to see

[ripe latch]

AA kek

[past egret]

Please no AA skill

Don’t jinx it

[hollow maple]

helena smokescreen

[silent ocean]

or it will be a scan for submarines kek

[ripe latch]

@hollow maple but only hms have smokescreen

and minsk

[hollow maple]

[ripe latch]

and not good ships as how prince

[silent ocean]

could she get more then one ability from the kai or is that unheard of?

[blazing scroll]

It can happen

It's not unusual for a kai to get another skill

[ripe latch]

5% for 10s eva

[past egret]

Stop saying those ideas before they end up becoming reality Niko

[ripe latch]

i just give ideas for devs

[past egret]

my ideal new skills:

100% scan proc chance
USN dmg buff OR dmg dealt increase to sakura/axis ships
If it has to be an AA buff, fleet AA buff instead of self

Evasion buff doesn’t seem good but I may be wrong

[ripe latch]

100% scan proc chance
other ships with 100% skill work with special equip
USN dmg buff OR dmg dealt increase to sakura/axis ships
but only dragon have this.. why usa ship need that?
If it has to be an AA buff, fleet AA buff instead of self
most reality

[blazing scroll]

Just make it like eldridge

But better

[past egret]

[hollow maple]

Historically she used to shoot fast af after retrofit
So she might get laffey like skill

[past egret]

When does the skill reveal come out

Next patch?

[blazing scroll]

Datamining might give it earlier

[hollow maple]

She also got AA guns so aa skill is possible pls no

[crude mortar]

retrofit 60k coin

next week

but we also need coin for event

[hollow maple]

m saving coins till i get richy , then i can use remaining ones on retro

[sour oasis]

I'm just going to RNG 50 ladder points somehow. That's just eating my time.

[sour oasis]

🍖 🚮

[inner zenith]

I have 7k. Time to get stingy on commissions

[ripe latch]

[cursive pebble]

How can I be better at PvP? Most of the time the opponents I get have like 2000+ more vanguard / main fleet power than I do, so I can't compete at all :( I'm level 48 and my ships are around level 80 (the ones I use for PvP are Penny, Warspite, Enty, Yuki, Z23 and Montpelier)

around 8k main fleet power and 7k vanguard

[karmic forum]

Most of the sandbaggers are in the top 100 now

[frail orbit]

@karmic forum anyway, continue sandbag or nope? Now am 1400 exactly, bad season bad points zzzz

[karmic forum]

If I were at 1400 then I'd just gensui rush and call it a season

[frail orbit]

@karmic forum wdym?

[karmic forum]

Keep on sandbagging until friday

[frail orbit]

So basically just next season?

[karmic forum]

Then rush

[frail orbit]

Hmmmmm okay

[karmic forum]

You won't make the leaderboards at the end but at least you get gensui

For reference, I'm at 1415 and the current leader appears to be at 1421

[frail orbit]

Still tho

A bit conflicted

Since starting tomorrow am started to go college again

[karmic forum]

Its up to you whether you want to lose sleep on a mediocre season

[frail orbit]

I meant

UTC +7 is bad enuff tbh

[karmic forum]

You're pretty much guaranteed gensui anyways

[frail orbit]

Nah I meant I live in bad UTC tbh

It's gonna be useless anyway

Especially since I started my shit again startin tomorrow

[karmic forum]

Fair enough

[frail orbit]

Especially w/ UTC+7 be like

What

2pm 1st reset, then 12 hour gap to 2am 2nd reset and then 8am

[karmic forum]

PvP scores don't really matter and I'd rather focus on college instead.

[frail orbit]

But still feels like wanna get gensui tbh

But tomorrow being important day tbh

[karmic forum]

You don't need to gensui rush as soon as possible

[frail orbit]

Need 100% attendance or else it's all over

[karmic forum]

Just find a reasonable reset between friday-sunday and rush as soon as it starts

[frail orbit]

I meant considering my bad UTC

Since u guy are so good
Living around Pacific and US

[karmic forum]

Even if you have to rush to 0/10 sometimes you're pretty much already in the clear.

[frail orbit]

When am here on Indo

Feels like

Unfair

[karmic forum]

Yeah its unfair to those in suboptimal timezones

[frail orbit]

I wish I could just go to Sandy/Lexington tbh

But am already on Avrora for the main

@karmic forum which is why am so conflicted tbh

[karmic forum]

Why would you want to go to another server?

[frail orbit]

Less competition

No need for real sandbag a la avrora

[karmic forum]

People still sandbag in other servers

Its not like less competition is going to solve the timezone issue

[frail orbit]

Sure
Less competition tho I heard

Also I can't even go to JP

I NEED MY DIALOGUE TOO KEKS

Like since I can't even speak Japanese or Chinese

[crude mortar]

is this bad score?

[frail orbit]

Same score as mine

But u got that 1 tix thrown out

[crude mortar]

it +11

+1

[frail orbit]

Am 1400, 10/10

Still waiting

Might as well quitting PVP smhw at this rate

[karmic forum]

Score is fine

You're behind the regulars by 5-6 points but you can always make that up with good luck

Oh wait nvm you're at 9/10 rip

[frail orbit]

Also fok my food still not moving zzz

Refresh time

[hot creek]

@cursive pebble just focus on pve for now. At your current status you wont get very far besides picking off lower fleets. Level your ships and enhance gear. Be on the lookout for any good pvp ships you can collect. Theres a tierlist in the pins if you wanna take a look.

[cursive pebble]

Okay thank you :( I just want shiny badge

[frail orbit]

@Kanzaki Erika#6045 keks rusher

[crude mortar]

im getting -1

[frail orbit]

Wait, he ain't on this channel anymore?

[crude mortar]

gonna sleep

[frail orbit]

Oh nevermind

[ionic magnet]

someone rushed but 34 pt gap only

[frail orbit]

[whole terrace]

hooloo i got you again

[frail orbit]

F 4 U

F4U hooloo

[karmic forum]

The downsides of being so far ahead

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

[karmic forum]

Enjoy seeing famine overtake you over the next week

[ionic magnet]

yea i prefer being down by a bit and just hide in the shadows

[frail orbit]

Not even moving yet

[crude mortar]

ima just rush

i got sleep deprivation lately

[frail orbit]

It's already morning in my timezone anyway

Might as well waiting til lunch time keks

UTC+7 btw

8.49 AM

Wtf w/ u @sterile bluff

[ionic magnet]

whats happening lol

[frail orbit]

Lmao

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

@crude mortar Lampung here
Near Jakarta btw

Basically UTC+7 here spans through Aceh til Eastern Java

Starting w/ Bali, we got UTC+8 til the Moluccas

Around the same as SG tbh

For Jakarta

[whole terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-math-what-wtf-peep-gif-6081931

So are you indonesian??

[frail orbit]

Ye

[whole terrace]

i see

[frail orbit]

Which is kinda the source of my resentment towards sandbaggers here since they got gud timezone @whole terrace

[cursive pebble]

is Prinz good in pvp? Shes so tanky and my fleet cant do anything against a high level prinz :(

[frail orbit]

Nein

She's just a bystander who did nothing anyway

[granite flame]

meta wise: garbage

memefleet/full KMS perfectionist one of the only options to use

[vague token]

being JUST tanky isnt usually enough

otherwise you could use portland

you either need to be so tanky it's ridiculous (ykkz) or you need to be doing damage still

[past egret]

Or do both

laughs in Azuma

[cursive pebble]

i lost against a fleet cause prinz was so tanky and the main fleet did all the damage :(

[frail orbit]

And we know any KMS other than FDG is trash on PVP

And even then

D30 or die

[past egret]

I still don’t get how that works

What gives FDG her 50% extra damage at dev 30

MGM +1 is that op?

[vague token]

yes?

when vg is gone

that's another 165% efficiency to slam with crit boosts

[frail orbit]

^

[past egret]

makes sense why it’s locked behind 300 blueprints after dev 20 now

[frail orbit]

She's not that different pre D30 compared to other BBs

D30 tho
And she's basically a beast of lust and greed of power

[whole terrace]

@frail orbit my resets are at 8am 8pm 2am

ur resets should be at 2pm 8pm 2am right? Sounds not much better or worse than me tbh

[frail orbit]

@whole terrace it's 2pm 2am 8am

[whole terrace]

oh i f'ed up

still

[frail orbit]

Way more fucked up than yours

[whole terrace]

u can't camp the 8am and 2pm resets?

[frail orbit]

I could anyway

And that's how I sandbag mainly

[whole terrace]

[frail orbit]

But usually if I have class I would only open up at 8.40am anyway

Since that's when my class ends w/ 2 hours of resting time

Same w/ the 2pm ones

[whole terrace]

oh I'm a neet so I can't relate

[frail orbit]

Keks

Med stud here
For the sake of Amagi getting healed properly

[whole terrace]

It's futile, forget it

[frail orbit]

[upper sparrow]

Which is kinda the source of my resentment towards sandbaggers here since they got gud timezone @whole terrace

Be a food like me then @frail orbit

[frail orbit]

@upper sparrow i dont wanna be food

I hate that fact

And I hate it when am not the bully

[zenith tundra]

a 2nd bonus. very rare these days for me

[shell heron]

Here I am waiting on my first

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

When I manage a +2 on my first bonus this reset.

Yes I’m behind

[zenith tundra]

still a good bonus

[shell heron]

Any bonus I can get helps me catch up

[vague token]

oh no he's overtaking me xD

[vague token]

2 people with 457 on their ws

[shell heron]

hey, it's FdG and Azuma

[ripe latch]

[wintry lantern]

And it was at this moment....

[proper sorrel]

and nobody even moved

[valid dagger]

Useless

[coral wren]

so ws targets furthest right? who does she hit if shes flagship

[zenith tundra]

top

then bot

[coral wren]

ic

[midnight crest]

warspite or amagi in main fleet with nagato and hiryuu

know that warspite can swipe the main fleet from furthest to in front

while amagi proc can kill infront

but is amagi have better kill time

but if she had kill the main fleet infront, her next proc will hit nothing while nagato skill will aim to the next closer target

[ripe latch]

amagi for offensive , ws kai for def

[karmic forum]

Warspite usually replaces hiryuu not amagi

[midnight crest]

@karmic forum what hiryuu as important as nagato

how can she be replace

i once have hiryuu 1 vs 4

all my girl die but hiryuu hp got extended juneau so she can be the last stand

[frail orbit]

Snipe ASAP >>>>> stall

[midnight crest]

then she single-handedly 1v4 the low hp ship

[karmic forum]

Hiryuu is good but Nagato/Ws/Hiryuu is a worse comp than namaryuu or namagi + ws

[midnight crest]

you want to 1v1 me mate

[karmic forum]

To answer your question, amagi should be better than ws with nagato and hiryuu

Amagi w/ nagato buff is pretty strong and she offers a lot of bonuses to the entire fleet just by existing.

[midnight crest]

joke aside i still disagree hiryuu still better than amagi because she's much more flexible

[karmic forum]

Also its pretty much impossible to lose with that comp

If you're about to be wiped out then it will be obvious and you can just reset.

[midnight crest]

shimarin right, if i found that comp at level 120 i will record a video and show you the battle

btw.... i just start raising noshiro which gun should i give her?

[karmic forum]

Twin 152 Mk17

aka seattle gun

If you don't have one then either the russian cl gun or the belgun

HE > AP for vanguard guns in PvP

[past egret]

Hiryuu better than Amagi?

[ebon schooner]

If I see a hiryuu, it’s a free win for me

[past egret]

@ebon schooner warkai solves all Hiryuu problems

[elder crane]

I'd rather drop Nagato than Amagi when running Warkai with Hiryuu

Been using that a lot lately
it's weaker, but more consistent, so is imo actually slightly better on offense

shit for defense though, where you want your Nagato highrolls

[midnight crest]

i actually put this on noshiro because Seattle gun is put on nagato for long range support

[elder crane]

That's actually higher DpS than Seattlegun

[karmic forum]

Would you put 457mm on both ws kai and fdg if you had two?

[elder crane]

...by a hair

probably not

slinging around HE to make everyone burn is good

[midnight crest]

yeah i use Seattle gun on naga causeit enable main fleet support vanguard

[karmic forum]

So theres no need to go ham for a second one

[past egret]

I thought that = the ultimate backline

[karmic forum]

I always preferred seattlegun over chappy gun because of the AA boost.

[elder crane]

on vanguard, it's arguable either way, though yeah, I prefer seattlegun too
for main fleet, no question, since chappy gun doesn't get PR ammo range

[karmic forum]

Because the targeting range is higher than the actual range

[elder crane]

kinda like the 76 mm vs 100 mm debate for ykkz

[past egret]

457 on FDG warkai + Amagi = ultimate Backline @karmic forum I think it might be offensive only

[karmic forum]

I mean, I don't think I'm going to get two 457s by the time PR3 hits

So hopefully they introduce another way to get bps by then

[midnight crest]

this is my build

[past egret]

Assuming PR3 gives a better gun than the 457

Yashima Gun incoming

[elder crane]

I think PR3 might also have 457... HE for Conkek/Thunderer

[past egret]

Noshiro Yuki June can reach 14k power?

Or is there stat pad equipment there

[karmic forum]

They can reach 14k with the regular PvP stuff I think

Maybe oathed

[elder crane]

I don't think they reach it with standard PvP stuff

maybe oxytorp?

[ripe latch]

[karmic forum]

Oh

[past egret]

15.5k

457 Warkai?

[elder crane]

yeah, 14k+ is almost certainly oxytorp

nope

[karmic forum]

I guess it is pretty hard to reach 14k then

[elder crane]

15.5k is standard

[karmic forum]

Maybe jintsuu could do it because she has a refit.

[past egret]

So 16k = 1 457

16.4/5k = 2?

[frail orbit]

17k means 2 457, yes

[elder crane]

If you run Jun, it's fairly hard to hit 14k+ vanguard, yeah

[frail orbit]

^

Lowest rarity out of the bunch

[karmic forum]

Use the gold boilers instead of the regular ones

[elder crane]

Azuma does it ofc
not sure if anything else not-oxys does it

that's with gold boilers

[vague token]

unless you stack retros

that's the best you get

[past egret]

The reason Amagi and Nagato don’t use 457 is because it’s bad for barrage ships right

[elder crane]

well, basically, if you run jun

[frail orbit]

And we know that only retro available usually being Jin

[elder crane]

cause her fleet power is low

[karmic forum]

Have a really high fleet tech to artificially boost your score.

[elder crane]

they don't use it cause there's better ships to use it

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

and you don't want everyone slinging AP anyways

[frail orbit]

Meant to be some firestarter

[elder crane]

maybe 1 457 on Nagato if you had 2 457, though even that's, ehhh, idk

[frail orbit]

And they fired early as always

[karmic forum]

I'll double check my fleet power with the standard vangaurds

[frail orbit]

Oh well

It's 16.4k

For 2 457

[vague token]

hsfcr nagato with 457? xD

high rolling

front load bois

[past egret]

[frail orbit]

https://youtu.be/LAwgsQzTkYY
Based on this guy vid

[coral wren]

for nagato 457 better than 406skc?

[frail orbit]

Basically spidey vs spidey

[past egret]

On topic of 457’s

If I’m going full KMS fleet would 2nd 457 be better on Tirpitz over Bismarck?

[ripe latch]

but why play mirrors if u always have 100% dmg and u opponent 0.8 ?

[frail orbit]

He's doing it by request btw

[coral wren]

hm

[midnight crest]

woa since when amagi better than noshiro

[coral wren]

noshiro?

[past egret]

Amagi is Amagi

[coral wren]

[vague token]

what, amagi is always better than 99.99% of ships

[midnight crest]

sorry typo

[frail orbit]

And since when did ya just compared vg to backline

[past egret]

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

yea

thats so weird

[past egret]

@ kiro’s comment

[midnight crest]

i mean azuma

[ripe latch]

amagi better than amagi

[coral wren]

but does nagato just not use 457

[frail orbit]

Keks

[coral wren]

because others are better

[frail orbit]

Not even an inch of guarantee for her shelling to hit backline before all VG kill anyway

That's Wakai job thx very much

[elder crane]

Basically
Warkai has guaranteed targeting
FdG hits harder

[frail orbit]

Perhaps usable
But let Rendar say things

[elder crane]

why use 457 on Nagato

[coral wren]

i see..

[elder crane]

Nagato also benefits from faster firing cause barrage

she'd still want 457 if rest of team has HE shelling covered and doesn't want 457

[midnight crest]

like azuma vs noshiro.... is anyone max out azuma research yet?

[elder crane]

but

[coral wren]

azuma has actual hp noshiro has evasion

[elder crane]

I only just hit dev 25

[frail orbit]

Ask phoenix or kurumi/famine

Mine still d25

[coral wren]

im pretty sure the people who have d30

just use azuma

i dont see the top people using noshiro unless torp meme

[elder crane]

Noshiro suffers from being 4th best option, yeah

[coral wren]

the problem is

[elder crane]

as soon as Azuma comes properly online,

[frail orbit]

Talking about XX slot? Then yes

Unless u ran torpmeme

[ripe latch]

they using noshi with ibuki , corp as like "slow deja vu"

[coral wren]

u cant miss out on juneau and nanoda, and when it comes to azuma and noshiro

[elder crane]

Some use over ykkz for pre-dev25 Azuma

[coral wren]

people who have azuma fully developed tend to use azuma

[elder crane]

depends how critical ykkz is for your team

[frail orbit]

Which is not even well
Usable if VH Azuma doesn't exist

[coral wren]

also bluerendar i dont have monarch and fdg developed

so i use ws amagi suruga

[frail orbit]

If all used meta tho

[coral wren]

somehow works

[frail orbit]

Like VH Azuma

Then it'd be anti meta towards VH Azuma

[ripe latch]

vh azuma

[midnight crest]

no shit imagine max out aZuma then use noshiro instead

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

Which is to say that thing is well
Very much an imagination

[midnight crest]

hey do we have those side by side comparing webside

[coral wren]

oh

i post in here one sec

[midnight crest]

like world of tank tank gg

[frail orbit]

Same w/ HFC keks

[coral wren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643722990730739712/717124723112280104/compare.png

[elder crane]

why do people run sandyret ffs

[ripe latch]

wow , some ppl ready for helena retro

[elder crane]

• me using HFC

[coral wren]

what the hell is that fleet

does it work

[elder crane]

It has warkai

and amagi

[coral wren]

hmmmM

[elder crane]

and yukikae

[ripe latch]

work for +10 to u

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

so good enough to RNG a win vs anything basically

[coral wren]

i see..

[midnight crest]

true

[coral wren]

hfc is what, hiryuu formi centy?

[elder crane]

Yep

[coral wren]

why tho

[elder crane]

on offense, it's actually really good vs straight meta

[coral wren]

hmm

[elder crane]

not amazing at it still, but just as good if not better than straight meta mirror

[karmic forum]

Not ready until 200 aff

[frail orbit]

But not when enemies ran Sankai or anything that disrupts the plane

[elder crane]

problem is it has trouble vs a few off-meta stuff

[frail orbit]

This

For example

[midnight crest]

technically ranger can proc infinity and wipe the floor with any pvp meta

[coral wren]

oh no

[frail orbit]

RNGesus

[coral wren]

can i still use nakaga in 2020

[past egret]

0.0000018% proc chance

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

U add more layer of RNG towards PVP RNG

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

Madlad

[past egret]

Is niko still awake

He is

[elder crane]

basically, if they run standard team but tech in Sandy/Eld or two of warkai/Hiryuu/Enty, it gets messy

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

a team like that would just be food for standard meta

and anything similar

[coral wren]

oh no

[past egret]

@ripe latch I found you during a refresh list spam but ended up refreshing to fast

[elder crane]

HFC has a bit of issues vs it though

[coral wren]

lmaoo

[frail orbit]

Wait for Helena Kai skill then

[past egret]

AA skill*

[frail orbit]

[past egret]

[ripe latch]

@past egret no refresh so still w8 10/10

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

inb4 Helena kai activates radar right at start

[frail orbit]

[past egret]

[coral wren]

[past egret]

Also no one ever answered me

If I’m going full KMS fleet would 2nd 457 be better on Tirpitz over Bismarck?

[coral wren]

u have 2?

[ripe latch]

activate radar
u have misses

[elder crane]

Yes

[ripe latch]

[past egret]

no kek

If I did I’d be a god amongst men

[coral wren]

full kms

but why

[past egret]

To suffer

[karmic forum]

Helena T0 if radar activates at start tbh

[elder crane]

Richi+JB+Helena if helena gets starting radar

[coral wren]

its hard to ask advice for nakaga in 2020

[elder crane]

cause you can literally just make a better team if you have nagato

so why bother

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

[past egret]

What if Helena Kai increases damage from air strikes

Foxes find a way to creep back into the meta

[coral wren]

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

yes please

[past egret]

If that happens essex Enty Sara gonna be my meme fleet