pvp

[midnight heron]

welp guess i missed a few then

rip aotn

[zenith tundra]

3 attempts is still doable

[shell heron]

huh, actually looks fun to test

[rocky shadow]

i have question, what better 406 mk6 or 410 mm ap research for warspite retro?

[shell heron]

what are your other 2 main fleet ships?

[rocky shadow]

enty and hood

later i will replace hood with amagi

[shell heron]

I guess 406 mk6. don't like it too much because of it's speed

but you're not using many BBs like namagi

[rocky shadow]

so, what alterantive?

i have monarch dev25 but still lvl 50

[shell heron]

PR2 twin 457

but triple 410 or even litt gun is not bad

[rocky shadow]

i dont have twin 457

so, i guess stick with 406 mk6?

[shell heron]

you can feel free to use the triple 410. it does well against mainfleet ships

[rocky shadow]

hmm ok, what if enemy use centaur?

usually some player use that

[shell heron]

AP does heavy damage against med

[zenith tundra]

the timing seems weird like jeanne. 12-16s doesn't really mean much it's too late for ws barrage and too early for nagato

[rocky shadow]

ah sorry i thought centaur is light type

[prime panther]

would depend on how long it takes to reach the backline i suppose

[rocky shadow]

ap shell is faster

120 compare 100 with he (based on azur lane wiki)

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it takes 2s for ws barrage to hit but maybe if it does it might be useful

[rocky shadow]

What gear that i can optimize to use?

[zenith tundra]

would use pearl on belfast/aya

[proper sorrel]

give a pearl to someone yeah

[zenith tundra]

also some boilers on belfast and noshiro if she isn't tank

so like boiler bulge belfast pearl oxy aya boiler oxy noshiro

with belfast tank

aya mid and noshiro off

[rocky shadow]

I don't have pearl

Alternative?

[zenith tundra]

go get pearl

[rocky shadow]

No alternative then?

[zenith tundra]

it's not hard to get it tbh. use seal/toolbox for now

but really speaking u need tear

[ebon schooner]

Have 120 ships but no pearl

[zenith tundra]

restart account then

[rocky shadow]

Im not collect the common ship for pearl

[vague token]

mlb then retire

[shell heron]

Pearl is one of the biggest items for PvP

no reason not to get it

[ebon schooner]

[rocky shadow]

Well im not hardcore for pvp

[zenith tundra]

it's up to you then

[proper sorrel]

how do you not have pearl with all those ships

[hot creek]

Who 2 pearl when using Azuma/Jun/Yuki

[rocky shadow]

Well im not aware until some weeks ago

[proper sorrel]

great question

[shell heron]

you don't even need to MLB all of them

[zenith tundra]

juneau is only option

[proper sorrel]

well yes, but yes

[shell heron]

you could legit MLB the 3 commons because they have a retrofit and not touch Arizona

I think that's still 1 more star than you need

[zenith tundra]

what collection is it again?

[shell heron]

Arizona, Okalahoma, Mahans

[ebon schooner]

This

[zenith tundra]

not even bad ships....

[rocky shadow]

Well thx for the tips

[ebon schooner]

You’re also missing out on that delicious tech points by not mlb them

[abstract cypress]

ur missing more cuz not max lvl em

[zenith tundra]

it would've been so fun if little lusty laser was at 10s. messing with ws would've been actually fun

[vague token]

is it hit or hit rate

[zenith tundra]

acc

still -30% acc is a bit

if u consider a workable debuff + heavy armor + extra plane barrage it's not bad

but ofc why make something relevant for pvp isntead of random debuff with no pve use tbh

[ionic magnet]

did i hear laser??

[zenith tundra]

data mine has laser? in it

[ionic magnet]

but of all classes

why a cv

[vague token]

i mean, she's the 2nd cv with a laser

[zenith tundra]

because lusty

[vague token]

remember

[ionic magnet]

wait whos the first

[zenith tundra]

collab ships

the name of collab is stupid so i don't remember it

[ionic magnet]

yea i dont remember too

[vague token]

aka never will show up on en

[ionic magnet]

but yea noone shoots at 12s to 16s

[vague token]

foxes?

[ionic magnet]

ok let me change that

[vague token]

because the world needs more anti fox

xD

[ionic magnet]

noone relevant shoots at 12s to 16s

[zenith tundra]

it might still hit ws depending on laser "charging"/traver time

but like 5% chances

jeanne + lusty = anti fox meme wall tho

it's still a meme but it actually works

[vague token]

i might try her cause debuff + still has barrage

should hit torps

if only it lasted like 8 seconds

=/

[zenith tundra]

big incognito is still what it actually hits

[vague token]

true

sweeps vertically hitting all enemies would be neat

[zenith tundra]

if it is a laser i think it's straight forward

it does bomb damage so could be even just a plane bomb

@prime panther are those stats with affection or without?

[prime panther]

100 aff

[zenith tundra]

ok

around 430 dmg expected from that

[ripe latch]

[marsh bane]

[shell heron]

I saw 30% acc reduction and saw potential

[zenith tundra]

then 12s and not worth

[shell heron]

But depending on the "holy light" travel time. Its not going to stop mainfleet damage

[zenith tundra]

supposedly is a laser

[shell heron]

Isnt ws snipe at 16?

It doesn't even have good timing to stop that

No 15

Guess she's another decent pve ship

[zenith tundra]

10s barrage 14.71 457 hpfcr

interesting

but the 2nd 2s is only 15%

then again shell travel time might still push it over duration

just need to wait for aim and travel time to know for sure

[ripe latch]

these degens changed eva rate ?

[zenith tundra]

wdym?

[ripe latch]

7 shells ws enemy amagi , 4-5 always miss

[zenith tundra]

[ripe latch]

but torp get misses too

5-7 torps , 4-5 miss

[zenith tundra]

~~ post maint rng debuff ~~ more likely that amagi was using double eva

[shell heron]

Sg/rudder is not all uncommon

[ripe latch]

8 attempt , not miss and win

but they really changed..

on all 8 attempts sendai not proc

[zenith tundra]

unless u tested against same opponent pre and post maint there is no way to tell just by one battle. she could be using beaver rudder for all we know

[ripe latch]

not have idea why 40% not work on any 8 attempts

[zenith tundra]

i've seen georgia miss barrage 4 times in a row

[ripe latch]

pay to win

maybe found he again and tested , but 8 attempts and not proc skill its very interesting

[zenith tundra]

anything not 100% will miss

[ripe latch]

last 1/5 , ws kai still 2 misses ws enemy amagi

double sg - hit miss hit miss

[crude mortar]

accuracy or accuracy rate?

[zenith tundra]

acc stat

[crude mortar]

zzz

why not acc rate lmao

[zenith tundra]

not like the timing is relevant anyway

if they wanted it to be a thing straight 10s proc

fuck ws

[crude mortar]

ws kai was a mistake

isn't she

[ripe latch]

time to go full meme cv

[crude mortar]

4s 30% accuracy

for what

[zenith tundra]

it's 2s 30% and 2s 15%

[crude mortar]

rofl

even worst

trophy ship

f2p game no bitching

[zenith tundra]

with the barrage and all she could be decent for sirens

[crude mortar]

cv or cvl?

armor heavy?

[zenith tundra]

cv

lusty is a cv

and same armor

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

The best part is
stat mods are all additive

So it's a lot less effective vs +acc boosts

hmm, I wonder who has +acc

[crude mortar]

pve boss?

its clearly a bad ship in pvp

[zenith tundra]

it was pretty much only a ws thing anyway

[crude mortar]

4s proc at 12-16?

[zenith tundra]

planning on screwing nagato 40% barrage lol

[crude mortar]

how about they could just nerf the ship in pvp instead of doin all these shit

if they want to

[empty owl]

A guarantee skill is always better then a skill that could never happen

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it's terrible skill just doesn't seem relevant for pvp at all

[elder crane]

isn't 12 s Azuma reload/barrage timing

[empty owl]

Also hi zack

[elder crane]

or is she earlier

[zenith tundra]

8.99 (with fleet tech ) mg cd without nagato. how much volley time and barrage time

i'll try and see in combat how it is

we still have no clue about aim and pattern of said thing

[empty owl]

My dream team is coming together ^^

I hope

[zenith tundra]

this seems pretty consistent 6%

it does hit azuma mg+barrage times pretty consistently tbh

unless ur azuma gets screwed at the beginning and shoots later due to movements

[plain carbon]

@ripe latch friend of mine uses Beaver badge + rudder on his Amagi just to fuck with WS players

[zenith tundra]

sounds like a good player

[plain carbon]

what is this talk about nagato barrage?

did I miss something?

[ripe latch]

@plain carbon

[zenith tundra]

little lusty timing. it hits azuma mg and barrage

[prime panther]

i dont think its working properly atm, but i could be wrong

[sour oasis]

It's the 1st Thursday and I'm at 804 with 5 tickets. Did I sleep through an entire reset??

[vague token]

not a full one

i dropped a match but im at 834

about 2-3 matches

[shell heron]

You dropping a match is about the same as my dead resets

[elder crane]

yeah, I'm at 862 10/10 right now

[shell heron]

835

[past egret]

@empty owl nice fleet

Should totally replace Yuki with another maid

829 10/10, Jesus Christ, 862???

[vague token]

wow

bad rng for cay

[empty owl]

Ah thank you @past egret but It gonna be competitive.... I hope

[vague token]

but hey it means we are close so we can collude

[shell heron]

somehow extra bad season start

one or 2 bad resets is not bad

but every other one is

[elder crane]

eyy, another +1

[empty owl]

Oh question is there anything else that could replace a fire supresser?

[vague token]

a purple/gold one if they ever made one

otherwise another boiler

[empty owl]

Ah I see thanks anyways ^^

[elder crane]

Stop, I can't hold all of these bonuses

[karmic forum]

Sounds like a great season to get rekt by extended maint

[zenith tundra]

i'd like to see how they manage an extended maint on event end

[elder crane]

Hey, for those of us that've used azuma for a while now, can you look out for if Azuma still does that thing where she fires at nothing as often as she used to?

[crude mortar]

4 bonus!!

+14 +14 +14 +14

[elder crane]

huh, 4 point ahead of me then

[ionic magnet]

Hey, for those of us that've used azuma for a while now, can you look out for if Azuma still does that thing where she fires at nothing as often as she used to?
you mean the times when she fires over backliners (off screen) even if they are just in front of her?

[zenith tundra]

890 8/10...

[ionic magnet]

oh i messed up

[crude mortar]

905 5/10

[elder crane]

Yeah, basically that thing

Someone was talking about a different targeting oddity with me, and I was wondering if devs ninja-patched some targeting issues
So I tried to get my Azuma to do that, but she didn't in 5 runs and I don't wanna bother beyond that

[crude mortar]

spagetti code

[ionic magnet]

havent used her for a while

ill lyk if it happens again

[zenith tundra]

still happening to me

i just saw some ryuusei going upwards tho

from bottom screen to top screen

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

it happened again lol

[karmic forum]

Trying to hit a ship in another battle entirely

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei is not the usual for sure

just saw it spawning into 9-2 boss like good old times in pvp

so they nerfed ryuusei in pve and it's still trash in pvp

good

even in jp ryuusei appears right into opponents instead of earlier

[zenith tundra]

are ws enty lusty comps supposed to do anything?

i see so many of them

[empty grove]

She stills lobs at nothing for me too

Ohh that was an hour ago

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen any improvements in azuma

just for some reasons ryuusei seems worse sometimes

[empty grove]

57k for one gun

[zenith tundra]

926 5/10

[empty grove]

That's my russian event luck

& you're on the exact same score as me

[zenith tundra]

guess my luck went into 138.6. 29 in 43k

[crude mortar]

29 gun 43k?

[karmic forum]

I stopped farming D2 after 1 gun

[crude mortar]

29gun or 29bp

[zenith tundra]

bps lol

wtf

[empty grove]

Bruh you aint getting 29 guns

Wtf

[karmic forum]

Well

Kurumi you could get 29 guns if you hardfarm next event as well

[crude mortar]

did you do boss?

I got 1gun and 4bp 10k

[empty grove]

If my drop rate is anything like it's been the past two days I wont even bother

[crude mortar]

57k for 1 gun?

[karmic forum]

I might farm one more gun next event so I have 10 guns

Depends on how easy D1 will be

[zenith tundra]

didn't beat jan to 72k. the was the one thing keeping me sane

[empty grove]

I might farm more after farming an extra CA gun

[karmic forum]

I might have farmed more but the initial run sucked all the motivation out of me.

[empty grove]

I wish i could lowcost as much as last time

With commons

[karmic forum]

Whats the point when I don't even feel myself needing more 138s

[empty grove]

Stuck with an SSR backline

[zenith tundra]

i would farm 2 ca guns tbh just not gonna bother with 57k per gun

it does like 6% more dps on saint louis in 11-4hm boss

[karmic forum]

Seems like you got bad drop luck

Or have other players been reporting similar rates

[zenith tundra]

someone got 2 in 39k

[karmic forum]

Using total points is kinda deceptive because it might not reflect how much you actually farmed D3

Especially with SP and x2 bonuses lying around.

[crude mortar]

d3 new french?

I barely able to save 20k oil

[zenith tundra]

there is no 2x hm and didn't do 3x normal last 2-3 days

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Shop has a CA gun so you're good

Its not a must farm like the 138

[crude mortar]

I need x3

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 it's fine

i can farm daily 138.6 tho

can't afford the oil with events around

[marsh bane]

must be nice having it in WA for daily tries

[karmic forum]

Thats another reason why I'm not going hard this time

Eventually I'll have a reason to use WA

[zenith tundra]

siren only spam is pretty expensive

[leaden jay]

Just lost to a fleet with Formi WarKai Cent w/ Junaeu, does anyone have any idea which the other two vanguard was? I forgot

[zenith tundra]

was it hooloovoo?

[leaden jay]

No clue

I'm on Avrora and he had them all lvl 120

[zenith tundra]

the worse vg for that comp is juneau helena yukikaze

it's hard even for maxed namaryuu

[leaden jay]

Oh, don't think I saw Helena

I was running a IJN fleet

[hot creek]

Dang, if you were on Sandy it could have been me. https://puu.sh/FQ4Mh/99ab1f08ec.png

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah sirius and aurora might be instead of helena

u should be using helena over sirius tbh

it's defense so rng doesn't matter

[hot creek]

I agree with you, Helena has the RNG X factor that can overcome offense buff. But mine's not 120

But I'll be swapping to a shinier defense fleet soon™ anyways

[ebon schooner]

i switched to that defense fleet for luls but doubt it was me

im like 2 resets behind or something

[zenith tundra]

2 resets?

like 10 attempts?

[ebon schooner]

10 hits

yea

[zenith tundra]

[ebon schooner]

I missed one cause I was chopping wood and another cause slept through alarm

[shell heron]

actual dead reset last reset

[mild spruce]

warsprite over KGV now?

or is warsprite just for defense

[zenith tundra]

i got 2 bonuses and played last 2hr of last reset

ws is better then most bb

for any comp

[ebon schooner]

was kgv ever a thing?

[zenith tundra]

might be better then all tbh

[mild spruce]

with centaur/formi it was

[ebon schooner]

i thought people used monarch over her

[elder crane]

Huh, I got real lucky then it seems?
cause I went like 70 k with 4 guns farmed last time
tbf I spent week 1 doing siren-only farm

[zenith tundra]

siren only is underrate imo

[elder crane]

it's defs time-efficient

not sure about rest though lol

[hot creek]

Before WSKai arrived, KFC/QFC was a thing, yes.

[elder crane]

almost certainly not oil-efficient

[hot creek]

I did siren only farm last time around. Im still not sure if it was fuel efficient drop wise.

[zenith tundra]

if u have oil to sustain i would prefer it

[hot creek]

I did boss farm this time and I got a lot of drops from boss

[elder crane]

boss drop rate is literally 10 x that of siren

so full clear is ~ 4x more rate than siren-only

and almost certainly less than 4x oil cost

my mind is really not firing on all cylinders tonight, with all the "how?" typos

[zenith tundra]

it's around 2.5x more oil?

a bit less with 1:1 boss

[elder crane]

yeah, around that

I'm doing 1:1 all + subs for boss cause screw stupid stat reqs

[ebon schooner]

i thought kgv wasnt used cause monarch

[zenith tundra]

i think kgv was used for more vg pressure

[ebon schooner]

i knew qfc was a thing

[elder crane]

Between the two, KGV fits FC better imo

Also I think in general 4 HMS KGV > Monarch probably (some exceptions obviously)
the issue is HMS vanguard is basically always a downgrade, and it locks you to 3 HMS main

[zenith tundra]

that was before azuma and noshiro so not that bad

[elder crane]

well, then 1 HMS vanguard isn't an issue, but 3 HMS main is still ehh

until FC at least

[ebon schooner]

vanguard was something like ykkz, juneau, X

[zenith tundra]

aurora sirius or neptune i would guess

[frail orbit]

The brits not even having a tanker archetype for their VGs keks

So meh

Also no significant torps

QFC wont be a thing unless QE got retro as barrager/sniper
Which is well

Like hoping for an outer space asteroid to hit Earth

[crude mortar]

2hms and june

[frail orbit]

Naaa

Just gib HMS tanker archetype

For VG

Other than Nod

[crude mortar]

american originally comes from england

so june originally british

see

[frail orbit]

🧠

[vague token]

just use juno

[zenith tundra]

a good early season for once

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

If you could field 3 azumas then every vangaurd will be three azumas

[vague token]

depends on skillset and stats

if alaska doesnt have hp on par it might be a little more eh

[zenith tundra]

that question doesn't really make sense since we don't use ships based on class but stats/skills

[vague token]

(and fp)

but of course alaska will come with Non-0 luck so

that'll be big

[zenith tundra]

alaska won't ever be azuma level just because azuma is dr

if she was made

u don't compare fdg to ur random alabama

[vague token]

i mean, if they give her above portland base stats and around 300 fp

that's basically azuma but with luck

[zenith tundra]

portland has 2.5k less hp then azuma

[vague token]

i said above, because CB

[zenith tundra]

and azuma will get fate so she'll have 15 luck

[karmic forum]

Will PR2 get fate though?

[vague token]

i mean, was the uss alaska unlucky?

if she wasnt she'll probably hover what, 50?

[zenith tundra]

it's being delayed so much is impossible pr 2 doesn't get fate

[vague token]

33 knots, probably 30-32 speed too

aka really fast

[karmic forum]

But protocore basically sorts out the extra bp problem

[zenith tundra]

let me go back to the point where azuma is ur rarity and alaska will be sr. alaska stats won't ever match azuma

[vague token]

i mean, if alaska hits around 6k hp, ~50 luck, and 30-32 speed

that's solid

depending on kit

plus much more aa

[zenith tundra]

not better then azuma and uss sucks anyway

where do u see cv?

[vague token]

we still have hiryuus

so

yeah

a lot

unless you deleted all hiryuus from existence, we still have cv

xD

[zenith tundra]

i'm done with the topic. if u want to talk fantasy ships pls go somewhere else

without stats and skills known is like talking imaginary stuff

she can be fdg in vg with same fp and same hp

for all we know

[karmic forum]

Wait until thursday

[vague token]

kek

[karmic forum]

When CN/JP is getting her

Most likely

[zenith tundra]

next maint

[ashen lion]

[whole terrace]

i got hooloo on my list

[granite flame]

reduce his fleet to atoms

[zenith tundra]

[ebon schooner]

richy

[karmic forum]

One scrub doesn't even have her MLB yet

[ebon schooner]

lul

[proper sorrel]

lol

[high flume]

Just curious, is there any viable PvP comp that focuses around Enty/Eagle Union team comp in general?

[proper sorrel]

WASD

[high flume]

bruh

[proper sorrel]

that

[hot creek]

Not exactly. Enty by herself is okay but she doesnt have much synergy unless you count Helena.

[smoky elk]

or just brute Enty/Essex/.....Intrepid

[high flume]

pretty sure that (WASD) was an old PvP comp ain't it?

is it still viable though?

[ebon schooner]

no

[smoky elk]

memetically yes

[proper sorrel]

Washington/South Dakota/Enterprise
Juneau/Helena/Portland

[ebon schooner]

it was an old comp, not viable now

[hot creek]

Enty/Essex/Warkai is somewhat viable. Although you're kind of getting carried by Warkai lol

[ebon schooner]

[hot creek]

Honestly though, with enough resets, Enty/Helena is still pretty clutch. Plus, Helena retro coming soon™

[proper sorrel]

wasd is still a strong combo, but it's not gonna work with the current meta

[ebon schooner]

Honestly though, with enough resets, Enty/Helena is still pretty clutch.
good luck if you do that within the last 5-10mins

[hot creek]

42% chance for the combo to proc. Maybe retro will increase that

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

i don't think helena retro will change much her viability tbh. still only fc and enty would ever want her

[ebon schooner]

helena would need some decent blue skill to be more viable

[proper sorrel]

Best Sister 2

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it matter what her retro skill is. 20s is a bad timing for most meta comps

[granite flame]

WASD is still viable, I still use it, no complaints @high flume

[high flume]

I've helena. So, what's the frontline composition for WASD?

[proper sorrel]

it still works well for non-meta/meme fleets ofc

Juneau Helena Belfast?Sheffield?Aurora?

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze is the only ever choice

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

without her ur vg can just vanish

[proper sorrel]

Juneau Yukikaze Belfast it is

[granite flame]

@high flume just be prepared for a few resets until you get your perfect skill combos

[crude mortar]

even if perfect combo trigger it still can miss

dive bomber can just drop to the water

[granite flame]

another fleet you could try is enty massa washington, for SHS memes

[proper sorrel]

that just means reset again

[crude mortar]

or just miss from evasion

[ebon schooner]

just be prepared for a few resets until you get your perfect skill combos
doesnt sound viable for last 5-10mins of a refresh

[crude mortar]

with enough reset these 3 beat everything

[granite flame]

@ebon schooner RNGesus be with thy

yea ibuki nosho yuki is strong

torps hurt

[ebon schooner]

if they land

[high flume]

So basically there still no A-tier(not S-tier, but somewhat decent) comp with Enty? and the most "viable" currently still the ol WASD?

[crude mortar]

if your fleet is slow then you only take 2-3 torp but then you gonna get destroyed by next amagi/nagato shot

if your fleet fast then u die to torp

pick1

[zenith tundra]

u can use stuff like enty ws + x with helena and beat some meta comps it's just not better then not using enty

[high flume]

@zenith tundra who's x?

[zenith tundra]

whoever

[ebon schooner]

before ws kai was a thing, i used to do an namagi with entry

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu, amagi

[ebon schooner]

when my rabbit wasnt lvled

[zenith tundra]

i haven't tested myself any enty comps because i don't have helena leveled anyway

[hot creek]

Hey Zack, where do you place your Juneau in Azuma/Yuki/Juneau?

[karmic forum]

I'll be testing Helena kai when we get her

[high flume]

Wait a sec, pretty sure Helena was scraped from the Enty comp a few months ago? (iirc the standard frontline for WASD back then were : Juneau, Belfast, Yukikaze)

[hot creek]

I feel off tank Juneau is best position with that frontline now.

[high flume]

did they buffed her or smth?

[zenith tundra]

what backline are u using?

[high flume]

well WASDE

[zenith tundra]

for namagi fdg it's always tank unless mirror

[hot creek]

NamagiFDG

[high flume]

idk most of my ships are Eagle Union so basically I also have Essex, Intrepid, etc for backup plan

[zenith tundra]

i keep her tank because it doesn't matter usually unless u fight mirror

idk about wasd vg meta but usually when u don't have event ships it's easier to just rng win with helena enty

[hot creek]

Sandy is still full of torp memes so I hadn't really considered Juneau front hmmm

[zenith tundra]

i would try it just for the memes and see if u can actually lose

[granite flame]

you could try these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-oO_r5nLx4&t=17s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b--mW9QO_g&t=11s

@high flume

[zenith tundra]

still namaryuu tests

can't wait for people to get fdg already

[ebon schooner]

op, what team are you wanting to use, im curious to try it out myself

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra FDG will be all meme fleets undoing

unless said meme fleet/offmeta fleet uses fdg as well

or warkai

[zenith tundra]

triple cv is a common anti namaryuu strat. doesn't mean it works against everything

[granite flame]

really? Never knew, the more you know

I thought people just used warspite to snipe hiryuu

[ebon schooner]

I’ll test a triple uss cv against this

[granite flame]

warspite 2shot one of your backliners incoming

[ebon schooner]

ofc, triple uss cv is garbage

[zenith tundra]

really good luck against that with 3 cv

gonna need an actual tank for ws

[granite flame]

put the armor plate on enty

[ebon schooner]

im just trying to make a point for op that uss are trash against meta comps

[granite flame]

usually faction perfectionists are already aware

[zenith tundra]

u can make a comp like that and if in a season u don't reset spam against some opponents i'll make it meta

[high flume]

Just tried the ol WASD with Portland, Yukikaze, and Helena.....got my ass wiped instantly

[ebon schooner]

[granite flame]

portland bad

[ebon schooner]

thats to be expected sadly

[granite flame]

fun fact

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GqK2eSUG_U

this took me 51 resets. idk if it was the gear

or if the fleet is that bad

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high flume]

@granite flame i mean, Juneau tactic won't work anymore since torpedo nowadays can wipe her instantly

I uses maxed gears btw

portland at least can tank a little

[zenith tundra]

u can always put juneau mid and use a bulge if torp are that much of a problem

[ebon schooner]

this took me 51 resets. idk if it was the gear

[zenith tundra]

i never see torp being more annoying then actual good stalling comps

but that might be because i only run meta stuff and not memes

[high flume]

Btw how about carrier focused comp + enty? are they too squishy?

[granite flame]

that was ages ago before I had the slightest amount of PR gear

@ebon schooner

[ebon schooner]

[granite flame]

actually no

that fleet had some pr gear

fleets just dogshit

non IJN(some HMS) = 🚮

[high flume]

yeah IJN everywhere

sad Eagle noises

[granite flame]

well

there are some solutions

just throw 3 of them onto 3 eagle BB's, and grind for the next year for all 3

[abstract cypress]

anyone here have that gun ready?

[granite flame]

not in EN

[ebon schooner]

yes

[zenith tundra]

phoenix has it

[granite flame]

nvm

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

and some others too

[granite flame]

thought phoenix was at 48 still

[ebon schooner]

someone else got it like a month ago or something

[high flume]

Btw, the last time I tried to PvP was like summer 2019 and pretty sure they added a lot of EU (Eagle Union) ships since then right? Were none of them made a significant impact on PvP meta? It's been a year yet I still see IJN everywhere in like top 100

[granite flame]

balti?

the only ship that brings something to your enty dream is balti and helena retrofit

[high flume]

helena retro is not here yet right?

[zenith tundra]

the only ships that affected meta since isss run are formie centaur noshiro ws retro and azuma/fdg

[proper sorrel]

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[ebon schooner]

balti doesnt do anything but die for pvp

[proper sorrel]

looks similar to mogami retro tbh

retro art

don't ask me why

[granite flame]

pose?

seems like the pose

sharp ears

etc

[proper sorrel]

legpose

[high flume]

So Essex didn't do anything to the PvP meta either?

[proper sorrel]

also looks glossy

[abstract cypress]

yes

[granite flame]

@high flume its because other carriers overshadow her

hiryuu centaur formidable etc

enterprise still better than essex to begin with too

no real reason to run her

[zenith tundra]

her main thing would be 12% chance to 1 dmg but there are so few cv comps in pvp that is better to use other stuff tbh

also doesn't help that other uss ships aren't really meta

[vague token]

essex doesnt add like anything

outside of anti bb damage

but only a small amount

her flood torps are positioned awkwardly

while formidables are spaced to hit like everything

[high flume]

I see...

[ebon schooner]

maybe alaska will make your ussn dream come true

[high flume]

Btw, when will Helena retro available in EN?

[granite flame]

@ebon schooner nah ah ah

as if yostar would ever consider tilting the meta out of IJN favor

[high flume]

or Iowa hopefully

[granite flame]

FDG and Warspite go against that statement but everything else doesnt

[zenith tundra]

if u don't want ijn meta just use fdg and ws

[ebon schooner]

zack, what was your verdict on the new ca gun compared to sanrui gun?

[zenith tundra]

on moving targets 100% better

or better said 6% more dps

[ebon schooner]

hmm intersting

[vague token]

also longer burn or w/e it was

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think it was like better burn chance? idk

i was using gascogne anyway for burn so i don't think it should really matter

[vague token]

[vague token]

does that burn rate bug with zara's 0 burn rate skill

xD

[crude mortar]

ask that guy try againts these

[coral wren]

i use these

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

I mean, french comp might be pretty decent
And my French comp I mean Richi, maaaybe +JB, and then rest standard meta

[naive dome]

What about JDA?

[naive dome]

i don't have formidable, who else can I use with Hiryuu+Centaur? I have Hood, Amagi, Enty

[elder crane]

Warkai

[naive dome]

no warkai 😦

[elder crane]

Enty probably the best there, but still a poor option

[frail orbit]

No Amagi too?

[naive dome]

I have Amagi

[elder crane]

Amagi ofc would be a lot better

Literally stick amagi in every comp and you can't go too wrong

[karmic forum]

Just say Richi might be pretty decent.

JDA might be relevant if theres a meta comp that relies on 10s as a major damage point.

Which there hasn't been since foxes

[elder crane]

technically Azuma is right timing for it

also foxes I'm pretty sure are on the late end of that
better hope your sheilds don't get popped by other stuff first

[crude mortar]

here we go

cant you just counter french fries comp with just fire suppressor?

even if they somehow usable u just use blue fire tank and it over

french fries ships are all about burning

if u use fire suppressor

they deal 0 dmg aren't they?

[upper sparrow]

How to counter french fleet, use fire suppresor

[zenith tundra]

[elder crane]

None of them are about their fires

they're just about amazing DpS+preload

119 damage per tick on Richi barrage fires

Anyways, Richi and JB with Richi buff in PvE are two of the highest sustained DpS units, competing with the likes of Nagato, Monarch, Georgia, etc.
and on top of that they get a preloaded salvo (some of the highest DpS even ignoring preload!)

[coral wren]

at which devlevel is azuma usable in pvp?

also congrats zach

[elder crane]

~20 or so

[coral wren]

thx

[elder crane]

will be a bit fragile there to torps/airstrikes

[coral wren]

ah

[elder crane]

so plan around that

[coral wren]

mk

[elder crane]

dev 25 is where she gets better about that, with a chunk more HP

[coral wren]

i see..

[zenith tundra]

[ripe latch]

mod on

[zenith tundra]

seems like showing ships barrages is not relevant to pvp in any way

guess time to quit being active around here

[meager dawn]

what happened

[karmic forum]

Mods probably just meant to delete the azuma stuff

You messages just got caught in the crossfire

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

i got warned not just deleted message because apparently ships barrages are not relevant to pvp. mods don't do pvp with ships

[karmic forum]

You shouldn't have gotten warned for that

[proper sorrel]

that's stupid

[inner zenith]

[ripe latch]

mods not play pvp

[zenith tundra]

about the tierlist: someone should keep it updated because i refuse to update it anymore. if people want to know what is good they better start testing themselves

[marsh bane]

"#ship-barrage" yeah that seems unjustified

[ebon schooner]

mods not knowing the game

[zenith tundra]

no point complaining now. it happened. better that people don't get warned for nothing now so no more talking about this

[proper sorrel]

quick, post your aotn from last season

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra CN/jp have personal page with meme fleets or each make personaly?

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue how people choose their defense fleet in jp

so many of them are just completely random

[karmic forum]

my defense fleet is just some of my favourite ships

[proper sorrel]

some did unexpectedly kill my fleet though

[ebon schooner]

i like switching between some meta stuff to beach skin ship

[proper sorrel]

[zenith tundra]

i either 1:1 stuff or a good defense fleet

don't really like chossing random fleets

anyway that little lusty barrage seems more a meme then actually useful for debuffing

it takes a while to travel and might not even hit for any of azuma mg+barrage damage

[zenith tundra]

does plane hp scale with ship in any way? little lusty plane keeps getting shoot down before it even does the flare

[blazing scroll]

Plane hp is fixed/plane lvl

As an example

[zenith tundra]

so for barrages it should increase with skill level?

[coral wren]

tanikaze worth using in pvp or too squish and die

[ripe latch]

why tani if we have ayaya?

on meme torp team usless

[coral wren]

i thought her skill lets other torps deal more damage too

not useful?

[ripe latch]

she can launch first torp and die

[coral wren]

i see

too squish it is

time to go back with noshi aya jintsuu

[ripe latch]

i think about shigure

[coral wren]

no idea but i never seen ppl use before

[ripe latch]

When firing main gun, 5% chance to increase own Evasion by 30% (60%) for 8 seconds.

[coral wren]

literally never met a shigure

in pvp

with that skill she uses the 76mm blue maybe?

[ripe latch]

i see , someone using, but only on offensive

and its meme

[coral wren]

if heal works

when nanoda in fleet

maybe can use to meme

cuz u prolly want nanoda in ur fleet no matter what..

[ripe latch]

but 3th girl need heal or something like noshiro

[coral wren]

noshiro shigure

juneau if balanced?

or smth like ibuki/jintsuu/ayaya

for torp

[ripe latch]

but juneau on torp meme usless

[coral wren]

well juneau is if u wanna do it like a normal fleet

but with shigure

[ripe latch]

If sortied with Yukikaze: increases own Torpedo stat by 5% (15%);

[coral wren]

if torp meme then prolly buki

[ripe latch]

15%

[coral wren]

5% DR

or 15% damage from her

[ripe latch]

no , 15% torp stat

[coral wren]

isnt torp stat just damage

[ripe latch]

if with one-two rainbow , its very high

[coral wren]

oh yea other things might buff torp stat too which makes it not direct damage

hmm

so jintsuu nanoda shigure?

thats alot of torpstat

[zenith tundra]

u can get the 15% for everyone from jintsuu/noshiro

[coral wren]

makes alot of sense here

[ripe latch]

jintsu usless , she not enough hp and her passive not enough for tanky

[coral wren]

[ripe latch]

think only noshiro

one airstrike = hp jintsu

even with toolbox + ihr

[coral wren]

rip

[ripe latch]

maybe search on bili shigure videos on pvp , but think its very funny torp comp

[coral wren]

hmm

all i can find is this ex mode

with ddcon ark royal

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV14J411F7WG?from=search&seid=15008577056873505252

[ripe latch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8q-PLtGkTY

yea , good idea

but german torps on video pretty usless

1-3 just hit

[elder crane]

normal torps hit none half the time, and 1 a third of the time

so

1-3 > 0-1

[shell heron]

honestly look like a sandbag til gensui rush type of season

[whole terrace]

The way that youtube guy shows the comps winning 3 times in a row makes it look like they steamroll meta

He knows this isn’t the case but I’m not sure all his viewers do

[ripe latch]

normal torps hit none half the time, and 1 a third of the time
@elder crane my torps get hit , but deal 0 dmg because they missed

[shell heron]

I don't use HMS, when did QE flag became normal

[ebon schooner]

shes not

[whole terrace]

QE flag has been normal since prehistoric times when the boomers ran warspite hood QE and max level was 100
It’s mainly to focus down an enemy with triple HMS BB.
Back then it was more important since warspite no-kai couldn’t quickly take down an enemy by herself
Source: a load of obscure old yt videos
Nowadays u might want QE off-flag to prevent overkill, or tank enemy warkai + amagi focus, but I still like QE flag otherwise.

[plain carbon]

is there a spreadsheet or something for BP drops from X research?

[jaunty junco]

PR1 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r0himICsu0p_DcEPQYoMqv6V7bbtyZzhyX38SHpQZ3g/htmlview#

PR2 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HZrFpUKXBaHzXHqt9yscISqYraOavXZ_TIR-avFb5zg/edit#gid=1434632675

[plain carbon]

PR 2 is locked

but thanks

I'll look into it

[jaunty junco]

Can you download a copy? Can't remember who has the original source

[plain carbon]

i wanna maximize BPs

[elder crane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jp_v9PbojRG2PQ1SMr4y-uQASyKz_ewj-Fi4NVpjls/edit?usp=sharing

does this link work?

[plain carbon]

thank you

that worked

[frail orbit]

Anyway rendar, any consensus for Riche fleet comp on pvp?

[ebon schooner]

just for meme stuff

i want to try a tosa, richie, ws

[elder crane]

I mean, how can you have a consensus on untested comp

I don't think you can even have her skills maxed yet on CN/JP?

[frail orbit]

Well just me a bit sleepy due to sandbag then

But any proposal?

CN aint even hit sl10 on both of her skills anyway

[elder crane]

I still think with JB is the way to go on her

probably just standard VG, though torps+hiryuu kicker could be a consideration, that'll be what I try out first

[ebon schooner]

will she be competitive, sure, but will she be bis, doubt it

if youre not bis youre meme/garbage

you could do a comp of her with amagi and ws

[frail orbit]

And since when putting Tosa like what u called earlier being BiS on pvp anyway

[ebon schooner]

i never called tosa bis or a serious fleet

i always said it was a meme or waifu pick

[elder crane]

I think Richi has a shot at joining offense-toptier

[ebon schooner]

i mean, any above decent bb, (which she is) can be considered toptier when parred with ws and amagi

[elder crane]

I think she's more than above decent

[ebon schooner]

she is, im just saying above decent cause ws and amagi is that good of a duo

[elder crane]

especially in PvP where her +hit matters even more than in PvE

Also WS/Amagi doesn't really synergize with toolkit, I think

[frail orbit]

Theyre actually slapdash that happens to work nicely on pvp

[ebon schooner]

i find nagato the most replaceable out of the 3 of them

[frail orbit]

Well yes she is

Fdg amagi wakai exist for a reason

🧠

[cinder crater]

Can someone send me the pvp fleet tier list

[ebon schooner]

pins

[karmic forum]

I remember the datamines saying that Riche's burn has meme-level damage

[prime panther]

is the hp buff before or after gear?

[coral wren]

@karmic forum datamine reminder. see if anything u want

[elder crane]

Richi's burn is 119 fixed damage per tick

it's basically just stat debuff

[prime panther]

yea 0 fp scaling

[vague token]

it's for debuff and fire synergy if it exists

aka the CA

[elder crane]

all the pellets can apply fire btw

70% just like large shots

[coral wren]

in namagi comp spite still better than her for third mainfleet right

[karmic forum]

Thats not that bad

[elder crane]

so fairly consistently applied to most ships if skill procs

Ofc

she needs flag

[coral wren]

thankiew

[elder crane]

Richi needs flag to work
Nagato needs flag to work

[coral wren]

tough times we live in

[karmic forum]

Well I'm excited to try her out now

[coral wren]

he used jintsuu with ibuki

[prime panther]

use avrora and watch aya torp delete

[elder crane]

You mean *Ibuki

[zenith tundra]

idk if those are equipped with plastic but they don't do amything

[elder crane]

Yeah, cause vanguard is

[frail orbit]

And no one has sl10 yet

And imagine

Why tf triom

[zenith tundra]

even not using juneau my backline doesn't go under 50%

[elder crane]

Gascan is also lulz

How does it do vs your vanguard?

Or does theirs die too quickly to tell

[zenith tundra]

563 medium and 444 heavy dmg from richelieu barrage on defense

[elder crane]

That's not what they do though
It's more of a pressure-vanguard setup at start

[frail orbit]

That includes demerit from def fleet?

[zenith tundra]

1 time that killed my yukikaze and juneau out of 15 tries

[elder crane]

Also shell travel time means that it's just that bit more on defense

[zenith tundra]

like 7s in

also 101 burn dmg with amagi

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's going to be the main concern I feel
Reliability
I have massive doubts on it

I wonder if you could build Richi FC as a better(?) KFC, actually

[zenith tundra]

imo too rng to try and kill vg. would only work against bad comps

and u still have little backline pressure anyway

[vague token]

it's better if you focus on 2nd shelling round with formi probably

[zenith tundra]

even less backline pressure

the only times that comp was slightly dangerous was with early fires. if u have to wait for vg death it becomes too late for fires to do much if anything

[coral wren]

is there easy way to check if my akagi still faster than kaga

cuz if i change the gears im kinda worried about the current balance being broken

[zenith tundra]

the tier list has an airstrike calculator

[coral wren]

here i go

thx

[zenith tundra]

not sure if u can use it

dead reset for me. no one moved last 2hrs

[cinder crater]

Should Azuma equip VH plate for pvp

[zenith tundra]

generally no unless u have problems with bb teams

it doesn't work well vs torp and cv dmg so it's not generally better then rudder

[elder crane]

VH is hyperspecialized vs not-CV not-torp teams
it'd be the choice if everyone ran straight meta, pretty much

but many people run off-meta trash smh

so... ehhh

very questionable

[cinder crater]

Am I the only one who hates how heavy is basically a sidegrade to medium

[elder crane]

not sure why you dislike that

[vague token]

or just put armor on ships that brute force their way past non-meta

aka azuma

xD

who cares if you take 25% more torp

when you gun them down

like the weaklings they are

[elder crane]

idk, torpteam actually gives VH azuma quite some trouble

[vague token]

sub 3k base hp

[zenith tundra]

u can get one shooted with vh

[elder crane]

especially if you're running non-HIryuu

[vague token]

i mean if you get that kind of rng

you could get 1 shot in medium

xD

[elder crane]

Even just Noshiro/Jun/Ykkz can 1-shot

not really

[vague token]

i mean ive had lead juneau with bulge + noshiro get 1 shot

rng happens

[elder crane]

yeah, that's why Azuma is mid

[vague token]

usually doesnt happen often

xD

[elder crane]

and mid VH azuma not too uncommonly can get exploded by torpteams

[vague token]

plus the more torps that your vg eats is less damage your main eats

[elder crane]

also CV strikes hurt

[zenith tundra]

vh hp is only 1/12 of azuma hp and u take 1/4 more

[elder crane]

especially since VH Azuma won't be a fast enough team to dodge bombs reliably

also opportunity cost

of lost rudder or something

I ran it for a while and boy does it feel bad vs torps/CVs

[zenith tundra]

so u lose ehp against torp with heavy armor

[elder crane]

feels amazing when you no-sell Nagato barrage though

I'd run it in a heartbeat if everyone ran Azuma non-torp vanguard

[vague token]

also you sit there forever when you push

[elder crane]

as it is, no

[vague token]

lately ive been finding that outside of the barrage itself, offtank eats the most shells

cause when my vg wiggles around in shell aoe

[elder crane]

given movement pattern, yep

[vague token]

off tank is always still in there

i hate it so much

[elder crane]

cause off tank always trails

[vague token]

i swear it's easier for defense shells to hit because of the travel time

[elder crane]

It's the other way around lol

[vague token]

"AI" gets confused

[elder crane]

easier for offense to hit cause less travel time

[vague token]

na, there's more time for your vg to change their direction

more rng in it

[elder crane]

you just don't notice it

cause selection bias

when you pay attention, you'll find your BB hit their vanguard more

[vague token]

i watch vg shots, i always get hit more

lots of double backing

[elder crane]

you're just remembering bad RNG fights more

this is the Nagato barrage thing all over again

[vague token]

na, i watch shelling the most

[elder crane]

record, say, 10-20 battles and come back with evidence

[vague token]

#1 cause of vg loss is catching shells

for me

[elder crane]

every time I do that, Nagato RNG is exactly as expected

yeah, same for defense

you just chalk it up to expected win when you expode their vanguard

[vague token]

na, when i was running triple bb i was just out ehping them

cause suruga

why rely on hitting when you just out trade

xD

[elder crane]

again, record it then

cause when I check recordings game by game, that's what I see

[zenith tundra]

~~ solo yukikaze shouldn't count ~~

[elder crane]

you just expect to win fights, so when you roll them over, it's not as memorable

[vague token]

na, i swapped to double cv + ws cause bb rng xD

[elder crane]

it's quite common to expode their vanguard with shelling, really
why do you think KFC offense worked as well as it did

[zenith tundra]

btw i noticed earlier that defense vg is positioned exactly for 1st vg ship to hit with a normal quint exactly ur entire backline

couldn't keep little lusty alive unless vg collected torp aiming for her

[vague token]

like the non-mag one?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

weird

[zenith tundra]

kitakaze was always sniping all my backlines

with non mag

i spent like 3 min retying to see how her plane hits in pvp and she just kept dying to torp

[vague token]

oof

practice mode when yostar

[zenith tundra]

and after i finally managed to keep her alive the plane got one shot before it could drop bomb

[vague token]

ouch

[upper sparrow]

Ok i will just save the link for preference in the future

But the mod is just so sensitive nowaday, wtf is going on

[zenith tundra]

not pvp topic tbh

[ebon schooner]

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

wasting all these bonuses lel

[zenith tundra]

~~ no bonuses if u weren't behind ~~

[vague token]

kek

[hot creek]

Should I run HPFCR or SG on FDG?

Initially I went for HPFCR but I feel that little bit of extra evasion from SG can go a long way with her massive HP pool.

[vague token]

i personally would do double sg i think?

[hot creek]

double SG? Interesting. Hadnt considered that but it makes sense.

[vague token]

i personally would do that or sg/rudder

dunno

or maybe ill try formidable

[sour oasis]

Hey, I see Cay on my list. And I still have 7 tickets left. That's... Good right?

[hot creek]

no, unless you're a match down

[zenith tundra]

u should check the table in pins to see if ur score is good or not

[sour oasis]

I'm four matches down.

[zenith tundra]

F