pvp

[sour oasis]

Geez, I rushed too fast.

If I didn't lose fights early on, I could eat the +9s and get AotN with my remaining tickets

[shell heron]

I didn't get a +9. In fact got a +1 at the end

[proper sorrel]

I would have tried if I had actual ships ready for pvp

[sour oasis]

Well, I was 26-ish points behind you Cay and you were at the top of my list. You just needed to not lose your first fight

(We probably need a better term than "+points". Maybe bonus-x?)

[shell heron]

After losing 2 matches that season from afking

Never again

[vague token]

i was playing monster hunter so wasnt paying attention xD

[shell heron]

I sense a bad gensui rush

prob catch a +1 near the end but not looking good right now

[karmic forum]

Should I refresh to maybe get top rankers?

[shell heron]

I got a r8 but that's only 20 points up before

prob a good idea to keep note on some gensui rusher names

[vague token]

add to a google sheet

jk

unless

[sour oasis]

Well, I took a 9-point win just so I could AotN now and be 🍖 later. Earliest I've hit AotN. Feels good not caring for the rest of the week.

@shell heron I haven't seen anyone unfamiliar. Though if you're tracking in more detail, I'd be curious if you see anyone new.

@karmic forum worth it if you want to rush now, and have only 2 or 3 to reach AotN.

[shell heron]

my goal isn't to hit AotN now

it's to edge forward a little more

it looks like the same people who rush this reset

actually might be worth it to try pushing a bit now

or refresh into a better name

that works too

[vague token]

there's gonna be weird names cause of the maintenance anyways

[shell heron]

I see plenty of regulars up there

[light crystal]

So guys, think that Namagi/Richelieu can be a thing?

Maybe Namagi/Rich, Noshiro/Sanrui/YKKZ

Could try it out for fun

[shell heron]

she just becomes a barrage BB if you use her like that.

[light crystal]

I got 5 of those ships at 120/200/Dev35. Just would need to bring Rich up to speed

[shell heron]

you can run her flag for faction buff, but why keep nagato

[light crystal]

For IJN core. Probably more balanced then running full French as well. And Sanrui was always alright. With Noshiro and Rich Buffs, could be quite interesting as well

[shell heron]

as a fun fleet sure

[light crystal]

Hmm, could be more than just fun tho. Cuz Namagi/IJN core + 2 wild cards have always been balanced comps anyway.

It's not like Rich is weak herself either

[vague token]

she's probably not great without flag

you cant debuff many enemies and no stat boost

[shell heron]

you're forced to lose Juneau heal for buffed Sanrui, but that's if you use her as flag

[light crystal]

Ooh, she needs to be flag for buffs?

[shell heron]

Suruga is a better option than her from what I'm looking at

[light crystal]

Ur right, thought it was like QE

[shell heron]

yes, flagship BB

[light crystal]

Fuck, does throw a wrench into that plan

🤔

[shell heron]

If you want fun

[vague token]

if only she buffed defense for sanrui

[light crystal]

So Rich, Amagi, and WK then?

[shell heron]

Richelieu/Gascogne/JB sounds meme enough to work

[light crystal]

Hmmm

Eh

[vague token]

i dont understand why vichya gets defense boost

xD

[shell heron]

QE?

[light crystal]

I meant WK* lol

[shell heron]

I was thinking who are you buffing with QE exactly

[light crystal]

At that point, maybe Rich, Gascone + WK/Amagi/FDG I guess then

[shell heron]

Dunno, seems interesting enough to try. Amagi will lose her fast first salvo and be a debuffer/buffer

[light crystal]

I know

But EVA Rate Up + Debuffs are still nice

[shell heron]

we'll find out soon when we get her.

[vague token]

rich/amagi/formi

[shell heron]

we tested ships like tosa so why not

[light crystal]

The only weakness I see in Reich is pitiful 19 Luck.

But then Amagi and FDG aren't any better, so meh lol

Oh yea, it's also right about time for PR3. So Gascone could get Dev35 update as well, could play into calculus

Hope it's something neat, like Adrenaline Rush in WoWs. Increase RL by 150% and DMG dealt by 15%+ when HP at 5% or something haha

[shell heron]

will it really be enough for 1 more salvo tbh?

[elder crane]

We already have AR

it's monarch

+1 reload per 1% HP under full HP

actually quite noticable once she's lower HP

My meme plan is to go full retard on preload
Richi+JB+TorpVG
and then Hiryuu probably to bail me out at end
Warkai might also work

[light crystal]

🤔

Ok, then what WoWs-y Skill could they put on the Gas Can?

They could extend the Blue buff for 2 extra seconds or something, from 8s to 10-12s I guess

[elder crane]

That would be my guess, either longer eva buff or larger eva buff

[light crystal]

Longer Buff time would make pretty nice on the Arena tbh

Specially with Rich around now

[elder crane]

Fundamental problem is that gascan would be a slow ship, which has no synergy here on JB and Richi being fast-preloaded ships

no preload
20 s barrage

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

If you want to do full french though, not much choice sadly

[vague token]

she could get a barrage at 5

or something

or start

cause roon gets her shield skill activation at the start

[light crystal]

Yeh, maybe faster Barrage activation would be nice for a Dev35 lol

[coral wren]

Wow, if i did all my exercises id only get to 2150

[vague token]

i dont understand why taihou/formi loses total damage trade vs centaur/formi, does taihou's air dr not work on crash?

or maybe this guy's wfc is using double damage aux

instead of evasion

or does centaur having a lower penalty constitute that much more potential damage advantage?

yeah im confused, i should be winning the damage trade thanks to 20% reduc but i guess not?

especially with amagi debuff on the field

oh wait

i think there's air targeting shenanigans going on here

it looks like there's quite a bit of rng on bomb targeting

i just one shot the formidable

after swapping to double helldiver

it feels like defense double cv has higher odds of dropping bombs on your main

[shell heron]

can someone on my list move already

[vague token]

yeah i definitely lose bomb trades pretty much 90% of the time

even with amagi + taihou dr

the total air damage is less for me than for wfc

[silent ocean]

no i will not move i am a rock

[vague token]

yeah centaur/formi just outtrades formi/taihou even through dr

if i mirror him i just blow up centaur with ws

yeah taihou sponges the warspite pretty well at least

[ionic magnet]

3 refreshes got me nowhere

now no choice but to hope these rank 150s can still climb

[elder crane]

Taihou is heavy armor lol

Ofc you lose DB trade

The extra damage taken for being heavy, pretty sure outweighs the DR benefit

Cent also gets higher eva and luck

90/110 and 105/125 mods for med/heavy on 500 and 1k lb bombs
Basically, that's your DR already

Then you have 70 eva 73 luck 95 hit on cent
54 eva 36 luck 82 hit on Taihou
That's nearly a 20% hitrate diff, which is going to be like 30+% higher evasion mod for eHP on Centaur

And ofc cent has 12.5% higher PvP damage mod since 80% vs 90%

When it comes to tanking crash, the DR and slightly higher base HP and AA ofc means Taihou is favoured
When it comes to plane munitions though, Cent is heavily favored

[vague token]

no i mean on vanguard fight

no bombs should be hitting either

minus weird rng

i lose on the first strike trade

which should be crash and torp only

including amagi debuff

im running double cuda dive (2 cuda on taihou, 2 cuda formidable)

first strike should be heavily in my favor

like im delivering 6 planes of cuda crash on taihou alone compared to her 4

[keen sparrow]

100mm for not only for aa it also for mini torpedo barrage spam

[zenith tundra]

there are better choices for barrage spam, u only pick twin 100 for aa

[keen sparrow]

single 76? but twin 100 provide aa n fast reload not fast as 76 but at least is gud for

100mm rainbow when

[shell heron]

that was a successful gensui rush

+2

[karmic forum]

You got a +12?

[ionic magnet]

famine got +4

last reset

[keen sparrow]

+4 so lucky eh

[karmic forum]

I got +2 and used all of my refreshes

[ionic magnet]

im out of refresh too and got +3

[crude mortar]

i got by bonus point

cya next season

[zenith tundra]

i rushed as well to 4/10 for aotn. too behind for my score to matter eos

[crude mortar]

i realize

sleep is worth more than 2500 merit

[zenith tundra]

or u get both

[shell heron]

First time i was ever this ahead. When famine is within touch.

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

I had a feeling gensui rush was gonna be rough

[coral wren]

Well I'll just have to rush in the end.

[zenith tundra]

does anyone know what better on tashkent, toolbox rudder or tollbox seal, with uni/shouhou backline? gph just ignores question to discuss usual monarch vs X topic

[marsh bane]

i know someone uses shouhou with tashy on D3 of the JP/CN event with box/rudder on her

for mobs

[zenith tundra]

ok so still rudder

[marsh bane]

i'd go rudder ye

tho i like doing fp memes sometimes and give her that report thing even tho its not amazing

[zenith tundra]

new french event d3 does actually hurt vg so i wouldn't use that

[sterile bluff]

any noteworthy gear for the new french event?

[marsh bane]

d3 new HE CA gun or d1 for 138.6 if ya want

[coral wren]

But is the new ca gun actually good though?

[shell heron]

looking at it. it might be better than the PR1 HE CA gun

ok, my reset after gensui was better than gensui

3 +1s already

[zenith tundra]

it actually hits stuff

it has a really tight pattern. i think it can only be worse then mle if the ca has really good barrage

[vague token]

i mean mle has really low spread

cause it shoots in singles

xD

it's kinda weird

[zenith tundra]

the problem with mle is movement

if the ships moves too much due to high vt overall it can miss

due to firing angles

[vague token]

high vt? you mean the lower than other guns vt?

xD

[zenith tundra]

it shoots 3 times

so vt*2

[vague token]

yes, over .4

[zenith tundra]

.8

vs .5

new gun

[vague token]

new gun is a .25 vt?

[zenith tundra]

it shoots 2x2

[vague token]

i thought volley time was for all projectiles

at least based on the dps numbers

[zenith tundra]

i might be wrong then

[vague token]

yeah based on the raw dps it uses just 1 vt + reload

on the table

[sterile bluff]

d3 new HE CA gun or d1 for 138.6 if ya want :LaughW:
@marsh bane bruh more 138.6 in new event?

[marsh bane]

Yeah

but D1 only has 2 sirens

so its kinda worse lmao

higher lv too

[vague token]

now of course it does do 50% of its damage before vt really kicks in

compared to mle only does 1/3

so that is better comparison

raw vt mle beats everything

.4

xD

[shell heron]

I wonder what the weapon coeff will be

[vague token]

unless the new one has even lower vt

which is also possible

.2 vt or something

[shell heron]

it's not a small part of the damage calculation

[vague token]

if it's like mle it could be 1.3

[shell heron]

but if it's only 1.1, we'll have to see

[vague token]

i mean most are 1.1 or 1.05

nothing is 1

xD

[zenith tundra]

1.1 and 0.5

well it still pretty much same chucked by movements

[coral wren]

So is the new french gub good for ca in pvp if you ever need to use ca in pvp? Or use a different gun.

[vague token]

well, probably?

[zenith tundra]

ca angles are still terrible

and new gun is as bad sd mle 38

[vague token]

xD

[vague token]

it'll be better because at the 0 mark you do 50% of gun damage

instead of 33%

[zenith tundra]

yeah that is the thing i guess

[vague token]

of course .2 seconds later mle takes back the damage lead

but .2 seconds is enough time for vg to scoot

wait it has 55 range?

oh wait that's in game range

it's probably different for ammo range

[zenith tundra]

idk

[vague token]

oh wait CA guns have longer detection range than ammo range

im checking mle page

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[vague token]

it has 70 target, 50 shell

but in game it say 60

[zenith tundra]

it should be 70 55 for this

[vague token]

like what

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

on en at least

what does mle say over there?

[zenith tundra]

60

[vague token]

xD

in game is precisely in middle for reasons

[zenith tundra]

skc is 70 50 as well and in-game is 55

i have no clue wtf are they doing with those numbers

[vague token]

🍝

extra thicc spaghetti

delicious

[zenith tundra]

i'm even more curious how do u come out with 55 out of 70 and 50

let's say mle gets (70+50)/2

but how is 55 a thing

[vague token]

magic

i doubt it's a calculated number

they just hard typed something in

while smoking

[zenith tundra]

[naive dome]

How is it possible that my list all has lower rank than me ?

[shell heron]

because you're r8

chance of people above you is less likely than lower

[zenith tundra]

at rank 8 chances for someone higher are close to 0 tbh

[naive dome]

i mean they're like 40 score below me

[shell heron]

yes that happens

[zenith tundra]

ur score is too high so the system balances it by giving u opponents that would give - bonus score

just wait for end of reset and use a refresh if no one moved

or u can just wait an entire reset for the to move

[naive dome]

im just gonna try to be admiral of the fleet for as long as possible, for merit gain

[zenith tundra]

then just use refreshes for better opponents

but most likely u'll eat a lot of - points

it's only 10 merit extra per match so won't matter all that much

[upper sparrow]

just eat that 9 point bro

[zenith tundra]

that a -2

if not even -3

actually if u don't mind could u check opponents score before attacking when under u and write both ur and opponent scores in here? i'm curious about the -2 threshold

[naive dome]

okay

guy with chinese name is on my list

[zenith tundra]

accounts made before name restrictions

[vague token]

kek

nice discord

that's a lot of

[naive dome]

that 97 ping is a folder of a bunch of warcraft discord that i haven't checked for like 6 months

[shell heron]

weird, gensui reset was pretty dead for me. this one was good

+4

[vague token]

heh, double mle drop from boss, guess i can give juneau one finally

[upper sparrow]

kiro give ur luck to me

[vague token]

i didnt get an extra last time

this is just finishing my previous 13 bps

[upper sparrow]

warkai suruga combo with enty feels pretty solid to me, want to give centy and formi a try too

[vague token]

oh someone has rainbow gun

defense warkai hitting for 2k on taihou

oh it just does 2k on everything

that is heavy

so i guess 2.5k on medium

[naive dome]

@zenith tundra I got +8 at 2242 against the 2201 opponent

[warped depot]

How’s this PvP team?

[midnight heron]

prepare to die

[warped depot]

...Rip

[hot creek]

That backline is fine if you retro warspite but that VG is gonna make you lose badly. For now, just try to pick off lower leveled fleets if you wanna pvp.

[meager dawn]

just keep fighting full 120 fleets to power level your ships

[light crystal]

Rare to see ppl stat pad their Power rating like this nowadays

[vague token]

needs 3rd retro for main

for more fp

[upper sparrow]

fleet power memes

[meager dawn]

needs an emile bertin kai if he wants more fleet power

[upper sparrow]

how much emile bertin max fleet power number?

[meager dawn]

dunno, but certainly higher than jintsuu's

[storm jewel]

someone can explain why most formation put Ibuki front most ?

[inner zenith]

tank purposes. high hp and 12% eva increase for 6s (fate sim) when she fires torps which is usually at the start

[storm jewel]

[elder crane]

Also means she fires torps first

[storm jewel]

she is squishy af

[zenith tundra]

she is not really squishy unless u go double oxy which almost everyone does

[storm jewel]

ah u got me

[upper sparrow]

so the fronmost vg shoot the torp first? its news to me

[elder crane]

Yep, Ibuki fires off both preloads too

Anyways, firing first means she won't pepega out and torp from behind your own main fleet

For defense though, that's a negative, can't get in random close-range torps

[zenith tundra]

ships launch torp in order of position. tank 1st then mid then off tank

[shell heron]

well chinawall wasn't able to do any real damage, but the fight did go to 4:20 as usual

[sour oasis]

@naive dome why did you fight someone 35+ ladder points below you?

[shell heron]

out of refreshes?

wasn't Ara Ara the person who rushed and wanted to stay top 10 for as long as possible

[naive dome]

i wanted max merit

[shy hazel]

mmm

[ripe latch]

sandbang to get top10

[crude mortar]

what is new ca gun stat?

[shell heron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516951413411020819/713580149458862151/Screenshot_2020.05.23_05.32.35.jpg?width=936&height=526

[sterile bluff]

interesting

they r all HE I assume?

[crude mortar]

ap or he?

[shell heron]

HE

I would say better then PR1 MLE because of lower vt time

even if weapon coeff is 1.1

[sterile bluff]

but not AP 🚮

[vague token]

is it lower? xD

mle is .4

unless you mean it delivers 50% of damage at 0 compared to 33% of mle

which is fair enough

[zenith tundra]

i used it here if u want to see pattern. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pChbsBjIyTA&t=254s

the video is made for non believers in gph to prove u can kill 24 sirens in 15m

[inner zenith]

lol

[zenith tundra]

anyway it really had no spread on those shoots. like i think it ever misses like 2 times to hit 1 shell

in 15 min

[crude mortar]

is it better to farm only seiren?

[zenith tundra]

not really but when time limited sure

fighting the other 3 normal battles would take too long for what is worth

[crude mortar]

can bp drop from normal mob fleet?

[zenith tundra]

gold bps only drop from elites and boss

[crude mortar]

oh ok

how many bp did u got from 24 seiren?

[zenith tundra]

in that video 0 in 21

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

i missed 24 for some seconds due to having to retire ships

[crude mortar]

i been doing 16run 6 bp

[ripe latch]

f season , go next

[crude mortar]

rank7 10/10?

[ripe latch]

imagine have aotn if not sandbang

5/10

[crude mortar]

I realize my sleep > 2500 merit

[zenith tundra]

iris killed all activities that aren't mle farm

[ripe latch]

where all ppl?
-they farm gun

[zenith tundra]

we are complaining about dead pvp

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra any idea where its usable?

[zenith tundra]

it's included in my edps ehp table if u want to see calculations for it

it's ok maybe too offensive but should work

[ripe latch]

maybe on dd cl

[zenith tundra]

cv only tbh

[crude mortar]

this guy hiryuu

pretty tanko

y

actually very

I use cleveland losing like 20 in a row

I change cleveland to bremerton 2 try win

idk this guy hiryu had like 90% evasion or what

[ripe latch]

hiryu not a problem if u have yuki

[crude mortar]

first 2 barrage

missing 80% of the time

and he use vh plate

IDK

[ripe latch]

beaver + ihr tbh

[crude mortar]

no

its heavy

I can sense its 100% heavy armor

[ripe latch]

enemy hiryu

[zenith tundra]

rudder armor

[crude mortar]

and 20 sec

dodgine warspite

like

80% of the time

miss miss miss

idk man

[ripe latch]

like ppl with hiryuu + vh , torp dmg

[zenith tundra]

u should have 65% hit against that at least with oathed ws

[crude mortar]

it miss like all the time

idk why

it just dont hit

first 2 barrage either hit 1 or 0

reset like 20 times

it just dont hit

i might use brem more

[ripe latch]

use porty

[vague token]

i mean bremerton is probably better than portland with her dr skill

[ripe latch]

for 30s

vs hiryuu

when enemy hiryuu get dmg after 30-35 sec

[crude mortar]

brem middle

🙂

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

i mean if you force fc before 30 it's fine

just focus her with ws

;)

[crude mortar]

she miss thats why

[vague token]

try double sg

xD

[zenith tundra]

it 3% more hit

at the cost of 6% dmg but also 8% more ehp

might be worth it tbh

[vague token]

if you use hsfcr you might rng into rudder xD

so double sg is ok option

with 410 ap

[zenith tundra]

idk with qe buff and 410 ap it's 19.3

[vague token]

oh i only mean no qe xD

[zenith tundra]

20.22 hmm

[crude mortar]

no

yeah

my default warspite shoot into rudder alltime

20

[zenith tundra]

what's her reload?

if u shoot into rudder u miss a lot

[zenith tundra]

fleet tech doesn't apply anyway

[crude mortar]

no

I just shyow

that my reload no tech bonus

cuz number above include tech

im changing qe to amagi soon for the sake of not hitting rudder

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't

it's always base+equip or base+fleet tech

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

she has 470 fp on both screens

[crude mortar]

145?

143

[zenith tundra]

the 2 from fleet tech is not applied in 1st screen as well as equip is not applied to 2nd

[crude mortar]

oh ok

I remember last time your both sever amagi had different reload?

[zenith tundra]

that was on equip screen

not stat screen

like if u go to equip screen and check gun reload the 2 from fleet tech is applied

188 with 410 ap should be 20.22 but it's lower in equip screen due to 2 reload from fleet tech

it's actually 20.12 since i add the 0.1 for delay after reload in calculations

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

in jp i get 19.98 due to fleet tech reload

[crude mortar]

[still minnow]

so I want lusty to attack quickly to get her shields to cycle

I want taiho to attack slowly so she can bypass lucky E

and then that leaves formi with nobody to sync her stun with

do I have any options here for making this work

[crude mortar]

bypass lucky e.

[zenith tundra]

lusty shields should be on opponent airstrike not really faster

[still minnow]

bypass lucky E so she doesn't take 0 damage from my backline at all times and eventually kill them all?

go try taking 3 CVs against enterprise without tuning their reloads and watch what happens

[crude mortar]

you can use any fleet beating enterprise fleet 2020

[zenith tundra]

cv suck at dealing with enty

[still minnow]

assuming she has the same plane setup as you, she gets to proc lucky e before your planes reach her

so she takes 0 damage from the entire attack

[crude mortar]

but you kill their whole fleet except her isn't it

[still minnow]

doesn't matter if their whole fleet is dead or not when E can solo your whole backline

[crude mortar]

whats your vg

june?

[still minnow]

underlvlled

[zenith tundra]

just use slower planes. hellcat vt-18

[elder crane]

Erm
Maxed warkai even with triple 381/mk 6 without any reload/load time mods doesn't hit into rudder proc timing

HPFCR or QE will mess it up

[zenith tundra]

if it doesn't work change comp

[elder crane]

both will correct it again the other way

[still minnow]

yeah thats what I tried, I have slow planes set up but then I run into syncing issues

[crude mortar]

there is wishng well

throw some cube and get centaur

[still minnow]

between formidable and taiho

[zenith tundra]

try and sync formie and lusty

[still minnow]

alright

[elder crane]

And yes, 3 CV vs Enty is

[still minnow]

guess we get to find out if lusty has enough AVI to do real damage with ryuusei

[elder crane]

especially without anything that outspeeds E

she has 2 ryuus, so

[still minnow]

I had bataan before but even with her, it depended a lot on what the enterprise is equipped with

[elder crane]

you're better off trying to hit VF-17 bombs

[still minnow]

it turns out a lot of people equip enterprise with speed loadouts

presumably to proc lucky e as often as possible

[elder crane]

aka just run beacon?

[still minnow]

she already had a beacon

[elder crane]

no, I mean beacon on enty

[crude mortar]

i done rune beacen on enty

[still minnow]

ah yeah

[crude mortar]

*run

ain't using beacon

ever again

it make enty proc end faster than enemy hiryu

ain't ever using it again

[elder crane]

it ends faster either way lol

[crude mortar]

it end alot faster

with homing

[elder crane]

If E strike procs Hiryuu skill, then Hiryuu skill's return strike hits after lucky E ends

that's the timing you see

that's why Hiryuu can deal with Enty

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

"problem" with that is that Hiryuu can only deal with one thing at a time

[still minnow]

is there a good "slow" fighter?

[crude mortar]

the one from core

[elder crane]

pretty much no

the one from core is faster than F6F

[elder crane]

that's as good as it gets

purple F4U in PvP is

[zenith tundra]

+6 hellcat

[still minnow]

that's not a slow fighter

[elder crane]

slow

EN can't read, as usual

[still minnow]

pretty sure that's the fastest fighter in the game

[elder crane]

[zenith tundra]

fastest good fighter

[elder crane]

nah, it's the fastest one with 500 lb bombs

[crude mortar]

[still minnow]

fastest relevant fighter yeagh

[crude mortar]

someone told me it same speed kekeke

[still minnow]

slow fighter with 2x1000 would be perfect for me rn

[elder crane]

On Lusty?

[crude mortar]

fighter with 1000 bomb?

[still minnow]

for taihole

so she can out-slow lucky E

and slap E across the face

with her big ol tiddies

[elder crane]

sounds like she gets killed before she launches then

[still minnow]

nah it's taihole have you seen how much padding she's got

[elder crane]

Heavy armor and shit soft defensive stats

[crude mortar]

this game fighter doesn't have 1k bomb

or not

[still minnow]

pretty sure 500lb is the biggest fighter bomb it's got

[elder crane]

Taihou vs actual strike, and not just suicide, is actually quite squish

bombs and torps do more damage vs heavy armor than medium, which completely offsets her damage reduction skill

and then her soft defensive stats are on the low end
low luck, low eva

[still minnow]

yeah that part sucks

[elder crane]

She's mostly just tanky vs BB HE and especially Amagi/Nagato barrages

[still minnow]

oh so she should be flag and not slutty?

[elder crane]

since those both have dogshit mods vs heavy and count as HE ammo

[zenith tundra]

does amagi really counts as he without having any fire chance?

[still minnow]

which provides more eHP, rudder or bieber badge?

for a backliner

[elder crane]

Huh, wait, nvm, you're right, amagi's is normal

despite same ammo mod % as Nagato

and red color on damage popup, pretty sure?
or am I just high

[zenith tundra]

maybe was nerfed to not set fires

[still minnow]

do the devs nerf?

[granite flame]

no

[zenith tundra]

but they didn't change mods

amagi was nerfed pre release

[still minnow]

I was using this plane on slutty with 2x reppuus

since I'm pretty sure the plane's damage bonus applies to aircraft crash damage

[elder crane]

obviously since pre-release, we don't know if her barrage was changed

[granite flame]

only torp plane you should use is barracuda or the one in core data i thought

that slows

[elder crane]

ehhhhhh

[still minnow]

basically trying to get as much damage out of her as physically possible XDDDD

[elder crane]

you lose soooo much crash damage though

[still minnow]

what do you mean lose?

[zenith tundra]

if u cannot kill enty u lose nothing after all

[elder crane]

VT-18 has 🚮 crash compared to cudas

300 vs 480

[still minnow]

oh

that's stupid

I thought all planes had the same crash damage except reppuus

[elder crane]

all planes have diff crash damage lol

you should check up on this lol

[still minnow]

goddamn it another thing for me to think about? XDDDD

[elder crane]

there's like a very few planes with same crash damage

like Cuda TB and Cuda DB

both 480

helldiver is 186 iirc btw

that's why AP cuda in PvP isn't completely stupid

[still minnow]

apparently reppuu only has 168?

wtf

[frail orbit]

Ye

[elder crane]

all fighters are low

[still minnow]

I've been lied to my entire life

[elder crane]

Reppu is actually highest

of the fighters that is

[frail orbit]

Still low tho

[still minnow]

162 isn't exactly much of an improvement over 152

[elder crane]

don't forget intercept planes also do crash damage

[frail orbit]

And who's slutty btw

[elder crane]

so if enemy has planes, you get more than that

[frail orbit]

Dunno who

[elder crane]

Lusty

[still minnow]

half the ships in the game

[frail orbit]

Keks

[elder crane]

anyways, fighters double dip on crash damage if enemy fleet has any planes at all

[still minnow]

fair enough

[elder crane]

or can sometimes even triple dip

[vague token]

or dont if they shoot your planes down

xD

[still minnow]

I suppose it does add up after a while

[elder crane]

shooting planes down

[still minnow]

enemy can't shoot your planes down if you overwhelm their AA with a completely ridiculous amount of planes

4head

[vague token]

shooting down a solo cv fighter is easy

[frail orbit]

And why tf using slutty

[vague token]

after that not so easy

xD

[frail orbit]

In the 1st place

[elder crane]

• one intercept launches with strikes if roughly same timing

[still minnow]

cause my VG gets molested :D

[vague token]

too bad hiryuu has a barrage at 10

xD

[elder crane]

well, that's why you do 3 CV

[zenith tundra]

and die to enty

[frail orbit]

Noshiro 4head for VG lah

[vague token]

just use 2 + ws

[elder crane]

9 interception fighters at same time

[frail orbit]

Ur VG wont get sekuhara

[still minnow]

not using meta

[elder crane]

just use Hiryuu lol

Hiryuu solves any single problem

Cent also outspeeds enty easily

[frail orbit]

^

Cent lah

FC comp da wae

[vague token]

accept team wtf

destroy all shells

triple bb? only small problem

(until 457)

[frail orbit]

Gud alter but I heard on barrage not registered as crash?

[elder crane]

I mean, Warkai, Hiryuu, similarish role really as drop-in
solves a singular problem, for the most part

[frail orbit]

Dunno tho, never tried it tbh since I only have 1 AP cuda

[vague token]

i need to buy 2 more

xD

[still minnow]

what's an AP cuda

[frail orbit]

How much u have now tho

[vague token]

2

[elder crane]

can you write that again, in English?

rather than gibberish

I just have my 1 cause, like, why do you need more than 1

[zenith tundra]

btw wfc with helena is not easy to deal with even for namaryuu. yukikaze can just stall enough for hiryuu to final counter on her since suicide dmg is nuts with helena proc. i lost like 3/10 against that

[elder crane]

if I need two I can buy another anyways

[vague token]

cause 1 for taihou, 1 for formidable

[still minnow]

ah the core shop cuda

is it good?

[vague token]

2 for sara

if i want to meme

[frail orbit]

Same w/ u zack

[vague token]

maybe i should try helena instead of noshiro and toss bulge on juneau

[frail orbit]

Need freakin crit against centaur or formi

Wait

[elder crane]

Good to know, I'll look out for that team and see if I can test
When I ran any real team it was an easy pushover

btw doesn't Azuma smack Helena hard?

[zenith tundra]

not dev 25 mine yet

[vague token]

i mean she smacks everyone hard

outside of armor azuma

lul

[zenith tundra]

but i did kill her like 30% before airstrike

[frail orbit]

Pardon for that profanity typo smhw, but non d25 is derp

Mine survived for her being d25 tbh

And need a lucky kill on Centaur ASAP

Or 4mi

[elder crane]

Idk, I've seen that team before, was always easy rollover

[still minnow]

what do I use AP cuda for?

[frail orbit]

Since bulk of dmg is on either of em in case of hooloo wfc

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu u just need yukikaze dead before final counter. u just win like 90% of the time off that

[frail orbit]

Personally I just snipe w/ Wakai

[elder crane]

idk, I use Hiryuu to tank warkai pretty much always, if I bother to move fleet around

haven't really had issues with that

[frail orbit]

Namawakai da wae for pure offense

[elder crane]

We'll see if I can find one of them to test against

[ripe latch]

Hiryuu solves any single problem
@elder crane hiryuu its +10

[zenith tundra]

i tested against hooloovoo

[frail orbit]

Wait til u find Hooloo

It was when he climbed

[elder crane]

do you know what rank he is at now?

[frail orbit]

Dunno, been a week ago

[elder crane]

I might have issues finding him at higher ranks cause I've dropped a shit ton of matches

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue. check at reset time

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

8 total, 4 with patch

[vague token]

oof

[elder crane]

and yes, to answer that
I did forget to do my PvP the night before patch

went in 9/10 it seems

[frail orbit]

Perhaps time to use Helena on offense also? And putting pearl on her?

[elder crane]

Well, time to try to explode some helenas, brb

[elder crane]

oh lol I can barely reach that rank

would go down to 1/10

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet good naming sense I see

[still minnow]

is putting a dive bomber on formi to slow her down a bad idea

[elder crane]

no

quite standard if timings work out

[still minnow]

what if it has to be a comet

[zenith tundra]

831 is bis for formie imo

[elder crane]

Can't at least use the, erm

[still minnow]

alright I'll pick one of those up when I get the 150 core

[elder crane]

the 2x1k lb one?

[still minnow]

I don't have either the AP cuda or the firefly

so I'd have to get one

[elder crane]

AP cuda is pretty much fighter timing

[still minnow]

also turns out comet launches faster than hellcat

so

not going to be a comet

xDDD

[elder crane]

AP cuda is even faster, so

[still minnow]

rip

[elder crane]

use firefly then

or just helldiver it

and slow down your other CV

[still minnow]

AP cuda good on taihole also?

[elder crane]

Taihou has good DB effs, so ehhhhh

Pretty sure no

[still minnow]

oh DB effs is how you decide?

[elder crane]

crash doesn't scale with effs

so it's great (?) for trash eff slots
and is a waste on good eff slots

[elder crane]

Also
Trump has dev 30 Azuma in his wall now

[crude mortar]

[still minnow]

what server are u guys on

[elder crane]

I want to see how this goes, lemme take a detour on my testing plan

Avrora is the one with most of us

[still minnow]

o I am on washy

guess that explains why I never recognize any names

[elder crane]

big yikes, lost vanguard fight quite badly
as expected since Warkai Amagi Hiryuu has low pressure on vanguard

still won Hiryuu proc timing by a bit

[zenith tundra]

831 does same dps on enty with 75% plane hp and 88% bomb hit% as helldivers

on amagi

[elder crane]

it's a question of pressuring main vs vanguard mostly

since bombs unload on vanguard at first

And yeah, Jun lead vs dev 30 azuma is a bit....

explody

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't really kill her on the spot but not worth doing unless ws enemy

[elder crane]

damn, three matches in a row I won by a hair with final counter

[crude mortar]

no reset

1 try

[still minnow]

managed to tune my way from not even killing the vanguard and losing the whole fleet to this

which is still a loss but definitely speaks to how much of an improvement tuning gives

[ripe latch]

hiryuu still give +10 , swap her

[elder crane]

lol immortal juneau strikes again

[crude mortar]

no

[elder crane]

his last vanguard alive, lol

[crude mortar]

I kill azuma

20s

did u equip gear

or what

[elder crane]

Okay, match 4 was a steamroll

[still minnow]

fucking ntrprise

[crude mortar]

@elder crane is your azuma naked or what

[elder crane]

dev 24

still 4:0 for me

[crude mortar]

at 20s

20% hp

like red health

[still minnow]

once I fix my frontline I guess I can just let them deal with her ?

[ripe latch]

102

[still minnow]

considering how far I got against a nearly-meta fleet

with this vg

[elder crane]

okay, 4:1 now

[ripe latch]

if u play with hms cv - put juneau

[elder crane]

warkai derped focus hard

and I'm always losing vg fight now pretty much

[still minnow]

gonna swap reno out 4 jeanne

once I get her

[zenith tundra]

are u testing amagi ws hiryuu?

[still minnow]

then lvl the hell outta them

[crude mortar]

I might lvling this

[elder crane]

Ws Amagi Hiryuu vs DJT

[crude mortar]

this thing beat azuma better than cleveland

[elder crane]

massive disadvantage of dev 24 Azuma vs dev 30

still 6:1 right now, as offense
but very close matches

[ripe latch]

hiryuu just strong with amagi , if u kill amagi first - hiryuu not have add eva and easy kill with any bb + yuki , why so hard

[still minnow]

is ryuusei my only option for slow torpedo bomber?

[elder crane]

I wonder if I should nerf my azuma output

[crude mortar]

your azuma die before june

[elder crane]

Warkai is close to sniping Amagi before Jun procs

[crude mortar]

super fast

[elder crane]

okay, 7:2 now

I wonder if he's not running defensive Amagi

Warkai seems to blow her up too easily sometimes

[zenith tundra]

that's ws monarch strat. just kill main fleet before juneau with stalling vg

[elder crane]

I'm quite liking warkai flag, ngl

blow up Amagi
turn around
proc Hiryuu before own

[still minnow]

dont most meta strats involve killing enemy backline and stalling vg?

[elder crane]

or just blow up hiryuu before own

most involve killing everything

vanguard is easier to kill first

[still minnow]

lol alright

[zenith tundra]

well if u go full stall vg with hms backlines u really do no vg dmg

and by stall i mean neptune juneau yukikaze

[ripe latch]

does hms have good ships to make hms torp meme fleet?

[still minnow]

lol no

[elder crane]

damn, too close to tell, not gonna risk it, let's call it a loss since I'd reset anyways

[zenith tundra]

hms has no good vg tbh. neptune is passable as a zombie staller

[still minnow]

I don't think hms has any torpmeme ships at all

nevermind 3 of them

[vague token]

they need to update the giant killers

[elder crane]

Jav isn't terrible at torps

[still minnow]

ythey need to update a lot of things

[vague token]

like york has that crazy fp mod

xD

[still minnow]

update the eva math while they're at it

[vague token]

40% for doing literally anything

shoot torpedo? can proc

[still minnow]

so hms dds arent totally pointless

[vague token]

shoot fake aux? can proc

they just need durability updates

[zenith tundra]

how bad are london torp?

[humble geyser]

in pvp HMS dd do nothing

[ripe latch]

swiftsure 364 torp stat

[vague token]

250?

imagine using torp on london

and not 160 gun

xD

[elder crane]

this is just
sometimes his Amagi does lol no at everything
sometimes she just instantly explodes
what gives?

[humble geyser]

Like you could try to meme with C-class evasion rates but thats not gonna get you far

[vague token]

rng fun times

[elder crane]

11:3 so far

[still minnow]

btw how often does the oath ring pack come available?

[elder crane]

twice a year ish?

anni and one other event

[humble geyser]

its been like 4 events since the last one now

[still minnow]

does that mean it's soon?

[vague token]

the one that is for sure is valentines but that is behind us

[elder crane]

anni is soonish yeah

[still minnow]

gotta get 2 rings wew

[vague token]

anni should be soon yeah

[zenith tundra]

when they add more oath skins which should be soon

[humble geyser]

Mind you the price also went up on it the last time we got iirc

[still minnow]

isn't anni in august?

that's like 4 months

[vague token]

better than valentines

xD

[zenith tundra]

cn anniversary

[still minnow]

we get tha opath pack on cn anni?

[zenith tundra]

they announced some oath skins so should be when we get them

[elder crane]

I'm quite liking 831 Hiryuu for Hiryuu vs Hiryuu endgame

831+beacon = I shoot first

[vague token]

oh i forgot york gets HE damage reduction

except namagi barrages are Normal

=/

so annoying

[elder crane]

12:4 though
vanguard fight here is...

partially Azuma devlv diff
partially low vanguard pressure

[vague token]

what was comp again

[elder crane]

50/50 on offense

Warkai Amagi Hiryuu Jun Azuma ykkz

[vague token]

ah

[elder crane]

tbh
should run Noshiro here over ykkz

ykkz is dying before heal anyways

[still minnow]

strange times that ykkz dies fast

I keep killing ykkz before other vg units

[vague token]

depends on comp

[still minnow]

no idea how or why

but it keeps happening

[vague token]

rng

lul

[sterile bluff]

my yuki also dies fast

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze aa is not high

[whole terrace]

make sure to try warkai + amagi focus on hiryuu, blue. I found it much better

[elder crane]

Azuma just blasts her with +acc and Nagato buff

[still minnow]

o yea the meme lvl aa

hah

[elder crane]

good ole Jun being the 4th ship to sink

mid jun seems to have it's own issues

[still minnow]

wtf

asking about aoth pack isnt offtopic

[ripe latch]

yuki lost 5-15% with fire , so fire exting variable equip

[still minnow]

oath is directly relevant to pvp

who the hell warned me

[vague token]

mid juneau is cursed

[elder crane]

oh right, fire bug patched

[still minnow]

???????????

[elder crane]

that might also be affecting things

[zenith tundra]

juneau becomes a pain when u need her to die. but not fast

[vague token]

enemy team with torp vg but triple bb

[elder crane]

tightrope walking

[vague token]

how to get juneau to not die too fast

but not too slow

xD

[elder crane]

sounds like she eats all torps and procs instantly, or evades everything

[zenith tundra]

u just stack defense on backlines so they cannot die before juneau

[whole terrace]

Juneau lead, with noshiro in vg. I very rarely have issues that way

[vague token]

the problem is if she eats like 2 torps nagato barrage says hi

even with bulge + noshiro

instant wipe

say bye bye to your vg

[elder crane]

that's the "rare issue"

[vague token]

it's not as rare as you'd think

xD

[ripe latch]

noshiro can tank nagato barrage

[elder crane]

Seems fine to me

[vague token]

no she cant

[ripe latch]

try

[elder crane]

she doesn't instantly evaporate from over half HP

that's about as much as she can claim

still eats shit

[vague token]

she takes around 50-60 usually for me

then again off tank has been sinking 2nd lately for me

azuma last ship in mid xD

[elder crane]

Well, my dream is dead

[proper sorrel]

should i start using all my attacks to 0/10 or keep sandbagging until tomorrow reset

[vague token]

what is your goal?

if you want to get aotn you can just push

[elder crane]

Warkai Amagi Hiryuu is probably more consistent
but not enough to matter much

• lower general power level

[proper sorrel]

i want to get as much points as possible

[vague token]

then sandbag until the end of course

xD

[zenith tundra]

points as score or merit?

[proper sorrel]

score

[elder crane]

still ends with ~80% winrate vs Namaryuu
which with dev 24 vs 30 azuma, is pretty much as good as anything gets

max sandbag up until gensui rush is also max merit

diff is you take as many matches in gensui rank as possible for max merit

Let's try with Standard Nagato option instead of Warkai meme

[whole terrace]

80% is decent, though I’m willing to bet monarch would do better than hiryuu

She did for me at least.

[elder crane]

She very much does not

[proper sorrel]

hiryuu is the star of my fleet

[elder crane]

I'll run her later if you want, but Hiryuu is pepega af to deal with

Hiryuu will outdamage even warkai on a proper final counter proc
or can tank focus easily

Even with fairly ideal 3 barrage proc for the win, Monarch can't reach warkai output...

[vague token]

until 457 xD

2k damage from defense lul

on heavy armor

and shoots faaaaast

[zenith tundra]

why use it on monarch tho

[vague token]

i meant on ws

[elder crane]

Not sure why that helps the case for monarch tbh

also per-salvo, triple 381 is no less than 457, 410AP almost there
457 "just" a good deal faster to load

[vague token]

i mean ships dead sooner is less damage taken xD

[whole terrace]

I couldn’t get much value out of hiryuu final counter tbh. For some reason I found monarch’s aux guns and ~13 second reload time more useful since we kept losing the vg fight

[elder crane]

No Azuma?

[whole terrace]

No

[elder crane]

With Azuma, you lose, but barely

so it's okay

that's probably the diff here

even my dev 24 vs a dev 30 azuma only barely loses

And yeah, feels like Namaryuu does about the same here

gotta stop slaccing on my Azuma I suppose

[zenith tundra]

i'm using all general dr on azuma till dev 25 then switch to fdg

[elder crane]

Wam with azuma has more issues though

Monarch just doesn't pull her weight

can't tank
can't damage that well
Hiryuu can either tank, or pull out massive damage in close matches, which is the only time she needs to pull that out

Here, I'll run WAM

what's the aux you want on them?

[zenith tundra]

again monarch never tanks in that comp unless u really need to snipe amagi against namagi ws

[whole terrace]

I got the best results when Warkai and amagi focused Hiryuu, and Monarch was opposite nagato. Monarch did really well in that position, nagato always died before her

[elder crane]

yes, I'm just saying that she can't do that

and neither is her damage all that impressive

gun/aux setups pls

I don't want to see any complaining about this later, if it fails

[whole terrace]

Rudder SG on monarch, beaver sg on Amagi, double sg on warkai. twin 381 on monarch, twin 406 skc on amagi, triple AP gun on warkai

[elder crane]

No HPFCR?

Do you want me to put that on anyone?

[whole terrace]

um HPFCR rudder on warkai then

[elder crane]

warning that HPFCR with 410 AP on warkai hits into rudder proc timing btw, if they mount that