pvp

[elder crane]

Monarch guns are good enough to not run fast guns

Cent actually can reach 457 timing.... with a lot of stacking, from what I hear

[sterile bluff]

hmm

i don't think it's worth it tho, cuz im pretty sure messershit is involved

[vague token]

that.. sounds like a lot of work

[elder crane]

Casa+cats+fleet tech+etc.
apparently she can technically reach 457 timing without having no damage setup

[vague token]

maybe with casa on side fleet

oh ok

[sterile bluff]

hmmm

but without casa

ehhh

[elder crane]

yeah, 100% needs Casa

[sterile bluff]

u can bring queen

queen buffs rld pretty sure

idk if that'll work tho

[elder crane]

Queen buffs Monarch reload too

or Warkai

back to square 1

[sterile bluff]

oh shit yea im stupid

LMAO

too much tea

[elder crane]

other option would be like bataan or something
but then you give up a main fleet slot

so, nah

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/1b46aef2dd7ecbdcf78aa49c1abb10b6

oh hey, i used to use that main

although i did suruga flag

[zenith tundra]

can someone explain why people use ws top?

[elder crane]

I'm using good ole Jun Azuma Yukikaze warkai Amagi Hiryuu

[vague token]

well, technically it's easier to nuke bottom slot

[elder crane]

if CV around, yeah

[vague token]

you can lose projectiles off the top

[sterile bluff]

when u still don't have sword in 2020

[vague token]

especially torp bomb

[zenith tundra]

i don't see a cv

[elder crane]

it's not "lose them" for torp bomb

[zenith tundra]

in amagi ws sururga

[elder crane]

planes just bias slightly downwards

[zenith tundra]

why are people using ws top again?

[elder crane]

well, relative to ship position

[vague token]

i think i saw one of their he guns do 490 damage to taihou lol

[elder crane]

in defense, dunno
making it easier for enemy WS to safely snipe them

I run my warkai flag

[zenith tundra]

i just don't understand why is ws top a thing ever

[vague token]

i used to do that but formi needs mid slot to not die

[elder crane]

Warkai amagi Hiryuu

[sterile bluff]

is there a benefit to ws flag?

[vague token]

no dueling

[elder crane]

can't be sniped

[sterile bluff]

hmm

[zenith tundra]

better amagi in any case flag

[elder crane]

it's a very brainless positioning

[sterile bluff]

why would amagi be better flag? Cuz wanna protect her?

[elder crane]

I run Warkai Amagi Hiryuu in that order, and don't need to reposition vs anything basically

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/28e9681f92de67c89662b1482c2dbe32
oops 118 taihou high rolling xD

[sterile bluff]

are waryuu comps good tho?

[elder crane]

On offense, yes

[sterile bluff]

it can take down namaryuu and namaspite?

[elder crane]

on defense, too consistent, not highrolly enough

easily

[sterile bluff]

oh

nice

what about ws fdg amagi

[elder crane]

no FdG in EN

[sterile bluff]

kurumi intensifies

[vague token]

he needs gun

xD

[keen sparrow]

suruga,amagi,warkai but why belfast

[sterile bluff]

smoke screen?

[keen sparrow]

@vague token how that backline comp when u fight?

[zenith tundra]

if u have nagato u wouldn't use suruga

[keen sparrow]

[sterile bluff]

ahhh shit

stupid event rld reqs

i wonder if there's a meme rld ship in AL

[vague token]

depends on taihou feels

if she high rolls you just crash damage the main to death with the 10% damage amp

sometimes vg catches her ryuusei

xD

it's a fun slow but steady

ill drop it when we get rich though

[zenith tundra]

i had level 112 taihou outdps tosa 118 in 11-4hm mobs

[vague token]

she's the kind of ship ive been waiting for

maybe with enough debuff i can get dd kizuna to live to first proc

and make the enemy even weaker

[elder crane]

yes, Taihou can randomly highroll

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Taihou 3 barrage proc is more than twice the damage of Taihou no proc
might even be closer to 3x than 2x

[vague token]

wait actually lena debuffs core stats right?

oh someone updated kizuna's debuff on wiki

that's neat

they have the separate chances

[elder crane]

defs 3x or higher if you run speed launch setup

so yeah

[vague token]

apparently she has different debuff amounts too

[keen sparrow]

loli helena? yes is debuff core status

[elder crane]

whatever the highest damage you see out of taihou, well, she would do 60-70% of that if she got average roll

[vague token]

i mostly use taihou cause she soaks up amagi's everything

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei spam on mobs is pretty good. i was using ryuusei equipped too. it could just randomly delete bb easily

[vague token]

and still has plane barrage

to soak up aa shots for more crash

[elder crane]

I mean, doesn't any torp-CV do that?

with ryuus

[zenith tundra]

yeah but her barrage actually can just delete stuff in 11-4

those aren't that easily killable

[elder crane]

...again, I'm not seeing anything a torp-CV can't do, really
and they'd do it reliably instead of the 40% on Taihou for Ryuu barrage

[zenith tundra]

and with her barrage she can just kill more of them

[vague token]

just use sara torp barrage jk

[elder crane]

on average she procs just over 1/3 barrages

40%

[vague token]

im not sure if kizuna or lena would be better

hmm

[elder crane]

if you highroll she's amazing
if you lowroll she's shit
on average, she's very good, but not exceptional

[vague token]

kizuna has 100% activation rate, just 12% chance to buff enemy by 4% xD

[elder crane]

And well
as solo-CV with Nagato
I'm not entirely convinced (or not convinced either tbf) she's the best option

[zenith tundra]

if i'm using nagato i'm not using meme stuff like enty

[elder crane]

Enty, Cent, Formi, Ark, the usual shit
I suppose Essex without stacks is a bit, ehh, not sure
Sara might be includable as well if vanguard buff matters

[keen sparrow]

lena will better job do debuff is 50/60% chance? i forget

[elder crane]

Though rather than Sara, Skk is probably just better

[zenith tundra]

formie timings seems awful

ark i'd use kaga or hiryuu if i want torp bomb

[sterile bluff]

who's skk?

[elder crane]

Pretty sure if fighters don't matter, Ark > Kaga/Hiryuu even with Nagato buff

[frail orbit]

Crane eh

[elder crane]

Formi is still 6 TB CV, so

[zenith tundra]

fighters won't mater unless there is aa

[vague token]

[elder crane]

isn't it the other way around
fighters won't matter if there is aa

the ACV loss is a bit annoying though

[zenith tundra]

sorry i meant planes

[sterile bluff]

ACV?

in pvp?

[elder crane]

we're talking PvE if you haven't noticed

[sterile bluff]

there's acv in pvp wut

[elder crane]

otherwise
tosa lol
not hiryuu lol

taihou lol

for PvP obvious choice is Hiryuu third
then you yeet Tosa for Amagi

[sterile bluff]

when u run triple BB in pve

ACV is for nuuubs

[elder crane]

No ACV with 3 IJN BB setup in ch 13?

that's a paddlin'

[sterile bluff]

no

im not meming that hard

i just do triple BB on boss and 3 CV on mob

because why not

[elder crane]

No problem, just run Isuzu and Sandykai

[sterile bluff]

exactly

except

[elder crane]

or do the good ole
"just kill them first lol"

[sterile bluff]

i don't have mic

nor sword

w12 already has so many planes

[zenith tundra]

the new dorm shop ui is actually cool

[sterile bluff]

why is divine marksman not doing any dmg

[elder crane]

is it hitting light armor?

cause it has the old BB AP mods vs light

[sterile bluff]

nah

[zenith tundra]

non retro ws

[sterile bluff]

med or heavy

[elder crane]

oh, nonret

[sterile bluff]

it's only doing like 3k per shell

oh wait

[elder crane]

sounds about right
it's basically just a main gun salvo
well, preret, slightly weaker than one

[sterile bluff]

yea

ok i meant it was hitting light

if it's not light it's basically a 4th mgm

[elder crane]

anyways, it has the old BBAP mods vs light armor

[sterile bluff]

why does AP gotta suck against light

[elder crane]

30%
current is 45%
and current BBAP still does no damage vs light

so yeah

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

meanwhile 457

[sterile bluff]

i mean

[vague token]

65 or w/e

[sterile bluff]

457 isn't AP tho

[elder crane]

55%

it is

[sterile bluff]

it's AP+

[elder crane]

it's AP, not SHS

[sterile bluff]

biggu bren

[vague token]

oh right

[elder crane]

well, SHS is also AP

[vague token]

massa still has her weird values

because what is consistency

[sterile bluff]

SHS is AP? Nani?

[elder crane]

Georgia also has SHS on barrage

but it's not same mods as massa SHS

[sterile bluff]

isn't SHS purple or smth?

idk

[elder crane]

nope

that's SAP

[sterile bluff]

oh pfff

[vague token]

massa shs is take the spaghetti gun on medium/heavy

but do way more light

than all other ap

for reasons

[elder crane]

Georgia SHS on barrage is take Massa SHS
then give +5% to med/heavy

iirc

well, it's to do with irl/wows reasons

[vague token]

i assume that's wows influence there

[zenith tundra]

shs are worse then 457 tho on medium and heavy

[elder crane]

mostly wows tbh

[vague token]

yeah

also shs has no splash

apparently

[elder crane]

isn't georgia barrage have 457 mods on med/heavy?

[vague token]

it has half the splash lul

[elder crane]

yeah, 8 for massa, 10 for Georgia barrage

[vague token]

Why I Can't Hit Anything by Massa

[sterile bluff]

uhh georgia's barrage is 65 135 115

i think 457 has 145 on med

[elder crane]

65/135/115 for Georgia barrage SHS

[vague token]

massa would be neat if she had ws targeting

[zenith tundra]

rip

anyway does good dmg

[vague token]

max range 30% damage boost

[zenith tundra]

but not even own gun mods

[elder crane]

55/145/125 for 457

yeah, worse

Massa is 60/135/115
whoops, remembered it wrong

georgia barrage is SHS + 5% eff on light

[sterile bluff]

457 is actually beastly for med tho

well for heavy too

[vague token]

all ap is for murdering medium

[elder crane]

it sees larger boost for vs heavy

[vague token]

personally i think SAP should have gotten a better light mod

it's only semi

[elder crane]

still has the standard 20% eff diff for med vs heavy on BB guns, but higher base amount means that 20 eff doesn't matter as much

[vague token]

why does it over pen more than AP

[elder crane]

oh, for litt gun?

[vague token]

no

CA

[elder crane]

that's cause litt reasons

yeah, for CA, it's

[vague token]

SAP is 65/125/65

like

[sterile bluff]

I just want an opposite he, where it does more dmg as the armor gets heavier, not smth that's shit against light, good for med but drops off again vs heavy

[vague token]

how is something that is Less ap

overpenning more

on light

????

[elder crane]

SAP should've been significantly worse vs heavy, and balanced between HE and AP for light/med

[vague token]

like, in my head SAP should have like 90/100 maybe

[elder crane]

at least if following wows

[vague token]

or 95/95

or at the very least keeps ignite chance AND piercing

[elder crane]

100/100/60 imo

or maybe higher

110/100/60

[vague token]

id be ok with 100/100 if it had ignite and pierce

otherwise it would have to be higher

[elder crane]

well, problem with higher eff vs light, is base stats diff

Zaragun has CA AP base stats on it, which are much higher than the non-ammo stats CA HE guns get

[vague token]

i mean the Raw dps is lower than roon gun

[elder crane]

even 110% is pushing it I think
that puts it at almost as much light DpS as Sanrui gun, pretty sure?

[vague token]

keeping it around 100 should be ok

it's also pretty frontloaded cause the reload is slow

not good for barrages

also at 110 it would be lower than sanrui

using raw

against light

[elder crane]

yeah, slightly lower

~6% or so

tbh that might be about right

[vague token]

37 raw (no armor) would go to 40.7 or so

sanrui is 44.9

baseline of course

[elder crane]

oh, closer to 10% then, actually seems good to be tbh

[vague token]

it's cause sanrui gun shoots stupid fast

xD

[elder crane]

I think the vs heavy might need to be kicked down further, maybe

so 110/100/55, maybe even 50

[vague token]

surprisingly, it has better anti heavy than azuma in dps before ship stats

by like

1%

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't that be too broken for pve? most is light and medium

[vague token]

24.4 vs 24.08 lul

[elder crane]

it's still worse than HE vs light and AP vs medium by ~10% DpS

each

[zenith tundra]

yeah but i fight mix

[vague token]

i mean that's the point

[zenith tundra]

not 1 type unless boss

[vague token]

you get a generalist gun

it's a very frontloaded, slow reload generalist gun

that's an acceptable niche

[elder crane]

*with absolute dogshit perf vs heavy

just like in WoWS

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

which is clearly what SAP is supposed to be inspired on

[zenith tundra]

i think it would push out of meta the other guns like that tho for mobs outside of bb spawns

[vague token]

which is fine?

[elder crane]

tbh idk

[zenith tundra]

for me it is but seems like that's what they wanted to avoid?

[elder crane]

I think a lot of maps/teams is biased enough in perf vs light or perf vs med that you'd still want HE or AP

[vague token]

let me know when they push side grades for helldiver

then ill believe that

[elder crane]

like, anything < ch 10 is like
all light
and then ch 13 is like all medium
and CA gun in team, usually they have defined role
do they chew up medium armor? do they murder light?

[zenith tundra]

idk i feel like a lot of stuff is just better with an overall gun then specific if bb aren't involved

[vague token]

depends on how much casuals avoid mains i guess?

[elder crane]

idk, if you need vanguard to deal with medium armor, AP will still be the choice
if you need vanguard just to clean out mobs, then HE

[vague token]

i usually just attack w/e 3 star fleets lul

[elder crane]

I usually find that a CA gun slot in a fleet has a fairly defined role

[vague token]

or is baltimore

so

no need

xD

[zenith tundra]

bb aren't in all maps outside of w9-10-11 w12 and 13 doesn't even have that many of them

[vague token]

if you're already w9 and up, having a SAP gun is fine, you had to farm d3 and get lucky

lower chapter players literally wont have one

unless they add it to rerun shop in a year

xD

[zenith tundra]

bad game design tbh

[vague token]

yes

thanks mle

[sterile bluff]

i wish the game had more heavy armor stuff

so BBAP isn't as niche

[vague token]

or..

they could buff armor break

xD

[zenith tundra]

bb ap is niche anyway since burns are too strong

[vague token]

the absolute minimum is armor break should be 50% chance to match burn 50%

[zenith tundra]

unless u one shoot stuff with ap

which doesn't really happen when enemies have 30-40k hp

[charred sable]

Nice skins

[sterile bluff]

ok what does more dps to heavy 457 or mk6 if we count burns

and armor break

and everything

assuming 1 BB

[vague token]

good luck triggering armor break

lul

[sterile bluff]

:/

so I assume mk6 still does more dps?

[vague token]

457 is the worst at triggering armor break cause it shoots less rounds

[zenith tundra]

yeah armor break is such a small overall dps increase that is not worth taking into account

[sterile bluff]

rip

so still mk6 then?

[zenith tundra]

u have to trigger it for once with 20% chance and then hit the same target again to make use of it

[vague token]

it only lasts for like 6s too

should last 15 with refresh

xD

just make it match burning

it wouldnt make it amazing

but would help a lot

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't be a meme then

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

and actually decent

[vague token]

maybe with all these fire synergy ships

they might be making armor break synergy ships soon

and by soon i mean in a year

we got intrepid too

a pattern!

xD

[zenith tundra]

they should improve armor break to either at least 50% chance or 15s duration

[vague token]

with refresh from smaller

[zenith tundra]

or both like fire

[vague token]

it needs to mirror fire

completely

[sterile bluff]

orrrrrr

[zenith tundra]

yeah then it would be good

[sterile bluff]

just make AP do more dmg 🙂

for example 50% to increase dmg delt by 20% due to breaking enemy's armor

[vague token]

i mean, im ok with 8-10%

it doesnt need to be 20

[sterile bluff]

moaar damaj

i like seeing big blue numbers idk why

[zenith tundra]

it does affect all shelling so it's fine for the dmg buff itself

[vague token]

if anything id rather it be 8 still but 4% for non shelling

[zenith tundra]

it's just totally inconsistent and unreliable

i don't understand by what math they decided that armor break needed to be so bad

[vague token]

no math

only dead dreams

[sterile bluff]

since when did yostar do math

[zenith tundra]

maybe they should

[sterile bluff]

we need to start a petition

"let's make AP great again"

and not "let's make AP grey again"

[vague token]

i mean it doesnt need to be super amazing, it just needs to be on par with he without relying on overwhelming stats (457)

plus 457 is a twin anyways so it has less chance of proccing for itself anyways

where is ap quad

xD

[sterile bluff]

i mean

if u wanna mirror he

[zenith tundra]

welp now that 457 exist i doubt they will buff armor break

[sterile bluff]

why not just make an exam copy of mk6 just AP?

[vague token]

uh, there is?

[sterile bluff]

ehhh

ok yeaa true

[vague token]

well not exact

[sterile bluff]

i mean i just realized there's like 1 good AP and 1 good AP+ BB gun in the game

[zenith tundra]

sure

[sterile bluff]

we need better AP guns

[zenith tundra]

littorio gun is ok

[vague token]

litt is fine, frontloaded then you get penalized

well designed

[whole terrace]

@elder crane what equipment and positioning do you use against namaryuu with warkai amagi hiryuu?

warkai always in the centre, right?

[zenith tundra]

it usually best choice against nagato team

only with fdg u don't want ws mid

better snipe nagato over fdg after amagi

[whole terrace]

i see

hiryuu with ryuusei as always?

[zenith tundra]

i haven't really played with it tbh maybe with cuda u can do more dmg overall but idk how u set up hiryuu

blue has to answer the gear part but it plays pretty much like ws amagi fdg

i think that he still uses ryuusei tho since has a very offensive vg so hiryuu can focus on backline damage

[whole terrace]

I'm trying it with hiryuu mid and warkai top to focus the enemy hiryuu at the bottom now, cos it wasn't going well with warkai mid

[zenith tundra]

what vg are u using?

[whole terrace]

jun noshi yuki

[zenith tundra]

u might need azuma for thins tbh

even fdg version heavily relies on azuma vg to be good

[whole terrace]

eh if warkai amagi hiryuu is truly better than wam then it shouldn’t need azuma. wam did excellent against same team

[zenith tundra]

u can just kill easily 1 backline with ws amagi monarch. with hiryuu u trade early dmg for a tank slot

also for hiryuu to reach max potential u need to kill opponent vg

monarch can just barrage whatever opponent vg is alive or not

so yeah azuma killing vg matters a lot more with hiryuu then with monarch

i don't think that 1 team doing better against 1 opponent make it better overall too. some teams suck at dealing with some stuff while others can just breeze trough

[whole terrace]

I’ll test vs namaspite later. That should be enough

The reload disadvantage vs enemy hiryuu feels like a big deal

[zenith tundra]

should use beacon i think

[whole terrace]

actually enemy hiryuu always dies first now with focus so it's fine

[crude mortar]

they should make heavy armor unit with armor break counted as med armor

[zenith tundra]

that's not good for everyone

would make armor break even worse

[vague token]

na, make it make the target count as both

use the superior mod

that way your CAs can shell heavies

and actually do damage

[crude mortar]

normally I wouldn't say this but do you think they gonna do hard coding?

[vague token]

aka giant slayer works

[crude mortar]

potato game with sapagetti code

[vague token]

just make it a custom armor

Heavy (broken)

then hard code all the weapons with a new mod for it

ez

no need to actually do calcs

[crude mortar]

how about rework armor system to pure defense value

[zenith tundra]

there is nothing wrong with the dmg boost for shelling

[vague token]

8% of cl/dd gun on heavy is wrong

xD

[crude mortar]

just rework armor into number value

why is all ship with same armor taking same damage

[vague token]

amazing, my twin 100mm does 10->10.8% now

xD

[crude mortar]

but some ship dont take plane dmg at all

make 0 sense

[zenith tundra]

u don't use normal dd against heavy

[crude mortar]

can dd gun ap do armor break?

[vague token]

no

[crude mortar]

lmao

why dd ap gun exists anyway

[vague token]

i wasnt saying that you use normal dd vs heavy

im saying that armor break is only good for other bbs

the boost is not equal for all shells

[zenith tundra]

8% is 8%

[crude mortar]

increase the duration

30s armor break maybe good

[vague token]

sure, 8% of 10% mod sure is amazing

[zenith tundra]

it's 8% dmg

[vague token]

and?

[zenith tundra]

if u use 10% mod is ur fault

not armor break fault

[vague token]

maybe i would expect more from a team support effect?

xD

[crude mortar]

6s

increase 6s to 30

and it good

increasing flood 10s to 30s

it also good

everything 30s good

[zenith tundra]

it increase the dmg so it works the same for everyone. is up to u to not use guns with shitty mods

[zenith tundra]

is the same as saying i'm using namaryuu but i only put mk6 on everyone and comet mesmer and albacore on hiryuu and pretend is a bad comp

[crude mortar]

30s game now

30s armor break

30s flooding

[zenith tundra]

if they need to nerf the dmg to nothing i'd rather not

[crude mortar]

they need like

big patch

that optimize all ship

and all mechanic

in one patch

[vague token]

i think the problem

is they call it armor break

it does not break armor

the guns with trouble against heavy

still cant penetrate the armor

[zenith tundra]

it's a bad mechanic however u want to call it

[vague token]

i mean, we could change it to crippled rudder or something

reduces their evasion

that would help everyone quite a bit

[zenith tundra]

is it actually better?

would it ever do much in pve

[vague token]

technically more than 8% gun damage

[frail orbit]

Thing is

[vague token]

as the usefulness is better

[zenith tundra]

swiftsure could do that without using shitty ap gun

[frail orbit]

They never think about PVP

Last time they did

Just derp

[vague token]

ultimately, armor break implies helps with things that are bad against armor

but it basically doesnt

it only helps the thing that is already good against armor

[frail orbit]

^

[vague token]

so it's like why is it broken in the first place

xD

[zenith tundra]

if affects more ships but not really better overall. plus as armor break is would be weird for torp and bomb to do more dmg from armor break

[vague token]

not really?

armor saved ships from bombs

illustrious only survived her air raid because of good armor design

they even brought out a like 1.8kg bomb for her

[zenith tundra]

in al shitty system bombs and torp do more dmg on heavy

if it really breaks armor they should do less then

[vague token]

i mean i dont think armor helps with the torps

bulges do

could do 100 to all xD

[zenith tundra]

it's a dumb game after all i don't expect to have specific irl stuff

[vague token]

in which case armor break can magically take the better of two armor mods

xD

[zenith tundra]

seems like a lot of spaghetti code for al standards

[vague token]

na, easiest solution is add new armor tier

no looking up what would be "better"

just make a new one

[zenith tundra]

then u need to add new armor to all modifiers

[vague token]

1 new column per weapon category

thankfully, there are like barely any skills with armor checks

just gotta update the barrages

[zenith tundra]

doesn't everything check for armor?

[vague token]

only barrages and the odd one like baltimore armor break

or kawakaze

most blues and yellows ignore armor for obvious reasons

[zenith tundra]

all barrages would also need new modifiers too for a new armor

[vague token]

honestly it's kinda weird we dont have armor class buffs

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i find weird is that this game works with such bad coding

[vague token]

there's a lot of games that hang on by spaghetti

xD

[crude mortar]

just invent new armor value as numeric number

wtf is heavy med light anyway

[vague token]

lul

that would be like heaaaavy rework

not a spreadsheet update

[crude mortar]

they assuming warspite armor as thick as bismarck?

[zenith tundra]

al 2 maybe

[crude mortar]

when your ww1 battleship as tanky as bismarck in your shipgirl game,you know something is wrong

[zenith tundra]

well bismark was just deleted so whatever

is not like her armor did much to her

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

bismarck's armor didnt really do anything yeah

[crude mortar]

these people just gonna eat -50 or what

[vague token]

she won with better targeting/shelling anyways xD

[upper sparrow]

wow never thought using double cuda make a lot difference than using cuda-ryuusei

[crude mortar]

[upper sparrow]

the damage their deal is..... huge

[crude mortar]

cuda ryuusei

what cv

[upper sparrow]

formi-centy/enty

it seems i doing a big mistake in my life

[crude mortar]

these people sand bagging or just eating -50

[vague token]

-50 probably

[zenith tundra]

or are just behind

@karmic forum thanks for the +1

[karmic forum]

np

I got kiroshima on my list

Just enough points for a +1 provided everything goes well

If not, well I'm already falling behind so I'll just leave it to a good gensui

[zenith tundra]

people are really not bothering with pvp anymore

[vague token]

huh wait, ark royal's swordfish had magnetic systems? (they failed)

[karmic forum]

I kinda lost interest after seeing how many people got screwed by the maint

[vague token]

man we need some magnetic torp bombers

on her barrage

[karmic forum]

2600 seems like a pipe dream

[vague token]

like ark retro xD

[zenith tundra]

there is still aotn rush. easy if u get lucky

[karmic forum]

I'd need a pretty good one

Because I'm 19 +1's away currently

And scores took a hit across the board thanks to maint

[zenith tundra]

how tf am i rank 56 with 18 pts behind

[karmic forum]

Exactly

[vague token]

rng mid season

is fun

cause sp3 xD

[zenith tundra]

only 12 behind cay now wtf

[vague token]

you have 4 more than me

[zenith tundra]

16 behind famine

famine list must look very bad at rank 7

[karmic forum]

Hes probably banking on getting one of us

[zenith tundra]

there are so many sandbaggers names in top 50 now

[karmic forum]

Nows a good time to make a list of all of the sandbaggers

[ionic magnet]

Cay didnt move early no +2 for me

[zenith tundra]

i didn't even notice shimarin in list till he pushed

[crude mortar]

34

what trickery is this

[hot creek]

welcome to sandbagging

[hot creek]

wow didn't realize they added proto shop lol

[shell heron]

same, I saw it just now

4 more DR bps

[inner zenith]

u can finish a bit faster now

:p

[zenith tundra]

not really. it just makes normal pr bps a bit more valuable

like u could pick a 1:30 over 1h research more easily

[hot creek]

this will save me about 1.5 days. This and the event saves me total of like 4 days.

[zenith tundra]

10 bps per month is really nothing overall

[inner zenith]

it was for phoenix

he was almost done

[hot creek]

soon™

[inner zenith]

it's definitely not nothing

[zenith tundra]

1026 -6*10 LOL

if u count possible fate 5 for 248 bps it gets much worse

60/1522=4%

in half year

[hot creek]

every little bit helps

[inner zenith]

it's still not nothing. adds up with everything else

[zenith tundra]

i agree but 4% is still nothing. u can get that with good/bad luck difference

[inner zenith]

but i know what u mean

[hot creek]

especially with my recent string of bad luck

usually have a 1/3 chance of getting a DR from a cube proj but recently its been like 1/10

[zenith tundra]

bad rng

[inner zenith]

i started to focus on rainbow gun

it's painful rng

[zenith tundra]

rushing for aotn rush in jp and then realizing that we had 10 hr maint that fucked all sandbagger and there is a 10 person rush lol

this looks sad

[ripe latch]

[quartz scaffold]

Does Juneau want baguette gun

[zenith tundra]

yes

[coral wren]

Is richelieu even good?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[coral wren]

Ok then...Ill just get her because she is a qt

[zenith tundra]

she seems good in pve vs light armor and can buff saint and jb

so definitely good there

[coral wren]

I want some pve ships as well so i guess it works out.

Is the new gun in the cn/jp event any good?

[zenith tundra]

similar dps to saint louis gun but better pattern

just a bit slower then core data gun

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra i got a comp for you

can you tell me how bad on the meme scale it is

[zenith tundra]

aren't all memes bad just for existing

[granite flame]

yes

the comp is:
Amagi, Sovetskaya, Gangut
Chapayev, Tash, Juneau

I got it off the guy im orbiting on youtube who fought maxed Namagi fdg azuma with it

[zenith tundra]

i don't really see the meme other then trying to make something meta out of a buff

[granite flame]

maybe I should of said how viable is it instead

I thought the word meme was just thrown around for offmeta fleets

[zenith tundra]

idk i have n clue what gangut can even do in pvp

[granite flame]

just a scuffed russian amagi

but my thoughts were scuffed russian amagi + amagi = good for russian comp/able to beat meta

[zenith tundra]

rossyia needs to do a lot of dmg by herself tbh. i don't see gagnut doing that much dmg and i don't know how rossyia even plays in pvp since i never finished leveling her

the vg will be the biggest issue anyway

i would drop 100% chapy for azuma or noshiro/yukikaze for sure

not sure if tashkent can survive long enough to benefit much from gagnut buff but she could work

[karmic forum]

This season is just sandbaggers vs. sandbaggers now

[shell heron]

I don't want to finish my last 2 matches yet

high chance of +9

[hot creek]

same

[karmic forum]

How many refreshes left?

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

I believe 2

[hot creek]

ill be top 1 at 5/10 if I get base score lol

but ill probably have to eat a 9

[empty grove]

This season is hurting me

[karmic forum]

ikr

[empty grove]

I wanna farm & have to last minute everything

[hot creek]

oh wait someone else moved, maybe he's higher than me

[karmic forum]

You're gonna have to eat the +9 eventually though

[empty grove]

I'm 90% sure I will this time

[shell heron]

5 min

[empty grove]

I'm high enough that shit RNG could give me two +9

[shell heron]

move now before I get stalled

[karmic forum]

Theres only a ~20 point difference between r1 and r100 dear lord

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/FNpiY/07d23e8387.png bless RNG

[empty grove]

I don't even think i'll have refreshes

[karmic forum]

Eryuelle ate a +9

[empty grove]

10 people can give me base

So bad

[karmic forum]

I have a chance of ending this dreaded reset with a +1

[shell heron]

I'm safe without a refresh

[empty grove]

I'm gonna end up getting stalled due to waiting

What is rank 1 right now?

Like what score

[karmic forum]

82 I think

[shell heron]

my next list is what's gonna suck

[empty grove]

Wtf is this season

[shell heron]

soon to be 83

from me

[empty grove]

Ok

[karmic forum]

Ayy we made it

[empty grove]

Now to see

[karmic forum]

With 3 resets to spare

Thanks kiroshima for giving me that +1

[empty grove]

Ok I get stalled here then I lose 10

[shell heron]

ehhh, didn't get a top 20 on my next list

[empty grove]

Already missing procs

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

Fuck I hate pvp

52 seconds

[karmic forum]

I hope you don't get stalled kurumi

[empty grove]

no -

Yeah this season is mopped

[karmic forum]

Holy

He did it

[empty grove]

Fuck

What is this gonna do my BP luck

[shell heron]

he didn't eat a +9

[hot creek]

Are you enjoying the adrenaline rush?

[shell heron]

stop being 4 up of me

[hot creek]

Your heart racing

[empty grove]

My right hand has pins & needles

[hot creek]

I know I do

love it and hate it

[karmic forum]

So whos going to be the second one to hit 121 after Agito?

[hot creek]

but in the same situation, if I were to lose the coinflip, I end up with a headache for the the rest of the day

[empty grove]

Has anyone hit 121 yet

[karmic forum]

I don't think so

[empty grove]

I'll be slow

Aint no way i'm putting in effort when i'd be like 130 now

[karmic forum]

Its impossible to hit it in a day

[shell heron]

I expect a +0 next reset

[ebon schooner]

time to rush my attacks now

[shell heron]

or this reset

[ebon schooner]

[empty grove]

Better do dailies & HM before I forget

[karmic forum]

+0 expected result +1 good result

What a season

[hot creek]

more like -1 expected result +0 good result.

[ebon schooner]

why is my score still good enough for top100

i ate so many +8 +9

[empty grove]

People are salty the gamble paid off

[ionic magnet]

i think i just used a refresh after reset

[shell heron]

I hate this season. I like being a little more average

[vague token]

this season has been awful

for me

[ionic magnet]

it lagged for a second kek

[karmic forum]

This season is cursed

[vague token]

sp3 seasons always kill me

[karmic forum]

But it isn't dead which is the annoying part

I would have preferred the maint to get us

So then I can forget about PvP and just farm

[ebon schooner]

this season was going decent for me, until i hit back to back +0 which was annoying

[shell heron]

that would be nice

I want to just farm this event

[empty grove]

The next event drops this gun too

In D1

[shell heron]

D1

[empty grove]

Unless the wiki is wrong

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

D3 drops that new CA HE

[shell heron]

how is that looking.

looks comparative to the sanrui gun

[ebon schooner]

better than pr one?

[empty grove]

From what I glimpsed it looked pretty good

Like similar fire rate but more shots

[shell heron]

slightly longer reload but 2x2 shells

[empty grove]

Not even listed in the CA section yet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656880519509835829/712929127014989854/unknown.png

That's PR HE

[zenith tundra]

i tired it a bit it's more accurate over mle and not much slower

[empty grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/656880519509835829/712928976930340924/unknown.png

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

potentially better then

[zenith tundra]

can't say it was much better it's just that 3x1 sucks since movement can bring u out of firing angles

much easier when u only have to shoot twice

d3 in jp event just sucks so badly. evasion and fp requirements with 1 cvl and 1 cv slots

who is the retard that thought that having fp req is fun with 2 cv slots

[empty grove]

That's the reason Ievelled zeppy

Got pretty annoying

[zenith tundra]

if i only i had her

[empty grove]

Doesn't that new CVL have FP?

[zenith tundra]

sure but is it worth using at level 1

[empty grove]

For 0lb slot maybe

[light crystal]

Putting Albacore on Merit Shop was essentially a nerf, wasn't it?

[zenith tundra]

sure

she just wastes space anyway whatever she is good or not

now we have 3 ships that can waste good stuff slots

[light crystal]

[zenith tundra]

and just for fun also the boss sets up projectiles all across the screen so ur squad of forced dd can just run in all of them

[empty grove]

I manual so it's ok

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather quit then being forced to manual because stupid devs

[empty grove]

I don't like wasting oil

[ebon schooner]

I manual so it's ok

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

if i cannot 1:1 after safe mobs since forced dd and elites doing only vg dmg i'll just farm mle instead. don't use ca anyway

[empty grove]

Is there one in shop?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[empty grove]

Good enough

[zenith tundra]

lucky she has heal but wtf

[empty grove]

Wtf am I seeing

[vague token]

what is going on there

[zenith tundra]

yellow are walls

red zone has cover fire where they shoot at u random (bb like) shoots when u fight inside

[ebon schooner]

can you get rid of those walls

[empty grove]

Forced into red

[ebon schooner]

i assume thats d3?

[zenith tundra]

don't have any safe level yet

[empty grove]

Ohh true

[zenith tundra]

yes

[empty grove]

Safe might drop walls

[ebon schooner]

102-103 d3 not terrible, too bad youre forced to use a shit requirement comp

[empty grove]

I miss the base defence mechanic

[ebon schooner]

[zenith tundra]

it also sucks because enemies do only vg dmg

[empty grove]

That atleast gave more points for annoyance

Wait no backline at all?

[zenith tundra]

so solo dd would be only real choice for easy req but only dd that can tank that is yuki

planes

some random bb shoots from bb production but nothing compared to vg dmg

all human enemies are dd cl and ca

[empty grove]

CA siren is cunt sometimes

The centred mass of purple chunking your HP

[ebon schooner]

thats just her saying hello

[shell heron]

if anything chunks my vg, it's that siren

[empty grove]

CL can but rarely

Usually auto just passes over the beam

[midnight heron]

imagine doing a no dmg challenge in dat

[empty grove]

Easy enough pattern to avoid on manual

[zenith tundra]

on auto is fun looking at vg move all over the place

[empty grove]

My auto experience is seeing a DD try to ram a trash mob

[shell heron]

I had to use a refresh early because my list was actual garbage

not a single person can give me a +1 with 5 matches

oh yea, gensui day

[vague token]

xD

[shell heron]

that happens when you're already r2 last reset with only person above you being Famine

[dreamy blade]

Nobody is moving on Sandy, everyone's busy farming dem French guns lol

Looking like another Gensui to AoTN season

[proper sorrel]

is it just me or that people suddenly started to push

i mean I was able to get a +7 off them so im fine with that

[zenith tundra]

~~ they run out of oil ~~

even on avrora seems like people pushed

[ionic magnet]

cos gensui rush next reset

my list is absolutely dead tho

[zenith tundra]

next reset in 6:20

ur defense is actually strong tbh. i tested till i lost lol. i think my wr was around 70-80%

[proper sorrel]

oh okay

im farming the hell out of these people

[ionic magnet]

you mean helena wfc?

[zenith tundra]

i wanted to test torp memes too but i got chucked on closing app right as my last ship died

yes

[ionic magnet]

oh really thats cool

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws might have even a harder time tbh the few tries i had were even worse then namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

how was the timing on ryuusei+formi stop?

does it hit VG?

not sure cos defense position is a bit different

[zenith tundra]

it does

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't kill vg but suicide dmg is annoying for hiryuu since she final counters earlier

[ionic magnet]

wait what comp did you use

[zenith tundra]

and yukikaze just stalls

namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

wow thats pretty good

[zenith tundra]

i still don't have dev 25 azuma so idk with that but she mostly was surviving

[ionic magnet]

ah thats why

[zenith tundra]

also helena i swear has 80-90% proc chance

[ionic magnet]

but still respectable wr

lol

helena kai when

[zenith tundra]

i think she missed more procs from being dead then the 40%

[ionic magnet]

yea on offense she barely survives at 20s

maybe i should put her at rear VG

[zenith tundra]

i didn't get to try torp vg. i think that would've been interesting to try out

[ionic magnet]

on offense?

well

thats just rng vs rng

[zenith tundra]

as i said yukikaze was really annoying

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

if yukikaze died before final counter it was mostly won

but without nagato barrages it takes forever

[ionic magnet]

yea thats true if im on offense too

thats why i cant replace yukikaze ever

[zenith tundra]

1 time my entire vg died to airstrike but mostly was just juneau with a few times azuma too

[ionic magnet]

im debating if ill use helena or sirius or aurora tbh

but azuma is not affected by the other two so yea

[zenith tundra]

it would've been interesting to try amagi ws fdg against that. i'm curious if centaur can tank enough to survive to airstrike

ws + amagi is not enough to kill

but amagi is rng targeting

[ionic magnet]

probably can still do 1 airstrike

but yea i wanna see too

[zenith tundra]

well unlike amagi fdg barrage has no rng and she can actually tank planes with just hp pool

also not trash aa

[ionic magnet]

mm true

but cent has pretty good eva

so its still a coinflip

[zenith tundra]

well fdg barrage sets fires so eva doesn't work on that

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

plus there is a real chance of killing at 15s before juneau with 457 hpfcr

[ionic magnet]

anyways im happy it can win on def at all

yea

nothing i can do with that

she cant wear armor

[zenith tundra]

too bad i don't have jp stuff in en yet to fully test

and in jp don't find many good comps

[proper sorrel]

true

[ionic magnet]

im gonna stick with this comp for a while then

[coral wren]

anyone happen to have a list of exactly what changes in PvP

like hitpoints, etc.

damage bonus, etc.

[forest lake]

Pins

[coral wren]

ah okay

[forest lake]

Way down

Wait actually just the middle

[coral wren]

this is what you meant?
https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/568923438337753091

[forest lake]

Ye

Not sure if there were any changes

[coral wren]

I want to add it to the wiki, that's why

[forest lake]

But if this is still there then Imma assume it has stayed the same

[ionic magnet]

they datamined those stuff so i doubt anything changed since

[forest lake]

Only thing that changed in pvp was Alba getting added to shop recently anyway

[ionic magnet]

and suruga having enhanced barrage in pvp

[zenith tundra]

it's the pretty petals

they don't exist in pve

[coral wren]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise#Mechanics

lmk if I messed something up

[sour oasis]

The other is to maximise  gain, which involves using a full level 100 fleet to defeat the highest-ranked defense fleet available, which requires significantly more effort.

An old bit still leftover @coral wren (thanks for the update)

[coral wren]

I didn't change any sections other than that one

but I can, and did change that

[sour oasis]

That was fast 👍 @shell heron

[charred sable]

138.6 for Yukkikaze?

[zenith tundra]

idk i tried it a bit but it doesn't really increase her dps significantly

u can use it but is not goona to change much other then lower her aa

[charred sable]

I was thinking is H-Explosive so it would continue to continuing burn right?

[zenith tundra]

dd guns only have 1% chance to burn

[charred sable]

🇫

[meager dawn]

just use that twin 100mm for aa

[charred sable]

Need to figure out what to do with this second shiny gun now

[zenith tundra]

i swap 6 of them around quite a bit

[meager dawn]

you use it on your uss bbs

[zenith tundra]

always use them as aux

nah ca/cl aux

[charred sable]

6... I need to farm a lot this rerun

[meager dawn]

or you can farm it in the new french event

[zenith tundra]

that's low tbh i didn't have more then 1 from og run so i farmed 4 in rerun. now i can farm daily if i ever have oil with war archives

i'd rather farm new ca gun tbh

it's pretty good

[meager dawn]

how good is it

[zenith tundra]

around same base dps as mle but much better pattern

wiki still doesn't have it

[proper sorrel]

isn't it better to just use 120mm?

the blue one

yeah nvm

i forgot ships can move

[zenith tundra]

twin 100 on yukikaze is just for aa padding

if the meta would switch to full bb u can swap it tbh

[crude mortar]

dd had shitty fire power

burn like baby damage

[velvet oracle]

shouldn't the word additional be ommited

then just remove this

[vague token]

to be fair that was ye olden days when exercises were a magical mystery land of how does it work

xD

also wiki doesnt really make pvp friendly adjusts

no crash damage on plane table

=/

[sour oasis]

@shell heron still waiting until 5m before you move? (Are you above 2110 right now?)

[proper sorrel]

what's a good score to have right now?

[shell heron]

Ill move in 3 minutes

[vague token]

oops dropped a match

w/e

bad rng mid season anyways

[sour oasis]

@proper sorrel 2150 if you use all your tickets (Avrora)

[proper sorrel]

oh im in a bad spot then

2042 at 5/10

[karmic forum]

We're probably going to have some early gensui rushers now

[coral wren]

What place do you think you will be in 15?

[shell heron]

Done with my 5

[karmic forum]

Now we pray

For a good gensui

[sour oasis]

Thanks Cay. I just needed you to get +9