pvp

[ripe latch]

usable on pvp yea

[zenith tundra]

they added bis blue gun

[shy hazel]

hm

gem does the accmt hav rn

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra doesn't HE fkover yukikaze

[shy hazel]

so 700

[zenith tundra]

140 dmg doesn't kill a fly

especially in pvp with hp scaling

[granite flame]

what about algerie

her skill amplifies the damage

[keen sparrow]

problem is fixed at 140

if can scale with fp that maybe will gud

my hope ruined coz that fixed 140

🚮

[granite flame]

doesn't seem bad

[zenith tundra]

zeppy 2

with no plane choice

that eff on 3rd slot plane is utter garbage

[granite flame]

whyd they have to do france so dirty

[karmic forum]

Useful for HM reqs

Not much else

[zenith tundra]

i would use her since i don't have zeppy

still her plane eff are good

and fighter torp is good combo

[ionic magnet]

they added taihou to wishing well but not swiftsure

[zenith tundra]

swiftsure is not taihou tier degen

[silent ocean]

thats cause she doesnt have a lewd skin

[zenith tundra]

anyone that gets into en server better rush 5 attempts asap

[inner zenith]

yis

hope that'll make up for my -5 runs

[zenith tundra]

i was rank 5 before maint. if the servers die i would be happy

[elder crane]

Not sure which one I prefer
I think I like the french one over zeppy usually?
extended range is nice
Though, the FP backing it is a bit... well..

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra
Gasc
Riche
Jean
how awful of a meme shelling backline is that

[elder crane]

I suppose good for vanguard support for torpships

Drop Gasc and run Dunkek

might as well go in on preload memes too

[zenith tundra]

like worse then shelling since all mgm +1

[elder crane]

ehh, preload means that's not the issue

in 2 reloads they get off same salvo count as MGM+1, and they have higher MG effs

[zenith tundra]

if u can kill stuff within 2 reloads

[elder crane]

issue is main gun shelling is lol

so very RNG

even in 3 reloads it's 8 salvos to 9, and their higher MG eff more than makes up for it

[zenith tundra]

i would use gascogne tbh at least she can tank

[elder crane]

8 salvos of 160 eff vs 9 of 135 or 140 eff

[karmic forum]

Riche Jean Dunk

[elder crane]

Well, it's meme, might as well go all in

[karmic forum]

Preload everything

[zenith tundra]

go in to lose?

[granite flame]

[elder crane]

its already losing

so might as well meme harder

it's like KMS PvP fleet

[granite flame]

KMS has FDG

france doesnt

[zenith tundra]

that comp shouldn't beat namaryuu like at all

[elder crane]

Zep or Tirp isn't optimal
neither is KMS vanguard options
but then, if you care, just run IJN lol

KMS is literally
sub in ships that are basically strictly better on sub in
and suddenly
wow
you have meta fleet

Same thing here

[sterile bluff]

uhh someone tagged me here, what was it?

[zenith tundra]

idk

[elder crane]

But yeah, Gasc > Dunkek for sure in terms of performance

Dunkek would just be for preload memes

[sterile bluff]

are servers still down?

[zenith tundra]

another 3hrs of planned maint...

[sterile bluff]

ok

[karmic forum]

JP having problems

[elder crane]

in any case
the MGM+1 for preload and gun effs isn't the issue
same salvo count at 2 loads, 8 vs 9 at 3 loads
but
170/160 eff vs 140/135 eff
so yeah, shelling-wise, it's good
problem is they're all shelling-focused ships, which in PvP is

[sterile bluff]

oh no

[elder crane]

stats aren't amazing like FdG
not much gimmicks or support value

those three are what kill their viability

[ripe latch]

cay was right, after main sandbang

[sterile bluff]

fdg doesn't have any support value either

[zenith tundra]

well if u want to be more specific 3 shelling is better since u can set fire to 3 ships in 1 cd but the odds of that happening are low

[elder crane]

Richi+JB might not be terrible tbh

yeah, but

1. higher effs means stronger fires
2. preload means fires right off the bat

so yeah, preload+eff is better than MGM+1 for fires

[coral wren]

Is the server back

[zenith tundra]

i don't feel like early dmg is that important unless u kill before juneau dies

[ripe latch]

jb gun have small acc, double sg or 4 misses

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

Richi+JB is basically gatcha team
basically torpmemes in main fleet form

shelling focus
preload
15% accuracy buff

Don't forget Richi buffs JB accuracy by 15%

[ripe latch]

torp meme better

french torp team

[elder crane]

I mean, they don't have main fleet forced targeting, so early damage means vanguard pressure

why not Richi+JB and torpmemes

[karmic forum]

Thats basically the CM fleet.

[elder crane]

Hiryuu as kicker probably
sounds like potentially cancer defense fleet in how annoying it is?

usually shit
but randomly
ships will explode

[zenith tundra]

idk i feel like a comp with barely any dmg outside of shelling and no real treat to anything will just do nothing to namaryuu

[elder crane]

anyways, preload also means potentially early Jun kill
main issue is just inconsistency

[zenith tundra]

landing shelling on vg is not easy if opponent uses speed

if it doesn't it's trash anyway

[elder crane]

well, you randomly explode shit
probably rely on JB+Richi+Torps vanguard kill into no Nagato barrage into torping their main fleet into Hiryuu hanging on for final straw

that's why I said defense fleet

same with torpmemes

not consistent enough for offense

[coral wren]

fuk I just realized it's a 10 hour maint. gonna lose 5 ticks

[elder crane]

Alternatively
JB+Richi shelling is probably okay once vanguard is dead
so maybe aurora-torpmemes?

[zenith tundra]

i don't feel like it would ever have enough dmg to even kill hiryuu and it's not like hiryuu stalls any meta alone

[karmic forum]

You don't lose anything if maint goes as expected

[elder crane]

Well, you'd need to get in torp launches to blow up their main fleet

[karmic forum]

But looking at JP maint thats very unlikely at this point

[coral wren]

ye

what happened to jp?

[zenith tundra]

2h extended maint and now extra maint

[elder crane]

basically
torpmemes+Richi+JB kills their vanguard in opening salvo
then you torp their main fleet
and then Hiryuu is the kicker to win in end
might be decently annoying on defense?

JP is having extended maint, yeah

if we get in, get ready for maint 2

[coral wren]

hold on

[elder crane]

probably we'll just get extended maint though

[coral wren]

wtf that's about 10 tickets gone

[zenith tundra]

72hr maint inc

[elder crane]

actually, now that I think about it

did I even do my PvP last night, lol

[karmic forum]

F

[coral wren]

well if everyone losts 10 tickets, then it's fair

[elder crane]

nah, just sandbaggers

[zenith tundra]

i have 5 now

rushed all 10 before maint

[coral wren]

Fell asleep earlier and forgot to fukin rush

I made sure to burn my tickets before sleeping

if only I paid attention to this maintenance

[elder crane]

yeah, I think it'd have to be aurora torpmemes, Noshiro Aurora Ibuki probably?

[zenith tundra]

the comp that doesn't work on azuma?

[elder crane]

annoyance is that if you RNG well, it's just like 10 s in, so offense really just loses loading time

[coral wren]

I keep nuking azuma with kitakaze

[elder crane]

Noshiro with Ibuki is actually pretty threatening to Azuma

especially in EN

[coral wren]

she sometimes outdps warspite

[elder crane]

sure, Aurora will explode if Azuma gets off her reload, but the point is that her job should be already done by then

[coral wren]

Yeah kitakaze, ibuki, noshiro torpmeme

I'm actually using yukikaze less and less

[elder crane]

Kitakaze is
Nagato boosted Azuma should delete her on reload, ~12 s in
if she doesn't the team you're facing is shit

[zenith tundra]

idk i might just be the one person in en that never even has a chance of losing against torp even when opponent just delete my juneau

[coral wren]

you just need her to dev 25 to be useful right?

[elder crane]

any squishy CL and not-ykkz DD gets blown up hard by that

dev 20 ish is fine, but squishy

so not fine on defense prolly

[coral wren]

maybe it's just dev 20 azuma that dies to my kitakaze

[elder crane]

also you need rest of team to be able to deal with torpmemes

[coral wren]

It's been consistent with my rush

[inner zenith]

i dont see many torp meme fleets to begin with

[coral wren]

there are some assholes who put juneaue at the very back

[elder crane]

I still think if your kita survives past 15 s reliably vs Nagato-boosted Azuma, the enemy team is just shit

[inner zenith]

ones i do get auto'd away

[elder crane]

low devlv or equip issues

[coral wren]

torp crit can take her out along with 1st slot

Sometimes she dies before June

[elder crane]

tbh if it wasn't for needing to torp main fleet, I'd probably say Noshiro Aurora Azuma for blowing up enemy vanguard
well, at least, non-Azuma vanguard

[coral wren]

I have my def fleet on torp meme

should probably replace it with tanks later to piss off low lvls

btw did they fix Naga bug?

[elder crane]

offense version is probably Noshiro Azuma Ibuki
I'll try that probably at some point

Yes

[coral wren]

I still see no difference

[elder crane]

load times is the most obvious way to check

[coral wren]

shes the same even with bug

[elder crane]

Bug never affected Nagato hersel

[coral wren]

maybe because I'm relying on her burst

[elder crane]

it only removed buff to rest of IJN

Nagato herself has no change

[coral wren]

whoever survives the first torp trade usually gets taken out by her

[elder crane]

oh, you mean Kita?

Nagato buff for Kita doesn't mean much

[coral wren]

Kita and ibuki lowers the hp while Naga barrage finishes them off

noshiro just eats torp

[elder crane]

Kita base stats aren't that high, so the FP is whatever
DD means the reload buff is whatever since abscd isn't affected and is a large part of her cycle if you run the 100 s
accuracy buff is whatever since DD already sky high hit

so yeah
Kita sees very little benefit from Nagato buff, compared to other IJN

[coral wren]

that's why I shoved 2 oxytorps on her

I'd do it for the rest if not for my subs needing extra damage to clear the 75 mission

[elder crane]

Anyways, I'm thinking current meme setup, Richi+JB+Hiryuu+Noshiro+Azuma+Ibuki
any suggestions on that?
Plan on running it on offense a bit just for lolz

[coral wren]

Aren't we getting a French rerun?

[elder crane]

tbh a bit iffy on Ibuki there

yes, but this event is back to back right after

[coral wren]

I burned my cubes like a dumbass by rolling swiftsurne and realizing she's added in permanent pool

idk if I'm gonna make it through french events

[inner zenith]

=f

[coral wren]

didn't even get tosa

[elder crane]

Hiryuu is there since the team is very frontloaded
Can't deal with enemy Hiryuu otherwise? Maybe Warkai is another option

[coral wren]

actually what's your opinion on tosa? Is she worth building?

[elder crane]

If you have Nagato, yes, for PvE

[coral wren]

I really regret not saving enough for her and amagi taking my luck away

Oh welp

[elder crane]

otherwise
probably still worth building for PvE

[coral wren]

I only care about meta pvp ships

[elder crane]

basically, vs medium armor, Nagato+Tosa is franky slightly ridiculous damage output

[zenith tundra]

in en namaryuu meta tosa is not good

[elder crane]

it rivals if not beats Monarch+Georgia

so yeah, quite nice

[coral wren]

oh yeah, I still unironically struggle with HMS fleets

[elder crane]

for PvP lolno

You have better options

[coral wren]

monarch 1 shotting my dds

It was ridiculous

[elder crane]

that's cause you run DDs lol

can't fix that

[coral wren]

I know

[elder crane]

a stiff breeze makes them fold over

well, except ykkz cause nanoda things

[coral wren]

If I get frustrated, I just switch them out

[elder crane]

but yeah, PvE, Nagato+Tosa is probably the best barrage comp vs medium armor

[coral wren]

Really wish they released her on a separate banner instead of mixing with amagi

I didn't even need amagi anymore

[elder crane]

you realize she got full 2% rate, right?

no SSR has had higher than that, only lower

[coral wren]

got 4 amagi, 0 tosa

It's cruel

[elder crane]

Tosa being in own banner doesn't help you here

does mean rerun gives you 1 more chance to get her later ofc

[coral wren]

at least she's the only one with rate up and not sharing with another high priority ssr

[elder crane]

????

isn't that a good thing lol

since you want to hard pull banner anyways

rate is same

2%

being in own banner doesn't maker her rate any higher

[coral wren]

idk if I'll tryhard for tosa rerun if she's only good for pve

hey, I've been constantly lucky with unique banners until now

[elder crane]

have we even had 1 SSR banner like ever lol

pretty sure every event banner is 2 or more

[karmic forum]

Mikasa

[zenith tundra]

ce is dead already. next stop war archives and perma pools

[elder crane]

Ah, Mikasa, that's one

[coral wren]

Got her on 20 cubes

[elder crane]

can't think of any others

[coral wren]

actually I even pulled some warpsite in that amagi/tosa banner

she's probably not gonna get added on wishing well

That's how I got tht ijn sub

[elder crane]

she is

[coral wren]

wait really?

[elder crane]

...after perma addition

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

and not the wishing well right afterwards

that's what always happens

[coral wren]

people begged for a ship to be added

[elder crane]

all archived event ships now in perma are available for wishing well

as long as they aren't newly added

so you can wish for zkk/skk, for example

[coral wren]

taihou

[elder crane]

not Sirius/Dork though

you can wish for Essex, but taihou is too new

[coral wren]

isn't Sirius available right now?

[elder crane]

yes, but she's a new addtion

please read

[coral wren]

I mean there's no point to add her to wishing well if she's available

but people got taihou on wishing well

look at game news

[elder crane]

learn to read

New characters released after 3/19 are not included

that's what they do for all wishing wells

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

newest perma additions are never included

[coral wren]

so she's event limited right

https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1263465262847836167

Azur Lane Official (@AzurLane_EN)

Dear Commanders,

After reading through all your passionate feedbacks, we have decided to add Taihou into the Wishing Well Construction. We hope this would bring you good luck in getting any ships you want.

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well they added taihou because of passionate feedback. Though there's no hope for tosa

I might skip both french events just to save cubes for her

Youll be saving a lot of cubes before another tosa event rerun

Also, are any of the new ships good?
Pvp or pve wise.

[elder crane]

Richi is good for PvE

Jeanne might have some niche uses for PvE

[humble geyser]

PvE wise the French are more viable then like KMS lol

[elder crane]

Bearn has some meme uses like Zeppy

probably overall worse than Zeppy though in that niche

rest are 🚮

With Richi, French are more viable in PvP too lol

as long as you're not stuck on being full one nation

if you are, KMS still better since lol FdG

[humble geyser]

They are meant for PVE due to their manual skills

[elder crane]

I'm going to try out some preload memes

Richi+JB+torpvg

sounds better than KMS at least

Not sure if Richi is all that great in PvE outside of the combo with JB

Wait, wait, I just realized something on Richi's skill 3

[humble geyser]

Yeah first one first

[elder crane]

if you auto the first shots, does that mean you can save the crit for later?

[humble geyser]

Yes

[elder crane]

nice

[humble geyser]

First Manual shot fired gets the 100% crit

She also gives herself 12% more damage with HE main guns

So she’s gonna be viable in PvE even without her sister

[elder crane]

Bleh, that's not enough these days

when everyone can hit as hard as Tirpitz

that's +30% damage

Fricken Kidnown can hit that hard, lol

Well, she's for sure a major upgrade on Dunk

and Dunk is pretty decent in PvE, only issue is she doesn't deal with harder content well

Richi's additional power here should help a lot

I wonder if Richi JB Dunk setup or Richi JB Amagi setup is better for CM

[ripe latch]

taihou pvp , crazy guys

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra @elder crane 119 btw not 140 zzz

Even worse

[ripe latch]

finally zack can build graf

[elder crane]

wow, it deals a total of 110 less damage

such a big deal

[frail orbit]

See

[upper sparrow]

@frail orbit who is that on the backline

[frail orbit]

That's Riche

[vague token]

so how is skill level 10 burn damage

i just woke up xD

[ionic magnet]

fixed 119 dmg

no scaling whatsoever

[vague token]

wat

no fp scaling and no skill level scaling

that is

[ionic magnet]

yea no burn memes for you

[mild spruce]

That’s a bummer

[ionic magnet]

she looks pretty good in pve tho so

[vague token]

ill be using her still

debuff

maybe ill break out kizuna dd

[jovial sedge]

still maintenance?

[ripe latch]

[jovial sedge]

hmm

that means?

[finite valve]

12 min and still no pre download

welp guess 12h maint then

[shell heron]

Its been a good run fellas.

[ionic magnet]

im still hoping..

[inner zenith]

2 hour maint extended

Rip pvp

I should’ve ran it all yesterday )=

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[stable dawn]

RIP didn't rush before maint

[shell heron]

I lost my gamble

[stable dawn]

[vague token]

see, i knew it

system updates, plus that many, = 12 hour+

[stable dawn]

now we just have to see if it'll be a 24-hour maint

[sterile bluff]

sandy flashbacks

[ionic magnet]

maybe it'll be up 10 mins before reset

[shell heron]

Devs don't care for our sandbagging

[ionic magnet]

got my hopes up cos theres already pre download

[stable dawn]

new pvp system when

[vague token]

time to get top 10 like last the first time we got 12 hour maintenance

jk

[azure blaze]

Just when I actually decided to take pvp a bit serious this happens

[stable dawn]

rusher meta confirmed

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

Better than the current top 4 sandbaggers. We're all within 4 points of each other. Refused to eat +9s

[tender creek]

@proper sorrel I hope you did all your attacks

[vague token]

now sandbeggar

[inner zenith]

dont jinx 24 maint pls. QWQ

[ionic magnet]

we eat together we die together

[proper sorrel]

i didn't

and why is en so bad at maintenances

[tender creek]

Neither did I, I had 1 left

[frail orbit]

1 left too zzzz

[shell heron]

What is this? 3rd time extended maintenance screwed us?

[proper sorrel]

i slept on 5/10

[stable dawn]

tbh at this point it should probably be official in the pvp guide that if there's a maint, just rush

[tender creek]

maybe everyone either lost or missed one

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

na, if it's just a normal 8 hour with no system updates

you dont have to

[frail orbit]

Whatever
Just dun care about this season lah

[proper sorrel]

it would be nice if yostar will compensate for our loss in attacks

[frail orbit]

[shell heron]

Implying they care for pvp

[stable dawn]

If the devs cared that much about pvp, we'd have a better pvp system

[proper sorrel]

implying they remember pvp existed in the game

[vague token]

oh they remember

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

and that's it

[tender creek]

Isn’t that where you farm for albacore? 🙂

[ebon schooner]

We have loli bait

[proper sorrel]

not even a good loli

also bearn's beach skin is very cute so im buying it

[ionic magnet]

yea pvp deserves bache not albacore

[ebon schooner]

[blazing scroll]

RIP pvp attempts

[proper sorrel]

i mean i'd be a bit fine if they ended maintenance 10 minutes before pvp attack reset

[blazing scroll]

They should compensate with merrits

[frail orbit]

All when I got 1940ish already meh

Keks

[upper sparrow]

yeah delayed maintenance happen

[proper sorrel]

who tf cares about merits

[upper sparrow]

my propechies come true

[frail orbit]

Before 4 charge taken

[upper sparrow]

[shell heron]

Caring about merits

[upper sparrow]

too bad im actually wait for maintenance and not sleep

smh

[shell heron]

Sitting on 1m

[stable dawn]

hey merits at least can give us free purins

[ebon schooner]

[upper sparrow]

at least already rush my attempt

[proper sorrel]

i mean if they're giving out merits i'll take an extra 500 000 any time

[frail orbit]

What is purin?
A name of food?

[ebon schooner]

There’s a point when you stop caring about Purins

[blazing scroll]

More is better

[proper sorrel]

there is a point where you don't even need to worry about not having merits

[stable dawn]

More is always better

[blazing scroll]

[coral wren]

look at this dude

[ebon schooner]

Nah, I use merits for the cubes

[coral wren]

[half iron]

rip this pvp round

[ripe latch]

f attempts

[half iron]

[blazing scroll]

Honestly I mostly use merits for boxes

[ripe latch]

purple?

[blazing scroll]

Ofc

[stable dawn]

[coral wren]

you even trying fearless ?

[stable dawn]

we all know blue boxes are superior

[proper sorrel]

oh nice we can now listen to all the soundtracks in the game itself

[blazing scroll]

I'm always trying

[stable dawn]

oh boy hige driver on repeat

[coral wren]

https://prnt.sc/sl7wvp

try against this

[coral wren]

[proper sorrel]

the ui is still a little buggy but

[spring fable]

ez every time

[blazing scroll]

That's nice and all but can't beat Murica

[proper sorrel]

but at least i can get myself some eldy lewds

wait i found a even better one

[tender creek]

Oh wow that’s pretty nice

[proper sorrel]

okay all of them are super moe

i want all of them

[tender creek]

too bad it isn’t an actual art gallery where the chibis walk around

[inner zenith]

That would be cool addition

[proper sorrel]

too bad it isn't a 4D interface

[light crystal]

We approaching 12h boys

[coral wren]

it has Georgia and Okla, it's murica too

[light crystal]

One does not simply disrespect the 10h Maint for optimal Sandbagging

[proper sorrel]

so many lolis

[blazing scroll]

That vanguard tho

[proper sorrel]

wouldn't it be better with nagato

[karmic forum]

Oh hey extended maint is here

How are you guys posting screenshots were servers open for a bit?

Oh wait that's JP

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

Honestly I'm not surprised

I'll be back in an hour to see if I can salvage the season then

[coral wren]

I dont know if i used up all my pvp exercises yesterday xD

[karmic forum]

Last time this happened server were up a few minutes after the reset

[empty grove]

On the plus

Now I can focus on farming

[light crystal]

I was third while at 1/10, so I'm good

[karmic forum]

Probably just gensui rush and call it

[light crystal]

I mean, tbh, I will benefit from 12h maint at this rate. If not, still good tho lol

[karmic forum]

I wonder if D maps will be unlocked immediately

[dull elm]

should be since this is rerun not new event

[karmic forum]

Not that it makes a difference I'm probably not going to do SP today even if it were available

[ebon schooner]

[light crystal]

Pretty sure last Amagi Rerun we were forced to do it from the beginning, with cutscenes and all not being auto-skipped.

[shell heron]

Shimarin, you at least did 1 more

It doesn't change much

I can actually get some sleep now

[empty grove]

I accept my fall

Now I can do LB1

[shell heron]

when we were all within 3 points of each other. none of us gave in to +9s

might as well get that predownload in

if it finishes at least 10 minutes early. we win

[ebon schooner]

baited and outsmarted

[shell heron]

I'm in

kinda want to rush now

[proper sorrel]

first time JP got an apologem over 200 :O

at least since i started playing

oh please no

this banner is based on heavy again

[empty grove]

Server is up apparently

[vague token]

it still pops up the server notification xD

[sterile bluff]

holy fuck lessgo

centaur in 60

now just missing oppai loli

what's the best load out for her for pvp?

vf17?

[mild spruce]

you can try KFC

and time her barrage with formi

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

but what gear tho

also no formi

[proper sorrel]

VF-17/VF-17/Ryuusei/PRudder/Aviasion Gasoline @sterile bluff

[past egret]

What’s the best gun for Sovietsky

[sterile bluff]

who's sovietsky?

lol

sovetskaya rossiya?

[proper sorrel]

yes

[sterile bluff]

oh

uhh 457

[ripe latch]

twin 381/406

someone testes other guns

[hot creek]

oh shit server went up. I was napping when pvp alarm went off but I have to download all these files. it doesnt matter though since I went down to 1/10 anyways.

[proper sorrel]

yup

servers up

cheers for pvp

[shell heron]

it's been up

so we win the bet

[proper sorrel]

ah fk 10 minutes left

i wanted others to attack before me

hope i don't run out of time

[karmic forum]

Season sorta saved

[shell heron]

10 min is plenty for 5 attacks

[proper sorrel]

don't underestimate how slow pvp is in amagi

[shell heron]

oh right Amagi

[karmic forum]

Still hoping for a +1

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

Aye won the gamble

[shell heron]

+0 but I didn't eat any +9s

[real notch]

Finally servers back up

[proper sorrel]

i ate 2 +9s

[shell heron]

oh found kirie on my 3rd

nope still +0

[proper sorrel]

today i learned fleets with better synergy wins over overleveled ships

[empty grove]

Holy fuck a lot of people dropped

I'm gonna end up getting a +9

[proper sorrel]

lol

[shell heron]

I pushed all 5

[proper sorrel]

im getting a lot of +9s and im sad

[empty grove]

10 people can give me a base score

[shell heron]

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

just waiting to see where you end this reset

[proper sorrel]

okay i took 3 +9s and 2 +10s

-3 loss imo

[empty grove]

Aye saved

[shell heron]

+0

[empty grove]

I had a +1 on my first match

[shell heron]

I didn't

[karmic forum]

He's +4 now

Didn't get a +1 but only used one refresh so I'll consider this a win

[shell heron]

but last reset I got +3 so that's something

oh this list is actually pretty bad

[karmic forum]

Yeah

[shell heron]

if my r3 doesn't move. it will be a +0 for the reset

[karmic forum]

Too many people are behind

[empty grove]

Wow

[karmic forum]

Gonna be hard to even get a +1 this reset

[empty grove]

Only like top 35 can give me a +1

[karmic forum]

Which is why I said this season is semi saved

[shell heron]

yep, you're +4 on us

[empty grove]

HooLoo was like 8 under me last season

& still got first

Gensui rush OP

[shell heron]

one good gensui rush can turn everything around

not sure how this season will go tho

I predict at least 4 2600 this season

[ionic magnet]

owo

the race continues

[ebon schooner]

[coral wren]

Is this how you use the wishing well

Im assuming you have 100%

no

Oh, well then i assume you are just saving cubes then

Im missing collab ships

that's about it

they're never going to rerun neptunia

[ripe latch]

@coral wren

[coral wren]

kek

[empty grove]

I see a piece of the AL Exodia

[shell heron]

I was hoping Akashi and Yukikaze would be there

[ebon schooner]

wanting akashi

[shell heron]

if I say I got an Akashi collection, does that scare you

I'm on 6

[ebon schooner]

[vague token]

the two ships im missing from build arent in wishing well

so it's useless for me

=/

also just finished ibuki, gonna train her up

[hot creek]

Too late, the era of Azuma is at dawn.

[ebon schooner]

the future is now old man

[vague token]

true, but i want to see how noshiro/ibuki/juneau does

[past egret]

I have an easier time with Azuma Juneau Yuki then I do with Noshiro Ibuki Yuki/Juneau

[proper sorrel]

should i level juneau's anti air mode?

[past egret]

Level all skills of the ships you use for pvp

[proper sorrel]

..

[ripe latch]

juneau aa vs quad hp planes

[celest obsidian]

What guns are worth farming on the iris event, aside from 138.6mm?

[proper sorrel]

138.6

[vague token]

that's it

nothing else lol

[celest obsidian]

Understandable, have a nice day

[cerulean estuary]

game always updating dem

[elder crane]

Don't forget next event (likely) also has the 138

on an easier map to farm to boot

I suppose it does also have the new 203 though, huh?

[past egret]

How good is the new French gun then?

[elder crane]

on paper seems like the no 3 pattern but ever-so-slightly-higher-than-mle DpS afaik

probably nowhere near as impactful as the 138

still, technically your best DpS CA HE gun

longer load time than mle though means some ships prolly still have that as higher DpS, not sure on exactly how the numbers line up

[vague token]

so if you dont need to spam barrage (most CAs) it's fine

i guess?

[elder crane]

I mean, the difference I think is tiny
so maybe even CA with decent barrage still has mle higher total DpS? Again, no idea how the numbers line up exactly

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i usually like using mle since it's fast

[elder crane]

mle also has higher DpS than no 3, by like, what, 7% or so?

just the pattern is arguably worse for PvE
....which is something I don't really think is nearly as much an issue as people say, but whatever

Bremerton at least isn't awkward anymore

[sterile bluff]

yo wtf a datamine says rich has 447 base fp

...

[elder crane]

Yes

[sterile bluff]

nuuuuuuu!

she has more than my pet

[elder crane]

was about to say WS gets FP buff, but lol, so does Richi

[sterile bluff]

yea...

im just praying that her barrage sucks

170 * 8 100 80 60
20 * 30 120 60 60

[vague token]

it's pure utility

no damage

[sterile bluff]

rich's barrage?

[vague token]

yeah, 60 heavy mod

lul

[sterile bluff]

lul

[vague token]

it debuffs enemy attack stats and that's it

[zenith tundra]

her mg should hurt a lot tho

[elder crane]

pattern is 1:2:1

[sterile bluff]

66 acc pfffffffff

[elder crane]

she also gets a crit salvo on demand

who cares

+15% hit stat

[sterile bluff]

75 acc pffffffff

[elder crane]

+staag

+HPFCR

[sterile bluff]

but has more

my pet is still alive

[elder crane]

she ends around 130 hit stat

[zenith tundra]

hpfcr seems like a waste on her

[elder crane]

which is fine enough

[vague token]

she shoots at start

[elder crane]

tbh true

[vague token]

hpfcr doesnt work

[elder crane]

it does

HPFCR on preload main gun ships affects second salvo load time

🍝

[vague token]

wat

[zenith tundra]

wow

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

if it's spaghetti understandable

[sterile bluff]

ok i swear to god ws rlllly needs second retro now

[elder crane]

Anyways, Richi gets preloaded decently strong guns, one crit salvo when you first manual her (can save by using auto until then)
+Fat buffs, which would be good even on herself, but also buffs JB and Sanrui
That's pretty much the new light armor boss destroyer setup
and should be very useful in EX vs not-heavy bosses
and ofc for CM

[sterile bluff]

yea not heavy bosses

key being not heavy bosses

[vague token]

if only sanrui could set things on fire

[elder crane]

well, key for PvP is "not heavy"

also "gun focus"

[vague token]

unless you want debuff

[sterile bluff]

i mean a lot of main ships are med/heavy

[vague token]

just make them weaker than you ;)

[elder crane]

debuff is literally worse version of Amagi's

[vague token]

except stacks

i must have it

16%

[sterile bluff]

i just don't like how she's locked to HE

[elder crane]

anyways, I want to still try out the meme
Richi+JB+Torpmemes

[sterile bluff]

I like AP BBs better

[elder crane]

sounds memey enough for my tastes

[sterile bluff]

or just AP in general

[elder crane]

she doesn't have to run HE still

[sterile bluff]

true

[elder crane]

it's like Atago situation

even with HE buff, AP still better when nearly all med/heavy

[sterile bluff]

ws second retro when

[elder crane]

anyways, blow up their vanguard, torp in their face
then probably Hiryuu last ship for the kicker

or maybe WSret

idk

Otherwise, can't really deal with enemy Hiryuu, probably
and just stall in general is annoying

Vanguard, probably Noshiro Azuma Ibuki?

Though maybe offense better off with Noshiro Azuma Yukikaze

Amagi might also not be a poor last ship
especially since 3 IJN in vanguard in my proposed setup

Sounds really iffy vs Hiryuu though like that

[sterile bluff]

wait hold on

i just realized

rich only gets 2 mgm

[elder crane]

Yes, she has JB setup

[sterile bluff]

ok that makes more sense now

[elder crane]

preload+effs instead of second MGM+1

[sterile bluff]

still alive

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't event put ws and richelieu in a sentence to try and compare them

[sterile bluff]

they have similar fp

that's all that matters

jk tho

[elder crane]

in any case, it's a good trade for PvP situation, just the rest of the package is ehhh
PvE, ehh, situationally better/worse

[sterile bluff]

so she's not good for pve?

[elder crane]

She's really good for PvE

...situationally

[sterile bluff]

oh

[elder crane]

still great in general

[sterile bluff]

light armor bosses?

i assume

[elder crane]

it's basically like JB

[vague token]

light siren hunter easy

nuke their counter damage

[sterile bluff]

well i don't have jb so

[elder crane]

if one of the following three conditions apply, she's pretty good
if two apply, among top
three, amazing

1. Preload matters
2. Vs light armor
3. Manual control

[zenith tundra]

u can just use anything against light armor sirens. they have poor hp

[elder crane]

that's roughly the tl;dr on JB and Richi

[sterile bluff]

who's top three?

lol

[elder crane]

Sometimes still among top, or even amazing, if just preload matters enough

JB can get a second "tick" up on Manual control mattering
Richi, nah

[vague token]

i think ill be doing formi/amagi/rich, za warudo on second shelling

ez instant nuke

cant get rushed down because you've debuffed the enemy team

[sterile bluff]

won't 2 mgm hurt her a lot tho? Even if she has preload

[elder crane]

Not really given PvP timeframes

[vague token]

i mean, on first enemy shelling you have 1 mgm ahead

[sterile bluff]

preload mg gives her 2 extra salvos

[vague token]

cause you did start, then 1 cd another

[elder crane]

2 reloads is same number of salvos, 6 (3x2 or 2x3)
3 reloads is 8 (4x2) to 9 (3x3) salvos, but she also gets higher effs

[sterile bluff]

wait for her preload

does she fire 2 salvos or only 1?

wait hold on

nvm prolly 2

[elder crane]

it's a full reload

[sterile bluff]

yea

[elder crane]

anyways, on top of having basically same or just 1/9 less salvos in relevant timeframe, she also gets 160% eff
instead of the usual 135/140% eff

(RIP the poor ships that get 130% eff, lol)

[sterile bluff]

tbh between like 140 to 160% there's not a huuuuuge difference

a few hundred extra dmg per shell

[elder crane]

???
that's more damage diff than 8 vs 9 salvos lol

[sterile bluff]

ok yea true

[zenith tundra]

idk i have a feeling she will be just a meme in pvp like jb is. she doesn't do much more and no broken crits either

[sterile bluff]

also bad barrage

[elder crane]

more damage diff than the +15% FP buff

well, yeah

[vague token]

also she does 18% with he

so

[sterile bluff]

and she's locked to flag

[elder crane]

in any case, [the preload gimmick is] a good trade for PvP situation, just the rest of the package is ehhh

[sterile bluff]

i mean tbh the rest of the package looks good

the buffs and stuff

[elder crane]

not good enough for PvP

[sterile bluff]

what's good enuf then lmao

[elder crane]

nowhere near good enough
maybe if Frenchies had a bunch of ships worth using

[sterile bluff]

increase dmg by 100%?

[zenith tundra]

jb gets 60% dmg on 1st volley and another 30% dmg from crit

[elder crane]

Barrage damage isn't relevant
stat debuff is both weaker than Amagi's, doesn't reliably apply, and doesn't affect vanguard
buff is quite strong, but the ships that can receive it aren't originally viable (compare IJN, where Amagi, Hiryuu, Azuma, Yukikaze, Noshiro, Ibuki are viable ships even without any IJN synergy)

all she has is basically fairly strong guns + preload gimmick

[zenith tundra]

do the small projectiles set fire? they are he

[sterile bluff]

not sure

i mean

tbf

all fdg has is "fairly strong guns + tankiness" it's not like she has synergies either

[vague token]

it's reliable, 25% to not use barrage?

8 shells?

not counting a billion he pellets

[sterile bluff]

75% barrage proc chance

[elder crane]

FdG has insane guns, solid barrage, and is literally tankiest ship in normal sense

it's 2:4:2 pattern it seems

[sterile bluff]

and why would u categorize fdg as "insane" guns and rich as "fairly strong" guns

[elder crane]

I roughly estimated 75/90/75% to have debuff active for enemy ships when barrage procs

[sterile bluff]

just curious

[zenith tundra]

fdg does same dmg with 1 more main gun mount

[elder crane]

*higher damage per salvo

and runs 457 without loss on skill damage boost

[sterile bluff]

well ws also does higher dmg per salvo, would u say she has "insane" guns then?

and more likely to hit with high af reload

[elder crane]

No, ws hits less hard than FdG

much less so

main thing is she's reliable

[sterile bluff]

ehhh

[elder crane]

due to barrage modifying targeting

[sterile bluff]

fdg just has the damage cycle skill over ws

much less hit and reload

[elder crane]

160% eff

[sterile bluff]

and luck

[elder crane]

did you miss that

[sterile bluff]

nope

but her main thing is the broken dmg booster skill

[keen sparrow]

i just wake up n read 119 fixed burn dmg

more worse

[elder crane]

ws is 140% eff
FdG has 160% eff
and the damage cycle skill is insanely strong
the +20% damage is the weaker one

[sterile bluff]

but u have to factor in hitrate

[elder crane]

she also gets +20%/10% FP

[sterile bluff]

and ws's -5 spread

[zenith tundra]

fdg bonuses are 20% dmg on 1 cycle and 20% dmg on the other. overall is 20% bonus so very close to the 18% rich gets but also has a 3rd mgm

[elder crane]

in any case, WS guns are probably classifiable as near-insane
just not quite on level of FdG
what she brings is extremely potent targeted barrage, + reliability due to targeting gimmick and hit stat

[vague token]

ws gets the spread reduction

as well

so more of your salvo hits reliably

[sterile bluff]

like obviously damage wise fdg beats ws

[vague token]

fdg kinda sprays default

[zenith tundra]

doesn't really matter with 457 tbh

[sterile bluff]

but im saying no matter how strong u r it's meaningless if u don't hit

[vague token]

i mean it does in a world that only phoenixf has 457

;)

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's why WS is good

cause targeting gimmick

[sterile bluff]

but like

[elder crane]

no other way of having reliable main guns

[zenith tundra]

most people don't even have dev 30 fdg anyways

[vague token]

well, there's 1 other way

[sterile bluff]

a lot of the times she isn't used with other HMS ships and it's just herself

[vague token]

formidable

xD

[sterile bluff]

lmao

[vague token]

the literally only other way

no cc vanguards outside of white heart >_>

[elder crane]

So what
just needs to target for self

Anyways
no ship is strong just due to strong main guns
richi's guns aren't even the strongest

[sterile bluff]

i feel like ws's main strengths in pvp r her first barrage boost and gun edps which factors in hitrate

[elder crane]

and she brings nothing else to the table really

Like, compare to WSkai or FdG, I don't care

Richi guns are worse

[sterile bluff]

i wonder what would happen in pve tho

[keen sparrow]

warkai + 457 is can wipe all

[vague token]

the only good thing about richi guns is her barrage is tied to gun speed xD

[elder crane]

too bad barrage is

[vague token]

i mean, gotta keep my debuff time

[zenith tundra]

sure but ws solo won't win alone

[elder crane]

it's like Dunk on that

[keen sparrow]

bad barrage dmg, bad burn dmg

gg richi

nice troll skill

[elder crane]

In any case
the only way I can see Richi approaching top options is if you really lean on the preload gimmick

[vague token]

amagi/rich will push fp into a negative %

[zenith tundra]

if the burn dmg wasn't a meme she would be ok

[vague token]

well and torp/avi too

[elder crane]

with both Richi and JB firing, something has to hit vanguard, right?

[keen sparrow]

yes

but the dmg is lmao

[sterile bluff]

i guess im just salty that rich has more fp than ws

ws needs more fp

[vague token]

i mean she's 2 under fdg baseline

[elder crane]

idk why you even care lol

[sterile bluff]

because

I am a gaymer

[elder crane]

highest FP stat is higher than both

cause lol who cares about base stats

[sterile bluff]

me?

[vague token]

the weirder thing is she has 293 aa

xD

[elder crane]

lol who cares about base stats

[sterile bluff]

me?

[vague token]

like bb with 300+ aa is weird

[elder crane]

Richi got modernized AA

[vague token]

with that kit

[elder crane]

who?

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

USN modernized Richi's AA suite

she got the full USN BB treatment

[vague token]

also base evasion is quite nice

surprisingly

[sterile bluff]

idk why u wouldn't care about stats when that's literally what defines a ship

[vague token]

amagi tier evasion base

[elder crane]

except that isn't lol

lol who cares about base stats

[zenith tundra]

everything about her is ok but the meme burn

[vague token]

base stats only define some ships

xD

[sterile bluff]

im talking stats in general

like after her boosts and all

[elder crane]

base stats define no particularly relevant ships

after her boosts, Warkai and JB are nowhere near top FP

[sterile bluff]

???

[elder crane]

*let me clarify on that

[zenith tundra]

i cannot think of 1 ship that just is meta pvp by stats alone

[elder crane]

base stats define no particularly relevant ships
By that I mean any ship that would be remotely interesting if you took away their skills

[vague token]

i mean fdg is

enhance base hp function

[elder crane]

FdG without skills is 🚮

[sterile bluff]

not rly

[elder crane]

easily

[vague token]

enhance gun shoot skill

she's literally a walking stat stick

no team play

[elder crane]

Still 🚮

[vague token]

no anti rng

[sterile bluff]

at least in pve ws is also strong cuz of her stats

[vague token]

she's about as brute force as it gets

[elder crane]

without her skills, she probably doesn't even make it into top 10 shellers

[vague token]

i mean 160*3 is still good

[elder crane]

and all the healing BBs out eHP her

[sterile bluff]

ok if u took away all the skills then sure

but that's a bit extreme

[zenith tundra]

20% dmg bonus on mg from skill is not something to underestimate and without dr her overall ehp is not even best

[elder crane]

all the best shellers are 140% eff + ~20% boost, or equivalent/higher

[sterile bluff]

and those are??

[elder crane]

Warkai, Tirp, KGV, Kidnown, etc.

[sterile bluff]

in pvp?

or pve

or in general

[elder crane]

there's no ships good in PvP based off shelling alone

also no point in doing such tight generalizations in PvP

too few ships to matter

[sterile bluff]

so i assume u were talking about pve

[elder crane]

only good shelling ships are warkai and FdG, so just name them

[sterile bluff]

but ws doesn't get + ~20% boost

if u r talking about dmg boost

[elder crane]

+15% FP, -spread

[sterile bluff]

so does rich

ws is out fp ed

but hey ws is rly accurate

that helps a lot

[elder crane]

Her 100 mm guns were retained, but her light anti-aircraft battery now consisted of fifty-six 40 mm (1.6 in) Bofors guns in quadruple mounts, all placed with their own Mk 51 gun director. These were arranged with two abreast the superfiring turret, two on either side of the forward tower, another two per side of the aft tower, and the remaining four on the quarterdeck, where the aircraft catapults had been. These guns were supplemented with fifty 20 mm (0.79 in) Oerlikon cannons, all in individual or twin mounts. Nine were placed on the forecastle aft of the breakwater, four were mounted on the superfiring turret, nine were placed on the former aircraft hangar, with the rest dispersed around the superstructure, including on the towers and the shelter deck.[39]

anyways, here's why Richi has high AA

[vague token]

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

USN went full ham with an AA refit

I suppose she doesn't get the full 400 since she didn't get the 127 DP mounts

still, quite respectable AA

[vague token]

i mean that's really high aa relative to her kit

is all

[sterile bluff]

tbh i just hope ws isn't powercrept in pve

[vague token]

so... monarch?

xD

[sterile bluff]

what

what does monarch have to do with ws

[proper sorrel]

how can ws be powercrept

[elder crane]

Since when is side monarch generally good in PvE?

[sterile bluff]

lol

wait

i know

u know those bosses in ch10?

like the 2 that sticks to top and bottom?

off flag monarch could be useful buuuuuuuut they r light

[vague token]

i just use double cv + dork nowadays

[elder crane]

[sterile bluff]

in my experience tho ws still does more dmg than monarch in pve even tho she's not retrofitted

[zenith tundra]

nagato tosa taihou sounds fun on bosses for me

[elder crane]

you realize 10-1 is two DDs as boss

and Monarch fires BBAP out of barrage

[sterile bluff]

lmao yea

it's just a meme

off flag hood and monarch for 10-1 boss

[elder crane]

Nagato Amagi Tosa

[sterile bluff]

don't have nagatoot

[zenith tundra]

amagi just misses too much off flag

[elder crane]

Also
I'm almost certain there's better solo CV choice than Taihou even with Nagato buff

[zenith tundra]

who would u pick solo?

[elder crane]

Well, occasionally there's relevant stuff to focus down on side

e.g. command ship vs taihou

usual culprits

Enty, Cent, etc.

[sterile bluff]

how can ws be powercrept
fdg powercrept her in pve, and every other ship

[zenith tundra]

rather not

[vague token]

sara

[sterile bluff]

doko miteru no, kochi da yo

[zenith tundra]

cent should do anything really for 2 barrage bb

enty i'd rather use taihou

[elder crane]

she drifts back into sync after a while

[sterile bluff]

i just realized it's hard to sync centaur with BBs...

i was a bit too excited at first

[elder crane]

Taihou is
you need 2/3 barrages to proc for her to perform on level of top tier options

but 40% each

[sterile bluff]

wasn't the "most tested" boss fleet ws monarch centy?

[elder crane]

so more often than not,

[sterile bluff]

like how tf do u sync that

[elder crane]

20 s guns

[sterile bluff]

what if ws has 457