pvp

[crude mortar]

isn't it

[vague token]

like 100 t1 bps for t2 or w/e rate

etc

[zenith tundra]

let's just say u leave them there to have some bad stuff. u still good stuff because rn the only good thing to get are cubes

[vague token]

(overpriced cubes)

xD

[zenith tundra]

even purins aren't that valuable once u hit endgame

[crude mortar]

THIS?

what tke fk are these

steel?

we kancolle now?

CRAFT

457

XAXAAXXA

[zenith tundra]

seem like mats maybe obtainable trough dismantle or maybe farm

[vague token]

that's for normal gear, i doubt pr gear uses that

especially since so many have no analogue

[crude mortar]

rainbow

torp

[vague token]

or lower tier version

[crude mortar]

cuz its same item with different rarity

the 5 torp

[vague token]

like if they add 457 gold/purple/blue

[zenith tundra]

depends what u mean by normal gear. if it has good stuff in it ok but anything from usual boxes outside of quad mag is so pointless

[vague token]

would work

[crude mortar]

quint mag

[vague token]

i mean normal like crafting purple sg to gold

[crude mortar]

into rainbow quit

its like that

[vague token]

or purple 127 to gold

etc

[crude mortar]

actually now

[vague token]

the obvious stuff

[crude mortar]

*no

it tranform into diferent shit

[humble geyser]

OH
purple 136.8 to gold pls

[zenith tundra]

then it's pointless when u have 500 gold boxes laying around because they are useless

[crude mortar]

I need

gold gangut gun

[vague token]

i mean maybe we can just convert boxes to raw materials directly

xD

[zenith tundra]

i said it already. the whole system depends what they make available

[karmic forum]

Does anyone have the translated CN/JP patch notes?

[zenith tundra]

it will help only new players otherwise and be completely useless for old ones

[crude mortar]

wtf are these

[zenith tundra]

alec has patch notes for jp/cn servers in english

[celest obsidian]

more grind

[karmic forum]

Dang, time to rejoin alec for a few minutes

[crude mortar]

are these system live in cn server tomorrow?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[crude mortar]

zzz

[zenith tundra]

not even added next maint

[ebon schooner]

alec

lul

[crude mortar]

who is alec

[zenith tundra]

azur lane english community discord server

there is a discord link in welcome to it

[crude mortar]

unofficial?

[humble geyser]

@crude mortar thats the guild raid

[crude mortar]

oh guild raid

[zenith tundra]

it's for jp/cn servers made by players

[humble geyser]

You can tell by the xx/20000

[crude mortar]

time to join

some hardcore guild

and chill

[humble geyser]

that 20000 is the ASW number your guild has to get up to

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

early day I play the game

:I cant have enough bullin for enterprise

6 months later:

its like real life currency

inflatation

they cant sell anything with oil/coin currency

cuz old player had million coin

if they add thing to coin shop old player just spam buying it

or stamp

the goal for new player is reaching lv70 commander and chill

[vague token]

there's an easy solution to that, new currency

xD

[crude mortar]

crypto azurlane currency

they adding equipment upgrade system

and what

old player had like 10k purple box?

they can get every fking thing they want regardless of the amount of number of item requirement

the game is about suffering new player

[celest obsidian]

[crude mortar]

my friend who play since first day shown me

he had 3000 of each gold box

[zenith tundra]

that sounds like buying them for flexing

[crude mortar]

and he only had

[vague token]

that sounds like whale power

[crude mortar]

1 lv120

enterprise

[karmic forum]

The hecc is that radar thing?

[crude mortar]

and whole fleet lv 100

and lv50 nagato and shit

casual player

[zenith tundra]

u can get a free sos mission with it

[crude mortar]

I never do sos mission in my life

[karmic forum]

Huh

[crude mortar]

did I do something wrong?

[karmic forum]

I guess EN never got that

[celest obsidian]

There are sos missions, they're just useless

[zenith tundra]

pure casual player: never spend any oil since u never play, use all oil at all times on 10h commission, too much gold what to spend it on-> useless boxes

[celest obsidian]

Drop the same that 4th map of the chapter + sub equip

[karmic forum]

The only time where you login for an extended period of time is at the start of events.

[crude mortar]

yes

hes pure casual

[golden fable]

[crude mortar]

he ask me how do I clear microleyer?

[golden fable]

Reminder that this club is for pvp talk.

[crude mortar]

I show him full 120 fleet

he ask me

who?

*how?

[karmic forum]

Do casual players even do PvP?

[crude mortar]

no

they commission and event

[karmic forum]

I mean they might because theres a daily mission for it

But maybe I'm overestimating them

[vague token]

the exp reward for low level is too low since you get 50% for loss

and it scales to the average level of defense

no reason for new to do much pvp outside of the freebies

[karmic forum]

Casuals don't care about exp

[vague token]

fight full 120 fleet for defeat exp

xD

[zenith tundra]

people that play consistently don't really bother aiming for top 10 rank let alone casuals

that's why it works better for them to just release skins then improving gameplay

most people don't even actually play the game just buy skins

so why would they bother with pvp?

[marsh bane]

not playing the game

[vague token]

i mean why does anyone bother with pvp

[marsh bane]

top 1

[vague token]

a lot of games just give away higher tier currencies

for pvp

but they know you whale to hit those higher ranks

[zenith tundra]

~~ everything else is somehow more boring to play within al ~~

[vague token]

thankfully we dont have gem gear/ships

so we can avoid that

xD

[zenith tundra]

pve has no diversity other then timing adjusting

[crude mortar]

make it touhou level difficulity

[karmic forum]

PvP is one of the few times where you actually have to look at the screen

[zenith tundra]

do u even do that? i look at opponent comp alone and maybe the fight if i don't do anything else

[vague token]

i dont run meta so

i gotta watch

xD

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

/then get distracted by another game

[crude mortar]

+0

d

[vague token]

warspite/taihou/formidable hasnt been doing too great, but amagi/taihou/formidable has been doing much better

[karmic forum]

I suppose you don't have to unless its a meta fleet

[zenith tundra]

how?

[vague token]

how what

[zenith tundra]

how is amagi doing better?

[crude mortar]

how is amagi doing better than warspite

[vague token]

i havent been able to force FC or defense amagi sinking with double cuda + warspite

so i swapped it to slow but steady

it might work with 457

but 410 and the spaghetti gun havent cut it

[crude mortar]

I sink enemy amagi on first salvo if it not miss/hard plate

[vague token]

amagi (she's on armor/sg) basically converts the double cv into a 0 rng stall fleet

since cuda crash dont miss

i think is why

[zenith tundra]

if not miss means it's even more rng

[karmic forum]

Why aren't you using staag?

[crude mortar]

full retard mode

cant you see its a meme

fast rush

it doesn't miss alot

even first barrage miss

[vague token]

id rather use hsfcr over black shell

[crude mortar]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

the only meme i like is a dead one

[crude mortar]

I would like to

[vague token]

peco died before i did

my memes will never die

[sterile bluff]

I am a meme

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

if it all hit

it hit so ahrd

[sterile bluff]

"if it hits it hits hard"

fdg philosophy in a nutshell

[crude mortar]

if it all hit

it hit so hard

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[vague token]

lul

[crude mortar]

itveryhard

[sterile bluff]

why not go full meme and put hyuuga

more fp

[crude mortar]

if you want true meme

you know ranger?

[zenith tundra]

if u have fun with that doesn't matter what u run

[crude mortar]

^

im trying my best to enjoy the game

[sterile bluff]

i can't enjoy this game...

until i get centaur tmr

[karmic forum]

Fair enough, time to use Helena + Ranger next season

[sterile bluff]

[crude mortar]

someday one poor soul get x5 ranger proc with helena proc with balt sirius buff

some day

[zenith tundra]

by some day u mean never

[crude mortar]

its like rolling ssr gacha in fate

except its being attacked

[karmic forum]

You can just reset until you get it.

[crude mortar]

dont forget to record the vid

[karmic forum]

Will be a terrible waste of time

But its possible

[crude mortar]

life is also a waste if you aren't enjoy living isn't it

[zenith tundra]

u know what i enjoy? not wasting time in al pvp when is not needed

[crude mortar]

should I centaur+u81 tomorrow?

[zenith tundra]

[crude mortar]

wishing well

[zenith tundra]

ah

u81 is useless for pvp

don't bother

[vague token]

hmm, maybe pvp with bans would be neat

[crude mortar]

CAN I WISHING WELL TAIHOU?

?!?!?

[golden fable]

No.

[vague token]

[crude mortar]

I NEED TO BUILD HEAVY CV FLEET

and make meme heavy cv x3 delete azuma like that guy

video

[vague token]

the thing is only 2 heavy cvs are usable

victorious is super bad

lusty is a meme

[sterile bluff]

intensifies

[vague token]

just use two

[crude mortar]

two and cent?

[sterile bluff]

probably

[vague token]

or a bb

whatever you want

[sterile bluff]

is cent light or med?

[vague token]

cent is med

[crude mortar]

but cent is squishy af

[sterile bluff]

cuz she ain't thicc enuf smh

[zenith tundra]

she has good hp and evasion is just that that isn't enough

[sterile bluff]

does centy do dmg tho

or is she more support like formi

[zenith tundra]

no defense skill

[vague token]

formi cant tank ws focus either

her base hp is too low

[sterile bluff]

besides hiryuu who can?

[vague token]

if she was around 7k she could do it

[crude mortar]

did she had

224 loadout

[zenith tundra]

no cv can actually tank. hiryuu only does because of skill

[sterile bluff]

exactly

[vague token]

i mean formi with 7k would be able to do it xD

[crude mortar]

4 berracuda

[vague token]

if only taihou skill wasnt he only

but she can tank the amagi follow up

so she is actually ok

[crude mortar]

add more aux slot plz

need 3

2 not enough

gonna fire suppressor

[zenith tundra]

isn't 45 better?

[crude mortar]

all ship

[zenith tundra]

remove aa guns for extra aux slot

[vague token]

hopefully they give us more music boilers

[zenith tundra]

that means more collab events

[vague token]

i mean they could give us one for each normal event

cough amagi boss theme

put that on a vanguard

fun times

[ebon schooner]

Music boilers

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

give us a rainbow rarity one for dem fleet power

xD

extra dangerous looking defense

[frail orbit]

Anyway fok

6th dorm slot gonna drains me how much . . .

Dahm

[zenith tundra]

only 103680 food per day. considering an increase of 2 per 15s like last 2 slots upgrades

a 12.5% increase in food used

rip

[crude mortar]

they announce 6th dorm?

[vague token]

it's in notes

[crude mortar]

where note

[vague token]

part 2

[zenith tundra]

#game-news

idk if i want to rush or not to 0 this maint.... even with my bad score i would end up 20pts ahead of current 1st

[vague token]

too risky not too, lots of system updates on 10 hour

xD

[zenith tundra]

the reward is not worth the risk but is still don't feel like rushing. last time was a total bust

[crude mortar]

im so sure it 12 hour maint

it doesn't matter how well they code

if they didn't code perfect

after 10 hour they start the server

then it gonna buggy again

10000000%

[zenith tundra]

2 changes are like changing some numbers. proto core shop is so simple tbh

[crude mortar]

last time its login?

last time its about login problem

[zenith tundra]

by last time i mean a week ago

[vague token]

the apple login one is more concerning

xD

[empty grove]

That 10 hour maintenance

Is it another PVP rip

[hot creek]

im spooked ngl

[zenith tundra]

u won't rush?

[hot creek]

I will probably rush the minimum I have to to be top 1 before reset

You know the funny thing is, I did that last time. But nope 48 hour maintenance screwed me over

and those luckers who RNG'd into the server got ahead of me

[zenith tundra]

is apple login just another way of binding? or people actually have to use that now

[empty grove]

IOS

[humble geyser]

Another way of binding

[shell heron]

I thought I got a +2 this reset. Then noticed I didn't even do my first match

[coral wren]

does the 100% eva of Enty lucky e still affect her planes ?

[crisp niche]

how many points difference is +1 anyways?

[shell heron]

right now

35

[crisp niche]

does it change with lower ranks?

[shell heron]

yes, the threshold value is not knows

so we're working on a project to find it

[crisp niche]

k thanks

[shell heron]

it is confirmed to be lower

[vague token]

formi and taihou taking mvp depending on who is sniped xD

[crude mortar]

IS THIS LOST?

[vague token]

no bonus id say

[crude mortar]

this motherfker move from 800 to 500 and stop

[karmic forum]

Most likely reason is that he went down to 3/10 or 2/10 before reset and is just using his remaining runs to get to 5/10

[crude mortar]

you know

some cuck actually save 2 ticket and do last 2 min

[karmic forum]

That guy doesn't seem like a sandbagger and only sandbaggers seem to do it.

[light crystal]

10h maint, sounds dangerous to sandbag around 🤔

[karmic forum]

Was hoping I could reroll into a sandbagger that will be going down to 0/10 but no luck

[ionic magnet]

good no -1

was sweating hard cos i got no more refresh lol

[crude mortar]

r u afraid of torp meme namagi

[shell heron]

I'm forced to refresh a new list end of every reset

get people 50 ranks below me

[ionic magnet]

r u afraid of torp meme namagi
@crude mortar i meant refreshing my list to avoid -1

[crude mortar]

oh

[ionic magnet]

but yea torp meme namagis are scary

[crude mortar]

last 5min and ibuki decided to ruin your carreer

[karmic forum]

HooLoo are you going down to 0/10?

[ionic magnet]

well theyre scary in a sense that no other def fleet are a threat nowadays

no way

0/10 are for casuals

[karmic forum]

Honestly I'd prefer to get a list of people rank below me

Anytime I get someone ranked above they tend to not move at all

[ebon schooner]

Back to back reset of +0

[crude mortar]

they 5/10 top list

[shell heron]

other than famine and trumps's dev30 azuma

[ebon schooner]

[shell heron]

besides that, torp meme is a slightly bigger threat than every other comp

[karmic forum]

If I get screwed by the maint then I get screwed

[shell heron]

We came this far to sandbag. Gonna push to the end

[ionic magnet]

same

[karmic forum]

Already probably too low for 2600 though

Banking on a godlike gensui

[ionic magnet]

if you look at cay's chart

you guys are actually ahead by a lot

lol

[karmic forum]

I still feel really behind

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

my chart is an average season.

[karmic forum]

I keep on getting +0s

[shell heron]

we're actually very ahead

[empty grove]

With how close this season is

[ionic magnet]

"average 2.6k" season

[empty grove]

I'd rather not take a -3 to -4 from dumping all

[karmic forum]

You're right though

[empty grove]

Although i'm like 70% sure it'll go over 12 hours

[zenith tundra]

-50 better then -4

[karmic forum]

Top scores are pretty close right now

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

All within 5 pts

[crude mortar]

so the play is I dumping to 0/10 cuz im safe to go 0/10 without -1

[empty grove]

Issue is

[shell heron]

if we win the bet, sandbaggers who caved will be even farther behind

[empty grove]

If people push now & lose 4, & they end up putting the servers up on time

[crude mortar]

and hope these cucks eat -50

right?

[empty grove]

You're dead in that season anyway

[crude mortar]

[karmic forum]

Gensui rush is going to decide everything

[shell heron]

how long maint lasts and gensui rush

[empty grove]

Well

[karmic forum]

I don't care about getting first in a scuffed season.

[empty grove]

If they're not playing around with anything time related

It should go up on time

2624 season

[ionic magnet]

i cant rush anyways
not when im already out of refreshes

[karmic forum]

Wait

[shell heron]

will this be the season where the cut off is 2600

[karmic forum]

Are we already above 2600?

[empty grove]

The perpetual refresh on 5/10

Nah, this was a season where people had glitched attempts

[karmic forum]

I thought we're all still behind.

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

fairly sure we're above 2600

[empty grove]

I think i'm highest atm

[shell heron]

I was 6 up from my chart and ended 2598

[empty grove]

I still haven't seen someone hit 2608

[karmic forum]

Thats assuming you get a good gensui

[ionic magnet]

yea im 6 pts behind fam
not feeling good about this

[empty grove]

& the highest i've seen in awhile was 2606

[karmic forum]

Whats your highest score ever?

[empty grove]

Tied with Kamita at 2607

I think Novae hit 2607 once too

[karmic forum]

I guess PvP scores really haven't changed all that much

[empty grove]

No screenshot tho

[karmic forum]

I was expecting scores to be higher a year ago for example

[empty grove]

If more people actively did PVP, it'd look like zack's server

The cut off is too low on avrora for that

Even more so on sandy for example

[karmic forum]

Zack is on the first JP server right?

[empty grove]

That's why 2590 is a pretty high score there

[karmic forum]

I'll return to sandbag a season if/when then do a PvP revamp

[zenith tundra]

don't think so

[karmic forum]

The scores should be higher than ever

[empty grove]

Assuming the point gain is left the same

[karmic forum]

True

Doesn't need much though, maybe if they add better rewards a lot more people will start doing it

[crude mortar]

people will just casually attacking randomly

hardcore will be the same

and if it cost high merit then hardcore already having 1m

[karmic forum]

More activity will benefit everyone

[frail orbit]

Keep in mind UTC matters too

If yer like me, wrong UTC

Just not gonna AOTN unless no schleep

🚮

[karmic forum]

PST is probably the best timezone for PvP

Reset is exactly at midnight

[frail orbit]

Which is why

[karmic forum]

And you're going to be active for the rest of the day

[zenith tundra]

hawaii has best time

[frail orbit]

Am loathing my UTC+7

Seriously

I CANT EVEN SANDBAG PROPERLY DAMN IT

[karmic forum]

Yeah thats rough for sure

[frail orbit]

TOO ROUGH

[karmic forum]

You might as well be playing in JP

[frail orbit]

And well

Not gonna

AM NOT GONNA

[hot creek]

PST second best time. Best timezone is actually Hawaii

[frail orbit]

Dont even know Japanese keks

So yeah

Am screwed

How to make it better smhw

[zenith tundra]

do u even need to read anything to play this game?

[frail orbit]

Am a lore guy too

Actually

My interest being pretty wide

[zenith tundra]

al lore 🚮

[empty grove]

Need to read the special touch lines

[frail orbit]

^that too

[zenith tundra]

if u want to know lines there is wiki

[karmic forum]

Special touch probably the most important line

[crude mortar]

this guy

[karmic forum]

Aside from the sortie ones

[crude mortar]

had no chill

there is a very very big different from reading from wiki and in game

[frail orbit]

^

[crude mortar]

its like watching movie and reading a book

[frail orbit]

Which is why am a bit baffled with my UTC smhw

Cant even go to CN/JP

More competition, cant even buy an account, cant top up

[crude mortar]

i dont play jp game with jp text

reading from wiki is like

u watch anime with no sub

then you google the story line

wutzefuk

[frail orbit]

Perhaps better just take it as merit point thang?

[zenith tundra]

no one is stopping but it's not as bad as u think unless u really think ship lines matter in the slightest

[frail orbit]

But that means I'd never on the same track as u guys

I meant

[crude mortar]

what server u on?

jp?

[frail orbit]

I cant be different from u guys

Like how

Am joining pvp bkoz of this

But well

[crude mortar]

just play 2 sv

ggez

[frail orbit]

Nah

[crude mortar]

buy double ring

spend double gem

[frail orbit]

Already have Honkai bro

[crude mortar]

support the game

[frail orbit]

Its already a pain in the ass

To play my smurf

On Sandy

Just quitted afterwards

[crude mortar]

i play smurf

2 hour

im done

[frail orbit]

And going back to main

[crude mortar]

ain't buying dock space

ain't playing witohut ring or skin

[frail orbit]

Am only playing avrora nowadays

[zenith tundra]

al on 2 servers is as unfun as it can get

[frail orbit]

Need my tech points after all

[zenith tundra]

it's more boring then playing only 1

[frail orbit]

Still at like
9694

Royal Navy tech point pain in the ass basically

[zenith tundra]

fleet tech isn't even relevant for pvp

[karmic forum]

Artificially inflating numbers is a thing

[zenith tundra]

fleet power is still a meme

doesn't change a thing

[frail orbit]

Yeah

Just me being wanting to go compete against u guys anywayy

But I cant even

WHATEVER LAH

Just me being a sucker tbh

Cant even do competitive
Only for waifu purposes

[ebon schooner]

What is this competitive thing you speak of

[karmic forum]

17k/17k fleet would admittedly be a good flex

Although don't think its possible to get the vanguard that high

[ebon schooner]

[ionic magnet]

reading from wiki is like
u watch anime with no sub
then you google the story line
real weebs can understand anime even with no subs

[ebon schooner]

If the story has floof, I’ll read it

If not, smash that skip button

[zenith tundra]

is it actually easier for backlines then vg tho?

[frail orbit]

AOTN all times
CM on no. 1 no taco 4s meme
EX on top 30 koz no. 1 is a taco 4s meme

That is

@zenith tundra 2 457

[zenith tundra]

sure if u ever reach that

[karmic forum]

Actually I might have it backwards

Definitely easier to boost vanguard in EN because of oxytorps

Backline requires dev30 fdg, Z flags, and 457s

[ebon schooner]

Ok rip this season

I wasn’t paying attention and I lost a +1

[shell heron]

lost a match or +1 bonus

[zenith tundra]

missing 200 pts on both vg and main fleet due to lack of 2nd 457 and rainbow quint. also -20 pts on backlines due to lack of staag

it's pretty close

[crude mortar]

waow

[ebon schooner]

Lost a match that would’ve given me +1

[shell heron]

ah, that's just a loss then

[zenith tundra]

-11

[ebon schooner]

Guess I’ll rush now

[shell heron]

technically -10

[ebon schooner]

No point in sandbagging

[crude mortar]

easiest +11 of my life

[ebon schooner]

Yea -10

[karmic forum]

[shell heron]

I guess -11 is correct as well since that's where you would have been

[zenith tundra]

practically -11 tho

[elder crane]

Okay, screw this shit

Warspite Amagi Monarch is 🚮

[karmic forum]

Science was done

[elder crane]

Can't even afk facing @ionic magnet 's HMS

if you can't even afk from defense HMS, well

tf is your team doing lol

[shell heron]

We appreciate you being our lab rat

[ebon schooner]

I was -8 compared to famine score, would’ve needed a good gensui to even make top10

[zenith tundra]

how do u lose against hms?

[elder crane]

no clue

[crude mortar]

how do you lose vs hms anyway

[elder crane]

cause Warkai Amagi Monarch is 🚮

[zenith tundra]

who was tanking and with what gear

[karmic forum]

Are we coining the term "Famine score"?

[elder crane]

does it even matter lol
should be easy win

[zenith tundra]

it does matter...

[shell heron]

sure. that is the benchmark score we compare to

[zenith tundra]

u only win to hms with a tank tbh

[elder crane]

what's the team @ionic magnet is running?
I didn't even look lol

[shell heron]

[ebon schooner]

why not

[vague token]

kek

[ebon schooner]

someone is gonna get a +2 from me if they get me

[ionic magnet]

sec ill get a screenshot

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

whats your name?

[elder crane]

standard HMS is so 🚮 that the not-shit teams I run don't even have to care who's tanking basically
Namagi doesn't need to care
Warspite Amagi Hiryuu doesn't need to care
tbf FC needs to care a bit, but

[crude mortar]

whats your current rank?

you on avrora?

I have alot of refresh to find you!!!11

[ebon schooner]

ill be #1 very soon

[ionic magnet]

you probably got helena'd

[zenith tundra]

what is that meme?

[ebon schooner]

not like #1 matters outside eos gensui

[crude mortar]

whats your name/rank @ebon schooner

[ebon schooner]

[elder crane]

Oh, you're running helena?
even more embarassing then

[crude mortar]

[ebon schooner]

youll see soon enough

[crude mortar]

what name

I want now

I want +2

[karmic forum]

Losing to helena in 2020

[ionic magnet]

this one with ryuusei on cent

[crude mortar]

what is this monstrosity

[elder crane]

wait, it's FC?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[elder crane]

lol even more embarassing

[karmic forum]

Its actually pretty brilliant

[karmic forum]

The more unassuming your team is

[ionic magnet]

if it procs it really hurts

[zenith tundra]

if helena procs it's rip vg

[karmic forum]

The easier you can catch people offguard

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[crude mortar]

sirius deal more dmg than helena? she had torp and fp

[frail orbit]

Have been against him

[karmic forum]

If I see a namaryuu, then I'll be watching a game closely

[crude mortar]

or not

[frail orbit]

1 time lately

[elder crane]

as far as I can tell it was close
only his warkai was left at like 10% HP

[karmic forum]

If I see that, I'd probably just afk

[frail orbit]

Need to actually draws in my Namawakai

Just to survive the ordeal

[zenith tundra]

why amagi mid and monarch tanking....

[frail orbit]

And that w/ VH also

[zenith tundra]

amagi should be tanking

[elder crane]

I've moved monarch to side since one defensive aux Hiryuu doesn't get proc'ed by 25 s reliably otherwise

[frail orbit]

And using Azuma for actual

[elder crane]

didn't bother switching

cause lol FC

[frail orbit]

Just to not getting Helena proc derp my VG

[crude mortar]

why not aurora

[elder crane]

it's FC defense
should get easily rolled over
focus was on Centaur too, which I think is correct?

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

now to wait for a good retro skill for helena

[zenith tundra]

using wrong gear and setup and complaining u lose

[crude mortar]

[vague token]

the thing about double barrage cv is you just care about crash

defense friendly

no need to hit the barrage xD

[ionic magnet]

its pretty fun on offense too

[zenith tundra]

it's not namaryuu or namagi ws u don't auto win

[ionic magnet]

i can win in 1 airstrike when helena procs

[vague token]

downside is centaur evaporates cause medium lol

[ionic magnet]

tho shes shit when she doesnt proc

[elder crane]

Well, it's 🚮 relatively speaking imo then
Just run Warkai Amagi Hiryuu then

[zenith tundra]

there is a reason i didn't put over t1(2 now)

[elder crane]

easier to set up since Hiryuu vs a dev 30/35 monarch

[frail orbit]

Wait for Helena kai

[karmic forum]

Might use Helena kai on defense now

[ebon schooner]

lul, eating -1 now

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

Might as well her bein another designated carry for well
Pearls

[ebon schooner]

not even gonna bother refreshing

[karmic forum]

Depending on datamines

[vague token]

if helena kai gets defense ill swap her in with my formi/taihou comp xD

[empty grove]

[crude mortar]

?

[ebon schooner]

no

[vague token]

hecc

[ionic magnet]

wait are we getting helena kai this maintenance?

[vague token]

no

[crude mortar]

no

[frail orbit]

Nein

[zenith tundra]

not even cn/jp

[ionic magnet]

ok ded hype

[vague token]

soon(tm) still

[crude mortar]

not even next eweek

[frail orbit]

[empty grove]

We'll get it when we get the amagi skin

[elder crane]

helena kai has been "WIP" for like half a year?

[empty grove]

So in a year

[vague token]

i mean we have waited a year

[crude mortar]

next 3 week

[empty grove]

[ebon schooner]

[elder crane]

skin is done already

[vague token]

what is another month

[elder crane]

which is the funny part

[empty grove]

So is sanrui's apparently

[crude mortar]

cn event french

2 week for french event

[elder crane]

I meant for Helena retro

[empty grove]

Although i'm sceptical on that one

[crude mortar]

1 week for rest

from my calculation

3 week

[elder crane]

the stream that teased Helena retro had the guy say Helena's retro art was almost complete iirc

[karmic forum]

Oh wait JP/CN aren't even getting Helena kai yet

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

Guess like I'll wait a bit longer before I meme

[ebon schooner]

[crude mortar]

this?

[elder crane]

In any case, Monarch has just been feeling shitty even with warkai, relative to Hiryuu, even without Nagato
Can't tank that well
and does less damage than a proc'd Hiryuu, and occasionally fails to barrage for even less damage
Hiryuu even steals MVP over warkai in some of the closer matches

[ebon schooner]

+8

lmao

-2 rather

yea

[zenith tundra]

monarch is for dps not tank

u want her to use 2 sg as much as possible

she is still squishy with that setup but at least can do dmg

[elder crane]

Still doesn't really do all that much damage
am I expecting too much out of her?
DrH is the correct gun choice, or nah? I tried AP on her, but meh

[ionic magnet]

monarch is in a weird spot cos warkai stole her role as hiryuu/amagi sniper

[zenith tundra]

he is for burn on ws target that uses ap

anyway hms does really not good against cv comps. it's much better against bb

namaryuu might still "wall" as many comps as namagi fdg. it just does worse against top comps

[elder crane]

Facing amagi-Hiryuu is a pain though
Can't even proc Hiryuu by 25 s reliably with Monarch flag
vs defensive aux at least

[frail orbit]

Nowadays Monarch for PVE only anyway

Cue 13-4 w/ Monarch being the recom keks

[elder crane]

Basically

[vague token]

i cant force it with 410 and double cv cause defense stats

[frail orbit]

When am just shitmashing triforce Double E with Cent on 13-4 keks

[zenith tundra]

i did all w13 without using monarch. not needed

even there

[elder crane]

ch 10 HM is turning out to be
Need to manual if I don't want to break out the 120s
I had forgotten how annoying 10-4 Jint boss is for auto setups

[ebon schooner]

[elder crane]

Yeah, I even body-dragged Bis+Tirp for ch 13 mobs in 3:2 auto setup

[karmic forum]

Monarch does help a lot though

[ebon schooner]

10-4 jintsuu day1 farm was aids and cancer

[elder crane]

ch 13 really not that hard

[ionic magnet]

does sirius debuff work vs azuma?

[zenith tundra]

how would it work?

[karmic forum]

It isn't that bad, especially if you do your homework

[ionic magnet]

the -10% eva rate

but CB isnt listed

[elder crane]

10-4 auto or what?

[keen sparrow]

oh nice we have wishing well time for me to back n get centaur n taihou for meme comp

[zenith tundra]

then it doesn't work

[sour oasis]

... Wishing well? Already?

[zenith tundra]

not 100% sure

[karmic forum]

Shouldn't work on Azuma unless spaghetti

[keen sparrow]

99.9% will fail

[elder crane]

CB is separate class
I don't think there's a vanguard/main split for skill effects on enemies

[ionic magnet]

was hoping that its just outdated

but yea ig

[elder crane]

so yeah, almost certainly doesn't work

well, thinking things get updated like that, kek

PvP doesn't have CB mods
heck
PvP doesn't even have BBV mods despite those coming out like, what, 3-4 months after release?

[ionic magnet]

[keen sparrow]

dev forget pvp in AL

[elder crane]

tbf it's PvP
where the only real update ever gotten is Albacore in merit shop

[karmic forum]

They could have intentionally not added any mods for those classes

[ebon schooner]

loli bait

[karmic forum]

It sorta fits their buffs/debuffs for the other hull types

[keen sparrow]

cb +20% dmg

[elder crane]

BBV stands out as sore thumb since all the main fleet get damage debuffs but them
CB, tbf, if anything, Azuma should get debuff

[keen sparrow]

[elder crane]

CB treated like CVL, -10% dmg

or maybe hit her with the full -20%
"Main fleet ship cosplaying as vanguard ship" and all

I think that might put her in similar spot to FdG?

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't be opposed to that

[elder crane]

at least means probably dev 25 is mandatory for her to be best choice

[karmic forum]

For the sake of vanguard diversity

Won't change anything but it will make her less oppressive

[elder crane]

as it is, even when you have QE or Bismarck and even Graf Z pretty sure, best vanguard is still just Azuma Jun Yukikaze basically

maybe it's time to just give up on DD as a class in PvP and nerf yukikaze too

[zenith tundra]

u spent 1 year researching a ship that is mediocre in pve and can't even use her in pvp. sounds good

[vague token]

i mean, dd as a class is garbo

[elder crane]

idk, pretty sure even with a -20%, and for sure with a -10%, Azuma would still be great at dev 25, or at least dev 30

[vague token]

99% of dds are unusable

also dev 25 adds the tank stats so she will be good always there

[hot creek]

Ah yes, more persons to join the "pvp Monarch is overrated" club. , at least she's still a pve goddess.

[elder crane]

given even Non-Nagato runs Azuma now, and Nagato buff I'm pretty sure represents well over +25% eDpS for Azuma, she for sure would still show up in Nagato teams with a -20% damage debuff slapped on her

[zenith tundra]

i personally think monarch is fine in pvp

just team that would use her are inferior

[elder crane]

Monarch is on the upper power level for "balanced"

[vague token]

i mean a lot of ships are fine tier

[elder crane]

which doesn't cut it these days, but still

[vague token]

not many on great tier xD

[zenith tundra]

outside of broken stuff like amagi ws fdg and nagato (only for buff) there really aren't any other bb better

[elder crane]

yeah, hence, " on the upper power level for "balanced" "

[zenith tundra]

2 of them ur/dr rarity 1 broken because reasons and 1 that is broken only when buffs other broken stuff

monarch would be just fine to use in pvp if qe wasn't useless

[frail orbit]

Which is the point

2020 and running QE

[elder crane]

The pre-Nagato CN meta I think was the most diverse
and HMS was probably by a slight edge the best team towards the end of that era, a large part due to Monarch, and a decent part due to Cent

[frail orbit]

Imagine running a ship w/ no front loaded overkill tendency at all

On pvp

No barrage, no reliable snipe, only a dead weight

[zenith tundra]

pre nagato is also pre pr so like early al where hms and wasd were the only comps with actual buffs

[crude mortar]

dev never made mistake releasing ship for pvp

[vague token]

the number of buffs is too damn high jk

[frail orbit]

My wife power u know

When she gets angry

[vague token]

we need more interesting stuff like formi and less stat padding xD

[elder crane]

PR was April, and Nagato June
so yeah, I suppose technically there was a small window with Monarch

tbh CN Nakaga meta was pretty good too

[zenith tundra]

May 31 2018

There will be an update/maintenance from 14:00 to 18:00, JST (Japan Standard Time, GMT+9)

New Contents

Limited Time Event "Ink-stained Steel Sakura"

[elder crane]

wait did I misread it lol

[zenith tundra]

unless cn had it later

idk

[elder crane]

CN Server: June 7th - June 21st 2018

[vague token]

lul

[elder crane]

oh lol it did

[zenith tundra]

i knew it was before for jp but not cn...

[elder crane]

anyways
JP Nakaga meta suffered from being techically pre-120, though 120 right after ISSS doesn't really help that much
and from no WaSD existing for JP yet

also from JP being newer server, so less people with Monarch developed

[keen sparrow]

at least QE can for eva meme to tank warkai barrage

but now she go 🚮 amagi take her job

[zenith tundra]

anyone can do that

[elder crane]

Wait, Centaur was August 2018

[zenith tundra]

i used tosa with double evasion and it does same job

[elder crane]

Why do I remember Hood not being in HMS pre-Nakaga in CN

[keen sparrow]

centaur will in wishing well nt sure if taihou

[elder crane]

time to do some trawling

[proper sorrel]

taihou is not in wishing well (you can't rate up her)

[keen sparrow]

[elder crane]

Quick, meme picks for wishing well, go?

[ebon schooner]

kent

[proper sorrel]

oklahoma, nevada

[elder crane]

Nothing I want in there, as usual

too standard

I went with Arethusa/Galatea last time iirc

[hot creek]

pick medals

[proper sorrel]

ping hai ning hai

[keen sparrow]

put nagato at wishing well

[elder crane]

nah, won't be pulling probably since I need to hunt swiftsure still

5 sandy 4 ykkz 2 bel monty and Akashi

[proper sorrel]

be like me and rate up vampire

[crude mortar]

can chinese wall tanking in pvp?

[elder crane]

Nope

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

player ship hit stat too high

their evasion meme doesn't work

and they bring nothing else to the table

[keen sparrow]

i just want that elf she alwys refuse my summon to my chaldea dock

[proper sorrel]

chinawall vs warkai

just shoot over the wall

[elder crane]

chinawall tanks in PvE cause outside of EX/CM, highest enemy hit so far is 86 in suruga EX iirc (with 50? luck)
normally, highest is Taihou in 13-4 with 75 hit and 25 luck
Basically Yat Sen pushes evarate to 90% cap and they're immortal

meanwhile in PvP
even the lowest hit stat ships start at 110
IJN runs like 150-180 normally iirc
and vanguards run from 140ish for CA at low end, up to 200+ for CL/DD

[vague token]

or we can just stop with flat mods

to rates

cause yeah

[keen sparrow]

warkai just 1shot chinawall

[zenith tundra]

and u are still dealing no dmg like pve

[elder crane]

warkai with an HE gun actually physical hitting chinawall will evaporate them, yeah
since she's sitting at, what, 145 hit stat minimum?

[keen sparrow]

145 if sg + staag

[elder crane]

Well, SG + staag is bare min anyways
and that's even non-oath

[vague token]

i really like armor/sg amagi

xD

[elder crane]

oath pushes her to, what, 104 or 105 base?

[keen sparrow]

if QE can give +20% accuary buff that will gud

[vague token]

or we can have more creative team effects

like formidable

instead of just stat padding

[elder crane]

That's a big part of why Nagato is so powerful in PvP, yeah

cause hit stat matters so much

[frail orbit]

If u want somethin like Formi

[keen sparrow]

yes coz that hit n reload buff

[frail orbit]

Fix that planes 1st

[zenith tundra]

106 should be. 100/1.06 is 94.3 so it should be 95 with no affection changes

[elder crane]

Really, just give QE a barrage
maybe a dred, even if just for self
and she's good

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

well, 25 of it is from retro

which isn't affected by oath

[keen sparrow]

just give hms buff upgrade

with accuary

or eva rate

[frail orbit]

Just make her like Dido

Buffs herself and her faction

And snipe pls

Snipe>>>>> barrage

[elder crane]

75/1.06*1.12 = 79.25
so oath is either +4 or +5

[zenith tundra]

does retro work as some kind of equipment not base stats?

[elder crane]

it doesn't scale with oath

compare retro and nonretro numbers

[zenith tundra]

that makes no sense

[elder crane]

well, to be exact
it isn't affected by affection

[zenith tundra]

good to know

[elder crane]

affection only applies to the level-scaling part of stats

[zenith tundra]

but still weird

[elder crane]

retro stats are tacked on top of the level-scaling, so aren't affected

[zenith tundra]

which why i said as some kind of equipment

[elder crane]

basically, only base+scaling*level is scaled by affection
and retro is implemented as a +stat rather than a separate ship
unlike limit break, which for some reason, limit breaks are treated like different ships, so limit break stat boosts are implemented as increased base

well, it is affected by cats afaik

unlike equipment

🍝

[zenith tundra]

totally agree

[elder crane]

the limit break / retro thing is just sooo 🍝 on which gets treated as separate ships and which don't

as evidenced from sandy retro fiasco, retro'd ships need the higher-rarity engineer to limit break
get own collection page

Meanwhile
Limit break is actually separate ship in backend code
stat boost affected by oath
each limit break level treated as separate ship for fleet power leaderboard

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

all this spaghetti so stats from limit break can be counter for oath? is there any other reason?

[elder crane]

I think it's the other way around actually

retro stats are by-node, so they aren't separate ships

also level limit is tacked on to that

each limit break is separate ship, so has own level limit

which btw is why the bismarck Z-dd was bugged
they copy-pasted it from CN, with level cap of 100 on not-MLB

[crude mortar]

is 6% stat that big?

[ebon schooner]

its more than 0%

[elder crane]

well, 106% to 112% modifier like that pretty much makes about as much diff was offense advantage

[proper sorrel]

6 percent enough to make a difference

[elder crane]

that is, a nonoath offense vs an oathed 200 aff defense is actually somewhat of a fair fight stat-wise
but then positioning and barrages

[zenith tundra]

i still don't get why they would treat limit breaks as different ships

[vague token]

spaghetti that's why

[zenith tundra]

cn doesn't even have level limit

[elder crane]

lemme show you what I mean, gimme a sec

I'll DM cause it's a lot

oh lol doesn't fit in DM, gimme a sec

[zenith tundra]

how does all shelling land on 1 ship when it was dead after 1st salvo... i hate that

[vague token]

i wish shelling had a bit of predictive ai to it xD

reduce the damage of shelling but make them not stupid

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure the ship even died right before shelling landed to vg and 3s later shelling still landing in open water

it's the reason why i would never have 2 ships with similar gun timings. i can only imagine 4-5 salvos hitting water for no reason

[proper sorrel]

too high risk?

[vague token]

i dont understand why the delay is a thing if the time is the same

[zenith tundra]

i saw 2 salvos from fdg hitting open water dealing negative dmg

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

it adds more rng then is needed tbh

u could lose to just that since u can miss a lot of dmg

u can have 2 of them with same gun if they have cdr skill or 1 uses hpfcr

[vague token]

like they could halve shelling damage but make them actually lead their shot

[crude mortar]

OOF

[ionic magnet]

lurker spotted

[vague token]

although i dunno how they do their rng movement

hopefully they have the rns pregenerated

xD

[elder crane]

@coral wren
in fleet power ranking, an 0lb, 1lb, 2lb, mlb copy are treated as separate ships, so they all contribute to the overall ranking
it's as if you had 4 different ships

[ionic magnet]

i see some ppl already did their 10 charges

[crude mortar]

got +2 this reset already

[karmic forum]

If you push earlier you have a chance of running into them

Even higher if you have refreshes

Not trying to bait either I already tried and missed.

[elder crane]

0lb+1lb+2lb total fleet power is greater than mlb power
so literally more than doubles total sum of fleet power
but "total fleet power" is sublinear scaling, so ends up being less than double in the rankings iirc

[zenith tundra]

i don't think is worth it. too few people to not just be gambling tbh

[elder crane]

still, basically means in some subservers, you need to be a hyperwhale to enter into top ranks of fleet power

[karmic forum]

Its really hard to get a +2 anyways so I think you might as well mix it up

[zenith tundra]

at around 100-120 u have to hit top 5 for a +1

[elder crane]

if even possible

sometimes you can be ~150, even towards end of season, and top 1 can't even give +1

[zenith tundra]

u can get top 10 around 120 it's just too rng

[shell heron]

I'll wait for my guaranteed +1 instead

[elder crane]

@coral wren probably you didn't do it enough to matter

[karmic forum]

Do it after you get your +1 I mean

Probably too late now though, too many people already pushed

[elder crane]

I mean, let's think about it a different way
top Avrora fleet power guy has something stupid like 3x my fleet power on ranking
this means, given sublinear scaling, he has something like 4, 4.5x my total sum of fleet power
I have literally every ship (but swiftsure) at or close to mlb
I have something stupid like 120 ships at lv 100 or above
how else is that possible

[karmic forum]

Hes obviously keeping multiple LB copies of ships

And probably equipping items on everything

[elder crane]

yes

equips count towards it

[zenith tundra]

equipment? like just equipping every dumb gold gear on all ships possible

[elder crane]

cause equip is a lot of fleet power

What's a naked warkai on fleet power again?

[zenith tundra]

3.4k mine

u can reach easily over 5.5k

[elder crane]

5.5 with just gold

so yeah
even on one of the highest base stat (and hence fleet power) ships in the game
equip is like 40%ish of her fleet power

[zenith tundra]

almost 6k with full meme rainbow

[proper sorrel]

wait 2 z flags?

[zenith tundra]

wasted a lot to max them. not worth it even for memes

[elder crane]

0lb ships are like 1.2k fleet power

[proper sorrel]

576 t3 plates to +10 both of them

[elder crane]

so equips literally almost triple fleet power

[zenith tundra]

and gold that i need for french event

[elder crane]

depends on how high your leaderboard total flt power

it's sublinear scaling, remember

[karmic forum]

CN has 3 Z flags I think

[elder crane]

increase of 20 for someone at 5k is somewhere around increase of 15 for someone at 10k, for example

iirc scaling was something aroundish X^(0.7)

CN wiki has details

google-tl quality is just barely good enough to understand most of it and navigate site if you're fluent in english

tbh even though I'm fluent-ish in chinese, the google-tl english version is more intelligible for me, since too much chinese gamer slang for me to get it

[vague token]

the only time it gets weird is on some skills

[zenith tundra]

6hr jp as usual

[karmic forum]

CN/JP maints have less problems than EN I think