pvp

[frail orbit]

More monotonous keks

[coral wren]

Hoping these french ships make metas more interesting

[frail orbit]

Which is why am still on dilemma

SHIPS OR 457

[keen sparrow]

just warkai + 457 is ok

[frail orbit]

DAHM

[zenith tundra]

once u have that u can swap in between 3-4 comps with minimal loss of wr%

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

457 and warkai is only ok?

[hot creek]

WS 457 is like having extra Divine Marksman barrages

[frail orbit]

Put that w/ hpfcr

U got basically a gatling sniper

[keen sparrow]

extra divine marksman plus DMG

[zenith tundra]

fdg 457 is like ws barrage. 5.3k crit dmg on ws from defense

[frail orbit]

Which is WHY

SHIPS OR 457?

[coral wren]

How is 457 on amagi?

[frail orbit]

Kinda need to save for JB smhw for collrate

[zenith tundra]

never tested it

[sour oasis]

BOTH

[frail orbit]

And Riche

Dahm

If I spam coob rese no guarantee to get Iris ships smhw

[coral wren]

I mean if i had like 2/3 457...id attempt it to see if i got faster kills.

[zenith tundra]

i don't think amagi is good for 457. her early shelling is more useful for setting up fires

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

457 is ap round right?

[zenith tundra]

when all ships attack at around 15-17s it's ok to have 457 since fire doesn't stack

[vague token]

457 is the super ap

[sour oasis]

Get more cubes and keep spamming

[coral wren]

How much more dmg does fire cause...without extinguisher?

[zenith tundra]

on amagi is 236dps with a 15.97 reload

it goes to 277 dps without amagi fire dr

and that's from a twin 381

if u do the math is around 3.7k dmg on amagi and 4.4k dmg on non amagi from fire

and can be set on multiple targets if lucky aim

[vague token]

i swear defense guns have higher odds of landing on vg than offense

xD

[zenith tundra]

defense seems to have all advantages but the 20% dr for offense

now if they invert the dr bonus by "accident" (like nagato buff) i wonder what would happen

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

defense does have the mechanical advantages

only numbers hurt them

if there was no dr for offense defense torp + hiryuu wins by default

because their torps have less rng than yours do

they get to roll dice twice on theirs

there's also more hang time for their guns

which means more time for your ships to rng into the circles

like i would just do ibuki/juneau/noshiro

nagato/amagi/hiryuu

win everything

[leaden jay]

What gear would be better for PvP?

[vague token]

ykkz has the best odds of lasting to 2nd torp launch

rainbow torp is fine

oxy isnt necessary

you can try either +500 hp item or boiler

[zenith tundra]

boiler instead of oxy but that is for stalling so it depends on other 2 vg ships

twin 100 gives her a bit more aa if u have trouble with cv

[leaden jay]

My two vanguard ships are Noshi and Jintsuu Kai

So pretty much full aggro

[eager cedar]

rudder and boiler

[vague token]

not rudder on ykkz

[eager cedar]

are you a double boiler user

[zenith tundra]

rudder is annoying on yukikaze on defense tbh but it's rng

[eager cedar]

i guess boiler and fire externgusher

[vague token]

na i do boiler/fe

[leaden jay]

Is running Triple 152mm Main Gun on Noshiro a bad idea for PvP?

Or is it still viable

[vague token]

i usually use the fast shooting cl gun

w/e it is

she doesnt really have shelling skills

[zenith tundra]

u can use either seattle gun or single 150 depends if u want more consistent dmg or barrage spam

[eager cedar]

i use seattle gun cause im too lazy to take it off

[leaden jay]

Seattle gun?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_152mm_(6"/47_Mk_17_DP_Prototype)

[leaden jay]

[zenith tundra]

chappy gun works too

[eager cedar]

i dont expect noshiro barrage to ever hit, thats why i dont like barrage guns

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty much the same

[hot creek]

*same for CL Main purposes

[leaden jay]

So Seattle gun for PvP Noshiro?

[eager cedar]

yea

[leaden jay]

What about Jintsuu, which gun should I run for her, cuz she has Belgun

Oh, I see

[zenith tundra]

i would still belgun unless u have extra chappy/seattle gun lying around

[keen sparrow]

most of time noshi n nanoda torp barrage alwys hit backline

they smart AI

[leaden jay]

What's the Chappy gun

[eager cedar]

jintsuu fp and barrage are garbage, just slap on w/e for her

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_152mm_(MK-5)

[vague token]

chappy gun is just a bit worse seattle gun

[zenith tundra]

the one from russian event

[hot creek]

I meant to reply to earlier comment. Use your seattle guns as BB secondaries. If you have spares afterwards, use them on your CL.

[vague token]

it's very respectable

[zenith tundra]

it has less range but better fp so it's better on cl then bb aux

[leaden jay]

Just wanted to thank all of you for the help

[keen sparrow]

all my back using nepgun excpet warkai

[light crystal]

Chappy gun is a better aux bb gun over seattle one

[leaden jay]

But I thought BBs have a better gun to use

[keen sparrow]

seatle gun is killer

[vague token]

it isnt cause no range

[zenith tundra]

u want guns with good shelling range for bb so usually either nep gun or seattle gun so they can actually hit vg when comes close

[leaden jay]

What about this gun

[vague token]

that one is fine

that's nep gun

[leaden jay]

Is it better or worse

[light crystal]

Or u wanna min max fp so bbs kill shit faster

[keen sparrow]

i slap that on warkai since warkai have 10% acc rate to dd

[leaden jay]

Wait that's the Nepgun?

[vague token]

yes

[keen sparrow]

make enemy sink

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

it's the pr1 gun you make that is associated with hms neptune

[past egret]

I thought it was the Seattle gun that made Yuki sink

[vague token]

cause she has a AP damage skill

[sterile bluff]

there should be a gun nicknames command somewhere...

[zenith tundra]

seattle gun has better dps against yukikaze and juneau so it's a bit better then nep gun

[vague token]

also the aa helps a lot of meta bbs

[light crystal]

imagine caring too much over secondary dmg and not enough about main volley dmg ♿

[past egret]

1. Seattle
2. Chappy
3. Neptune
   ^ that’s the correct best guns in tier order?

[vague token]

i mean, the fp difference is tiny

[past egret]

I think

[vague token]

when a bb has 400+ fp

[sterile bluff]

comparing different ammo type guns?

[vague token]

but less than 200 aa

[zenith tundra]

the sooner u kill opponent vg the faster u can land shells on opponent main fleet consistently

[vague token]

or refresh fire

xD

[sterile bluff]

or be like me and go straight for their main

aaaand... get killed by their vg later

[past egret]

@sterile bluff just use carriers for both 5head

[sterile bluff]

i will never use carriers

ignore my name

[zenith tundra]

seattle gun > nep gun > chappy. the range on nep gun is still better then he mod on chappy

[past egret]

RangerKai Enterprise Saratoga Helena Baltimore Juneua america noises

Won’t work though since enemy BB’s will snipe 2 of them

[sterile bluff]

[past egret]

And they’d die instantly

[vague token]

just wait for midway

[sterile bluff]

foc merica

[vague token]

then merica will have revenge in pvp

[sterile bluff]

HMS is for true men of culture

[leaden jay]

Is Bofors / Roomba still the meta for PvP vanguard AA or any of the new AA better?

[light crystal]

Nah

[past egret]

@vague token after the next 30 essex carriers come out

@leaden jay STAAG

[leaden jay]

Only STAAG?

[zenith tundra]

u want roomba on juneau

[sour oasis]

(Wait, how does Phoenix still have bells? They didn't dissappear with event like Tosa skin?)

[past egret]

STAAG is the way

[leaden jay]

The rest isn't worth?

[zenith tundra]

outside of that whatever

[light crystal]

We're gonna get DR PR3/4 Hakuryuu, best CV in the game, mark my words

[vague token]

usually high aa high reload takes roomba

so juneau

low aa high reload can also take roomba

aka ykkz

bbs take staag

[leaden jay]

I don't use Junaeu

[vague token]

azuma takes staag

[keen sparrow]

6 STAAG 5 seatle gun is gud to go

[hot creek]

I dont know maybe quest was bugged or something. Those bells have been there since I started playing the game.

[leaden jay]

[vague token]

if you dont have enough staag/roomba, just use anything

[past egret]

Might be wrong here

[leaden jay]

Okay

[sour oasis]

If you have infinite STAAG or Chairs, then you can safely ignore other AA.

[light crystal]

Or just use staag cuz ACC = more surface dmg averages anyway kek

[leaden jay]

Oh, the torture chair looking AA?

[past egret]

Decent Vanguard AA choices

Backline AA choices

[leaden jay]

Torture chair for backliners or vanguard?

[light crystal]

Imagine that one torp taht would've missed without that extra bit of 10* ACC tipping the scale lel

[sterile bluff]

staag for vg?

[past egret]

I see all of these ones used a lot but quad bofors is really beating the bush for good AA

[sour oasis]

There's only 1 gold 134AA in game right?

Torture chair has similar accuracy boost staag does.

[zenith tundra]

i use hazemeyer on yukikaze because not enough staag. so that's an alternative for vg

[leaden jay]

[light crystal]

I got 5 STAAG, which Im using all on my PvP fleet now lol

Wish I had 6 so all had their own. Oh well

[sour oasis]

I mean, if you have infinite staag, use it on vg too...

[past egret]

I thought Hayzemer was trash

[keen sparrow]

acc add more power to fleet

n eva

[vague token]

it's worse than staag

but it's better than nothing

5 hit isnt 10 hit

but it's still 5 hit

xD

[sour oasis]

Hayzemer has almost the same stats, unless there's a hidden value

[eager cedar]

quick math

[past egret]

I thought octagon > Hayzemer though

[zenith tundra]

for actual aa yes

[granite flame]

switching to pc

[zenith tundra]

but there barely is any need for aa in pvp

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra just warkai the enemy carrier

[zenith tundra]

u can just speed dodge opponent cv airstrike. who needs to kill planes

[keen sparrow]

warkai + 457 > all

[granite flame]

just wait for QE retro to give HMS bb's +30% crit damage

[sour oasis]

"Barely" isn't 0. Use purple AA and watch crash damage eat your backline

[granite flame]

warkai promptly gets renamed death star

[zenith tundra]

u use seattle gun to pad bad ijn aa

not for aa dmg but aa dr

[sour oasis]

@keen sparrow The heck is your avatar? (And... Why is she eating a 'donut'.)

[vague token]

isnt that peco or w/e

[eager cedar]

yes

it is

[keen sparrow]

peco 3star art

[granite flame]

[keen sparrow]

soon i will become like stela

[granite flame]

@ripe latch i recovered from my loss now, you might still be able to find me, 7/10 rushers today

[keen sparrow]

is fun

[eager cedar]

i wish people would rush for me

[granite flame]

when ever i get found i full rush

[vague token]

i had cay earlier

[granite flame]

if i find them and they dont rush i record myself smashing their fleet and yt it

[vague token]

he had his cultured defense

[granite flame]

HMS?

[vague token]

no

[granite flame]

what defense

[keen sparrow]

cay is namba 1 elde fans

[vague token]

oh it didnt work

[coral wren]

The new le malin skin is very...
Interesting.

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/710527147403509931

[coral wren]

Is le malin any good?

[vague token]

up there

is his defense

[zenith tundra]

that skin is just al in 1 pic

[granite flame]

thats a flex

[vague token]

putting a hammock over a bench? xD

[granite flame]

i like it

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u can ever hit 10 times 1 ship in a row for le malin skill to be good in pvp

[sour oasis]

that skin is just al in 1 pic
Hamman and Yamashiro retro

[vague token]

it's almost impossible in pve

unless you 100% manual

and even then oops spread from the gun whiffed

xD

[zenith tundra]

maybe against solo boss?

[vague token]

suicide boat ran past your target

oops

[coral wren]

Also, i dont think jeanne is going to be good. She is an event reward vs gained from rng.

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra yea its unfortunate wouldnt mind trying out a le malin french fleet

[zenith tundra]

noshiro was exchange

just saying

[granite flame]

depends how good riche is and jeannedarc is

[karmic forum]

And the 3rd ssr

[zenith tundra]

hopefully only 2 of them

like ce og run

[karmic forum]

Perhaps

I think it will be two SSR in build though

[granite flame]

st louis jeanne malin
jeanbart riche gascogne

thats like the only fleet i could think of forming with french ships

[karmic forum]

Jeanne is already confirmed as the shop ssr

[zenith tundra]

i think so too but i wouldn't mind a cube break

[coral wren]

What if you use blue gun o.o for le malin?

[eager cedar]

tosa really hurt my reserves

[zenith tundra]

shooting fast won't change that in pvp vg ships move too much

and i don't think it changes much for pve outside of reducing her mg dmg

[coral wren]

I guess le malin really isnt that good xD

[zenith tundra]

she should be good for pve mobs tbh

[vague token]

not clearing

[coral wren]

(Then they make a mini gun dd main gun)

[vague token]

i think

[zenith tundra]

150% mg eff with 137 fp and a fp boosting skill on kill plus 30s boost evasion and torp. if she isn't meant for mobs then she has no role

[vague token]

is she the one getting the kills though?

compared to like tashkent

[zenith tundra]

solo fast clear seems fine plus twin 130 is a thing now

[vague token]

although i guess tashkent is newer

not really fair for malin

[zenith tundra]

tash is broken

not fair for anyone

[vague token]

yeah xD

[coral wren]

Tash is not good for pvp right?

[vague token]

no

slow is tiny

dont bother

also it has to hit

xD

[zenith tundra]

seeing tash outdps london on boss was fun and both with 138.6

[vague token]

to be fair

london is boosting tash fp

if it was just both solo

london might be closer

[zenith tundra]

i should try tash london leip for fairness

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

Thats pretty bad actually since london has good gun %

[vague token]

well, na, tashkent has 165 mg eff

that's close

actually that's higher

[coral wren]

But london has double guns

[vague token]

and she is also buffing tashkent an extra 10% fp

[zenith tundra]

london mg doesn't really do that much more

[vague token]

tashkent will be like a bit under london fp

[meager dawn]

devs should've just given london kai mgm+1 or agm+1

[coral wren]

But Tashkent in pvp does not get de buffs like bigger ships..
.right?

[vague token]

na

london is actually pretty much fine

if anything they need to buff sanrui to be the top anti light

[zenith tundra]

if london isn't fine then who is

[coral wren]

I use to use london in pvp...

[keen sparrow]

fubuki 2.0

[vague token]

give her a projectile speed boost maybe

or angle increase skill

xD

[coral wren]

Wait....

[meager dawn]

2nd frontline carrier?

[zenith tundra]

saint louis won't get any better

[vague token]

[empty grove]

She will if they give her a skin

[coral wren]

Jeanne de arc should have something similar to Juneau. Since she died and that caused stuff to happen.

[vague token]

especially with no skin

[empty grove]

Test it out

I dare you

||||

[zenith tundra]

saint louis skin 🚮

[keen sparrow]

yes i agree make her have heal skill like jeane fgo

[empty grove]

M8

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't buy it for 200 gems

[empty grove]

She got dogged hard

I'd buy an L2D skin for her

[sterile bluff]

who?

[coral wren]

There is a saint louis skin?

[sterile bluff]

nope

at least not that i know of

[empty grove]

Nah

She's the only PR ship without one

It's why people meme it 24/7, like the Nimi shit you see

[keen sparrow]

saint louis skin is like amagi skin or z23 oath

[zenith tundra]

people meme all the time. does it matter if it's 1 thing or another

[coral wren]

But amagi skin is in progress

They couldn't finish it before rerun.

[empty grove]

It's EN

They'll always find something to meme

[coral wren]

(Maybe it was l2d, then they couldn't finish it because of upcoming event skins)

[hot creek]

Tell them to meme a [Headnod] L2D.

[coral wren]

Im still waiting for them to come out with uss Corona.

[zenith tundra]

i actually prefer normal skins. don't really like l2d and have it turned off on skins that have it. they also cost more

[coral wren]

Im a degen so i like the jiggly effects

[vague token]

the l2d is best for ripping into the desktop background stuff

xD

but i like the suruga one

she's ready for when i get fdg up to par

ultra stall

[coral wren]

I kept buying too many skins that just looked nice.
Now i only buy skins for ships i will use (in pvp)

[zenith tundra]

i haven't spent that much on skins. i'm pretty sure i spent more on rings

[empty grove]

L2D actually makes my emu die

My PC is probs just shit tho so it's ok

[vague token]

oh ok

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

how old is your pc?

[empty grove]

Fuck me like

2011

[hot creek]

Mine's from 2012

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

that's ancient already

[empty grove]

I mean

[vague token]

that is ancient lul

[empty grove]

I aint gonna upgrade PC for a mobile game

& I wouldn't upgrade anyway, i'd buy a brand new one

[hot creek]

mine is second gen i5, but I have a decent videocard gtx 970.

[empty grove]

Mine's the opposite

[hot creek]

my only issue is ram sometimes, when i have too many tabs open.

[coral wren]

I got a 1400 dollar desktop pc for 700 dollars..
But i dont use it xD
I would use it for A.L. but didnt like the software.

[empty grove]

Everything else is fine but the GPU is ancient

Like it came out dated

[vague token]

rip

[coral wren]

My pc just sits there, not to be used xD

Are they getting new event or old french event?

[zenith tundra]

jp/cn is new event

old iris event is retired

[coral wren]

This is under tw .... not sure if considered cn

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue about tw server at all

[coral wren]

Blacked out image looks like first isss ships imo

[vague token]

the uber ahoge

[zenith tundra]

looking better i'm wrong

[coral wren]

Front looks like le triomphant, top left looks like jean bart (or forbin), top right looks like le mars

[zenith tundra]

i agree the middle ship totally looks like triomphant

can i get a pin on that? <@&472236072743600148>

[vague token]

now we can get the mathematical proof of which comps are the best

[zenith tundra]

thank you

[wooden hatch]

pls ping only one of us.
nvm it's fine to ping the role.

[zenith tundra]

ok i'll do next time

[coral wren]

oh wow, this looks p good

[stone grove]

Interesting calc there 👀

[vague token]

using this we can solve pvp!

xD

[zenith tundra]

more like i can have proof on which setups i recommend

[vague token]

i mean the best fleet is the one with the most DPS

that resist the most dps

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

eg the time to kill is 100% in your favor

outside of rng

[zenith tundra]

that would be a thing if pvp didn't have so much rng

[vague token]

na, it'd be the most meta still, since rng can swing either way

but it's still different offense vs defense

cause of the mechanics difference

[stone grove]

Hiryū exists too doesn't she gotta account for her by making her proc at time better for you

[vague token]

that's a time to kill thing

you can always push back her ttk with armor

and thus manipulate the enemy

[wraith eagle]

wasn't expecting to get pinged in pvp

[vague token]

i mean we dont have a dedicated smol mod

so he has to ping someone

xD

[eager cedar]

Oh wow, I’m +1 from where I was last season

[empty grove]

Only thing I know about TW server is they have an exclusive skin

[coral wren]

Thats sad

[zenith tundra]

skin for what ship

[empty grove]

Yamashiro

Lemme find it

[karmic forum]

Its the vacation offensive skin

[empty grove]

I don't think many people even know this one exists

[zenith tundra]

found it on the wiki

[coral wren]

I think we have an exclusive one as well. Its the nimi on.

[empty grove]

Nah

[karmic forum]

We have no exclusives

[empty grove]

All ours aren't

JP has niconico aya

[keen sparrow]

same like bili bili skin at cn

[empty grove]

CN has the bilibili jav/laffey

[coral wren]

This one isnt?

[karmic forum]

We got the nimi skin first but other servers got it eventually iirc

Same thing with cleve and enty roadtrip skins

[empty grove]

[keen sparrow]

n EN have nimi exclusive

[empty grove]

I didn't even know that skin was limited to us

[keen sparrow]

i want that sleep bunny

[coral wren]

The nimi skin was nice though. I have it equipped to her right now.

[empty grove]

I only want aya's niconico one

Which wont happen

[zenith tundra]

i still prefer bd nimi skin. the only i like for her

[keen sparrow]

nimi no pants

[empty grove]

Same likelihood of us getting Utawarerumono

[keen sparrow]

ok run time

[empty grove]

Ohh right

CN has exclusive ships too

22 & 33

[karmic forum]

Huh I could have sworn that JP/CN had that nimi skin

[empty grove]

I thought they did too

[zenith tundra]

jp didn't have sara cute skin till a while ago

[empty grove]

Is it on her skin list zack?

The nimi one

[coral wren]

I actually prefer the free one better. I like the view of the book shop nimi skin.

[karmic forum]

Is the BD skin already out?

[zenith tundra]

nope not there

[empty grove]

14th iirc

[zenith tundra]

like sara skin wasn't there till available

[empty grove]

Wtf

Sara skin was KR right

Their anni

[karmic forum]

Something like that

[empty grove]

So EN actually has an exclusive skin

[empty grove]

Yeah that one

[sour oasis]

KR

[wide minnow]

Who pinged me?

[zenith tundra]

wiki doesn't say kr for event but dunno if they list it

it was a while ago

i needed a pin

[karmic forum]

CN has the most important version exclusive in lv100 LB0 cap

[wide minnow]

Oh, sorry <3 was busy. Did it get pinned?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[wide minnow]

[zenith tundra]

thanks for answering

[karmic forum]

Oh god the things that I would do with lv100 LB0 cap

[empty grove]

It's ok

Some of our ships glitched

& you could level to 100 0lb

Never got removed either

[karmic forum]

[zenith tundra]

didn't they fix it tho?

[coral wren]

Which one? I was told one, but it was a lie.

[empty grove]

They did

[karmic forum]

I was never aware of this

[empty grove]

But if you had one at 100

It stayed 0lb 100

[coral wren]

Oh, ok o.o

[empty grove]

I'm curious if someone has one tbh

[karmic forum]

When did this happen?

[empty grove]

It was one of the german ships

[zenith tundra]

u need to lb to level again but u could have a lb0 100

[empty grove]

A DD

[coral wren]

It was this year right

[empty grove]

& recently there was one glitched too

[coral wren]

I remember one recently, cant remember name though.

[empty grove]

I think it was z36

The first one

36 or 35

[coral wren]

I think the one this year was a ship you only got one copy of.

[karmic forum]

35 was released first

[empty grove]

It actually might have been newcastle that glitched

[karmic forum]

In the IB event

[empty grove]

The recent one

[coral wren]

It was Newcastle

I couldn't remember name until you said it.

[empty grove]

Hers I wasn't even aware of until it was mentioned in the patch notes

[zenith tundra]

~~ no one leveled her ~~

[coral wren]

I leveled her up too late.

[empty grove]

She got the dorm treatment

[ripe latch]

[leaden jay]

Oh yeah, I've never figured out how sandbagging works.. how does it?

[shell heron]

It's basically camping in AL

wait for someone to move before fighting them

or in some cases, begging

[vague token]

it's literally just wait for someone else to play all their matches

because there's nothing besides the score difference that determines your bonus points

rank means nothing

fleet comp means nothing

[leaden jay]

So it's basically edging off the refresh timers?

But when do you do your attacks? Keep all 5 till near the end?

[shell heron]

no, you want a list where someone will move before the end of a reset

take that fight and do it again

[leaden jay]

I see

[raw sapphire]

I've been sandbagging for a while now without realizing it

[leaden jay]

Seems pretty pointless to sandbag

[shell heron]

It is for an easier time getting AotN

[raw sapphire]

The higher your opponent rank is the more pts. You'll get tho

[leaden jay]

[shell heron]

pure rushing is impossible to get top 100

again. it is not by rank difference.

score difference is the only factor that determines bonus points

[leaden jay]

Pure rushing as in burning all your attacks right when it refreshes?

[shell heron]

correct

[raw sapphire]

I got top1, 4 or 5 times already.. Though it's on Amagi server so you judge it

[leaden jay]

I see

That's what I do

[raw sapphire]

Pure rushing as in burning all your attacks right when it refreshes?
Doing so makes you high rank at the start but later on you will probably go down by a lot

[hot creek]

Time for me to sandbeg for Halo to do his matches

maybe he's down 5. Usually he'd have done his by now.

[shell heron]

I finished my matches out of fear of falling asleep early

better end on a +2 this reset than eating -3 matches

Early on it is difficult to know your opponent's score most of the time

without them being in the top 100

You kind of learn to judge by rank difference, but that is not what determines it

Also, I don't like taking r1 early before AotN day. AotN itself is not difficult if you casually "sandbag"

going for the useless few minutes of glory and memes with end of season top 10 is the fun part

[vague token]

if you sandbag you can be like 5+ matches down and hit aotn

with timing

[shell heron]

that is how much bonus points there is week 1

you miss that, try next season

[raw sapphire]

Honestly, pvp on Azur Lane is a bit pointless

you don't even get rewards from being top

though i like the way that is

[shell heron]

we do it for the memes.

meme on each other

[raw sapphire]

I mean

Azur Lane is a meme as a whole already 😂 😂

[frail orbit]

And imagine judging Avrora based on Amagi . . .

Fallacy at best

[coral wren]

I am lvling up my ships to catch up to kurumi flt tech. The le triomphant loading screen between matches makes her look better somehow.

[zenith tundra]

good luck catching up to kurumi

maybe in half year if u only play al all day

[upper sparrow]

[silent ocean]

finally broke into rear admiral honestly dont care about the rank but more the merits that you get for reaching it

but it does help when you get stuck behind 2 sandbaggers that get to rank 50

[coral wren]

Well i am only catching up to kurumis current tech flt...and dont expect to get it for 2 years. (Because i still work, and will be more busy in the upcoming months).

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

but I play AL all day

!

except

I sleep all day too

16hour sleep

feels very refreshing

how far behind am I

1lose0miss

very deadlist

[sour oasis]

Hmm. So increasing dorm food storage has a purpose: sleep.

[crude mortar]

yes

Isleep average 12-16hour

I wake up 16-24hour

[eager cedar]

Whale

[crude mortar]

is this count as a whale

[eager cedar]

Wanting to catch up to famine, do you have 10k tech at least

[crude mortar]

this is my 6th month

12 more month I can catch up I think

if im not getting bored of al first

[eager cedar]

Gl

[ripe latch]

ft on pvp

[elder crane]

Still, stuuuupid RN fleet tech

(KMS is just waiting on either GZ or U47 to hit 120)

[shell heron]

Too expensive atm. 10k each for lvl 7 sakura and eagle when next event is so close

[sterile bluff]

how tf do u peeps even get so much tech pts -_-

[crude mortar]

lvling ship?

[frail orbit]

[mild spruce]

Yea 120 ships provide a bit

[sterile bluff]

I don't have ships

[shell heron]

MLb ships, and 120 them

[sterile bluff]

MLb what ships

[shell heron]

those ships you will never use

[sterile bluff]

even if I do i won't have enuf tech pts

that's how sad it is

im legit thinking of grinding izumo for tech pts

[shell heron]

120 is another big chunk of points

[elder crane]

Well, it's the smallest iirc of the three

Roughly 2:3:1 ratio on collecting/MLB/120
120 usually gives the more important of the stat buffs

[sterile bluff]

there's no way ill have enuf time to 120 all the ships im never gonna use

[elder crane]

That's what 120 is mostly good for

Basically
Collecting : moderate tech, some super minor stat buff
Mlb: high tech, no stats
120: small tech, less super minor stat buff

[shell heron]

I'm looking that the points given for collect/MLB/120

120 is higher than collecting

[elder crane]

Eventually you get nothing better to do really
I'm just comm+dorm somewhat rando shitty ships to 120 at this point

[shell heron]

not by much

[elder crane]

Oh, is it? Got those switched around then

Given investment diff, mlb is still the way to go ofc

[shell heron]

for the value, MLB is just cheap

[elder crane]

RN fleet tech 8 though is

I'd need to 120 like 20 more ships for it

[sterile bluff]

i still have no idea how u get so much tech pts even if i 120 all my ships it's still nowhere remotely close

[elder crane]

Need more RN events

Again, mostly just MLB shit

I have almost everything MLB

[sterile bluff]

im saying that even if i mlb and 120 it's not even close

am i doing the math wrong or smth

nope apparently not

[elder crane]

I have exactly 28 ships of all the ships in the game that give fleet tech at not MLB

About half of those aren't even of the 4 major factions

That's basically the main thing
You're probably missing a lot of event ships

[sterile bluff]

ya don't say -_-

[elder crane]

Iirc last I did the calc
You need to have almost all available nonevent IJN at mlb to get Azuma, for example

[sterile bluff]

...

that explains it

altho i do have some event IJNs

[elder crane]

Unless you get lucky in gatcha or 120 a bunch of shit, MLB the three in ch12 is pretty much mandatory

For nonevent

[sterile bluff]

what's the three in ch12

[elder crane]

Choukai Hiyou Junyou

[sterile bluff]

i... don't know who the last 2 are

[elder crane]

It's the shitty IJN CVL pair

[vague token]

bad cvls

also one is yan so

[elder crane]

Literally worst IJN CV/L pair unit
And it's in ch12 so lol

At least blue rarity

[sterile bluff]

lemme check if i have them, what rarity are they?

blue?

ok

[vague token]

blue

[sterile bluff]

hmm don't have them rip

time to grind more

i just realized i don't have atago

not my fault cuz she's never on exchange

[ripe latch]

atago

[eager cedar]

you can also get them in w13 as well

[sterile bluff]

atago?

nani?

[elder crane]

The yous

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

But like
on that

Almost as pepega as grinding for the ryuus in ch13

[ripe latch]

3x10 , 🚮 never using

buuuut , can make meme cv

[sterile bluff]

yo

i just did some calcs

i barely have enough tech pts for azumilf if I mlb all my ijn ships

Im a god

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

[eager cedar]

by the time your azuma is dev30, pr4 would've already been out for a while

[sterile bluff]

stfu

that's not gonna happen 😠

I will catch up

I have the power of 🐳

[ripe latch]

pf , when pr1 announce , after release ppl farm 1:1 on 1-1

[crude mortar]

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra maybe try victorious as tank and formi + cent?

but reload too low

[hot creek]

Victorious you say?

[crude mortar]

why victorious

heavy armor

thats it?

[elder crane]

She also takes less BB/azuma shelling damage

but like

might as well use Taihou

[ripe latch]

imagine taihou on meme fleet

[elder crane]

Might as well use Lusty

[ripe latch]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1rE411i78V

dmg too low

[elder crane]

As if Vic damage is better enough to matter

:kek:

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

Meh

When Formi as DB carry is more successful

It talks something about being so derp for being pitz bomber

[ripe latch]

no , on cv corp someone need tanky

formi or other

so... need one

[sterile bluff]

who's the thiccest tankiest in illustrious class?

[ripe latch]

formi

[frail orbit]

Target skill wise

[sterile bluff]

not lusty? OwO

[frail orbit]

And eHP wise yes

[sterile bluff]

i thought lusty is tankiest

hold on lemme check their hp

[elder crane]

Well, Vic technically vs BB/Azuma shelling

they all have sameish base stats

sister ships and all

decreases damage taken from plunging shots (shots that travel in an arc) by 10% (20%).

[sterile bluff]

i need formi to complete my illustrious class harem

[elder crane]

on Vic

[ripe latch]

maybe with skill she can tanky ws kai?

skill

[elder crane]

keep in mind though she has that and heavy armor, she still only has 6.3k base HP

[sterile bluff]

vic?

[elder crane]

Yep

[sterile bluff]

wtf only 6.3k base hp???

[elder crane]

meanwhile all the BBs are around 8k

[frail orbit]

20% arcshot only vs 8% all type

Seems legit but

[elder crane]

that's on the higher end of CVs actually

[ripe latch]

VH

[frail orbit]

When offense kinda bonked hard

[eager cedar]

oh, thanks for reminding me, i need to 120 her

🏃

[light crystal]

[elder crane]

arcing shots is all BB shots and Azuma

[frail orbit]

Yea that we know

[elder crane]

so it's just vs plane damage and torps, which is

[frail orbit]

But when offense wise

[elder crane]

almost all of the threat is BB shots these days

[frail orbit]

Being well

[ripe latch]

boobs team with suicide planes

[frail orbit]

Unless u ran 2 831

[elder crane]

Any CV not Hiryuu is lol for defense
if you have trouble vs that, glhf

okay, I'll give a pass for Enty if you're running 3CV

Since Enty is basically normal CV counter

"lucky E"!
and then your CVs do no damage

[frail orbit]

Can be killed by 457 wakai tho

W/ hpfcr

[elder crane]

if you're running 3CV

[frail orbit]

Na I meant if enemy bb is well

457 wakai hpfcr

[crude mortar]

they heavy armor cv

they hard to die

[elder crane]

Well, aside from Hiryuu, Vic is as good as it gets for CVs

everything else gets even harder deleted

[frail orbit]

Naaaa

I meant about E

[ripe latch]

not forget about formi def skill

[sterile bluff]

ok wtf is this

lusty has lower hp than sara but has an S rating

[elder crane]

Any CV not Hiryuu is lol for defense
okay, I'll give a pass for Enty if you're running 3CV

[sterile bluff]

kore wa nan desu ka

[elder crane]

I meant if you're running 3 CV offense, then I can give you a pass for Enty also being threatening

[frail orbit]

Fuk me just going EN

[elder crane]

If it's not Hiryuu, and not Enty when you're running 3 CV, if you have any issues vs CVs as offense team,

[vague token]

i still feel like 3 cv bugs out and just loses bombs/torps

it does not do as much damage as i think it should on my vg

[crude mortar]

alow us to introduce ourself

[elder crane]

I mean, what CVs even do significant damage to vanguard lol

[sterile bluff]

...

[frail orbit]

FC Ryusei but RNGesus

[sterile bluff]

a lot of CVs do significant dmg to vg...

[vague token]

i mean triple cv should have like a 100% chance of nuking heavy zuma with just bombs

[elder crane]

Nagato-boosted Foxes
somewhat Nagato-boosted Hiryuu, and Enty

rest, if you're offense team,

[frail orbit]

If only that aiming aint revamped

[elder crane]

FC on defense is due to timing diff and bugged Cent barrage

Not really lol

+speed is always a thing

[vague token]

lazy barrage mirroring

my favorite

[elder crane]

even with Azuma slowing down setup a bit, your 500 lb bombs are mostly going to whiff

you need a speed mod or god RNG to hit those

[sterile bluff]

they don't whiff against my vg...

[hot creek]

People saying Vicc is viable?

[elder crane]

sounds like not enough +speed

[sterile bluff]

no bombs ever miss my vg

i already have boiler on yuki

im phast af boi

but still

every time a CV busts their load my vg is always changing direction aka stopping

[elder crane]

2 boilers, 1 gyro, +badge on Jun/Azuma/Noshiro can even dodge 2k bombs

needs to move straight though for that to happen

[sterile bluff]

which doesn't happen to my vg

[vague token]

2k bombs dont usually miss

but the 500 does

[elder crane]

ehh, you should be able to mostly dodge 500 lb regardless

[sterile bluff]

they always stop at the exam moment the bombs drop

[elder crane]

needs awful RNG to not

[vague token]

sadly the 2k bomb has the highest accuracy

[elder crane]

doesn't matter

[vague token]

instead of the opposite

[elder crane]

they don't stop long enough

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

yep

[sterile bluff]

but 2k bombs are the deadliest right?

[elder crane]

slightly worse dispersion, but much greater AoE

not by much

[vague token]

2k bombs have the highest damage, aoe, and base hit rate

because big brain design

[sterile bluff]

all ik is that I get fucked by some kind of bomb everytime

[vague token]

aka stuka goes in the dumpster because spamming tiny bombs means you have like base 35% hit rate

[sterile bluff]

like my vg's hp bar just collectives gets a huge chunk cut off

[vague token]

if they're in the 100 pound bomb aoe

[elder crane]

396 vs 570 base damage on heavy armor for 500 vs 2k normal bombs

[sterile bluff]

is that 500 t0?

[elder crane]

2k is less than 50% more damage than 500 lb

nope

T3

[sterile bluff]

t3?

ok

[elder crane]

standard

[vague token]

oh it's 38% on 100 pound bombs

[elder crane]

so helldiver vs heavy still does much more damage with the two 500 lbs than the 2k

[vague token]

not counting hit rate

if you adjust for base hit rate

helldiver is completely unopposed by any dive

[elder crane]

it's higher than that, on stationary targets, since dispersion formula apparently has some sort of sigma on it

[sterile bluff]

i mean...

dmg wise btd kind of comes close with 2 1.6k T0s

key word being kind of

[vague token]

btd is like 33% lower than helldiver

[elder crane]

harder to dodge 1.6k than 500lb at least
but 1.6k are much more dodgable than 2ks, so

[vague token]

because 1.6 hit rate is lower

[sterile bluff]

oh

i guess if u don't factor in hitrate they r pretty close actually

[elder crane]

not at all

[vague token]

in fact btd outperforms stuka on medium and heavy

[sterile bluff]

like theoretical dmg wise

[vague token]

cause hit rate lulz

[elder crane]

if you ignore hitrate, BTD does 20+% less damage than helldiver

[vague token]

if only cuda dive was a 2k bomb

xD

[elder crane]

fundamental problem is that the bomb base damage past 500lb doesn't really go up much

[vague token]

i mean it isnt that much of a problem, it lets us have a higher chance of actually hitting things

[elder crane]

so helldiver 3 bomb loadout is much better than BTD 2 bomb

[vague token]

like would anyone use a dive with like 10x100 pound bombs

probably not

maybe to lag someone's phone

[elder crane]

I'd use it

[frail orbit]

Same

[elder crane]

....with Formi

[frail orbit]

Quantity over quality

[vague token]

roll that 38% hit rate 10 times

you'll get 3 hits hopefully

xD

[elder crane]

it's higher than that in PvE btw

[vague token]

yeah

[sterile bluff]

2 * 429 * 1.2 = 1029.6 for BTD
456 * 1.25 + 2 * 360 * 1.1 = 1362 for helldiver

that's kind of close if u ask me

[vague token]

i think it's like 5-6 higher in pve because reasons

[elder crane]

the analysis assumed even dist
turns out, there's bias towards the center

no, more than that

100 lb on stationary target in PvE testing showed 70+% hitrate

there's a strong bias towards center in the distribution pattern

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/626a7b99f4e36cc2ed030f76a1fe5ef4

?

oh you mean the aoe

i mean the hit roll

xD

[elder crane]

the analysis assumed even dist
turns out, there's bias towards the center

that analysis is straight up wrong

[vague token]

sure would be nice if they updated it

[elder crane]

not really due to fault of author

[sterile bluff]

why is the hitrate different for pvp and pve

[elder crane]

yeah

[vague token]

also added it to en wiki

xD

so the hit rate is ALSO adjusted to the distance from center of bomb impact point?

[elder crane]

no, it's only adjusted to that in that chart

[sterile bluff]

does the bomb do less dmg if u r further from the center of impact?

[elder crane]

that chart assumes 100% hitrate on accuracy check

no, same damage

[sterile bluff]

D:

that's not fair

CV bias smh

[vague token]

i thought that chart was the accuracy check modifier

based on bomb size

[elder crane]

no

it's physical hitrate

well, attempt at physical hitrate, based off what was known

[vague token]

like a 100 pound bomb in exercise, if you are in aoe, has 38% base accuracy roll

as an example

[elder crane]

what wasn't known by author at the time was that bomb dist in the dispersion circle was even
turns out, there's bias towards the center

no

it's 38% to be in AoE

[vague token]

that isnt even useful info

xD

[elder crane]

???

[vague token]

odds of being in the aoe is useless outside of pve

cause speed

[elder crane]

they assumed a speed number and did some calcs with those assumptions or something

PvP number is mostly meant to give a sense of what the numbers are like, iirc, if I read it correctly

[vague token]

sure doesnt say that in the translation

lol

[elder crane]

blame the tl then

same stupid people who do tierlist TLs probably

[vague token]

i mean, they didnt say how they figured it

[elder crane]

you need to tl the desc for it to make sense

the OP did

I assume tl didn't though

go to CN wiki
the full calcs to reach those numbers are given in the article

Anyways, we now know physical hitrate, from testing, on PvE stationary targets, is around 70-90% or so
there's a strong bias towards central area on bomb drop dispersion
still, 100lb has significantly lower hitrates, and ofc vs anything that moves a decent amount, is super pepega

[vague token]

ok google translates things to hit rate and i pretty much only associate that with the dice roll

not the physical aoe

xD

i legit thought for a long time that bombs had different base accuracy

cause of that

sure would be nice if someone added this to en combat or something

xD

[elder crane]

at least dispersion radius on bomb chart

that at least already has splash range

[vague token]

just copy the article over and translate it properly lul

[elder crane]

info isn't correct though due to the uniform-dispersion assumption being wrong

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

do parallel tb ever hit more then 1 per plane on backlines?

[elder crane]

technically possible to clip one torp each on two backlines I think, but I think that requires them to aim at VG and then miss first

so basically
no

[zenith tundra]

can u take a look at the heavy armor damage changes in the edps ehp table pls

is it remotely ok?

[elder crane]

Seems about right
Cent can't mount VH though, so might want to remove that

[zenith tundra]

oh god forgot about it

actually did i even know that?

[elder crane]

Also, is Nagato buff broken right now?

I'm setting defense warkai and I see numbers change when I toggle Nagato buff for defense

[zenith tundra]

shouldn't be unless they broke it again

[vague token]

it shouldnt be

[elder crane]

Okay, watch what I mean

[vague token]

although there was an update this morning

so it might have broke again

[elder crane]

Do you see it?

[vague token]

no, i dont have nagato set xD

[zenith tundra]

i can check

[elder crane]

I believe this is a bug
numbers change, I think they shouldn't

[zenith tundra]

it should affect ehp

since changes opponent acc

[elder crane]

it shouldn't affect either, since opponent is warkai?

or do you need to manually keep in mind Nagato doesn't affect nonIJN and toggle it off?

[zenith tundra]

u have amagi

set at offensive target

[elder crane]

wait what

[zenith tundra]

what number change again?

oh i see

[elder crane]

okay, take 2

number still changes

Edps x eHP is now warkai on both, so toggling defensive side Nagato buff should have 0 impact

[zenith tundra]

i'm seeing it

[elder crane]

but somehow it changes

[zenith tundra]

let me check what i fucked up

i'm confused af tbh since none of the base match changes but edps does

wait isn't enemy hit used in hit%?

i just woke up

i must have screw something in crit i guess

i'm actually legit confused now tbh