i havent seen you again fam
p much impossible to roll you when you always do last minute matches
#pvp
ionic magnet
proper sorrel
/role avrora
empty grove
shell heron
Better luck catching fam before EoS
narrow meadow
it is done
eager cedar
avrora chad 
karmic forum
I've tried chasing famine before
proper sorrel
how'd go
karmic forum
Didn't end up well for me because I missed a match
And there was this other season where we were super close and we both somehow ended up dropping runs.
Or at least I think thats what happened.
shell heron
Trying to chase him when fam likes cutting it close 
Although I cut it closer this time
zenith tundra
did anyone manage 3 bonuses? what rank u at 
shell heron
Im working on a 2nd
ionic magnet
yea and here i thought finishing with 3 mins remaining is already close af
karmic forum
I could eat a guy whos 2 matches ahead of me but I think I'll wait
zenith tundra
i think i landed on sandbaggers after 2nd
karmic forum
Same
narrow meadow
same as well
karmic forum
Anyone know if this Councilor guy is a sandbagger?
narrow meadow
you know what really grinds my gears? enterprise 1v1s
shell heron
Couldn't afford to reset with 1 min left
karmic forum
Probably a long shot but I know some of you keep sheets
zenith tundra
the only thing that bothers me is 3x opponent nagato barrage
shell heron
Oh. You never seen nanoda duels
narrow meadow
also requesting a sandbagger check
shell heron
Rare but they happen
narrow meadow
i've had a nanoda duel actually!
zenith tundra
205 should be low 5 attempts at least avrora
shell heron
None I recognize
karmic forum
zrqv rushes iirc
narrow meadow
neat!
ionic magnet
wait do cay zack do you still need data for seaman rank
zenith tundra
sure
karmic forum
But maybe hes also waiting for a few early bonuses
ionic magnet
i got a rank 65
zenith tundra
just post/add
karmic forum
Yeptune also seems familiar
zenith tundra
it would be more interesting if it wasn't a sandabagger
narrow meadow
yeah i had my eye on him too, seems like a sandbagger
empty grove
That hololive fleet
narrow meadow
ye for sure
karmic forum
Now I feel silly with my 120 fubuki
eager cedar
so close to greatness...
narrow meadow
love that ookami skin
proper sorrel
love ayame
shell heron
Missing one lvl 120. 
eager cedar
i still appreciate the ark, ijn lolis 120 fleets
karmic forum
If they're level 120 sure
karmic forum
Oh hi
zenith tundra
F
ionic magnet
karmic forum
I'm not rushing so RIP
eager cedar
proper sorrel
i feel like that is a sand bagger
empty grove
This is like
proper sorrel
eager cedar
lol
hot creek
Extended r1 session
narrow meadow
my fav from 2 weeks ago, anyone know him?
empty grove
To love ru huh
narrow meadow
his commander lvl is a thing of beauty
empty grove
karmic forum
Holy
eager cedar
i can respect that
karmic forum
TLR fan also appreciated
empty grove
Georgia is the MC
zenith tundra
120 ships at lvl 69... nice dorm grind
empty grove
Dorm & comm
narrow meadow
id totally watch to love ru with tomboy georgia mc
karmic forum
Should have named her Rito then
narrow meadow
that would be money
eager cedar
oh my list is moving again
hot creek
maybe he's just stuck in fox mines 
eager cedar
karmic forum
I'm still waiting for someone to flex lv1 oathed Namaryuu.
zenith tundra
impossible
empty grove
Nah
karmic forum
Possible with the shrine thing
empty grove
I don't think 6 is, but level 1 oath is possible
There was a bug with the shrine boost
& it'd push it over 90
karmic forum
They had two chances earlier
empty grove
So maybe assuming they had 90 on all 6
narrow meadow
i guess my reason for not getting isuzu after so long is that i made it out of the fox mines at lvl 60 with akagi MLBd entirely with fox mines
karmic forum
And then hopefully two more is enough to get the full roster
zenith tundra
sure with a bug of something that isn't even in game rn
narrow meadow
i've still yet to launch either of them
karmic forum
Would need some legendary levels of planning though
eager cedar
isuzu farm, at least you can use dirt cheap fleet for her
zenith tundra
got my 93 finally
karmic forum
What was the rank of the last guy you attacked?
zenith tundra
265
karmic forum
I don't think my guy will move anymore
I might just get it over with and take a 92 or 91
shell heron
Same. Still at r500
zenith tundra
i wasted 3 refreshes to avoid low levels. now no one will move next reset
karmic forum
Oh good it ended up being a 29
narrow meadow
should i wait on zrqv or yeptune?
narrow meadow
ill wait til 1 hour before reset and check
this looks familiar
proper sorrel
i regret skipping hololive
proper sorrel
what.
narrow meadow
muh dock space
zenith tundra
proper sorrel
coral wren
Whats your opinion on this set up?
zenith tundra
there are quite a few better choices then portland tbh
proper sorrel
if you have nagato, i swear you can make a better fleet
since isss was a trillion years ago in my head
coral wren
Im looking for something different than the normal metas.
proper sorrel
suruga
narrow meadow
the only thing not meta there is portland tho
zenith tundra
non meta using the most meta backline...
coral wren
My suruga is still being lvled up
zenith tundra
namagi tosa is off meta but should still work
coral wren
Well im in the process of it.
My tosa is also still being lvled up
This is my selection of lvl 120 ships.
narrow meadow
it's time to let cleveland shine tbh
zenith tundra
don't ask me for off meta stuff. i don't like off meta stuff
proper sorrel
idk do a kms fleet or smth
zenith tundra
i haven't tested it and any advice i would give would be pure speculation
eager cedar
you dont really want to put meta stuff for beginning of the season
youll scare the casual rushers rushers away
coral wren
Or i really should say, i want to see if there are any unknown metas.
proper sorrel
maybe
zenith tundra
i use fdg azuma as defense in en
in jp i just set whatever fleet i'm using for offense
proper sorrel
i use WaSD+Centaur on my defense
zenith tundra
my current jp defense is namagi tosa because still using it for some reason
eager cedar
I’m using this 
coral wren
This is my defense
zenith tundra
narrow meadow
whole terrace
I don't normally cut it that close, I woke up late. Had a terrible morning 
After that rush, I can confidently say QE Ws Monarch isn't t0.5 lol
I almost got stalled out by Galafrion, I went like 0-3
hot creek
lol I wouldnt put that comp that high either. downgrade to t1.5-t2
whole terrace
I feel like it does a lot better vs namaspite than namaryuu
whole terrace
No one really uses Namabaka or Namahyuu either so idk if they're needed
ionic magnet
kinda want to wait for someone to have d30 fdg + 457 first before testing those again
whole terrace
Yeah. As much as i use ws monarch qe and wmc, idk how they'll do vs dev 30 fdg
narrow meadow
my opponent was rank 27 which i beat but now my new opponents are just awful
94 is fine tho i guess
on pace for high-130s
whole terrace
For testing against the 457, again there's houtarou
@narrow meadow normally the people at the very start of the season are all rushers, so I'm sure u'll find more bonuses if that's what ur going for
I'm missing them all because real life is in the way
proper sorrel
but they usually don't attack until later cos it's mid night
whole terrace
Not everywhere, it's morning in europe, 9.40am in uk
proper sorrel
forgot time zones existed
whole terrace
narrow meadow
ive done 3 exercises so far and im straddling between people who are petty officer and seaman
so im guessing these are just regular guys who burned all 5 so far, they're low lvl 80s anyway
light crystal
All just chilling up there 
narrow meadow
let juneau OUT
ripe latch
proper sorrel
how'd they get there
narrow meadow
the lead ship was scared of being forced to die again
light crystal
Boilers + Fighting VG at the last moment.
forest lake
Oh shit I had a rusher on reset but I forgot to attack
zenith tundra
@whole terrace do u have 457? again that tl is based on that and having azuma maxed as well that should help in vg
hms also does much better against no cv comps. i can guarantee u it beats namagi fdg easily as well as any of the new t0 teams
also just use amagi instead of qe if u have vg problems
whole terrace
I hope ur right
The issue with that is most people using the tierlist won't have ws with 457 or max azuma for a while
zenith tundra
there is a red text saying what is based on and will be temporary for at least 1-2 months
whole terrace
Hmm it still doesn't sit right with me atm, but i can see how a qe-boosted ws with 457 could close the gap between the comp and namaryuu
zenith tundra
plus if people find that hms does poorly i can always down tier it. nothing that is in the list tier wise is final
elder crane
Didn't you just say you didn't test HMS?
NGA btw apparently thinks HMS doesn't do well iirc
zenith tundra
i tested against namagi fdg just never against namaryuu
it doesn't do worse then mirror namagi fdg tbh. like everything just looses to that if un very bad rng
whole terrace
where can i find nga pvp tierlist?
zenith tundra
just check the description there is a time link. anything can lose to that
losing 70% hp to 2 shelling from fdg
zenith tundra
whatever i'll just down tier hms and monarch amagi ws so people don't complain
whole terrace
i was personally talking about qe ws monarch. wfc t0.5 sounds right judging from u and hooloo's videos
zenith tundra
this is 5-0 without matches even being close
unless terrible rng i don't see it losing to namagi fdg
any ws team also won't do much anyway since qe can just double evasion tank ws
and u lose nothing overall
even this is pretty good
u don't use hms vg that's a terrible idea. u need azuma to do vg work
i'll use hms in hoth servers this season to see differences
elder crane
I'm almost certain Amagi is a better choice for it than QE is
HMS vanguard is 
well, maybe not vs Hiryuu team
15% FP/Rld/AA on QE is much better than the just ~7.5% dred Amagi provides vs CVs
zenith tundra
the problem is the dmg reduction applied to vg as well
if u run usual hms vg only 1 vg will benefit from aa
the worse case scenario for hms vs hiryuu is losing vg too early which is a problem for ijn bb teams as well
elder crane
mmm, with WS focus fire, shouldn't that not really be a risk?
zenith tundra
in the end it will depend how much namaryuu defense will be meta after people get fdg. beating namaryuu and full bb teams is a different story
zenith tundra
early season i can't test either
elder crane
I'll try out WS Monarch Amagi for a season I suppose
might as well wait for dev 25 Azuma before Lusty FC memes
Also
WS Amagi Hiryuu did pretty well last season
I went 4-1 vs the guy who was rank 1 before last reset (Namaryuu Jun Azuma (felt dev 25+) Ykkz)
Lots of Hiryuu vs Hiryuu at end though
the one I lost, his Nagato didn't barrage at all so Jun didn't sink, and somehow my Hiryuu at bottom opposite his hiryuu got proced like 25 s in 
the only other reset I had to do the entire season was Namaryuu torpmemes who somehow proc'd Hiryuu 10 s in 
I actually lost vanguard fight a lot though (well, relatively speaking, normally it's autowin for offense)
Not having Nagato accuracy boost hurts a lot...
whole terrace
HMS vanguard is
QE boosted neptune should be better than 99% of jun-x-yuki choices right?
Maybe azuma is just that high-impact
zenith tundra
i think dido has better dps and azuma better overall
neptune ap doesn't really help her dps
azuma is that impactful tbh. she can both stall and kill vg at the same time
whole terrace
I felt their dps was similar and neptune felt way tankier to me
hitting two targets is nice tho
zenith tundra
how much did ur dido do?
whole terrace
normally 10-15k
elder crane
that's respectable in a warkai HMS fleet, I think
main fleet does a lot of damage, so there's not that much to go around for Dido
also she's mostly DpS on vanguard I assume, which will give lower numbers since higher evasion rate
whole terrace
with twin 100 + 40% rld buff she spams her barrage every 10-15 seconds, and when it misses vg it normally hits main fleet
elder crane
I wonder if Dido should use the single 130
barrage spam and all
DpS is only slightly lower than 138 for much faster firing
zenith tundra
i wouldn't bother barrage spamming when u have ws and monarch doing backline work and vg is more of a problem
switching dido out for yukikaze was actually an improvement overall
elder crane
Dido barrage is fairly wide and high damage, no?
shouldn't it hit vanguard a bit?
pretty sure it doesn't need to hit vanguard much for 130 to be better, lemme check
zenith tundra
should but mg is more consistent at that anyway
whole terrace
i actually tested it with solo Dido vs meme fleet, with twin 100/ single 130 / twin 127, and just observed how many bullets hit/missed. Single 130 does miss a lot more tbh
zenith tundra
single 130 has terrible spread
whole terrace
in fact main gun misses a lot more than u'd expect in general
zenith tundra
barrage is just as random tho
elder crane
Huh, 130 on Dido loses a lot of gun DpS
High reload + high FP buff
naive dome
in the 1st day, If I sandbag, I should only start my pvp after the 2nd refresh, right ?
zenith tundra
u can wait for 2nd reset or u can just get easy bonuses after season reset
elder crane
loses ~12% of her main gun DpS
yeahhh that'd do it
barrage doesn't make up for that
naive dome
@zenith tundra what bonuses?
zenith tundra
if u wait for 2nd reset u can get lucky with high bonuses while camping season reset is usually more consistent
bonus score....
what u sandbag for, u know
naive dome
oh i thought you were talking about bonus exclusive to season reset, I derp
elder crane
the problem with that is that you need to get lucky to have bonuses on more matches
if you take bonuses as they come, you can get bonuses on most matches you do early on
Like
sure
you can get a +42 start
but that's "just" 17 points of bonuses
If you do it early and, say, get +35, that's 7 less bonus, but early on, that's pretty much just 1 match of bonuses
so if waiting that long means you end up taking 1 match less with bonus, it's a wash. two and you're actually behind....
zenith tundra
the usual season camping start is 93 in 3 attempts (+33 +31 +29) and then it depends. u wait for 2nd reset so u can get another +28/+33 from 4th attempt and then last one is luck
ending with scores around 120-125 after 4th is good since u end up with same score as rushers
so there are good chances for people to rush again
elder crane
wiki has the VT on the single 130 mm wrong
so the gun is worse than the numbers they give
it's 0.24 s (2x0.12 s)
zenith tundra
lol
elder crane
that's longer VT than all the other good DD guns
coral wren
amagi monarch ws.. any replacement for monarch if i dont have her d30
zenith tundra
nagato
zenith tundra
don't have her leveled up
elder crane
oh no nvm
she needs 3 other HMS to get buff at all
yeah lol no
1 HMS vanguard is bad enough
Cent might be an option?
zenith tundra
might work with ws 457 but u don't really have sniping potential
not sure if u need it tho with cent
too many things to try.... if only we could do that whenever we want
elder crane
Well, Amagi+Warkai focus from my experience still kills target with warkai's 25s barrage, with Hiryuu as third
zenith tundra
not when u get lucky list
i saw some amagi last 30s plus with monarch ws focus so idk
frail orbit
Well thing is VH Rudder Amagi cucked u
Which is why am relegating my Amagi to def fleet just to cuck u guys
Wait what's the context
Amagi on attack or def?
zenith tundra
defense
zenith tundra
that doesn't really change my point that ws amagi cent might not have enough dmg to snipe
zenith tundra
he said he doesn't have monarch dev 30
frail orbit
zenith tundra
so altrrnatives were nagato hiryuu and blue said cent as well
the problem with cent is also that she cannot tank ws like hiryuu
zenith tundra
it was an hipotesis
frail orbit
Cent too fragile of a CVL
zenith tundra
she does get less damage penalty
frail orbit
Place her into a safe spot, still derp anyway
zenith tundra
and also clears vg better then hiryuu
frail orbit
Besides, true potential of her torps are like, only achievable w/ Formi or Monarch. Or QE.
And QE debatable
Yeah but when Hiryuu just stalls out
zenith tundra
monarch
zenith tundra
monarch barrage doesn't slow vg since it's aimed to main
zenith tundra
wmc is focus down 1 plus vg pressure
whole terrace
It's more like centaur's that fast
Cent can slow vg and Warkai’s third salvo can wreck vg
At least with beacon
Cent is alright solo, her strength solo is outpacing a lot of stuff including war kai BB shots. Centaur outpacing opponent Warkai in last stand situations has won me a lot of matches
Solo meaning without formi i mean
frail orbit
Which pits her into a more derp place. No rudder and avgas is a must right?
whole terrace
Avgas isn't really a must imo
zenith tundra
yeah u don't really need avgas
frail orbit
Fighter bomb drops tho but yeah, not kinda needed come to think of it
zenith tundra
cent won't outpace 457 ws
frail orbit
Since her bulk dmg comes from like, her TBs
whole terrace
yeah that's true
elder crane
In any case, Nagato or Hiryuu pretty much
Cent probably passable
and that's about it
frail orbit
He doesnt have Nagato tho, isnt he?
elder crane
Hiryuu then 
frail orbit
Or did he hv her?
zenith tundra
he only said no dev 30 monarch. how would we know
frail orbit
D30 monarch ez anyway
1 month of cube rese and done
If u still focused on PR1 that is
Either coob rese or face coin rese
whole terrace
elder crane
1 to 30 on cube spam takes almost 2 months... so ehhh
though I assume he's part done
also
giving up on Azuma prints
I'd rather just use Hiryuu
whole terrace
zenith tundra
past egret
@whole terrace those are bots
My recent video had 6 wanna be friends comments as soon as it was posted
@zenith tundra u post pvp videos why don’t u have purple role?
zenith tundra
never asked for it
naive dome
what's the best non-event non-PR pvp fleet ?
finite valve
hms or any fleet that use enty i say
sour oasis
Is there a cap to the ladder-poont bonus?
zenith tundra
wdym by ladder-poont bonus
past egret
@naive dome WASDE + helena
zenith tundra
hms fun
shell heron
Didnt we confirm that the most points you can get is ((rank*2)-1)
Not really confirm but it seems to be the case
zenith tundra
yes but i don't understand gibberish
we had 3 cases at different ranks and all had same exact result
i'm 99% sure it's that
shell heron
Sounds right. Good enough evidence to support that idea
ripe latch
swiftsure still trash on pvp?
zenith tundra
1 day when planes will be relevant maybe she can join
trim bough
im so close
zenith tundra
against namagi ws somehow ws monarch cent feels the best lol
out of the 3 monarch ws teams
and ofc as soon as i said that i would've lost
but overall still feels the best
midnight heron
i spawned into dead list 
zenith tundra
weird enough namagi tosa doesn't lose at all against same comp where all hms seem to have around 75-85% wr
anyway downtiered the 2 hms to t2
ripe latch
proper sorrel
no one has moved for me in the past 11 hours
zenith tundra
my 5th is scuffed i think. i have someone low level that's 3k rank and everyone else stuck. i'll just wait for a bit before choosing to attack or not
coral wren
Better than my group, that isnt moving e.e
sour oasis
@zenith tundra did you manage to AotN last season?
proper sorrel
oof
sour oasis
In the feels
Avrora still not dead yet
crude mortar
avrova sv cannot die if it isn't alive to begin with
eager cedar
This is a pretty bad list thus far
narrow meadow
good spot to be in after 5?
zenith tundra
a bit on the low side but it doesn't really matter that much
coral wren
Better than my 141 score.
Had bad luck on last 2
narrow meadow
making my first run on aotn and I'm gonna need all the bonus I can get
I'd say I got two bad matchups
I was on 94 after 3 as well, waste of a start
ionic magnet
140 is my average for first 5
shell heron
I get mid 140s average
narrow meadow
I probably could have waited longer
didn't have an ensign in my last opponent options
coral wren
I have quite a bit of sand baggers in my list. Hoping i get to one up them instead of vice versa.
ionic magnet
yea p much 140-145 is normal to me
karmic forum
Hopefully one of my guys does a last minute rush otherwise I'll take a +28 or something
shell heron
I still get 2590+ with 140 starts easy
assuming I don't get stalled, drop matches, or lose one
zenith tundra
i might actually not play this one at all. i already dropped 1 in jp and don't feel like missing sleep
shell heron
sleeping at 2-3AM everyday for PvP is pretty taxing
narrow meadow
just live in Pacific time, ez
crude mortar
our mighty hero has fallen
zenith tundra
tbh i prefer not having good scores in jp. i can just waste refreshes left and right for good comps rather then avoid -1
raw sapphire
What torpedos are better? 533 or 510?
empty grove
I had a 138 last season
raw sapphire
610*
empty grove
zenith tundra
magnetic always in pvp
karmic forum
awww shit I hit a sandbagger
eager cedar
Hmm 148
shell heron
Pvp wise. Between those 2. 533
shell heron
But yes. Mags
crude mortar
time to not lose 1 and tilt
zenith tundra
nothing happens if u lose 1. just don't lose 7-8
crude mortar
i lose1
shell heron
- Better start than most seasons
crude mortar
then I give up
the moment I lose 1 cya next season
healthy sleep> lose 1 and still bagging
empty grove
You can always just rush at that point
shell heron
EoS top 10 might still be possible.
empty grove
Still better than dropping
shell heron
Let me see what was last season’s cutoff
crude mortar
after lose 1 I just rush and sleep
shell heron
Oh. 2590
vague token
144 start xD
karmic forum
Landed on 3 high level players, time to find out of they're sandbaggers
zenith tundra
145 time to quit
shell heron
Maybe 1s with centaur launching first.
TBs don’t release their load immediately
Haven’t played that comp myself
shell heron
gib data 
wait you have permissions
if you're worried about timing. ryuusei on centaur and cuda on formi
closer difference
karmic forum
Super lucky to get one right at the start of the reset
shell heron
Theres a decaying slow after formi procc
zenith tundra
isn't formie barrage better then a 2nd cuda?
zenith tundra
i was confused but triple cuda thing
u said
timing is relative to where vg is at the moment of launch
it's gambling with ryuusei tbh
zenith tundra
if the vg is far from cv a longer gap would work better for ryuusei if the vg is close it's better a shorter gap. not to mention that somehow even how much on the sides it is also affects timings. i would just forget ryuusei if u want consistency
frail orbit
Depends whether u kill VGs reliably or not
W/o Juneau it's difficult on my part
W/ Juneau it's 3 Cuda supremacy anyway
Also would have much preferred 3 Cuda if using KFC anyway. Better VG suppression
Naaahhhh
831 on 4mi
I said 3 cuda bkoz well
831 is a cuda too
With using 3 cuda on WFC
U need to make sure timing for Wakai MG basically ensured for an occasional VG shot proc'd by Formi ZA WARUDO
@zenith tundra that's at least what I felt about using FC comp
zenith tundra
i never have to bother since formie cannot launch at 15s
frail orbit
There's a reason I'd have much preferred 406skc or 381 triple tbh if for the vg kill
@zenith tundra not even to proc divine marksman, what are u about? I meant her MG
zenith tundra
457 hsfcr
frail orbit
If only me on EN got it anyway
Nah
831 + Cuda + Alba
Cent on Cuda too
Maximum crash dmg
vague token
currently my formi triggers just after taihou (level 115) xD
but she uses the flood torp bomber
and dive cuda
zenith tundra
831 is not much slower then fighters
vague token
yeah 831 has nice speed
upper sparrow
crude mortar
zack then:sleep is overrated
zack now:I rather sleep
zenith tundra
keen sparrow
keen sparrow
eager cedar
crude mortar
anotheronebitedadust
im out of refresh
cuz I refresh all of it after first reset and got all lv 110+
x4
all
shell heron
Refresh early if your list looks dead
zenith tundra
For the update at the end of May, we are adding SSR Submarine Albacore to the PvP Merit Shop!
※ The specific time of her addition will be announced later in future patch notes.
wow
something less useful couldn't have choose
sour oasis
... Why the merit shop? This sounds perfect for core garbage shop
zenith tundra
who tf even knows
sour oasis
Might as well throw her into exchange SR
naive dome
is suruga or hiryuu better as counter against warspite ?
proper sorrel
just don't let warkai target suruga if you're gonna use her
zenith tundra
hiryuu is better overall while suruga should be able to tank more
there is no reason for suruga to not tank. she is useless outside of dr skill anyway
proper sorrel
like
vague token
if you dont have cavalla she's just ehhhh
proper sorrel
i prefer i-13 or smth
empty grove
So are they making PVP shop a USS faction dump now
vague token
kek
vague token
that shield skill triggers way too late
if it triggered i dunno, 10 seconds in
or something
would be useful
or instead of focused shot, gain damage based on damage taken
but these are ye olde ships
so
and then i would adjust washington to gain a target mark like warspite instead of 20% damage buff and 30% damage share on the most recent main fleet ship that damaged her
honestly i dunno why she even takes sodak's damage
i would have it adjust her barrage to aim at that target, and tighten her spread (no damage boost)
actually, a better rework would be sodak taunts the enemy main furthest away. while an enemy is taunted they have the warspite mark effect. sodak guards reducing damage taken from the marked target, less on all others.
wash would get gun priority at the taunted target.
frail orbit
Historical accuracy?
I meant both of em being kinda brash to each other IRL so . . .
vague token
which is why we remove damage share xD
replace with dr and warspite marks
taunted enemy focuses sodak, wash focuses taunted enemy
barrage adjusted to aim at that target
xD
frail orbit
But the the problem still the same
No real overkill loaded dmg
Washy barrage being timed, it's usable for curved dmg of multiple waves mobs
But not for PVP if for me
Heck they're just considered as anti meta to Akaga tbh
ripe latch
@past egret still w8 u on top100 
storm jewel
for Juneau, you guys prefer to oath her for pvp or not (not in the case you want her to die fast to trigger the skill)
karmic forum
Oathing her offers more benefits than not oathing
But she doesn't benefit as much from it compared to other ships
storm jewel
hmm ok
elder crane
Current issue is more Jun dying too early than too late
if you really need her to sink fast, lead with double boilers or something
that'll get her killed by first torpedo volley a decent chunk of the time 
eager cedar
its perfectly fine of not oathing her and still do well in pvp
past egret
@ripe latch I think I missed a match 
343 score 5 matches left
Top 10-20 is like 20 score ahead if I full rush
Going off this at least
Could just be early season rusher advantage
zenith tundra
352 6/10... and my 2nd reset was utter 🚮
karmic forum
I would post my score but I'm afraid I'll jinx it
tranquil dock
i am wondering which aux gear combo would be better for Amagi PVP (veteran but got her during the most recent Crimson Echoes)... 2x gold SG Radar or SG+gold White Shell?
from what i know, BB's need massive accuracy boost for PVP 🤔
she'll be running in tandem with Nagato, Warspite, Juneau, Belfap and Yukikaze
karmic forum
I'd go double SG
tranquil dock
because of EVA and high ACC boost? which will counter the overevasion that leaves ships underperforming dmg wise
karmic forum
Both seem pretty useful
tranquil dock
i think the same, but cant decide atm. she's being in the process of being geared up and leveled up, 10 more days maximum and shes at lvl 120
shell heron
My 2nd reset was good for once. Im ready for a scuffed season
ripe latch
choose food 
zenith tundra
depends on amagi role tbh. sg white/hsfcr is good if u are using hiryuu to tank. with ws sg rudder/armor for tanking
tranquil dock
i dont have hsfcr, missed the original fallen wings event by a couple of months
only completed it in the war archives
for hiryuu id use pearl tears on her, this is troll aux in her case tbh
amagi will run with nagato and warspite
um her role... deal as much damage as possible 
along with nagato and warspite
last time i listened to some online guides on google docs etc outside of this channel
i ended up losing almost every single game due to over evasion on the ships (under performing offense as a result)
learned that lesson
eager cedar
zenith tundra
en meta isn't at the point where u need to run evasion on every ship yet
7:17 this is what can happen when fdg and 457 come into play
and my ws was using rudder too
ripe latch
formi & cent meta?
@zenith tundra maybe namaryuu 0.5 , not 1?
ppl still play this comp
zenith tundra
it doesn't really change tbh it's still better then other comps that would be t1 in old tl and now are t2
try and beat any ws with 457 with nakaga u auto lose since is impossible to keep a fox alive to 2nd airstrike
both namagi ws and hms beat them to almost 70-80% wr on defense
hot creek
Kaga seems more of a top position ship, if you know what I mean. 
zenith tundra
i think that positioning was based on old tb that would aim more bot
elder crane
Try to beat a decently well set up team that has Hiryuu with Nakaga and you're gonna have a bad time
Final counter just wrecks any strategy that tries to be fast that can't snipe/counter her
zenith tundra
maybe ws akaga can be tiered but why use that
elder crane
You're much better off with Wskai foxes
yeah
Just run two better ships to pair with WSkai
ripe latch
tosa 457
zenith tundra
i don't see tosa doing good without nagato
elder crane
Quite a few teams I've experimented with basically end up being
"steamrolls everything else, perhaps even better than meta does, but can't deal with Hiryuu at all...."
hot creek
wfc vs namagiryuu matchup is very highly dependent on having your VG alive. I always laugh when people suggest Aurora over Sirius. Nah dawg, gonna need that big tiddy armor. Every single point of VG tankiness you can get 
zenith tundra
i'm fairly confident namagi tosa falls in the same category
i don't see it beating namaryuu easily
hot creek
Noshiro aint a bad option for wfc either
zenith tundra
still haven't found 1 to properly test
elder crane
that's why you FC Hiryuu
no u
zenith tundra
last season i was hunting +1 and had to switch comp because a namaryuu was beating namagi tosa but that was only 1 try
hot creek
FC Hiryuu is cool and all, until you lose a VG fight.
elder crane
Can't lose a vanguard fight if you kill theirs within 25 s
zenith tundra
u can still lose if ur cv die right after 1st airstrike or even before
elder crane
Before 1st strike is
nothing in EN can do that without warkai
and then they have to be running both warkai and Hiryuu (or Enty), otherwise you can just tank focus with own Hiryuu
one CV dead after 1st strike isn't too big of a deal tbh
just comes down to how lucky trades were/will be
Hiryuu does Hiryuu things after their vanguard is dead
tranquil dock
🤔 what aux gear would be really good for amagi then? 2x SG or 1xSG+1xWS? or 1xSG+1xArmor/Rudder? 🤔
elder crane
true cuck of that team is Eld
who tf runs Eld
that's so 2k18
stop walling me 
All three of those are viable under diff circumstances
zenith tundra
depends on what u need her to do
elder crane
you can even armor+rudder with some teams
zenith tundra
what comp are u using?
tranquil dock
shes still being leveled up, i would use the following comp: Nagato, Amagi, Warkai, Juneau, Belfap (pearl tears), Yukikaze(extinguisher+toolbox)
doubt she can do much at level 76 atm
elder crane
You probably want to run Amagi more defensively with that
zenith tundra
sg rudder is ok overall u don't need to swap vs ws and can still do some dmg
elder crane
Given you still have Nagato, armor+rudder is probably too meme, so just SG+Rudder
tranquil dock
damn, i mostly use rudders for CA's in PVE 
elder crane
2 SG is also not out of the question
but then you probably want to run warkai tankier
elder crane
Especially Nagato
tranquil dock
elder crane
Literally, SG+White shell does more average damage than double shell on Nagato
and is tankier ofc
coral wren
Think we are getting richelieu during hymm of the heavens event?
tranquil dock
so i guess sg+white would be better on warkai too then
zenith tundra
will en even get that?
tranquil dock
iris rerun? gosh i already have all ships from previous event
tranquil dock
or i may be confusing stuff
hot creek
So is 457 better on ws or fdg? Assuming you only have one 457 to pass around.
elder crane
WS ofc
tranquil dock
welp, more girls 😄
elder crane
unless you feel lucky
technically FdG has better main guns, I think
but no guaranteed targeting
hot creek
Always lucky, thats my secret.
zenith tundra
just use namagi fdg and u don't need to choose
elder crane
or Namagi WS
zenith tundra
the only team that would ever use both together is with amagi
that team as pretty much all teams have it's own weakness
u cannot beat opponent proccing everything since u only have ever so much dmg
hot creek
The amagi/ws/fdg team seems hype af.
I might have to finally oath amagi/juneau/yuki for full white borders.
zenith tundra
at 3 nagato barrages u should reset against namagi fdg since it's very hard to come back from that but anything without ur nagato keeping up with opponent nagato would reset
elder crane
tbh
I find that it doesn't matter too much if it's Nagato barraging or Amagi barraging
I usually count the sum of the two
coral wren
So what your saying is, we are getting side by side events with no break in between.
Well at least its during corona virus season.
elder crane
if you're at -3, just give up pretty much, yeah
zenith tundra
thing is amagi ws fdg only has 1 rng barrage and amagi uses defensive gear anyway
how do u calculate 3 down when opponent has 2 and u 1
elder crane
in a mirror-eqsue setting, -3 is almost unrecoverable
-2 is the borderline
anything -1 or better in RNG should nearly always be a win
FdG main guns ofc somewhat throw a wrench in the works
adjust based off expected
it's the difference of the "difference from expected barrage count"
with mirror ofc the expected barrage count is the same, so simplifies
zenith tundra
i think against namagi fdg i would setup with fdg mid tanking nagato and ws sniping amagi and then nagato
i didn't test this setup enough tho. when i tried was amagi mid and fdg on amagi
also i usually prefer to avoid ws and fdg focus on same target. it makes fdg barrage way less useful after that ship dies
u are just forced into it by opponent ws bot
elder crane
can't ws v ws?
zenith tundra
not really when u have ws dealing 30k+ dmg and the other 2 combined less
elder crane
ah, WS needs to damage carry
zenith tundra
maybe i could try more offensive setup on amagi but i don't have another hsfcr for that and idk what to use otherwise
double sg might be the alternative
all other offensive setups i think would be too risky for how important she is alive
silent ocean
when you only have yukikaze left and the enemy has fdg and amagi but both are sub 10% health XD
vague token
silent ocean
luckly her low nul damage chanced proc on everything was little nerve racking like O.O
eager cedar
midnight heron
sandbag more so u got less chance to face them :^)
eager cedar
if my list could move, that be great
proper sorrel
more like no one is attacking in amagi server
coral wren
Im considering rushing right now to catch up with other rushers so i can make more points than im making now.
eager cedar
real notch
zenith tundra
weird for someone that never comes around here
vague token
he's alive
he missed the two weeks or w/e of actual different fleets cause nagato buff was bugged
xD
proper sorrel
meh
zenith tundra
outside of randomness it wasn't much of a thing. most teams were just ws enty comps anyway
light crystal
Looks pretty good
light crystal
Fairly closed. My Juneau basically insta died , but Noshi + YKKZ hand in there very well against 3 healthy VG's lol
zenith tundra
it's a torp meme comp. won't force a reset unless ur vg is almost deleted
light crystal
Somohow Noshi/YKKZ didn't take any dmg, just Juneau instant dying. It helped that Nagato proc'd twice I guess lol
quartz scaffold
I sandbagged so far this season and I have 433 points in 20 exercises. The reference in the pins is 452. Am I doing it right?
zenith tundra
i missed 1 attempt and i have 443
ur score seems every low
unless u missed attempts
quartz scaffold
crude mortar
got 440 5/10 no miss with very healthy sleep
zenith tundra
and dead list i assume
shell heron
It’s been 12 minutes. Not everyone rush on reset
zenith tundra
more like no one moved at all
coral wren
I dont think much ppl are moving.
zenith tundra
gg
coral wren
Is famine that powerful you cant beat in pvp?
coral wren
Famine is also sandbagger right?
zenith tundra
yes
coral wren
Pvp has been filled with lvl 80s-100s, what happened to all the lower leveled players?
zenith tundra
they leveled up
coral wren
That was pretty fast.
zenith tundra
might not be playing anymore too. who knows
coral wren
not even season reset had any lvl 60s, lul
zenith tundra
or maybe they all went to play on amagi
coral wren
Why would they move on to another server though? You’d lose progress.
zenith tundra
depends how much u played. if u played 1-2 weeks is not that much
coral wren
Yeah, fair point
quartz scaffold
When do I use reset when sandbagging
zenith tundra
when people in list don't move at all
quartz scaffold
How do i know that
coral wren
I heard that even in amagi, no one is moving.
zenith tundra
from last season, on amagi seems like few people can actually do pvp since level difference is big between ships
if u cannot beat opponents u cannot really sandbag or rush
if after a certain amount of time no one moves u are better off using a refresh. the earlier the refresh is used the less chances to refresh into people that used their attempts already but that's less of an issue early season
quartz scaffold
Thanks
hot creek
amagi is just full of pro sandbaggers
zenith tundra
rush to know
zenith tundra
just get ur bonus and get a new list
zenith tundra
+1/2 still a bonus
zenith tundra
+2
zenith tundra
famous last words
eager cedar
thats rather unlucky
vague fractal
I can come here for help with my pvp team?
hot creek
Of course.
proper sorrel
it looks like a regular boss fleet to me
proper sorrel
but what kinds of equipes
vague token
essex/saratoga are better than intrepid technically
proper sorrel
i don't know what ships you currently have, so i can't judge if it's 'trash' at your level or not
vague fractal
Well, they are my highest level
hot creek
When you're still new, optimizing pvp shouldn't be your main concern. Usually I suggest you just use your highest leveled girls and see how far they get. Also work on upgrading equipment and continue grinding levels.
Hood and Enty are pretty decent "pvp starter" ships though
karmic forum
Amagi server was basically hood server when it started out
vague fractal
I do have a few fleets over 100, but I need those extra buulins and merit ships so they can be limit broken
proper sorrel
what I would do right now is just use your best ships and just farm exp and merits to buy bulins
karmic forum
Whats the highest hq level you've seen on Amagi?
proper sorrel
a 81
vague fractal
Hq?
proper sorrel
commander level
vague fractal
Ooh, ok
hot creek
over lvl 100 requires cog chips fyi. No buillins/purins past that point
karmic forum
I wonder why PvP participation seems low in Amagi
vague fractal
I mean buulins for my 20 or more ssr ships
proper sorrel
the average is still around 60~75 for most active players though
karmic forum
Most likely a lot less players
hot creek
Also, If you're intersted in leveling specific pvp ships and comps, there's a tier list in the pins. It'll help you get familiar with whats generally viable in pvp. Sadly, most of them are event locked though.
vague fractal
It hurts waiting for the monthly XD
proper sorrel
the thing is, there are people who just joined and people who played at launch, it's hard for newer players to hop in i guess
karmic forum
But maybe other people are getting walled out by smurfs or people just don't play PvP seriously this early in a server's lifespan.
vague fractal
Smurfs?
proper sorrel
there's like less than 50 people that actually care
karmic forum
People who have accounts on other servers
proper sorrel
i'm surprised how i got into top 80 while missing 31 attacks
karmic forum
If they care about PvP, they know which ships to raise and likely farm a lot more than newbies
HOly
proper sorrel
which means amagi pvp is still a joke
karmic forum
I guess there hasn't been a big event to draw people into AL recently
Amagi server hasn't had the chance to be populated yet
vague fractal
Is amagi any better in pvp than hood?
proper sorrel
amagi better yeah
vague fractal
Oooh, you mean the servers
proper sorrel
oh, yes im talking about the amagi server
vague fractal
Sorry: misunderstood
proper sorrel
it's fine, but yeah amagi is better than hood in pvp
karmic forum
I've heard that they're adding Albacore to merit shop on JP
Could mean more updates to the PvP shop in the future
proper sorrel
i main amagi server on EN
vague fractal
Only reason I haven't replaced hood yet is for the reload buff she gives my carriers
eager cedar
why dont you show your entire ssr ships and such
vague fractal
What you mean?
proper sorrel
post a picture of your docks/what ships you currently own
eager cedar
show what ships you have, so we can recommend you a temp fleet
and what you will want to lvl and such
vague fractal
eager cedar
sort by rarity
eager cedar
lvl up ykkz
proper sorrel
if i were to make a fleet right-off the bat here i would do something like
Warspite/Hood/Enterprise
Minneapolis/Yukikaze/something
vague fractal
I sorted it by rarity this time: some of the purple ones are halfway through retro
proper sorrel
ah plenty
vague fractal
I'm already addicted: been playing since feb
proper sorrel
yes
proper sorrel
higher rarity doesn't always mean it's better in this game
vague fractal
Truly?
frail orbit
No Juneau no PVP
proper sorrel
hurts to not have juneau for pvp yeah
frail orbit
U want the appropriate skill
And Juneau have exactly that
Just see this
/wiki Juneau
vague fractal
Hmmm, where can I farm for her?
strange moatBOT
Z23 Sensei
vague fractal
Roger: I will focus on getting her and leveling her. And I will be screenshotting that setup.
It will help me finish my saint Louise anyhow: needed some eu cruisers to level
Of course, after I get roon ( almost done with her). Speaking of, is any of the pr ships worth pulling into pvp?
vague fractal
Hmmm, I see. I'll watch out for fleets with those out. XD
vague fractal
What ships do you guys usually run ( other than Juneau, which is essential). It'll help me look for those when they pop up in events/farming
proper sorrel
Amagi/Nagato/Hiryuu or Warspite
Azuma/Juneau/Yukikaze
vague fractal
Sorry if I am being a little annoying: I just want to learn everything about the game
proper sorrel
shoot i included juneau
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing hey check this out
vague fractal
Roger
proper sorrel
oh and there is a beginners guide in 📌
vague fractal
Pin?
karmic forum
tfw when theres only one viable vanguard configuration now
proper sorrel
Pinned messages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fC0XEh_QHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kd-isT5Jac
vague fractal
Which I guess is dropping in the Sandy server towards the end of the year?
vague fractal
Sorry, had 3 hrs sleep over two days
eager cedar
no worries
vague fractal
What else could they add to the best zombie ship in game?
(I'm guessing she it's one of them? IDK)
midnight heron
shes not zombie cuz she doesnt heal herself
proper sorrel
she heals everyone
vague fractal
Oh , sorry bout that
proper sorrel
vague fractal
Thank you guys soo much for the help: I can't wait to start fighting up there in the top 80 someday XD
(prob never going to happen, but still fun to dream about)
proper sorrel
very much possible on amagi server right now lol
vague fractal
Lol, I'm on Sandy atm XD (aka the cult server)
vague fractal
What's that?
proper sorrel
bonus points for beating someone with more points/ranking than you
vague fractal
Oooooh, that makes sense XD
2.0
proper sorrel
a ship where when it dies, it revives the whole fleet
proper sorrel
but put it on a ultra squishy ship so it dies before any other ship can die
keen sparrow
unlimited revive works
proper sorrel
exclude the ship herself god damn it
keen sparrow
vague fractal
XD
narrow meadow
formidable worth using w/o fairey albacore? i forgot to buy during her event
narrow meadow
hmm sad
eager cedar
dont let your dreams be dreams
narrow meadow
my dreams are too far in the future to be un-dreams
narrow meadow
enterprise a good enough substitute for formi?
120 and oathed
3rd will either be warspite or monarch
oh and 2nd centaur
narrow meadow
honestly when i play against WS i usually deliberately position enti opposite her
to protect the rest of the fleet
unless im playing against HMS
shell heron
A properly geared Warspite can delete her in at 16s or at least chunk her hard