pvp

[frail orbit]

D25 for extra HP anyway

[ionic magnet]

im exaggerating sry

[vague token]

like formi

xD

[light crystal]

I guess with Noshiro u can run this: Double boiler Jun, VH armor and Gyro/Rudder Azuma, and Noshiro with Boiler/Pearl/Rudder

[zenith tundra]

i think people overestimate azuma tankiness tbh. even dev 30 she isn't outlasting yukikaze consistently

[elder crane]

I still run bulge on Juneau

[frail orbit]

What u actually expect from a PR

[vague token]

i mean of course not, but her DPS:EHP ratio is better

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

Boiler+pearl on Noshiro

[frail orbit]

Nanoda cant kill reliably anyway

[ionic magnet]

well ykkz is a cockroach so

[vague token]

i have worse luck with pearl noshiro

it works better as double boiler for me

[light crystal]

Hey, does Bulge+Noshiro stack?

[frail orbit]

Yukikaze basically Lu Bu

FLYIN COCKROACH ALL OVER THE PLACE

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

DOUBLE BOILER NANODA

MY UTTER GREATEST FEAR

[elder crane]

Azuma actually smacks ykkz decently hard, esp. with Nagato buff
well, if she hits that is...

[vague token]

you mean gets set on fire

[zenith tundra]

double boiler yukikaze dies too fast tbh

[empty grove]

Assuming azuma;s shots hit

& don't shoot nothing

[frail orbit]

Yea but that case was like

[empty grove]

Like they always do

[frail orbit]

On WFC

[empty grove]

[light crystal]

Sorry, I meant so those Boiler 30% debuff Plus 20% debuff of Noshiro stack

[elder crane]

Azuma reliably takes a decent chunk out of ykkz in my experience

and yes, they do stack

[frail orbit]

Had to use Nodgun just to get more RoF on Wakai

[zenith tundra]

i tested double boiler yukikaze and it made azuma survive longer lol

[ionic magnet]

& don't shoot nothing
or sometimes she just decides that she wont shoot at all lol

[elder crane]

Well, she usually at least will shoot at main fleet instead

[empty grove]

I find it weird people are having varying experiences with azuma

[light crystal]

Is it 50% straight, or is the math more complicated? Like 30% Boiler first, and 20% Noshiro's buff after

[elder crane]

where 4 hits of ~330 damage +fire/fire refresh is still welcome

[frail orbit]

Anyway time to rush +1

[elder crane]

I think it's multiplicative

[meager dawn]

how much dmg does vh azuma take from torps with noshiro/bulge?

[elder crane]

She takes all the shots

since no eva or speed

kills off your other vanguards too
since no speed

[light crystal]

Evation/speed reduce damage to zero after all

[ionic magnet]

putting her on rear VG kinda solves her torp issues for me

[light crystal]

[meager dawn]

but how much torp dmg would she take

with the torp dmg reductions

[elder crane]

enough to randomly get blown up

[meager dawn]

[light crystal]

Maybe 4k would now do 2k, but she'd be face tanking with HP, not just avoiding the whle dmg all together as easily lol

[vague token]

it's still pretty rare for armor azuma to instant die outside of super bad rng

[elder crane]

don't forget heavy takes more damage from CV torps and bombs too

[vague token]

aka noshiro fixes the problem

[elder crane]

Armor Azuma when I ran it ended up being very RNG

either she'd be immortal
or died early

No-sells Nagato barrage

will randomly eat shit from torps/bombs

[light crystal]

Is running a Gyro a must for Azuma?

How about VH armor + Rudder, a boiler, or Bulge

[elder crane]

You can run full defensively and stack speed elsewhere

if you run Jun+Noshiro though, you need that speed

[empty grove]

I wouldn't drop it

[elder crane]

with Yukikaze, can be fine?

[empty grove]

I still want the accuracy

[light crystal]

So basically, u can run Azuma, Noshiro and YKKZ and forget about June?

[elder crane]

I ran that and it's worse than with Jun

[zenith tundra]

with just 3 speed items juneau azuma yukikaze isn't that fast. i with u could run 4 tbh most of the time

[ionic magnet]

hence rudder gyro masterrace

[vague token]

i still have larger problems with team stopping on shells anyways

[empty grove]

I was tossing up dropping pearl at one point

[elder crane]

How do you fit in pearl on Jun Azuma Ykkz?

[light crystal]

And does position matter? Cuz u can be running Juneau in front of Azuma, or is Azuma needed at the front instead?

[ionic magnet]

pearl on jun

with bulge

[vague token]

juneau gets pearl

[zenith tundra]

i still have to try double boiler juneau but it just feels pointless after her death tbh

[karmic forum]

Maybe that guy who put his pearl on Amagi was onto something

[empty grove]

I use pearl/boiler on jun

[elder crane]

Jun lead vs warkai, jun mid usually, especially vs FdG

[empty grove]

But i'm not leading atm

[elder crane]

yeah, that's also the issue
Azuma lives
especially if you don't give her +spd and run her defensively

which means when another vanguard dies

speed slows to a crawl

[ionic magnet]

yea

[light crystal]

I run double boiler June, Noshiro with Rudder/Pearl, and Ykkz Boiler/FE

[vague token]

noshiro rudder/pearl is eh

for me

[elder crane]

Rudder on Noshiro in general is ehh vs the actually-good setups

it's vs people who don't run accuracy equips...
who you shit on anyways

[light crystal]

My juneau is usually tankey enough. The only issue I can see down the road is how facing constant Azuma Dev30 is gonna be

[ionic magnet]

on a sidenote where are my gensui rushers

[vague token]

sp3

easy question

[elder crane]

vs properly set up Namaryuu though, Rudder on Noshiro is about same eHP boost as pearl or toolbox

and I'd take a boiler over toolbox

[zenith tundra]

i won't hit aotn anyway. forgot about last reset

[ionic magnet]

btw is there anything to look forward to on WC archive

no new botes right?

[elder crane]

Nope

[zenith tundra]

swiftsure

[empty grove]

Yeah

[elder crane]

oh right

[empty grove]

Swiftsure

[karmic forum]

Nothing on WC but we might get swift

[elder crane]

I forgot about her

[empty grove]

& Sirius in LC

[ionic magnet]

oh swiftsure

[empty grove]

Reminder

[elder crane]

PvE ship anyways tbf

[coral wren]

[karmic forum]

Still rolling for her

[light crystal]

I find my Noshiro to be very reliable with Rudder/Pearls. Usually does 20-25k DMG per game

[empty grove]

We have her added in with avrora polluting the LC pool

[ionic magnet]

good good atleast light pool only

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

She does that when I run pearl+boiler on her

[light crystal]

Usual VG dmg numbers: 5k Juneau, 20k~ Noshiro, 15-20k YKKZ lol

[ionic magnet]

20k-25k dmg noshiro? what is this sorcery

[meager dawn]

so close to 120 amagi

[vague token]

mine caps at like 15k-16k

[light crystal]

Maybe if u had urs live long enough with a Rudder ud see those numbers kek

[empty grove]

I don't think mine hit 20k + once either

[elder crane]

hold on, lemme crush this HMS team rusher and show you what happens vs Namagi teams

[empty grove]

[light crystal]

Which is wut mie does

[ionic magnet]

20-25k thats azuma tier bruh

[frail orbit]

^

[empty grove]

I led ibuki too

[frail orbit]

On Nagato perhaps?

[light crystal]

Well, thats wut mine does, which is why I love her alot lol

[empty grove]

So noshiro lived a lot longer

[zenith tundra]

azuma is anywhere from 15-30k depending on how good opponent vg is

[empty grove]

& RNG

[frail orbit]

^

[zenith tundra]

slow vg just get murdered by her

no rng there

[elder crane]

Noshiro does often out-damage Azuma.... but it's all damage on main fleet

don't forget the evasion rate and HP pool diff

[empty grove]

Yeah ok

[frail orbit]

And we know main fleet being main fleet

[empty grove]

I'd believe it if she torped a main ship

[frail orbit]

Torp supremacy keks

And tbh feels great to go back on Juneau

And bashing my client

[zenith tundra]

thing is against azuma comps noshiro doesn't last enough for her to even reach main

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Yeah, tbf that's a thing
almost no proper Azumas around yet

[frail orbit]

Unless Kurumi

[empty grove]

The only thing that comes close to making me reset is amagi/nagato forgetting they have barrages

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

kek

[frail orbit]

Only Nagato does this anyway

For me

[ionic magnet]

and noshiro torp redux would be meh once we get more azumas around

[elder crane]

anyways, the shittier enemy team is
and the shittier your main fleet is
the more Noshiro will do

[frail orbit]

Amagi is well

[elder crane]

iirc you ran a weak main fleet too, right?

[frail orbit]

Being wifey

[zenith tundra]

will be like that till u fight azuma mirrors. then it goes back to almost usual namaryuu

[frail orbit]

She knows the duty of a wife

[empty grove]

Ahh yes

The ghost meta

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Anyways
Fairly commonplace result

[empty grove]

Did you target hiryuu?

[ionic magnet]

ah rear noshiro

[elder crane]

Warkai is fixed as flag in this setup

[frail orbit]

Azuma as the patty of the burger

[elder crane]

aka always snipes top

[frail orbit]

Seems

[empty grove]

I don't even remember what flag snipes

[elder crane]

here, it's amagi

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

derrrrp

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

anyways, I don't want to run Hiryuu mid, and I don't want to run VH/Rudder Amagi, so basically Warkai has to be flag

though maybe I should just give in and run VH/Rudder Amagi

[frail orbit]

Just do it

[light crystal]

I just hate running Hiryu. Cuz u need to keep track of her Blue skill proc, against mirrors make sure it doesn't rpoc, first, etc

[meager dawn]

a dev20+ azuma while my azuma is stuck at dev19

[zenith tundra]

just get fdg to dev 30 and it's a better hiryuu

[light crystal]

Thats y I only have ran Hiryuu on Def

[frail orbit]

VHAmagi best Amagi

[empty grove]

Is FDG even worth using before getting a 457

[elder crane]

VH without rudder on Amagi is

and VH+Rudder is

[zenith tundra]

i use fdg with triple 381 in ws amagi fdg

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

Timing purposes

[elder crane]

36/50 still

[frail orbit]

33/50 zzz

[light crystal]

Is VH + Rudder/Beaver on Amagi even a thing? I did briefly tried it before a very long time ago, but I didn't notice a difference, and think I disliked it, so haven't bothered with it again lol

[meager dawn]

how many players have that gun now

[empty grove]

Still higher than mine

[elder crane]

I almost have first 4th copy of a PR2 equip

[empty grove]

A lot

[ionic magnet]

41/50

[elder crane]

and 36/50

[zenith tundra]

it's bad on offense

works great on defense

[ionic magnet]

still cant believe someone already got the gun 2 weeks ago

[light crystal]

Would make sense I assume

[ionic magnet]

[meager dawn]

has there been another player that managed to get the rainbow gun outside of that one guy in #trophy-room a while back?

[empty grove]

Yeah

A lot of people have it now

[frail orbit]

Hooloo gimme ur luck

[light crystal]

Maybe? A couple I assume. Not everyone flexes. And if they don, not here or discord for that matter

[empty grove]

I saw multiple 40+ when that guy got his

[light crystal]

Overall number on EN must be at around 10-20 tops I bet

[empty grove]

Also

Thing to remember is, how many of them do PVP

[meager dawn]

[empty grove]

& are on the same server

[meager dawn]

all of them

[empty grove]

So distribution would still be low

[light crystal]

tbh, I wouldn't be scared if the one dude uses 457mm on PvP, even on a sweaty comp on EN

[ionic magnet]

then you filter the ones who even has maxed namagi + ws already

[light crystal]

Cuz its just one dude among hundreds to make much of a statistical difference that he's gonna be harder to take down or anything

[empty grove]

Also factor in the chance of rolling him

[frail orbit]

Unless it's already there in a large amount

There's no reason to be worried atm

[empty grove]

Average is what

Like 30

[frail orbit]

In the future maybe

But well

Still at least another 3-5 months

[elder crane]

Average for people with focus on it should be in early 40s

[light crystal]

Even if I do roll him, wut, he's gonna have a 5-10% statistical chance of me beating him or not. the 95% WR is gonna be like wut, 70%~ instead? big oof.

[empty grove]

I mean general

Not someone focusing

[elder crane]

in general it's going to be like 20 tops lol

[karmic forum]

Someone already got 457?

[empty grove]

Yeah

[meager dawn]

how do you focus for the gun?

[light crystal]

When more ppl get it that that 10-25% statistical difference mattering more is gonna be the issue lol

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

the average player doesn't know how to do researches basically

[midnight heron]

focus on rng gun

[frail orbit]

^

[meager dawn]

there's no research that guarantees it

[elder crane]

Q researchs and G-531

[empty grove]

You do things with a high amount of equipment yield

[ionic magnet]

still curious how a mere rainbow gun can change anything

[meager dawn]

it rainbow

[frail orbit]

What is G531

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

it's a 410 AP that fires a good deal faster

[frail orbit]

Forgot it ever exist

[elder crane]

4 hour 6k coin purple

[empty grove]

The purple 4 hour

People forget it exists

[frail orbit]

[empty grove]

& assume the 4 hour plate one is better, when it's actually worse

[light crystal]

I'm mixing PR1 research with PR2, and not pay much attention on high efficiency, and I still got 31/50. Could be worse, could be better, but it's aight

[elder crane]

it has similar PR equip drop rate as the purple 4 Hour Q
but also drops 2-3 ship prints usually...
at 6k coin cost

[frail orbit]

Which is why its nonsense

[meager dawn]

trying to keep my gold at 10k+ for now

need to 120 amagi

[karmic forum]

You probably have your reasons to still do PR1, but it feels like a waste for me.

[elder crane]

1 H Q spam is where it's at anyways

for 457

[midnight heron]

lucky mofos everywhere

[frail orbit]

@karmic forum STAAG for those who dont have 1 tho

[meager dawn]

why do PR1 when you can focus on PR2 and dev30 all of your PR2s and then wait for protoshop

[karmic forum]

Q doesn't get you much but I did get a 457 once or twice

[frail orbit]

Since we know that

[light crystal]

I focus on the 1/2/2.5h Research. Occasionally I do the 5k one. I never touch the 6k/10k ones lmao

[elder crane]

protoshop doesn't have staags iirc

[frail orbit]

Hazemeyer sucks ass

[elder crane]

so yeah

tf is the 10k one

[meager dawn]

10k?

[frail orbit]

Have 1 and keks

[meager dawn]

never heard of this

[empty grove]

Is there even a wiki entry for the protoshop

[karmic forum]

Staag back in PR3 please

[elder crane]

you mean 8k?

[frail orbit]

Imagine hoping for PR3

[light crystal]

Yeah I guess that one

[meager dawn]

10hr 10k

[elder crane]

2h research is shitty

[frail orbit]

When at best it'd be this December

Topkeks

[zenith tundra]

staag pr 1 only. i bet my 4 staags on that

[karmic forum]

I'm never happy taking 2h30 gold

[light crystal]

I do 2h one, mostly to roll for others I'm looking for, or to save money if Im low on money

[elder crane]

5 for me

[karmic forum]

Its like the worst of both worlds.

[empty grove]

I remember trying to find what was even in the protoshop & never could

[elder crane]

5H one btw is also shitty

[frail orbit]

Best are rare anyway

[karmic forum]

If you're talking about the PR gear gatcha

[elder crane]

2:30 DR face is pretty good

[light crystal]

I got a budget, so if budget is good I splurge, if not, I stick to 1/1.5h alot lol

[zenith tundra]

every pr gun but staag and 457

[frail orbit]

U wany more H thing

[meager dawn]

I just remember you can just convert your BPs to other BPs in protoshop

[frail orbit]

Or DR face

[meager dawn]

how good is the 2.5h one

[karmic forum]

Which means that its utter shit

[empty grove]

So it's worthless

[elder crane]

2.5H DR face is good

[karmic forum]

Its also random iirc

[elder crane]

2.5H PR is good if you want that PR

[karmic forum]

So good luck getting seattle guns from that

[zenith tundra]

it's for dr bps for most people

[elder crane]

2.5H general one is utter 🚮

[frail orbit]

Other than to refresh the duration

Everything is shit

[vague token]

i got my 3rd seattle gun =D

[frail orbit]

U want to spam anyway

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i ever brought outside of dr bps are some seattle gun bps

[light crystal]

Which one the 2.5h general is?

[elder crane]

1.5H one is a lot worse than 2.5H face

[karmic forum]

You can choose?

[elder crane]

it's purely a refresh at the cost of coin

[empty grove]

So can you actually pick the BP you want?

[karmic forum]

That would make it a lot better

[zenith tundra]

yes

[frail orbit]

Yeaps

[empty grove]

Also if you can, is it set on a random monthly rotation with an exchange limit?

[frail orbit]

About that refresh

[zenith tundra]

u get bps and then exchange for what u want

[elder crane]

it's basically a 1H Q research
that takes 30 mins longer to complete
and costs 1.5k coin
for 1 ship print

[frail orbit]

^

[zenith tundra]

core data like shop

it refreshes every month and everything available

[empty grove]

No limit on non DR?

[frail orbit]

At least still 1hour anyway

[elder crane]

30 limit iirc

[karmic forum]

10 DR max

[elder crane]

per month

[frail orbit]

Faster refresh = faster spam

[elder crane]

10 for DR, yes

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

Unlike usual free research

[empty grove]

Atleast it's 1 I guess

[frail orbit]

Still trash but hey

[empty grove]

20?

[vague token]

i want bp request/gift like how honkai has resource request

[light crystal]

I got 3 of every PR2 gun, 10 Rudders, 5 STAAG, and 6 of every PR1 gun. So I guess that's about average

[karmic forum]

1:24 rate but you're gonna have a lot of extra PR2 bps most likely

[zenith tundra]

u can only get 20 equip bps for month for each season

[sterile bobcat]

Is that BP exchange thing ever coming to EN?

[frail orbit]

@vague token gear BP request more like gacha on focused tho

[zenith tundra]

eventually yes

[karmic forum]

Should be coming to EN

[meager dawn]

soon™️

[zenith tundra]

in jp was 8 months after pr2

[empty grove]

I hope we get a rate up on swiftsure tbh

[elder crane]

these will be my 4th copy

[karmic forum]

Did JP get a rate up on swifty?

[empty grove]

Nope

[zenith tundra]

i don't think

[empty grove]

But they didn't have avrora in their pool

[frail orbit]

And why tf actually crafting Hazemeyer

[zenith tundra]

en might get rate up on wc ships like fw

[elder crane]

I need more

[karmic forum]

Well at least shes SSR

Better than rolling aurora

[elder crane]

I need all 5 staag for PvP usually
sometimes just 4

[light crystal]

3/25 on 4th FDG gun. But like I said, I've been doing quite alot of PR1 in the way.

[frail orbit]

Why when u got STAAG tho

[empty grove]

I'm talking about the russian ship btw

She's perma LC now

[frail orbit]

Mine 6 STAAG so

[elder crane]

so I need more +hit for PvE stuff

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Between PvP and PvE I need like up to 10 +hit AA guns

so yeah

AA plates are cheap anyways

[frail orbit]

^

[elder crane]

and I'm just dumping coin into cats these days

[light crystal]

I always prioritize the good shit for PvP

[empty grove]

It's great having to strip your PVP fleet tho

[karmic forum]

Ouch

[elder crane]

I even have 3 +10 trashcans

[light crystal]

Thank god I have 10 Rudders tho, so using some in PvE aint too bad

[karmic forum]

For the novelty?

[empty grove]

Do you even use 10 rudders?

[elder crane]

Yeah, the rudder event means I have unbuilt rudders

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

don't need more

[meager dawn]

how much did you get from the dido event

[karmic forum]

Does anyone have a +10 Italian AA gun?

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra u got 2 Amagi? Who tf used that Hazemeyer on foxgirl

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

I have 9+2 rudders right now

[zenith tundra]

yes i have 2 oathed amagis

[meager dawn]

2 amagis

[empty grove]

Oath another 3

[meager dawn]

gimme one

[empty grove]

Full secretary amagi

[frail orbit]

Fok feels bad not having dupe Amagi

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

Time to buy her plushie then

[elder crane]

I scrapped the two dupes I got

[empty grove]

I'll give you an amagi for 300 cubes

[karmic forum]

I still have a level 1 amagi in dock

Just in case

[frail orbit]

YES PLS

[light crystal]

Could always use more Rudders

[zenith tundra]

why not using hazemeyer for pve? not like there are planes in sp3

[empty grove]

Reminds me

[elder crane]

lv1 Nagato would be useful for EX shenanigans

not sure what a lv 1 Amagi is good for

[empty grove]

Did cay end up getting the pink haired elite

[empty grove]

IJN subs huh

[zenith tundra]

i have maxed kms too

[empty grove]

Is that the slow meme one?

The IJN

[elder crane]

yes

[zenith tundra]

not fully

[elder crane]

and the main fleet damage booster

SSV

[zenith tundra]

i-13 doesn't have slow

[light crystal]

Subs in PvP when

[empty grove]

Slugsub

[elder crane]

I-13 is the damage booster SSV

[empty grove]

She counts towards AS right?

[frail orbit]

Ye

[elder crane]

Subs in PvP would be
Nakaga+Dace meta
that's my prediction

[crude mortar]

how long did yaall play the game

[zenith tundra]

since en release

[crude mortar]

6 month here

[frail orbit]

End of VDiR 1st run

[empty grove]

Like a week after release on EN

[elder crane]

since the start of the year of EN release, on CN first

[karmic forum]

3 weeks after EN release

[crude mortar]

[empty grove]

I just got PTSD then

[elder crane]

not 12 dildos smh

[empty grove]

Of farming jintsuu pre TL

[elder crane]

Eyy fellow non-danger-level Jint farmer

10-4 still full lethal

[zenith tundra]

it only took me 3 days

[shell heron]

Hi yes, I did get the last elite. Skunk butt took me to 378 cubes

[zenith tundra]

was lucky on jintsuu

[empty grove]

Jintsuu almost made me quit

[elder crane]

same, but a week after ch 10 release, since I focused on event first

[crude mortar]

I got jintsuu before 100% am I in the club rofl

[elder crane]

when I ran SoS
I scrapped Jint every two weeks basically

[karmic forum]

Jintsuu farm was the longest grind for me as well

[crude mortar]

I do 8-4 hard for a month already no maya

does maya drop 8-4 hard?

zzz

[elder crane]

took me close to 50 runs for Jint?

[empty grove]

Yes

[zenith tundra]

i have 1 run in 13-4 for bh. i'm not ever clearing 13-4 till w14 is out

[elder crane]

Yes

[crude mortar]

90run then

[empty grove]

Did you one run her?

[elder crane]

I farmed four of the gold 203 before Maya dropped

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

that's how long that took

[empty grove]

Show me

[frail orbit]

[empty grove]

I like saving those to bully people

[frail orbit]

Imagine not burning oil

[elder crane]

oh hey, fellow early BHer

[frail orbit]

For BH

[empty grove]

I got her fairly fast

[elder crane]

I got BH before 100%

[empty grove]

Thankfuck

[frail orbit]

Meh

Took me lots of oil

[empty grove]

I got dewey almost instantly too

[frail orbit]

I'd like to say

[karmic forum]

I got dewey in my clears

[frail orbit]

FAKKYU RENDAR KURUMI

[karmic forum]

But it doesn't matter because I'll be farming dupes eventually

[crude mortar]

do I have to play 1++year to get all those gold

[empty grove]

I wont

I have so many bulins idek wtf to do with them

[crude mortar]

i cant even upgrade rainbow torp+10

[empty grove]

& screw going back to 13-4 for BH dupes

[empty grove]

I'd rather buy 4 things from the merrit shop

[crude mortar]

i start buying cube now

[naive dome]

why is belfast in the pvp meta ?

[crude mortar]

smoke

[karmic forum]

She isn't unless this is 2018

[zenith tundra]

she was used against foxes

[frail orbit]

^

[zenith tundra]

still ok if nothing better for stalling

[frail orbit]

How 2018

[empty grove]

It's just people who levelled her early on & are too lazy to level anything else

[frail orbit]

This is already 2020

And peeps still on Belfap

Topkeks

[crude mortar]

enty retrofit when

[frail orbit]

[crude mortar]

update pvp when

[karmic forum]

Did you guys get night comms?

[empty grove]

They're borked apparently

Appear 2 hours late

[karmic forum]

Oh they're here for me

[empty grove]

Maybe that patch yesterday fixed it

[naive dome]

i mean in the gdocs tierlist, it says belfast + juneau + yukikaze is the strongest stall vanguard

[empty grove]

How old is that tierlist?

[meager dawn]

last year old?

[crude mortar]

it had noshiro

[meager dawn]

[naive dome]

the one on pin

[zenith tundra]

some vg descriptions are outdated

[naive dome]

oh 2019 :/

[empty grove]

Stall the passage of time

[zenith tundra]

i'll try and put tiers for vg too after fdg change

or at least some form of classifications in between good vg and outdate/substitute ones

namaryuu is a 1 year old comp already so a lot of stuff is pretty old for it

[naive dome]

what replaces namaryuu ?

[zenith tundra]

straight upgrade is namagi fdg

but nothing will replace namaryuu in tier list. it will be just down tiered a bit

[sterile bobcat]

Since Bel/Jun/Ykkz seems to be a mostly defensive/stalling vg, what would be a good dps-focused backline setup?

[zenith tundra]

ws plus stuff

[sterile bobcat]

Is 1 BB (maybe Monarch, ideally Nagato) plus Hiryuu/Souryuu kai good?

[keen sparrow]

ws/x/x or ws/qe for rld buff n fp

[elder crane]

Nagato+bunnies is fine, yes

[zenith tundra]

i haven't tested in en but any bunnies comp i tested in jp was a failure one way or another

[keen sparrow]

just full hms

[elder crane]

Not the best, but stands up ok
Ofc amagi over Souryuu is meta
Also warkai over Souryuu is probably an upgrade

Not having Amagi is just a bit
Nagato bunnies I imagine is better than non-FC HMS
Probably(?) worse than FC though

[sterile bobcat]

I went through the tier list in pins, the only backline I can actually build is Washy+Sodak+Enty but idk if that's enough dmg

[keen sparrow]

nvr found naga-bunny but amagi-bunny got some ppl use n ez

[zenith tundra]

that would only work, maybe, in amagi server.

ws bunnies might be closest thing to decent comp

[sterile bobcat]

Would ws non-kai work?

[zenith tundra]

not really

[sterile bobcat]

oof

[keen sparrow]

without kai she same lvl like queen slack to much

no opening 10k barrage

[sour oasis]

How's Zack doing on AotN?
Not rushing with everyone else feels bad about now.

[hot creek]

anyone with a 457 + double dev 30 DR yet?

[empty grove]

With my pacing on gun

That aint happening

[hot creek]

You'll be able to focus on equip research soon at least, right?

I imagine that'll speed up 457 development by a decent margin.

[inner zenith]

do u go for any Q research

that shows rainbow bp

or only Q researches that take purple bp's

[hot creek]

The shorter Q research are fine but if you're focusing purely on equip then do the longer ones. Also G-531

Pretty sure I've gotten most of my 457 prints from G-531

[shell heron]

I don't like these purple DR projects

5k just for 1 bp

[hot creek]

well, its more like 1.25 in the long run

Sometimes I get 457 from those ones too

[vague token]

still a long way to go, 26/50 xD

[shell heron]

even longer

been stuck at 20/50 for a month. got one this week tho

[vague token]

do you do freesearch? i thought you were ahead of me xD

[shell heron]

a few during the last event

[vague token]

ah ok

[shell heron]

but no, always 412s and Q for refreshes

or any DR I find

[vague token]

i usually go with guaranteed bps when i have gold

but i reset when im poor from event builds

xD

at least i finally built fdg so i can start skilling

[shell heron]

waiting on capped coins so I can pay for my other PR2 ships

been done with grind for a long while now, just no coins to pay for them

[vague token]

oh oof

i dont play enough to get all of them xD

[keen sparrow]

save coin for nagato

[naive dome]

is tosa viable at all?

[shell heron]

only person that was able to kind of test her was Zack.

and he said that she's not worth using over current options

she has some damage but no tanking capabilities. or something along those lines

[ionic magnet]

looks like wfc is still good vs d30 azuma + namaryuu

https://streamable.com/rizpy8

went 15-0 when sniping amagi

12-3 when sniping hiryuu

fam your juneau is too tanky

tho maybe this comp just counters that VG for w/e reason

also pardon my potato fps

[empty grove]

Wot

How is she tanky

[ionic magnet]

idk she always dies after amagi and azuma

[shell heron]

Sometimes hp pot dont want to heal

[vague token]

i have that problem against focus

[ionic magnet]

1 match she actually died last lol

[vague token]

it doesnt matter

[empty grove]

Maybe lead juneau would work better against your comp

Pretty weird tho

[ionic magnet]

yea jun lead should be better but for other comps maybe azuma is better

wish i had nagato to test

[empty grove]

Soon™️

[vague token]

the hardest thing is getting juneau killed by triple bb

if nagato doesnt barrage you're going to lose shell trades

[ionic magnet]

btw mikasa dream is ded it went 5-5 so it goes to 🚮 now

[coral wren]

mikasa

ew

[ripe latch]

one he gun - all mikasa hp , ew

[keen sparrow]

elixer have hidden skill
refuse to die

[ripe latch]

need sanbang to get top10..

[vague token]

+2 after reset lol

too bad im like -8 fights

[zenith tundra]

5-5 against namaryuu?

[ionic magnet]

you mean my mikasa comp?

yea vs famine namaryuu

i used mikasa ws amagi with azuma jun ykkz

[zenith tundra]

that's better then i would've guessed

[elder crane]

It's basically ws amagi carry

[ionic magnet]

true but idk i wont recommend it anyways unless no choice

[elder crane]

Over half the time my Hiryuu WS Amagi doesn't proc Hiryuu

And I'm sure mikasa isn't much worse than Hiryuu without proc

[zenith tundra]

i'm also pretty sure famine namaryuu is one of the hardest u can fight due to max azuma

well mikasa cannot tank at all so u have to sacrifice dmg against namagi ws

[ionic magnet]

yea not so bad tbh but for anyone rushing in last 5-10 mins its very risky

just shows amagi and ws are really broken

mikasa usually dies around 25-30 secs with 10k dmg

[zenith tundra]

qe levels

is 19.55 and 20.45 ok for fc timings?

trying to use 831 on formie

[frail orbit]

Seems fine, btw cent on cuda? @zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

both cuda

[ionic magnet]

yea should be fine if both cuda

cos no need to perfectly sync

unlike ryuusei

bigger thing is syncing formi with your warkai tho

[zenith tundra]

not gonna happen with 457

[ionic magnet]

oh right

[zenith tundra]

want to test against namagi fdg

[frail orbit]

Wait

No reppu?

Oh namafdg

[ionic magnet]

how much dmg does 457 even do to VGs

[zenith tundra]

does dmg to azuma

[ionic magnet]

hmm might be tricky for wfc

warkai + formi stop can delete VGs

[zenith tundra]

maybe 900-1k to light

[frail orbit]

Not even 1hit with Azuma

[ionic magnet]

tho not killing juneau early is good too

kill backline first

[zenith tundra]

i would need to do actual math tho

i doubt that amagi will die that fast

[ionic magnet]

usually dies after first airstrike + 2nd warkai barrage

around 25 secs

[frail orbit]

^

[zenith tundra]

seems ok

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

8-2

[ionic magnet]

oh pretty good

thats a maxed fdg?

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/708674503076478996

got stalled once 1:20 because yukikaze

it's literally fdg crit rng. she easily can rng delete stuff

1 loss fdg just targeted twice in a row ws and deleted her. 2nd loss ws missed half barrage and both 1st 2 shells on amagi so she never died and my juneau died earlier then opponent

i'll post the video once hq is available

[ionic magnet]

how about namaryuu vs that namagi fdg

[zenith tundra]

i tested that already. i'm pretty sure i added it into spreadsheet too

it's same comp.... it's always this 1 guy with namagi fdg i end up testing against

[ionic magnet]

oh nice

[zenith tundra]

15-3 and 12-1

2nd round is better setup

[ionic magnet]

wait no test on namagi fdg mirror yet

[zenith tundra]

is it stupid that i don't want to do that

i'll do that next...

[ionic magnet]

why not

[zenith tundra]

namagi fdg mirror sounds terrible

[ionic magnet]

wait why

[zenith tundra]

nagato rng plus fdg rng... yeah no thanks

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVXa4h2Y6-o&t=24s

there we go

[ionic magnet]

lmao that 1 match with immortal ykkz

[coral wren]

What happens if you replace warkai with fdg since fdg has some backline deleting abilities and that war kai, formi and centuar dont have royal navy status boostings abilities.

[zenith tundra]

9-1 namagi fdg mirror

but another 1 was fdg left with 10% hp

[ionic magnet]

mm so almost the same wr

[zenith tundra]

that's with special setup against it tbh. double sg fdg and sg rudder amagi

like u wouldn't use double sg most of the time

[ionic magnet]

What happens if you replace warkai with fdg since fdg has some backline deleting abilities and that war kai, formi and centuar dont have royal navy status boostings abilities.
replacing warkai eh
but fdg is more rng so i doubt its any better

should still work decently tho

[zenith tundra]

i tried fdg for tanking but is nowhere near as good as ws version

[ionic magnet]

yea and with warkai you can pick who you wanna snipe

[zenith tundra]

fdg dmg is more rng and that doesn't help since suicide dmg is too spread and u need ws focus dmg to kill 1

[coral wren]

Ah, so fdg can be more op but its based on luck.

[zenith tundra]

fdg is still mostly a tank tbh

even dmg build she isn't as consistent as ws

[coral wren]

Hrmmm, so as a defense, what if you replace war kai with hiryuu?
Would that set up die too quickly or not provide enough dmg?

[zenith tundra]

namagi fdg works with fdg dmg because u need it so matches don't last forever but if u face focus dmg u need her to go tank

namagi ws is not great on defense. 1st u can tank ws dmg with hiryuu/fdg/suruga easily and also amagi doest really target opposite backline due to rng aim

[coral wren]

Id test my self but my formi and centuar are lower level.

[zenith tundra]

it might work against comps without a tank but usually very few comps don't have 1

[coral wren]

Cv dmg isnt enough against fdg or war kai?

[zenith tundra]

the amagi fdg ws is more consistent at sniping 1 backline then namagi version but it still wont stop meta stuff

cv dmg is good it's just hard for them to reach 2nd airstrike against bb if all of them are alive

the numeric advantage usually helps not losing cv too early so ws is best for this. it's also rng whatever 1 cv dies or not due to random aim focus from bb

[coral wren]

Ah, so cvs die too quickly against metas.

[zenith tundra]

their hp is much lower then bb and the medium armor is also bad aginst 457

[coral wren]

Ill try to lvl up more of my ships so i can try to create more metas (even though most have already been tried).

[zenith tundra]

wfc main issue is losing 1 member too early most of the time. if it doesn't happen u just win

[elder crane]

The only CV that "tanks" BBs is Hiryuu, basically
even Taihou/Formi just evaps half the time under WS focus fire

[zenith tundra]

i never tested against torp memes

that was 1 thing hooloovoo said is also bad to go against

[coral wren]

And war kai, formi and hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

u use ws to tank

no alternative for wfc

[elder crane]

Sounds meh, but probably passableish

That's why I preferred HFC vs metaish stuff
Cause racing WS vs WS is a bit....

That team has it's own issues though, mostly with nonmeta shit

[zenith tundra]

just sg rudder and hope it works

[elder crane]

btw
how is facing warkai flag as WFC?

[coral wren]

High fructose cornsyrup?

[zenith tundra]

ws mid on defense is pretty rare tbh

it's usually ws bot

even in ws monarch teams

if i ever find 1 i'll try against

i actually wanted to test wfc against amagi ws monarch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UWpA8eqaXpc&t=10s

[zenith tundra]

i just noticed how badly ws got murdered in wfc 1st loss

60-70% hp gone in 2s

[ionic magnet]

she ate all 4 shells

with 2 crits

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

disgusting dmg

[zenith tundra]

imagine fdg with ws aim skill

[coral wren]

She would be like tier -2 or everyone else would drop a tier or two.

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

did i win or not?

it's to maximize crash dmg

[ripe latch]

hidden jp tactics

[zenith tundra]

not really... the idea is from other people around here

and after i checked the math it's better for overall dps

[zenith tundra]

time to test this against namagi fdg

i'm actually curious if i can get over 70-80% wr

5-0...

[coral wren]

Wait....

Is that a new meta? O.O

[zenith tundra]

dunno but 8-0

[coral wren]

Time to level up tosa, la, la, la la, la la!

[zenith tundra]

i'll keep going till 15

9-1

[coral wren]

Tell me what your findings are. I also need to lvl up my carrier and anti air so i can actually run w13, ill probably stick tosa in there.

[zenith tundra]

juneau died after tosa and amagi lol

[coral wren]

Im assuming it was because of rnguss

[zenith tundra]

well 12-3

all 3 losses very similar. amagi and tosa dying before juneau due to early opponent nagato barrage

and that's exactly the comp problem too... lack of overall tankiness

i should try with juneau lead but i don't think will be much better overall

[crimson bear]

A new fox fleet 😉

[zenith tundra]

it's not good against ws teams and namaryuu tho

[coral wren]

What did you equip on tosa?

Auxiliary wise

[zenith tundra]

sg rudder

8-2 with juneau lead same wr

i need to test namagi tosa against hms or namagi ws with double evasion on tosa to see how it does. so far doesn't seem to be much higher then a t1 comp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-SzuuEGbq4

is 2nd set there are 3 wins with 1 ship left at under 20% hp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNJVSplF-x0

[ripe latch]

best part

0 dmg tosa to fdg

[zenith tundra]

she has pr tier luck so she can miss so much especially with defensive setup

[ripe latch]

9:55 2 misses

10:55 2 miss

maybe 2 sg?

[zenith tundra]

the problem is not overall dmg. she tends to die too fast against fdg.

the 3 looses in 1st set were all mainfleet dying to early

i could try with double sg juneau lead

but even then some matches were really close

tosa edps ehp
SG+Rudder 0.956 1.079
SG+SG 1.035 0.941

don't know what to make up out of this tbh

it's a lot of ehp loss for some more dps like -13% ehp for 7% edps

[eager cedar]

Make tosa meta

[zenith tundra]

namagi tosa might actually be meta comp for people that don't want to use hiryuu and don't have ws retro or fdg yet after en gets nagato rerun

namaryuu should be overall much better tho

[ripe latch]

tier 2.5

[zenith tundra]

nah i don't see it under t1.5 tbh

[vague token]

rip bb kaga

[zenith tundra]

she was rip from 120 cap

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

technically nagato killed bb kaga but

anyway it was like 2-4 with 1 draw with double sg tosa

[ripe latch]

free 2500

maybe made suicide trio cv with fairey barracuda?

or usless

[zenith tundra]

don't think so

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

0-3...

the hp difference is not even fun

[silent ocean]

was so close to getting to lower admiral for the first time ffs

[zenith tundra]

i missed aotn in en. lost too many attempts

[silent ocean]

it just sucks cause got behind 3 people that went from 2k to 50-200 range and lost to the rank 56 guy froma enty proc and didnt escape in time ugh almost there though amagi is almost ready :3

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra what do you use to render your videos in 1080p

[zenith tundra]

that's screen recording on my phone

[shell heron]

Sandbagging is always the answer. If you choose to do that for the first 4 days, top 300 is easy

maybe even top 100

[zenith tundra]

the videos are totally unedited

[granite flame]

what

[ripe latch]

enemy enty always proc

[granite flame]

what do you upload them on/with

youtube mobile or send to pc first?

[zenith tundra]

youtube app

[granite flame]

[zenith tundra]

usually it's 1gb video. glad i have good internet connection and can upload at 18mb/s

[granite flame]

iphone?

[zenith tundra]

xiaomi redmi note 8 pro

[granite flame]

aight thats probably it

uploading from iphone doesnt even give past 480p

[zenith tundra]

usually it takes time for youtube to process the video, around 20min for what i upload. max resolution before that is 360p

[frail orbit]

@shell heron keep in mind some peeps cant sandbag anyway, so that depends whether they have the time or not

As in, due to daily routine of work despite on COVID pandemic anyway
Keep in mind not everyone going WFH tbh

Tbh if u could sandbag then okay

But also depends on the UTC

Am personally sandbag on early shit, rush when am sleepy koz am on UTC+7

Yeah I know I am filthy

But dont bully

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

why is this the only namagi ws i can find...

at the very least i can beat that by mirroring vg and having tosa double evasion

[shell heron]

I can understand not being able to sandbag if work doesn't allow it. There is no reason to care for higher ranks if you don't have time.

with how the point system works and all

[coral wren]

I work on week days as well. Havent seen half of my co workers in like 2 months.
I might be like -25 from biggest sand bagger in avrora atm, but at least i might be top 100.

[zenith tundra]

u should be able to get easily top 10 if u rush after a reset

[coral wren]

But not top 10 overall.

Ill rush tomorrow.

[zenith tundra]

top 10 eos is just a trophy

doesn't give anything

[coral wren]

I know, i just want to because im married to azur lane.

[vague token]

sounds like you need an oath ring

[empty grove]

You can marry AL if you oath 50 copies of Akashi

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

it's a pain to raise 50 akashi to 100 affection

[shell heron]

I'm on step 1. Get 50 Akashi

[crude mortar]

im in step -1

doing 2-4 hard

actually 1-4

they should give atleast profile protrait to no life people that got top10

for 2 week

or something

think about it,100% of people that got top10 at end of the season had fucked up sleep schedule

and they give absolutely nothing

atleast they should record last season history

the top ladder or something

its like game company give a opportunity for people to fuck their sleep schedule and their life up for nothing but extra merit and self acheievement which is also not recorded after season ended not even profile protrait to flex like cmon man just reward them for working hard or something

*an

[ripe latch]

think about it,100% of people that got top10 at end of the season had fucked up sleep schedule
@crude mortar

[zenith tundra]

everyone eventually complains about pvp rewards. not much we can do since all suggestions have been ignored so far

[crude mortar]

I mean at the end of season

[ripe latch]

but points so usless

[crude mortar]

not the point

the top10 at the last minute

[zenith tundra]

unimportant tbh

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

people do it because they like it

[ionic magnet]

its only for crazy ppl dont worry about it

[zenith tundra]

i miss top 10 every season even though i could get it if i didn't lose attempts. it doesn't matter in the slightest

[ionic magnet]

but its not as hard as ppl think tbh
just needs time to get used to it
i can sleep at 11pm - 6am now and still compete for top 10 eos

just not top1 cos thats only for famine

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

Top 10 Anime Epic Battles

[shell heron]

you have to wait for the one season Famine drops a match.

the rare event that I missed once

[whole terrace]

wait hooloo have u already got 2 bonuses this reset?

[small cypress]

what's bulge'

?

[whole terrace]

@small cypress https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Anti-Torpedo_Bulge#Type_3

[small cypress]

ty bro

[whole terrace]

np

[ionic magnet]

@whole terrace yea rindi rushed then got a rank 3 right after that

doubt i can get a 3rd tho

[whole terrace]

it's gonna be a close finish

[naive dome]

is hiryuu the best counter to warspite?

[zenith tundra]

till fdg yes

[coral wren]

Is their an fdg, hiryuu comp?

[zenith tundra]

u don't need more then 1 tank

using too many defensive ships means u don't have enough dmg. hiryuu dmg is not great, with ryuusei she misses too much and u need nagato for her to be really good and i don't see a nagato fdg hiryuu comp viable

[frail orbit]

Unless u have another IJN sniper + buffer

All while the whole snipe and nuke niche is owned by Wakai

[sour oasis]

Did you get AotN this season Zack? I'm getting bodied pretty hard after sleeping on 6; even if I could get +50 immediately upon refresh, I've still been locked out all day.

[coral wren]

Looks like the iris event is going straight to dvd. (War archives with all the drops it had prior. Looks like im using up my war archive stuff. Also the ships are going to regular construction). Assumption based on cn.

Is the baguette gun good for pvp, i only have 1.

[crisp niche]

should warkai use ap or he?

[shell heron]

I'm going with triple 410 AP, but that's because I already have 2 BBs using HE.

I would still lean towards AP because main fleet armor type

[vague token]

im using 410 ap

[shell heron]

How many ships use the baguette gun atm? Juneau, Azuma secondary, and can't think of more

[vague token]

i used twin 127 on azuma for aa

[shell heron]

that doesn't sound too bad, but she gets blow up by unlucky torps more for me

[vague token]

true, but i also use noshiro

xD

and juneau lead ;)

[shell heron]

I might try Noshiro over Yukikaze

see how that goes

[vague token]

noshiro is a force multiplier, yukikaze is solo

so

i like that noshiro buffs azuma's crit

probably by more than double

[shell heron]

I mean a choice between main fleet protection or vanguard

on top of being a cockroach

[vague token]

when im using formidable/suruga on main

i like noshiro a lot

[shell heron]

That's fair then

Suruga is some good backline protection

[vague token]

yeah

formidable usually strikes near hiryuu so that covers that

but im ultra meme atm

team wtf

taihou needs 120 though =/

[shell heron]

I need a new meme fleet

But I don't like using non oathed ships

[proper sorrel]

make a fleet with a ton of Vanguard/CL buffs

wait

3 smokescreen ships

[vague token]

if they stacked =/

[proper sorrel]

make everyone 🤦‍♂️

[shell heron]

I forgot to change my hiryuu to rudder/armor on def

[keen sparrow]

we nid new ship that have op buff 50% accuary n reload pls or +50%dmg n broken barrage that can wipe vg n backline with high % proc

[vague token]

the only thing i would have liked is for biscuit to reverse the crit and hit check

with her buff

if you crit, it's a hit

[hot creek]

lol, what a list. hopefully some of these guys are at sitting with 10 matches otherwise rip bonuses.

[shell heron]

no more refreshes?

[hot creek]

I dont think so. burned quite a few today both from fishing for gensui rushers and avoiding +9's. Honestly though im like 90% sure at least one is sitting at 10/10 who normally rushes during the next block.

[ionic magnet]

think i just burned all my luck

got +5 last reset

[shell heron]

I saw a +3 last reset. better than the last few days

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah. daily 138.6 farm here i come
@JP News Update
[Notice]
Iris of the Light and Dark will be archived to Combat History in the next update!

[ionic magnet]

what about the new botes

[vague token]

lul

[zenith tundra]

they all added to pools and what new ships u mean?

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

Light Construction:
Le Malin
Le Triomphant
L’Opiniâtre
Forbin
Heavy Construction:
Jean Bart
Massachusetts
Dunkerque
Special Construction:
Surcouf

rip light