pvp

[light crystal]

Hmmm, I dont find myself resetting cuz my Nagato doesn't proc. Usually get carried by Warspite anyway

[shell heron]

Nagato has a different role of buffing IJN ships

in IJN meta

[keen sparrow]

yes that ijn buff 20% reload n 20% accuary

[shell heron]

having a good barrage even at 40% puts her in a better position than QE

[keen sparrow]

is gud combine with torp meme at def

since 20% acc buff

[light crystal]

If you're using Hiryuu, then Nagato is better. If you're using Warspite, and getting carried by her, than Suruga replacing Nagato makes sense.

Yeah, the Accuracy boost helps too I guess. Nsohiro and YKKZ still do dmg. Like 15k~ each (30-40k between the two), usually.

[shell heron]

that's just saying namaspite is not better than using suruga

[light crystal]

Oh well, it's about give and take. Cant have both good offensive power and perfect defensiveness anyway. Just that using Suruga would tip it a lil more to the defensive side.

[shell heron]

Even without Hiryuu, Nagato will still buff Amagi and any IJN vanguards

but this is arguing over what is a better def comp.

[light crystal]

Nah, both Nagato and Suruga would be strong. Just got pros and cons, so it can be hard to decide which to use haha

But I'll be trying out Suruga and see how I like her.

[keen sparrow]

suruga is more on def but nagato is also gud yes both of them is gud, so far from zack said the strong def fleet is suruga,amagi,fdg

to lazy farm fdg

[shell heron]

that's just stacking all the tank you can

doesn't sound like it can win but it can sure stall

[keen sparrow]

yes stall meta

[vague token]

i cant wait for ultra stall

my suruga has been 120/200 for a while now xD

[upper sparrow]

suruga-hiryuu-amagi?

[keen sparrow]

stall enemy to time out for 5min

[leaden jay]

Question, is Tosa a thing for top tier PvP?

[narrow obsidian]

Does merit have a cap ? Im ata oddly specific number.

[vague token]

no, not even close

at least with bbkaga she has a weird anti all armor type barrage

tosa has the amagi/nagato one where you lose like half damage on heavy

[frail orbit]

^

Also for merit
Limit around 999k?

[vague token]

and obviously no tank skills or team support skills

[leaden jay]

@narrow obsidian Nope, there is no cap, I've seen someone over 1 million

[frail orbit]

There's one peeps hitting more than 160k in 2019

[leaden jay]

And thanks @vague token

[keen sparrow]

i remember we have 1 ppl that got 1m merit

[narrow obsidian]

Ok thanks

[keen sparrow]

still long way to 1m for me

[vague token]

the only thing she might be fun for is more torp barrages from main xD

[frail orbit]

Even am nowadays at 200k only

Keks

[keen sparrow]

tosa torp is fast

it will gud meme for torp rain

[frail orbit]

FAC would like to say hi to those torpmemes

[keen sparrow]

[coral wren]

is the 610mm torp good for torpmemes

or should i just stick to quad magnetic

[sterile bluff]

so uhh

at what lv can i start using juneau? Ik im late af

her heal is maxed

[coral wren]

[keen sparrow]

magnetic for auto aim

[coral wren]

ye

i guess so

[keen sparrow]

elixer nid 120 for not fast to die

[sterile bluff]

also which slot do i put juneau in

[keen sparrow]

front/mid depends on enemy

i put elixer at mid if fight torp meme

[sterile bluff]

who tf is elixer

[keen sparrow]

coz she will die in the opening torp

elixer = juneau

[sterile bluff]

ok i tried using lv 100 juneau it failed hilariously

the "meta vg" isn't working

ALmeta's video lied to me

[keen sparrow]

elixer refuse to die

[eager cedar]

lvl100

[sterile bluff]

yep lv100

triple digit boi

ok nvm this isn't working she legit dies in the first 3 seconds

what gear should she even use?

[keen sparrow]

im use pearl + boiler sometime double boiler for more fun

[sterile bluff]

im using toolbox and bulge

[shell heron]

Yes, Stella has 1m+

I'm close at 980k

[shell heron]

I'm having a hard time getting more than +1 per reset

[sterile bluff]

how do u guys have so much time to accumulate so much merit -_-

[sour oasis]

They don't spend

[sterile bluff]

bruh

that's biccbrane right there

[vague token]

i mean if you play from start of server, you lose the need to buy bulins

[elder crane]

Idk, I still haven't MLB literally everyone yet

[sour oasis]

Unless you want to min max everyone. And fleet power.

[sterile bluff]

i am always in desperate need of purins

[elder crane]

I have like, 30ish more ships to go?

[sterile bluff]

i don't even think i have half collection

[sour oasis]

I'm just working on retrofit and dropped ships. (which I throw Bulin at because I'm not a farmer)

[elder crane]

I just need to finally get around to finishing gascan grind, and it's 100% for me again

Been slaccing on that for weeks now

[sterile bluff]

that feeling when u can't unlock gascan

so you go for georgia

[sour oasis]

@sterile bluff the secret is... Half of the fleet sucks

[sterile bluff]

wut?

what fleet?

[sour oasis]

Azur Lane

[elder crane]

The secret is that *90% of all ships suck

[sterile bluff]

wouldn't be surprised

[elder crane]

[sterile bluff]

considering the meta is only like a few ships

[sour oasis]

Well, yeah.

[sterile bluff]

non of which I have

[elder crane]

We have, what, 350 unique ships?
35 actually worth using sounds about right

[sour oasis]

Eh, I'm more lenient. I find about 100 are usable without headaches.

[sterile bluff]

i just want my meta shipus UwU

and my life will be complete

because we all know

not the best = trash

[sour oasis]

Meta happens at level 120

[sterile bluff]

ill just get all the meta ships, get OP at the game, then move on to another game

[sour oasis]

And you still need to juggle because some smart-ass uses a different meta just to screw around.

[sterile bluff]

[sour oasis]

🐳

[sterile bluff]

you can't buy meta ships with money

unless u 🐳 on research

which isn't worth tbh

i 🐳 for limited rateups but not research

[sour oasis]

Or a meta ready account.

[sterile bluff]

nahhhhh

[sour oasis]

Either way, works

[sterile bluff]

i wanna achieve greatness by myself

[shell heron]

I MLB the ships I want

[sterile bluff]

buying another account takes away all the fun of collecting meta ships

[shell heron]

and still have too many purins

[sterile bluff]

i just realized i need 3 purins for sandy retro

foc me

[sour oasis]

MLB everything. MLB some ships twice because I'm an idiot

[shell heron]

but there really is nothing to buy at some point. T4 boxes are a scam, extra purins are unneeded, cubes are too expensive(I still pick it up), and the 2 ships only need one copy

[sour oasis]

You never need to buy anything if you're not in a rush, therefore you can always buy everything. 'because you can'

[vague token]

you get so many free bulins too

[sour oasis]

I've been at it since CB. If you don't farm ships or are impatient to wait for more, say Kisaragi, there's never enough Bulin to MLB everyone .

[sterile bluff]

the reason i never get a frame is cuz i never have enuf purins

[shell heron]

I have 31 purins and 48 bulins

[sterile bluff]

wtaf

gimme

now

[sour oasis]

I can only imagine the dock space... Or corpses of Aulick and Aobas.

[shell heron]

it's not too crazy. a reasonable 600

[sterile bluff]

[sour oasis]

[sterile bluff]

i have 160 dock space...

i barely have any ships

[shell heron]

When you played since the start, small things become your next goal

[sour oasis]

I'm contemplating putting my gems into dorm versus dock (I'm living with just 5 spare space)

[vague token]

next goal is check if new ships are pvp worthy

[shell heron]

like save all my Amagi dupes

[vague token]

aka probably not

[shell heron]

Suruga would have been better

if she had damage

[sour oasis]

@sterile bluff you'll get your ships and your space once you hit w13

[sterile bluff]

wut

how does that work

w13 magically gives u shipus?

[sour oasis]

I considered playing on Amagi server and trying to get Amagi. Too much effort to be a pleeb.

You get 250 gems when you fully 3 star each chapter. That should help. And the dropped ships. And free cubes.

[sterile bluff]

that...

won't help much

unless having gems and cubes will magically convince yostar to rerun events

and actually getting the ships in events

[sour oasis]

With double the dock space, rerun events, you'll fill your collection along the way when your fleet gets strong enough to OP events

[sterile bluff]

rerun events? You mean the thing that never happens on EN?

[sour oasis]

We're in a rerun right now

[sterile bluff]

pfffff

doesn't count took me fkin 200 cubes to pull corona fox

I want ⚔️

not 🎤

[empty grove]

Dockspace is cancer

[sterile bluff]

[sour oasis]

Took me 500 cubes to not get u47.
And another 500 to not get Mikasa.

[sterile bluff]

r u implying u47 and mikasa r as good as corona fox?

that's my point

i always get the trash ships

got 3 tosa dupes

smfh

[sour oasis]

Spend more

[sterile bluff]

more what? coins? ran out

[empty grove]

Whale

[sterile bluff]

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

how much do u whale

[sour oasis]

[empty grove]

Depends

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[sour oasis]

200 doesn't matter. The point is you got her.

Don't stop till one of you drops.

[sterile bluff]

it matters...

cuz

my wallet matters

[proper sorrel]

akashi is proud

[sterile bluff]

[light crystal]

So earlier we were talking how Suruga/WS/Amagi-Juneau/Noshiro/YKKZ was a very good Defense. It go me thinking, why not keep using Nagato for Attack, but Suruga for Defense? 🤔

Best of both worlds kek

[shell heron]

I won't say that it won't work or is less effective than just sticking with Nagato. Or until someone runs that comp on def to test against.

Testing offense comps is easy

def comp is a challenge as you have to catch the person running that comp

And I do agree with another point made earlier that Suruga/FdG/Amagi could be the new stall comp

[vague token]

im ready for it when my fdg is done building xD

[sterile bluff]

how many fdg prints ya got?

[light crystal]

Well, I'm literally losing nothing. I got 10 Rudders, and 6 Chapguns to be able to keep 4 BB's fully kitted out comfortably for PvP. The main thing is that the FW Fire Control Tower is probably gonna stay on Nagato. Otherwise, I could've put it Warspite instead.

As for FDG, eh. 500 BP's is gonna take a hot minute for alot of players to be an issue for the next 6 or so months.

[prime panther]

nagatos currently bugged, i wonder if it would change the meta?

[light crystal]

YEah, just read about that kek https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804420801527810/706765853038739496/unknown.png

For about 2 weeks now? Might as well use Suruga then, till gets patched out lmao

[light crystal]

Time for Nagato to take a small break

[prime panther]

im surprised no one has noticed it

[light crystal]

Well, Suruga's blue skill of only proc'ing for 60% instead of the advertised 70% has been going on for months. So I'm not holding out on a patch for this any time soon

A guy on JP already tested it out, and it's also borked in JP

[prime panther]

has it been reported?

[light crystal]

Alrighty then, fix or no fix, I'm ready. This is my Def/Att fleet going forward.

[upper sparrow]

what nagato bug? mirroring barrage like centaur?

lol what

is that on pve and pvp, or just pvp?

lmao

poor her

[proper sorrel]

tryna kill herself

[light crystal]

It's fine boys. Nothing to worry about

[vague token]

lul

[upper sparrow]

apologems incoming bois

[vague token]

was wondering why fights were easier lately against nagato

[ionic magnet]

lol might explain why mikasa has been working perfectly

now real question is if devs will care enough to fix this

is it only for pvp? or also pve

[light crystal]

Well. The "bug" has been in place since 4/23. And seeing as Suruga's Blue skill procs only 60% of the time rather than 70%, and has been like that since release, I wouldn't hold my breath over a fix any time soon...

I like this new Big Seven though. 70% proc rate and looks much prettier. Good update

[vague token]

what was the 4/23 update again

crimson rerun?

[meager dawn]

CE rerun?

[vague token]

maybe they trying to sneak nerf ijn

xD

[meager dawn]

amagi/tosa fucking nerfs nagato

[vague token]

right on amagi rerun

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

yeah

[meager dawn]

is there any way to fix the bug

[vague token]

if it's a bug

[meager dawn]

or are we just going to be using a self buffing nagato

[vague token]

could be a nerf xD

actually explains a lot, big 7 still rips through you but hiryuu and amagi are slacking without their stat boosts

especially hiryuu

[meager dawn]

RIP 20% dmg to IJN carriers

[ionic magnet]

better dust out your mikasas bois

[vague token]

[meager dawn]

Mikasa new meta

[vague token]

too busy using formidable atm

waiting for taihou to hit 115

[light crystal]

I mean

[ionic magnet]

[light crystal]

Just rename your Nagato replacement to Nagato

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-gif-7715402

[vague token]

well, if it isnt fixed there's gonna be suruga/amagi/fdg for sure

[ionic magnet]

is this tested ingame btw

like real dmg numbers

[light crystal]

Well, either way, even if fixed, I will probably retire Nagato for a bit. I mean, I was running it, and didn't feel any difference in WR. Then again, everybody else was running a bugged Nagato, so maybe it canceled each other out

[vague token]

lemme check alec

well, they seem to be assuming it's true

apparently help blew up for a bit about it

[ionic magnet]

i was out last season so i cant tell

still wanna test it ingame tho

[keen sparrow]

azuma without nagato buff is

[empty grove]

Jesus

Wtf did they break now

[keen sparrow]

now my half meta fleet will destroy them

[empty grove]

Hmm

Do I use a dev29 FDG

[keen sparrow]

im happy choose suruga to replace nagato slot from jan

[empty grove]

[keen sparrow]

nid dev 30 for mgm+1

i dnt have fdg to lazy farm kms

[empty grove]

Yeah

Probs just wait for it

Gonna get to a point where Azuma BP is worthless tho

[coral wren]

use Oklahoma

amakaga intensifies

[empty grove]

Fdg/Georgia/Oklahoma

True meta

[keen sparrow]

saruga,oklahoma,amagi stall 2.0

[upper sparrow]

oklahoma

[coral wren]

https://prnt.sc/sam324

but why

[empty grove]

Hang on

Is that who I think it is

[stable dawn]

nagato is now nagathrow

[frail orbit]

Indeed, Nagato too derp nowadays

[naive dome]

should I refresh right after a season reset ?

[coral wren]

i mean if u dont trust them

go ahead and refresh

[safe meteor]

how big of a rank difference do you usualy need to get more than +10 in pvp?

[midnight heron]

dat shudnt even be possible since if u somehow get a 350 pt gap it means u already lost charges

[coral wren]

i checked zack's chart. and it said that u get 8 bonus for 121 difference, considering u are at 0.

so at the beggining of a season, if u get a rusher that wins about 6-7 matchups, u can get 10 bonus without losing exercises yes

but usually after 1050 score total u shouldnt expect more than +2

[smoky elk]

need every 35 rank-score difference to get extra +1

[coral wren]

thats after 1050

before that its lower

[shell heron]

After 1050 you shouldn't expect more than +1

+2 is rare and only shows up if you're kinda behind

[light crystal]

So I just checked top 100 in Washington, and the vast majority dont seem to know about it. Only found this dude that maybe did lmao

[ripe latch]

🍖

[coral wren]

akaga, but where is his sendai 👀

hm on the other hand, id like to ask, what is the best torp vg for namaryuu that isnt just a meme?

id like something reliable

[shell heron]

I ran Ibuki/Noshiro/Yuki before

but torp will always be a meme

I was deciding if Ayanami was worth using but Noshiro buffed Yuki still have good torps

[coral wren]

naruhodo

[vague token]

i still think ibuki/noshiro/juneau should be strong

id try it but i dont have ibuki xD

[eager cedar]

but you gotta go full torp retard

[vague token]

[shell heron]

ofc that sounds okay, but you want torp meme

Juneau is a health potion

[elder crane]

Jun Ibuki Noshiro, Noshiro Ibuki Ykkz, Noshiro Azuma Ibuki, Noshiro Azuma Yukikaze
I've tried all of the above, and they do okay

Torps on offense are just a bit

[vague token]

oh i only meant on defense

torp offense is big lul

[elder crane]

The less you spec into them the better you do

[vague token]

unless we get symmetrical ship placement torp offense will always be gimped

[elder crane]

I've ran all those I listed, I'm actually using Noshiro Azuma Ykkz right now for offense

[eager cedar]

noshiro with pearl

[elder crane]

It's slightly worse than just Jun Azuma Noshiro/ykkz though
Good news is faster matches

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Same with Namagi Warkai
Without 457, it's just worse I feel than Hiryuu, but is much faster

[vague token]

hiryuu isnt getting much out of nagato atm

xD

[elder crane]

Warkai doesn't ever get off third salvo

So, litt gun

Hiryuu still gets a ton out of Nagato....

[vague token]

not right now

nagato buff bugged

only buffs self

[elder crane]

Wait, really?

That's weird

[vague token]

i looked over in alec and they were talking about it

flooded their help for a bit

there's a known bug trello card right now as well

[shell heron]

I haven't tried litt gun yet. If Warkai really doesn't go past 3rd salvo. I might switch over

[vague token]

it started when we got crimson rerun apparently

[elder crane]

Cause I'm sure Amagi needs Nagato buff for warkai timing

[karmic forum]

PvP in shambles

Start experimenting with other stuff if you haven't already

[vague token]

namaryuu is very volatile on defense atm because of it

it's basically: does nagato barrage

you die

if not

you win

because only she is getting the buffs

[elder crane]

Hmm, that's really weird

[vague token]

yep

[elder crane]

Cause Amagi I'm almost certain doesn't get in second barrage before second warkai barrage without Nagato buff

She roughly gets it in right now though

[vague token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468804420801527810/706765853038739496/unknown.png

supposedly

"oops"

[elder crane]

Wait, isn't that still buffing BB/C, if I'm reading it correctly?

[vague token]

green is new

red is old

so

no

[elder crane]

Oh nvm lol

EN thing, let me guess

[vague token]

nope

all

[elder crane]

Wow

[vague token]

yep

either a) actual nerf

or b) someone messed up really hard

[shell heron]

Hmmmm

[elder crane]

Wait, someone actually went and bothered to change it to target self

[shell heron]

I should prob run noshiro instead of Azuma while this is happening

[elder crane]

Why not both

[karmic forum]

Stealth nerf to Nagato by removing her identity as a IJN flagship hmmm

[elder crane]

Tbh kinda weird I didn't notice it towards EoS last week
I suppose that non-IJN is just too embarrassingly bad on defense

[vague token]

it isnt just changing it to target self

but they deleted all the rest of it lol

[shell heron]

someone there must not like IJN meta. snuck that change into the update

[vague token]

kek

[light crystal]

Im still running nagato and it works just fine

[karmic forum]

I'll believe it if they changed it intentionally to see what would happen

Sort of like a small experiment

But probably just an oversight

[vague token]

i think ill make ibuki next after im done with fdg so i can try ultra torp spam main and vanguard

for fun

[shell heron]

I tried that

[vague token]

with tosa?

i was gonna try suruga/amagi/tosa

xD

[shell heron]

I mean torp vg as offense

[vague token]

oh

you gotta do the full set

[shell heron]

the match is decided in 10s

[vague token]

;)

[shell heron]

decided, not I win in 10s

[elder crane]

Basically that

Jun dead? Probable win
Jun not dead?
Lol RIP
When I was testing vs Jun Azuma (dev28) Ykkz

Which btw
Dev 22 Azuma does as much work on killing Jun in 10 s as Noshiro-boosted 1-dildo Ibuki

So.... yeah....

[shell heron]

having azuma being dev25+ sounds really nice right now

that extra hp

[vague token]

my azuma still doesnt reach noshiro damage xD

unless rng

[elder crane]

Mine doesn't either
But look at actual match, where they get dmg from

Noshiro damage is mostly torping main fleet

Azuma gets most of her damage murdering enemy vanguard

Two sets of main guns+barrage takes half the HP of Juneau, if she aims there
And it's splash damage on all 3 vanguards

[vague token]

[sterile bluff]

at what dev is azumama viable for pvp?

[elder crane]

Also fires are a thing

Around dev 20 she starts being tentatively viable

I'd run her with Noshiro though, without dev25 torps are a slight issue imo

[sterile bluff]

can i do juneau yuki azuma if i have her at dev20?

[vague token]

noshiro helps her damage at least too

[elder crane]

I don't rec that
A lucky torp salvo will kill Azuma
... Not that it usually matters, but still

[sterile bluff]

what if i put juneau at the front

with double bulge

wait no don't think it stacks

[elder crane]

I ran Jun lead and Azuma in either position to try it out
And
Azuma dies to torps before jun does

[sterile bluff]

...

what about d25?

vgs get a power spike at 25 right?

[elder crane]

Maybe if you don't bulge Juneau it could save azuma

but then you're not getting jun heals on rest of team...

dev 25, she gets a healthy chunk of HP

[sterile bluff]

that's noice

/devbp

[strange moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512967149975896084/697348939774689361/devbp.png

[sterile bluff]

ah shit

333 bps

that's gonna take a while...

[vague token]

yep

[elder crane]

given Noshiro's 20% seems to make a decently large difference in Azuma not getting wrecked too hard by torps, I think the 1k HP from that probably helps enough

[sterile bluff]

i...

don't have noshi

it's a sad life man...

[elder crane]

Well, good news on that is that if rest of team is good, even if Azuma gets blown up, they're still running a torp-VG

[sterile bluff]

i don't have a team

but it's ok i never give up

[vague token]

cant wait to try ws/formi/taihou

the thiccer version of ws/formi/centaur

xD

[sterile bluff]

can't wait to get the fucking sword

wait last yr sword was only like 2 months after mic right?

[elder crane]

Sounds like the shittier version
At least no bugged barrage on def?

[shell heron]

I might switch to WFC with Nagato being bugged

[vague token]

gotta out trade with taihou's dr

also i think it isnt too difficult to sync taihou and formidable since they have bad reload together xD

just needs a bit of plane shuffling

i got my 2nd ap dive so

beeg crash damage

[shell heron]

yea lets do that. if I can't get big Nagato buff. I go for big crash damage

[sterile bluff]

is nagato bugged or smth?

[shell heron]

yes, the code for her faction buff got changed to self buff

[sterile bluff]

lol wtf

[shell heron]

Mikasa meta begins now

[vague token]

also taihou can rng buff the main fleet for 10% more damage

[sterile bluff]

pffff 10%

rookie numbers amirite

[shell heron]

I'm gonna be honest.

WFC feels slower than nerfed namaspite

[prime panther]

is warkai + 2 the meta now?

[vague token]

are you using ap dive bombers for more crash

[light crystal]

I use Warspite because using her means consistency. She locks onto something and tries her best to kill it, and succeeds very efficiently at it.

[ripe latch]

when 2 rushers found each other

[hot creek]

Nagato nerfed? Time for HMS to rise once again

[vague token]

we dont know if nerfed or bugged

[shell heron]

Oh what a convenient time to have oathed Monarch

[eager cedar]

[vague token]

hms

although i guess im 2 hms main atm xD, but 0 in vanguard lul

[ripe latch]

hms

[sour oasis]

HMS always viable. Now Queen Liz coming back.. That'll be the day.

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

[past egret]

What’s this about Nagato changes?

[coral wren]

Nagato = buff self only

[past egret]

@light crystal yea top 100 Washington just runs duplicated comps from other top people haha

[coral wren]

Im not going to make it to top 10.
1560 w 2 exercises left.

[past egret]

@coral wren her Carrier buffs are no more?

[light crystal]

Only bbuffs self, not nation anymore

[coral wren]

Im not sure, im just regurgitating what i heard.
for all i know it could be fake news

[light crystal]

She buffing her own non-existing Torp and AVI

So, she's a glorified Mutsu right now.

Been like that since April 23, and none1 noticed much lmao

[coral wren]

I didn't notice because im fighting the same comp people in pvp.
A decrease in pwr by both people cancel each other out.

[light crystal]

U can test it urself if ur that paranoid

Use IJN CV With and without Nagato as FS, and you'll see for yourself that the damage numbers dont change.

Or Torps

Or IJN BB's

[coral wren]

Im not sure if its just me, but were barrages nerfed in pvp?
FDG in particular.

[light crystal]

Or, just dig up the game code to see. Either way, it's not like it's a secret lol

Imagine expecting the world from a non-dev 30 FDG

[granite flame]

why hasnt the skill description for nagato changed then

[zenith tundra]

because it's not supposed to be that way.
i don't see anything wrong with fdg barrage @coral wren at least in jp

[granite flame]

any1 try dropping it off in game feedback then and seeing if mods say anything about it

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra nagato just buff itself? fp reload acc only?

[zenith tundra]

they haven't changed 1 ship in forever i don't see why bother changing something now and for an old ship too

[ripe latch]

to change meta?

[zenith tundra]

nakaga was broken and they did nothing at the time

[granite flame]

do devs even care about meta?

[zenith tundra]

plus is weird for a flagship to just buff itself

[granite flame]

the only ship they nerfed was amagi i thought

because she was even stronger on release

[zenith tundra]

nagato was buffed after release. they improved her barrage from trash big seven to good big seven

amagi was a total mistake anyway

[light crystal]

Amagi was never buffed

Her Barrage had an issue in which it was too focused, so it either missed cuz cone was small, or hit something and murdered it

Think of Warspite sniping skill

[zenith tundra]

she was also nerfed pre release

[light crystal]

It was bugged, so they fixed it

What is this nerf u speak of?

[zenith tundra]

i don't know the details tbh but i know she was nerfed before being release

[light crystal]

Then it looks like hearsay to me, cuz I've never heard of that lol

[zenith tundra]

not nerfed hard enough it seems

only people that developed her or played test content would know the actual differences

the barrage changes were because it was bugged and it was a buff tbh since bugged barrage was 🚮 outside of pvp

[ripe latch]

time to swap nagato for fdg or still play with her?

[zenith tundra]

from my tests with tosa even with nagato buff bugges i can say it's pretty trash at least in jp meta. i cannot beat amagi monarch ws defense or namagi fdg. tosa really doean't do anything outside of dmg. her tanking ability is non existent and her damage is not aimed good enough to have any kind of impact. the only comp it seems yo do well against is namaryuu

i don't think a non dev 30 fdg does something. even as a tank u dom't really need her yet

[ripe latch]

her barrage on 10lvl deal to main fleet dmg or not?

[zenith tundra]

she hit opponent backline for around 800 dmg (against amagi teams) with 4 shells.

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

the one thing that barrage does is set fires but is far from actual dmg

also consider that half of that will miss due to low hit rating and luck

fdg dmg is her mg skill paired with 457 and a double hit aux setup. if u use her as a tabk with eva gear her smg goes down quite a bit

[light crystal]

I'm just having fun looking at all these Nagato users at the moment lmao

[prime panther]

enjoy free pts + exp while you can

[ripe latch]

imagine if mikasa buff work

[shell heron]

If Nagato is pretty much a Mutsu but have a better barrage

I wonder if running monarch right now is more worth it

[upper sparrow]

nagato oath ring as compensation in next patch

[zenith tundra]

do u actually want to bother changing fleet just for nagato buff? is not like opponents are any harder now

[midnight heron]

still need 4 ijn for amagi barrage

[shell heron]

I run yukikaze and noshiro/azuma

wait...

[zenith tundra]

that's 3

[shell heron]

not enough since I use WSkai

oh well. didn't notice a significant change in performance

other than slightly longer match times

[zenith tundra]

if they change nagato skill description to be own flagship we can just throw her out. is not like amagi ws fdg isn't best comp anyway

[vague token]

what if nagato buffed the flagship position

so you could put someone else there

that would be kinda neat

cross faction friendly too

[midnight heron]

wud make her title of combined fleet flagship kinda ironic

[vague token]

[frail orbit]

Wut 3 tho

Additional 3 then yes

Since Amagi skill included herself

[zenith tundra]

ofc it's additional 3 since she counts herself

[ripe latch]

suruga amagi hiryuu any best idieas?

[frail orbit]

And yet there's no point to actually use that skill on wakai magi fdg right?

Since fdg just kinda well

Barrage ASAP

[zenith tundra]

u don't need it when ws does 40k dmg

[frail orbit]

I meant
The alternative would have to ditch Juneau

When Jun being oh so important suicide healer keks

Yeah but the viability of it is only when u got 457 anyway so

[zenith tundra]

is not like u would use fdg before dev 30 anyway

[frail orbit]

For that wakai dmg

Fair point then

Also sumaryuu
Amagi flag? Gotta keep her shit coming up against enemy snipe anyways, besides surugag barrage aint that good smhw keks

Haven't used surugag for a month so

Better if zack answer this one

[zenith tundra]

u put suruga on ws focus and amagi whatever slot open

[frail orbit]

Better on non flag then?

I meant for wifey

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use both suruga and hiryuu but i can't say that i tried offensive hiryuu in a long time to know how well she does

[coral wren]

Btw, my complaint with fdg was a difference between barrages area of effect between pve and pvp fdg.
It seems a lot larger on pve vs pvp.

[zenith tundra]

from as long as i used her her barrage was like that

[coral wren]

Maybe it was a bug, ill try it again to see if it has same issue.

[midnight heron]

i tried using hiryuu again cuz nagato got nerfed so i replaced her and it seems ryuusei is dogshit now cuz u can rarely kill enemy vg fast enuf without naga barrage

was using hiryuu ws amagi

i ended up changing to vt18 and its much better but idk if its placebo

[frail orbit]

U need 2 Ryusei anyway

If not named Centaur

[coral wren]

Ok, i think it was a bug. Last time i threw fdg into pvp was in feburary and her barrage was narrow vs now. It may have been a bug.

[frail orbit]

Remember Centaur got 404

Udon have Centaur then 404 Not Found

[midnight heron]

404 ship not lvled

[zenith tundra]

it is a bit more spread it seems. in old videos it's a bit tighter on both defense and offense

[ripe latch]

taihou def

someone tell him about nagato...

[prime panther]

nope free exp

[zenith tundra]

i'm not gonna change nagato just because of a bug. is not like using anything else will matter anyway

with nerfed defenses there are even less chances of losing

[ripe latch]

bug

                                                 yostar stuff

[midnight heron]

its more about taking a break from the usual meta

[zenith tundra]

i change team a lot in jp. en has no choices yet

only ws or hiryuu

[frail orbit]

Imagine still thinking Yostar the dev

[midnight heron]

[frail orbit]

When all the spaghetti was Yongshi's fault

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

why bother saying company name when u can just say devs

[frail orbit]

Koz Manjuu just draw em anyway

Yongshi being the techno babble of em 3 congregate

[ripe latch]

ppl changed nagato to enty

[light crystal]

So using FDG gun to help level Suruga faster in PvE. Would 406mm be better for Suruga in PvP tho? Just curious

[coral wren]

So manjuu is art, yongshi is programming and yostar is publisher?

[frail orbit]

Ye for EN JP at least

Dunno for TW Korea tho

[zenith tundra]

suruga wants triple guns

[frail orbit]

For publishing ones

[light crystal]

Triple guns, u mean 406mm?

[frail orbit]

Ye

[zenith tundra]

or triple 381

[frail orbit]

She cant barrage spam anyway

^

That too

[light crystal]

Once she's 120, I might put 406 on her Suruga. But they're 4 s slower compared to FDG guns. Sure, Barrage is timed, but still, I like the faster rof lol

[coral wren]

So you guys going to do hiryuu, suruga, amagi set up? Is that even any good?

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to keep using namaryuu as always

[light crystal]

Why so insisted on Hiryuu anyway? Drop for WK, more consistency lol

[coral wren]

Doing it for survival. Somehow missing a lot with warkai.

[light crystal]

Yes, plz keep using Namaryu for easier kills 👏

[zenith tundra]

my defense fleet is fdg azuma

[prime panther]

is enty a thing again cuz no reload from nagato?

[frail orbit]

Anyway whats the whole fiasco with Nagato keks

[zenith tundra]

enty is just as useless on defense as always tbh

[frail orbit]

No barrage proc?

[prime panther]

no buffs

she only buffs herself

[frail orbit]

Spaghetti?

[prime panther]

🍝

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

been beating all ws enty comps like they are nothing even without nagato buff

[light crystal]

ws? wut does that mean

[prime panther]

warspite

[frail orbit]

Wakai

[light crystal]

Warspite Enty? Then what?

[empty grove]

EZ

[zenith tundra]

gg

[midnight heron]

[prime panther]

what a flex

[frail orbit]

Gratz and well

[coral wren]

Well im going to die o.o
My azuma is like dev 15 xD

[empty grove]

[frail orbit]

Time to run from Kurumi

Yer on Avrora too right

Mine still at exactly 20 hic

[coral wren]

My FDG is dev 20, didnt spend cubes or get good rng for bp.

[light crystal]

Either way, I like it how Washington is basically not reacting at all and still using Nagato like crazy lol

[karmic forum]

Most people probably don't know about it

[light crystal]

Maybe they fix this patch, maybe they don't. Will probably still be using Suruga over Nagato, dunno

[frail orbit]

Mine on d23 for mommy Fred

[prime panther]

avrora flexing hard this week

[frail orbit]

33 on 457 now . . .

NOT YET 40 DAHM IT

NOT YET 50

[light crystal]

I'm 29 on 457 lmao

[ripe latch]

Either way, I like it how Washington is basically not reacting at all and still using Nagato like crazy lol
@light crystal we not crazy , but ppl still using namaryuu fleets

[frail orbit]

Gib 17 of yours

[coral wren]

Im like 5 on rainbow gun e.e

[frail orbit]

To me

[light crystal]

I'm losing hard on that race. But I've been doing alot of PR1 as well to catch up on other girls, so cant really complain too much on 457 progress

[empty grove]

Now azuma BP is worthless

[karmic forum]

37 457 bps

[empty grove]

Gonna feel weird skipping her stuff

[karmic forum]

Whats your FDG dev level?

[empty grove]

29

[coral wren]

If worthless give to me.

[frail orbit]

Sasugay big 🐳

[empty grove]

Nah

[ripe latch]

29 457

[empty grove]

I'm F2P

[frail orbit]

No u whel

[zenith tundra]

i would still keep doing them for fate 5

[coral wren]

Kurumi must be whale.
Or the main protag in anime

[frail orbit]

He is

Being a whel anyway

[coral wren]

Kurumi is whale or kirito. Which one is worse o.o?

[frail orbit]

Even bigger dockspace than PabloEz 1k or mine 700

[karmic forum]

First dev30 DR that I know of though

[frail orbit]

Am feeling like a minnow keke

[coral wren]

I only have 600 dock.

[empty grove]

Could have done it like 2 weeks ago

Not gonna waste gen on it tho

[karmic forum]

Enjoy the dominance on PvP for the time being

[frail orbit]

🐳

[zenith tundra]

nagato bug has been reported already so it should be fixed soon

[coral wren]

Kurumi will be pvp dom for like 3 months

[empty grove]

I wont hold my breath

[karmic forum]

You didn't use a single DR gen bp?

[empty grove]

Nah

[karmic forum]

The fuck

[empty grove]

I used most on FDG

[karmic forum]

Oh ok

[zenith tundra]

i did the same to keep them close

[coral wren]

I named my fdg mama kurumi o.o

[karmic forum]

I'm saving mine until I can dev 30 both

[frail orbit]

Same

Anticipating for fs5

[coral wren]

I have 151 gen blue prints, who should i give it to?

Fs5?

[karmic forum]

Honestly I just use gen bps for PR1s

[marsh bane]

f2p

[shell heron]

same. I'll dev30 most PR2 ships before Azuma or FdG

without gen bps

[zenith tundra]

just keep them till u get enough bps to fate 5 all pr2 then use them on pr1

[coral wren]

We only get like 10 dr bp from events anyway.

[karmic forum]

My PRs are all around dev 28-29 while DRs are dev21

And this is with max DR focus basically

[marsh bane]

Meanwhile I'm happy about this and Famine has double the prints

[coral wren]

You get more bp from cube research?

[shell heron]

at a better rate yes

[coral wren]

Is it even worth it?

[empty grove]

For me it is

Cause I need cog chips

[karmic forum]

Cube research really does speed up the process

Its how Kurumi was able to finish DRs at this time

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

Cog chips helpful. I started spending too much and dropped below 100 in feburary.

[shell heron]

your other option is to refresh the list with Q-3xx or G-412. which is far slower

[ripe latch]

8 coubs and 8k golds
@
5 pr1 prints and one yaptune bp

[frail orbit]

Never on T series research anyway

Also

[coral wren]

So do those numbers actually correlate to specific bp?

[frail orbit]

Finally FS5ed main PVE tank

[ripe latch]

|| #trophy-room ||

[zenith tundra]

did u not have all pr1 fate 5?

[coral wren]

I have no pr1 at fate 5 xD

[frail orbit]

did u not have all pr1 fate 5?
@zenith tundra still a loss on Izumock and Nodtune, still d30

Since they're the last ones that I d30ed

[coral wren]

I only finished getting all pr1 in march.

[frail orbit]

And personally am not interested to actually fs5ed em

[coral wren]

I actually got all pr2 before finishing pr1 and it took 6 pr exp farms to get Nicolas.
Farming the exact same field for months e.e
Sad part, found out fleet tech no good in pvp.

[empty grove]

9-3

[zenith tundra]

this is scary

36s noshiro dead

[karmic forum]

Time to bring out the chinawall

[empty grove]

You probably got unlucky

She spawns all the torps in front of her before they spread

So if auto skims that point, you take literally all the torps

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't live even with heal as main tank in 11-4 hm

[karmic forum]

I hope they start catching up EN on HMs

[frail orbit]

She wont

[karmic forum]

I need some hard content for once

[coral wren]

Would nanoda survive torp memes?

[frail orbit]

Imagine blazing a light armor

[light crystal]

Isnt 11-4 HM sendai values bugged anyway?

[sterile bluff]

@empty grove teach me master, how tf do u dev30 azumilf so quickly?

[empty grove]

Ohh wtf

That was HM

I forgot that came out

[shell heron]

[frail orbit]

@empty grove teach me master, how tf do u dev30 azumilf so quickly?
@sterile bluff no T series research, just coobs research

[karmic forum]

I've heard that its on the same level as W13 in terms of difficulty

[sterile bluff]

Y series?

wtf

there's a Y series?

[frail orbit]

Pardon

[sterile bluff]

nvm

[frail orbit]

Typo

[zenith tundra]

11-3 is just as brutal but less bursty and more consistent damage

[sterile bluff]

wait so basically just Hs?

[frail orbit]

Pulling all nighter anyway

Cant sleep

[coral wren]

Is there place i can find what research series means o.o?

[frail orbit]

G too

[karmic forum]

See cube research, take cube research

[frail orbit]

But H for refresh

[sterile bluff]

rn i only do G-412 and Q-3 for refresh and fish for face projects

that's going slow af

[karmic forum]

Stay on top of research by taking quick refreshes and hope to roll as many 30 min research as possible

[frail orbit]

Meh Q series

[sterile bluff]

for refresh

[empty grove]

Cubes, speed refresh & take DR face

[sterile bluff]

how often do u even get DR face?

[karmic forum]

Fairly often

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

Sounds like take all blue or purple H you can find until a good D shows up

[empty grove]

2:30 is fairly common

[frail orbit]

A lot

[zenith tundra]

i don't think is nowhere near as bad as w13. i did all mobs in 11-4 with lvl 110 ryuuhou and lvl 111 taihou and lvl 117 izumo

[sterile bluff]

i counted my PR faces it's roughly only 1 a day for a specific ship...

like wtf

is my luck just dog shit?

[karmic forum]

W13 mobs weren't the challenge anyways

How does the boss compare to W13 bosses?

[coral wren]

Mine is probably worse Essex

[sterile bluff]

lol

i can't rly complain with my 3 457s in a day so

i think that's what drained all my luck for the next 10 years

[coral wren]

5 /50 rainbow gun.
Even my amagi account has more rainbow gun bp.

[sterile bluff]

just checking but did u set research to pr2 focus?

[karmic forum]

Thats seems shockingly low

[zenith tundra]

i think 11-3 and 11-4 are hard to auto s rank because they can just delete vg easily and especially 11-3 is hard to deal dmg to due to moving patterns

[coral wren]

Yeah, its sad how bad rng i have.

[sterile bluff]

@empty grove how many cubes do u spend a day on research?

[karmic forum]

I'll have to refresh myself on the W11 bosses

[empty grove]

Depends on how many blue/purple appear

[sterile bluff]

on average

like an estimate

[coral wren]

Lol, all the cubes

[karmic forum]

But couldn't you use CV comps to burst the bosses down?

[sterile bluff]

i just need to know a rough number

[coral wren]

Like 20 cubes

[empty grove]

I didn't actually count

[sterile bluff]

20 coobes?

o_O

[coral wren]

A day

[empty grove]

If I get a lot of blue H maybe around 20

[sterile bluff]

damn...

[empty grove]

Purple would push that higher

[sterile bluff]

how do u even keep up with that?

[empty grove]

I mean

[coral wren]

You guys say do not do gold cube research....right?

[empty grove]

It's not like AL is expensive

[sterile bluff]

cubes and coins r pretty expensive tbh

oil is ok

[empty grove]

The 30 min H is ok

4 hour is trash

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't do 4h H even if I were whaling

[sterile bluff]

depends on which gold cube @coral wren

[empty grove]

Yeah

4H is hard avoid

[sterile bluff]

the 30min gold cube is godly

but some say it's scam forming

[shell heron]

10 cubes for mediocre bp count

[empty grove]

It isn't worth it's value

The 30 min one

[sterile bluff]

but the time tho

[empty grove]

But it's fast, & decent so it's fine for someone who whales

[karmic forum]

Depends on how much you need coins

[sterile bluff]

lol

[coral wren]

If you want to beat kurumi, get better job, sugar daddy, sue someone, or get inheritance.

[sterile bluff]

how much do u even whale then?

cuz buying cubes with gems is pretty expensive

[karmic forum]

If you ignore the 8k gold req then its just a better version of 1h cube

[sterile bluff]

99 cubes is 2.7k gems

which is a lot tbh

[coral wren]

So only do purple and blue cube research?

[sterile bluff]

2.7k is like what? more than 20 USD

[empty grove]

Nah

I'd personally tell people to avoid purple

[sterile bluff]

i wouldn't do purple cube tbh

[empty grove]

It's expensive

[sterile bluff]

ye purple isn't that good

[karmic forum]

Its more like 40 USD

[sterile bluff]

and slow refresh

40 USD???

damn

[empty grove]

I just do it cause as I said before, I need cog chips

[coral wren]

So only blue cube research?

[sterile bluff]

wait so in total how much did u spend deving the DRs? @empty grove

and how long did it take?

i need motivation

[empty grove]

You'd be fine with blue H, fast refresh & face DR

[marsh bane]

It took as long as PR2 is available

[empty grove]

Bruh

[marsh bane]

so like 4.5 months, bit less

[sterile bluff]

damnnnn...

[empty grove]

I couldn't even answer how much I spent

[sterile bluff]

4.5 months for d29 fdg and d30 azumilf

[empty grove]

Cause skins & events

[sterile bluff]

that's insane

[marsh bane]

4 digits

[sterile bluff]

what's 4 figits?

[marsh bane]

$

[sterile bluff]

4 digits in 4.5 months?

[empty grove]

Well

[sterile bluff]

that's ehhh

idk

[empty grove]

I stopped buying oil so it's ok

[coral wren]

Oh like 1000 yen

[empty grove]

[sterile bluff]

bruh 1000 yen is like a few dollars

or smth

idk

[empty grove]

1000 yen is like 8 usd

[sterile bluff]

lmao ye

[marsh bane]

stopped buying oil
USS event flashbacks

[coral wren]

Lol exactly, but in 4 digits right

[sterile bluff]

so what's ur job? @empty grove

[empty grove]

I could calculate it if I wanted, its all written down

[sterile bluff]

bruh

[empty grove]

But I don't want to

[sterile bluff]

same

i track my research

so i can complain about my rng to other ppl later

[coral wren]

I would have spent money on anime expo, so i should use that money on getting fdg, azuma instead Q.Q

[zenith tundra]

glad to see this works too. ws tank and fdg 457

[sterile bluff]

what the fuckkkkkkkk...

that's a lotta dmg

why is ur warkai sleeping?

[zenith tundra]

she sunk due to ws monarch and amagi focus

[sterile bluff]

that's sad

[coral wren]

Does fdg only have 457?

[sterile bluff]

wdym

[zenith tundra]

not really. i can just use her as a tank and not feel bad for fdg

i only have 1 457

[sterile bluff]

if u have 1 457 do u give it to fdg or warkai?

[zenith tundra]

ws is the obvious choice. i'm just testing switching ws and fdg roles

[frail orbit]

Wakai
FDG too unreliable

[sterile bluff]

okie

[zenith tundra]

having ws die so fdg can carry. tired of the opposite

[sterile bluff]

oof

[zenith tundra]

even so past vg death fdg dps should be way superior to ws with 457

[sterile bluff]

@empty grove so lemme summarize u do 3hr cube and G-412 for refresh and wait on DR faces?

i need to absorb ur teachings

cuz waiting for face projects isn't working for me

i legit only get 1 a day for a specific ship

[zenith tundra]

just waste all ur cubes and u'll get it done fast. not like any event ship will be better then fdg/azuma

[steady temple]

@empty grove what server do u play on? might want to snipe u on PvP to fight that sweet dev 30 FdG

[frail orbit]

Collection rate tho

[sterile bluff]

it's a dev30 azumilf just saying

[frail orbit]

Also fleet tech

@steady temple his FDG not yet on d30

D29

[zenith tundra]

both don't matter in this channel

[empty grove]

FDG dev 29

[frail orbit]

Yeah being pvp channel keks

[sterile bluff]

but even if i do the 3hr Hs...

[empty grove]

1 hour or 2 hour

[sterile bluff]

the face projects still don't show up

[empty grove]

You can just do 1 hour Q for a refresh too

[sterile bluff]

i get face projects for all the ships i don't want

[frail orbit]

Just do the fastest ones

[sterile bluff]

so basically i should still fish for faces

[empty grove]

Well it varies

[sterile bluff]

that's what u r saying

[steady temple]

@empty grove what server do u play on ? im in washy.

[coral wren]

Oh, so blue cubes research = 271 runs to equal 80 USD.

[empty grove]

1:30 pr2 is probs better Q pr1

[frail orbit]

He's avrorancaster
Aint ya

[empty grove]

@steady temple Avrora

[steady temple]

that is so........sad

[sterile bluff]

should i take other face projects?

or avoid them

[coral wren]

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