pvp

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

nanoda

become food

[meager dawn]

no u

[coral wren]

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

sad

why wont u become food

[frail orbit]

Less lvl pls be food

For us sandbeggars

[meager dawn]

cuz pvp

just get nanobread @coral wren

[coral wren]

yes

[shell heron]

[coral wren]

u should become nanobread

5mins until reset.

thanks to my dying list my score gonna be so bad

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

oh fuck im missing 1 exercise

hope i dont...

[eager cedar]

20secs

[coral wren]

FUCK

i lost one

there goes the plans for aotn

this is my only chance too, normally id have school which is even more impossible

[eager cedar]

you missed quite a few this season

[coral wren]

i only missed 1

[eager cedar]

oh

[coral wren]

i feel so bad

[eager cedar]

im confusing you with someone elese then

[coral wren]

26 points behind the chart

how the fuck am i going to recover

[eager cedar]

you can still aotn

[coral wren]

are u sure?

26 points?

[eager cedar]

yea

[coral wren]

i sure hope so... please let my matchups move

[eager cedar]

are you wanting gensui or eos gensui

[coral wren]

nope

i just want aotn

the difference between #10 and #1 in points isnt that big

but im pretty sure im not getting gensui at all

[eager cedar]

ive gotten gensui missing 8 fights before

[coral wren]

[eager cedar]

i just had to sandbag a little harder than usual

[coral wren]

how do u sandbag harder

show me the way senpai

[eager cedar]

login every 30mins or so

[coral wren]

oh...

login after every episode of one piece

[eager cedar]

If the two on the right could rush, that be great

[coral wren]

why not the ones on the left tho

[meager dawn]

why not all of them

[coral wren]

actually the leftmost rushing would be the most benefitcial for u right

[eager cedar]

true, if they could all rush that be great

[coral wren]

unless one of them actually gets bonus points

[meager dawn]

yeah

all of them gets maximum bonus points

[eager cedar]

if i wake up and they dont move, ill be very sad

[coral wren]

if all of them rush and get maximum bonus points

u have to doubt ur life

what are u doing here sandbagging

[meager dawn]

shit how many exercises did I actually miss

[coral wren]

check ur points

[meager dawn]

I think around 7-8

[coral wren]

and the chart

[eager cedar]

something tells me misago is sandbagging

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

owo

they might be... level 120, nice defense fleet too.

wait ryn whats ur name

[eager cedar]

ah, youre the guy who missed quite a few fights

[coral wren]

imma check if u in my list real quick

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

[eager cedar]

RynXIII

[coral wren]

what server again

[meager dawn]

damn these refresh timers

[coral wren]

im avrora

[eager cedar]

yes

same server

[coral wren]

oh

i see...

[meager dawn]

how do you guys stay up at like 3 am

[coral wren]

oh.

[eager cedar]

ive been doing work

[meager dawn]

to sandbag shit

[coral wren]

simple.

sleep during daytime

wake up at like 11pm

[eager cedar]

got a lot of work done actually

win-win

[coral wren]

[meager dawn]

got nothing to do

[coral wren]

i see..

actually

there is a timeframe where u can sleep

[eager cedar]

checking al requires 5 seconds

[meager dawn]

nothing to keep me awake

[coral wren]

like ur reset goes +6h +6h +12h

the +12h is the time for u to sleep

[meager dawn]

seems like a recipe for disaster whenever I get back to school

[coral wren]

imagine if they didnt do the +12h and u got 5 exercises every 6 hours. that would be hell

[meager dawn]

[eager cedar]

that be annoying

[coral wren]

mines a catastrophe

my resets are 3pm, 3am, and 9am

[meager dawn]

dunno if I'll ever get back to school since it was basically the end of the school year when the quarantine started for us

or if we go straight into goddamn summer

[coral wren]

nice living in countries that have seasons*

fuck the equator

[meager dawn]

summer is a bitch to live through

goddamn heat

[coral wren]

rly?

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

if i had summer

id just stay hoem

no big dael

[meager dawn]

but that's what I've been doing

still a bitch to live through

[coral wren]

except when i have to go out and buy google/steam gift cards

usually i dont go out

[forest lake]

Feels bad to live in a country where it always feels like summer

[meager dawn]

climate change should change that

[midnight heron]

got scammed by today's free t5 ib box

[frail orbit]

U still better than me

My resets on 8am 2pm 2am

And am sleeping on 2am

Which means 6 hours only for me to sleep bkoz of Indo's fokin UTC+7

Anyway how's ur guys timezone?

[midnight heron]

just +1 to ur utc

[shell heron]

UTC -5

[eager cedar]

Oh he moved

[shell heron]

my resets are at 2am 2pm 8pm

[marsh bane]

UTC +2
9am, 9pm, 3am

[eager cedar]

Est
3am, 3pm, 9pm

[shell heron]

if you're NA. wait for DST to screw us again

[marsh bane]

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

how does my rusher friend get #42

[eager cedar]

[shell heron]

if you're far up already

more likely people there would move

[coral wren]

disgusting

im slowly losing hope of aotn

[shell heron]

but I said the drawback before

little to no bonuses

[coral wren]

i see..

im having some trouble here actually.

my matchups dont move

[shell heron]

Avrora?

[coral wren]

and im behind by alot of points cuz i missed 1

yes

[shell heron]

I look for a list with lvl 80-110

[eager cedar]

Why did you wait 30mins to move

[shell heron]

those people might move

[coral wren]

oh

my list is all above 94

[eager cedar]

It’s pure rng

[shell heron]

I never said will move

[coral wren]

wait

i realised...

[shell heron]

not everyone cares to do all their pvp matches

[coral wren]

im more behind than i thought

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

42 points

im done with this season right?

time to find a rope and hang myself

[eager cedar]

You can salvage that tbh

[coral wren]

salvage?

howwww

they dont even move ahhhh

[eager cedar]

It’s still early in the season

[coral wren]

and we are slowly getting into "low bonus point territory"

i just want aotn, the next time i can get aotn possibly will be december.

[eager cedar]

I’ve gotten aotn with 8missed and some light sandbagging before

December

[coral wren]

i had more success while doing 0-5... i probably shouldnt have changed to 5-10

reason for it being december is that i need holidays to sandbag

not sandbag, like i need holidays to use all my tries

school cucks 1 out of 3 resets per day

[eager cedar]

Can’t you aotn if you only rush

[coral wren]

is that possible

[frail orbit]

As long as u win urs

And not in fooken Avrora

[eager cedar]

I kinda want to test it

Get aotn with zero sandbagging

Maybe I’ll do that next season

[coral wren]

lmao

"not in fooken avrora"

rip dreams

[ionic magnet]

its possible yea
i got aotn with 9 missed matches before

[coral wren]

what the...

whats the secret

do u catch up and rush with the others

[ionic magnet]

6 is definitely doable with mild sandbagging + rushing

[coral wren]

or do u rush later

pelase teach

[ionic magnet]

no just continue sandbagging

til last day

[coral wren]

im 42 points behind

[ionic magnet]

then rush

[coral wren]

oh what?

rush on last day???

[ionic magnet]

yea thats when most ppl are ded

sat/sun

[coral wren]

hmmmm

like last reset u rush or what

[ionic magnet]

not last reset

[eager cedar]

Gensui rush

[coral wren]

then u start rushing on sunday?

[ionic magnet]

do it between sat 2nd reset to sunday 1st reset

[coral wren]

i see..

what would be the decisive factor

whether to do it at which time would be better

[ionic magnet]

just look at the top 10 score right before a reset

if its "doable" then go ahead

if not then just wait for the next reset

[coral wren]

but im staying at a 5-10 range

that would mean i have to rush 10 exercises?

or do i use the 5 exercises, reset, then another 5

[ionic magnet]

yea just use all charges before a reset then immediately use all 5 after reset

[coral wren]

ohhhhh

i see how it is now..

thats very interesting

how often does this work btw

[ionic magnet]

you'd need a good fleet for that

[coral wren]

oh...

[ionic magnet]

to avoid resetting and wasting time

[coral wren]

thats an issue

but illl try my best

[ionic magnet]

yea

gl

[eager cedar]

Good thing you can restart fights

[coral wren]

if i do that

the chances would be better than rushing same time as others right

[ionic magnet]

well you want to finish faster than others yea

higher chances of getting aotn

[eager cedar]

Another rusher on list

[coral wren]

my list deader than me

[zenith tundra]

lvl 109 tosa against hms team

[vague token]

xD

[keen sparrow]

21k

tosa better than queen

[zenith tundra]

i don't think she competes with qe for a slot

she competes with hiryuu ws and fdg for a slot

[karmic forum]

Whoops I already missed 3 exercises I guess this is why I don't sandbag anymore

[upper sparrow]

the most painful thing about sandbag is missing the attempt

[crude mortar]

the most painful thing about sandbag is it fuck up sleep schedule

[coral wren]

im doomed. 5 hours and none moved

[crude mortar]

rusher rush after reset

I rush 5 min before reset

am I a rusher?

[meager dawn]

sandbag rusher

[zenith tundra]

not a bad reset

[meager dawn]

I got scammed

[zenith tundra]

?

+0 is impossible

might be just a visual bug

[meager dawn]

apparently I got 21 from that

internet connection screwing everything visually

[naive dome]

is helena good in pvp ?

[zenith tundra]

she can work with cv comps

not really used in meta comps due to rng based and most of the time u don't need/really benefit from using her with bb which is what most meta comps are

[ripe latch]

is helena good in pvp ?
@naive dome proc skill - win , not proc - lose

[crude mortar]

i'll do last 8min

i believe these shitter will give me atleast +1

[zenith tundra]

leftmost is like 70-80% a +1

[crude mortar]

i just gonna camp more

its not like if I atk now

next wave

gonna give +1 anyway

[karmic forum]

Ether is a sandbagger iirc

[crude mortar]

i think i've master art of sleeping

today

I wake up 10min before 8am reset

[zenith tundra]

if someone moved already and i can get even a +1 from it i always attack

[crude mortar]

then after 5 attempt I sleep

and next 6 hour

I do it again

and sleep

i do pvp while half sleep

sleep for 4 hour wake up and do pvp for 5min and sleep 5 more hour and do pvp for 5min and sleep 3 more hour

[zenith tundra]

hopefully u don't sleep on attempts like i always do

[crude mortar]

^

i wanna go 0/10 to get peaceful sleep but I realize

i can eat -1 if I do that

[zenith tundra]

ether is a sandbagger 100% guaranteed

just noticed his name

[karmic forum]

Zack what did you end up doing last season on EN?

Did you get the mega-bonus?

[zenith tundra]

around 1k score difference and got a +19 total

it seems to be capped

[karmic forum]

I'm testing a similar thing this season

Going for about a 2k score difference

[zenith tundra]

at 1k difference should be ~28 bonus

it's 100% capped

[karmic forum]

I'll test the cap for lieutenant commander

[ionic magnet]

im having qe flashbacks with mikasa

[zenith tundra]

aren't they just as useless?

[elder crane]

Mikasa is even more useless

[ionic magnet]

fought 2 namaspites so far
both ended at 8-2

and shes surprisingly not squishy as ppl are saying

[zenith tundra]

does something even hit her against namagi ws?

[elder crane]

That's cause Namaspite probably

Vanguard especially with Azuma eats Nagato barrage

[ionic magnet]

at the very least mikasa is definitely more useful than qe

[elder crane]

Mikasa gets hit by ????

Face a Hiryuu and probably

[ionic magnet]

maybe

we'll see

[elder crane]

That own damage is worse than Nagato by quite a bit, too

Mikasa doesn't even buff warkai barrage, no?
Just main guns, occasionally

[ionic magnet]

i shouldve asked zack to put up a real def fleet
rolled him just now but i refreshed already

[zenith tundra]

lol

want to make it easy for people to use attempts for bonuses

[ionic magnet]

i got macrocosmos with you so thats an insta refresh

lol

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score?

[ionic magnet]

sec forgot

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 607 6/10

[ionic magnet]

608

oh im at 5/10

ill try 2 more refresh

saw sumire but with meme def too

and this guy

[zenith tundra]

lol

@elder crane do u think multiplying edps and ehp is a good idea to compare equip setups? that's the only way i could think of comparing the different setups mathematically... the number itself doesn't matter but u can see differences in between equips that have higher edps and/or ehp vs ones with lower values

[elder crane]

Yep, multiplying them gives a decent "power level" summary of equips vs others

at least for ships not super skewed one way or another

or have skills that screw with it (cough Hiryuu)

[zenith tundra]

hard to calculate hiryuu ehp with final counter tbh

[elder crane]

Still, I think it's good, a lower "power level" summary like that tells you "you gotta have a good specific reason for running this setup", which is what I think we want

[zenith tundra]

i might include 2 more columns for overall dps and ehp comparation then.

[elder crane]

setups with comparable values then mean that they're pretty fair trade-offs worth generally considering, etc.

Not sure how you'd create a particularly useful "overall" DpS and eHP comparison, that isn't already covered by their raw values

scaling everything down in terms of a "standard" unit might be helpful? for at-a-glance things

[zenith tundra]

% compared to a specific spetup?

i divided the result for ehpxedps by like 10000000 so it's like 1.xx or 3.xx

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

well, basically, my thought is, 37k vs 46k eHP for example, isn't immediately obvious what sort of difference that is
if you can find a "baseline" value that setups are generally close to (or let users pick one as a standard, as I did in my original sheet), it's easier to understand
Here, for example, picking 40k as standard tells you one is 92.5% and the other is 115%, which is imo more comprehendable

same thing for eHP x eDpS

[zenith tundra]

etherstar is a sandbagger refresh list if u get him

[crude mortar]

gonna wait last 5min

[zenith tundra]

i want the table itself to be 2ndary to the whole setup thing since i allow people to compare against a specific ship and then give a result right next the setups themselves to have an easier reading of the whole thing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bIMMUpiKm3SSPhMU9pMh9tyN8FyKWK9JvqPREdFBbSI/edit#gid=1473191128

so i might just add 2 more columns to the right of the edpsxehp column to show dps % and ehp % differences compared to a default setup for everyone

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

yeah, let someone input in the eHP/eDpS to compare to, and add in 3 columns for relative values, seems good

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

What's surprising?

[ripe latch]

eva luck and acc

[elder crane]

what about them

[ripe latch]

can kaga bb most tank then suruga or tosa ?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think i'll let people choose default equip tbh. seems too much of a headache to script formulas. might just go with my favorite sg rudder for everyone

[elder crane]

have you read their skills?

[zenith tundra]

nowhere near suruga tbh

[elder crane]

you should read their skills

[zenith tundra]

should be tankier overall then tosa tho

42 luck vs 12 and higher base hp

[elder crane]

what I mean is
let someone input whatever eHP and eDpS values they want for baseline

let them manually input that

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[elder crane]

if you mean to change the equips of the ships you're comparing against, whatever

that doesn't matter too much, I think

and is quite the hassle

[zenith tundra]

u can choose defensive ship setup already

[elder crane]

Oh hey, you can, neat

[zenith tundra]

all the dropdown menus are to change equip/setups in the defense columns

[shy hazel]

oh yeah

so is there

any new good ship in amagi rerun

or all crap unlike amagi

[karmic forum]

For the purposes of PvP no

In general Tosa is a good pickup. Nothing is as good as Amagi in this event.

[zenith tundra]

tosa seems usable in pvp. i need to test against proper teams and at level 120 but she is more usable overall then suruga imo

[shy hazel]

pog

[karmic forum]

I guess Tosa could be good in the Amagi server with the lack of options

[shy hazel]

i was expecting them to show akagi bb

guess they didnt bother

[elder crane]

*Akagi BC

She would be same class as Amagi

[shy hazel]

i havent played for so long i forgot diff between bb and bc

[zenith tundra]

considering how different tosa and kaga bb are and are in the same class, i wouldn't expect much

actually tosa looks closer to amagi then kaga bb

[proper sorrel]

i keep forgetting to retreat before getting killed by lucky E

[crude mortar]

my patience is rewarded

[proper sorrel]

aye

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

behind by 37 points

[zenith tundra]

sounds like me in jp after missing like 3-4 attempts

[coral wren]

i only missed 1

[eager cedar]

if my list could move, this would be a very good reset for me

[crude mortar]

miss1

it over

[coral wren]

rip

i actually caught up by a bit

i was like 40 something behind that chart

now 37...

[zenith tundra]

i am 14 ahead of that chart

[shell heron]

I'm 8 ahead now

I find that chart pretty reasonable. it's average sandbagging points

[shell heron]

I'd move now before you drop a match

4 matches in 6 minutes is cutting it close if it's decent comps

[crude mortar]

they dont move

[eager cedar]

[shell heron]

dead reset is dead

[eager cedar]

shouldve refreshed that list

[zenith tundra]

he got that list 2hr before reset. most likely all of them already used their attempts

[coral wren]

Looks like an OK list

They better do something

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

Also my points suck

[eager cedar]

im doing ok so far

[coral wren]

Good for u then

[shell heron]

didn't you start trying to sandbag at 5/10

[hot creek]

probably lost a couple charges sleeping or something

[eager cedar]

he said he only missed one

[hot creek]

well he's like almost 50 points below me so lol

[eager cedar]

50 pts

[ripe latch]

3 2/10

w8

[proper sorrel]

why did no one ping me q.q

lost 6 attacks this season already

aaaaaaaaaaa

[crude mortar]

[hot creek]

lol go set up a recurring alarm if you care to.

[vague token]

alarms

[proper sorrel]

people move cmonnn

[zenith tundra]

u should set alarms if u want to sandbag if not it's too stupid since it's too easy to forget about resets

[proper sorrel]

Legendmaster69 and Legend666 wtf are these names anyways help me sandbag my way back up

[coral wren]

i missed one but im behind 36*....

[proper sorrel]

whats' your current score

[coral wren]

572 10/10

[proper sorrel]

oh im not doing so bad?

[coral wren]

noooo

fak

[proper sorrel]

missed 6 attacks, lost 2 but still at 566

[coral wren]

do i still have chance for aotn

[zenith tundra]

639 9/10

[proper sorrel]

just hope you get a #1 or smth

[coral wren]

zack do i still have chance?

[crude mortar]

609 10/10

[zenith tundra]

people who sandbagged did aotn rush after losing 8 attempts

[coral wren]

ok then.....

[proper sorrel]

oooo

[coral wren]

my opponents are shit

[zenith tundra]

it's not impossible by a long shoot

[coral wren]

[eager cedar]

[coral wren]

they dont move

the worst type of people possible

[proper sorrel]

mine are solid as rocks

[eager cedar]

Show us de wei remu desu

[proper sorrel]

my pet rock moves more than these people ._.

[coral wren]

i have to like get 40 something +1s

to get back to chart

[zenith tundra]

it's hard when u are behind since there is no way to know how many attempts opponents already lost and how much they will move. i would stay as a sandbagger score or just a bit ahead

like try and match scores close to the pinned table even if not 10/10

[coral wren]

oh

[eager cedar]

623 10/10

[coral wren]

but that would mean i have to rush 2 matches tho

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

don't do it now at the end of a reset

[coral wren]

end?

wasnt the last reset 25 minutes ago

[zenith tundra]

25min ago

yes

[coral wren]

smh i gave u my time

[zenith tundra]

just wait for next at this point

[coral wren]

mk then

[eager cedar]

Become food

[coral wren]

no

the next time i would be able to even have a chance of doing this is december

fuck school

[eager cedar]

Set alarms

[elder crane]

Ehh, I've done an AotN successful rush with 5 matches missed week 1 and 4 matches missed week 2

I feel like you can still hit AotN with even first 15 matches missed if you sandbag properly, given the interaction of bonuses with rank

[shell heron]

Saturday is for sure the best day to rush AotN. With some sandbagging before that, you can recover with bonuses off people rushing Friday

[coral wren]

hmm

okay

thx for the advice

[ripe latch]

ping on chat

[zenith tundra]

alec used to have discord pings for resets but it doesn't anymore

[eager cedar]

oh im at same points as zack right now

if you see me and want to test stuff out, give me a ping

[zenith tundra]

i wish i had tosa leveled up in en to test but only got her today

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

that would be the only thing i would be interested in testing rn

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

i'm testong her on jp but only level 111

[vague token]

list has been dead today reee

[tawdry juniper]

is georgia viable for pvp? If so, with what comp?

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't really fit in any specific comp which is one of her problems. u can use her as u would use ws retro in any comp but her results will be overall worse then just using ws retro

[vague token]

she's a pure solo ship with no anti-rng ability and no tank skills

so she's just w/e

[tawdry juniper]

[coral wren]

[hot creek]

Her barrage has targetting issues as well.

[vague token]

that goes with the anti rng

xD

[coral wren]

Would enty, ws, hiryuu work in pvp?

[hot creek]

probably, if you've nothing else better.

[coral wren]

not sure about offense

but defenitely ass defense fleet

[eager cedar]

[shell heron]

you caught a sandbagger

[coral wren]

[crude mortar]

is this eatable yet?

eat anyway nvm

[shell heron]

I usually wait 5 more minutes for any last match they might be finishing

[coral wren]

If I change my list now i will get people without bonuses right?

[shell heron]

I'm guess you already fought Pencok.

Same chance of new list moving now as your current list

[crude mortar]

I wait 15mon amd pencok didn't move

so I atk

*min

[hot creek]

I was naive to think any of these shitters would move . This is why its always good to have at least one sandbagger on list.

[vague token]

lul

[ionic magnet]

all i see is a filthy torp memer

[hot creek]

[crude mortar]

is it better to use proper engine rudder and shit or just go striaght 6 rainbow dildo for torp meme?

[hot creek]

I find the most effective is 1 rainbow dildo on each, at most.

cause they actually have a decent chance of surviving til second wave of torps

[vague token]

i need to get ibuki so i can run backline torps + frontline torps

[crude mortar]

im about to get my 6th rainbow dildo next 2 day

[vague token]

now that we have tosa we have a better bbkaga for backline torps xD

[hot creek]

if you go full retard 6 oxy then you have little chance of launching a second wave

[crude mortar]

can +10 x6 rainbow dildo just explode their vg first wave?

[hot creek]

yeah, so can x3 oxy tho

[crude mortar]

i wanna use but I dont wanna use naka cuz fuck 2nd torp

first torp and davai

[vague token]

it isnt worth using naka if you already have jintsuu/sendai

no retro

[sour oasis]

@inner zenith ha ha, I had a list of 40-ish active PvP players in a Jot memo, but I didn't want to scroll through the app so I stopped adding.

Shoot. I'm at 651 with 10/10 right now. I've definitely slept through at least 2 tickets.

[proper sorrel]

[quartz scaffold]

Is aviation gasoline worth buying and using than the fuel tank, or is the hp difference negligible?

[elder crane]

avgas you use for the plane speed

[quartz scaffold]

Oh ok

[elder crane]

some very niche applications in PvE, especially with Formidable
in PvP, imo not too important these days since environment is usually low-AA
(IJN AA )
I prefer beacon+rudder/VH armor on CVs in general
If your setup especially focuses on crash damage from planes though, could still be worth considering

[quartz scaffold]

I see. Thank you

[upper sparrow]

is it retarded to use ryuusei on formi and cuda on enty? should use double cuda?

[elder crane]

Formi in PvP is not going to hit vanguard with Ryuuseis, her timing for stop/slow is basically for support only
Makes much more sense to time it so Enty Ryuus launch at enemy vanguard right as Formidable stops them, and run cuda+albacore on Formi (probably with avgas+rudder on her for timing reasons)

[vague token]

wish we had a 2nd flood torp bomber

=/

[upper sparrow]

is not enty will launch first before formi tho, will formi stop vg at enty launch timing?

[elder crane]

Pretty sure beacon Enty with something like VF-17/Helldiver/Ryuusei launches the ~2 s faster needed to hit vanguard when stopped by non-beacon Formi with Helldiver/Cuda/Albacore?
If need be, run the Firebrand on Formidable instead of Cuda

Yeah, I think Helldiver/Firebrand/Albacore on non-beacon Formi lines up with VF-17/Helldiver/Ryuusei on beacon Enty

[vapid valve]

@upper sparrow That’s a slur

Please remove it

[crude mortar]

[eager cedar]

i love backseat modding

[crude mortar]

best way to start the day

[forest lake]

Whel

[crude mortar]

ROFL

[upper sparrow]

what slur?

[vapid valve]

R word

Just trying to help you

[crude mortar]

using nimi profile randomly start conversation with people could posibility causing them heart attack you know?

[proper sorrel]

tfw your vanguard dies in the first 4 seconds

[twin night]

is laffey preferable over aya in pvp?

[coral wren]

How effective are cv against vanguard?

[proper sorrel]

pretty good

[zenith tundra]

@vague token can u finish moving before last 5 min? wouldn't mind a bonus this reset after waiting 5 hrs on same list and no one moved

[eager cedar]

Everyone is moving but my list

[vague token]

oh sorry

missed your ping

[proper sorrel]

you're evil-ish

[rough depot]

How is this translates in PVP?

[proper sorrel]

it's good i guess, i mean aurora is good in pvp in general tbh

[rough depot]

This skill still activates but there's no Cargo, Torpedo and Bombings ships in PvP. Will I still get that 20% damage boost though?

[proper sorrel]

yes, but it'd only effect DDs at that point lol

[rough depot]

What a shame, guest I'm mostly using her for the yellow skill.

[zenith tundra]

her yellow skill is what she is used for anyway

@vague token don't worry i got a +1 anyway from u playing normally is fine

[smoky elk]

"only effect DDs" does a small bit against

[zenith tundra]

yeah but aurora dmg is nothing spectacular to be a thing

[past egret]

The skill “Z-Vanguard” on Z1, does it still apply if she’s sunk and the other Z destroyers in your frontline are alive?

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't say while alive so it should be still active after she dies

could ask in gph. maybe someone knows for sure

[crude mortar]

staying 10/10 actually better than 5/10

[zenith tundra]

unless u have a dead list for 6hrs

[crude mortar]

there will be some people doing last 10min anyway isn't it

and there are actually many people like this

going for 0/10 cuz they need sleep

[zenith tundra]

i've landed on list that never moved for 5:55

[inner zenith]

I try to stay 5/10 to avoid missing runs :p

[zenith tundra]

that's a good reason

[shell heron]

If where you live have awful reset times. Sure.

[crude mortar]

300 cube no naganami

[shell heron]

[eager cedar]

my list refuses to move

[shell heron]

my 3rd list isn't moving

I'll take 2 bonuses I guess

[zenith tundra]

better then my reset before when i got a +1 from kiro lol

all reset

[proper sorrel]

okay i think i have enough time to use my attacks

[eager cedar]

[proper sorrel]

or.. not

another stalling match

[zenith tundra]

[proper sorrel]

OKAY SAFE

barelyyyyy

[eager cedar]

inb4 9/10

[proper sorrel]

nah 10/10

though i lost 6 attacks so im in a bit of a pinch

[crude mortar]

if enemy BB firing HE to yukikaze and yukikaze skill proc that reduce damage to 1,does 4 other tick of burn calculate normally or also reduce?

[ionic magnet]

they do get calculated as separate instances so the following burns may or may not get reduced to 1

thats why fire ex is her bff

[coral wren]

[shell heron]

Not using fire suppressor is asking her to burn

🔥 🔥

[frail orbit]

^

[vague token]

she can rng the burn tick to 1 though

xD

[upper sparrow]

[proper sorrel]

hot damn

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

oh no, 30min Gascogne or blue FdG to choose from.

[hot creek]

fdg

well, if you're feeling lucky maybe gasgone

[eager cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-feel-lucky-punk-dirty-harry-clint-eastwood-gif-16607128

[shell heron]

I decided to gamble with gascogne. out of all the bps, one will have to be a DR right

[eager cedar]

sure

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

We will await results

[shell heron]

if I get even 1 DR bp, it's a victory

[hot creek]

ive been burned too many times by those projects, its not worth it since I am already dev 30 on all pr and it usually just gives PR. if the cost was only 3 cube I'd do it but its 5.

[shell heron]

it was worth, 7 PR and 1 FdG

and another FdG right after

[karmic forum]

Noice

[proper sorrel]

and i lost 2 attacks

forgot about reset at 6pm

[eager cedar]

rip

[proper sorrel]

happens everyday

oof

[zenith tundra]

[crude mortar]

ez game

[eager cedar]

pretty sure this #240 wont be a + but fuck it

😔

[shell heron]

I missed 2 good data now because my other alts cant fight meta

Lets try anyways

wait nvm, they rank 513 now

[eager cedar]

+2

[shell heron]

from 0 points?

that account is r16721

[eager cedar]

i was talking about myself

[shell heron]

yep base points is still 12 so +2 average

oh, it's a +49 if you never move til now

[zenith tundra]

+49 at 25 base?

[shell heron]

yes, wasn't able to the point difference tho

[zenith tundra]

that would be consistent with my +19 at 10 base with 1k score difference

so maximum points u can get is base score x2 -1

if u account a 900+ score it would be a +60 bonus with 15 treshold. half asleep math

[shell heron]

it does seem to have a cap. Was expecting more if there wasn't

[zenith tundra]

we still have no data on petty officer and ensign

[shell heron]

I'm surprised, we might not have enough people on those

[zenith tundra]

isn't this whole season just me and you collecting data....

[shell heron]

let me check the google form data. there might be new entries

no. we had a person share a google form on their server

[zenith tundra]

i didn't know that

[shell heron]

Let me see if I can share the form

I can, don't have permissions to update tho

I think row 40 is the last recorded entry from there

you got the share link to the raw data?

[proper sorrel]

i had a rank 16 on my list while i was rank ~700 but that fleet was way to overleveled for me to beat it

[shell heron]

same problem with my alt, but it's okay

once we got enough data on certain ranks, we can request for only lower ranks

[zenith tundra]

i want to change mastersheet to be kind of a recap of all ranks with the minimum treshold

is that ok?

[shell heron]

do what you must

I'll fix the references later

[naive dome]

is amagi+hiryu+enty the most annoying fleet backline?

[shell heron]

sounds easy. you can check the pins for current meta fleets

FdG is currently not on the list because she needs dev30 for that last MGM +1 and she's not common yet

[zenith tundra]

enty isn't much of a problem most of the time since ws can just delete her

i guess it depends if u have ws retro or not

[coral wren]

suruga akaga or hood akaga

[eager cedar]

I haven’t hit any x<100 yet this entire season

[zenith tundra]

[eager cedar]

The lowest I got was a 160 something

[proper sorrel]

im getting so many good opponents in a row :O

[zenith tundra]

@coral wren hood doesn't really support much foxes tbh. it was an old comp that worked at level 100. i don't think it works at level 120 against meta comps. suruga has the dr buff and she can tank ws, i haven't tested it but it might be a side grade to amagi + akaga

[coral wren]

Ooo then I guess it's time to change

[sterile bobcat]

Want to make a somewhat decent PvP fleet just for grinding merit quick, what ships should I use?

Also top row is lv105-110 since that's not visible

[proper sorrel]

Hood Enterprise ???
??? ??? Belfast

[zenith tundra]

for 3rd backline maybe nelson for now

[sterile bobcat]

How about Hood (flag) - Enty - NC, Portkai - Brem - Belfast since my Monarch is still dev 22

[proper sorrel]

don't bring norcal to pvp

[sterile bobcat]

Is Uni any good?

[zenith tundra]

helena and portland maybe as vg not sure how portland compares to london or cleveland

[proper sorrel]

healer in pvp

[sterile bobcat]

~~bruh I have no idea what the pvp meta is ~~

[proper sorrel]

Nelson/Hood/Enterprise
Portland/Z23/Belfast

[ionic magnet]

hood enty monarch belfast SL then farm a juneau

eh i wont bother levelling nelson tbh

[coral wren]

~~bruh I have no idea what the pvp meta is ~~
@sterile bobcat namagi

nanoda jun

[sterile bobcat]

I don't think my lv70 non-kai hiryuu is worth using right, compared to Monarch/NC anyway

[proper sorrel]

don't

[coral wren]

yup

u wanna use ur highest

[zenith tundra]

is an underleveled saint louis worth over portland?

also not dev 30

[proper sorrel]

i wouldn't

[coral wren]

hm

[ionic magnet]

i mean better level the good ships than investing more on meh botes

[zenith tundra]

monarch would work but u need levels on her

[ionic magnet]

that you would replace soon enough

so yea SL is better for sure

[zenith tundra]

portland is useful even in w13 tho

[ionic magnet]

well we talking about pvp

[zenith tundra]

is by a long shoot not a bad investment

[sterile bobcat]

If I should just bring my highest level ships then I'm pretty sure Portkai-Lonkai-Bel and Hood-Enty-NC is my best fleet
Not sure if its actually any good

[zenith tundra]

and i think pvp without pve is dumb

[ionic magnet]

pve is a joke

pls

just slap anything as long as youre not underlevelled

[sterile bobcat]

Seeing that PvP is auto-only (ironically), how about going full gunbote vg with portkai-lonkai-brem?

[proper sorrel]

something tells me i'd rather use minnea over brem in pvp

[sterile bobcat]

fair enough, what about portkai-belfast-minnie then

[ionic magnet]

you dont want to use your SL?

[zenith tundra]

full auto miss dmg aka ca in pvp

ca gun angles are terrible for pvp

also slow speed makes them very vulnerable to bb shoots and cv bombs

[sterile bobcat]

I def don't mind using Saint Louis, she's only dev 24 tho so idk if she's worth running

[ionic magnet]

better than portkai and minnie atleast

cos shes fast and decent tank

especially if you dont have ykkz

you definitely need more levels though

cos thats your biggest problem rn

[sterile bobcat]

Also I agree with @zenith tundra in that pvp doesn't seem CA-friendly, so if I'm currently looking at SL+Bel+1, should I add maybe Helena or nimi?
Also yeah I'm well aware I need levels, too busy grinding event atm

[zenith tundra]

helena for enty since none of the other vg u have is relevant tbh

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bobcat]

Does Cleve do anything useful?

[zenith tundra]

her fleet buff is less consistent then helena dubuff and also less powerful

[sterile bobcat]

I see, I'll try SL-Helena-Belfast then

Also, y'all sure a lv100 NC isn't better than a lv92 dev 22 Monarch?

[ionic magnet]

i mean NC might be better right now
but theres no reason to take her over monarch if you plan to max them

[zenith tundra]

north carolina wasn't relevant when akaga was best comp around. nowdays there are way less cv around on defense tbh

[sterile bobcat]

Yeah well I'll swap in Monarch when I eventually dev30 her, I'm just saying she's one of the few BBs that I use at all so she might be my best option for now at least

[ionic magnet]

8 levels behind sure you can use NC for now
but ill still take monarch tbh for those free exp

[naive dome]

is the meta for attack different than the meta for defense?

[abstract cypress]

nope

cuz all is fckin ijns so

[zenith tundra]

some comps that work on offense aren't really good for defense

defense is pretty much namagi + hiryuu/ws

u can use stuff like ws formi centaur on offense but it doesn't work at all on defense

[sterile bobcat]

What would be some good backline comps other than namagi+hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

namagi is used in most of the meta pretty much. outside of that hms and some cv comps works

and yes there is a tier list in pins with comps

[ionic magnet]

need to clean that list soon

[abstract cypress]

2k20 and still no non-ijn op pvp ship

[granite flame]

@sterile bobcat
Amagi Nagato Suruga
Amagi nagato WarKai
Warkai monarch QE
Formi centaur some other hms comp
Wash Soudak amagi
wash soudak enty
FDG(dev25+) Warkai amagi
FDG bisko tirpits (meme)

[abstract cypress]

FDG bisko tirpits (meme)

[zenith tundra]

it will be cleaned when fdg is added

[granite flame]

im close to 15k with fdg tirpitz bisko

[zenith tundra]

i'll leave old comps as untiered not completely removed tho

[granite flame]

if fdg gets more rating as her dev level goes up

peaking 15k with german bb's

[zenith tundra]

u can hit 16k backline

and actually good comp

not a meme one

[granite flame]

with warkai

not full KMS

[abstract cypress]

full kms comp

man of culture

im missin fdg

[eager cedar]

[abstract cypress]

my kms ships already 120

b4 fdg comes

[granite flame]

15k SOONTM

[zenith tundra]

it's a meme comp

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

if graf didn't have such a bad loadout it might have been viable

[granite flame]

I cant remember if roon prinz leipkai frontline has more rating than zvanguard

i wonder if you stick double oxy on all 3 of each comp if you can get 16k rating or more

[zenith tundra]

just for information purpose. FLEET POWER is useless

[sterile bobcat]

So I went through the pins, apparently the only somewhat meta fleet I can reasonably build is Washy-SoDak-Enty backline, and some combination of SL, Belfast, Juneau and YKK for vg

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra nah later on itll be useful

[abstract cypress]

thats not op enuff

for beat ijns

[granite flame]

16400 rating backline can mean double 457

[abstract cypress]

[granite flame]

still not like many people will have 2 457

lol

[zenith tundra]

i can beat 16k comps with a 14.7k namaryuu

[granite flame]

yea it means nothing

[zenith tundra]

that's how useful it is

[granite flame]

it looks nice though

double 15k looks nice

[zenith tundra]

and very bad

[granite flame]

yup

[zenith tundra]

anything past 14k vg is usually just memes

[granite flame]

on vanguard at least

yessir

[crude mortar]

I beat 16k come with 12k comp

*comp

[zenith tundra]

16k what backline or vg?

[crude mortar]

back

how do you get 16k vg anyway

sandy azuma?

[zenith tundra]

sandy aya jintsuu is an easy one

[sour oasis]

Fffff.. Forgot to exercise. Two minutes left.

[eager cedar]

[sour oasis]

Just ate three tickets. Dragging takes a lot of reminders. Next season I'm just rushing.

These -50 aren't worth the bonuses during week 2.

[meager dawn]

sandy jintsuu emile for that ez vanguard fleet power

[zenith tundra]

i don't get why people don't use alarms

[shell heron]

the only bad reset time for me is 2AM

[zenith tundra]

if i'm doing other stuff i forget easily about resets

[sour oasis]

I hit snooze too often alarms mean nothing when I'm busy.

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

then become food for sandbaggers

[eager cedar]

[sour oasis]

I'm not on anyone's lists

But yeah, rushing 100% probably gets me the same 2500ish score per season than dragging. And less stress when going for AotN

[eager cedar]

whats your ign

ill ping if youre on my list

[sour oasis]

Avrora?

[eager cedar]

yea

[sour oasis]

Look for my user name. I'm not terribly clever.

[eager cedar]

[sour oasis]

Think I was rank 2000 (950) before I logged out.

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra suruga double sg or sg+ihr better for tank?

[zenith tundra]

tank is always better sg rudder

double sg is if u don't tank much like only 1 opponent ship focusing but en is pretty much only ws+amagi focus anyway

[ripe latch]

[velvet oracle]

guys what was it again, per level difference is +-2% damage done and taken, and some evasion rate whatsit?

0.1%?

[zenith tundra]

yes

+2% dmg done -2% dmg taken and +0.1% evaision +0.1% hit per level advantage

[velvet oracle]

oh okay

[zenith tundra]

1 nagato barrage down

[zenith tundra]

around 30% wr with tosa underleveled

[ripe latch]

not much hp on tosa or other problem with her?

[shy hazel]

zack did u alrdy get all of this events ship

[ripe latch]

hm suruga tosa amagi

[zenith tundra]

yes got them all for once

had 14 cubes left when i got tosa

problem is my tosa dies too fast to have juneau mid and juneau dies too fast being front. more speed just kills my yukikaze too fast.

i'll wait for 120 for actual tests tho

[ripe latch]

maybe vh help to 115lvl?

[zenith tundra]

being 7 level under is an handicap

i'm pretty sure wr won't be over 70% no matter what i do against namagi fdg

too barrage dependant comp

and 457 nagato in mirror is terrible

i also managed to actually lose while testing. somehow 3 of my ships died within 1s

[safe meteor]

testing Tosa in pvp?

[eager cedar]

I guess I’m going +0 this reset

[coral wren]

Im in amagi server, which core equip should i get first?

[zenith tundra]

/coredata

[strange moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512967149975896084/704426183898693762/Core.jpg

[zenith tundra]

for pvp u might want Aviation fuel/homing beacon for cv

outside of that nothing really relevant for pvp

oxy is ok but torp memes aren't recommended imo. white shell is ok too if u don't have anything better

[safe meteor]

VF-17 also good fighter for pvp?

or does that get beaten by Reppu?

[zenith tundra]

it's barely an improvement over other gold fighters with 2x 500lb bombs

i would leave it after more important stuff

[safe meteor]

ah yea, if you focus on pvp, the other gear help out a lot more

[zenith tundra]

reppu is aa bait but there isn't much aa to go around so vf-17 is perfectly fine

[elder crane]

Reppu also highest crash damage fighter

[coral wren]

I have no luck in getting good cv.

[elder crane]

basically
more crash damage on main + AA bait for more crash damage on main
vs
Defensive AA buff + slightly more damage on vanguard with bombs

[zenith tundra]

1% crash dps increase from reppu over vf-17

[coral wren]

Is there a list for crash dmg?

[zenith tundra]

from 302 with vf helldivers cudas to 305 with reppu helldivers cudas

[elder crane]

Wiki has it on individual pages

also interception fighters still do crash damage

so it can be more than that

[zenith tundra]

sure but we are still talking about really low %

[coral wren]

Which is better in pvp, cuda or ryusei?

[zenith tundra]

the difference in dps is also kind of irrelevant tbh form 608 to 604 with 50% bomb hit%

[elder crane]

depends what you want to do and on what ship

cuda is much more crash damage, which gets in more damage on enemy main fleet earlier

[zenith tundra]

i would use cudas on anything that isn't hiryuu tbh.

[elder crane]

Ryuusei can RNG (not so RNG on Centaur in FC) get in lots of damage on vanguard, and after vanguard fight is over, it will nuke individual enemy main fleet ships with torps

Hiryuu, for example, generally prefers Ryuuseis since final counter means her damage is backloaded

she'll often be the final nuke on enemy main fleet, which Ryuuseis are better at

[coral wren]

Oh, thats why ppl recom ryusei for hiryuu

[eager cedar]

I’ll go out for a run and hope my list moves

[zenith tundra]

if by this point they haven't moved i doubt will happen

[vague token]

i got someone moving like 30 minutes ago

xD

[crude mortar]

i've seen some of them using 818

my fleet become slow and enemy amagi just kaput

the vg

[ripe latch]

wow finally some good food

[crude mortar]

[sterile bluff]

dat looks kinda op

minus the kawakaze

[shell heron]

dev20+ FdG can tank quite a bit already, but missing pretty big damage from dev30

and lvl 109 Amagi

[eager cedar]

oh i should attack now