pvp

[elder crane]

why do you need a slow

Ark though is like kinda legit?
she nukes vanguards pretty hard if you stack another slow

problem is after that, now what

[sour oasis]

Bigger question is why 💚

[vague token]

for the memes

still leveling taihou for thiccer bulge version of ws/cent/formi

xD

[shell heron]

ok I'll take a +1 this reset

oh wait. it's this lusty/eldy player again

excuse me

my vg lost

[vague token]

the curse haunts you

im at +1 this entire day

=/

ded

[junior trench]

Now this has got me thinking though, which BB could capitalize the best off of triple slow?

[sterile bluff]

warkai?

[junior trench]

Maybe, sadly I missed that Warkai event because my stupid self decided to stop playing for a few months

So no Warkai for me

But I wouldn’t doubt that it works

I would guess maybe someone who usually has a hard time hitting their mark would be a good candidate

[charred sable]

Well that's a first

[ionic magnet]

Now this has got me thinking though, which BB could capitalize the best off of triple slow?
@junior trench if you meant using ark royal, dont bother
you'll have to use suboptimal gun to sync with her cos shes really slow
only BB that times perfectly with her is kgv

[elder crane]

nah, ark can time... if she memes

[ionic magnet]

exactly

[elder crane]

actually, I don't think memes are needed anymore

since beacon

[ionic magnet]

her fastest with beacon and 2x cuda is still 22s

[elder crane]

pre-beacon, she needed to run fulmar+2 cuda

[ionic magnet]

but 2x cuda on ark royal is

[elder crane]

err, pretty sure it's faster than that

fulmar + 2 cuda was the right timing for mk6 iirc

without beacon

[ionic magnet]

well i didnt use fulmar on 22s

so yea could be a bit faster

but thats just next level memes

[elder crane]

I wonder if beacon is enough to use bombercuda+ryuus
probably not

hey, fulmar actually has good crash damage

... for a DB

[ionic magnet]

i guess it can work if you really push it

[elder crane]

I'm sure you can squeeze in bombercuda+Ryuu+cuda though

hmmm
maybe?

[ionic magnet]

tho if you make her too fast she might overlap with formi

so whats the point

[elder crane]

Nah, can't fit in a single ryuu

Formi can go even faster

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

VF-17+cuda+albacore+beacon

[safe meteor]

hmmm btw

maintenance, is it safe to leave 5 attempts

i mean, remember last time?

[elder crane]

maybe

there's no UI changes or anything, it's just an event

[safe meteor]

what UI changed last time then?

[elder crane]

...which hasn't stopped them from screwing things up majorly

[ionic magnet]

that would make formi fire first though

[elder crane]

if you make her too fast she might overlap with formi
wait is formi first or second

[ionic magnet]

meaning her slow is the one getting wasted instead

formi is faster so

[elder crane]

if formi is second
then pretty sure you need to slow her down, lol

[ionic magnet]

or you mean make ark fire first

[elder crane]

so speeding ark up is a plus

[ionic magnet]

oh

is that even possible

now im curious

[elder crane]

idk
you said Ark being faster was a minus with formi due to slow overlap
which only makes sense if formi fires first

[ionic magnet]

yea thats what i assumed

[elder crane]

bombercuda is basically fighter speed, so yeah

and they have same base reload and same plane loadout

add a beacon and Ark first is trivial

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

are TBs the slowest plane or DBs?

[elder crane]

given Ark's 80% DB slot, bombercuda is optimal anyways, pretty sure

DBs are usually

well, mostly heccdabber

[vague token]

just farm up two more fairey albacores

forehead

[ionic magnet]

im not really updated on these new planes but yea ig timings can work

winrate is entirely different matter though

[sterile bluff]

wait heccdabber slower than cuda?

[vague token]

helldiver is slowest plane in game?

i think?

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

lemme check

oh grumman is

grumman avenger 14.57

parallel torps

big brain

[elder crane]

heccdabber is the slowest good plane in the game

[ionic magnet]

maintenance, is it safe to leave 5 attempts
its simple, are you a sandbagger? then never go 0/10

[vague token]

unless you donating

xD

[elder crane]

if you want to do some hedge, go to like 2/10, 3/10

until you'd have to eat a +9

[vague token]

become the sandgifter

[ionic magnet]

falied maints happened only twice right?

[vague token]

[elder crane]

overdue maint?

[ionic magnet]

yea

[elder crane]

I think 4 times now?

[ionic magnet]

i mean the ones who went beyond reset times

oh wait i counted the whole mess recently as one only

[elder crane]

one UI overhaul, first DST shift, server issues, server issues electric bugaloo

[ionic magnet]

oh

[elder crane]

also I think there was one with some other mechanic added iirc

so 5 maybe?

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/580077249760460801

I forget what this was for

[sour oasis]

I miss the original enemy HP life bars. Without that stupid scroll.

[elder crane]

but searching my message history here, this was one of the older overruns

[vague token]

i wonder if it would be better to put formidable mid in ws/formi/taihou

[sour oasis]

So glad I already lost 5

[ionic magnet]

oof so many old peeps in there

[vague token]

cyaneko is missed =/

[ionic magnet]

yea what happened to him

he just poofed

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

he couldnt take us anymore

xD

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[vague token]

i mean it isnt like he would tell me xD

[elder crane]

oh yeah, may 20th last year was UI overhaul

[junior trench]

Back to the previous comment , why wouldn’t KGV be good with Ark, Formi, White Heart?

She does fairly good damage, definitely nothing to scoff at, and her barrage is top notch as well

[vague token]

kgv doesnt shoot when they launch

[ionic magnet]

kgv works perfectly if you use normal plane setups
but yea looks like you can adjust ark and formi to work with slow guns

[vague token]

otherwise that would be good

oh ok

but i thought kgv misses them because quick shoot

into 30 second 2nd shot

or w/e

[junior trench]

Are we making a new wacky meme team?

Because NGL, this fleet actually sounds fun to use

[ionic magnet]

kgv second shot is around 26s iirc but too long since i used her
but anyways ark royal slow should last long enough for kgv to sync

[vague token]

ark royal slow lasts 8s so yeah

[junior trench]

What if we gave Ark the shop Swordfish?

Then even more slow

[vague token]

i mean you could but since ark is just global slow, no need to hit

it's kinda overkill

[ionic magnet]

[past egret]

Add Tashkent for extra slow

If you’re going to over do it, go all the way

[junior trench]

I actually am loving this team so far, it sounds super fun and probably super funny to watch.

[past egret]

When does the new event come out, or the data mines for tosa?

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

should be around 2 hrs from now?

atleast thats when they usually datamine

[junior trench]

The thing I’d be worried about with Tashkent is that that would make it a two destroyer frontline.

[past egret]

I see, I am eagerly awaiting power creeped Amagi or suruga to be introduced

[elder crane]

Tash slow is anyways

[past egret]

@junior trench I believe 2 destroyer + Azuma tank isn’t terrible

[ionic magnet]

i love tashkent but yea her slow is

[elder crane]

1.5% every time fairy hits something, up to 10 stacks for 15%
but as soon as she doesn't refresh for 4 s (iirc), back to 0

[past egret]

Nanachi boats slow is the only thing good about her right

No other reason to even consider using Tashkent?

[junior trench]

Hmm

What does Azuma do btw? I don’t own her, so I was wondering?

[past egret]

Simple

A Backline ship in the frontline

[junior trench]

Makes me think of Deutschland when you say it like that

Too bad Deutschland or Spee are no where near as good

[past egret]

Outdated designs vs one of the most modernized ships japan could have developed + DR rarity

[junior trench]

Ya

But still

[past egret]

Also her skills are

Very gooood

[junior trench]

There is still hope though, there’s one more sister of Deutschland that hasn’t been released if I remember correctly

Maybe she’ll get some good skills

[elder crane]

Azuma goes yeet on vanguard with splash damage shots
and in the downtime when not at correct angle, tickles main fleet a bit too

I ran a Noshiro-Azuma-Ibuki setup for a while, and Azuma did as much work as torps did on killing Juneau early

plus ofc, BC HP in vanguard

[junior trench]

What would be a good replacement for Azuma in the fleet we were devising though?

[elder crane]

if her first 4 volleys and barrage (10 s into the battle) lands on enemy vanguard, that's over half of juneau's HP down

None

[junior trench]

I figured

[elder crane]

probably want something like Yukikaze or Juneau as usual?

[vague token]

even if you dont hit anything with azuma, she has all the hp

xD

[elder crane]

azuma always hits something though

[vague token]

i mean if magically you didnt

[elder crane]

sure 300 damage shots kinda just tickle main fleet, but it's not nothing

[junior trench]

Yukikaze
Great, so now it’s a 3 destroyer frontline

[elder crane]

especially when she fires 12/18 of them every 10 s

3 DD vanguard go zoom
tbf that's just standard speed you reach with boilers

can add more boilers for more zoom though

[junior trench]

It’s a triple slow with a triple fast fleet.

Fantastic

Definitely meme worthy

[elder crane]

run circles around them

[junior trench]

I’m definitely setting this team up for the lols

Though without Tashkent though, cause I missed the Russian event like a doofus

[past egret]

@elder crane 3 DD vanguard is fun

I love z destroyer vanguard

[junior trench]

Well, I mean Z-Fleet has actual synergy though

[past egret]

Watching every destroyer still zoom into the enemy battleships main barrages and using their speed to ensure they mop up every missed torpedo

@junior trench yes but you can achieve the same thing with some others

Yuki and Shigure

[junior trench]

Of course

I mean, since I don’t have Tashkent, I could just replace her with someone who boosts speed

Or with Shigure maybe

[past egret]

@elder crane yo, out of Z1, Z23, and Z46, who would you say is the weakest?

I’m going to test replacing one of them with Tashkent

[elder crane]

I wouldn't hesitate to say Z46 in PvE, but idk about PvP

also tbf AA concerns for ch12/13

but like
zfleet in ch 13

[past egret]

[junior trench]

For this supposed triple slow fleet, what equips should be going on White Heart?

[elder crane]

you probably just want straight survivability since she's not exactly going to do much damage

you probably just want straight survivability since she's not exactly going to do much damage

[junior trench]

Yes

[elder crane]

you probably just want straight survivability since she's not exactly going to do much damage

[vague token]

just go 76mm

w/e torp

tank aux

[junior trench]

Is Blue repeating the same sentence for anyone else or just me?

Wait why 76mm?

[frail orbit]

Bad connection perhaps

[vague token]

discord is lagging

im seeing it on other servers

every shot white heart does with her mg gives her torp crit rate

[junior trench]

Ya, but her fp isn’t that bad, is it?

[vague token]

it is

74 with 80% efficiency

[junior trench]

Eh I guess

[vague token]

1 fp lower and 5% less efficiency than ayanami

for comparison

[junior trench]

Couldn’t twin 134s still be pretty good for balance between FP and speed though?

[vague token]

she cant do gun damage at all

[junior trench]

That kinda leaves a predicament though, who is gonna be dealing consistent dps?

[sour oasis]

KMS vanguard ships? Good in PvP? Not in ALEN.

[prime panther]

does fleet tech affect pvp?

[sour oasis]

It should.

Bigger question is.. At maxed fleet tech (9), what's added?

[sterile bluff]

Wait i thought fleet tech doesnt affect pvp

[prime panther]

id do a quick test but too lazy

[sour oasis]

I thought affection didn't affect pvp (happiness doesn't, affection does). I can't be sure fleet tech doesn't.

I think I can run a quick test.

[sour oasis]

Fff. Not so quick. Can't find a meme fleet on my main to get a level-1 Nevada/Okie to survive to fire a shot. A tech-0 level 1 can do 30 damage on a bare backline.

[prime panther]

lv 1s dont get fleet tech bonus

needs to be mlb

let me setup my warkai for this

wait a min

how is the backline penalty applied

is it like a 0.8x or a -20% damageRatio?

[sour oasis]

I thought offense line was given a buff, not that defender gets penalized?

[prime panther]

in the pins

[sour oasis]

How the heck the devs decided these values

[prime panther]

ok fleet tech isnt applied

[keen sparrow]

today the new ship come

[finite valve]

fleet tech is apply

however it apply to the enemy fleet

not your own if they haven't change anything

not so sure since i stop caring about pvp a long time ago

[proper sorrel]

hm a hiryuu, akagi, zuikaku fleet

[sour oasis]

fleet tech is apply, however it apply to the enemy fleet

[finite valve]

well just think of it being a "handicap" to the def since you have the 20%+ dmg from attack

[zenith tundra]

that was a bug that shouls've been fixed a long time ago

it was like that for a bit after fleet tech was added

[vague token]

yeah im not getting anything besides +2 total today

ded

[finite valve]

just accept your fate as food

it is your destiny

[sour oasis]

Ah man. Now I'm tempted to throw rings on my PvP fleet (again)

[shell heron]

I see famine. Wonder is he at 9/10 or 8/10

[vague token]

oh did the datamines show up?

[shell heron]

they did

you need a link?

[vague token]

yes plz

[shell heron]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOOnPoUHG7-kxu30IzUevy3Ep1AHSpobffPJuXpcQGM/htmlview?usp=drivesdk

[vague token]

ty

oh, so just double barrage no debuff on tosa

another dd/cl only torp buff

isuzu looks good

100mm

[shell heron]

oh, she can use DD guns. that's not bad

[ionic magnet]

half of tosa barrage is already useless in pvp feelsbad

well a third

thats a lot of barrages

[shell heron]

wonder what that other barrage looks like

[keen sparrow]

2nd skill is like fdg barrage

12 luck more miss

[vague token]

isuzu could always use dd guns

she's atlanta class style

she's basically similar in stats to atlanta

[frail orbit]

At least it's 75%

On proc rate

If it boast Nagato/Amagi/Baka barrage mods then perhaps

[vague token]

it has torps, i doubt it

or rather it'll be like amagi

but weaker probably

[keen sparrow]

like amagi/saruga

n she can anywhre

[vague token]

tfw smol renown is better than renown

[frail orbit]

Higher rarity

And perhaps reflecting her as a BB?

She was to be a Revenge class BB btw

[vague token]

100%-120% bonus damage on all volleys after 2nd lul

[keen sparrow]

amagi,saruga,tosa + torp meme. torp rain

[frail orbit]

amagi,saruga,tosa + torp meme. torp rain
@keen sparrow should be Amagi Baka Tosa

Foxtorp rain

[keen sparrow]

oh yea

[vague token]

i was doing that for a bit, amagi/saruga/baka

[frail orbit]

Suruwuga aint fox tho

Tho if u count tanukis as a part of foxes

She'd count

[keen sparrow]

baka is 50% chance

[vague token]

i might try amagi/tosa/suruga instead

[keen sparrow]

noshiro,naganami,jintsu glass cannon torp meme

more crit

[frail orbit]

If only her HP pool being huge

And having extra crit salvo

I meant for Tosa

U know what I meant lah

Another IJN cancer if so

At least mobbing wise she looks better than Nagatoot smhw but well

Better see at her

In real-time

[proper sorrel]

should we be using all of our attacks just in case?

[frail orbit]

6 hours then no need

If 8 hours tho

[midnight heron]

i wud if ppl wud just move

[proper sorrel]

hahha.. never happening

[midnight heron]

fk it just gonna refresh

[shell heron]

I don't want to move yet, but I should sleep

fine, I finish my last 3 matches for tonight

[midnight heron]

anyway tosa still looks interesting having mg barrage not affected by position

[proper sorrel]

suruga+tosa+fdg sounds like a nice laggy combo if their barrage all procc'ed at the same time

[zenith tundra]

wtf is isuzu skill...

[frail orbit]

Yeah that

[upper sparrow]

suruga is a tanuki?

[frail orbit]

Unaffected by position seems nice

Yeah

She used her flower to mask her tanuki ears

Into a horn

[upper sparrow]

i think she is a goat

[frail orbit]

Should I call her a horny tanuki?

[zenith tundra]

tosa without nagato sounds pretty useless to me

[frail orbit]

Same

Need Namagi

[proper sorrel]

amagi, nagato, tosa?

[frail orbit]

And not gonna even fill the same niche as Suruga or Wakai or FDG

I meant

We already barrage spam smhw

[zenith tundra]

we need to know barrage mods now

[frail orbit]

Aint that already there tho

I mewnt

Beforehand

By rendar

[zenith tundra]

i disn't see them in datamine and i just woke up

i'm so very confused by how u determine the flagship for mobs... is it just based on type of node?

[vague token]

the node type

i think it's just the translation style

[zenith tundra]

how is isuzu supposed to not use ijn guns? 50% efficiency on torp when her base torp stat is almost total garbage and 20% mg efficiency with low fp...

[proper sorrel]

does south dakota want flagship or washington?

[zenith tundra]

u put sd to tank and washington to attack whoever u want to kill 1st

[proper sorrel]

okay makes sense

[zenith tundra]

against cv u would put sd flag to tank suicide dmg but it was mostly against foxes

[proper sorrel]

foxes are still everywhere in amagi pvp so that works

[inner zenith]

can't wait to see tosa's in pvp

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't do anything tbh outside of getting buffed by nagato

i doubt her melee barrage will hit anything

[vague token]

i dunno why they added the efficiency buff to isuzu

when she gets dr and torps added to her barrage

like what

who would ever take 20%

[inner zenith]

we'll have to see

[vague token]

it isnt like she has mgm+1

if she had like mgm+1 and 130 efficiency or so

[inner zenith]

I'm hoping it does hit so we can change meta

[frail orbit]

Melee barrage perhaps adding more tick dmg when enemy VGs being near

But well

[inner zenith]

and it'll be stronger

[frail orbit]

Who tf cares for that

[inner zenith]

It's kinda like fdg's

w/o the armor type ignore

[zenith tundra]

tosa will be on the side and that range isn't amazing and also vg moves a lot

[proper sorrel]

well someone got all the event ships already

[zenith tundra]

i would guess isuzu retro skill is so she can do stuff outside of AA maps but she still will be an AA only ship effectively

not that hard when cn maint is so fast

[vague token]

but it wouldnt be more damage than twin 100mm

cause you get torps on the auto barrage

she's basically a fake noshiro barrage

when you use an ijn gun

or wait am i reversing that

i might be mixing it up

[zenith tundra]

idk she has 230 torp stat

[vague token]

i guess ill just wait to see the in game

[zenith tundra]

they literally didn't boost her dmg stats by anything

[vague token]

efficiency boosts barrage damage doesnt it? xD

[zenith tundra]

5% torp efficiency u mean and 10 torp stat

not counting her skill

i mean base stats

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

like aa isuzu surface dmg will be exactly the same

[past egret]

Data mines here yet?

[zenith tundra]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VOOnPoUHG7-kxu30IzUevy3Ep1AHSpobffPJuXpcQGM/htmlview?usp=drivesdk

156 x 4 arcing, lock on, common shell 90 120 70
156 x 6 arcing, MIRV type, common shell 90 120 70
well rip tosa

if u ever use namagi tosa vs something that isn't medium armor rip all dmg

[past egret]

They all look bad

[frail orbit]

And placing her as sniper kinda makes it too bad smhw

Like how

Low luck and all
Not even high hit

Basically Amagi but FDG barrage, no debuff on enemy

[zenith tundra]

amagi has 226x4 and 156x6 so even worse then amagi dmg

[frail orbit]

And not even having FDG bruh crit

[vague token]

at least she's tankier i guess

xD

[zenith tundra]

because heavy armor but far from an actual tank

[frail orbit]

She doesnt even have FDG eHP

[zenith tundra]

fdg ehp....

[frail orbit]

I meant

In FDG era

Basically balding for those crits

U want high HP to actually tank em

And extra crit

And this meta basically only for snipe only

Too much BBarrager, no good

[zenith tundra]

Alright they just gave a fixed version, still may be wrong but more reasonable now
Proc:
156 x 4 arcing, lock on, common shell 90 120 70
156 x 6 arcing, MIRV type, common shell 90 120 70
20 x 48 small shells, common shell 100 80 60
96 x 4 torp, 80 100 130, 110% stat modifier
Aux:
20 x 24 common, 100 100 100
93 x 2 HE, 140 110 90, 30% CA ignition
Support:
36 x 12 common, 100 100 100
@round dome are this the actual tosa barrage stats?

[proper sorrel]

i can't understand this

it looks so confusing

[round dome]

@zenith tundra yeah, if their datamine is correct

[frail orbit]

Also

This one only for 1st barrage

Or for all barrage?

[zenith tundra]

aren't those really weak? and what does lock on mean?

proc is main gun barrage aux is melee barrage and last i would guess special barrage against bb nodes

[round dome]

Ehhh, just like normal main gun, which will lock onto an enemy

[zenith tundra]

so like amagi?

[round dome]

Yep

[zenith tundra]

ok that makes her a bit more interesting tbh but still very weak

[vague token]

that looks just ok tier

[round dome]

I just tried her in combat, it's like 4 shells lock onto a target, then 6 shells in one row with fixed trajectory. Pattern looks fine. And the aux barrage is nice

[zenith tundra]

in pve she looks good for sure. for pvp most enemies are heavy and the only team she would fit in is namagi and those 2 already kind of suck against heavy

having a 3rd one with bad heavy mods doesn't seem so fine

[vague token]

it's weird that she has the bad heavy mods when kaga doesnt

[round dome]

yeah, wouldn't say she's very useful in pvp

[zenith tundra]

plus is total randomness with amagi and tosa aiming at whatever

idk i would rather take a 75% barrage that at least is useful in pve then a 50% that sucks everywhere

[vague token]

tosa is easily superior to kaga

[zenith tundra]

definitely

[keen sparrow]

waiting barrage video

12luck i say before it will miss

[zenith tundra]

does fire only tick 4 times in pvp?

i don't have to wait to see that namagi tosa is a bad idea overall just due to 2 ships with random barrage aim. the 12 luck just makes it worse and makes her way less useful

[past egret]

Does raw stats ever save ships from not being good?

[keen sparrow]

fire? burn tick?

[zenith tundra]

yes iirc someone was saying that in pvp u only get 4 ticks of fire instead of 5 like pve

[keen sparrow]

around 3/4 i nvr pay attention

[zenith tundra]

i can't think of any ship that was saved by stats alone in pvp without doing anything useful overall

[zenith tundra]

https://streamable.com/of255c

that looks like really bad

that spread on the 5 non aimed bullet seems like won't hit opposite at all

[vague token]

when do we get that full screen view

=/

would be useful in pvp

[zenith tundra]

~~ never ~~

also aimed part is split into 2x2 so if it aims vg half of that is sure water hit....

[ripe latch]

washi light barrage?

[zenith tundra]

with less shoots and worse mods

[ripe latch]

~4500 one shell

[keen sparrow]

messy barrage
8 torp

torp rain soon

[ripe latch]

300x8

[forest lake]

What a disappointment

[crude mortar]

how do you zoom out like that?

[karmic forum]

Have a bigger screen maybe?

[zenith tundra]

must be some testing mode only available for devs or testers

[crude mortar]

ok

[zenith tundra]

no dr bps from accumulation

[crude mortar]

how many bp sale in the shop?

50?

[zenith tundra]

same as usual

[charred sable]

Tosa's other two barrages are of no use in PvP and she doesn't have a support skill like Amagi so she isn't gonna change the PvE meta. She definitely looks S tier though for PvE mob clearing with her 3 barrages

[zenith tundra]

idk i don't feel like her mg barrage is much if anything

[charred sable]

Clear mobs faster
https://streamable.com/vh5ym5

[zenith tundra]

overall dmg low. aim part is delayed too much and 1 only wave of strong shells

a lot of things that can miss

[charred sable]

That's why it's only good for the mob clearing fleet

[crude mortar]

how much aa does she had?

[zenith tundra]

trash like any ijn bb

[crude mortar]

so shes shit in plane hell

[zenith tundra]

199

[charred sable]

Nice HP though

[zenith tundra]

which isn't really relevant for anything non pvp

u use healers in pve anyway

[crude mortar]

^

[charred sable]

Inb4 W15 ditches CVs and becomes BBs everywhere

[zenith tundra]

w11 hm is that

[karmic forum]

She will be useful in events

[crude mortar]

would you use her over amagi?

[zenith tundra]

i just don't think she is a t0 ship by any means

[crude mortar]

will you use both her and amagi?

[zenith tundra]

amagi overshadows tosa imo by a wide margin overall

[charred sable]

Tosa's barrages gave more spread, so she screen clears better

Plus she has a skin

[crude mortar]

[charred sable]

The skin is important

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't be surprised if they revealed an Amagi skin halfway into the event

[zenith tundra]

if u want to say 1 thing is that tosa barrage actually hits shield enemies

most of the time u want to kill strong enemies in the middle tbh and amagi does that way better

[charred sable]

I was half expecting them to either release an Amagi skin with either the BDs or at C98 along with her plush, but...

[zenith tundra]

eventually we'll get an amagi skin

if the game doesn't die before

[charred sable]

Given the appeal of this game is contingent on the lewd artistic abilities of artists fulfilling the wants for horny mobile gamers... I don't think we have to worry too much about that

[zenith tundra]

last report i saw for february wasn't looking so good

[charred sable]

It's not like good or bad gameplay will make players quit

[crude mortar]

player drop?

where can you look at the report

[charred sable]

Only thing that will really make players quit are new games with more attractive waifus or a fundamental change like worse gacha rates

[zenith tundra]

i don't remember link. i would have to search for it since it's a cn site

[charred sable]

Arknights did cause a temporary dent all around

Also, global economic depression will have people spending less money on games and more on surviving

[crude mortar]

luxury thing's price will drop around 50%

thats what many famous stock trader predict

and every after global depression the stock will go up super fast like every after global depression

like 19 years ago

now its the best time to invest money into something

if you want to be rick

poor people will struggle as usual but rich people will be more rich

but for the game company its different case

every game will eventually had player base dropped

if the game made for casual its easier to get many player but in contrast its easier for them to leave

[charred sable]

Here's to hoping Nekoparaiten has PvP so I can compete with others over how many more headpats my catgirls get

[crude mortar]

hardest endgame content in everygame is pvp

its always alot harder to beat a player compare to ai

but azur lane pvp is

and later map isn't that hard either

they cant create too hard endgame content because good ships are in event

[charred sable]

Some of the EX modes are really hard. Can't clear them on my phone at all, need finesse keyboard control

[crude mortar]

ex mode is like its a hard map for people who want to challenge

but if the map w14 is hard its mandatory

but they cant create too hard mandatory content

cuz good ship are in event

mark my word

around next year when all good ship are in construction pool

they might create hard end game content

thats mandatory

[charred sable]

Or they just raise the level cap

And then content becomes much easier

With enough level grinding of course

[crude mortar]

example if the map is easy for people with hood it gonna be super easy for player with nagato

if the map is hard for people with nagato

its impossible for new player with hood

[charred sable]

As long as new content isn't created that require specific ships with specific gimmicks to beat

That happened in the last mobile game I played... Too much news content requiring specific new characters that were of course behind low rate gachas

[crude mortar]

add high torp damage and you need to dodge like your life depend on it

[charred sable]

So much to the point that I quit (despite being one of the biggest whales in the game) and took most of my whale guild with me to Azur Lane lol

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

that type of content isn't meant for al tho. if u have to manual then it isn't meant for al

play ex if u want a challenge

[charred sable]

Piss of your biggest whales and bye bye 90% of your income lol

But Azur Lane's survival isn't dependent on whales but rather the casual spender. Hence why I don't see the game dying fast one day

[crude mortar]

they have yostar anime studio now

so if the gmae dying

add new anime

again and again

ggez

[zenith tundra]

idk i do agree that al won't die soon

[crude mortar]

yes

it wont die soon

[zenith tundra]

but eventually players that played al too much will quit due to lack of new content that isn't events

[crude mortar]

not any time soon

if you have more new player han the quitter

you can milk money forever

every day people die and every day people born

[charred sable]

Anime studios are not exactly a profitable venture 😅

[crude mortar]

everyday some kid grow from 14 to 15 and 15 to 16

[zenith tundra]

there are ever so many people that can afford playing al and spend money on it. if u exhaust ur player base is not like u can wait for another generation

[crude mortar]

*cant?

[charred sable]

If you want long term continuity, gotta go the Gundam route. Release weekly 30 minute commercials targeted at the kids of old Gundam fans so when the kids ask their parents to buy them a shiny new Gunpla kit, the parent will come back from the store with 2.

I think though the "shipgirl" appeal will eventually get replaced with some other musume. Right now there's gungirls and antibodygirls. Maybe later there will be planegirls or spaceshipgirls.

[crude mortar]

ship have more appeal than other I think

in war there are many type of ship

tank are like

just tank

here comes the lurker

im getting anxiety

[zenith tundra]

idk are there that many types of ships now days then back in ww2 era?

[crude mortar]

ca cl dd cv bb?

in ww2 people still dont believe in the power of cv

[elder crane]

Idk about calling Tosa's barrage "low damage"
Total damage is about same as most 70%ers, and it's still one of the tighter barrages, with 4/10 shots (that have Amagi barrage mods) being aimed

[charred sable]

Yeah, but that's what I mean by interest fading. Military otakus are becoming less common as newer generations grow up unknowing of war. Future wars will be more cyber or possibly even space focused

[zenith tundra]

total damage doesn't really apply to pvp but sure if u like overly spread dmg that can miss a lot it's nice

[elder crane]

Seems like they fixed proximity barrage range, which is nice

[red nexus]

So... assessment? Is Tosa gonna break the meta again?

[frail orbit]

It's called retro-futuristic
Even around 1960s too, it's basically SPACE thingy anyway

Wait they fixed the minimum range needed for the barrage to trigger?

[charred sable]

So if you want to appeal to newer generations, you will need a different set of focus to content off of. Nothing comes to mind though unfortunately

[elder crane]

???
PvP aimed portion is ehh, but in PvE that's really good
And the 6-shot portion is concentrated enough for PvE
Probably even lands 4/6 in PvP, which is perfectly acceptable

[zenith tundra]

they fixed shooting range. it actually hits something. in the video didn't even hit ships close to midfield

idk if aimed with 2s delay is good

it can land on nothing

[frail orbit]

Personally still wont take her as sniper anyway

Low luck

[zenith tundra]

it a 2x2 pattern 2nd 2 shoots can miss so easily

she cannot snipe anyway. she might even be worse at that then amagi

[elder crane]

Idk about that, most things first 2 won't just kill will be hit by second 2 in PvE
Ofc if it targets vanguard in PvP, scuffed....

[charred sable]

Actually, I would totally be interested in a space girls mobage. You got rockets, satellites, space shuttles, etc.

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

And with FDG Amagi Wakai
U basically have 2 sniper, 2 barrager, 1 tanker, 1 shielder in 1 backline comp

[elder crane]

Btw there's no 2 s delay

[charred sable]

All turned into moe anime girls who all want a piece of your... star stuff

[frail orbit]

1 sniper even comes with barrage + tank + extra crit

[elder crane]

That's just time dilation

[zenith tundra]

i'm think about stuff that moves like bosses which i guess she isn't meant to deal with

[elder crane]

Look at volleys 2/3

The barrage launches aimed shots before volley 2

[crude mortar]

[frail orbit]

*aimed shota

[zenith tundra]

it might not be 2s but the 2nd aimed shoots land way too late compared to mg salvos

[elder crane]

Not at all

They land before 2nd mg salvo

That's good enough

[zenith tundra]

whatever. if u want to go this way be it but any moving target will move out of range easily

[crude mortar]

vg ai dodging barrage right?

[elder crane]

You're underestimating how much time dilation appears to speed up 1st volley shots

It's same timing as amagi aimed, really, with like 0.2 s delay on second set of 2

[charred sable]

Am I the only one who has two leveled Nagatos for PvE?

[zenith tundra]

i found the one to be underwhelming on her own so no reason for a 2nd one

[elder crane]

Also, look at damage number on central enemy torpdedo ship

I count 6/6 hit

[marsh bane]

Am I the only one who has two leveled Nagatos for PvE?

[elder crane]

If that means all 6 hit opposite ship in PvP, well
That's actually quite nice
(Still 0 support value)

Also means more than tight enough for PvE

[zenith tundra]

i'm still waiting to see it on my own and test it in pvp

[charred sable]

Im 90% sure she won't find a place in PvE given that she doesn't offer overall as much benefit as any of the existing meta BBs

[elder crane]

Anyways, all 4 aimed shots land well before volley 2 lands, so no problem there really

Well
She just joins the other BBarragers at T0.5 probably

[charred sable]

But in PvE except against bosses, I think her overall number of attacks helps clear mobs much faster than those with more focused barrages

[zenith tundra]

i cant wait to test her in 11-3hm boss and see how much that misses

[charred sable]

Having that extra proximity barrage probably also helps the vanguard clear better

[elder crane]

I mean, her 75% barrage is just as strong damage-wise as all the 70% barragers, with aimed portion which is more often than not a plus, and fixed portion is tight enough to hit all on exact center target but is spread enough to not be too tight

The proximity barrage is a nice bonus

She has 0 support value and no self buff though, and barrage isn't nutty, so doesn't reach T0 I think

[frail orbit]

Basically
Some would miss, but her ability to spam em barrage is basically enuff to derp em eh?

Well

[charred sable]

When you're mob clearing, you don't want tight focus though. Cause then you are wasting damage on overkill. You're better off spreading the damage across multiple targets and letting your vanguard clean up

[frail orbit]

Looks like a lone wolf tbh

No intended

Or is she a lone fox?

[elder crane]

Again, it seems to have the maximum spread possible while all hitting a centered target

I think that's close to ideal in general

Aimed portion also means it won't hit nothing almost always, even if what's left is on the edge

[charred sable]

@frail orbit the bikini skin makes me think big fluffy tail. Unless that's something else

[elder crane]

+given experience with FdG, the spam will be pretty much trigger every 15 s

Including near start of battle

[charred sable]

How about the added barrage on 3rd/4th/5th battle. Should count for something, especially since your ammo bonus is less during those battles

[elder crane]

It's like 700 bdmg of pellets

.... Yeah

Oh, whoops 432 base

12 shots of 36 bdmg pellets, 100% all mods

I assume garbage spread
It's not nothing I suppose

Also
It gives barrage to other fleet

[charred sable]

Also It gives barrage to other fleet
What's meant by that?

[elder crane]

On the 3rd/4th/5th battle within a sortie with the other fleet, if their flagship is a BB and this ship is alive, trigger a barrage 20s after battle starts.

Memes galore

Damage is low though, so

Slightly useful for low cost mobbing, probably?

[charred sable]

Ohh, yeah, I just noticed that Misaka in that video

https://streamable.com/vh5ym5

[zenith tundra]

do torp ships have bigger hit boxes then ship girls? they seem kind of big

[elder crane]

I assume the barrage damage scales off the other flag BB stats

Well, PvE enemies in general are larger, I think

[charred sable]

Well, that's silly then. Tosa's no good for a boss fleet so this skill is pretty meh

[zenith tundra]

there are like no bb bosses anyway

[elder crane]

Hence
Slightly useful for low cost mobbing

No no, other fleet flag needs to be BB

Not enemy needs to be BB

[charred sable]

I don't think I've done any low cost grinding in a long time. Too much PR grinding needed and too many ships to oath

[zenith tundra]

oh ok the wording didn't sound like that at all

[charred sable]

Yeah, the wording confused me at first, but the video example shows it more clearly

[elder crane]

Loli renown btw
Maybe actually useful in PvE?

That skill 1 is
But base stats are still awful...

[charred sable]

Put Tosa in your boss fleet when your mob clear fleet has a BB flagship, and your 3/4/5th mob clears will have an extra barrage added in. Like calling in a support

[zenith tundra]

for that dmg doesn't seem worth

maybe if u are forced to run full fleets anyway but usually mobs use way less ships then bossing

[elder crane]

Idk, seems maybe useful for lowcost to me
Slap her in Boss, and free damage for mob fleet, ideally meaning you can spend less oil

Boss fleet when doing lowcost is whatever anyways

And Tosa is far from the worst there

[zenith tundra]

i'll just wait and see that barrage dmg in actual combat to see if she can actually solo stuff more easily then other bb

[elder crane]

I think she'll be comparable with the rest for that in the end, very good but nothing too special

[charred sable]

I'm probably going to just throw her into the dorm until lvl 90, then throw her into the mob fleet until max affection + lvl 100, then oath her and give her a witty name, then toss her back into the shipyard like I do every other SSR

[elder crane]

I'm going to try her out in PvP, find she's basically like another Suruga/Baka, and nothing will change
She's going to be just short of top choices everywhere probably
Good for new player I suppose

[zenith tundra]

like 1-1.5s

any moving target will dodge the 2nd 2 shells easily imo

[elder crane]

What lol, it's like 0.5 s at most behind the first shot
And look at when salvo 2/3 lands
First aimed shot basically lands when first salvo would be landing if no time dilation, pretty sure

[zenith tundra]

look at time. shelling lands exactly at 39 and 2nd aimed barrage lands after 38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6tao4-LGGg

finally hd quality

bc slot in c maps

guess loli renown is mandatory there

[crude mortar]

what this?

[zenith tundra]

u can resend same girls as the last commission

[crude mortar]

oh

for the 10h?

[zenith tundra]

12. Added "reuse commission fleet" feature.
    For certain commissions, you can choose to send out the same fleet as the previous time with one button.

not sure which ones tho

[crude mortar]

auto commission when?

[ionic magnet]

tosa is indeed underwhelming but atleast shes a good sidekick for mob clearing

doesnt need flag position for her barrage to hit the center

[crude mortar]

[ionic magnet]

its always annoying to run more than one barrage bote cos they just hit nothing most of the time

so yea

[crude mortar]

in the end

use warspite

[zenith tundra]

in the end i don't think it's worth anyways since what's the point of having 2 wave clears at the 15-20s mark

it's overkill anyways

i would consider it good for bosses but she doesn't seem to exceed at that

[ionic magnet]

it frees flagship position atleast

[zenith tundra]

sure because cv benefit from it a lot

[ionic magnet]

cv?

[zenith tundra]

it frees flagship position... all barrage bb want flag. the only one that cannot get it is cv most of the time

[crude mortar]

and again

why would you use tosa over nagato

[zenith tundra]

u use tosa with nagato

[ionic magnet]

yea its just interesting cos shes kinda unique

def not top tier

[zenith tundra]

actually with tosa might be time for nagato amagi tosa backlines in pve as well if u don't want to use something like taihou

[ionic magnet]

then theres naganami another new memeber of torp gang

she might actually get used more than tosa in pvp

[frail orbit]

Naganameh tho anyway if u got torpmeme already with ayajino or yukijino

[ionic magnet]

yea

too bad can only pick 3

[zenith tundra]

if u are picking torp memes without jintsuu noshiro seems dumb. and what does naganami do better then yukikaze or aya

[ionic magnet]

shes p much a free jintsuu

so for those who still dont drop her prolly

[zenith tundra]

2x hard mode points?

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

But still Naganami could do some nice thing on our bed anyway

[ionic magnet]

yea enjoy her farting in your face

[zenith tundra]

her buff doesn't seem relevant over jintsuu in any way imo

like without crit dmg might as well run noshiro and she does more

[frail orbit]

Well she wont fart if u put rainbow dildo on her thicc ass

Double rainbow dildo at that

Let's just say that she's a discount Noshi with bigger bubs and ass but lower crit potential

Also has a tendency to fart all over the place, ewww

Given that some peeps played recently and not during SCB

Especially Amagi server

[ionic magnet]

yea agreed
shes p much just below the top tiers

and aurora is the real torp meme anyway

[zenith tundra]

32% crit chance with noshiro jintsuu naganami

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

without base crit chance

[ionic magnet]

thats just the bonus from skills right

[zenith tundra]

c2 farm is ruined by 500 eva requirement

[midnight heron]

gud thing im lvling 2 dd currently

[crude mortar]

I want to enter the game and rush all my tix already

cuz it gonna be 12 hour maint again

is there new item this rerun?

[zenith tundra]

there isn't anything of value in this event outside of ships

[karmic forum]

tfw I'm most excited for the DR bps

[zenith tundra]

i don't even think i'll farm event. outside of dr bps i don't need anything and those are only 10k

[ionic magnet]

there isn't anything of value in this event outside of amagi

there fixed

[zenith tundra]

i can agree

[upper sparrow]

where is the best spot to farm junie affection

[zenith tundra]

1-1

[upper sparrow]

fuck if pvp can do affection grind

[zenith tundra]

don't bother with anything else it's not worth the effort of making juneau mvp

[ionic magnet]

wait only 2 new ships right?

or is it 3

[zenith tundra]

3

[ionic magnet]

rip

[upper sparrow]

renown loli, tosa, and uhh the elite squirrel thicc one

[ionic magnet]

hate wasting cubes for collection botes

[zenith tundra]

nah it's 3 build and free npc ship

[upper sparrow]

renown is free at least

[zenith tundra]

but loli isn't event related

[ionic magnet]

tosa naganami hanazuki?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[ionic magnet]

watch me burn 300 cubes for these 🚮

[zenith tundra]

i burned 200 in jp

[ionic magnet]

rip

[zenith tundra]

and last 10 build had both tosa and hanazuki

120 cubes and got 2 amagi and 2 takao. stella account is cursed

[ionic magnet]

got all in 120 cubes

[zenith tundra]

gg

[ionic magnet]

good i can prolly restock to 600+ before isss rerun

rip stella

why all of the new ones dont have voice

[zenith tundra]

bad devs. but it did happen in the past too so nothing new

we get 3x daily normal and 2x daily hm maps

guess it's because no sp stage

[elder crane]

huh, about 40 pulls for all three of them

nice

[sterile bluff]

after

two hundred

and thirty

fucking

cubes

this damned corona fox finally decided to show her face

wtAf

🤦

[coral wren]

I only got 1 from 40 cubes

[sterile bluff]

whatever

this is bS

desire censor im telling u

three tosas u serious?

[zenith tundra]

3 amagi in 200 cubes for 1 tosa....

[sterile bluff]

blocked tf outta me

[coral wren]

warspite was spamming my dock

I got about 5 warspite

[sterile bluff]

4 warspites, 3 hoods, a few takaos, and a prinz

[inner zenith]

i saw more vids of tosa barrages. they make me laugh

xddd

[coral wren]

did they seriously rig this banner with HMS ships?

[sterile bluff]

idk... seems so

[coral wren]

Im just gonna do a daily 3 pull now

not even gonna try

[elder crane]

heh
2 tosa 2 amagi in ~40 pulls

just the zuki held out a bit

[sterile bluff]

u fucking lucksacc

[coral wren]

I want tosa not the fox

[sterile bluff]

u fucking lucksacc...

ok whatever lol

[elder crane]

two of each 2% ssr before either elite
as usual

[foggy shoal]

50 cubes, 1 tosa 1 amagi

[coral wren]

Trashbote dupe

[elder crane]

[zenith tundra]

i have 5 of her

[coral wren]

Last event was painful

I got Cooper before it ends

so my cube stock is almost non-existent

I killed my whole cube supply for a purple

[zenith tundra]

a 🚮 one at that too

[karmic forum]

You guys seen this yet?

[outer owl]

is tosa skills good?

[zenith tundra]

it's all over discord

for this channel the answer seems most likely no

i'll still test her but i don't expect anything

[ionic magnet]

amagi skin?? please say yes

[zenith tundra]

2 random aim ships sounds like a bad time to me and also namagi and tosa all have bad heavy mods

[elder crane]

PvP Tosa is almost certainly joining Baka and Suruga as "fairly good. not good enough to change meta"

Tosa fixed barrage tbf is 90% on heavy since BB normal

[zenith tundra]

did u test mods because the datamine i saw was 70%

[elder crane]

that's for the aimed

the aimed and the fixed have different mods

aimed is amagi's 90/120/70
fixed is BB normal 70/100/90

wait, nvm

[zenith tundra]

it's hard to even see the dmg everything is a mess during barrage

[elder crane]

RIP the guy messed it up

why do I even follow Dunk anymore with how often he typos

yeah, it's all 90/120/70

RIP mods vs heavy

good vs medium at least

[zenith tundra]

it might work in en for against namaryuu if u don't want to use ws

[crude mortar]

good

same fleet

1button

[elder crane]

Yeah, maybe it's workable while FdG doesn't exist yet

yep, very nice addition

[zenith tundra]

i always click recommended button anyway. i don't specifically send ships into commissions

[crude mortar]

the 10 hour?

[zenith tundra]

random

[elder crane]

isn't Tosa gun barrage basically modified amagi barrage then

[crude mortar]

you random sending people on 10 hour?

[elder crane]

only the 10H has use same fleet

[zenith tundra]

yes...

[elder crane]

wut

[crude mortar]

thats some hardcore

[zenith tundra]

one ship or another it's the same. ships i want to level are in dorm already

and i like to use them during events

[crude mortar]

[drowsy heron]

Got lucky on my pulls first 5 I got tosa and the next 5 Amagi. 👍

[zenith tundra]

gg

[junior trench]

Oof

[zenith tundra]

need more cubes

[drowsy heron]

Now I don't have to worry about that atleast. But probably lost 1 to many this season to be able to fight for top spot on Amagi

[crude mortar]

40cube

need tosa and im freed

[junior trench]

I have all the cubes a man could need, coins on the other hand are definitely something I’m running out of quickly

[zenith tundra]

it's worse imo when the cap are cubes over gold

u can run 10h commission for gold. u cannot really speed up cubes

[crude mortar]

mcdonal;d

[junior trench]

Ya, but when you don’t have the needed coin but have the needed cubes, it makes me feel really bad because I ran out of a plentiful resource.

Makes me feel like some sort of idiot

[crude mortar]

do I do this

it very painful choice

[junior trench]

No

[crude mortar]

its a scam?

[zenith tundra]

/tierlist

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Ship Tier Lists

🔹 EN and JP detailed tier guide by Kawaii Five-O#2305
🔹 CN tier list Part 1 and 2 by Usagi-sensei (03.04.20)
🔹 CN tier list Part 1 and 2 by NGA (03.04.20)
🔹 Averaged Tier List based on lists above by Lunar#7777
Cat Tier List
🔹 Talent tier list

use /equiptl for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[frail orbit]

3 coobs aint scam

[zenith tundra]

/research

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Priority ships and Research

🔹 PR ships requirements and detailed equipment guide by pootatoast#1337
🔹 Which PR ships to prioritize by Kawaii Five-O#2305
🔹 PR1 and PR2 "what to equip" and general equipment guide by Enbayft#2527
🔹 Short and detailed research tier list by cyberFluff#9161

use /tierlist for list of ships TLs and guides
use /guide for list of other gameplay guides and FAQs

[frail orbit]

10 coobs is

[junior trench]

It’s much better to do one of the ones that is character specific, which is also good since they usually use coins. Also, why would you spend cubes on things like that?

Although this is my own opinion.

[zenith tundra]

H-085 Series: God project numero dos (#2). Pretty much exactly the same as the D-0xx Series except you aren’t guaranteed any ship BPs, but you’ll probably get 1 of each anyways. Same deal, take this unless you’re hyper low on cubes or have all the ships Dev 30.

i would do it unless u need cubes or coin for event

[crude mortar]

what is the best map to farm point this event?

[zenith tundra]

none

just do all for 3x and 2x

[crude mortar]

so I just farm d3 for kaga right?

[elder crane]

the only negative on it is sky-high coin cost

if you can't afford to do coin researches, it's not worth

[crude mortar]

I need to farm pr blueprint

and parts

[zenith tundra]

do u even need to farm tbh. like there is no bp reward for accumulation

[crude mortar]

I need parts

you know im new player

[zenith tundra]

30k is not really that hard to reach unless u want it fast

[crude mortar]

daily normal x3 hard x2 right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[crude mortar]

kk

I need to burn it down

to 9k

cuz I miss click receieve

all mailbox

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

it's worse when u are forced to click it

[crude mortar]

ima zerg rush event

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 16k due to mail too. but it will go down just by unlocking new event maps

[split socket]

how long did you save to be forced to click it o_o

[zenith tundra]

i think c2 is a good choice if u can fill the 500 evasion easily

200 cubes is 150k

i only had like 110k

[crude mortar]

should I farm d3 for kaga then back to c2?

I dont wanna spend 8000 like last event

bunches of brem

[zenith tundra]

idk i would rather farm d3 then

b maps don't have purple plates

[small cypress]

it's bremerton good for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

never tested her myself but for current meta i don't think she can do well

[small cypress]

What's going on current meta?

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

lots of bb shoots all over and slow vg gets murdered easily

[crude mortar]

brem is ca

[small cypress]

I see

[crude mortar]

low evasion

if u run speed gear

u die to enemy vg or barrage cuz no evasion

if u run eva

u die to bb shot

torp

something

[small cypress]

why ryu is too nice in pvp?

[crude mortar]

hiryu?

[small cypress]

yep

[crude mortar]

if their vg all die

hiryu each air strike killing 1 enemy backline

and if both vg die

hiryu invul 15s

but reload time /2

she can shoot 2 airstrike

which delete 2 ship and win

[small cypress]

I see

Where can i farm hiryuu? cuz I don't have xD

[crude mortar]

shes everywhere

[zenith tundra]

w3 maps but not 3-4 iirc

/wiki hiryuu