pvp

[elder crane]

Oh, apparently so

[round dome]

👌 thx, been seeing him a lot lately.

[proper sorrel]

i just lost 4 attacks

what.

first time losing attacks in amagi server q.q

[proper sorrel]

i just nosedived into a namaryuu fleet

what am i doing

[sterile bluff]

being a gaymer

[proper sorrel]

im just trying to level my ships and i forgot rankings exist

cmon suruga

do something

aight u ded enty im counting on you

oh hey i won

thank god their vanguard was easy to break through

[sterile bluff]

imagine having enuf time to type in this chat while fighting

[shy hazel]

u mean u dont

[sterile bluff]

...

im not a boomer like u guys

[proper sorrel]

you probably play more than me

[sterile bluff]

no way

im a noob

i thought i made that very clear

[proper sorrel]

being a noob and a newbie is completely different

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

[eager cedar]

[sour oasis]

Two phones

[ripe latch]

32gb ram

[sterile bluff]

i got 32g ram

[limpid pier]

should I replace WarKai by FdG dev 25?

[past egret]

I believe no because you want FDG dev 30 for her extra main gun base

[limpid pier]

ty!

[past egret]

[sterile bluff]

why would u wanna replace warkai with fdg in the first place lol?

they do completely different things

[proper sorrel]

you can use warkai to take out your least favourite ship over on your opponent

[limpid pier]

ah ok, I've just seen a good FdG opponent, then I think about changing.

[sterile bluff]

you can do warkai fdg amagi

[limpid pier]

so... where is my place?

[sterile bluff]

umm...

in my dock?

[proper sorrel]

you go in the vanguard

[sterile bluff]

no she belongs in my dock

[proper sorrel]

warkai fdg amagi enterprise nagato hiryuu fleet

[sterile bluff]

oh damn

[proper sorrel]

or warfdgentynagamaryuu*

be pretty tanky

[eager cedar]

[midnight heron]

oh wow just when i thought rng cudnt get any worse the game manages to outdo itself 👏

ws misses both barrage shots on a 117 hiryuu, and game proceeds to force a reset cuz i had a total of 1 proc vs 6 enemy procs, 🖕

[keen sparrow]

same like my warkai all her barrage miss

[hot creek]

Pog fleet

too bad their enty died in 10 seconds.

[crude mortar]

i finally miss 5 cuz sleep

my alarm is working but my body isn't

objective change

get top 50

[zenith tundra]

new lolis... why?

aren't we done yet with those already

[karmic forum]

Jp patch notes out and theres no Amagi skin btw

[zenith tundra]

nothing new

[karmic forum]

Seems like a pretty big missed opportunity

[zenith tundra]

it is but i don't think it's devs fault

[karmic forum]

Her artist is probably overloaded

[crude mortar]

@zenith tundra what is the PR dev require per level? i wanna see how much I need more for dev 22 to 25

[zenith tundra]

/devbp

[strange moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512967149975896084/697348939774689361/devbp.png

[zenith tundra]

it's 15 x level from 21-24 and 30 for 25

[crude mortar]

k thx

[zenith tundra]

we finally get the boxes u can choose gold equip from in jp. wouldn't mind more quad mags since they never drop

[crude mortar]

magnet?

[forest lake]

Oh fuk

I lost a match

Didn't pay attention

Apparently a fucking Sandy annihilated my whole team

With 1 HP

[ripe veldt]

cursed

the shikikan is living up to their name

[ripe latch]

but vang really trash

[ripe veldt]

I mean this is cursed

Flag Amagi, slot 2 nagato

[ripe latch]

[surreal locust]

what is Amagi supposed to equip when I don't have enough rudder or beaver badge

[ionic magnet]

hfcr+sg or double sg

[crude mortar]

equip her the ring and you'll be fine

[surreal locust]

@ionic magnet thanks

should I replace reppu with pirate

[ripe latch]

oath amagi to pvp

[zenith tundra]

i prefer vf-17 over reppu for namaryuu due to aa buff

it doesn't really change that much

[frail orbit]

But aint ya wanna use Reppu for AA bait tho?

But hey, as if the whole bomber being so dependent on it anyway, since DBs are just on VGs while those torp bomber just gonna aim or paral keks

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu uses ryuusei idc about suicide dmg without cuda

[elder crane]

also AA is a joke

Juneau is the only meta ship with good AA

and ykkz, namagi all have trash AA

Ibuki, warkai, Azuma, all fall under "I suppose not garbage" on AA
Noshiro AA is passable, but just her and Juneau alone is...

and Reppu bait doesn't work on plane AA, I think

[frail orbit]

Naaa I meant if enemy being Namagi + insert BB here comp keks

Against plane AA, not gonna work I suppose

[elder crane]

well the thing is, vs standard meta, there's no point lol

enemy AA is weak af
people don't even run avgas much anymore

pretty much, if you run meta, any team with good enough AA where you'd want avgas/reppu, is weak enough that you can crush them anyways

[vague token]

or the airspace is so saturated with planes it doesnt matter

your main is eating crash damage

xD

[sterile bluff]

is sandykai actually a thing in pvp?

[karmic forum]

Not really

[zenith tundra]

her viability died in pvp with nakaga. in en that meta never even existed

i guess if u really wanted to wall off wfc u could create a team with sandy yuki juneau essex ws and georgia

[sterile bluff]

georgia and essex in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

if ur purpose is to stop cv from winning why not

[sterile bluff]

my purpose in life is to destroy CVs

whatever it takes

gotta protecc my vg

[shell heron]

@elder crane are you done moving already?

[elder crane]

oh hi
and yeah

[shell heron]

I moved anyways once you're barely under 100. any longer I would have lost matches

[elder crane]

I ended right under 100, perfect

[zenith tundra]

this is fun. at 9/10

[proper sorrel]

okay this akashi vestal norcal sandy fleet is somewhat funny but annoying

[karmic forum]

Annoying in the sense that you don't get full exp from beating it?

[shell heron]

sounds odd. heals are usually not enough to be annoying

yea, 2 nagato barrages is a reset if your's don't proc in a mirror

[elder crane]

well, not really
2 *namagi barrages down is still recoverable, and that's total
if their Nagato procs two times more but your Amagi procs 1 time more, it's still should be a win more often than not

[shell heron]

It might also be that my Juneau went down early

[karmic forum]

Sometime my yukikaze decides that she wants to die

[upper sparrow]

yukikaze already has crippling deppression from tanking the damage for fleet

what is amagi's main gun BiS if i use warkai-formi comp? fdg gun, hood gun or triple 381mm?

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure it's always hoodgun

u can check tierlist it's in pins

and i think u never use triple 381 unless for niche timing

[ionic magnet]

hoodgun is out of the question if you're using formi
you want to time as many stuff as you can else theres not much point using her

[vague token]

imagine syncing with formi instead of just using her for her buff and backline pressure forehead

[sterile bluff]

oh shit i didn't see formi

ma bad

but using formi in pvp?

[ionic magnet]

why not

atleast better than essex

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

warkai fires, amagi fires, formi launches, in that order I supposea

and since no 4 IJN I assume, amagi doesn't line up with dual 381

[vague token]

formi does help azuma land shots too

so even if ws and amagi are aiming backline it's ok

[elder crane]

mmm, I haven't had too much issues with Azuma hitting vanguard
distance is too short for it to be really problematic

[vague token]

i mean they dont travel that fast

max range is gonna whiff

they're still he arcing

you'll miss some to spread or not hit all 3 vanguard

either way she's still the best general use cv

heavy armor + dr skill

share dr with team

good barrage

[sterile bluff]

aaaaaaaaand...

i don't have her

ofc

[vague token]

xD

[sterile bluff]

the best ships r always the ships i don't have

it's ok im used to this

[proper sorrel]

i wish i had asashio

only ship i want from ISSS tbh

[sterile bluff]

i missed isss...

and u say i play more than u

[proper sorrel]

aye same

[sterile bluff]

i also missed essex, noshi, formi, sandy, sword

what else?

like i legit missed all the good events

[proper sorrel]

i missed amagi, essex, formi, nagato, i guess?

[sterile bluff]

but do u have formi?

[proper sorrel]

mic rerun should be soon enough for EN

no

[sterile bluff]

but u definitely have noshi and sword

im willing to bet

my cubes

all of them

[proper sorrel]

i have sword, mic, and noshiro yes

[sterile bluff]

haha!

wait now i feel sad...

[proper sorrel]

anyways i mostly don't follow tierlists

[sterile bluff]

i need sword

i hope it reruns soon and won't take a whole fkin yr

[proper sorrel]

well not sure about sword, but pretty sure mic should come back to EN soon enough

[sterile bluff]

idc about mic

i just want sword!

with the sword i can finally stop suffering from stupid CVs

[proper sorrel]

i don't even use warkai in pvp

[sterile bluff]

w
h
a
t

[proper sorrel]

anyways i mostly don't follow tierlists

[sterile bluff]

i don't either

well

ehh

i mean like i knew warkai was op af before i saw any tierlist

once i have sword my nightmares of a certain CV will finally go away

[proper sorrel]

stupid fleet but my pvp fleet is only good at killing opponent vanguard very quickily

[sterile bluff]

my pvp fleet is only good at sniping backline

[proper sorrel]

wait am i supposed to use essex,enty, or hiryuu

[sterile bluff]

they legit can't do anything else

hiryuu

in pvp

[sour oasis]

I'm countering PvP CV by using barrage boats... or bigger CV.

[midnight heron]

hey at least u guys' fleet r gud at doing smth useful

mine is only gud at getting fked by bs rng

[proper sorrel]

anyways rip enemy vanguard, only take like 20 seconds before my vg goes hitting on the enemy main

[sterile bluff]

if u r getting fked by bs rng

then stop using nagato

[sour oasis]

I spent the first six months of playing losing at PvP. It's just a phase.

[sterile bluff]

then im doing slightly better than u

[midnight heron]

wat u said makes no sense

[sterile bluff]

wut do u not understand about it?

if u have bad rng just don't use nagato

[midnight heron]

me not using nagato doesnt reduce their ability to spam 6 barrages

[sterile bluff]

at least it reduces rng reliance on ur end

[midnight heron]

dat makes even less sense

[sour oasis]

What fleet are you fighting and what are you using to counter it?

[sterile bluff]

ok i give up

[sour oasis]

EewD is just 'fixing' one problem, not all of them

[midnight heron]

dis ur standard loadout anyway

[proper sorrel]

ah yes

[sterile bluff]

namaspite

[sour oasis]

And you can't win with that?

[ionic magnet]

thats a deadweight azuma right there

no wonder youre losing

[midnight heron]

oh pls

[sterile bluff]

is it cuz she's underlved? or underdevlved?

[sour oasis]

4 stars

[ionic magnet]

both

kek

[sterile bluff]

i thought u can start using azuma in pvp at like d15

[sour oasis]

But should still get wins.

Why not use Noshiro or a dev30 ship?

[ionic magnet]

i thought u can start using azuma in pvp at like d15
yea you can if youre a maso

[midnight heron]

1 vg being deadweight has no relation to the nonsense rng i encounter

[sterile bluff]

what's a maso...

[ionic magnet]

idk

[sour oasis]

Masochist

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

ahh

so which dev do u typically start using her?

[sour oasis]

@midnight heron Even with nonsense RNG you should still be alive.

Are you not putting enough evasion gears?

[ionic magnet]

i mean sure d15 is useable but couple that with being lvl 110 just makes it so much worse

[sterile bluff]

so which dev do ppl typically start using azuma?

or which dev should u start using azuma?

[ionic magnet]

i prefer d25

[sterile bluff]

bruh

that's... gonna take a while

[ionic magnet]

yea

[sour oasis]

Yes. Yes it is. That's why any defense fleet with FdG is kinda weak in EN.

[midnight heron]

apparently game doesnt think so

but i'll try to record my battles if i rmb to do it

cuz fking nvidia geforce experience cant record past battles

[sterile bluff]

i thought u can start using DRs at low devs cuz they r op af

[vague token]

i started at 110 dev 14

cause oil free xp

xD

[sterile bluff]

pogger

[sour oasis]

What are you facing again?

[midnight heron]

is dat even a question kek

only problems anyone will ever face is against namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

point is DRs at low dev levels are just worse than other meta botes

[midnight heron]

some of the peeps ive faced hav ridiculous eva in hiryuu yet her airstrike can still hit like a truck for some unfathomable reason

i call bs

[ionic magnet]

[sour oasis]

No, that's called Hiryu the CV with a Beaver Badge.

[midnight heron]

bruh ive used it before

[sterile bluff]

i mean...

hiryuu does have high avi

[midnight heron]

my strikes dnot even do as much dmg as theirs

[sterile bluff]

why don't u just use namaryuu?

[midnight heron]

did i not just explain

[sour oasis]

Hiryu with Nagato boost and at least 1 catapult. Oath ring?
I mean there's no way they should do more damage than you as they have defensive debuff.

[ionic magnet]

you prolly got used to facing garbo namagis
only few of them actually got the right setups so

[midnight heron]

well w/e we say cant be supported unless we can look at enemy gear

[sour oasis]

Also... You're not using Hiryu in your fleet.

[midnight heron]

and i rly dont think trash namagis r dat common

unless u mean to tell me only 10 players actually gear properly

[ionic magnet]

well it mostly depends on their VGs

most of them use flex picks/memes

[midnight heron]

ofc

but i obv make my comparisons to proper picks

[sour oasis]

Screen/movie cap mirror match. If you have bis equips and they don't have rings, they shouldn't be doing more damage (except hacks)

[ionic magnet]

i see

[elder crane]

you joke about only 10 people gearing properly, but....

[sterile bluff]

i mean idfk what im doing with gear in pvp so...

[elder crane]

even when I see a basically full meta fleet
over half the time their gearing is clearly wrong

[midnight heron]

well when i manage to cap it u guys wil see

[sour oasis]

I hear Hololive music in a lot of full meta fleets, so they're doing something meme-y.

[elder crane]

that's actually correct

[coral wren]

Hololive is back?

[midnight heron]

wat its the same stat as boiler

[elder crane]

if there's Hololive music, it's pretty high chance gearing is right

since they are at least using boilers

[coral wren]

I thought colab ships are trash though.

[sour oasis]

I thought the teddy was a gyroscope? Meh. Maybe I'm doing something right then.

[elder crane]

music is tied to event boiler

[proper sorrel]

the equipment that came wasn't

[coral wren]

I slept on the hololive event

[keen sparrow]

my alwys use that

[sour oasis]

Hololive collab had at least 1 top ship.

[keen sparrow]

music everytimeb

[coral wren]

I only got the gold DD girl

[ionic magnet]

its a boiler with free hololive bgm
100% recommended

[sour oasis]

[keen sparrow]

best aux in game

[midnight heron]

yea after i +10 it i never stop using

[coral wren]

I got absolutely nothing from the Neptune event

[keen sparrow]

we nid more gear like that

[elder crane]

it's basically boiler stats
but gold
also plays music

[sour oasis]

Game has awesome music. Needs jukebox in Dorm.

[elder crane]

yeah, Aqua turns out to be the best burst damage submarine

[ionic magnet]

now if only can someone solve the mystery why azuma fking shoots over backliners

so annoying

[elder crane]

SBuki is still the subject of argument from what I see

oh, that's just usual MGM+1/barrage with targeting mechanics issue

yknow how CAs sometimes fire straight ahead at nothing?

that's Azuma's version of that

[midnight heron]

even in pve she shoots past targets right in front of her so

[elder crane]

since her shots are arcing, they arc to her max range

[ionic magnet]

mm disgusting targetting

[elder crane]

which is well past everything

[midnight heron]

https://imgur.com/a/dRIpt2B in case anyone thinks im memeing

[elder crane]

Hmm, badge elsewhere?

[ionic magnet]

i initially thought its cos of angle but no she literally shoots over them even if shes lined up perfectly

oh well

[midnight heron]

its on azuma cuz shes deadweight anyway

[sour oasis]

Fire extinguishers in PvP?

[midnight heron]

not like using ihr on her will help much rn

[elder crane]

nah, she was outside of angle when it started firing then

[midnight heron]

just look at the album

[elder crane]

gun doesn't retarget if enemies move

[midnight heron]

it only shows 1 pic here

[elder crane]

oh hey, I think I fought you earlier

[ionic magnet]

hmm ill pay more attention on her

[elder crane]

and yeah, it's pretty obvious when people are geared right

[sour oasis]

I am. I ask again, fire extinguisher in PvP (Also gyroscope?)

[vague token]

fire extinguisher only goes on ykkz

the rest probably died already to shelling lul

[elder crane]

Gyro is Azuma equip since her HP is too high and hitrate too low

[vague token]

or need other stats

[midnight heron]

and with those gear i still can consistently lose some battles which is y i scream bs all the time

[elder crane]

Well,
it's a combination of

1. high base HP, so engine HP doesn't matter much
2. high damage output with low hitrate since CB hit stat and 0 luck, so hit stat is super helpful like on BBs

[sour oasis]

Didn't an event gear (Hololive or AI) have +5 hit over gyroscope?

[elder crane]

oh, nvm wasn't you for sure

lv110 azuma

[midnight heron]

btw i dont use them in def fleet lul

[elder crane]

yeah, defs not you then

[midnight heron]

def fleet is more meme but its only there to deter newbs anyway

[elder crane]

but like
I fought two teams of same ships back to back, ran 3-4 times cause I was interested

first one brought me down to 1-2 ships left twice (+1 steamroll)
second one it killed more than one ship 2/5 times

....yeah

[empty grove]

My gear is a meme

[elder crane]

that's why you have to be careful about who you test against before drawing conclusions

[cunning reef]

oh hey, that's the fleet I've been resetting against for 30 mins now lmao

[ionic magnet]

10/10 can relate
its like testing a new fleet comp and saying its good
..until i meet a proper namagi

[sour oasis]

Only fleet that I fear is a proper (and fully oathed) HMS one. Stupid time stop.

[midnight heron]

well then the game shud let us inspect gear

[elder crane]

Yep, that's why I usually run any experimental fleet for a full season before I draw conclusions

[sour oasis]

Well. Sometimes people hack subtly. Would be nice to know that.

[elder crane]

one of the funnier ones I ran back when was Amagi Centaur Ark when I was predicting how good Formi would be

[empty grove]

[midnight heron]

i draw my conclusions mostly from my own experience of using diff setups with the same ship im comparing anyway

[elder crane]

and that team rolled everything.... until I met a proper namaryuu

and Hiryuu just stomped all over it lol

[sour oasis]

Ark. Ark Royal?

[abstract cypress]

2k20 and yostar still pay no mind about pvp

[elder crane]

Yeah, it was incredibly interesting
Ark Cent can hard wipe vanguards as well as FC does

[abstract cypress]

fck ijn bs

[elder crane]

it just can't deal with Hiryuu at all after

[proper sorrel]

warkai..?

[elder crane]

That gets you killed

not enough main fleet tankiness

[sour oasis]

Hiryu vs Hiryu is the new Enterprise vs Enterprise

[empty grove]

Ghost hiryuu

[elder crane]

FC Warkai relies on Formi's dred to not get murdered by final counter

[empty grove]

Wait until that happens

[proper sorrel]

nah double toolbox ykk vs double toolbox ykk

[midnight heron]

i wudnt equate them just cuz u pretty much know who wins when h vs h

e vs e is still up to rng

[proper sorrel]

ykk vs ykk is the most dreadful one

[elder crane]

E v E still one of my horror stories

I won an E v E duel by fighter chip damage

nonstop lucky E proc

[midnight heron]

[empty grove]

WASD+E vs WASD+E

Add in eld

Good times

[elder crane]

where's my ykkz duel image

[midnight heron]

and then urs dies all the time while enemy 100% procs rainbow

[sour oasis]

Eldredge Lusty AND Enty. Good times indeed.

[empty grove]

That transition in PVP sucked

I still remember 110 memes too, with trump's wall

[elder crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/583339152959995959/Screenshot_2019-05-23-12-54-19-738_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.png

look at battle timer

[empty grove]

& they miss

Then you get torped

[elder crane]

nah, mine finally landed that torp salvo

[sour oasis]

I've had full 5 minute battles. Draws suck because you still lose.

[elder crane]

I did get the most unholy enemy ykkz RNG run once though

[midnight heron]

yea i get some abnormally tanky ykkz at times

[elder crane]

here's a question

if you have Namaryuu high HP main fleet

and a half-HP ykkz

vs a high-HP ykkz

do you feel safe looking away?

[empty grove]

No

[elder crane]

good instincts then

[empty grove]

PVP has fucked me too many times to ever feel safe

[midnight heron]

well i wont either but dis reeks of hax

[elder crane]

cause I came back to Hiryuu proced and everyone else dead

but his ykkz

still at ~20% HP

[empty grove]

That would have been interesting to see

[midnight heron]

if it still happened with our current gear

then i will 100% call hax

[sour oasis]

Once I thought I would steamroll a 1:1 defense fleet. Their lucky E must have went on forever because I came back and I was dead

[elder crane]

nah, this was before PR gears

so no PR secondary spam

[empty grove]

Damn roach

[elder crane]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/580577855554191360

literally 11 months ago to the day, hey

[midnight heron]

its these situations dat make u wonder if its just rng

[elder crane]

wait wrong link

more than that

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/578466603474092033

[ionic magnet]

lel i still remember blue's immortal ykkz with sheff buff

[hollow quartz]

Does Amagi debuff go away when you kill her?

or is it like QE where it just lasts the entire fight cause FU

[midnight heron]

pretty sure it says when alive

[ionic magnet]

does it say "while alive"

cant remember

anyways thats your cue

[vague token]

amagi's is while alive im pretty sure

[hollow quartz]

[vague token]

ill check in game

[elder crane]

Amagi is when alive only, yeah

Sheff was the one that really didn't get picked up

[vague token]

while this ship is afloat

yep

ships dont die forehead

[elder crane]

The weird part is, EN had this weird thing where Sanrui caught on before Aurora became common

I think too many people followed the CN PvP tiering

[vague token]

that was meeee

still no skin

100% triggered

[elder crane]

btw
the reason was
Sanrui > Aurora > Sheff > Bel for flex slot

[midnight heron]

4 of my pr1 still not dev30 and dats including sanrui

[elder crane]

and then the author noted
"nobody uses Aurora though so lol"

[vague token]

i found sheff to be far more useful since if nagato didnt barrage at the first smoke

bel loses out

(and start torps)

[elder crane]

ahh, back when PvP was still fluid in testing

to the point where CN testers figured out the counter to the counter of the meta

eventually their "recommended" cycle was
Nep > Sanrui > Aurora > Nep

[midnight heron]

y 2 neps tho

time to take a nep

[vague token]

that's just it looping back

i still think sheff/bel are better than nep/sanrui

those two are selfish, shef and bel help the team

xD

azuma just has so much hp + armor option that it's ok to not do teamplay

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

meanwhile amagi is like the opposite

[ionic magnet]

tho its now p much azuma>noshiro>everyone else imo

[vague token]

xD

[keen sparrow]

vs ?

[ionic magnet]

i like CV vs ykkz duels more

[keen sparrow]

enemy last survive is nanoda n take 40s to kill

[elder crane]

40 s

[keen sparrow]

she run to back n dodge all warkai salvo n my torp. lucky anoying ship

[vague token]

man today is super dead

[proper sorrel]

oh wait i forgot i have attack again

right off the bat i'm sent to the defeat screen

[midnight heron]

[valid stirrup]

Is vf17 better than reppu for pvp?

[vague token]

17 is the aa boost one right?

[forest lake]

ye

[elder crane]

T0 bomb one

and there's no strict answer

VF-17 has defensive AA boost and does more damage to enemy vanguard with T0 bombs
Reppu baits enemy AA and does higher crash damage to enemy main fleet

[shell heron]

I feel like my list changed.

like I lost my top 10 person before

[vague token]

i think im getting +2 total today xD

[hot creek]

wew, just woke up from a nap where I dreamed I overslept and missed 5 charges.

[sterile bluff]

holy shit

someone on en just got 457

did yall check tropyroom?

that's some extreme luck like wtaf

most ppl r at 25 or so

[frail orbit]

Fok

This is starting to come

The era of 457

And yet am still at 19

[eager cedar]

the future is now old man

[lapis bolt]

The future is hell

[sterile bluff]

19???

bruh im slow af

on 14

it is here bois

the age of the 457

when CVs truly become obsolete

except hiryuu 🐰

[shell heron]

best part. I recognize that name among people who pvps

[hot creek]

its ok u will at least have dev 30 DR before those guys who go all in on equipment, right?

o wait no

[charred sable]

Which for FdG/Amagi?

I remember seeing older guides recommending the right but the FP is lower

[vague token]

she has a billion fp already

more aa and better ammo

also note that the range is wrong on both in game

they're both 68 target range, 70 ammo range

so you arent actually losing range

[ripe latch]

suruga

[proper sorrel]

what CV do i want to bring with WASD?

[junior trench]

Enterprise works

[elder crane]

Enty, Essex, Hiryuu, usual suspects
Or you can use Amagi, warkai, etc. as usual, no particular requirement here

[proper sorrel]

ah so a wild card

[zenith tundra]

finally a +1

[crude mortar]

does crimson echo dropping pr blue print 1 or 2?

[zenith tundra]

the shop will most likely have pr2 universal and dr bps like other events

[past egret]

When will someone make a full “Lil” fleet and record a video of it beating a meta fleet

How many resets would that take

[zenith tundra]

maybe one day when loli juneau is released

[sterile bluff]

Juneau is a loli tho...

[zenith tundra]

if juneau is a loli and she won't ever get a loli version then it won't ever happen

[past egret]

[proper sorrel]

juneau isn't loli enough to be a loli

[ripe latch]

any ship can be loli

[zenith tundra]

loli mutsuki?

[proper sorrel]

ooh

[ripe latch]

zack royal

[shell heron]

give me my loli eldridge

even smaller hitbox

[proper sorrel]

loli yukikaze

more speed evasion

[vague token]

would smol eldridge be slower though?

[proper sorrel]

smoldridge

[sterile bluff]

waiiiiiiiit...

being loli gives u smaller hitbox?

is that actually a thing?

[ripe latch]

@sterile bluff

[sterile bluff]

wut... ?

so it does give u smaller hitbox?

[ripe latch]

no

[sterile bluff]

damn it!

thought my fleet had an advantage 😉

[crude mortar]

if there is no enemy vg does georgia barrage hit their backrow?

[sterile bluff]

obviously

who else she gonna hit? her teammates?

[crude mortar]

zzz

hood barrage doesn't hit backrow you know?

[sterile bluff]

???????????

[crude mortar]

I just wanna know if there is limit range of barrage

[sterile bluff]

r u ok?

"hood barrage doesn't hit backrow"

lol wtf

best meme of the century

i guess monarch's barrage doesn't hit backrow either

neither does warspite's

[crude mortar]

monarch hit futher

*fur

i mean

[sterile bluff]

they all hit at the same place

[crude mortar]

nvm

[sterile bluff]

it's pvp

[crude mortar]

i think

i just gonna mute you

[sterile bluff]

barrage range is different

[crude mortar]

thats it

nvm

[sterile bluff]

in pvp

both hood and monarch all hit the person directly opposite them

what is this "hood barrage doesn't hit backline" bullshitery

[crude mortar]

ima ask this then

does amagi barrage on the top left

hit the bottom right?

[sterile bluff]

no???

[crude mortar]

yep

[sterile bluff]

unless her first shell fires at the bottom right

[crude mortar]

then

i gonna ask this then

[sterile bluff]

in which case the aimed part of her barrage hits bottom right

[crude mortar]

on daily raid

the boat that give plates

if u put

short range bb

on top left

does it hit the boat on bottom right?

[sterile bluff]

how tf is that related to pvp at all

[crude mortar]

im asking you

[sterile bluff]

ask in gph

[crude mortar]

this really show your game knowledge

you're a joke you know?

im asking georgia barrage if the range can reach other side of the screen

[sterile bluff]

so am i wrong in saying that hood barrage hits backline?

[crude mortar]

cuz this game had range limit

and you be like

omg hood cant hit

[sterile bluff]

in pvp the range is modified

[crude mortar]

lets say

hood on top left

can hit bottom right?

[sterile bluff]

obviously she can't

[crude mortar]

yep

dont make fun of other if you dont understand anything

[sterile bluff]

but ur statement was "hood can't hit backline" not "hood can't hit everyone in backline"

[crude mortar]

just saying

[sterile bluff]

there's a huge difference

[crude mortar]

does barrage

hit bottom right backline?

you assume you understand the question

but you dont

you're a clown just saying

[sterile bluff]

hood hits the backline directly opposite of her

so does monarch

but they don't hit anyone else usually

that's as simple as i can put it

[crude mortar]

from omg hoot cant hit backline joke to hood cant atk backline within 1 min

im laughing

[sterile bluff]

so do they hit backline? yes of course
do they hit everyone in backline? nope

[crude mortar]

bla bla bla what ever

@zenith tundra does georgia barrage had limit range?

cuz in normal map

it wont hit across the screen

can it reach enemy backline?

[sterile bluff]

i told u it can

[zenith tundra]

idk what are us saying since bb weapon range is much more then the actual pvp field

[crude mortar]

cuz in normal map it wont hit max screen at all

no

the barrage

[sterile bluff]

idk what he's saying either zack

[crude mortar]

in normal map it wont rain on the max screen

[sterile bluff]

he thinks range in pve is the same as in pvp

[zenith tundra]

that's because it's not aimed but fixed position

it will always land at the same spot every time

only shs are aimed

[sterile bluff]

is he talking about georgia he or georgia ap?

[zenith tundra]

rain is he

[sterile bluff]

cuz ap hits backline for sure

[crude mortar]

the rain always hit backline?

[zenith tundra]

i haven't even checked where the rain hits

[crude mortar]

kk

[zenith tundra]

i'll test now

[crude mortar]

thx

[zenith tundra]

seems to be aimed at vg

[crude mortar]

what if there is no vg?

im afraid it gonna rain to water even there is no vg

[zenith tundra]

the rain isn't aimed in pve if i have to guess it lands same exact spot with or without vg

[crude mortar]

but the first barrage hit their backline right?

I mean if there is no vg

[sterile bluff]

the ap part will hit backline

[zenith tundra]

shs are aimed

[sterile bluff]

ye i meant shs

[crude mortar]

ok

[zenith tundra]

so they will always hit something

[sterile bluff]

even if he rained on backline doubt it would do a lotta dmg

[crude mortar]

does rain do high damage to vg?

or just tickle

[sterile bluff]

it's he and vg is usually med or light

so more dmg than it deals to backline

but it's not a huge punch or anything

[zenith tundra]

doesn't seem to hit at all vg so i can't even say how much dmg it does

[crude mortar]

yeah cuz I met many georgia

and the barrage never hit

[sterile bluff]

goergia in pvp is a bad idea in the first place

[ripe latch]

hit water

[crude mortar]

seems like a shit pvp ship?

[sterile bluff]

it's not shit but like

better options

[crude mortar]

what is the best bb to clear all enemy vg at 20?

thats not nagato

[sterile bluff]

like dev20?

[zenith tundra]

nagato only choice if u want vg clear

[sterile bluff]

BBs aren't that great for vg clearing in the first place

if u wanna wipe their vg just use CVs

[zenith tundra]

none of the other really does much to vg. maybe amagi if she aims at it but that so random

[crude mortar]

zzz

[sterile bluff]

also consider that some vgs might have shields

so amagi and nagato barrage will get interfered by those

[crude mortar]

jean bart and rng again

[zenith tundra]

no meta vg has shields

[sterile bluff]

[crude mortar]

need something to clear azuma just in case

[zenith tundra]

even fatr 5 roon timing in off for nagato

[zenith tundra]

took like 5 tries but yeah rain still lands in open water with opponent vg dead

[elder crane]

need something to clear Azuma
That's.... kinda whay Azuma is good.... she's hard to clear

CVs do decently

[sterile bluff]

CVs

[elder crane]

and yeah
Georgia SHS is
if it aims at vanguard
RIP

even if it hits, not much damage

[zenith tundra]

i'm testing double boiler yuki. feels a bit slow with only 3 speed items

[crude mortar]

is this 500 damage on med armor warspite barrage

each 500

or 2 hit 500

[zenith tundra]

i feel like it's too easy to get hit by bb with azuma and only 3 speed items. might even try double boiler juneau and give up pearl if yuki ends up dying too fast

500 before firepower scaling...

[crude mortar]

each hit or 2 hit?

she shot 2 hit

each 250 or 500?

[elder crane]

total on the wiki page

use the Enbayft doc for more detailed breakdown

[zenith tundra]

404 total dmg before armor modifier

[crude mortar]

kk thx

[vague token]

i dont understand why they use total damage on the wiki

[zenith tundra]

for some it's fine like ws for some other is really bad like big seven and sakura big seven

[crude mortar]

yeah I wanna know each shot too on all barrage and when I read these number im like

no way 1 ship gonna take all 7 sakura barrage or all of them gonna do damage

[zenith tundra]

i don't have the link to the sheet i use for barrages

blue should have that

[vague token]

plus if you want to calculate fire then it becomes silly with only total damage

[zenith tundra]

it's fun thinking about 5k base dmg for nagato barrage

imagine the burns

[elder crane]

google enbayft

first result

[sterile bluff]

u guys talking about the excel spreadsheet right?

i have the link if anyone needs idk why it got unpinned

[crude mortar]

the damage is actually good if it actually hit

[zenith tundra]

she does good dmg but it's also completely random who she hits. also lacking good synergies with other ships till maybe we get an uss flagship

[vague token]

the only synergy she could have is formidable/centaur/ark to help her land her barrage

but she doesnt time with them

so rip

[sour oasis]

Anyone play against Cyanite (Av)?
That's a fully min-max'd flex fleet.

[ripe latch]

fleet screen?

[sour oasis]

Standard 14k/14k Nagato, Warspite Kai, Hiryu back, Noshiro, Juneau, Yukikaze front. But their equips make them hit superhard.
I actually had to seriously equip my attack fleet instead of giving them "b" tier equipment.

Their Warspite had the armor aux on (Amagi barrage took 25% if their HP instead of 35%) and fights usually ended with 1:1. I had to retry until I had a guarantee their Hiryu would be dead.

[sterile bluff]

btw how significant is amagi's buffs and debuffs?

or is her main thing still her barrage and stats?

[prime panther]

imagine a noshiro for your entire backline

[vague token]

and your frontline

[crude mortar]

go atk fleet without amagi and amagi

alot different

[elder crane]

Sounds like Rudder, not Armor

Rudder on BBs is more effective than armor is

Amagi is a massive buff to survivability

[sour oasis]

Nope, everything in the barrage hit (No miss pop ups)

[elder crane]

her skills are more impactful to main fleet survivability in a BB duel situation than Juneau heal is

Bad choice then, since Rudder on Warkai with Amagi will make her evade like 30-40% of all incoming shots

[vague token]

i used to armor amagi but azuma is here so

xD

[elder crane]

which is much more impactful than the small damage reduction armor gives

[vague token]

it's cheaper to use purple armor on heavies if you want tiny dr

[sour oasis]

Maybe there were 'miss' pop-ups under the damage pop-ups? One way or another, they didn't melt as fast as a naked backline would.

[elder crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628720786307285054/702218040787337276/Capture.PNG
Here's some calcs for Amagi vs Amagi from Zack's sheet

check that eva% difference for rudder vs no rudder

[prime panther]

i cringe every time i see ppl do ehp calcs

[vague token]

the only thing that EHP doesnt account for is vh/rudder goes up cause of the heavy tier

cause it's just ehp

xD

[prime panther]

i dont see any indication of armor type in that pic

[vague token]

there isnt

[elder crane]

well, also for RNG on stuff like warkai barrage, of a few very strong hits

[vague token]

ehp doesnt include armor

ehp is just hp only

with evasion

it's still a useful table

[prime panther]

armor can be calced into ehp

[elder crane]

on Warkai, there's no armor change anyways

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

if you have the same armor type, then whatever

the relative difference is the same

[sour oasis]

That reminds me, I have to re-edit my attack fleet. My "a tier" equips go to xp grind fleet

The gold armor aux (is that VH?) still stops 15% HE damage right?

[elder crane]

not at all

not if it doesn't change armor type

it's what, 4% and 6% on heavy armor ship?

When equipped by a ship with Heavy armor: decreases its DMG taken from AP ammo by 6% and decreases its DMG taken from HE and Normal ammo by 3%

3% and 6%

[vague token]

aka just use purple if on heavy

it's like 4 and 2, but you dont waste the armor tier change

[sour oasis]

Huh. I guess I was afraid of it for nothing.
Guess those 'miss' indicators must have popped up been below the damage ones.

[elder crane]

the medium -> heavy change is massive though

BB HE is 110 -> 90
BB AP is 130 -> 110
and Amagi/Nagato barrages is 120 -> 70 (!)

on the BB HE and AP, on average, that's about the same reduction rudder gives, so whatever
but vs Namagi barrages, whew
cuts them in half

[vague token]

aka the better the enemy rng the more useful armor is

[sour oasis]

Though for medium armor ships in PvP, I assume more evasion works better

[vague token]

cause it always works

[elder crane]

now that's a lotta damage

[vague token]

no dodge necessary

[prime panther]

but you take more air damage , not sure how impactful that is in pvp

[vague token]

however i dont advise armor amagi in namaryuu

because she is a dps in that comp

[elder crane]

more bomb/torp damage, yes

[vague token]

armor amagi works more with warspite

[crude mortar]

I change from triple 406 to proto410 I my warspite hit enemy cv very very hard

[vague token]

because you can stall

[elder crane]

armor plate is actually better vs plane suicide than rudder is though

since suicide ignores armor type and evasion

VH plate still has the +650 base HP

once your vanguard is dead though, you take a good deal more aviation damage

[crude mortar]

will vh plate making azuma tankier or squishier?

[prime panther]

you can also say aa radar is better vs suicide damage as well

[vague token]

tankier against meta

[sour oasis]

once your vanguard is dead though, you take a good deal more aviation damage
Wait. What?
As the CV no longer targets vanguard or they get a buff?

[elder crane]

110->130 from torpedos, and mostly 90 ->110 from bombs

cause planes drop bombs and torps on vanguard until they're dead

after, they target main fleet

[vague token]

2k goes 105 to 125

xD

[elder crane]

well, most of your bombs will be 500lb

[vague token]

i mean, 2k bombs have a larger radius and higher hit rate

so

[elder crane]

still
you're usually dropping 3-5x as many 500lb bombs

[vague token]

shouldnt it be 2x?

[elder crane]

fighters

[vague token]

oh ok xD

i havent used a fighter in a while cause formidable lel

ap dive bomber so fast

big crash

[elder crane]

Wait, you don't run Cent with her, and don't use figher on her

isn't VF-17 just better though

[prime panther]

you want formi to launch last

[elder crane]

cause you also get crash damage from fighter intercept

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

who is that

[ripe latch]

where 110lvl+

[sour oasis]

Missing 💍

[elder crane]

If you run Formi with BB, you pretty much need to pull out all the small stops to get her to time right

[ripe latch]

oh , new food

[elder crane]

lol Nagato in that fleet

[crude mortar]

fdg at dev30 shooting 3 times right? does her skill trigger twice?

the odd salvo

[elder crane]

Salvo there is all three mounts

[crude mortar]

or 3 6 9?

[elder crane]

it's not like Gascan where each mount acts differently

[crude mortar]

oh ok

[elder crane]

all 3 mounts are in 1 package

[crude mortar]

so you need to wait next 20s?

[elder crane]

Gascan is just weird due to the double-manual skill

basically
no skill part active until first reload
then skill odd part active when firing first shot, up until next reload
then skill even part active
etc.

[crude mortar]

her 2nd salvo gonna hit like a truck right if it hit?

at 40?

[elder crane]

second one hits slightly harder than first one on average, yes
and <40 s since +50% reload buff on odd part

[ripe latch]

lel

[crude mortar]

oh I ok

[past egret]

@ripe latch must be nice

All I get are amahiryu fleets

[prime panther]

srry

[ripe latch]

but hiryu fleet always food

[past egret]

Next season start this Monday

?

Next monday*

[past egret]

Damn

Now that’s a man of class.

[karmic forum]

Non-meta full oaths are the best flexes imo

[past egret]

If only 4 mounted turret fleets were good, I’d like to try Littorio Gasc and Jean with full jean guns

[ripe latch]

eldridge proc skill
@
your torps "hello there"

[karmic forum]

Bonus points if its a full fleet of more obscure 120 ships

[past egret]

@ripe latch season end next Monday Ja?

[ripe latch]

4d 10h

[past egret]

I’m going to find you next season

You will be in my next video

[crude mortar]

do I do flex fleet now

[past egret]

[ripe latch]

found my sendai

3x381 ws any corp 🤔

[past egret]

pretending i know the slang here

Corp?

[ripe latch]

namawarkai

[elder crane]

if you HPFCR her, triple 381 > mk6 on warkai imo
dodges potential rudder proc

that's always a when it happens

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Well, with QE reload buff it's a nonissue, but lol QE

[crude mortar]

whats the first shot time 381+hpfcr?

[elder crane]

first shots land at like 19.5 s

mk 6 HPFCR first shots on maxed warkai without any reload buff lands pretty much exactly at 20 s

which is

[crude mortar]

look this cuck

[elder crane]

rudder only has a 2s window where it could be an issue, and it dunks right into that basket

[ripe latch]

yuki tank

[junior trench]

I’m just curious, but how possible would it be to build a good PvP fleet around some of the Hyperdimension Neptunia characters?

Not a top tier fleet, just one that is good

[vague token]

there's only 2 ok ones

black heart and white heart

the rest dont have any useful skills

[elder crane]

Green Heart is the biggest slap in the face

only 7 planes, like glorious

[junior trench]

What type of fleet would you build around Black Heart or White Heart?

[vague token]

white heart can rng slow with her torp barrage but that's it

black heart has no team synergy

[elder crane]

They don't really have significant strengths to leverage...
the best performance you'll get is by sticking them into a meta fleet like Namaryuu which can still perform with subpar vanguard

For a team actually built around them, white heat pairs well with vanguard nuking with the super RNG slow

Black Heart you'll need something that can keep her around long-term for her to get DpS in, so Juneau+Amagi+Lusty probably as core

[junior trench]

Hmm

[vague token]

black heart's biggest weakness is having to use a CA gun

[junior trench]

I honestly want to try this one day. Not now though, I honestly have hardly leveled my HDN characters.

[vague token]

so even with armor ignore (fun against light/heavy), her torps dont get it and her barrage doesnt get it

the barrage not ignoring armor is like huge slap to face

oh and it's a 40% timer barrage

on a CA

_>

[junior trench]

I mean

It was the first collab

They were probably trying their best not to make broken ships, only to make very mediocre ships

[vague token]

i mean, they overperformed

because they made trash can ships

[junior trench]

Well, hold on

[vague token]

remember that they released during 100 cap

so black heart (and other CAs not named portland) are made of paper

[junior trench]

They are still usable, just definitely not BiS

[vague token]

they're weaker than even budget options

id use suffolk retro over black heart

for dps

pretty much all cvs are better than green heart

bonus from destroyers is good joke (vert)

[junior trench]

But I still think they are definitely still usable though

Just, the fact of the matter is that there are much better choices

[vague token]

i mean, everyone is usable sure

but even as far as extreme budget choices go

like

RNGer will carry you and save you more oil over green heart

purple heart doesnt even have a niche, wastes oil over phoenix or any other cl

[junior trench]

Well, I mean RNGer has some of the best CV DPS if she gets going

Emphasis on if

[vague token]

she has 2 30% skills

[ionic magnet]

only black heart is worth using

and its only because of her VA

[vague token]

green heart has 1 40% chance every 20

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

the only one who doesnt share a niche with anyone is white heart

but her slow is rng

instead of consistent

[ionic magnet]

am i imagining things
i see tosa skin in patch notes

[vague token]

yeah it's there

hometown zest

[ionic magnet]

but they still havent revealed when maint is today

[junior trench]

So, if I used Formidable, Ark Royal, and White Heart, how often would the enemy be able to move?

[humble geyser]

Why not Centaur?

[junior trench]

Idk

[elder crane]

iirc, CH specifically asked the AL devteam to make sure that the collab ships weren't particularly good

for whatever reason

Well
Mission accomplished there

[vague token]

i mean there's Not Good

and then there's Perma Bench

xD

[elder crane]

From what I heard, rumor is that's exactly what they asked for

Not super unusable, but not much better than that

I mean, compare to shit like Norfolk or Omaha, and the Hearts are good, maybe?

[vague token]

except they waste less oil

xD

at least they can contribute nothing and use less oil while doing so

;)

[proper sorrel]

why is there a china wall in pvp q.q

i doubt it works

[elder crane]

nope, chinawall works in PvE only because it hits evacap with skill
PvP environment is too high hit-stat (even the lowest hit ship has higher hit than the highest PvE non-challenge-mode enemy)

they don't hit evacap, and therefore are super fragile

[sour oasis]

They're really fragile if you run a non-IJN front. Running a 100% IJN vanguard and China wall can take (and give) a bit of a beating before folding.

[proper sorrel]

i doubt they can survive long

[sour oasis]

So, if I used Formidable, Ark Royal, and White Heart, how often would the enemy be able to move?
Pretty often. While slows stack (presumably starts after freeze wears off) it's only for a few seconds. And you don't have any massive focused damage from barrage while they're stuck (maybe a lucky torpedo burst?) @junior trench

[proper sorrel]

timed torpedos

[sour oasis]

If properly lined up

[elder crane]

Formi is like, ehh

she stops