pvp

[zenith tundra]

monarch ws amagi is a good comp

3 barrage bb

or ws amagi fdg

or namagi fdg

[sterile bluff]

that's the one i wanna get

[zenith tundra]

all of them meta

[sterile bluff]

monarch ws amagi

buuuuuuuuut...

no sword

[shell heron]

Operation: Block out the sun is actually meta now and it's called WFC

[sterile bluff]

ew CVs

[frail orbit]

And we talked about Amagi server

No Formi

[shell heron]

It sounded fun to send out enough planes to cover the screen but now it hurts

[obsidian kite]

My frame rate

[zenith tundra]

this might have been my best prediction to date

[obsidian kite]

Nu

[sterile bluff]

so uhh...

how many good battle cruisers r there in the game... ?

2?

[meager dawn]

1, amagi

who tf is this hood

[sterile bluff]

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

for pvp yes amagi only

[sterile bluff]

wdym hood is epic for pvp

[obsidian kite]

Hey I used Hood s lot

[sterile bluff]

backline barrage snipe

^^^^^^

[zenith tundra]

not used at all in current meta

[meager dawn]

when you have nothing else, I guess

[shell heron]

Dunkerque is good. Good for fanart

[obsidian kite]

Fk the meta

[sterile bluff]

im pretty sure could work

idk about meta tho

but at the very least pretty good

[obsidian kite]

CVs make my frames die

[sterile bluff]

assuming ur vg stays alive

CVs make my life die

also my vg

hate CVs

wanna kill their asses

[shell heron]

I remembered that being ran for a while

[obsidian kite]

I need a liveable vg

[sterile bluff]

same

[obsidian kite]

They due too fast

Die*

[sterile bluff]

yuki isn't tanking idfk what's happening

[shell heron]

then got replaced with

[meager dawn]

use

[sterile bluff]

when does yuki start tanking?

lv115?

or smth?

[obsidian kite]

Her skills maxed?

[zenith tundra]

might need some amagi magic to keep yuki alive longer

[sterile bluff]

ofc

[meager dawn]

When she makes something deal 1 dmg

[sterile bluff]

all her skills

[meager dawn]

[sterile bluff]

she's only lv 105 but i don't wanna spend gold awakening when ce is on the horizon

[shell heron]

ofc her skill can fail and she loses 70% of her hp on the first VG exchange

[sterile bluff]

even so she should be tanking at 105...

[zenith tundra]

any ship at 105 has 0 chances of surviving

[sterile bluff]

dude im not fighting 120 comps

[meager dawn]

I thought nanoda was going to shout YUKIKAZE-SAMA NANODA everytime she procs her 1 dmg skill, kinda sad when I found out she doesn't do that

[whole terrace]

What aux gear are u using and what position do you put her in the vanguard, out of curiosity @sterile bluff

[shell heron]

for nanoda?

[sterile bluff]

off tank and double toolbox. She is almost always the last vg alive but i still expect her to tank a bit better

[zenith tundra]

fire suppressor and boiler

[shell heron]

^

[zenith tundra]

why toolboxes

[sterile bluff]

wdym why...

DDs almost always want toolboxes... don't they?

for HP

[meager dawn]

only in pve

[zenith tundra]

toolboxes are out of meta in pvp

[whole terrace]

this isn't pve

[zenith tundra]

better use boiler

[sterile bluff]

if she doesn't use toolboxes... she's gonna die in one airstrike...

[ionic magnet]

one toolbox is fine but fire ex is a must

[karmic forum]

Vanguard move fast avoid BB shots

[sterile bluff]

MATE BBs aren't my problem here

[karmic forum]

Is generally why you want boilers

[meager dawn]

gonna die in one airstrike
just get out of the airstrike bombs

[shell heron]

when the only thing that really hurts her is fire, and fire suppressor reduces that damage

[sterile bluff]

i can't

[meager dawn]

that's why you use boiler

[sterile bluff]

i can't fkin control them

[zenith tundra]

for most purposes it's better a boiler then a toolbox

[sterile bluff]

ok anyways

[obsidian kite]

Gotta be fast asf boi

[ionic magnet]

level is your problem actually

[meager dawn]

Boiler = move fast = probably dodge airstrikes

[sterile bluff]

whatever ill just listen cuz idk what else to do

so uhh

boiler

and what?

fire extinguisher?

[ionic magnet]

fire ex is priority

[shell heron]

yes

[obsidian kite]

Hai

[sterile bluff]

ok

hope that works better

ill test it rn and if it doesn't work im suing all of u at court

[meager dawn]

use belfast against airstrikes

[obsidian kite]

How do I delet a vg

[zenith tundra]

the only dmg she cannot mitigate is fire. u need fe

[meager dawn]

inb4 it doesn't work on his 1st test

[shell heron]

torp meme?

[karmic forum]

Wouldn't be too surprising considering she's 105

[ionic magnet]

i mean nothing can save his levels

[zenith tundra]

he said he is not fighting 120

[sterile bluff]

yuki is the lowest lved in my fleet

that feeling when u r too broke to awaken

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

broken with 100k gold

[sterile bluff]

exactly

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right

[meager dawn]

are u in amagi or is that just me thinking you're in amagi cuz we were talking about that server earlier

[sterile bluff]

yep

i

am

everywhere

[obsidian kite]

I'm in Amagi, Sandy and Avrora

Cuz

Memes

[shell heron]

that's the only time I see my vg gets deleted. when my vg decide to run into all torps.

[obsidian kite]

Ah okii

So Torp meme

[meager dawn]

so basically all the time

[sterile bluff]

the times when my vg gets deleted is when a certain skill activation dialogue is spoken that starts with the 15th letter of the alphabet

i will not say it out loud

because i hate it

[shell heron]

or that Formi/Centaur comp. Speed is key in PvP

not being able to move kills me

[karmic forum]

I'm just going to assume it's nagato barrage

[meager dawn]

P? tf starts with P

[sterile bluff]

no wtf

[meager dawn]

no wait I miscounted

[sterile bluff]

15th letter isn't P

[meager dawn]

[sterile bluff]

wtaf

[karmic forum]

Since nothing else deletes Vanguard quite like it

[zenith tundra]

formi is interesting on defense is just how do u make use of that stop effectively on defense

[sterile bluff]

LMAOOOOOOOO

[frail orbit]

If ur phone cant move FC comp

[ionic magnet]

i feel like my cube stock will run out before we get nagato rerun

[frail orbit]

Urs are potato

[meager dawn]

O tf is O

omae wa mou shindeiru

[karmic forum]

To this day I haven't ran into a good formi comp

[frail orbit]

Same

[karmic forum]

Owari da

[frail orbit]

Even FC comp I met are usually

[meager dawn]

trash e

[shell heron]

I tried the formi comp on offense. Might not be geared right or something but doesn't feel as strong as Namagi+WS

[frail orbit]

Too slushy

[sterile bluff]

Owari da
@karmic forum stop it!

u r giving me nightmares

[shell heron]

Operation Rainbow gives me PTSD

[frail orbit]

FC comp want balance of crash dmg

And vg aggression

[meager dawn]

barracuda on all of them

[karmic forum]

Sometimes I still get fucked over by Eldridge skill activations

[meager dawn]

even the db barracuda

[ionic magnet]

FC is perfectly fine in offense

[frail orbit]

^

Alternatively

[ionic magnet]

but dont expect anything on def

[frail orbit]

Could use Ryusei on Cent but

U need to put TBM

[sterile bluff]

but anyways ye she is the reason i set off on the path of backline-demolishing

[zenith tundra]

there are times when a cv just dies to random stuff which doesn't really happen with namagi ws

[sterile bluff]

she who shall remain unnamed

[frail orbit]

For timing purposes

[shell heron]

I'm sure it is, just different "playstyle" that I'm not use to

[meager dawn]

@sterile bluff I mean if your backline just wrecks the frontline, you'll be fine either way

[sterile bluff]

nuuuuuu

i must

[meager dawn]

why be spooked about an overrated ship

[sterile bluff]

kill her

i need to kill her

[frail orbit]

Cay, did your device happens to be a potato?

[sterile bluff]

my hatred is immeasurable

[obsidian kite]

So

What do you do

[sterile bluff]

which is why i must acquire the sword

the holy relic

[karmic forum]

Enty is a legitimate problem for people with underlevelled fleets

[meager dawn]

excalibur?

[shell heron]

no, but my router sure is

[sterile bluff]

that will end all my troubles

yep

excalibur

holy sword of excalibut

[ionic magnet]

there are times when a cv just dies to random stuff which doesn't really happen with namagi ws
yea but you win anyways even if 1 cv dies so

[sterile bluff]

it will give me the ultimate power

[zenith tundra]

not in my meta

[obsidian kite]

If you have Formidable,Enti, and Centaur to fight

[zenith tundra]

with fdg tanking for days

[ionic magnet]

you mean jp

ofc

[frail orbit]

And thats what we're goin to face

Near future ya know

Perhaps another 2 month

[ionic magnet]

implying ppl wont switch

[frail orbit]

Some peeps already have d20

[zenith tundra]

fdg needs dev 30

[frail orbit]

Ye I know but

[zenith tundra]

that's her worst hindrance

[obsidian kite]

Does she?

[frail orbit]

I said

2 months

In 2 months at min

U would see

D30

[shell heron]

d20. Famine is at d28

[meager dawn]

slime gonna have her primed for fs5

[frail orbit]

U want her for snipe anyway

[ionic magnet]

wait famine has fdg 28 too?

[frail orbit]

Aside from barrage

[ionic magnet]

i think thats azuma

[shell heron]

oh FdG?

not that then

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

But dev25+ sounds possible right now

[hot creek]

assume his fdg is near his azuma

[zenith tundra]

fdg does need the 3rd mgm a lot. her dmg is not spectacular even at dev 30 unless u use 457 on her

[ionic magnet]

yea prolly d26

[hot creek]

ive had d25+ on both of em for awhile now.

[frail orbit]

Even I only have D20 with D17 zoomer atm

And not using em at all

Wakai snipe just more reliable

If I wanna push

[obsidian kite]

What about

Double snipe

[shell heron]

maybe I should be doing cube projects. d30 those 2 sooner

[frail orbit]

I meant

[obsidian kite]

With Georgia

[frail orbit]

FDG u know lah

[shell heron]

not like I can use up my cubes normally

[obsidian kite]

Tripple snipe with DoY

[frail orbit]

Her snipe track record are derp

[ionic magnet]

amagi event should have DR prints right

[frail orbit]

Due to PR problems

[meager dawn]

yeah I think

Or is it that 1 DR print

[shell heron]

maybe, it's the rerun

[zenith tundra]

georgia snipe is worse then amagi. her aim is totally random so she is like the worse sniping barrage bb in the game

[meager dawn]

that I saw in the livestream

[obsidian kite]

Time to grab 10 more fdg prints and 30 monarch prints

[meager dawn]

[frail orbit]

Need her 3rd mgm or just wont hit anything

[sterile bluff]

when does 3rd mgm every hit anything

[frail orbit]

U forgot to add
In pvp

In pve she's fine

I meant Georgie

[meager dawn]

but she doesn't have one?

[zenith tundra]

this is pvp channel

[sterile bluff]

nah

[obsidian kite]

You guys are cute

[sterile bluff]

this is gph but not toxic

and ppl here actually know their shit as opposed to gph

[ionic magnet]

[meager dawn]

georgia just has mgm2

[zenith tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xntI8mKH6Ig

this is georgia snipe

half hits water and half hit whoever backline

[frail orbit]

Her arcing barrage does more derp than good

I meant

Since her snipe is based on Amagi's

W/ Amagi u could rest it at all due to well, her barrage pattern

While Georgie's aimed . . .

[meager dawn]

her aimed barrage only works on the first salvo right

[frail orbit]

If u have seen my plan with TBM and Barracuda 831 on Formie

With FC comp

[meager dawn]

what if it worked on all her salvos

[frail orbit]

This is exactly that

VG + backline destruction but meme'd to actually split focus

[zenith tundra]

random dmg charts

for georgia dmg

[frail orbit]

Lul even Nanoda better at actually killing planes?

Against Namaryu?

[meager dawn]

stronk

[ionic magnet]

[meager dawn]

rip pics

[frail orbit]

Udon need to erase it tho with udon

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't doesn't seem to do enough dmg in random fights because half barrage just hits water

by the time u kill vg usually the fight is over. top teams would still stall forever with azuma with speed that might or might not get hit

[meager dawn]

so she almost does something?

[zenith tundra]

how i see it is that she is good but u really need to go out of ur way to use her because lack of synergies.

like just use ws instead

more consistent and does more dmg

[meager dawn]

doesn't hit the frontline like every other BB

[zenith tundra]

it's more of a problem when half of ur barrage dmg is aimed at vg tho

[frail orbit]

And her aimed thang hurts more

I meant

It hurts herself

More

Than it actually benefitted her smhw

Wakai rules

[sterile bluff]

holy shit...

holy shit...

boiler + fire extinguisher is insane

yuki is surviving!!!!!!

actually no screw that the whole vg is surviving

[meager dawn]

speed

[zenith tundra]

are u not using speed?

[sterile bluff]

wdym?

[meager dawn]

he wasn't I'm guessing

[zenith tundra]

like at least 2 boilers

[sterile bluff]

... ill answer that later

anyways

i tested against a lv120 u know who and it barely did any dmg

[proper sorrel]

am i supposed to use beaver squad badge in pvp

[zenith tundra]

yes

[proper sorrel]

mk

[zenith tundra]

on backlines preferably

[proper sorrel]

washington or centaur on my WaSD+Centaur main

or give it to South Dakota

[zenith tundra]

would go with centaur

do u have rudders tho?

[proper sorrel]

not enough yet

amagi server pvp

[zenith tundra]

then use it on sd

and make sure sd tanks

eventually u want 1 eva aux on cv for sure

but not sure how needed is without lvl 120

[sterile bluff]

what's best aux on belfap?

boiler bulge or boiler toolbox?

[zenith tundra]

boiler pearl

[sterile bluff]

or double boiler cuz i just realized they r op?

i don't have pearl...

[zenith tundra]

bulge is ok but usually better to pearl belfast then juneau

[sterile bluff]

i don't have pearl

[zenith tundra]

farm it

[proper sorrel]

hmm.. okay got it
okay so my fleet currently is
Washington/South Dakota (flagship)/ Centaur (will swap with Enterprise once i get her or Hiryuu once I retrofit her)
Portland Kai/Laffey/Leander partially kai)

[sterile bluff]

how do i even get it

[zenith tundra]

u only need 13* for it

[sterile bluff]

uhh...

shit ok

but like

i can only get 1 right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[proper sorrel]

mhm

[sterile bluff]

fuck...

[proper sorrel]

why

[sterile bluff]

cuz 1 isn't a very big number

[proper sorrel]

1 is enough tbh

[zenith tundra]

it's vital for pvp

[sterile bluff]

i have juneau too

if it's vital i want more than 1

[proper sorrel]

have too much and your ship's dmg will fall

[zenith tundra]

the one that there is vital enough

[sterile bluff]

who do i give it to then?

juneau or belfast?

i probably won't be using belfast very long

[zenith tundra]

if u are using those 2 belfast

[sterile bluff]

k

[proper sorrel]

i mean juneau yukikaze belfast is a common vg setup imo

[zenith tundra]

it was best stalling vg for quite a bit till noshiro/azuma

[proper sorrel]

awesome amagi is coming back, now time to wait for ISSS so i can get asashio nagato

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that will kill meta pretty fast

nagato will just make everyone namaryuu

[proper sorrel]

true

we need a new ships that can replace some ships in pvp

[meager dawn]

so an even more busted amagi

[zenith tundra]

at this rate only pr3 ships can be strong enough to break meta

[proper sorrel]

or just make every single ship in this game have synergy with a another ship

[meager dawn]

QE kai or something

give HMS straight up dmg boost, eva rate and other busted buffs

[zenith tundra]

amagi and ws retro were the initiators of standalone broken ships that can work in any team and now we are stuck choosing either or both in a team

[proper sorrel]

it would be pretty interesting if every ship in the game were all equally strong given right conditions

[meager dawn]

Imagine a backline ship that buffs torps for the backline

[zenith tundra]

why?

[meager dawn]

torpmeme fleet on both sides

cuz why not

torpmemes

[zenith tundra]

u can make amagi bb kaga suruga torp meme backline

[meager dawn]

But no one is there to buff their torps

[proper sorrel]

we just wait for a vg ship then

[zenith tundra]

they do already insignificant dmg with torp. why bother buffing that

[meager dawn]

[keen sparrow]

I thought nanoda was going to shout YUKIKAZE-SAMA NANODA everytime she procs her 1 dmg skill, kinda sad when I found out she doesn't do that
@meager dawn that why sometime i use rudder to her to make she say that

pettion to make nanoda alwys say that when she skill proc

[meager dawn]

[zenith tundra]

idk if we need another london...

[keen sparrow]

is fun when nagato barrage all dmg become 1 to

[proper sorrel]

we need at least 6

to make the most annoying fleet for pvp

[zenith tundra]

i play with sounds off

[proper sorrel]

3 vg, 3 main ships that basically never stop talking

well screw you @zenith tundra

[meager dawn]

she had a chance to be the first one of her kind

[keen sparrow]

imagine she will say yukikaze nanoda sama everytime skill proc

[proper sorrel]

mmmm

[shell heron]

well I went from good reset to dead reset

[zenith tundra]

i went from bad score to out of season

[shell heron]

on EN?

[zenith tundra]

yep

[proper sorrel]

OH I FORGOT TO ATTACK

[shell heron]

thought you had a decent start of 150+

rush now

use your refresh for easy opponents

eat a +9 if needed

[proper sorrel]

i wonder if she's good enough to appear in pvp

[forest lake]

Unlikely

Just use Ibuki

[zenith tundra]

let's wait and see what other stuff do

[proper sorrel]

she also has fire power buff and 1 other unknown skill (not confirmed)

[zenith tundra]

like efficiencies/hp/torp stat

[shell heron]

I don't see enough Ibuki as is. Other than my def one

[inner zenith]

that sounds really good

[forest lake]

Isn't that a DD

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze is a dd

[shell heron]

speaking if Ibuki. really tempted to use my general bps to fate5 her

[forest lake]

Naganami

[proper sorrel]

i read it as chounami lol

[zenith tundra]

i won't rule out a dd just by being a dd when yukikaze exist

[forest lake]

Ykkz is an exception to DDs and you know that

[proper sorrel]

2 dds in a fleet :O

[meager dawn]

naganami has the same skill as kiyonami

tf

[proper sorrel]

they're the same class

[meager dawn]

so same/similar stats

[proper sorrel]

rip

[meager dawn]

not gonna be in pvp then

[zenith tundra]

that skill doesn't look bad for pvp tbh. it's not focused on early spam and still give her 3 torp waves in 20s that only ibuki has

[proper sorrel]

annd lost 1 attack

[shell heron]

did you refresh your list for easier fights? I will do any match if I'm cutting it that close

[proper sorrel]

i just fought whoever was on the very left

took too long i guess

[shell heron]

don't bother with that if you have 3 minutes

[zenith tundra]

if u run out of time just attack lowest level/fleet power u see

[shell heron]

loading screens are at least 20s. you want really fast matches

[proper sorrel]

well someone overleveled their juneau, she died very last

[zenith tundra]

lol

early pvp with random gear and levels sure is hard to predict

[proper sorrel]

it's interesting

[shell heron]

they only gave out so much free purple +6 gear

not enough to fully gear a fleet

[zenith tundra]

i remember old days where u wouldn't get anything like that for free

[shell heron]

when we had to fight with +3 blue gear

random ones at that

[keen sparrow]

25% chance to active every 20s, now to many skill bassed proc on timing

hope tosa dnt have those timing skill

[shell heron]

you mean like the usual 70% every 20s to launch a special barrage?

[keen sparrow]

yes

[shell heron]

although I have to find another ship other than Alabama and Washington that has it

[zenith tundra]

suruga

[shell heron]

oh there we go. it could happen

[keen sparrow]

yes suruga have that too she barrage n dr

[zenith tundra]

starters also have 70% barrage every 20s

[keen sparrow]

n 70% is fake

openent nagato 3x proc suruga 0

[zenith tundra]

it's rng

[shell heron]

more realistically

opponent's Nagato barrage count: 3
your Nagato barrage count: 0

[proper sorrel]

i hate opponent enterprise so much especially early game

[keen sparrow]

yes, if every fire xxx chance tonproc barrage that still better
but if every x second have % chance to proc is

[zenith tundra]

3 nagato barrages down is brutal for any team. at that point opponent nagato solo killed ur entire team

[keen sparrow]

yes all my vg die n i nid reset

[proper sorrel]

my rule is: if they luckyE, i reset

[shell heron]

2 is already devastating

if I see a 3rd. I reset

[keen sparrow]

my backline all using rudder sometime almost all dmg is miss

[proper sorrel]

does opponent have like +luck or smth

[zenith tundra]

namagi fdg will be literally that. as many nagato barrages u see as low ur chances of winning are

[keen sparrow]

now i wait amagi n preapre 4ijn to active her frst shot

[zenith tundra]

opponent ships tend to have better rng like more barrages/procs. but there is no way to actually prove that and not say it's just bad rng

prepare hiryuu and yukikaze

and get tosa and amagi from event

tosa is not a guarantee but not many better backline choices

for vg is really just jintsuu as a choice...

[proper sorrel]

i have terrible luck so this is not something i wanna see coming

[keen sparrow]

my plan is warkai amagi saruga/tosa ( see tosa skill how)
front elixer,nanoda,noshi

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use suruga unless really no better choices

hiryuu should be better then her

[proper sorrel]

i hate when i see someone use hiryuu so much

[keen sparrow]

hiryu still lv 1, im not lvling her

[proper sorrel]

no matter how strong my attack will be, that thing will at least survive long enough to kill my fleet

though i do like my hiryuu, no matter how strong their attack will be, that thing will at least survive long enough to kill the opponents fleet

[shell heron]

usually. I just avoid putting her across WS

[proper sorrel]

oof that would suck if it did

[zenith tundra]

i dunno... in en i switched to sg hpfcr on amagi and hiryuu with vh rudder to tank ws

having amagi carry and hiryuu just tank

[vague token]

oops lost a match

lul

oh i died to torps

must have caught everything

[zenith tundra]

looks fun

[vague token]

cat is having a panic attack and i couldnt pay attention rip

[zenith tundra]

poor cat

found sumire

[vague token]

oh i think i know what happened, i got insta wiped by big seven + torps followed by dev 30 georgia barrage straight onto backline

xD

the rng

[proper sorrel]

oh boy

[crude mortar]

@shell heron

[zenith tundra]

there is no reason to collect data after 1050. it is known that u need 35 score difference for a +1.

it's for early ranks that we still don't know the actual amounts

[coral wren]

Hey guys, is Tosa good in PvP?

[crude mortar]

[zenith tundra]

from what was shown so far she seems ok but not amazing. her barrage seems to have same modifiers as amagi/nagato so bad vs heavy. her melee barrage is worse then hyuuga and only has 2 strong projectiles and it's not clear if they can hit vg easily. she also seems to have a debuff of unknown nature

her 3rd skill pretty much is a total mystery so we'll see datamines to have a full opinion on her

[crude mortar]

where can I read her skill?

[zenith tundra]

datamine

those skills are assumed based on the short gameplay video that was shown during stream

[crude mortar]

[meager dawn]

where is the datamine

[zenith tundra]

wait another 5 days for maint

[meager dawn]

Why is this purple

[zenith tundra]

it's a mistake

what ship is that on?

[meager dawn]

nagato

amagi*

[zenith tundra]

i might've screw it up by accident

[meager dawn]

818 and the FW plane don't have icons too

or is that the new plane from the latest event

[zenith tundra]

i can see them

[meager dawn]

Huh, I don't

[zenith tundra]

i had that problem a while ago

i couldn't see some icons too

idk why tbh

[meager dawn]

refresh fixed it

[keen sparrow]

she 3rd skill maybe will another faction buff like nagato

[zenith tundra]

none of tosa skill activate when entering battle so not a buff. might be something that activates in specific conditions or when used with specific comps/ships

i mean it can be a buff but that only activates in specific conditions

[meager dawn]

for wfc who wants the vf 17 first?

[zenith tundra]

use it to adjust timings. generally centaur 1st slot is the best for it since higher efficiency

[elder crane]

btw
Tosa in the second clip has different barrages than in first clip

and apparently devs did say what was shown wasn't final

in clip 2, her melee barrage was more FdG-esque, but with limited range (and no large shots)

and her main barrage had 0.7/1/0.9 mods

[zenith tundra]

oh good

now it just doesn't need to be 50%

[elder crane]

yeah, the clip 2 gun barrage really just looked like Baka barrage... which isn't very encouraging...

[zenith tundra]

well rip tosa then.

[elder crane]

she also doesn't have a start of battle skill either, so at least the two versions shown don't have any self or team buffs from the start

clip 1 was defs not just baka barrage though, so

basically, wait for datamine

[zenith tundra]

did she had debuff?

[elder crane]

clip 2 had nothing that looked like debuff

[zenith tundra]

ok in the 🚮 she goes

[elder crane]

it basically was two very different ships

so, wait for datamine, basically

also
6 days before release
skills not finalized

and then
bugs happen
surprisedpikachu.png
-devs, probably

[zenith tundra]

idk why they bothered showing the 1st clip when ship is completely different

[elder crane]

I actually think the first one is probably the one they intend to release

it lagged out, remember, and they switched to the backup for second one

maybe they loaded a diff build version on backup one, in case the skills themselves were causing issues

[zenith tundra]

the 2nd version sound like copy paste kaga with melee artillery instead of torp

[elder crane]

Well, it wasn't melee artillery at all, which is why I find it a bit interesting
it was more like FdG spray

[zenith tundra]

was dmg decent?

actually if u have a link of the video i can look myself

[safe meteor]

ah, did the equipment recommendation update for pvp?

[elder crane]

https://youtu.be/CXoaaI8QHVE?t=2948

[zenith tundra]

i added recently 457 but nothing more really

not like anyone has it

[elder crane]

the spray btw has pepega range

[safe meteor]

so prob not for pvp?

[elder crane]

looks like around where bisko secondaries reach

[zenith tundra]

it still has melee artillery tho

49:40 u can clearly see the shells

1.2k dmg

on bomb boat

[safe meteor]

isnt Kaga BB same class as Tosa?

[elder crane]

oh hey you're right

I didn't catch that somehow

main barrage though is clearly different

[zenith tundra]

that reach is like why tho

it's so bad

[elder crane]

Yep, Baka is Tosa-class

[zenith tundra]

yeah looks like amagi pre and post fix. from a total mess to an actual good looking thing

i actually still think it's ok as long as the barrage is not 50%

[safe meteor]

why is the Hood gun better on Amagi than the new twin 406 proto from PR2?

[elder crane]

Well
if it's Baka barrage
that thing does a ton of damage
it'd be more than just "okay" if it had any consistency

I think that's team-dependent, with some preference thrown in

[zenith tundra]

pretty sure the actual barrage chance was rigged for the video

[safe meteor]

its colored red "very situational"

[elder crane]

381kai is never wrong
the DrH for some teams is questionable

[safe meteor]

is the rerun out for CN/Jp yet?

[zenith tundra]

nope but tosa was announced on twitter and cn was confirmed 23rd

[safe meteor]

or at least datamined any info?

oh 5 days eh

can we expect that to come that time as well?

[zenith tundra]

most likely

[elder crane]

Amagi barrage is consistent enough that you can rely on spamming it
if you ever put Amagi opposite Amagi, the timing difference is significant, being down a barrage potential-proc is bad
if you use Namagi-ws, 381kai+HPFCR can hit Amagi second barrage before WS launches second barrage, which helps in targeting

[safe meteor]

alright

but do you bring enough IJN?

[elder crane]

aside from a few cases like that, it's imo personal preference which one to bring

[safe meteor]

i think my team would be Amagi, FdG Warkai,
Juneau, Yuki, Azuma

[elder crane]

Vanguard has 2 IJN at least these says, so yeah

[safe meteor]

so thats only 3 IJN

[elder crane]

Without Nagato Amagi can't hit that timing anyways

[safe meteor]

oh, you want to bring Nagato to replace anything?

[elder crane]

so it's a moot point

[zenith tundra]

with ws kai u don't need amagi to carry

she is there for defensive buffs

[safe meteor]

can Amagi then run that other gun then?

and build for defense?

[elder crane]

aside from a few cases like that, it's imo personal preference which one to bring

Amagi barrage is consistent enough that you can rely on spamming it
if you ever put Amagi opposite Amagi, the timing difference is significant, being down a barrage potential-proc is bad
if you use Namagi-ws, 381kai+HPFCR can hit Amagi second barrage before WS launches second barrage, which helps in targeting
aside from a few cases like that, it's imo personal preference which one to bring

[zenith tundra]

in that team is about timings. with ws 457 u might need to consider that 381 doesn't overlap as much as 406 does

[safe meteor]

i dont have HPFCR sadly

when they gonna add that to core data shop, i hope it comes somewhere

[elder crane]

anyways, the warkai timing I mentioned isn't relevant if you don't have 4 IJN, don't run Nagato, or don't have HPFCR
it was just an example of when 381kai is preferred
other than that, it's pretty whatever

[safe meteor]

btw, is there a seperate pvp list for the Amagi server? am curious how their meta is

[elder crane]

Amagi server meta for the next two months will be "whatever you have high level lol"

[safe meteor]

ah but what ships are there

[zenith tundra]

none yet. before people start using actual 120 ships

[elder crane]

so no point, we'll wait on what is released by then

[safe meteor]

i see

they getting Amagi and Tosa

wonder if Tosa gonna be meta in Amagi server only

[elder crane]

if you're 10 levels down, even meta will struggle vs a decent team

[safe meteor]

yea

[elder crane]

so yeah, until you have ships lv110+, there's 0 point in talking about a "meta"

that'll take 2 months or so anyways, and who knows what will be released by then

[safe meteor]

you think one lvl 120 beat a full team of lvl 90ish?

[elder crane]

maybe we'll get ISSS rerun, which means, literally standard meta

[zenith tundra]

also tier list is supposed to be based on win ratings, so people there need to do their testing to see what works better for an actual tier list. the most we can do as non players there is suggest teams that could work based on the ships available

[elder crane]

Yes, two good geared 120s can beat a full team of lv90s

[safe meteor]

i saw someone streaming with a new account on Amagi

[elder crane]

CN server flashbacks

[safe meteor]

he was prepping real fast for pvp team

although rip oil,

[elder crane]

There's pretty good chance Nagato is going to rerun soon, so lol

[safe meteor]

oh right

they meta gonna be run over so soon eh

i was thinking their meta looking like WASD enterprise atm

[zenith tundra]

i would guess within next 2 months isss will rerun

[safe meteor]

since they got almost no other ships

[elder crane]

it would be if they just suddenly got no events for 2-3 months, probably

HMS vs WaSD meta

but such is not the case

[safe meteor]

but HMS doesnt have Formidable or Warkai

Warspite retrofit item is event locked still

[elder crane]

You do realize that CN considered standard HMS with PR stronger than WaSD non-amagi, right?

so it's at least comparable

[safe meteor]

what PR?

[elder crane]

Monarch/Neptune

[safe meteor]

it takes a long time to get PR running dev30?

you can get lvl 120 quite soon if you powerlvl enough?

[elder crane]

well, we're doing hypothetical "no more ships released" already

[safe meteor]

aaaaah

ah yea then

[elder crane]

it's all moot since there's events coming up

[safe meteor]

yea

[elder crane]

Amagi alone is going to shake things up
I'd build Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood probably

which is nice since day 1 free Hood

[zenith tundra]

well amagi will be in meta one way or another. either with hiryuu and x in ijn team or with wasd

[safe meteor]

or replace Hood with Enty?

[elder crane]

day 1 free Hood

[safe meteor]

hmm, which of the two are better

oh right

free Hood

[elder crane]

and Hood is much easier to level

also I tried both, and Hood is clearly stronger imo

[safe meteor]

depends what the enemy is

[elder crane]

vs anything

[safe meteor]

Enterprise is nice vs anything that has the same reload as her

[elder crane]

Foxes, WaSD, etc.

Problem with Enty is inconsistency

[safe meteor]

yea

[elder crane]

Hood spams more proc chances, and has secondaries

also isn't so fragile

[zenith tundra]

imo pretty much is either hood or tosa as a choice for 3 spot for amagi hiryuu. based on tosa barrage % lol

[safe meteor]

what else do they have to offer

Centaur, Warspite regular

[elder crane]

No one would run War nonkai lol

[safe meteor]

Warspite + Hood to snipe something?

[elder crane]

It's Monarch QE Cent basically

Warspite without upgraded divine marksman or her FP boost skill is super embarassing in PvP

[safe meteor]

ah i guess so

but maybe some are prepping her when retrofit item does come

[zenith tundra]

if at least her 2nd skill wasn't locked from modernization node

[elder crane]

That's the only argument for that, basically

[zenith tundra]

then she would be somehow ok

[elder crane]

I'd just stick to day 1 free Hood for now

[safe meteor]

so the two foxes are prob useless?

[elder crane]

yep

[safe meteor]

since Belfast is prob everywhere, no other good vanguards

[zenith tundra]

with wasd yes

[elder crane]

by the time you get them, they'll already be outdated

[safe meteor]

you can only have Juneau, Belfast, Yukikaze now for vanguard, for the next few months or so?

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu is a choice too

[safe meteor]

until you get Neptune/Saint Louis running, or a new event ship

[zenith tundra]

over bel

[safe meteor]

yea 10-4

you cant go in the higher chapter without a minimum commander lvl

[elder crane]

idk if I'd even bother with bel

just run whatever filler

[safe meteor]

most run belfast as that filler

[elder crane]

she's not that good in PvP or PvE anymore, so a huge waste to level her imo

[zenith tundra]

in pve she does have a specialization vs sirens with her smoke

[safe meteor]

she got a bit better with the new HE guns

but yea, i dont think pve is right

hmm, if Amagi Nagato Hiryuu runs around

isnt Belfast alright against that?

the smoke times in their barrage

[zenith tundra]

only nagato 40% chance

[safe meteor]

well, i guess not Amagi, dunno how fast she reloads

yea,

but in defense, thats a 40% you can deny with placing Belfast in your defense fleet?

[zenith tundra]

considering the alternatives to belfast are noshiro, azuma or neptune for stalling i would level her up

[safe meteor]

Noshiro is also event locked for them

and Azuma is locked behind a minimum amount of tech points for now

and, that gonna take like half a year to get to dev25ish?

but is anyone here doing Amagi server though?

[zenith tundra]

azuma tech shouldn't be that hard with ce around

u have 3 bb that should give plenty of tech points

[safe meteor]

that stream showed a fun and refreshing new kind of meta

i guess so

[zenith tundra]

i already play in jp and avrora. there is no way i can play on amagi too

[safe meteor]

oof

[safe meteor]

anyone here reach any Dev30 for any PR2 ship?

[zenith tundra]

in en i have a dev 29 gascogne

[safe meteor]

i just got Seattle to dev30

and no special dialogue

was expecting some like for PR1

[sterile bluff]

Oof, all these poggers saying u cant use war nokai in pvp smh

Then theres me

A true gaymer

[elder crane]

there's plenty of people with dev30 PR2 already
takes about 2 months for all 4 of them if you go all-in
we're, what, almost 5 months in now?

[vague token]

im like just a couple bps away from dev 30 kitakaze

after fdg ill probably go for seattle

[vestal compass]

Anything I should look to swap?

[elder crane]

Cata to Rudder would be my rec

[zenith tundra]

i would swap catapult for either rudder or beaver

[elder crane]

also VT-18 in PvP is pretty bleh

just use Ryuu/Cuda/818 as usual

[vestal compass]

Hmm so Barracuda swap?

Okay

Thought it would be better

[elder crane]

300 crash damage
compared to 480 on cuda

[zenith tundra]

suicide dmg is more consistent then dot and torp dmg

[vestal compass]

I see

[elder crane]

and it rarely hits flood when vanguards are alive
and once vanguards are dead, you don't have time to wait for flood to tick anyways

[vestal compass]

Alright. Thank you

Then I would like to know, why Rudder on Enterprise?

[elder crane]

Rudder ups survivability significantly

something like, 20% more eHP or so?

which is much more of a boost than catas provide on damage

[vestal compass]

Hmm interesting. Someone told me to remove the Rudder as its useless on Enterprise. Thought I did it correctly.

[elder crane]

CVs especially are fairly fragile and are slowish to launch, so Rudder makes it more likely they get off good value

also, tbh I'd take beacon over avgas, especially on Enty
otherwise there's quite a few things that will outpace her evasion skill proc

with a good setup, rudder skill is useless, but rudder is all about the stats, the skill is just a very slight nice bonus

anyone who thinks that the rudder skill is anything other than a teeny bonus has no idea what they're talking about

[vestal compass]

Beacon? Thats interesting.

But will my planes HP will be an issue?

[karmic forum]

Not really AA isn't as much as a thing anymore

[vestal compass]

Okay. I'll try it out. Been struggling around 300~ rank

[sterile bluff]

what's ur fleet lol

[karmic forum]

Unlike in PvE, launching earlier is significant which is why beacon is a valid option

[vestal compass]

I wanted to swap Belfast to Jintsuu, unsure if thats the move.

[sterile bluff]

interesting

[vestal compass]

I missed out a year of event last year.

[sterile bluff]

dw same

[vestal compass]

So i dont have Nagato and friends

[sterile bluff]

started in like jan

just curious why is ur vg so low power?

[vestal compass]

I am reequiping

Their guns

So I had to unequip all

OCD issues

[elder crane]

well, mainly it's that timing is super important in PvP
mirrors are the most obvious case, where hitting first gives you a huge advantage, for at brief moment, you're ahead one whole strike/reload/etc.
Beyond that, there's a lot of stuff that launch/fire around when enty procs, like normal CV/Ls, mk6, 410 AP, torps, Amagi 2nd barrage with 381kai and HPFCR, etc.

beacon lets you outpace enemies/not get outpaced

[crude mortar]

its about reload air strike,if you have 22s relaod time 4% is about 21.12

the 2nd airstrike from 44s to 42.24

is this correct way to calculate airstrike when both vg die?

@elder crane

[shell heron]

Hey kiro, when are you moving?

[vague token]

i can move now

i dropped a match last night cause cat

[zenith tundra]

why not ask famine

[vague token]

he's doing better but still on edge

[shell heron]

expecting famine to move

[vague token]

gimme a bit

[shell heron]

what will be your end score, hate for you to move and I still get +0

[vague token]

i have 8 fights

ill be around 1240?

after

[shell heron]

that answers that question. min +1

[vague token]

assuming no minus, 1248

[shell heron]

1172 rn so barely enough for +2

[vague token]

i may fall but i will push someone else up xD

[shell heron]

The cat was my plan all along. It was I who sabotaged you

[vague token]

im going to eat 2 minus

[shell heron]

you don't have to full move

not going to give me anymore than a +1 regardless

but that early r1

[vague token]

no? 1246

you're 1172

thats 74

that's +2

?

[shell heron]

you said 1140 earlier

so it looked just under 70

or around

[vague token]

i was estimating

i checked just now

xD

1246 yep

go get your points

[shell heron]

inb4 I lose to you because I afk

[vague token]

kek

[shell heron]

good +2. helps me recover from my no bonus reset last night

[vague token]

it'll still be easy for me to hit aotn eos with this anyways lul

[shell heron]

when you're still 6 points up with a dropped match. Likely

I'm looking at the PvP guide again. I can understand why the twin 381 is still BiS for Amagi, but wasn't the twin 406 also good for Nagato

[zenith tundra]

do u want to use a slower gun in mirror?

by 3rd cd u can almost shoot down opponent nagato with barrage when opponent is casting it with 406

406 is fine

would never use it in mirror

[shell heron]

good point. too much effort to change main gun every time it's a mirror

[vague token]

imagine gear swapping

when do we get fleet gear sets

so we can 1 tap counter

xD

[shell heron]

when do we get different loadouts for pvp and pve

[zenith tundra]

u have an equip tab to easily switch equips

[vague token]

that is super slow

you gotta to to each one

and swap

on mobile it's pretty chunky

xD

[zenith tundra]

what pvp ship would u use for pve... they are all 120

[vague token]

azuma/fdg xD

warspite on asw

i need my warspite with double asw planes ok

[shell heron]

mobile is better than iPad. it still has that weird overlapping presets bug

[vague token]

if i meme with biscuit in pvp

cant use shell/promise vs pvp

[zenith tundra]

why are u people using 120 ships in pve. i avoid that as the plague

[vague token]

im not leveling up the ugly sisters for fdg

kek

[shell heron]

either support for leveling a lower level ship or ch13

[zenith tundra]

i'm not a fan of needing 120 to level up stuff in 12-4

[vague token]

i probably wont ever remove ryuuhou just cause she can carry lower ships so hard

120 or not

[zenith tundra]

idk if i have to level a lvl 80 ship i go to 7-2 and then increase with levels

[vague token]

well since no event is running i just dont do 10 victories usually

xD

fish for clear chapter 11-13 research

otherwise just do minimum

[shell heron]

I would be doing minimum, but I want to get Azuma to 200 affinity

[vague token]

oof

i managed to get her to 120 at like 199 affinity

[shell heron]

that sounds nice, would work if I didn't dorm her til 115

12-4 exp

[zenith tundra]

i'd waste 20 oil to use azuma over a shitty ca for 12

[vague token]

i think i started using azuma at like 110

[sterile bluff]

what dev tho

[zenith tundra]

110 800k xp 181 affection fdg on stella account

[vague token]

i started around dev 10?

i think

[sterile bluff]

at which dev does azuma become effective?

[zenith tundra]

why is oil a problem when what u get out of it is a much better ship then normal ones can ever be

[shell heron]

dev20 works fine

[vestal compass]

Isnt she already op as shit u can use her at dev15?

[sterile bluff]

still pretty high but ok

what about pve lol just curious

[zenith tundra]

dev 20 is a big boost to aux gun dmg

[shell heron]

the 15% main gun eff boost looks really nice, but I want to say dev25 is when she outperforms most if not all VGs

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't even use her before dev 20 in pve tbh but i had her 115+ before dev 20

[sterile bluff]

bruh dev20+ is gonna take so long

don't think ill finish before PR3

[zenith tundra]

if u want a good ship that is

u can use whatever at whatever dev level imo

[sterile bluff]

dev0 lv120

[zenith tundra]

fdg was fine to use at dev 10 tbh. azuma is just too weak imo before dev 20 but as u can use juneau in pve to level u can use a dev 5 azuma

[sterile bluff]

o_O

but the real problem is...

i don't have enough tech pts

[zenith tundra]

solo azuma before her aux gun boost just take forever to kill stuff in between mg shoots. it's barely even a gunboat

[sterile bluff]

i just need azuma to tank

so i can survive... airstrikes...

[elder crane]

@crude mortar it's a 300% buff then +300, wrong order here
which you can just put in as cd reduction 50%

[zenith tundra]

with that flat amount won't ships with low reload get more then ships with high reload?

[elder crane]

no, due to how reload formula works

[vague token]

i love square roots

[elder crane]

multiplier is
100/sqrt(100+reload)
after mod, it's
100/sqrt(100+reload*400%+300)
100/sqrt(400+reload*400%)
100/sqrt(4*(100+reload*100%))
100/sqrt(100+reload)*(1/2)

aka halved reload

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

however, absolute cooldowns aren't affected

also also
I have a strong suspicion that they didn't code this to work multiplicatively with reload buff effects

[sterile bluff]

can someone explain why namaryuu is below namaspite on cn pvp tierlist?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/701144468610613258/3lgogrygsfg31.png

[elder crane]

aka reload buffs are super worthless with accel active

457

NamagiWS with 457 can actually deal with NamagiFdG
Namaryuu struggles

[sterile bluff]

but for en it's different tho right?

[elder crane]

no 457 in EN, no dev30 FdG, yep

[sterile bluff]

what about ws fdg amagi

can that deal with namagi fdg effectively?

[sour oasis]

What are the auxes on Warspite. Is that a 2nd FCR?

[crude mortar]

does research rarity affacting rainbow drop rate?

im stucking at here for 4ever

since 2 weeks ago

I got 14 seatle gun

with 0 rainbow

[sour oasis]

Spam the Q researches to hope you get the tool print you need.

[crude mortar]

im spamming q

the rigging right?

im spamming all the time

for 2 week already

[sterile bluff]

Q-0 UL (gold) > Q-0 (purple), G-531 (purple) > Q-3 > Q-2

[sour oasis]

Keep doing it for 98 more weeks.

[sterile bluff]

follow that exactly as is

if u got nothing better do G-412 for refresh

[sour oasis]

So CN got 2nd eventFCR?

[crude mortar]

do I need to spam Q blue?

[sterile bluff]

just follow what i wrote

or

follow the research tierlist

http://bit.ly/2XUHbRx

[elder crane]

warning that Q projects might have enhanced 457 rates, which G-531 doesn't enjoy
sample size too small to know conclusively

[sterile bluff]

wait actually?

[elder crane]

on the other hand, personally, I've gotten quite a few 457 prints from G-531

so

[sterile bluff]

i charted my 457 progress lemme check

iirc both G-531 and Q-0 purple are about the same 457 wise

[sour oasis]

CN got Fallen Wings (HPFCR) twice? Or are those just theoretical load outs?

[elder crane]

Yep, they got the original run

[sour oasis]

Which had HPFCR. Geez.

[elder crane]

only server to have
it happened before JP server released, and JP server released after the issues with one of the FW artists

[crude mortar]

what issue

[elder crane]

basically artist jumped ship to KC and trashtalked AL

[crude mortar]

what artist name?

[sour oasis]

Was it KC or WsgR?

[elder crane]

轨道君
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/590278
I think it's this guy

[crude mortar]

nvm found it

[elder crane]

anyways, he claimed he sabotaged his own work in AL (intentionally made it shit and such)

iirc KC didn't actually take the guy

so

[crude mortar]

its wsg

not kc

[elder crane]

in any case the important part is the artist fell out with AL, hence the colorado redesign for FW rerun
probably contract reasons for why it took so long

[crude mortar]

colorado retrofit

[zenith tundra]

cn tl looks like 0 fantasy as always. namagi for days like u cannot win without nagato...

[sour oasis]

7⃣ 7⃣ 7⃣

[zenith tundra]

at the very least the equpment is half decent

outside of hpfcr spam

and papper hiryuu

using paper hiryuu and expecting her to carry lol