pvp

[sterile bluff]

intrepid skill is good idfk why ppl keep trashing it

it doesn't even matter if it's on load cuz who tf manuals?

[zenith tundra]

the blues skill is dumb

[sterile bluff]

lol

[crude mortar]

i mean it isn't even usable in pve correctly

[zenith tundra]

she cannot tank anyway as a cv why bother putting it in

[sterile bluff]

but her barrage is rly good

[crude mortar]

like u wanna save x2 plane

on boss

[sterile bluff]

it's like 24k dmg

[crude mortar]

but the helldriver

randomly come out

like why

[sterile bluff]

why would u manual in the first place?

[crude mortar]

can you not assume everyone is a plem

[zenith tundra]

intrepid is 90% a mob cv

[crude mortar]

*pleb

[sterile bluff]

not rly

intrepid is just general purpose

like most of the CVs

[zenith tundra]

not really. her blue skill is like pointless in boss battles tbh and part of her yellow skill doesn't even activate

[crude mortar]

how is intrepid a boss fleet since shes garbage at boss cuz cant save plane driver

[sterile bluff]

because

we don't auto in boss

[crude mortar]

why would u ever use her over essex on boss fleet

[sterile bluff]

essex is also general purpose

[zenith tundra]

why would u not auto bosses?

[sterile bluff]

essex's barrage is extremely spread out cuz it's normal torps

excellent on mobs

but her flood is good on bosses

i see her being used for both all the time

[zenith tundra]

essex is essex. intrepid is intrepid

[sterile bluff]

the floor here is made of floor

[zenith tundra]

essex is good overall like centaur. most of intrepid kit is meant for mobs

i don't remember 1 boss that ever sets fires

[sterile bluff]

her barrage is excellent for boss tho

[sterile bluff]

the increased AOE makes it hit well against single target

[zenith tundra]

technically incorrect since db suck at dealing single target dmg compared to tb

[sterile bluff]

wtf no

tb r spread out af unless it's homing

essex barrage is 8 straight torps

usually only 2 hit against single target

[crude mortar]

i mean why cant they just make plane launch on launch

is it hard

why they have to be edgy

just to make thing different to make it shit

[zenith tundra]

that's why u use slow setups with ryuusei if u want boss cv

[sterile bluff]

ok but im talking about essex's barrage specifically

fkin hell ryuuseis r hard af to farm anyways

[zenith tundra]

that doesn't mean that db are better on bosses

[crude mortar]

you get it for free...

go clear 3star war acheieve mode

dont tell me you dont know this

dont tell me you never pick up daily key

[sterile bluff]

ok lemme rephrase the bombs from intrepid's barrage r better on bosses due to increased aoe and single target hitrate compared to essex's non homing and spread out torpedo barrage

but

essex's flood is very suited for bosses

go clear 3star war acheieve mode
@crude mortar wdym

[zenith tundra]

for moving bosses u want slows setups anyway

[sterile bluff]

ok wtaf

ok

[sterile bluff]

i have been living under a rock the whole time

whatever

time to grind

[zenith tundra]

can u actually get that without the missions?

[crude mortar]

it had hard mode in war achieve and it had 3 star clear reward isn't it

[sterile bluff]

yea

ryuusei bps drop somewhere in vdir

but i heard it takes 7 fights for boss

...

so...

yea

[crude mortar]

without quest but idk

[sterile bluff]

you can farm as many ryuuseis as u want in vdir

ok yea

bps drop in d3

checked wiki

wait for en/jp it's 6 fights to boss but for cn it's 7 fights

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that 3* rewards are event missions and u don't get event missions with war archives

[static tartan]

i think we had CN version in war archives?

[sterile bluff]

shit...

[zenith tundra]

vdir is war archives is so bad

[sterile bluff]

well doesn't rly matter u can just craft them, u don't need the mission anyways

[zenith tundra]

a3 has 6 battles before boss lol

[sterile bluff]

wtaf

[zenith tundra]

was trying to get an akatsuki dupe and got tired of fighting mobs

[crude mortar]

i dont wanna farm war achieve cuz if using 1:1 it clear so fucking slow

and using more than 1:1 waste so much oil

[sterile bluff]

what a pleb

[crude mortar]

and it only 15min per key

[zenith tundra]

i'll farm war archives once they add iris

[sterile bluff]

i mean... how else r u gonna get ryuuseis?

[zenith tundra]

research

[sterile bluff]

oh god no

that's so slow

u might as well dev30 all ur pr1s before u get a single ryuusei

[zenith tundra]

i have 5 don't need more

[sterile bluff]

...

how...

5 all from research?

[zenith tundra]

2 should be from event

[sterile bluff]

3 from research?

[zenith tundra]

i only played on this account for 1 year. dunno before but i never farmed vdir maps and they even aren't clear so i guess who played before me also didn't farm war archives

[sterile bluff]

then how did u get the other 3 ryuuseis?

[vague token]

PR1?

[zenith tundra]

research + some bps from maps clear during event

[sterile bluff]

which researches do u do???

most researches don't drop a lot of non pr gear bps

[crude mortar]

should I use dual vf-17 ?

I dont have reppuu

[sterile bluff]

and for the ones that do there's like nine thousand possible non pr gear bps

[zenith tundra]

the same as everyone else except this account has been created before pr1 release

so it has like 2 full years of research

vf-17 is fine

repuu is mostly used as AA bait

[sterile bluff]

so which researches do u do?

Qs?

G-531s?

[zenith tundra]

vf-17 has better dmg and can help the team against opponent cv

[sterile bluff]

those don't drop a lot of non pr gear bp

[crude mortar]

I mean if I use 2nd cv

should I dual vf17 or something else?

the 2nd cv

[zenith tundra]

it's still best fighter in the game

[crude mortar]

ok

what if I use triple cv

triple vf17?

[zenith tundra]

without reppu there is no better alternative unless u want specific timings

[crude mortar]

if I have reppu I use 1 reppu 1 vf17 right?

[elder crane]

Wait, did someone think Intrepid bombs are actually good lol
Don't forget aviation damage is massively inflated due to AA dred, lol
Taihou carpet bomb technically hits for, what, was it, 9k base?

[sterile bluff]

her barrage dmg is pretty good

[elder crane]

You need to cut it by 70-80% though due to AA effect

[ripe latch]

then how did u get the other 3 ryuuseis?
@sterile bluff u can play war archive

on suruga event got 2

[elder crane]

So Intrepid barrage bombs is more like 500 base damage

Compared to gunfire barrages

[sterile bluff]

intrepid against heavy:
1140 * 1.25 * (430+315+100)/100

• 1320 * 1.1 * (430+315+100)/100
  = 24310.65
  essex against heavy:
  2408 * 1.3 * (433+315+100)/100
  = 26545.792
  and essex is 8 spread out torps which is a lot less reliable than bombs

[zenith tundra]

yeah u want 1 reppu for AA bait but timings are more important then using a specific fighter

[elder crane]

Essex barrage is all about the flood lol

[crude mortar]

ok

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah i farmed suruga event for ryuusei

[elder crane]

The flood deals like 5x the damage of the torps

[sterile bluff]

isn't it only like 5 ticks of 900?

3600

that's measly

[elder crane]

Yes, not affected by AA

[crude mortar]

3600 is by no mean alot

it alot

[elder crane]

So it's not cut by 70-80%

[sterile bluff]

that's still nothing compared to 24310.65

wait

by cut by 70-80%

do u mean

[crude mortar]

not all of the bomb gonna drop too

[sterile bluff]

reduced by?

[crude mortar]

some of them get shotdown by vg

[sterile bluff]

or reduced to

[zenith tundra]

x0.2-0.3

[elder crane]

All avi damage is reduced by a factor 150/(150+AA)

Reduced by

[sterile bluff]

wait wtaf

*0.2-0.3???

[elder crane]

Flood is not affected

Yep

[sterile bluff]

holy shit...

that's....

[crude mortar]

depend on enemy aa

[sterile bluff]

a heavy reduction...

[crude mortar]

if enemy had shitty aa they still take some damage

[elder crane]

Yep, that's why plane damage numbers are inflated

[sterile bluff]

welp

Essex event when? D:

[elder crane]

Hence Taihou's almost 10k base damage carpet bomb is actually in line damage-wise with BB barrages of not even 2k base

And why Intrepid barrage is pepega
It's like a 500 damage shelling barrage after AA reduction

[vague token]

yeah but muh armor break

xD

[zenith tundra]

doesn't work on any high level boss...

[vague token]

i think it only works on taihou?

oh wait not a bb

[elder crane]

Nope

[vague token]

xD

big brain design

[elder crane]

Yep
Class restriction

Should've been a -%AA debuff on hit enemies imo

[vague token]

see that would make sense

[elder crane]

Like, maybe a -10/15%

[zenith tundra]

we need 14-4 with nagato boss. sakura big seven every 5s

[sterile bluff]

i mean... even with AA i highly doubt 24k dmg gets reduced to 500...

u said reduced by 70% to 80%

[vague token]

id be ok with armor break if it actually punched heavy to medium

so your bombs did more damage too

[elder crane]

I said base damage

[vague token]

on some weights

[elder crane]

So no aviation

Also did you include the 80% mod for bombs?

Actually, does that only apply to slot bombs?

[vague token]

or they could just scrap armor break and just make it a generic damage taken boost like helena and others

[sterile bluff]

1140 * 1.25 and 1320 * 1.1

[zenith tundra]

changing armor from heavy to medium would decrease aviation dmg and torp dmg

[elder crane]

Bombs only use 80% of the CV aviation in damage calc

[sterile bluff]

nope

[vague token]

doesnt it go up for smaller bombs?

[sterile bluff]

it scales with 100% avi

for intrepid

check the spreadsheet

[elder crane]

Nah, all bombs have best mods vs heavy

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

Just the gap is smaller for smaller bombs

[sterile bluff]

ye bombs r best vs heavy

[elder crane]

Anyways, after you cut by, say, 75%

[vague token]

im kinda surprised the ap bomb doesnt do 130 vs medium like ap guns xD

[elder crane]

That intrepid barrage starts looking pitiful

[sterile bluff]

final dmg is around 6k

essex's flood is 3.6k

plus her barrage

which doesn't deal much against single target

why r these numbers so low wtf

thought CVs dealt more dmg

[vague token]

lul

[sterile bluff]

good thing i stick to BBs

[elder crane]

PvE it's more, cut by 80% for ch12/13

[sterile bluff]

if that's the case how tf do carriers get like 100k dmg?

per fight?

[vague token]

AA

[sterile bluff]

oh right

[vague token]

fighters constantly shooting lol

[sterile bluff]

lol ye forgot about that

[elder crane]

meanwhile
my 2k base damage BB barrage is doing like 12k damage

well, have you actually counted how much damage strikes do before you add in AA, lol

[zenith tundra]

unbalanced game. bb need nerfs

[sterile bluff]

no

[crude mortar]

do cv need av gas w12 13?

[elder crane]

SB2C is like 1.2k base damage each, before aviation, armor, level, eff, etc.

[sterile bluff]

BBs must remain superior

are torpedo bomber's torps affected by AA?

[elder crane]

av gas is useless in PvE on pretty much anyone but formi

yes they are

[sterile bluff]

LOL rip

[zenith tundra]

planes are shoot down as soon as they get in range so for plane hp is not good. also speed is not a good stat for fighters anyway

[vague token]

only thing that memes is that evasion chance stat

[mint hornet]

going off of the pinned google doc ryuusei and gold barracuda > vt18?

[elder crane]

anyways, 3 DB slots does like 30k pre-AA-reduction total damage

[mint hornet]

for akaga

[elder crane]

VT-18 crash is too pepega, yeah

[vague token]

i mean 300 isnt bad

but it isnt 480

[zenith tundra]

the dmg is not bad it's just that it's too easy to miss and crash dmg is way more consistent

[mint hornet]

ok

[vague token]

im pretty sure ill only be using it on formidable since i can put the cuda dive on for crash there

[mint hornet]

while in pve vt 18 is viable/ one of the best right?

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei is for sniping so has different purposes then cuda/vt-18

[mint hornet]

ah ok

[zenith tundra]

dunno about pve but there are very few enemies that get the flood dot so it's only used for higher base dmg at cost of speed

[elder crane]

@sterile bluff
the three SB2C DB slots on Intrepid does a total of 37k damage pre-AA on heavy armor
and that's less than half of her airstrike damage
is that 24k barrage damage looking particularly impressive anymore

[sterile bluff]

im comparing her barrage to essex's

again, 6k for intrepid after AA
6.5k for essex + 3.6k flood but only 2/8 torps will hit single target so it's 1625 + 3.6k flood

[elder crane]

oh, right, I forgot something else major for PvP

flood ignores the PvP damage reductions too

[sterile bluff]

r we talking pvp or pve

cuz iirc they r both useless for pvp

[elder crane]

yeah, Idk anymore

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

essex isnt totally useless

[crude mortar]

1 damage

[vague token]

probably one of the better cvs outside of meta

in terms of pure damage

[sterile bluff]

meta? there's only 1 CV in meta

[elder crane]

if for PvE, then you're looking at 80% AA damage reduction in ch12/13

[vague token]

her barrage is 100% consistent

[elder crane]

that's what pretty much every boss and elite has

[vague token]

sadly the formation isnt good like formidables =/

[sterile bluff]

i just want essex for waifu

[zenith tundra]

she also lacks actual support like centaur/formi since cv are few in pvp

[vague token]

midway when

the power of armored carrier

[sterile bluff]

im so confused i thought CVs r supposed to have the heaviest armor

cuz they r the biggest

idek

at least CVs these days look chunky af

thicc bois

[zenith tundra]

cv aren't big because armor but because launching catapults

[elder crane]

I mean
oil tankers are massive
as are container ships
but like
paper sides basically

if you think about it, that's similar to what a CV is
a giant hangar for planes

[sterile bluff]

but CVs these days have thicc armor pretty sure

[elder crane]

nah

[sterile bluff]

then that's stupid XD

[elder crane]

nothing these days has much armor at all

[mint hornet]

if I'm running warspite akaga, and I have a Hiryuu
without nagato or amagi (next week might change this) there's no reason to break up the foxes?

[elder crane]

that's a bit unique

[sterile bluff]

if a CV has no armor it's just a huge slow target waiting to be hit by missiles

[elder crane]

planes outrange missiles

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

that's basically how they work

[vague token]

most armor wont save you from modern missiles/torps anyways lol

[elder crane]

+pdd

[zenith tundra]

if u have formidable and centaur, those 2 are better then foxes @mint hornet

[elder crane]

yeah, that
nothing naval these days has much armor at all, since modern missiles/bombs/torps can pen pretty much anything that can be feasably mounted

the only reason to add armor then, is if your ship will be in range of artillery

[vague token]

it's better to boost your detection ability

or increase your range

[elder crane]

if your CV is in range of artillery, well

[mint hornet]

Yea I checked out the tier list and saw those two. Unfortunately wasn't here for formidable and I heard centaur is a myth

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

they wont be, that's what rail gun is for

xD

[sterile bluff]

now is the age of ICBMs

[vague token]

planes + rail gun = lol land based weapons

[sterile bluff]

then probably space based missile platforms

when r missiles gonna come to AL

[vague token]

well we did get jets

[zenith tundra]

keep foxes then. after amagi u can try different stuff like amagi ws hiryuu

[mint hornet]

gotcha ty

[elder crane]

nonkai WS

[sterile bluff]

i have warhalfkai

[crude mortar]

inb4 tosa is good ship

[sterile bluff]

[zenith tundra]

nope

[sterile bluff]

warhalfkai OP

[elder crane]

War HK is no good for PvP

[sterile bluff]

nuuuuu

[elder crane]

you need that upgraded divine marksman

[sterile bluff]

i refuse

[crude mortar]

my spider sense telling me tosa gonna be shitty

[sterile bluff]

i refuse!

[zenith tundra]

tosa for how she looks so far is mediocre at best unless her debuff does something good

[elder crane]

or she has some sort of broken skill 3
wait, does she pop up a skill tag on entering a battle, or no?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[elder crane]

RIP

Sounds shitty then

[vague token]

you mean normal

and not op

xD

cough literally every other debuffer in the game

[elder crane]

Is there any good main fleet ships that don't pop a skill tag on entry?

Dork I suppose?

[vague token]

kizuna dd, 20 seconds
helena, 20 seconds
tennessee, 30 seconds

oh and smol helena is also 20 seconds

[zenith tundra]

her barrage most likely will be bad against heavy so that's already a -. her melee barrage is like hyuuga but only 2 strong projectiles so who knows if they actually hit. and then there is the ? debuff

[sterile bluff]

Is there any good main fleet ships that don't pop a skill tag on entry?
@elder crane hiryuu doesn't does he?

she

i meant she

[elder crane]

she doesn't pop her CV pair skill in PvP, yeah

that's one

inb4 Tosa also has an immunity skill

and we didn't see it in showcase cause lol PvE

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu skill activates when she dies

it won't popup at the beginning

[elder crane]

She has her CV pair skill which pops up with Souryuu in PvE
in PvP Souryuu is almost never used though

[zenith tundra]

the skill activates with souryuu in pvp if paired

u see it

[elder crane]

in PvP Souryuu is almost never used though

[sterile bluff]

not rly

[elder crane]

that's what I mean by "she doesn't pop her CV pair skill in PvP"

can't pop skill when other one isn't present

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure nagato bunnies is a thing

[zenith tundra]

whatever tosa 3rd skill might be it activates at a certain point during the battle.

[elder crane]

it is, but like
almost 0 representation in EN at least

[sterile bluff]

why tho

[vague token]

because we skipped to the better comp

xD

[sterile bluff]

ok i should check AL meta's vids again

see how often souryuu is used

shouldn't be uncommon

iirc

[zenith tundra]

bunnies are too frail more then other cv and also ws kai exist

[sterile bluff]

ws kai exist but so does hiryuu

[vague token]

i think i read that ws + bunnies all retro was a comp at some point?

[zenith tundra]

ofc till u realize that without amagi she procs final counter 1st ws mg shoot

[elder crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hjASaRgXas

0.38% representation from 1 sample

RIP Souryuu in EN basically

[sterile bluff]

i don't think 0.38 points to souryuu specifically...

[elder crane]

https://youtu.be/8hjASaRgXas?t=449

it does

[sterile bluff]

then shouldn't each ship have a number beside them?

they don't

[elder crane]

see the timestamp linked

[sterile bluff]

ill just check out each ship when i have time

[elder crane]

of 262+266 samples
exactly 1+1 Souryuu found

nobody uses her in EN

[zenith tundra]

nice choices i have

[vague token]

is that 1 hour on the left

id just do that and cycle

xD

[zenith tundra]

i took fdg ofc

[sterile bluff]

oh god i need the codes

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i need is dr bps

[sterile bluff]

ahh shit...

[vague token]

oh ok

[sterile bluff]

just realized i missed my attempts again...

it's past 12

fuck me

[zenith tundra]

by 28min

[sterile bluff]

yea...

holy shit i keep forgetting

[zenith tundra]

i would just setup alarms for resets

[sterile bluff]

ye

i should do that

[zenith tundra]

if u plan to sandbag

[sterile bluff]

should i set it 10 min b4 reset?

or earlier

in case one person moves up

[vague token]

oh already at 1 bonus point land

forgot

[zenith tundra]

i only use alarms to make sure i don't miss resets

i only have mid reset alarms for when i sleep

[karmic forum]

I've tried setting alarms for middle of the night runs but I always sleep through them

[zenith tundra]

i set 10 min before reset since is usually when i start rushing most of the time

eventually fatigue just catches up...

at least for me

[ripe latch]

time to found some food?

[zenith tundra]

dead list so far for me

[vague token]

i got rank 48, 11 xD

[shell heron]

oh a r94

I can finally offer data

[zenith tundra]

i have a guy in jp in list that was rank 124 when last 3-4 guys in top 100 were 35 pts ahead... pretty sure it's a fricking 34 so i'll just wait

what are the chances for 27 guys all to be same score...

[shell heron]

Kiro, do you have the person's score?

I want your data

[vague token]

uh

too late

xD

[zenith tundra]

was it a +1?

were u over 1050?

[vague token]

yeah

im 1065 9/10 atm

[zenith tundra]

1 point ahead of me

wait actually 2 can't math

it's fun how with 156 start ended up with 1052 while in jp with 141 start ended up with 1053

[vague token]

kek

[frail orbit]

[shell heron]

that was a +2. barely under 1050

[ripe latch]

120 difference , +10

[frail orbit]

Saem

In my case even more

Around 350 of difference

[ripe latch]

5 torps

[zenith tundra]

finally someone moved

[frail orbit]

Also to note am just memeing around with WFC comp XD

[ripe latch]

welp , if zack add my corp noshi + sendai + yuki

[vague token]

naka retro when

[zenith tundra]

i think best comp i've seen for torp memes was noshiro jintsuu sendai. that actually hurt

[ripe latch]

jintsu not worth , any cv easy kill her

[zenith tundra]

it had some speed setup so it would move forward and all torp hit backlines

[frail orbit]

Noshi + boiler anyway

Basically not to lose with Nanoda mspd

[vague token]

gotta meme on people with my fire comp

just hit 110 gascan u xD

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze movement speed is like a cl

if the cl uses boiler

[vague token]

err wait no 105

[shell heron]

I'll sit on my torp meme

[ripe latch]

ibuki speed looks like ant

[vague token]

fire is a bigger meme, torp is just normal

[zenith tundra]

i feel like ibuki is really slow for her torp to be able to easily reach backlines on defense

[shell heron]

it's a proper torp meme. unless I use double rainbow torps on all 3

[frail orbit]

Yeah

42 mspd

No boiler

[ripe latch]

if ibuki - only speed , but if u put one rainbow - still food

[zenith tundra]

from that comp it just seems like if u put some speed u can actually land a lot more torp on backlines then without speed

[ripe latch]

maybe make sakura speed fleet?

[zenith tundra]

wait why is sendai better then jintsuu? make like no sense...

[ripe latch]

one flare and any vang easy die..

try

[zenith tundra]

what does even line up with her flare? unless u use foxes

or 40% nagato barrage

[ripe latch]

torp hit

on flare - 70-80%

[zenith tundra]

u mean u can get 2nd wave to hit in flare timing?

[ripe latch]

yeap , u can do 2 torps

enemy one airstrike = 2 torps attack

so u can play sendai with 2 rainbow

[zenith tundra]

that's normal due to preload. usually is hard to make ships launch before 20s 2nd torp weave

[crude mortar]

torp reload base is around 23

[zenith tundra]

yeah but flare ends exactly after 10s

[crude mortar]

sendai 15% jintsu20%nagato 20%

[zenith tundra]

u need to launch and hit within 20s

[crude mortar]

55% reload?

[zenith tundra]

i want to see.. i don't have sendai leveled up but i can see timings with jintsuu instead

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

I don't really see it unless it's right up against each other for quad mags

[ripe latch]

38 and 42 luck . even u put toolbox - this not help

[elder crane]

I've ran that before, and it's like 18-19 s torp launches

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze seems to launch at 42 with jintsuu noshiro buffs

[elder crane]

given travel time, half the time, even if vanguards are hit, it's not in flare timing

[zenith tundra]

even those do indeed hit at the 40s mark

[vague token]

what if you use autoloader

[elder crane]

anyways, that fleet's main problem is going to be that it dies to a stiff breeze
probably more of an issue once Azuma gets around

[ripe latch]

azuma just food on flare debuff

[elder crane]

Azuma is going to kill your vanguard before they launch second set of torps

[vague token]

azuma can probably just soak half the flare debuff

while shooting you

[shell heron]

more data. r78 showed up

wait

[zenith tundra]

flare is really only a thing for foxes. nagato barrage is too inconsistent

[shell heron]

I don't need to record this

[ripe latch]

play against 25lvl dev azuma , not help

w8 30

[zenith tundra]

it's confirmed already that it's 35 for +1

unless u want to check it some more

[vague token]

im surprised no one datamined it

[shell heron]

I'm fairly sure it will be at least 35

[vague token]

then again pvp is pretty meme

[shell heron]

will be surprised if it's less

[zenith tundra]

it might be that score calculation is done server side?

[vague token]

true

[zenith tundra]

with rollbacks we had people keep scores while getting back attempts

so the score was calculated on server side while attempts are stored for each player

a dev 30 georgia

i wonder if it is a good comp

[frail orbit]

I bet vg threat anyway

But well no Juneau comp so meme

[zenith tundra]

2 nagato barrages down

[frail orbit]

Lul

[crude mortar]

is it unironically a good comp

[zenith tundra]

not final counter btw

[frail orbit]

Pepega aiming?

I meant on Georgie

[zenith tundra]

hard to even realize georgia dmg due to her aim

it's like u need to look everywhere

for it

[frail orbit]

But yours got ur VG derp'd by Gorge barra? Or Namagi barra?

[zenith tundra]

opponent nagato barraged twice. that's it

i can test her in jp

just for fun with 457

[elder crane]

457 is actually lower damage output on Georgia vs med/heavy than twin 381 is

she's too barrage-reliant

[zenith tundra]

not when barrage half hits water

because aims at vg that moves too fast

[elder crane]

your main guns aim at vanguard just as much, no?

or does the barrage preferentially target vanguard

[zenith tundra]

barrage gets split into 2. half vg half backlines most of the time

[elder crane]

then there's pretty much no difference
I suppose you can argue that the timing diff doesn't come into play for the PvP timescales

[zenith tundra]

in between random aim and random barrage pattern it ends up being very weird

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xntI8mKH6Ig

this exactly sums it

half barrage trying to aim vg lands in open water

[ripe latch]

2200

[zenith tundra]

the other half goes for nagato

[frail orbit]

[ripe latch]

bullying ship

[frail orbit]

Aint that the same approach am using for my Formi Centaur tho

But by Yostar

Ehh

Manjuu

Annd Yongshi

[zenith tundra]

the backline targeting is also random

it can go for anyone really

[ripe latch]

gascogne have more chances to pvp?

[frail orbit]

Not even close

[zenith tundra]

i don't think just because georgia barrage actually hurts

2200x4=8800 once vg is dead

but yeah u have to sit with a ship that is less controllable then amagi....

[frail orbit]

And even Amagi shelling is rather derp tbh
Saying this as her husbu

[zenith tundra]

i love amagi but her random aim is such a pain sometimes

[frail orbit]

Well at least better luck but

Same

[elder crane]

at least her barrage actually has a chance at hitting vanguard

[frail orbit]

Also dahm muh 831

Only recently hits +10

[ripe latch]

almost get WaSDE on amagi

but what about vang

juneau + yuki + 1?

[frail orbit]

Xx slot just slap ur best j1zz sucker

Atm

If Amagi sv

[elder crane]

depends on what you're facing

Bel vs AKaga, probably Eld if Enty/mirror

[frail orbit]

^

[ripe latch]

hm , bel port juneau

vs foxs

[frail orbit]

Never use port

[elder crane]

Aurora, idk if that works well with WaSD
suitorps is also fine, but I'd do it with Jint rather than Aya

[frail orbit]

On PVP

Who is Port?

[elder crane]

[frail orbit]

All I heard is Indy chan kawaiii

[ripe latch]

[midnight heron]

is how to beat portland meme resurfacing

[crude mortar]

sendai flare and akaga bomb

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

I heard Minnie a Police used to be there on early EN PVP circa 2018, isnt she?

[vague token]

no?

i used her for a bit because i have mgm+1 bias

right after aurora but pre amagi

was like 1 month

[frail orbit]

Dunno what Lunar said about her use on PVP tho

I meant

[crude mortar]

is this amagi server tier?

[vague token]

she could shoot down eldridge before 20s

[frail orbit]

Am not that tryhard at that time keks

[elder crane]

No, normal server tier

[ripe latch]

amagi tier list 🚮

select ships

[elder crane]

Eld lead is just asking to be murdered

[crude mortar]

[elder crane]

Amagi tier list is still "whoever is higher level lol" I would think

[frail orbit]

Just get Amagi on 3 server

[vague token]

just get hiryuu

[frail orbit]

Ur main and all ur smurf

[vague token]

then amagi on rerun

[frail orbit]

Then marry her

[vague token]

2/3 there

i did hood/amagi/hiryuu for a bit

[sterile bluff]

i doubt i'll be able to get amagi on amagi

[crude mortar]

they should give amagi on everyone on amagi server

[vague token]

i swapped to dork/amagi/hiryuu later on

[crude mortar]

*to

[vague token]

because

[frail orbit]

Used to be on Amakaga for me

With Baka

[vague token]

dork also forced fox kills more consistently for me than hood before 2nd launch

i think

[ripe latch]

time to farm meme ijn fleet - foxs + juneau

[vague token]

during 110

but i guess hood/amagi/hiryuu should be pretty much fine

if someone goes foxes you just run them over

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

wasda should also be fine. it's just very slow at dealing damage

[vague token]

yeah

[ripe latch]

wasda for pvp def /pve , amagi + foxs for attack

[zenith tundra]

amakaga won't make it with wasda around. at 110 it already started having problems

i can imagine 120 will be even worse

[vague token]

amakaga gets dunked by wasda and amagi/hiryuu/x

xD

[zenith tundra]

maybe tosa will be a better hood? at least it counts toward amagi cdr

then u can run whatever with yuki juneau

[vague token]

the one advantage of hood is she can be obtained cube free

[ripe latch]

but what about 3 pos?

[vague token]

just wait for medals to cycle

[ripe latch]

bel?

[vague token]

you cant go for wash and save cubes from crimson

so budget wise hood is a good choice

sodak is budget friendly cause medals lul

[zenith tundra]

amagi tosa hiryuu jun yuki bel/jintsuu

[vague token]

i doubt anyone will have jintsuu by now

naka

is more likely

[zenith tundra]

belfast seems the most obvious choice

[vague token]

yeah

i dunno if there's any other friendly cl choices

edinburgh is budget friendly?

[zenith tundra]

isuzu is getting retroe'd instead of naka

[vague token]

mogami is in pool now

i guess?

useful in pve

i think that's about it?

[zenith tundra]

mogami would work with nagato

[vague token]

force toss phoenix in?

xD

[zenith tundra]

maybe eldridge

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

[zenith tundra]

time to make juneau invincible

[ripe latch]

juneau eldrige

[sour oasis]

I remember Illustrious Eldredge

[zenith tundra]

i didn't get lusty early. got her halfay trough fw

[elder crane]

The thing about hood for amagi server
is that we all just got her for free

with that login event

she's also PvE carry ship, so like, everyone's going to have her high level

[zenith tundra]

don't doubt that. i still think tosa should be better considering amagi cdr.

much easier to achive without many having jintsuu and without azuma/ noshiro around

[vague token]

just use naka ;))))))

rip list dead

[zenith tundra]

what does naka do? and at that point why bother leveling up naka instead of tosa

amagi centaur hiryuu might also work like centaur slow into hiryuu ryuusei/tenzan

[elder crane]

Naka, not Baka

she's the Sendai-class without a retro

[sterile bluff]

ok if I don't use warhalfkai would hiryuu amagi hood work?

[elder crane]

That's why I used pre-amagi, yep

quite good team on offense at least

[sterile bluff]

my monarch isn't dev30

[elder crane]

It did well even pre-120 pre-hiryuu retro

[sterile bluff]

orrrrrrrrrr

i could do ultimate HMS snipe

[elder crane]

you can't without WSret

[sterile bluff]

ik...

but like

after i get her sword

ill prolly do that

[elder crane]

lol
we'll have Nagato before sword anyways

[sterile bluff]

i want sword!

[vague token]

cay you still want data, i got a rank 28 xD

or na

@shell heron

[crude mortar]

I out sandbagging somebody

finally I can sleep

no +2 no sleep

[shell heron]

were you still below 1050?

[crude mortar]

im half bag

i do 0/10 everytime before sleep

my body sleep over 12 hour everyday

[vague token]

oh no

xD

was it only for under 1050?

[shell heron]

yes, after that the 35 point rule seems to apply

[vague token]

gotcha

[shell heron]

interesting enough. captain rank has a 23 point threshold

from what we see so far

need more data. I can claim any results with a sample size of 10 really

[karmic forum]

I just got +16 from a 100 point difference

[crude mortar]

got +14 from that

[shell heron]

that falls within the the results gathered so far. so 25 points per +1

need more bonuses. 1080 7/10

I feel like I'm a little behind

[vague token]

1086 7/10

just a tiny bit

[shell heron]

now it's a matter of who gets more +1s now

[shell heron]

I wonder if a r400 is enough for +1

nope

[crimson bear]

Intrigued to see if we get Tosa and the new ships that JP announced. If so, what impact if any does she have on PvP Namagi fleets?

[shell heron]

Tosa needs to fill the role of FdG or WSkai to have a big enough impact

[forest lake]

Just hope her messy af barrage does some good damage

And look at a possible useful 3rd skill

[vague token]

imma just do these last 2 matches before i forget

xD

[obsidian kite]

Thoughts?

[eager cedar]

[obsidian kite]

Not lvled

But

[eager cedar]

slot in a ykkz

[obsidian kite]

I'll Swap Bel

[eager cedar]

and why is qe flag slot?

[obsidian kite]

Having monarch on one side and WarKai on the other can delete 1 backline pretty fast

QE is flag so she keeps buffs up and focus fires anything warkai Snipes

[ripe latch]

brem on rn fleet

get yaptune and put

[eager cedar]

Queen's Orders
During combat, increases Firepower, Torpedo stat, Air Power, Anti-Air, Reload, and Evasion of HMS (Royal Navy) ships by 5% (15%)

she doesnt need flag to enable buffs

[ripe latch]

[obsidian kite]

Re

[eager cedar]

ssg rusher

[obsidian kite]

She does need to

But if she does faster than the other two then no buffs

[shell heron]

It might be more for positioning. I remember Monarch doing the most damage to the ship directly across from her

Although flagship position is more common

[obsidian kite]

I kinda wanna just go full in barrage ships XD

Hood, Monarch, And maybe Washington

[shell heron]

now that just sounds meme

[obsidian kite]

Then in the front like, Torp meme

Noshiro, Ayaya, and Yukikaze.

Would be a fun fleet

Or maybe frontline could be full of special barrages

[ripe latch]

ayaya fun fleet

[obsidian kite]

I need to get more oxytorps

[shell heron]

I'm just trying to understand the value of Dido and Bremerton

[obsidian kite]

Dido to buff QE and Brem just because I'm trying her out. More defe6if she's in the front, and a nice HE barrage

[ripe latch]

decreases this ship's DMG taken by 5.0% (20.0%) for 30s

[shell heron]

so it's acting like a Sanrui

I just can't recommend CAs. CVs and torpedos are far too painful

Outside of Ibuki and Azuma(even tho she's a CB) because those two are very specialized

[ripe latch]

only london retro if hms fleet only

[vague token]

london shakes torps and cvs off xD

but not big seven

[shell heron]

If Bremerton is as good as Sanrui like predicted, maybe she's fine. I mean people still use Sanrui

Still need to be tested and that means 120 Bremerton

[ripe latch]

[crude mortar]

@shell heron

[keen sparrow]

no bonus

[crude mortar]

[keen sparrow]

[shell heron]

let me run a quick calc on that. although the threshold at this point is known to be 35

[keen sparrow]

i also sometime gt that kind of bug? my openent n me have dif 35+ point but i got +0

but that 17 dif only

[forest lake]

It's ok

Still better than me getting +9 from rank 1

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

once your base points is 10, I can trust it's 35 for +1

Damn. a r278 was not enough for +1. I almost thought it was with me at 700

[vague token]

does bremerton's barrage do a guaranteed burn or is it only chappy

[forest lake]

Just lucc and it's guaranteed

[sour oasis]

Works 100% of the time 50% of the time.

[meager dawn]

ywis' TL says bremerton's barrage doesn't burn

[abstract cove]

Wrong channel f*ck

Ignore

[vague token]

so does it not burn at all

or does it have CA he burn chance

[meager dawn]

well if ywis tl is to be trusted, straight up doesn't burn

[vague token]

i thought it burned for the longest time =///

i dont want to use atago X_x

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't say it burns but then again it's he

[vague token]

what is this special he barrage translation on wiki even mean

xD

[zenith tundra]

maybe it's special because it doesn't burn

[vague token]

=(

if that's true i guess i have to use atago

[zenith tundra]

it's in-game description as well

[vague token]

hmmm

ill ask in alec

[karmic forum]

People in gameplay-help all say that it doesn't burn

[zenith tundra]

wis will answer there. maybe his answer is different from tl lol

[vague token]

ok most are also saying does not ignite

not sure if bug or not though

[karmic forum]

Bug or not I doubt devs will address it

[zenith tundra]

as i said it might be special because it doesn't burn

[karmic forum]

Just like how they don't address rossiya's barrage

[whole terrace]

I went 0-5 (W-L) against this comp, can u believe it??

[vague token]

you're probably losing your vanguard too fast

[forest lake]

git gud

[vague token]

juneau might need to be in front for aurora

[zenith tundra]

maybe snipe amagi and kill aurora before final counter

[whole terrace]

Will do

I've tested a number of things against it. Neptune definitely does better than noshiro against this comp

[zenith tundra]

noshiro ain't no tank in pvp

only an anti torp

[whole terrace]

That's the first time I'm hearing it

[zenith tundra]

idk i have a hard time seeing how noshiro is a tank in pvp when every noshiro i saw died just as fast as other cls

yukikaze vastly outlast her

[vague token]

noshiro is off tank

[zenith tundra]

even off thank she doesn't really survive as yukikaze

[vague token]

yeah, but she makes the other two tankier

xD

sharing is caring

[zenith tundra]

isn't exactly what i said? that i don't she is a tank and she is an anti torp ship?

[whole terrace]

Maybe aurora is a hard counter?

[zenith tundra]

aurora is a hard counter to everything tbh

at least dd/cl

but usually u have amagi doing her thing and stuff doesn't die as fast

amagi is one of the reasons why aurora isn't that used since just adding dmg when u have a dmg counter is not usually worth over tankiness

[meager dawn]

Has someone tried avrora for pvp torpmemes before?

[vague token]

not worth it

she dies super fast

[meager dawn]

Like a true torpmeme

[zenith tundra]

before amagi aurora was really scary hence people using stuff like saint louis before

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

you'll probably just die to the enemy non torp meme opener

like noshiro/ykkz will put a huge dent in her xD

[whole terrace]

she dies super fast
@vague token that's what i thought, that's why i don't use her though i have her levelled

and yet...

[vague token]

she's also slow

so you have less chance to dodge

[meager dawn]

is this true?

[vague token]

lol

[karmic forum]

[zenith tundra]

idk who even ever said that. she was broken day 1 just by looking at skills

[whole terrace]

3-2 (W-L) with some reshuffling. Good enough

Maybe I overreacted still strange tho

[vague token]

monarch is worse than formidable in that comp

[whole terrace]

Yep. i don't have her

[vague token]

ah

[shell heron]

I like my Warspite on the side always. I'm not sure the AI handles picking between top and bottom targets

[zenith tundra]

it's top 1st unless some weird bug going on

[meager dawn]

you mean when she's the flagship?

[meager dawn]

1 guy found

[zenith tundra]

i did find 1 negative comment about amagi

[meager dawn]

[karmic forum]

That comment also lacks context

[shell heron]

I haven't used WFC or faced many WS flag so don't notice how targeting is.

[karmic forum]

They always hit the top first

[zenith tundra]

how right daxam was

[meager dawn]

was hiryuu ever used before amagi came out

[zenith tundra]

nah

[karmic forum]

This was even before hiryuu kai right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[shell heron]

I seen it used, it just became more viable when her retro came out

[karmic forum]

Hiryuu base was extremely effective in that comp

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu pre amagi wasn't a thing. hiryuu pre retro with amagi was used

[meager dawn]

Heard she was used against foxes before amagi came out

[vague token]

hiryuu + amagi was great even before retro

[karmic forum]

It was already the best comp the moment nagato came out on EN

[meager dawn]

how is the amagi pvp going to be

amakaga or amagi bunnies

wasd amagi?

[zenith tundra]

wasda or amagi hiryuu tosa/hood

[karmic forum]

Although tbf everyone was either using amakaga or wasd Amagi

Before nagato

[zenith tundra]

amakaga was really strong at 100

[shell heron]

Amagi/Hiryuu/Tosa sounds like it may happen

[zenith tundra]

at 110 amagi hiryuu was overall better

[shell heron]

depending on what her skills are

[meager dawn]

rarely ever seen wasda when I was new

amakaga was everywhere

[zenith tundra]

wasda was stronger then amakaga at 110

[karmic forum]

Amakaga actually did decently against namaryuu in the ISSS meta

[zenith tundra]

but not many had wasd maxed

[karmic forum]

Better than nakaga at the very least

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu at 110 was strong enough to beat anything with ease on offense

[shell heron]

Those that had WASDE ready can convert to WASDA pretty easy

[zenith tundra]

they still had to level wasd to 110

[obsidian kite]

Let's play with RNG

Throw 3 carriers with quick takeoff

[shell heron]

it was pretty good. I didn't have it leveled but trying to kill that backline with foxes was pretty bad

[zenith tundra]

wasda before 110 wasn't much superior to amakaga. it's the extra tankiness from hp and hp scaling that pushed it over amakaga

[karmic forum]

Most people probably levelled up the foxes in preparation for nagato

People were convinced that nakaga would take over the meta

Wasd ended up being abandoned

[zenith tundra]

i was using foxes before amagi in wasde era

it was a pain, sometimes having to go enty foxes to beat some wasdh comps...

[karmic forum]

Did you use them with hood?

[meager dawn]

I only used hood foxes until nagato came out

no amagi

[karmic forum]

I used foxes as well and I remember using them with enty and hood depending on the matchup

I miss the akaga meta tbh

[zenith tundra]

current meta is so locked to broken stuff that any new ships that isn't a dr/ur has like 0 chances of making it in pvp.... amagi is the original sin tho

[karmic forum]

It was a simpler time where PvP matches took less than 30 seconds

[keen sparrow]

amagi n duo fox maybe will meta at amagi

since no warkai

[zenith tundra]

difference in timing is due to hp scaling

like at 100 u had a lot less hp

then 120

[karmic forum]

And I used fast launching DBs because launching before the enemy akaga was extremely important

[meager dawn]

@keen sparrow but bunnies kai

[zenith tundra]

maybe without ws yes amakaga can be a thing but people will also have wasd which is just as hard of a counter as ws is

[meager dawn]

wont hiryuu just wreck akaga

[hot creek]

daxam senpai

[karmic forum]

Some people used Wasd hiryuu in the amakaga meta

[meager dawn]

wasd hiryuu?

[karmic forum]

But hiryuu was pretty low-key before nagato

[meager dawn]

2 ships that go invincible

at near death

[zenith tundra]

i don't think wasd hiryuu was stronger then wasda but it might have been a bit faster on offense

[obsidian kite]

What's wasd?

[meager dawn]

washington south dakota

[obsidian kite]

Ohh

Never see them in PvP nani

[karmic forum]

They're past their prime

A relic of the old days

[meager dawn]

yeah

probably see them in amagi

dunno if they'll still be in amagi after amagi comes out

[obsidian kite]

I like barrage ships

[zenith tundra]

wasd is a slow comp since sd has no barrage and washy has a slow one. it's mostly unused since it works well against cv comps but not current meta

it was strong in akaga meta

wasda should still be a good comp

without nagato and namagi comp there definitely is space for wasd in pvp

[obsidian kite]

So

Hood can increase the relod for the backline right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[meager dawn]

yeah

[obsidian kite]

I wanna go barrage meme and just throw 3 barrage ships, so like Monarch, Hood, and Amagi(I don't have Amagi tho

No synergy

But fun

[sterile bluff]

i see that u r a man of culture as well

may I introduce u to my religion?

[obsidian kite]

Yessu

[sterile bluff]

called "backline barrage memes"

and the only members are me myself and I

[obsidian kite]

I have Suruga too, her barrage is pretty

[sterile bluff]

[meager dawn]

backline torpmemes, amagi tosa bbkaga

[sterile bluff]