made me waste 1 exercise because i kept logging to see if they move
#pvp
outer owl
zenith tundra
if ur list is dead u can try doing 1 more attempt and hope u find more active people but usually there isn't much u can do about it
outer owl
so refresh is better used in mid to end season?
zenith tundra
don't do that. if last 10min no one moves it's time to move urself
end season it's the most value u get out of refreshes since u can refresh into easy bonuses when people rush for top 10 rank
outer owl
i see. also are the top 50 people in my server rushers? they have around 800+ merit while I only have 600+
and i have 5 exercise left
zenith tundra
u mean score? u cannot see merit
outer owl
yeah score
ripe latch
rush on last 5 trys before season ends to get top10
zenith tundra
not all top players are 100% rushers. some people sandbag and then are forced to sleep over an entire reset so they end up using all attempts
outer owl
is possible to get over 800 now with 5 exercise left? I got 20+ score a few times but cant get close to top 1000
drowsy heron
Why do I want to rush the last 5 before reset?
ripe latch
if u play only left opponents
zenith tundra
what's ur actual score?
outer owl
640+ i think
zenith tundra
650+15x5=725
outer owl
would it be recommended to rush in the early season to get rid of the low score people?
zenith tundra
@drowsy heron u want to rush from 5/10 to 0/10 if u know u miss an entire reset or before maint to avoid stuff like 12h+ maint the screw up people
drowsy heron
I meant last 5 before season ends
zenith tundra
early season is when u get a lot of bonuses. i wouldn't do that but there is no guaranteed either that people use their attempts or can beat opponents on a new server
i never played pvp on a new server so idk what is best
outer owl
i play on lex
zenith tundra
end season u use last 5 attempts so u don't lose them. no reason to keep them
drowsy heron
But you wait until last minute, just like a normal reset?
zenith tundra
it depends on score imo. like when there are people with already better scores then ur max u can just rush since people with same score are sorted in chronological order
drowsy heron
Cool thanks a lot you are the best @zenith tundra 👌
zenith tundra
idk i would try and get very early bonuses at the beginning of a season so u avoid full dead list but after that is really about how many people move if it is worth staying at 10/10 or less @outer owl
like on avrora where there are a lot of people playing pvp is worth staying at 10/10
outer owl
yes i think my problem is that i cant tell whether my list is dead or not because sometimes i get high lvl opponents but they never move
ripe latch
if u play against high lvl players some chance to get win
zenith tundra
not all high level people move. some don't do pvp consistently
or could have just miss resets
ripe latch
if no - play against small fleets lvl and cant reach rank admiral or above
outer owl
yes sometimes hope that they move but after waiting a few hours and still didnt move. then i feel that i should have just refreshed my list or attack to get new opponents that may move
zenith tundra
full sandbagging is for end of season score. if u only want aotn u can sandbag a bit at the beginning and then just rush. it should be enough
outer owl
@ripe latch i attack high level. I got good team
outer owl
no i am trying to hunt them
zenith tundra
dead lists happens to everyone. sometimes it happens then no one moves at all an entire reset.
drowsy heron
I lost four attempts as I forgot to do them before sleep, so I can probably not get top 10 this time but hoping to be able to get aotn at least
zenith tundra
i think being 4 attempts behind and staying at 10/10 early season is risky
u could try staying at 6-7/10 till after captain rank
drowsy heron
Ok
zenith tundra
losing attempts and staying at full 10/10 is a bad move since u can really just end up with inactive people. u should try and keep up with others sandbaggers in score
outer owl
do you know how many rank higher my opponent needs to be for me to score bonus points?
zenith tundra
after 1050 score the difference in score in between you and the opponent needs to be 35 for a +1. before that the difference is score is less. we are making a sheet now trying to figure out minimum score needed for early ranks too
drowsy heron
The list on Amagi is a bit weird as a few of the top 10 are sandbaggers “Azur lane meta” had top spot before maintainance
outer owl
so if I am 1035 rank and my opponent is 1000 rank i can get 15+1 score from that?
zenith tundra
rank is not score
rank is how people relate to the others
i am rank 1106 with 954 score
score is used for bonuses not rank
outer owl
yes if I were to attack my opponent that has 1700 rank while i am 1900 will i get any bonus points? or will i get 15? am lieutenant rank
zenith tundra
rank is used to tell if people used attempts and eventually u'll be able to tell even how much they moved in relation to u but it takes some experience since it's based on server and every server is different
most likely u won't get any bonuses 200 rank difference it's less then 1 attempt difference
outer owl
oh i see. so even if they have placed 200 rank above me our score difference may be very little right? since there are many players
zenith tundra
there some cases where people are very far apart in score even within less then 400 ranks but that usually is very early season
outer owl
i may have messed up at the start cause i think i rushed 0/10
zenith tundra
1st reset is when u get the most amount of bonuses
like even with it mattering like only ~60% as effective bonus it's a lot compared to what u can get past 1050 score
outer owl
yes i think i will rush a little now to catch up to the active players since im still together with people who 0/10 and inactive people.
i didnt know about sandbag before i did that
zenith tundra
what i do to ensure i run into active people after season reset is to check list exactly 1min after reset and ur list should always have people that already used 1 attempt
after they finish rushing all 5 u can attack for a good bonus
u can easily get 2-4 attempts with bonuses just by camping the 1st 20min or so of a reset
outer owl
season reset?
outer owl
ok i see thanks
midnight heron
er ok so now i cant do battles lul
zenith tundra
did u try relog?
zenith tundra
nice bug tho
ripe latch
open mission - select daily event and battles open 
crude mortar
all accoarding to keikaku
+2
i should've stay 5/10 more
9/10 and everyone sandbeggar
ripe latch
@zenith tundra bunnies or foxs ? 
zenith tundra
for what?
zenith tundra
neither but hiryuu is a better investment imo
ripe latch
crude mortar
why isn't fox good on amagi?
zenith tundra
i would pick bunnies but i don't think they are necessarily better then foxes
foxes will be good till u start fighting any wasde that will kick ur ass at 120
ripe latch
ok , seems like make 2 cv corps
zenith tundra
i think bunnies will be pretty much the same maybe even worse since they are frailer and have same launch time as enty
ripe latch
retro bunnies cost all jp budget 
zenith tundra
maxed hiryuu and souryuu cost 48800. maxed foxes cost 36000. problem with bunnies is retro bps
elder crane
What you want against WaSDE is HMS team
That team is tough vs aviation damage, but is pretty normal vs shelling, especially if you avoid Enty proc timing
I think Bunnies with retro will do well though, since you avoid SoDak shield, and final counter does pretty well vs Enty since 2x plane travel time > enty proc duration
Though, something like Hood/Hiryuu/Enty might be better than running both bunnies
In any case, back in the day, I ran Hiryuu(non-retro)/Amagi/Hood, and somewhat to my surprise, that team demolished all WaSD variants as offense
ripe latch
wasde with juneau
think WaSDE/ Hiryuu Port kai / juneau / nanoda tier0-0.5 on next 2-4 months
elder crane
the reason why foxes splash against it is that WaSD just has a ridiculous eHP pool vs aviation, which makes it a natural counter to "fast" teams like Foxes
meager aspen
What's sandbag mean? I've heard it before but can't understand the meaning
elder crane
Wash and SoDak have as much eHP vs aviation as FdG does
Sandbag means holding charges instead of using them until you have to, so people on your list use their charges to climb, which you can then fight them for extra points
meager aspen
I see
sour oasis
Finally fought a top 100; exactly 140 ladder point difference, 20 lp on victory (+5 bonus)
(I still like the term dragging ⚓, where does 'sandbag' come from?)
zenith tundra
what was ur score or opponent score. it's better then just difference of points
sour oasis
Why is it better?
zenith tundra
easier to determine rank but whatever
shell heron
We're gathering data to calculate the threshold for each rank. If we knew your score before we can catagorize it.
zenith tundra
i made some early calculations on the results and it's interesting
the 1st row is from score difference/bonus+1 or score difference of +0 attempts
shell heron
Oh. I'll check it out in a bit. For lieutenant jr grade is looking nice so far
zenith tundra
rank definitely is a factor in 1 way or another
shell heron
We're getting a good linear slope. But we havent hit the lowest value yet
zenith tundra
the 1st row should be lower in all cases then 2nd one
but it isn't
if u assume only score difference that's it
@sour oasis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbagging
11-3hm boss almost killed my entire vg... noshiro died with bulge like wtf
sour oasis
Well, it was McPootis on Avrora they should still be top 10
zenith tundra
was he rank 1 already? because now is rank 1
sour oasis
F. I should have waited a bit longer. I think they were rank 4 or 9.
zenith tundra
she is the easiest to get after all with good ships for xp
proper sorrel
still quite impressive
midnight heron
yea u guys gonna face full 120 fleets in a month with such ppl around 
drowsy heron
Pretty dumb to use retrofit blueprints on a PR ship at this stage, no?
I got my first level 100 ship yesterday
zenith tundra
it's a flex. for all gemeplay purposes a dev 0 saint louis is worse then portland anyway
drowsy heron
Yeah it’s a impressive feat but just stupid 🙂
I’m going to grind the xp then switch to another ship, no reason to unlock them until I have enough blueprints
shell heron
Not really seeing how it's stupid. 10 T2 bps is not that crazy.
ripe latch
120 ships with blue guns 
zenith tundra
and 5 t3 bps
zenith tundra
even a dev 5 saint louis is nothing more then a trophy
shell heron
at least dev15
zenith tundra
that's not dev 10 anyway just by stars
ripe latch
pr1 anyway just food 
ripe latch
foxs say hello 
shell heron
I'm only running buki on my avrora def so not like I can see how the matches turn out
but I am really tempted to use my general bps to fate5 her
max torp meme
ripe latch
noshiro double rainbow max meme
and if put sakura topr gold - -1 form first salvo torp
zenith tundra
@shell heron this was what i was talking about earlier.
some of the scores needed for an extra bonus are actually higher then the minimum needed for other scores to get the actual bonus. i think we should include ranks as well in the sheet from now on since it 100% affects bonuses in some way
shell heron
I plan on separating the ranks into different sheets if the sheet gets too big, but I thought ranks were already included
zenith tundra
both of those are really big differences. maybe after a certain amount (presumably 4 looking at that) u actually need more points? or it might even be after a certain difference in score too....
shell heron
we might be looking at a the upper range on that bonus point. I predict with enough data we'll see the same slope for all upper range and lower range values for each bonus point gained
that looks interesting what you did there. If you don't mind sharing it on the sheet. I would like to see those numbers
zenith tundra
my point is by already a bunch of results some minimum are lower then maximums which is 
i would've done it in the actual sheet but cannot edit 2nd sheet
zenith tundra
ok thanks
shell heron
We'll be getting our conclusion using the minimum, but having maximums showing a similar trend on a graph can help us validate the results
zenith tundra
23/25/26 for the 3 ranks at 15 base seems good
i think that diving the results like u said by rank will make it much easier to add scores and read
leave 1st tab how it is and 1 for each rank separately
shell heron
Looks good, easier to read. Didn't think to find a possible min threshold by using that formula.
crimson bear
Good work folks. Almost to the point in the season where we will cut off the form
jaunty junco
Ugh, waited too long to do my last attempt and unexpectedly didn't win :/
elder crane
I just get mine in well early
this early on in season it doesn't matter anyways
you're not so many points above climbers yet
zenith tundra
i think u should protect the sheets for each rank separately. not sure how u setup the protection
elder crane
it's really in 2nd week where you start having to hold charges to last second to have a chance at bonuses
zenith tundra
i feel like if someone doesn't move by last 7 mins u won't get a bonus anyway
considering u need 4 attempts difference for bonus they would need ~4mins. if u wait till last 3mins u won't end ur charges anyway so not worth waiting
elder crane
well, the thing is, there's a group of ppl who move, and a group who delaydelaydelay, right?
the people who move this early on aren't much below your score yet anyways, so you still see them with not much diff frequency even if you go down to 5/10 early (which is what I'm doing)
once we get into second week, they start being so far down in points that you have to try to nom on the delayers to get bonuses, which is when holding charges to last second makes any sense
also that, yep
also imo
super early on
riding at around 4/10 or 5/10 gives you the most rushers
since that puts you at around the rank all the rushers will be at
you'll get no major bonuses, but they come much more frequently
ripe latch
sour oasis
Still unsure if knowing exact rank is helpful, but here's the cut-off in Avrora for Captain .
Also, is this the main public sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit#gid=656633858
shell heron
We don't know if each rank has different thresholds. So far it's looking close but not enough samples to make a conclusive decision.
crimson bear
Still unsure if knowing exact rank is helpful, but here's the cut-off in Avrora for Captain .
Also, is this the main public sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qcsL0u7Kl1TfF9J2vjwgXy7msNuY-CpLLAaMfKKjPds/edit#gid=656633858
@sour oasis Yes this is the public one. Happy with how it's coming along so far.
mint hornet
is the amount of points you gained based on the numeric difference b/w you and the person you're facing; and not the positions in rank?
as an example
Someone has 1100 points rank 500. I'm at 900 rank 2000.
It doesn't matter if more people end up b/w the two of us and I end up rank 5000, 900 points, but they're still 1100 points right?
sterile bluff
ye points determine everything
ionic magnet
but there's just no way to know the score difference unless you have him in top 100
so rank difference is the closest thing we got
sterile bluff
it's a nightmare once u reach captain
cuz ppl's ranks don't rly increase often anymore
so u gotta guess their scores
unless u in top100 in which case u r probably not captain anymore
shell heron
now that would be another project on it's own being able to predict how much bonus points you gain based on rank.
maybe another time
sterile bluff
mint hornet
yea I figured the amount the person moved up was enough so I fought and got +13 which is about normal for sandbagging atm
karmic forum
Server lagged and this happened
Refreshed and got the points eventually but I found it amusing
shell heron
imagine winning and not getting your points
ionic magnet
sterile bluff
nice shibuki
sour oasis
I feel like I should just rush this season
zenith tundra
found famine. is he at 9 or 10/10...
finite valve
gold hard cap is at 600k right?
shell heron
9/10 more likely
vague token
marsh bane
gold hard cap is at 600k right?
@finite valve yes
obsidian kite
I wanna have fun with a non-meta fleet
crimson bear
Then be thankful for the attacker bonus. You can play nearly anything that is leveled and equipped highly.
forest lake
ripe latch
upper sparrow
empty grove
smoky elk
proper sorrel
frail orbit
zenith tundra
if no other +2 bonuses it's better to eat a -1 here right?
hot creek
yeah
coral wren
ionic magnet
amagi rerun 
zenith tundra
are those from stream? didn't they say anything?
ripe latch
tosa 
empty grove
Welp
keen sparrow
waiting how broken they buff n barrage
ripe latch
new cl ijn ssr?
elder crane
CE rerun
empty grove
23rd
elder crane
And yeah, time to see if Tosa is any good, basically
zenith tundra
nothing new
keen sparrow
that pink hair look like amagi v2.0
zenith tundra
ce was expected
keen sparrow
n tosa hope it gud 
elder crane
Wrong one, it's the grey hair one at end
zenith tundra
are all those added to ce?
elder crane
Anyways, more floof is always welcome
empty grove
She got a tail
elder crane
Yes
zenith tundra
ripe latch
naka cv 
zenith tundra
rip cubes
keen sparrow
lucky i save cube n hope rng bless me
elder crane
Btw, anyone know what this says?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416833926414204938/700668680769372220/image0.png
keen sparrow
tosa new meta
zenith tundra
i'm mostly fine with 528 but on en....
elder crane
Tosa apparently has two barrages, one main that's apparently like Rossiya spread + torps, and another proximity?
At least that's what I've been told
zenith tundra
yay another suruga
elder crane
I suppose "like Suruga" basically on main barrage
Not sure what to expect on the proximity barrage
zenith tundra
unless literally broken it's gonna be relevant on en only
keen sparrow
like saruga with more dmg
elder crane
There's also a proximity barrage
keen sparrow
ripe latch
12 torps 0 dmg
keen sparrow
100% burn chance
ripe latch
zenith tundra
problem is she has to compete with hiryuu and fdg for a 3rd spot in namagi
elder crane
Basically
Assuming main barrage is just Surugahs, either proximity barrage and/or 3rd skill need to be really good
zenith tundra
might be interesting full ijn team but really if she cannot tank it might not be worth using against certain comps
elder crane
Surugah/KagaBB base stats isn't that bad
keen sparrow
probably she will have another broken buff like nagato or mamagi
ionic magnet
pr3 bois here we go
elder crane
It's no FdG, but defs not fragile
ionic magnet
keen sparrow
50% accuary buff n 50% reload buff
ripe latch
pr3 its super yuki
keen sparrow
zenith tundra
i cannot wait to try full ijn but doubt will move fdg from 3rd spot
elder crane
Yeah, unlikely
keen sparrow
yuki with 50% chance do 1dmg
ripe latch
another food ship like suruga 
keen sparrow
zenith tundra
what class are the other 2 ships?
zenith tundra
elder crane
Obviously going to be 🚮
zenith tundra
🚮
elder crane
One might be an Aki class though, so is usable in PvE
Other one probably still has IJN DD stats so won't be terrible in PvE
But like, elite DD
Even after IJN bias, that's all you can really expect of them
elder crane
Rarity doesn't have to mean anything
zenith tundra
i'm curious if the melee barrage will be like fdg or like hyuuga
elder crane
Yep
If it's anywhere near as strong as FdG's, she could have a chance with a decent skill3
zenith tundra
seems hard to be as broken as fdg one
elder crane
I'm expecting hyuuga-esque though
Here we go bois
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/416833926414204938/700674769103880262/unknown.png
PR3
zenith tundra
keen sparrow
cv on pr3
zenith tundra
any news about fate 5 pr2?
keen sparrow
ripe latch
kita its high ship on class, so...
zenith tundra
would be interesting if dd were in the slightly useful for something. seems to me that their only usefulness is torp and eva padding for hm...
ripe latch
usless food with 3,2k hp
keen sparrow
kita hp + yuki buff = new pr 3 dd?
ripe latch
and name zacknanoda
zenith tundra
that still wouldn't really beat yuki
ripe latch
keen sparrow
yuki retro when with more hp
zenith tundra
they have to copy paste yuki skills and improve heal with mgm+! for a chance
elder crane
Crosswave dlc blah blah
Make a separate stream for that smh
Maybe no one would watch it though lol
zenith tundra
did they say the date for pr3? is it in april?
elder crane
Idk I know no JP
zenith tundra
that's one reason no to watch it since i would only really understand picutres
midnight heron
all dem new skins tho jesus
zenith tundra
how about amagi skin?
empty grove
Nope
ionic magnet
nein
elder crane
Lol keep dreaming
frail orbit
Nejn
zenith tundra
lol
ionic magnet
no skin for new ssr too lol
empty grove
Makinami
Naka
Ashigara
Hiei
2 new ones
zenith tundra
they won't get my money then
elder crane
Okay, PR3 announcement I was told is just "we've been approved to start working on it"
No EtA
empty grove
I'm at a point where I level w/e
frail orbit
empty grove
Good skins just means I pick it to level sooner
midnight heron
just wanna say ashigara doesnt even look like her 
just like isuzu
empty grove
Apparently wargaming need to announce it
elder crane
I mean
I assume they're basically just starting to commission artists for it
I'd bet on late summer at earliest
frail orbit
Dunno
zenith tundra
any ~~ non swimsuit ~~ amagi skin is fine for me
keen sparrow
frail orbit
elder crane
Also yeah, they'll need to wait on WG to model the new ships in WoWS too
ionic magnet
any skin for amagi is fine at this point
zenith tundra
i don't like swimsuit skins in this game at all
elder crane
No way WG isn't hyping up a new premium with this
frail orbit
Same
empty grove
I like all skins in this game except 2
frail orbit
Preferred my girls to look pretty at the banquet
Which is anniv skin or festival skin
Or CNY skin
empty grove
frail orbit
At least my only target now is Tosa
And my coobs dahm
It drains like hell when u spammed coob research
empty grove
I don't remember the last time I had over 50 cubes
frail orbit
300ish now
keen sparrow
i just want mamagi frst then tosa
empty grove
zenith tundra
amagi tosa hiryuu new meta on amagi for sure lol
ionic magnet
what does tosa even do
empty grove
ionic magnet
her barrage looks meh tbh
frail orbit
Perhaps
Better wait and see
zenith tundra
proximity from what blue said
ionic magnet
looks like proc on fire on the stream
empty grove
As in firing when something is in range
zenith tundra
she has 2
empty grove
Yeah 2
ionic magnet
the spread is 🚮
ionic magnet
yes
keen sparrow
barrage pattern will change at exc
ionic magnet
well lets just wait ig
keen sparrow
empty grove
Amagi's barrage seemed like level 10 too
So i'd assume tosa's was
At that part when the stream had 3~ FPS
zenith tundra
120 ships with lvl 1 barrage lol
frail orbit
Also looks like hmmmm
Mob only
Kinda trying hard to make FDG or Nagatoot like barrage
zenith tundra
doesn't look that terrible
outside of -1 fps
it has strong parts and those really matters
everything else is vg dmg
.... ok who tf uses 457 vs dd boss
zenith tundra
lol
frail orbit
Well best modifier anyway so dont see why not even if AP they said so
zenith tundra
i feel sorry for that amagi
zenith tundra
tosa didn't have an active skill at the beginning like amagi. dunno what to expect from 3rd skill...
zenith tundra
those activate at the beginning
amagi blue skill that give evasion and fire dr activates
stable dawn
could have a trigger like "after this ship takes damage" or something
zenith tundra
idk how they managed to fuck up the most important part
keen sparrow
the phone canot handle the barrage
zenith tundra
how old ur phone must be...
ripe latch
frail orbit
Wut fock up
zenith tundra
like old phone doesn't lag that badly and i have it from al release in en
2fps barrage showcase
keen sparrow
super lag barrage
frail orbit
zenith tundra
lol
ripe latch
zenith tundra
there are worse things like having suruga kirishima and tosa all shoot firework guns
drowsy heron
Feels good that I didn’t burn all my cubes for Washington
zenith tundra
rip amagi people that won't get amagi
keen sparrow
im still lv 6 on amagi
drowsy heron
I’m hoping to be able to get her, but don’t have a big stack of cubes yet under 100
keen sparrow
lazy
drowsy heron
113 to be exact
keen sparrow
pray 10 roll gt all
drowsy heron
I’ll have to pray to Lady Luck 😂
But one week to go and the event is two weeks? So I should be able to farm some more cubes
drowsy heron
I’ll just limit my pulls to 1 light/day and farm as many as I can
keen sparrow
i nid more coin
keen sparrow
300k for 200x pull
zenith tundra
yeah but u lose merchant coins if u stack too much beforehand
plus there is all event to get 300k
drowsy heron
Almost have hiryuu at level 100 but haven’t started retrofit yet
Need one more purple blueprint for Portland’s retrofit then I will start with hiryuu
zenith tundra
2.2k dmg from tosa melee barrage. we can expect around 1.1-1.2k dmg in pvp
to bad seems like she only has 2 strong projectiles
also seems like it activates earlier then hyuuga one that starts with a 10s cd
drowsy heron
Are tosa a new ship?
zenith tundra
tosa is a new ship yes
keen sparrow
but that still nt max skill?
zenith tundra
the ship is 120. i don't think they would showcase a sl0 ship
is this a debuff???
i've never seen that effect before
keen sparrow
seems new debuff
keen sparrow
zenith tundra
it's a 2fps video
forest lake
Guess imma just wait til datamines next week
zenith tundra
u can barely see numbers
if it is 1.6k dmg from barrage it's 850 in pvp. pretty bad
hopefully whatever debuff she gets is good
keen sparrow
debuff inc dmg recived by 100% for 30s
zenith tundra
i don't think it's damage increase
whole terrace
I'm pretty sure one person will be more excited about the rerun than anyone @sterile bluff
zenith tundra
seems to be 3 sets of strong shells that fall in the middle and some other random stuff
if i have to guess mods on tosa barrage are the same as kaga bb. 70/100/90
at least the 1.6k seems to be on light and 2.1k on medium is a 30% difference
frail orbit
And hers seems to be on proc when Baka is being timed
outer owl
if u don't get amagi might as well quit pvp pretty much
@zenith tundra why so? I dont have her so idk
hot creek
HMS still viable.
outer owl
So i can replace monarch with amagi? I run with warkai and enterprise
zenith tundra
run ws monarch amagi instead imo
hot creek
Thats more of opinion than fact but ok
zenith tundra
i tested both amagi ws monarch and ws monarch qe
and amagi does better
against namagi fdg
outer owl
Amagi dont need flag? I see her barrage is hood type?
outer owl
run ws monarch amagi instead imo
@zenith tundra because enterprise is rng?
zenith tundra
u can make the fight 3vs2 easily with ws monarch focus
enty drops most of the load on vg
which is an hindrance imo
elder crane
WS and Amagi are just better than Enty, and Monarch with WS targeting is also clearly better
outer owl
Yeah thats always the case
elder crane
that's the tl;dr of it
outer owl
Im running mk6 on monarch and triple410 on wk is that bis?
elder crane
run DrH on monarch imo
zenith tundra
use a fast gun on monarch either twin 381 or twin 406
elder crane
I prefer twin 406 since it's as fast as you really need it to be, and not procing barrage isn't as painful
hot creek
Well you can still do pvp without Amagi regardless. Especially in Amagi server where nobody is gonna have those endgame meta comps for a long time. HMS will do just fine.
elder crane
does the twin 381 hit any specific timings that the DrH doesn't?
zenith tundra
on amagi expect everyone to have amagi
elder crane
amagi will be the server with least amagi imo
since much less time to bank res
outer owl
Ok also sg and rudder on wk ok? Or replace sg with shell? My wk most of the time hit 1 of 2 shells from skill
zenith tundra
i haven't tested enough to see differences in between them.
zenith tundra
amagi can be anywhere u need her to be
elder crane
Amagi can be anywhere, but preferably where she doesn't take too much pressure
unless you stack defensive aux on her
if you don't have VH on her, she'll be taking a lot of damage from Nagato and Amagi barrages, so avoid those if you can
with VH it's whatever
hot creek
I did just fine with HMS when Amakaga and SodakWashAmagi was "meta". Missing out on Amagi isn't gonna be the end of soneone's pvp career lol
elder crane
in terms of what you want her to hit, anything with medium armor is nice food and is usually what you'd want to focus anyways
zenith tundra
eventually other ships will join u know. isss is like within next 3-4 events
hot creek
Even so, wfc will still be great for a long time.
elder crane
Also
We have the bunny retros now
Amagi server won't have FC til much later
Also no Warkai for a good while probably
outer owl
Is it fine to use triple410ap on wk or use he on all backline?
elder crane
410AP or Litt gun on her is fine
if your team rarely reaches 1 min mark, Litt gun is slightly better
outer owl
I cant tell the difference between 410 and mk6 when sniping enterprise
elder crane
the +10% salvo damage is additive with the -20% on BB it seems
so it's more a +12.5%
overall, you end up doing ~7% more per shell with Litt gun
zenith tundra
u don't usually snipe bb tho
zenith tundra
considering 1st priorities are amagi bc and hiryuu/enty cv
elder crane
I meant the -20% penalty BBs get
so warkai damage mod goes from 80% -> 90%, a 12.5% increase
outer owl
In namagiryuu comp should i snipe amagi or hiryuu first?
outer owl
Why?
hot creek
I always snipe Hiryuu.
elder crane
probably Hiryuu with warkai Amagi Monarch
outer owl
Monarch warkai and enty but i will replace enty with amagi once 120
zenith tundra
hiryuu is usually a safer bet then amagi
outer owl
Ok great thanks
elder crane
especially if you have a fragileish vanguard and you don't have own Hiryuu, you defs want to snipe Hiryuu first
zenith tundra
is 21 spread ok on littorio gun or is not big of a deal due to ws skill?
elder crane
basically doesn't matter due to ws skill, yep
and also I have serious doubts on how the devs calculate spread
the RNG dispersion is same on Litt and 410AP
the extra spread is from "fixed pattern"
however, I think devs put "total spread = RNG spread + fixed spread"
zenith tundra
1671->1788 it's a boost already
elder crane
when in fact it should be more like "total spread = sqrt(RNG spread^2+fixed spread^2)
Yeah, it's pretty much exactly 7% more damage on med/heavy
less damage on light but who cares
if your team finishes match before 1 min, it's pretty much a strict upgrade
zenith tundra
so it's more of a sniping gun focusing more on dealing dmg early
elder crane
Yep
I'm running semitorpmemes for vanguard, so it matches that team perfectly
something like stall-vg with NamagiWS though, would be questionable
zenith tundra
tosa and kaga bb barrage seem to have similar dmg at least for the strong shells. i wonder if tosa will also have the 50% barrage chance...
that would be a total disappointment
ok if that tosa was actually using 2 shells maybe not similar. bb kaga should do 2.4k vs 2.1k
elder crane
Also, if you've noticed, the shell damage color is red instead of yellow
standard BB normal ammo mods are almost always yellow colour
zenith tundra
u cannot see much at 2 fps
but it did 1.6k on light and 2.1k on medium
the difference seems to be around 30% just like normal shells
elder crane
that's not right actually
BB normal is 70/100, right?
so if it did at least 1600 on light
it should be doing almost 2.3k on medium
zenith tundra
elder crane
Yeah, it's the stuff in Amagi/Nagato barrages
90/120/70 probably
which means it'll be dogshit vs heavy armor if it's that
zenith tundra
well F
at the very least should be more consistent
and has a melee barrage that seems to hit 2.2k on light, but only 2 shells
zenith tundra
confirmed on 23rd ce rerun
crude mortar
what ce mean
zenith tundra
crimson echoes
crude mortar
ok
zenith tundra
amagi event
zenith tundra
just get lucky
zenith tundra
it's easier to get them with rates up
crude mortar
washington smile is irresistable
zenith tundra
might as well be. but after 8 months of daily heavy and 0 graf spee i wouldn't mind rate up
ripe latch
past egret
Did u leave wash for good or is that Amagi account for fun @ripe latch
zenith tundra
past egret
hands together praying we don’t get another large cruiser
zenith tundra
i actually was expecting more large cruisers after azuma but i guess that is her own thing
karmic forum
EN will realistically have to wait another year for PR3
zenith tundra
maybe not
karmic forum
I'm certain we won't get it at the same time as JP/CN
zenith tundra
it could be anywhere from december to who knows when
elder crane
EN I'm almost sure will get PR3 with JP and CN, my bet is on towards end of summer
karmic forum
If its that late then maybe but I think PR3 will be revealed sooner
elder crane
mostly based off of when I expect WG to be prepared
zenith tundra
that would be a really hard blow for most people
karmic forum
Most people won't be done with PR2 for another 6 months
zenith tundra
even for jp/cn would be bad since pr2 already overstayed it's welcome tbh
idk if they can release almost 0 new content for another 4 months
hm is hardly content tbh
karmic forum
The sooner they release PR3 for JP/CN the better
elder crane
Problem is, this is technically a collab, and WG, well
maybe they'll use it as smokescreen for their fantasy russian cruisers
sterile bluff
I'm pretty sure one person will be more excited about the rerun than anyone
@whole terrace sir, you couldn't be more correct
elder crane
but I'm thinking it'll be after they're done with those
maybe early summer then
elder crane
How long was it between georgia/azuma ST and PR2 release?
sterile bluff
but fkin hell they r adding another SR D:
zenith tundra
i wasn't interested in pr2 at the time so idk anything about pre pr2 release
sterile bluff
that means it's harder to pull mamagi
elder crane
?
every rerun adds a new gold ship
elder crane
question now is if amagi gets cut to 1.8% or keeps 2%
sterile bluff
before amagi
karmic forum
They typically keep the same rates with reruns
zenith tundra
is this a new debuff?
elder crane
yeah, that's one of the ??? parts
karmic forum
Oh nvm they don't
sterile bluff
tbh 1.8 and 2% is not a huge difference. Everytime I pull multiple dupes of the 0.5% ones
pulled chappy and brem
smfh
karmic forum
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't
sterile bluff
wut r we talking about now?
zenith tundra
i don't think amagi will be at 1.8%
elder crane
rate reduction
sterile bluff
doesn't rly matter tho
elder crane
yeah, there'd be too much rioting
zenith tundra
ce only has 2 sr and 1 is bb kaga from shop
elder crane
last run was waaaay too long ago
elder crane
tbf true on that
elder crane
I forgot CE only had two SSR
sterile bluff
i always get the one i want last
elder crane
yeah, no way they reduce then
zenith tundra
isss had 2 build only sr and when i-13 was added kawa went to 1.8%
but for ce is 1 only sr from build
elder crane
well, 1 has the full 2% rate
Baka has the 0.5% for map drop/shop ship of all newer events
safe meteor
Finally we can get Amagi for those that dont have her eh?
sterile bluff
the key word being can not will
fkin new SR gonna screw my shit up
anyways
how many cubes yall got?
karmic forum
Iris rerun had a slight reduction in rate for the original SSRs
zenith tundra
tosa so far also doesn't seem to be anything special unless that debuff does something useful
karmic forum
But that was because there were two of them at 2% in the original run
For CE only Amagi was at 2%
elder crane
yep, which is why rate reduction on her is unlikely
karmic forum
Not a really good metric but it suggest that she will stay at 2%
sterile bluff
anyways... how many cubes yall got? Big bois
karmic forum
Enough
karmic forum
Thats enough
zenith tundra
528/193
karmic forum
Gold isn't a issue unless you want her immediately
sterile bluff
how tf am i gonna save enough to match my 400 cubes?
i want her immediately
i want her NOW
karmic forum
And if you want her immediately, then start hoarding now
sterile bluff
mate
i started hoarding 2 weeks ago
my research stalled like shit cuz of my gold saving
whole terrace
I have 260 cubes and i missed suruga, intrepid and tashkent...
zenith tundra
i'm not saving at all rn
zenith tundra
39k gold
whole terrace
I'm blowing all my coins for amagi on the first day
sterile bluff
same
zenith tundra
i actually want a 2nd amagi. might even oath her
sterile bluff
you didn't oath amagi?
zenith tundra
i mean oathing the 2nd amagi
whole terrace
You think zack didn't oath amagi?
sterile bluff
i need a plan to hoard 200k gold
i need 300k to match my 400 cubes pretty sure
i have about 100k
zenith tundra
u need 600k
zenith tundra
oh yeah
sterile bluff
lol
i sure hope it's light pool
anyways
how long do u guys think we have?
a week?
2?
zenith tundra
2 weeks seems standard these days
zenith tundra
some old events were 3 weeks iirc
static tartan
Zack is talking about event duration and essex about when the event starts i suppose, i would say event satrts next week when the announcement came today
zenith tundra
lol i thought it was event duration my bad
u have 6 days
till 23rd
are u doing 10hr commissions?
rip ur oil
ripe latch
farm equip
sterile bluff
that too
zenith tundra
have fun with that
sterile bluff
alright i deleted my panic attack before a mod sees it and warns me
i guess 7-2 farming is also a good opportunity to lv up my monarch
zenith tundra
u know that mods can see deleted messages....
sterile bluff
ik but like if u deleted it
it counts as if u've never typed it
cuz other non mods can't see it
elder crane
yep, mods aren't going to bother to dig through logs like that unless they have a specific reason to look for it, probably
vague token
there wasnt any unique gear in ce right?
i cant remember
hopefully we get naka retro though
zenith tundra
not a thing that i remember
zenith tundra
drops also suck badly
vague token
yeah CE didnt have any bps to farm
sterile bluff
waiiiiiiiiiit...
zenith tundra
time to farm more belguns in c2
vague token
you mean farm c2 to get better points per oil xD
zenith tundra
it will have just like other events dr and pr prints
sterile bluff
do u think they will add pr prints in rerun?
cuz in the original run they didn't have pr prints
crude mortar
what did I miss
zenith tundra
how bad was en shop compared to the other servers...
sterile bluff
u missed me ranting about how i won't have enough gold for amagi
crude mortar
why
sterile bluff
i only have ~90k gold rn
and i need 300k to match my 400 cubes
and i only have 6 days...
sterile bluff
started kinda saving more than a week ago
shell heron
I shouldn't have done that 8k gascogne project just now. barely 43k
sterile bluff
cuz ik ce was on the horizon
zenith tundra
don't worry i have less then that
vague token
im at 72k gotta spend a bit to avoid wasting coin gen
sterile bluff
need to dev25 her soon
zenith tundra
and w11hm is also killing my oil so i don't even know if i can keep up the 10hr commission
crude mortar
I have whale license
vague token
once we get 11 hm ill be burning oil
crude mortar
I learn something
zenith tundra
i went from like 14k to 10k in 2 days
sterile bluff
ok phew yea we get 30 pr prints
crude mortar
dont click whale license outside event
just stack it in mailbox
and all compensation
stack it in mailbox and use it in event
sterile bluff
30 pr prints means... dev22 monarch 😮
crude mortar
sterile bluff
there's no point stacking it in mailbox
unless
u don't wanna hit softcap for gold
that's the only possible reason i can think of
zenith tundra
i have 61k gold that i don't intend to use in mail
crude mortar
why would I ever want to hit softcap
daily coint regen + 10hourx2 just 15k+ already
zenith tundra
to stack so u can build for everyone day 1
crude mortar
^
sterile bluff
wait zack what' the theoretical best comp? fdg warkai aaaaand... ?
or something else?
crude mortar
sterile bluff
i believe u showed the meta comp considering dev30 fdg and 457s before
elder crane
FdG Warkai Amagi is what Zack prefers
zenith tundra
namagi fdg or amagi ws fdg
zenith tundra
namagi fdg is slower but deals better with vg due to nagato buffs to azuma and her barrage
sterile bluff
but no belli dura despicio 😦
zenith tundra
ws amagi fdg u just blow up backlines
sterile bluff
yep, and that's my style
kill the backline
specifically one person in the backline who shits on my vg
and that person shall remain unnamed
sterile bluff
zenith tundra
that's hardly needed and namaryuu mirror is worse then others matchups
sterile bluff
u attack with namaspite against namaryuu right?
zenith tundra
in en yes
sterile bluff
if i somehow get amagi, wondering how well waryuu amagi will work
with a warhalfkai
sterile bluff
ain't got her sword bro
zenith tundra
not that good tbh. i tried ws amagi hiryuu and it doesn't do that well against namaryuu
sterile bluff
well not against namaryuu specifically
i mean...
even if it is against them
it's not like i have better options
zenith tundra
idk how good ws half kai is
sterile bluff
she's ok
zenith tundra
especially without aim skill it seems like there are better choices
crude mortar
suffer
sterile bluff
zenith tundra
no formi too
sterile bluff
i hate CVs, only CV ill use is hiryuu
sterile bluff
waaaaaaaaaaa???
zenith tundra
wait till dr cv to break meta
sterile bluff
oh god pls no
crude mortar
what is dr cv
sterile bluff
fkin nimitz class LMFAOOOOO
zenith tundra
decisive rarity cv
crude mortar
how about rainbow catapult
sterile bluff
who r they even gonna add if there's gonna be a pr CV?
zenith tundra
still useless for pvp
crude mortar
reduce enemy aa by 50% when deal dmg
zenith tundra
that's a different item not a catapult
sterile bluff
after 457 becomes a thing the only CV that's relevant would be hiryuu
sterile bluff
it doesn't matter how much dmg u deal
zenith tundra
not really
zenith tundra
ws can still only aim sides
crude mortar
enterprise who survive last
zenith tundra
and not every team has an ~~ useless ~~ nagato mid
crude mortar
owarida
zenith tundra
one of the best things about ws amagi fdg is that u can setup backlines to do exactly what u want vs nagato teams where nagato is forced mid
zenith tundra
so people can farm it for months
crude mortar
with 300 reload
sterile bluff
then ill use ws amagi fdg but replace fdg with monarch cuz why tf not
HMS for the win
zenith tundra
300 reload is a wasted stat because diminishing returns on reload are brutal
sterile bluff
don't make the autoloader give rld, make it give a direct boost to load times
skill: memeloader: "cut the reload time of all the weapons on this ship by 80%"
crude mortar
they need to think alot more
zenith tundra
that sounds less fun then a rainbow gun