pvp

[finite valve]

to farm 3-4 all you need is 70 ships and any kind of AA

that is

[ripe latch]

imagine have aa purple

[finite valve]

also took me around 1 month to farm for 8 copies of both foxes

any AA work tbh

[ripe latch]

think get bunny's and farm 3-4

[finite valve]

since at 70 you take almost no dmg from them

farming 3-4 in early game

lol

even for pvp i just use either enty or hood for early

i rather brute force to at least w6 to farm plate

[proper sorrel]

how tf am i still top 200 for fleet power when i took a break for like 5 hours

[ripe latch]

farm planes , after - foxs

[finite valve]

doubt any of the old vet are moving to amagi

unless they are M

[sterile bluff]

i think farming bunnies is a smarter idea

[proper sorrel]

^

[sterile bluff]

foxgrind is just wayyyyyyyyyy too cancer

i got 5 akagis before a kaga

[finite valve]

3-2 is good for sb2c

[sterile bluff]

took me about 1000 runs in total

[finite valve]

so if you want farm there

[ripe latch]

~800 runs for kaga

[finite valve]

@sterile bluff took me 1 full day for 3 akagi and 1 kaga

[sterile bluff]

and after that i got 4 more akagis (was grinding toolbox)

[finite valve]

[sterile bluff]

dude

how

the

actual

fuck

[finite valve]

[sterile bluff]

what a pogger

[finite valve]

well it balance out since i need to farm 1 whole month for 8 copies of each

so

[sterile bluff]

that's still very lucky

extremely lucky

some ppl grind for over 6months for 1 fox

[ripe latch]

6 months
someone grind 13 months

[sterile bluff]

lol

[finite valve]

[sterile bluff]

13months is kinda sad tho

but i'd say 4+ months for both foxes is common

if u don't extreme grind

[elder crane]

That's more like, do too few runs

Do like half a dozen runs a day, and on average it still takes over a month, pretty sure

[finite valve]

unless they was using mlb shit to farm foxes

there is no way for normal ppl to farm them in 6 or 13 months

like i said if you was using 1:1 shit to farm

max is 2 or 3 months of full days farming

[sterile bluff]

half a dozen r u kidding? I did on average 50 runs a day

[shy hazel]

akagi took me 2 days

[sterile bluff]

...

[shy hazel]

for kaga 5 copies

[sterile bluff]

ok boomer

[shy hazel]

and 1 akagi

akaga i mean

[elder crane]

I ran 17 oil mob fleet, ran out of oil, outpaced floor 2 regen, and did it in ~10 days

[finite valve]

yeh i think the average for ppl are just 1 month

[sterile bluff]

ok im talking about getting both foxes

[shy hazel]

u can do it with 11-12 oil

[sterile bluff]

getting the second one is 999999999x harder than the first one

[shy hazel]

if u geared even lower

[elder crane]

It's twice as hard, yes, and I do mean both foxes

[ripe latch]

[finite valve]

6 oil for 1 BB

[sterile bluff]

it's more than twice as hard lol

[finite valve]

the rest you can use any CL

[jagged steppe]

where my nagato

[finite valve]

not to mention you don't need DD for ambush

[shy hazel]

i rmber those days lol

[finite valve]

was a thing back in those day

[sterile bluff]

holy shit niko...

that's the old UI

[shy hazel]

when everyone was cryin bout it then i finish mine asap

[sterile bluff]

...

feelsbadman

took u that long

[shy hazel]

[ripe latch]

but drop really low , 0.5% kaga and akagi

[proper sorrel]

0.75

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

1.5% for both

[finite valve]

0.75 is suppose to be drop for 1 of them

[shy hazel]

ye thats the estimated drop rate

[finite valve]

1.5 for both

[shy hazel]

no lol

[proper sorrel]

it's not estimated it's confirmed

[ripe latch]

just see 0.5%

[elder crane]

Ordering

[shy hazel]

its not additive what

[jagged steppe]

you can farm her anytime if you have alot of oil

[shy hazel]

0.75 is still separate

[elder crane]

Yes, 0.75% for each, 1.5% for either

[shy hazel]

2 means u slash it by half

[proper sorrel]

1.5% to get either

[shy hazel]

0.33 to get one of them

[sterile bluff]

but the second one

[proper sorrel]

WHY

[elder crane]

No it's not

[shy hazel]

because they are sharing the ssr rate of 0.75

[proper sorrel]

it's 0.75% chance for kaga to drop and 0.75% for akagi to drop

[elder crane]

Devs specifically said 0.75% each

[jagged steppe]

this is what you need to farm alot of kaga and akagi

[elder crane]

No they didn't share SSR rate

Devs specifically only told us fox rates

0.75% each

[sterile bluff]

ok i charted my progress over foxmine and i think they first decide if it's SR and then decide which fox, they don't calculate it individually

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

tbh fuck the rate

[shy hazel]

iirc its ssr drop rate

[sterile bluff]

cuz if they did then i got kaga in like 800 runs

which is statistically improbably

[elder crane]

You can't tell the difference lol

[proper sorrel]

これはヤバイですね

[finite valve]

even it the rate was 0.00000000000001%

you would still be farming them regardless

[shy hazel]

no it isnt

[jagged steppe]

I dont believe the rate

[shy hazel]

cos i alrdy finished foxes

[jagged steppe]

the rate is a lie

[shy hazel]

long time ago

[finite valve]

knowing the rate ain't going to change shit

[jagged steppe]

how did I get 3 mineapolis 1 north and no other ssr

[shy hazel]

and its easier to get foxes now

[jagged steppe]

minea 2% north 2% oither ssr 7%

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

when there is submarine map

which has a shit high drop rate

[jagged steppe]

I dont believe rate at all

[shy hazel]

of ssr

[elder crane]

Eri, rateup eats into 7%

So it's 2% 2% and 3% other

[finite valve]

i farm sos and somehow i got fox as extra

[elder crane]

It's not on top of the base 7%

[finite valve]

even tho i already farmed like 8 of them

[elder crane]

It replaces it

[finite valve]

useless shit

[shy hazel]

i got alot of ssrs from sub maps

[elder crane]

Rateup takes the place of the % of the rarity

[shy hazel]

and i dont even do it anymore

[jagged steppe]

[shy hazel]

stupid ass mechanic

[elder crane]

It's still 7% for SSR in total

[shy hazel]

they should just remove the limit in submap

and make it normally farmable

[jagged steppe]

wtf

this game is a lir

lie

[shy hazel]

sos is still the dumbest mechanic in this game

[jagged steppe]

[elder crane]

It doesn't, you just don't read

[ripe latch]

better if on sos mission enemy sub not surface up?

[elder crane]

In any case, that's how rateups work
The given rarity rates remain the same
7% for SSR

In this case, this means 2% NC, 2% wash, 2% minnie, and 1% other

[shell heron]

From how I understand the way rateup works is that it's still 7% chance to land on the SSR table, but the rate is not divided evenly across all SSR ships. I'm assuming it it increases the rate of some while making the rest more rare

[elder crane]

Same result, diff way of thinking about it basically

[shell heron]

so odds of getting a non rateup ship is still as likely

[sterile bluff]

im pretty sure the 7% sr rate influences the rateup

cuz no way it's only 2%

[elder crane]

Anyways, nobody knows the general SSR map drop rate
Guesses are usually 0.75% or 1.5% based off of the only dev confirmed map drop rate of explicitly 0.75% for each of the foxes
They assume SSR drop rate remains the same, either per-ship (0.75% for each SSR) or overall (1.5% for SSR in general)

They actually can't have other influence

If they say 2% in gatcha, it is 2% in gatcha, enforced by JP law

[sterile bluff]

lmao honestly i don't even care XD

as long as i can pull essex

HAHAHAHA

[jagged steppe]

it chinese game

[sterile bluff]

^^^^^^^^

[elder crane]

They run in JP

[sterile bluff]

?????

their hq is in shanghai

[elder crane]

Therefore they are subject to JP law

Yes, but JP version is based in JP

[sterile bluff]

r u playing on jp version?

[elder crane]

And all games officially available in JP are required to follow JP law

Otherwise they can't officially/legally offer the game there

[shell heron]

Almost like the game is a business there and have to follow local regulations

[elder crane]

KR also has similar laws on this

[sterile bluff]

ok but r u playing on jp version

and i have no idea how a law has anything to do with a drop rate in a video game

[elder crane]

Global is available in JP appstore, no?

It's literally legally mandated and checked
Games are a business too

[sterile bluff]

wdym global lmao

[proper sorrel]

EN version.

[shell heron]

are you implying they modified the EN version?

[sterile bluff]

is there a law that says "in Azur lane the drop rate of akagi and kaga have to be 0.75% each" ?

XD

[proper sorrel]

the law is everything that they claim has to be legitimate

[sterile bluff]

welp im not in japan nor am i playing JP version

soooooooo

[elder crane]

It's regulated like gambling is

Global is offered in JP publishers, pretty sure

[sterile bluff]

what is global

wdym global

[proper sorrel]

global release of azur lane

[sterile bluff]

im playing en and i got it on apple app store

[proper sorrel]

EN is global release

[elder crane]

Yes, and the same app is available in official JP publishers, iirc

[sterile bluff]

wait so u r saying i can get en in japan?

[elder crane]

Yes

[sterile bluff]

huh ok

never knew that

well technically u could get cn if u r on cn appstore

[elder crane]

Not officially though in that case

[sterile bluff]

ye

not officially

[proper sorrel]

there's 5 versions of azur lane

[elder crane]

Anyways, JP and KR regulate their official gatcha game industry like they do their gambling

Which includes that any rates claimed have to be true, or they get fined/lose official status

[proper sorrel]

most likely would get their license to publish taken away i guess aka lose official status

[sterile bluff]

im not disbelieving them

ok i have a question ive had for a while

just remembered it rofl

u know sometimes u use the same ship for pvp and pve?

and their pvp and pve gear are different?

is there a way to "save" their pvp gear to the defense fleet so when other ppl attack they have their pvp gear?

[elder crane]

Yep, have to just deal with that one way or another

[proper sorrel]

yes you can save gear

[elder crane]

nope, not as of currently

[sterile bluff]

i mean like

not the gear profile thing

[elder crane]

you can save gear setup, but you have to manually switch

there's no way of having it auto switch

[sterile bluff]

for example i have a ship in pvp defense fleet

[proper sorrel]

they use the same thing

[sterile bluff]

and then i use the same ship for pve

and i switch on the pve gear

does the ship in defense fleet also switch to pve gear?

[elder crane]

yep, changes in PvP fleet too

[sterile bluff]

FUCK!

that's stupid

[proper sorrel]

eh

[sterile bluff]

just think about it

[elder crane]

it would be nice QoL if it autoswitched between different modes

for EX and CM too

but sadly, game doesn't do that

[sterile bluff]

when u pvp u would sometimes use avigas for CVs

but u never use that in pve

[elder crane]

My PvP is all maxed, so can't relate

[sterile bluff]

so when u switch to pve u lose that avigas on ur defense fleet

[shell heron]

It sounds logical to be able to use different loadouts without swapping everytime, but game says no

[sterile bluff]

lmao

[jagged steppe]

dont use pvp ship in pve

[elder crane]

Anyways, I just switch to a diff PvP fleet if I need to use specific ships/equips in PvE

[jagged steppe]

ez

[sterile bluff]

ok so i guess the only solution...

is to raise duplicate ships

[jagged steppe]

for what

[sterile bluff]

[ripe latch]

2entys for pve and pvp

[elder crane]

Can't duplicate your rainbow mags or HPFCR

[sterile bluff]

...

[elder crane]

[sterile bluff]

"the toughest decisions require the strongest wills"

[elder crane]

or beaver badge

[shell heron]

our hopes of 2nd HSFCR got shot down this patch

[elder crane]

which I don't think I've ever used badge in PvE

always stuck on my PvP fleet

[ripe latch]

if u pvp sucks in pve - its

[elder crane]

Juneau

[shell heron]

not the worse thing ever. almost a rudder without the skill

[elder crane]

I actually found a good use for Juneau when farming for Sendai dupes

turned out she was just perfect with Amagi/Phoenix at lv 110

heal kicks in right as I need it, for the last mob node or two

[ripe latch]

|| gems dev roulette - put juneau and farm 13 chapter , every time just heal her with 100 gems , stonks ||

[sterile bluff]

wut

[elder crane]

incidentally I went like 100+ runs of 11-3 with 0 Sendai dupes

[sterile bluff]

how rare is jintsuu?

[elder crane]

basically the time it took to get Jun from ~130 to 200 aff

basically
I had Juneau
sink
100+ times

[ripe latch]

farm sendai on 11-3 only in ambush

[elder crane]

and now she has maxed affection

[ripe latch]

rate up

[elder crane]

ah, I already got her first run

[ripe latch]

get her after 20+ ambushe's

[elder crane]

just wanted dupes for LB

gave up in the end

[ripe latch]

basically
I had Juneau
sink
100+ times

@elder crane

[elder crane]

that's how I got her to love me

[sterile bluff]

[crimson bear]

I'll be interested to see how the PvP meta shapes up in Amagi with all the new accounts and no Namagi fleets.

[sterile bluff]

im doing HMS

as usual

probably will add hiryuu later

[crimson bear]

Fair, probably similar to what I'll end up doing. But I am dreading the long PR grinds AGAIN.

[sterile bluff]

omg bro i didn't realize u r that youtuber right?

[crimson bear]

Yes, I have a YT channel

[sterile bluff]

im the guy that commented about the sara fleet being a joke XD

[crimson bear]

Nice, so we have met before.

[sterile bluff]

LOL

so u joined amagi too?

[crimson bear]

Yep, not sure how active Ill be on the account though.

[elder crane]

It probably ends up like the CN meta pre-Nagato

same set of ships/equips available, I think
only major diff is Bunnies have their retros

not sure if that has a particularly large impact

Maybe that bumps up Hiryuu as flex option in WaSD

[zenith tundra]

was that at level 120?

[proper sorrel]

wouldn't retrofit take a while though

[zenith tundra]

how much longer then 120?

[proper sorrel]

much faster than getting it to 120

[zenith tundra]

without high levels maps i think u underestimate how hard is getting to 120

[ripe latch]

[proper sorrel]

it be like that

[zenith tundra]

is not like new players can just go do 12-4 easily. most likely people that will have to 120 1st ship, it will be done in a 1:1 around w8

and that is not fast

[ionic magnet]

im p sure i maxed plenty of my botes while farming foxes

[sterile bluff]

[proper sorrel]

im almost done getting all my ships to

[ionic magnet]

and as good as wasd is, i would still 100% go for foxes + hood(or any decent bote)
its just more convenient cos of faster matches and noone really walls anything with no namaryuus/namaspite

[jagged steppe]

I misses7

why am I he5e

[proper sorrel]

well good luck to you i guess?

[jagged steppe]

here wtf

[proper sorrel]

akaga takes a while to get

unless rng

[sterile bluff]

that defense fleet

[ionic magnet]

pls it took me 3 hrs to get both of them

[jagged steppe]

I misses 7

[sterile bluff]

3 hrs...

bruh

[jagged steppe]

ROFL?

misses7

rank17

lmfao

[ionic magnet]

after 3 months yes i got both of them in the same day within 3 hrs

[sterile bluff]

i mean...

that's still pretty good

cuz usually the hardest part is the second fox

actually no

not usually

always

second fox is cancer

[ripe latch]

ppl can't get bunnys , fox's its imagine

[zenith tundra]

did u do foxmines at 120 cap?

[jagged steppe]

9 kagas

*8

[sterile bluff]

i have 9 akagis and 1 kaga

[ripe latch]

15 runs 3-4 . nothing

[sterile bluff]

[jagged steppe]

did last night server fucked up again?

cuz I miss 7

[ionic magnet]

[jagged steppe]

how am I here

i was sleeping with 0 ticket

[ionic magnet]

7?

[jagged steppe]

yes

I miss 7

[ionic magnet]

idk nothing wrong with my charges

[jagged steppe]

I miss 1 and 1 and 5

[ripe latch]

think buy 3 dorm slots and run 3-4 2:2

[sterile bluff]

why is research such a bitch

how long does it usually take to d30 azuma?

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

[ripe latch]

6-9

[sterile bluff]

got so many DR faces today ngl

it's like they r taunting me

[proper sorrel]

isn't that a good thing?

[sterile bluff]

yes but like

im not focusing on them for now

i took them anyways tho

but then i got a shitload of izumo faces

[proper sorrel]

yeah...

[sterile bluff]

the izumos won't stop coming

it's haunting me

[ripe latch]

my 3-4 now

[proper sorrel]

do you have izumo?

[jagged steppe]

are you doing pr1 or 2

[sterile bluff]

pr1

lmao

and i don't have izumo nor do i want to

XD

[eager cedar]

what is your azuma dev lvl

[sterile bluff]

r u asking me?

[eager cedar]

yea

[sterile bluff]

non existent

HAHAHAHAHA

don't have enough techpoints

[ripe latch]

but no hard get any sakura ships

[eager cedar]

nice

what is your rank lvl?

[upper sparrow]

imagine smurfing on amagi server just to go back on foxes hell

[ripe latch]

just w8 sub missions

[sterile bluff]

@eager cedar wdym rank lv?

[finite valve]

i think he mean HQ lvl?

[sterile bluff]

commander lv?

[eager cedar]

hq lvl, commader lvl, w/e the fuck its called

[sterile bluff]

on sandy or amagi?

[eager cedar]

sandy

[sterile bluff]

80

me is noob

[eager cedar]

how the fuck do you not have enough tech points for azuma

[sterile bluff]

...

me is noob no booli

[eager cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/not-my-business-cool-sunglasses-deal-withit-makise-gif-11974944

[sterile bluff]

shit gtg brb

[upper sparrow]

im sure there is a different term about noob and just be ignorant in ur early phase

[proper sorrel]

newbie?

[sterile bluff]

nuublet

but im serious tho i am nowhere close to the tech pts required for azuma

yea... i only got 338

[midnight heron]

fking game and its bs rng again srsly

no procs for the entire match yet enemy gets almost 100% procs

[eager cedar]

sounds about right

[meager dawn]

procs in what? rudders?

[sterile bluff]

damn mate, im sorry that ur hiryuu didn't proc

take or nah

i swear to god i want pr1 focused but all the good ones r pr2

@zenith tundra i request for thy guidance

damn this channel is dead

[midnight heron]

barrage procs ofc and it was a 1m30s match with 0 procs like how tf is dat even possible

[meager dawn]

It just works

[fallow wren]

jesus pvp in amagi takes about 4 minutes

[midnight heron]

16x the detail

[keen sparrow]

we get vf 17 on core shop waiting HPFCR on core shop

[meager dawn]

HPFCR will be in the void just like Mikuma and Mogami

[sterile bluff]

bruh i got trolled

got a 4:20 timer on amagi thought it was the E

but it was her little sister

at least i got first comment

[midnight heron]

i tried amagi and got shit rolls

only got washy after 20+ pulls

[simple basalt]

Anyone running 3 ship mob/boss for 12-4 fleet clearing mode, what are you running?

[sterile bluff]

wtf

dude my rng is shittier XD

tried to pull for yuki

got a dupe of the starter i chose

HAHAHAHAHA

[midnight heron]

[sterile bluff]

@simple basalt welcome to pvp channel

[simple basalt]

Oh shit.

[sterile bluff]

LMAO

[midnight heron]

pvp is secretly help channel

[sterile bluff]

^^^^^

tbh

it's like gph but wayyyyyyyyy less toxic

[midnight heron]

dis my 12-4 fleet lul

[sterile bluff]

azuma for mob?

[midnight heron]

ya

[sterile bluff]

o_O

[midnight heron]

u want her to die at boss? lul look at her lvl

[sterile bluff]

bro ya gotta make sacrifices

[midnight heron]

more xp in mob fleet as well

[sterile bluff]

just look at her, she's sad

she wants to be lewded by the boss

[midnight heron]

[sterile bluff]

[eager cedar]

[whole terrace]

I'm getting like 2 or less bonus points a day now, is that normal at this point in the season and is there any way I can get more

It's annoying to see other sandbaggers overtaking me everyday

[ionic magnet]

if your score is high enough its actually perfectly normal to not get any bonus pts at all

the goal then becomes "dont eat any +9"

[whole terrace]

That's good to know. Thanks

[ionic magnet]

yep and this is when doing your matches at last 10 mins becomes p much mandatory

else you'll just risk yourself of eating more +9s or even +8s

[empty grove]

Also leaving your final match to the last 2-3 mins so you get more people ahead of you

[whole terrace]

do you often catch people moving in the last 10 mins?

[shell heron]

Sometimes

[whole terrace]

just seems a bit risky, is all

Especially when i can't run namagi

[shell heron]

Depends on your risk tolerance. 10 minutes is ours because its somewhat safe still

The last 20 min is when stragglers start moving to me

[whole terrace]

My risk tolerance is pretty low

[shell heron]

So 15-20 min sounds pretty safe.

Assume you still have 5 matches. Its 3-4 min per match

You don't have to go as crazy as some of us. I sometimes move at 6 minutes with 4 matches

[whole terrace]

Yeah 3 mins average per match sounds right

[jagged steppe]

1.3k 1.5k one shotting plane

[ripe latch]

enty on hms fleet

[midnight heron]

its a spy

[sour oasis]

Wait. It's the second half of week 2. I'm guessing Dave is around rank 2000 to still be getting +2 bonus points (+12) from players in their list jumping 1000+ ranks?

[zenith tundra]

1K ranks is not usually enough for a +2

[whole terrace]

I meant 2 bonus points a day out of 15 attacks

[zenith tundra]

+2 per day is like bad luck with top 10 score

[whole terrace]

it's not looking like I'll be luckier today either

[midnight heron]

nani

[sterile bluff]

wut

[midnight heron]

power

ah yes another match where the game expects me to swallow the nonsense rng

enemy warspite takes no dmg yet has 100% hit rate

[sterile bluff]

i think they have 6 oxys lol

[midnight heron]

more like 3 rainbow quints

[sterile bluff]

[shell heron]

there's a good reason why we use SG+rudder on warspite

[sterile bluff]

eva?

and hit?

[midnight heron]

we all know dat bruh

but sometimes a particular person just has godlike eva + hit rate

even when u use the same gear

its bs

[elder crane]

That's RNG for you

winning is so expected that you don't remember when you just lolshit on them

when they luck enough to edge out you though, it's

[sterile bluff]

imagine winning

[shell heron]

players are getting smart. more torp vg def now

I can't give Azuma exp if she gets blown up

[sterile bluff]

is azuma good at tanking torps and airstrikes?

[blazing scroll]

Just make her a com slave

[midnight heron]

mine gets blown up all the time

anyway im more concerned about these guys consistently getting gud rng whenever i fight them

[sterile bluff]

allow me to introduce my epic move called restart

[midnight heron]

yea ik but the point is "consistent"

how tf are they always getting more procs than me

99% of the time whenever i meet those guys i have to reset just cuz they always get net positive procs

[vague token]

azuma with 120 and dev 25 can handle torps fine

by having so much hp you just shrug it off

and then shoot them

[shell heron]

yes, but 116 dev20 is a different story

[vague token]

well yeah

xD

my 120 is doing fine in mid

dev 19

[elder crane]

Noshiro MVP for that

also Hiryuu helps cause lolHiryuu

[shell heron]

it was jintsuu/noshiro/ayanami

and my vg decide to hug theirs

[elder crane]

I run Noshiro/Azuma/Ibuki right now
Jun/Noshiro/Ykkz is the bane of my existence, I swear

[sterile bluff]

at which dev did u guys start using azuma?

[elder crane]

so far only team that has made me reset twice

[vague token]

dev 16 lul

gotta get dat oil free exp

[elder crane]

dev 19 lv118

[vague token]

but she was like 110

jun/noshiro/ykkz is strong

[sterile bluff]

and she was effective?

[vague token]

no, had to carry her

[elder crane]

I ran her with Jun/Azuma/Noshiro and she was fine

[vague token]

for me she can sometimes break 10k now at 120 dev 19

just sometimes

[elder crane]

tf is wrong with your Azuma

[vague token]

noshiro is better

xD

[shell heron]

that's prob what I needed

I was running juneau/azuma/yukikaze

[vague token]

you need an extra +8 speed but azuma and noshiro have higher speed than the rest of their peers

so it isnt a huge loss

[elder crane]

Yeah, Azuma+Noshiro averages out to standard CL speed basically, so it's fineish

Yum

[sterile bluff]

twerpmeme op

[elder crane]

For once, a vanguard that doesn't just slacc on damage

[sterile bluff]

i like ur IJNmasterrace

[vague token]

oh i see, you have no warspite who takes all the damage up xD

damage gets shared

[elder crane]

No slaccing allowed

That one was against a properish Namayuu with stall vanguard

Dammit Ibuki
I'm trying to show off Azuma
Stop hitting them so hard

[vague token]

dps communism i see

[elder crane]

This one was just kinda embarassing for everyone not the usual characters

I think it was his Jun getting sniped early

Sumire Uesaka this time

Oh hey
I found Famine
let's see what happens vs this one

[shell heron]

oooh

he got a dev28 azuma

[midnight heron]

[sterile bluff]

bruh

dev28?

that's insane

[vague token]

famine is the ultimate AL player, dont underestimate his power

to flex

[shell heron]

those 1hr and 2hr cube projects are nice if you can spam them

[elder crane]

dw
he'll be late to the 457 party in return

Also, lost match 1

match 2 looking good though

blew up his juneau early

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

Yeah, Juneau is very not safe vs my team in this setup

[shell heron]

not sure how often you see a torp vg on offense

but I won't lead juneau on def comp

[eager cedar]

I use ibuki, noshiro, jintsuu sometimes cause why not

🏃‍♂️

[elder crane]

For good reason
3 and 2 so far

he outtrades me hard if I don't kill Jun early

[shell heron]

or bother with that. I'll prob run noshiro/buki/azuma when she hits 120

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

4 and 2
He's running parallels though, which is a nice advantage for me

[shell heron]

that extra 945 hp from dev25 is nice if she survives the first torp wave

[elder crane]

4 and 3
looks like 4 and 4 soon

Yeah, torps on offense are as shit as always

oh damn
that last one was close
somehow he whiffed killing my like 1% HP Azuma with Final Counter

6 and 4 now, as expected, if torps hits, ez gaem, if they don't,

[shell heron]

sounds like normal torp offense things

[elder crane]

9/15 wins

[elder crane]

okay, of the 13 that I recorded, 8 wins 5 losses
clapped Juneau in < 15 s 6 times, won 5/6 of those times
and it turns out it's as much Azuma and Amagi blowing her up as it was Ibuki, interesting
which means of the 7 times I didn't blow her up, 3 wins 4 losses

[empty owl]

So now that I finally have her is this a good setup

[shell heron]

I forgot what I ran

yea close, prefer quad torps to quints

and my aux is torp bulge or boiler/rudder

although the list prefers what you have for aux

I wonder why the gear guide doesn't have rudder as an option. Even as an suboptimal choice

[ionic magnet]

prolly just not updated

as rudder is always an option for non DD vanguards

[elder crane]

https://youtu.be/LlidmccyAtM
For the vid

Also, 113 > bofors in PvP

Nep has good AA, but if somehow she's very bad AA in your team for her AA slot, IJN bofors is a possible consideration

[karmic forum]

So you're using all 113 in PvP?

On vang

[elder crane]

IJN Bofors on yukikaze if there's two other 113, and Staag on CAs

otherwise, yep, 113

[sour oasis]

Dang it, I'm only a few points from topping Kirie.
Whelp, hit Navy admiral. Time to be 🍖
if you need me to move.

[shell heron]

I'm already going to be 🍖 myself after I touch AotN

[abstract cypress]

even new uss ship aint pvp tier

almost a year of boring meta

[frail orbit]

I said it b4hand

CN centric

In CN, USS being meta for a year

Thats why

[sterile bluff]

USS in pvp?

[frail orbit]

@sterile bluff WASDNC/WASDE used to be one in CN

For a year

[sterile bluff]

nani???

[frail orbit]

U guys might havent know it

But I have a talk with a CN dalao

And she said such

She experienced it b4hand

[sterile bluff]

but there r stuff that counter wasd fleets

[frail orbit]

And yeah she's a woman

[sterile bluff]

did they not have other ships back then?

[frail orbit]

@sterile bluff yeah Hakaga

But thing is

WASDNC really counters Akaga planes

[sterile bluff]

when was this even?

[frail orbit]

Around 2017

[sterile bluff]

ohhhhhh

nvm then

[frail orbit]

FW was the 1st event on CN mind u

[sterile bluff]

i thought u meant the recent yr

[frail orbit]

If u talk about recent year

2018 and all

Namaryuu has been there

[elder crane]

They basically had the meta we had pre-Amagi, pre-Nagato

which was like 1.5 years on CN

the difference being that since HMS eventually got PR Monarch/Neptune, that was also a competing fleet, especially for everyone who missed FW

[frail orbit]

Talk about perception bias in EN

[elder crane]

While Nakaga took JP by storm, since CN had WaSD, Nakaga never ended up taking over the ladder quite the same way it did in JP (or Amkaga in EN)

[frail orbit]

Amakaga was never a thing in CN either

[elder crane]

Yes, cause Amagi came out after Nagato

[frail orbit]

The thing with Nakaga is

[elder crane]

the only reason why that was a thing in EN was that we got Amagi first

[frail orbit]

^

JP got Nagatoot early so

[elder crane]

I was just comparing it to something EN players would have a reference for

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

during that meta, everyone and their mother ran Amkaga
which is what happened in JP with Nakaga

but since CN had WaSD, and longer time to develop up PR Monarch/Nep. Nakaga never took over CN quite the same way

[frail orbit]

Then Namaryu takes over the whole shit.

Not even Namahou being there keks

[elder crane]

For a short moment, it was actually Nagato-Bunny retros vs NamaBaka, before someone came up with Namaryuu

[frail orbit]

Ehh that surprising smhw
Namabaka seriously?

[elder crane]

though I think that moved too fast for those two teams to be come common

Yeah, it's actually pretty solid

[frail orbit]

As in for WASD replacement?

Since Bakaga being Washy sidegrade smhw

[elder crane]

For best team
that and Nagato-Bunnis retro

[frail orbit]

And well

Feels like deja vu all over again

[elder crane]

It was Nagato-Amagi-Baka

[frail orbit]

Yeah I know

I meant

For WASD replacement?

[elder crane]

It's a lot better than WaSD

[frail orbit]

AA tho

[elder crane]

WaSD does like no damage in comparison lol

[frail orbit]

Blame Washy for her being a derp on barrage

[elder crane]

that was basically the "just kill them first lol" team

Blame SoDak for just not dying

that's all she really does on that team

[frail orbit]

Blame NC for just AA bote

NC 1st AR in PVP

[elder crane]

Anyways, I completely missed that possibility, I knew Nagato-Amagi would be good, but I didn't think a good third option existed
What I thought would be the new team was WaSDA
Which actually was meta for a short moment in EN

[frail orbit]

And so typical of USS ships post WNT smhw
Fooken timed barrage keks

Imagine

Washy and Bama being oh so MUH 20S PLS

And then boom

Got killed before any barrage got fired

[elder crane]

That's the issue with USN ships in general
they have no frontloaded damage
which is why despite how great they are in PvE, they are 🚮 in PvP for the most part at this point

[frail orbit]

Even Georgia is only decent

[sterile bluff]

in pvp?

[elder crane]

Again
0 frontload

[sterile bluff]

thought she's bad

well not bad but like...

ehhh

[frail orbit]

If only her snipe does something like Wakai did

[sterile bluff]

[elder crane]

she's actually pretty good, but pretty good doesn't cut it these days

[frail orbit]

But instead she goes Amagi with Massa thingy

[elder crane]

well
if her snipe did what warkai does
that would be awful in PvE

maybe if it got double damage on first proc or something

[frail orbit]

So typical of USS

Just gib non timed BBarrager 4head for these USS smhw

But devs keep like
NO U WONT

And instead getting lotsa carrier
Too much carrier, IRL it fits tho but hey, we still got Indiana for non Iowa class, right?

Meanwhile Indiana at AL (home)
Sucks ass, and sucks her oneechan ass

What with her oneechan being oh so INDY CHAAANNNN KAWAIIII topkeks

[sterile bluff]

goergia's barrage doesn't hit consistently from what i've seen

[eager cedar]

what dev is your georgia?

[sterile bluff]

don't have her, just saying what i've seen from zack's vids

his georgia is d30 i would assume

[eager cedar]

[elder crane]

yeah, georgia can aim at vanguard with barrage, which is just,

and the pellets are fired at fixed position around vanguard distance
which is more

and the barrage doesn't have any accel, and is also RNG proc
which is more

[frail orbit]

Literally

Even this guy said this word smhw
Keep in mind he's only doing em bkoz of taking request from random peeps

RNG proc is fine tho

But the aiming part is just

[sterile bluff]

you can't sync georgia with those carriers unless u mk6 her which defeats the whole purpose of utilizing her barrage to the max

[frail orbit]

^

This is his Georgia btw

As u said
Mk6 or timing is off

Especially since Formie is a lumbering ass with all these heavy armor deck

[sterile bluff]

mk6 georgia is just

[frail orbit]

Which is why she's just derp tbh

Even the enemy aint that much of a threat keks

[elder crane]

also also
it's a fricken AP barrage

it's going to do jack shit to vanguard that isn't CA/CB

BBAP on light armor mods

add that the usual PR issues with hitrate, and well

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

tbh the worse thing imo about georgia barrage is random aim. the dmg is good and even with half wasted u just have no control over it

[frail orbit]

That, I already said that b4hand

Amagi aiming

With Massa thingy

Imagine

At least she aint so typical of USS BBs MUH TIMED BARRAGE

But her aiming is just

🧠

[zenith tundra]

at least a portion of amagi barrage always goes straight. there is no telling who georgia hits on backlines

[frail orbit]

That was helped by Amagi barrage pattern

With Georgia tho

It's just like

Utter

🧠

[sterile bluff]

holy shit take a look at trophyroom

XD

a guy got 6DR prints and a 457

[shell heron]

looks like a high roll off a 8k 8hr project

I had a similar project this week but no 457
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/657415262634770462/696949313590263898/Screenshot_20200404-121427_Azur_Lane.jpg?width=828&height=403

[forest lake]

Haven't seen a 457 in ages

Well tbf I also haven't done a single research in ages

[ionic magnet]

so i tested wfc vs famine earlier
12-3 with 2x cuda
12-3 with 1x cuda 1x ryuusei
11-4 with 2x ryuusei
i was expecting more from azuma tbh but looks like its not any better than torp memes in def
now to wait for fdg

[sterile bluff]

wtf

6 rainbows

SIX RAINBOWS!

ok i swear to fucking god monarch bps hate me

[empty grove]

Was my azuma mid or lead when you tested?

[ionic magnet]

jun lead azuma mid then ykkz at the back

[empty grove]

I'll put her on lead

[sterile bluff]

jun lead?

[empty grove]

Might need to take bulge off of her for mid

[ionic magnet]

hmm sure ill test again when i get you in list

[empty grove]

I don't like leading azuma on off tbh

[ionic magnet]

jun lead is perfect in offense yea

[vague token]

leading azuma makes juneau die too late for my backline usually

even with double boiler

[sour oasis]

Why can't I be above Donald Turnip

[marsh bane]

Which one should I take tempted to go with the rigging because purple DR always seems to give me only 1 anyways

[ionic magnet]

eh just take azuma

[vague token]

guaranteed azuma bp

[empty grove]

I'd go with azuma

[marsh bane]

fair, I don't think I'll finish either until 2021 anyways with my drop luck

[empty grove]

Sasuga

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

see purple azuma isnt as bad as you think

[vague token]

i am asking for you to share

[midnight heron]

yea fk dis shit man im now 100% sure the game scripts proc rng depending on the player u fight

[marsh bane]

[jagged steppe]

5 mindea 1 noth 0 washington 170 cube left should I stop?

*minnea

last time 6 graf zep 0 u47

my spidersense is tiggling

[marsh bane]

I'd just stick to a few dailies tbh

Save the cubes

Rate-up is a lie anyways

[upper sparrow]

CE rerun

[zenith tundra]

rates up are a lie. u caanot get 11 of 1 ship and 0 of another at the same rate. the chances are way too low to even be plausible

[forest lake]

Itadaki

[midnight heron]

its rate up but for kent

[elder crane]

@zenith tundra
with three units at same rate, it's roughly 0.28% to pull one unit 11 times and one unit 0 times

not that unlikely

[zenith tundra]

how about with 2 at the same rate like last event

[elder crane]

that's about 0.1%

much easier calculation

[zenith tundra]

1 every 1000. that's bullshit

[elder crane]

based off of AL playerbase, there will be at least a few hundred people who end up there

you're just one of them

1 in 1024 to be exact

[zenith tundra]

i've never heard of anyone else getting more then 7-8 of 1 ship at the same rate being it drop or build

[elder crane]

idk
I've heard of people dumping 2k cubes to get a 1.8% ship
which means that they on average would've gotten 18 of the other 1.8% ship

[zenith tundra]

idk about 2k cubes without any proof...

[elder crane]

That was Essex hunting, in CN
Some whales went full ham

and proceeded to splat

[zenith tundra]

that doesn't really change that i don't believe one bit in rate up and that the system is not much more complex then just that

[elder crane]

in any case, it's not actually that unlikely to happen
most people probably just give up before they reach that point, even if they would've reached that point

ehh
is this on JP?

[zenith tundra]

en

[elder crane]

EN then it's arrrguable if they did shenanigans
but JP and KR have very strict laws on gatcha
they're treated somewhat like casinos, where if they advertise anything, it has to be true (or they get fined/license stripped)

for EN, it depends how tinfoil hat you want to be
(on whether they bothered to modify the roll rates from JP)

[ripe latch]

cn corp on en server

[elder crane]

anyways, I think why you rarely hear about it, is that most people just give up once they roll like at most 300 times, which would only on average give you ~5 of the ship you didn't get

[ripe latch]

|| i'm tested on bism event , what if u f2p player and donator . first - 50 builds , 1 ssr , after donate for 10 coubs - 3 builds have ssr . its not luck ||

[zenith tundra]

1/1k is highly improbable to ever happen and cn hunting for essex is not in the 2 country that u mentioned have strict laws on gachas

[sterile bluff]

waaaaaat?

je ne comprend pas

[elder crane]

1/1k is super common if you think about how many players there are

That's much higher than the chance of having the corona in the US

And there is a lot of corona in the US

[coral wren]

Are those fallen wing ships going to be in the perma pool or they're limited?

having real shit luck with Minneapolis

[midnight heron]

shud be perma but no rate up after 1st week (which is rn)

[ripe latch]

https://tenor.com/N23D.gif

4 torps on sendai debuff - rip azuma

[coral wren]

stupid rate up keeps giving me Washington

5 star azuma?

What dev lvl is that

[ripe latch]

20-25+

[crisp skiff]

Is there a way to counter Nagato or this fox cancer 2.0?

Kept getting stomped.

Also I don't have Nagato

[ripe latch]

its meme counter , best counter - mirror fleet

[crisp skiff]

and got defeated today again

Might never touch Exercise ever again

[whole terrace]

I relate to this strongly

[sterile bluff]

do u have amagi and/or warkai? @crisp skiff

[crisp skiff]

no I don't

I have none of those ships, I missed their event

[sterile bluff]

do u have monarch?

tbh u can just show ur dock here

[crisp skiff]

this is the fleet I have using they pretty much got destroyed by fox cancer 2.0

[sterile bluff]

ehh

understandable

show ur dock or tell us what ships u have

[ripe latch]

wow fleet when mikasa can not be usless

[crisp skiff]

this is all the good ships I have

[sterile bluff]

raise

juneau

ASAP

[crisp skiff]

I'm trying to

[sterile bluff]

good

wait u do have warkai

[ripe latch]

fdg or mikasa / wskai

if fully ijn and not have nagato - only mikasa can help

fdg just other choice

and u have ws kai

u can grow up lvl and put

~115lvl+

[sterile bluff]

he doesn't have namagi so... if i were u i'd do HMS snipe to kill their backline since u said it's the enemy namagi that's giving u trouble. QE ws hood

i recommend HMS snipe to everyone

honestly just check the tierlist

in the pins

[ripe latch]

ijn vanguard , replace ibuki to juneau

and put noshiro to left

[sterile bluff]

yuki's not main tank? o_O

[ripe latch]

not , yuki must survive

best hiryuu counter

[sterile bluff]

oof i put her in main tank cuz she survives regardless

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

bruh why r the images not loading in the tierlist

[crisp skiff]

I've used Yuki and she dies so quick

Just having bad rng luck

[ripe latch]

show her equip

[crisp skiff]

is there an equipment I need to replace?

[sterile bluff]

u got quad torps?

[ripe latch]

boiler + toolbox

[sterile bluff]

the homing ones

T3

[ripe latch]

rainbow usless on her

[sterile bluff]

wait why use that AA

[karmic forum]

Boiler + fire extinguisher

Replace AA gun with bofors

[crisp skiff]

idk I don't have many good AA guns

[karmic forum]

Do you have a gold AA gun?

[ripe latch]

and low lvl...

yuki can tank after ~115-116lvl

[karmic forum]

Quad magtorps instead of quints

[crisp skiff]

Acutally only gold 40mm Bofors guns

[karmic forum]

Use that, its BiS anyways

[sterile bluff]

just use any gold AA lol

if no gold AA use purple quad bofors T2

[ripe latch]

toolbox its variable , but on low lvl must help

[sterile bluff]

that looks good if u don't have quad homing twerps

[crisp skiff]

What about Juneau's AA skill is that still viable?

[sterile bluff]

did u not lv it or smth?

[karmic forum]

Her AA skill isn't as important as her heal

[sterile bluff]

but u should still lv it

[ripe latch]

on pvp planes have quad hp so not worth

[sterile bluff]

but u take decreased dmg tho D:

[crisp skiff]

I have plenty of T3 def skill books

[sterile bluff]

i hate CVs

[ripe latch]

@sterile bluff put 3 bb comps and cv hate u

[crisp skiff]

Should be enough to make Juneau's heal skill to 10

[ripe latch]

yeap

[sterile bluff]

i always use triple BB comps

[ripe latch]

if u so hate cv comps - just put bel

[sterile bluff]

but then owari da exists and i don't have spitesword so my vg is just like

i use bel but her smoke doesn't proc when the CV launches

considering they aren't foxes

wait nvm im not using a triple BB comp

[crisp skiff]

And they always target my enterprise when I do exercises

[sterile bluff]

hiryuu too op

i hate enty

sry

i always target her

if no hiryuu

[crisp skiff]

I'll might replace her

[ripe latch]

not found any reason to use hiryuu on attack now

[crisp skiff]

I had enough of her not procing

[sterile bluff]

[karmic forum]

Enty procs lucky E
Hiryuu procs final counter in response
Enty: surprised pikachu face

[sterile bluff]

lemme introduce u to my epic move called restart

i have it at skill level 10

"once per battle, allows shikicunt to press the button on the top right to restart a match, effect does not stack"

[ripe latch]

bb comp can easy to proc final counter , if u have oath fleet and war kai - so easy. If not ws kai - hms fleet

[crisp skiff]

when you're not quick enough or being too greedy and get Annihilated.

[sterile bluff]

lemme introduce u to my other epic skill called turning off wifi

[crisp skiff]

[ripe latch]

someone ppl put on hiryuu kai gold plate and so fun to kill her

[sterile bluff]

"once per battle, allows shikicunt to cut off cellular internet connection therefore prevents unpredicted losses"

that's my second skill right there

zack also has that skill

bruh hiryuu still best tank tho

[ripe latch]

if u have bad internet connection - hiryuu your choice

[sterile bluff]

keeps warkai and his hms poggies distracted while ur hms poggies finish the job

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

HER

i meant her

ws is a her

...

i keep forgetting

[ripe latch]

ws hate bombs

[crisp skiff]