pvp

[sterile bluff]

at least u didn't miss the other events i missed

[zenith tundra]

had to wait from august to april to get my nagato

[sterile bluff]

i mean ill probably have to wait from january till january to get my spitesword

🤣

shit that actually makes me sad...

[zenith tundra]

it might be around summer at worse autumn for ws event

[sterile bluff]

how r u so sure

it happened in winter

and big events take at least a yr

most likely longer

[zenith tundra]

the 1st rerun on other servers wasn't a full year

[sterile bluff]

monarch better

"other server"

ya see en is kinda the abandoned server

no one rly cares about en

we never get stuff like the other servers

[jagged steppe]

im new player i got 3 pr already

kappa

[sterile bluff]

wow

nice

[jagged steppe]

getting 4th today

[sterile bluff]

u have good taste

[zenith tundra]

it's an easy event that u do nothing in. they can add it at any time

[sterile bluff]

u got all the good ones hehe

[zenith tundra]

tbh i wouldn't have chose any of those for starting

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

wdym

[zenith tundra]

i don't like any of those pr

[sterile bluff]

WHAT!

i chose monarch and she's awesome

[ionic magnet]

lets not talk about nagato tyvm

[jagged steppe]

^

[zenith tundra]

maybe a bit seattle because she is actually interesting

[sterile bluff]

anyways

even if we do get an event

there is no guarantee that ill get the ship

cuz im low af on cubes

i'd most likely have to whale

[zenith tundra]

i'm 400+ cubes in in current event and no reno... i had 500 when i started and now closing to 100

[sterile bluff]

wtaf...

i have like 350 and got everyone in ~80-100

including brem

pulled her twice wtf

[ionic magnet]

rip

[sterile bluff]

and dropped her once

i don't even like her

[jagged steppe]

I got all x2 with 60 cube

[sterile bluff]

nor any event ship cuz they all suck XD

[zenith tundra]

i got brem too just not reno

[sterile bluff]

rip

i got a couple wish i could trade u for an essex HA

[ionic magnet]

took me 200 cubes also

[sterile bluff]

intrepid came last as usual, the waifus always come last

[zenith tundra]

i only wasted 140 in jp and reno was last ship there too

[sterile bluff]

idec lmao all these ships aren't meta therefore they r bad XD

how many cubes u got now zack?

[zenith tundra]

131 en. 415 jp

[sterile bluff]

huh

i wanna have at least 1k for essex event, need to make sure i get her

[zenith tundra]

rip stella 100% collection

[ionic magnet]

plenty of farmable botes for pvp anyways

come join hms masterrace

[sterile bluff]

i am

true hms of culture right here

[ionic magnet]

owo

[sterile bluff]

hms best faction UwU

got all the thicc waifus

but like

a lot of hms ships aren't farmable

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

i can only think of 1 good hms ship that's available any time

well 2 if u count QE

[jagged steppe]

hms ship is farmable

[sterile bluff]

most good hms ships r locked

[jagged steppe]

formidabble is eventship,centaur is a myth

[sterile bluff]

exactly

i consider centaur event cuz it's not practical to pull her without wishing well

[zenith tundra]

who even knows if there will be more wishing wells

[sterile bluff]

shit...

[zenith tundra]

last one was forever ago

[sterile bluff]

there BETTER be

[jagged steppe]

centaur in normal construction?

[sterile bluff]

wait last one wasn't that long ago...

[sterile bluff]

last one was only half a year ago

[zenith tundra]

half an year is a long time

[jagged steppe]

I start playing this game

on the last 2 day of wishing well

[sterile bluff]

i mean...

[ionic magnet]

qe ws monarch

there you go

[jagged steppe]

and I clink enterprise

click

and didn't get any shit

[sterile bluff]

oh no u chose the wrong ship XD

shoulda picked centaur

[jagged steppe]

how do you know

if you play on the first day of ur life

will you actually click centaur

[sterile bluff]

i would know

because

[ionic magnet]

lol

[sterile bluff]

like

u know

[jagged steppe]

I dont

[zenith tundra]

could u even chose centaur last wishing well in en?

[sterile bluff]

ill know because god will speak to me

[jagged steppe]

yes

[sterile bluff]

u can choose any ship

[jagged steppe]

its choosable

[sterile bluff]

in any cons right?

even subs

[zenith tundra]

no

they add a time frame after which new added ships don't appear

[sterile bluff]

...

ok afaik centaur is choosable cuz i seen someone do it on youtube

so

[zenith tundra]

like they add today a ship and wishing well says before 1st april. u don't get to choose that ship added today

[sterile bluff]

yea ik

but u can choose centaur

which is all that matters

XD

but im pretty sure we'll get more wishing wells...

i'm pretty sure

gotta convince myself more...

come on...

[zenith tundra]

if they start retiring more event maybe

[jagged steppe]

what do I do next

[sterile bluff]

nah im pretty sure wishing well will come sooner or later

cuz they didn't say anything about cancelling it

and if they cancel it and keep adding ships to special pool

[jagged steppe]

I dont have nagato and I dont use ijn ship

[sterile bluff]

it'll be impossible to pool them

[forest lake]

What do you do next? Get BPs and slow down

[sterile bluff]

u should always be working on PRs...

there's no harm working on them, u can just passive grind

[jagged steppe]

im sure my next pr is neptune

cu zI dont hae nagato

and I dont have bismarck

[ionic magnet]

best girl gascan then azuma fdg

[zenith tundra]

they also newer said wishing well will rerun. i wouldn't put too much hope in it

[sterile bluff]

nahhhhhhhh

pretty sure it'll come

cuz it makes no sense if it doesn't come back

and they keep adding shit to pool

[jagged steppe]

I need nagato rerun so I can do ibuki

!

[zenith tundra]

all u need for ibuki is noshiro

[jagged steppe]

still need nagato for accuracy?

[sterile bluff]

u should do ibuki tbh

[zenith tundra]

aurora is a thing if u want to one shot stuff

[sterile bluff]

u have lots of bp and she's best for pvp out of all of them

unless

u wanna do the rainbows

u gotta man up someday and start fdg

[jagged steppe]

I think i'll do neptune cuz I have belfast lv110 and dido lv 109

lvling them to 120

or ijn cruiser

I have takao105 noshiro 110

nvm i'll just do ibuki

[zenith tundra]

full hms vg as with any other full 1 nation vg is a meme

[sterile bluff]

but full hms main tho

👌

[zenith tundra]

that's actually good dido dmg

[sterile bluff]

spitesword...

i need spitesword D:

how hard does ur barrage hit again?

mine is doing like 1.3k per shot...

against ships with higher lv

like wtf

it's sl10 already

and she has 417 + 175 fp

and she's done pretty much all the nodes before modernization

[zenith tundra]

who cares about barrage when 457 hits 2.5k+ per shell

[sterile bluff]

i care about her barrage...

because it's epic

srsly tho how tf is 2 nodes going to make her barrage go from 1.3k per shell to over 6k

[zenith tundra]

tbh ws barrage is the most boring and stupid skill in the game

[sterile bluff]

idc

it shits on enty

that's all that matters

[zenith tundra]

nothing else has a 130% dmg boost

[sterile bluff]

imagine the boost applied to every barrage

will she shit on fdg?

[zenith tundra]

literally the most broken pvp ship with 457

[sterile bluff]

ws or fdg?

[zenith tundra]

ws

[sterile bluff]

lol

[zenith tundra]

u only need 2 filler ships to tank for her and do some dmg and u just win

[sterile bluff]

lol

but do u honestly think that by doing 2 nodes her barrage will go from 1.3k per shell to over 6k?

ive been doing calculations the entire day

i just dont see how that's possible

all she's missing is modernization and royal navy legend

[zenith tundra]

base dmg increases from 154 to 184. she gets a 130% bonus dmg and a 15% bonus fp skill

[sterile bluff]

yea ik but still...

ok i mean

according to calculations after kai she does lots of dmg

but

according to other calculations rn she should be doing like 2k per shell but against a lv120 enty she did 1.3k per shell and she's lv115

like wtaf

even against equal lved opponents she can't break 2k

[zenith tundra]

are u doing the math right?

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure

ok hold on lemme show u

[zenith tundra]

just tell me her fp with equip

[sterile bluff]

she has 418 + 175 fp at the moment

so that is
338.8 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(418+175)+100)/100 * 0.5 = 1897.41552

wait nvm

fuck it's not 2k

LOL

that times 0.8 times 0.9 cuz of lv = 1366

which was what i got

ok yea

[zenith tundra]

why are u calculating using both shells

[sterile bluff]

it's one shell

i did *0.5 at the end

[zenith tundra]

u need the x0.8 pvp dmg modifier

[sterile bluff]

yea did that

"that times 0.8 times 0.9 cuz of lv = 1366"

which was exactly what i got

well 1367 to be exact

[zenith tundra]

1.3k is exactly what u hit also

why are u complaining

[sterile bluff]

no i just realized i did my calculations wrong

and it's supposed to be 1367

D:

ok so without lv disadvantage it should be 1518

ill test it out rn

hold on do u get a dmg bonus if they r lower lv than u?

[zenith tundra]

2% dmg bonus per level difference

[sterile bluff]

ohhhh

ok hold on recalculating...

[jagged steppe]

triple 457 hms bb!

[zenith tundra]

shooting at 23s mark and missing shells because triple suck at hitting stationary targets

btw non boosted ws barrage hit for 1.8k on heavy. what a joke 1st boost is

[jagged steppe]

qe boost?

[zenith tundra]

nah ws retro 1st barrage boost

[sterile bluff]

ok... the numbers matched

ok i see

so before i didn't multiply by 0.8 cuz of the dmg reduction

what's the dmg penalty if u r lower leveled again?

is it always just 10% dmg reduction?

or does it scale by lv difference

[zenith tundra]

same just negative

[sterile bluff]

so always 10% reduction?

oh nvm

wait u mean the same scaling

but negative

[zenith tundra]

-2% dmg per level under opponent

[sterile bluff]

ohhhh i see

okok

tbh barrage dmg calculation is fun XD

especially ws's barrage

wait a minute

if im doing the calculations correct then even a 446 + 215 fp ws can only hit 5142 per shell on first barrage considering no lv difference

🤔

against medium armor

0.5 * 404.8 * 1.3 * 1.5 * (0.8(1.15)(446+215)+100)/100 * 2.3 * 0.8 = 5142

D:

how tf do ppl get those 7k+ hits?

[ionic magnet]

yea close enough

those 6k/7k are with lvl advantages

[sterile bluff]

hmm ok

fuck...

so 5142 eh?

is that enough to 1 shot an enty?

[ionic magnet]

nope

[sterile bluff]

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

damn it all!!!!!!!!

[ionic magnet]

well it still gets a good chunk of her

[sterile bluff]

why???? Come on warspite! You were supposed to be the hero! The one to end my misery with god damn CVs

so like

how close is it to 1 shotting her?

[ionic magnet]

assuming you only hit her once

thats around 1/3 of her hp

[sterile bluff]

so if both shells land she only got 1/3 hp left

[ionic magnet]

but ofc theres still the shellings so yea

yea p much

[sterile bluff]

hmm 1/3 hp left 🤔

welp monarch can probably finish her off

LOL

or some other HMS ship with a fast gun

[vague token]

if you have 457 im pretty sure she can solo any 6500 hp cv with medium

if they dont have fast planes and bacon

before even 1 take off

[sterile bluff]

what about triple 410?

[vague token]

but who knows no 457 for another 2 months lul

triple 410 isnt fast enough

[sterile bluff]

fuck

[ionic magnet]

non existent gun

[sterile bluff]

at least i got other HMS ship with fast gun

[vague token]

if you fcr you'll hit rudder sometimes

and if you dont then they get their launch

[ionic magnet]

havent got any bp for a week lol

[vague token]

been doing freesearch cause builds

so not getting many anything

[sterile bluff]

only a week?

rookie numbers

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

but hold on

if i use 406 mk6 she shoots before enty can get a launch

[shell heron]

I afked against hiryuu

[vague token]

oh that guy

[ionic magnet]

oh rip

[vague token]

i get him every so often

[sterile bluff]

[vague token]

i have to pay attention

on him

but he pushes

[shell heron]

forgot to change my WS position to target hiryuu first

[sterile bluff]

hiryuu op

wait i thought u weren't supposed to kill hiryuu first with ws

[vague token]

depends on your vg

[sterile bluff]

i thought u were supposed to snipe amagi

at least that's what the pinned guide says

[vague token]

i always prefer sniping hiryuu first if im using triple bb and have ykk/noshiro up still

[sterile bluff]

but if u snipe hiryuu ws and ur other hms ships will be hitting nothing for the next while

[vague token]

if both vgs clear at same time triple bb loses to final counter

[shell heron]

dunno, my nagato might have been out barraged

something went wrong

[ionic magnet]

yea better snipe hiryuu tbh

i dont wanna deal with his bs later in the match

[vague token]

his

[ionic magnet]

oof

[sterile bluff]

wdym it's a he right?

[shell heron]

I can recover from this. not getting EoS top 10

[vague token]

xD

[sterile bluff]

azur lane is not all females pretty sure

[vague token]

i think you have mixed up the discords

[ionic magnet]

she looks manlier than me so yea

[vague token]

;)

arknights international

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

fartnights

[vague token]

but yeah, if you're running your own hiryuu you can snipe amagi

and then just win because your hiryuu wont die first

usually

[sterile bluff]

wait hiryuu and warkai same comp? I thought it's either namaryuu or namaspite

[shell heron]

it works pretty well. both your amagi and warspite hits hiryuu early

[vague token]

for a non-meta like ws/hiryuu/amagi

[sterile bluff]

oh ok

[vague token]

when you're meta you dont think

[sterile bluff]

i need amagi tho

[vague token]

only slam ijn master race into the opponent

[sterile bluff]

praying for rerun

[vague token]

no need for big brain strategies

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

flaunt big numbers

get big results

[ionic magnet]

and just afk

[vague token]

i need 3 cuda dives so i can meme crash damage

[zenith tundra]

rip cay

[ionic magnet]

unless enemy has hiryuu too

[sterile bluff]

so namaryuu vs namaspite, which is better on offense and which is better on defense?

[shell heron]

still using hiryuu on offense

I use namaspite offense because I run Noshiro

or Azuma when she hits 120

[zenith tundra]

depends on comps. some namaryuu will do better some namagi ws will do better

[vague token]

i put juneau back in the lead position cause azuma doesnt have dev 25 =/

[sterile bluff]

i think it's always better to use ws on offense cuz the whole point is that you choose who she snipes right?

if u use ws on def ur opponent chooses who she snipes and kinda defeats the point

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws lacks a tank so it will struggle against focused damage. namaryuu only real enemy is mirror

for defense namaryuu>>namagi ws

[sterile bluff]

offense?

[ionic magnet]

both are the same to me
bigger question is if they have good VG or is it just memes

[shell heron]

Well that was unfortunate. I was doing decent this season

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws on defense cannot beat stuff. even with 457 ws u amagi doesn't focus dmg so not really a threat

[vague token]

what are your points at with the loss?

[shell heron]

690 9/10

[sterile bluff]

wait rly?

so namaryuu is better than namaspite in all occasions?

🤔 hmm

[zenith tundra]

defense yes imo

[ionic magnet]

vs meta stuff yea ig

[sterile bluff]

but offense namaryuu is also better?

[vague token]

wait 690 with loss?

im at 712 9/10

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 729 8/10

[vague token]

i think you got rng'd even without the loss

rip event rng

[shell heron]

I was a little behind but not too far

"was"

[sterile bluff]

POGGERS i missed another recharge im at fkin 436 LOL

[zenith tundra]

offense is what i said earlier. namaryuu only enemy is mirror while namagi ws does bad against focused dmg (at least with 457 around)

[ionic magnet]

733 8/10
sad i got +0 last reset

[sterile bluff]

so on offense it kinda depends

[vague token]

offense is more flexible because you dont have a .8 modifier on your entire team

xD

[sterile bluff]

don't u have a 0.8 reduction on main?

and main is the only thing that matters

[vague token]

defense eats .8 on top

[sterile bluff]

so defense is 0.8 * 0.8?

nani

[vague token]

minus centaur

.9 * .8

[ionic magnet]

whats bis fleetpower for namagi ws?

[vague token]

triple 457?

[sterile bluff]

does fleetpower even matter lol

[vague token]

it looks scary to people who dont know

;)

[sterile bluff]

LMAO

[vague token]

use zflag

[zenith tundra]

like u could even calculate that with fleet tech around

[vague token]

zflag meta bois

[ionic magnet]

it matters when you wanna test vs maxed peeps

[sterile bluff]

then just cram PR BBs if u want fleetpower

[shell heron]

mines show 15407

[sterile bluff]

15k wtaf...

[vague token]

just use triple retros, get big numbers

[zenith tundra]

15k is old

[sterile bluff]

BBs have the highest power right?

[sterile bluff]

i mean fdg is kinda cheating but ok

[vague token]

is it though

xD

[ionic magnet]

welp so no go too

[zenith tundra]

a bit low maybe

[sterile bluff]

if u want power just cram gold gears

lol

[zenith tundra]

that is 16k legit bis

[shell heron]

for FdG in it. Prob is

[sterile bluff]

so do BBs have the highest power?

out of all the ships?

[vague token]

not all bbs

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

torp bbs will

if they have good bases

[sterile bluff]

and torpmemes also have high power right?

[karmic forum]

Tirpitz, Bismarck, FDG or something to that effect

[sterile bluff]

if u cram oxytorps

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

eg suruga/amagi are going to have inflated fleet power

[zenith tundra]

powercreeps like ws and fdg have shitload

[vague token]

ws is a retro so huuuuge fp

and fdg is pr so extra fleet power

[shell heron]

Running all PR gear gives me pretty high fleet power

[karmic forum]

Oh wait I lied its tirp, FDG, warkai

[ionic magnet]

yea looks good

[karmic forum]

And pray for more mikasa reruns for more z flags

[karmic forum]

You'll also want to get 3 457s

[sterile bluff]

wait wtf nagato not even 5k?

[vague token]

her base stats arent that godlike

[shell heron]

using badge hurts, but it needs to go on someone

[vague token]

nagato powers herself up with her buff

[zenith tundra]

if u farm pr2 for like 1 and half year u might get 3 457

[vague token]

warspite and fdg are going to have the absolute best base fleet powers

because big numbers baseline

[sterile bluff]

yea

but i always thought nagato had high stats

like base stats

[zenith tundra]

ws is the only ship that can use that outside of azuma that i use both on defense and offense

[sterile bluff]

hmm

[shell heron]

but that's pretty much BiS gear outside of the 457

been liking AP gun on WS because no need to stack more HE

[zenith tundra]

nagato should have lower fleet power then amagi

[vague token]

torp stat fun times

lower than suruga and bbkaga maybe too?

[zenith tundra]

suruga base 3103 200 oath nagato 2826 200 oath

[vague token]

good old torp padding

[zenith tundra]

higher aa too

the only thing nagato has higher then suruga is reload

[karmic forum]

Tirp 3137 200 oath for reference

[zenith tundra]

that depends on fleet power

[karmic forum]

Bis 2999

I guess it does depend on tech points

[zenith tundra]

u can compare 2 ships

but in between players is harder

[karmic forum]

Don't have suruga oathed though

Or 120

[shell heron]

Same

wait

she's 120 but not oathed

[zenith tundra]

good old namaryuu

opponent vg still alive btw

[vague token]

yikes

[zenith tundra]

vg battle is not even close. like all opponent vg still alive

that's why i say u need azuma to deal with azuma

[vague token]

i mean she flaunts big numbers

[zenith tundra]

that's not even dev 30

[vague token]

dev 30 doesnt add to her tank at least

[zenith tundra]

i mean i lose in damage just because

nagato and amagi around

[vague token]

yeah that too

i think a cv would fix azuma tanking you though

centaur or w/e

[zenith tundra]

and then this just wins...

[vague token]

i mean amagi is the biggest full team ehp boost in the game

[zenith tundra]

how broken amagi is

[vague token]

she affects main, vg, everyone

balance tm

[ionic magnet]

replacing monkqe with amagi

[zenith tundra]

and people want more broken stuff. i would be glad if we ever don't see another amagi

[vague token]

i would have been fine with amagi just having the debuff

split the skills up

xD

or suruga aka balanced amagi

i do think that non-faction locked skills are better design wise because of how AL is about bringing factions together

but they dont have to be op

eg centaur style

and formidable

hmm, i need more cuda dives for more crash damage

xD

[zenith tundra]

this namaryuu is actually pretty good tbh

[vague token]

bring back sara

bomb damage?

crash damage?

maybe run bisko to abuse armor break with range boost

seattle gun on armor broken lights

[zenith tundra]

seems like full hms with qe is not good after all

[vague token]

needs more dido?

[zenith tundra]

u just don't win because ur vg is dead way before u even get to kill opponent juneau

[vague token]

yeah back slot juneau probably doesnt eat gun chip

[zenith tundra]

and amgi and hiryuu both won't die easily

[vague token]

so you never even touch her

[ionic magnet]

i mean thats why triple BB is a meme

and youre even using qe

[zenith tundra]

i can win vg just fine with amagi fdg ws tho

[vague token]

na ws/amagi/suruga isnt as big of a meme you'd think

[zenith tundra]

and those are 3 bb

[vague token]

amagi/fdg/ws is just the better version

[ionic magnet]

well amagi nagato ws are exceptions ofc

[vague token]

although that's mostly because it's Wait Until WS Kills Everyone strategy

warspite is pretty resilient to chip cause of her retro boosts and suruga/amagi soak damage forever

[ionic magnet]

replacing qe with kgv should solve VG pressure

[zenith tundra]

it seems like u can win by heavy focusing hiryuu somehow but definitely doesn't feel that consistent

if nagato barrages u pretty much lose nice

rip this comp

[shell heron]

who says Hiryuu is out of the meta. She's still very dangerous on defense

[zenith tundra]

for qe hms seems so

[vague token]

no one said hiryuu is out of meta

dont worry

xD

[shell heron]

I learned that tonight

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is the only comp i ever reset against using ws amagi fdg

let's see if georgia is viable

kind of curious her dmg

[vague token]

she can slam azuma but i doubt she does a lot more than that

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't seem to hit azuma at all with only azuma and yuki left

[sterile bluff]

georgia's barrage doesn't hit backline right?

which makes it kinda useless?

[zenith tundra]

it's half vg half backlines

[sterile bluff]

rly?

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[sterile bluff]

it all depends on where her first volley targets right?

[zenith tundra]

worse part is 80% is not consistent enough

[sterile bluff]

don't most BB's first volley target vg?

it's 85% proc chance right?

[zenith tundra]

the shs part splits into 2

half vg half backlines

[sterile bluff]

the ap targets vg tho right?

[zenith tundra]

it's super heavy shells not normal ap

[sterile bluff]

oh

the blue shit

ill call it

LOL

wait hold on on the excel chart it says AP

[zenith tundra]

it has shs modifier and 2 shells hit vg and 2 backlines

[sterile bluff]

oh

wtaf

[zenith tundra]

the vg part doesn't hit on meta speed builds

[sterile bluff]

which main does it hit?

yea

[zenith tundra]

whoever

[sterile bluff]

it's random?

[zenith tundra]

it can hit anywhere

yeah

before it hit amagi now hiryuu

welcome to rng

i don't understand how is she supposed to kill azuma when she never lands hits on vg....

against any meta comp half barrage will do nothing lol

[sterile bluff]

so basically her barrage dmg gets cut in half

XD

so it's not that good

[zenith tundra]

it does dmg tbh like almost 3k on medium

per shell

[sterile bluff]

how much does monarch do

hold on lemme calculate

XD

i love barrage dmg calculation

[zenith tundra]

around 1k per shell and can hit up to 7 times if lucky

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure it's more than 1k per shell but lemme calculate

[zenith tundra]

it was without extra fp from aux and 2nd gun

pretty sure can do a bit more with extra 30 fp from seattle gun

but that was on heavy too

[sterile bluff]

on medium it should be
ill assume 406skc, seattlegun, staag, sg, rudder which is 75fp from gear
(1/13) * 2054 * 1.25 * (1.2(423+75)+100)/100 * 0.8 = 1102

1.1k

per shell roughly

times 6 is 6613

idk how consistently it lands 7 shots but if it does land 7 it's 7715

that seems pretty low...

if i use white shell and nepgun it should be much higher cuz more fp

[zenith tundra]

monarch should use 2 sg unless she has to actually tank focus imo

u need the hit

since 15 luck at best

[sterile bluff]

if that's the case it'll be 145 fp from gear, so
(1/13) * 2054 * 1.25 * (1.2(423+145)+100)/100 * 0.8 = 1235 per shell

times 6 is 7410, times 7 is 8644

🤔

waiiiiiiiiiiiiit

lemme calculate georgia i thought monarch's barrage was insanely strong

[ionic magnet]

since when did monarch hit 6 times

[sterile bluff]

how many times does she usually hit?

[ionic magnet]

4-5

[sterile bluff]

wtaf...

[zenith tundra]

not worth losing 20 hit and 15 evasion for 55 fp

[sterile bluff]

ok screw this im sticking with hood ROFL

[zenith tundra]

i can prove it hits 7 times actually

maybe just god tier rng

[sterile bluff]

but does she do it consistently

[ionic magnet]

wait vs who?

[zenith tundra]

the 1st screenshot is right before the displaced number

[ionic magnet]

does that guy wear rudder tho

[sterile bluff]

on average how many shots hit

[zenith tundra]

u need to calculate evasion for that

[sterile bluff]

my monarch sucks so i can't base it off my experience XD

[ionic magnet]

yea im basing on actual decent enemy

[zenith tundra]

ofc that i would never say she lands 7 hits every time

but it seems like maximum that can land

[ionic magnet]

mm yea sounds about right

[sterile bluff]

like if we ignore any sort of evasion what's the maximum possible shots that her barrage pattern allows her to land against a single main?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

cuz of all the times i've used her her barrage seems spread out af compared to hood's but still only hits 1 ship...

like... wtf devs

[zenith tundra]

also that number may vary to spread rng

so like lol

[sterile bluff]

don't u guys think monarch should hit sides considering her barrage's spread?

[ionic magnet]

i dont really see any big difference on hood/monarch barrage dmg last time i tested

[zenith tundra]

don't think she is meant to do that tbh

[sterile bluff]

u r right if she hit sides it'll be too broken

HooLoo i think hood hits more shots but the shots deal less dmg cuz of modifier so they deal about the same in the end

[ionic magnet]

she does hit sides very rarely but yea i think shes fine rn

[zenith tundra]

ships that have barrages that do hit every backlines either have broken barrages or not really good ones...
nagato broken
bismark suruga kgv ehh (not to mention bm or big seven)
rossyia is the only that is in the middle ground

[ionic magnet]

HooLoo i think hood hits more shots but the shots deal less dmg cuz of modifier so they deal about the same in the end
yep p much

[sterile bluff]

rossiya's barrage is aimed in pvp lol

the 9 ap shots

3 on each main

[zenith tundra]

u sure about that?

[sterile bluff]

pretty sure

test it out urself

sometimes those shots miss cuz of eva and spread obviously

but it's obvious that it's targeting the mains

the icicles r random tho

[zenith tundra]

somehow no hits on bot

it's not aimed it just hits sides too

only mid can hit everyone

top or bot cannot

[inner zenith]

any of those new core shop items good for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

not really unless u want to meme with cuda db and armor break

or u want 50 extra hp from seal of the four gods over toolbox

[ionic magnet]

is EN still missing anything from core shop

aside from corsair

[zenith tundra]

seiran

[inner zenith]

ok

[ionic magnet]

whats that

[zenith tundra]

i think they will add that with isss rerun somehow

seaplanes

[ionic magnet]

oh gotcha

[vague token]

fcr

;))))))))

[ionic magnet]

was about to say lol

[zenith tundra]

it has i-13 specific skill pretty much

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Aichi_M6A_Seiran

[sterile bluff]

im pre sure ur top and bot r missing cuz of spread rng or eva

but basically it hits sides

or it can at least

[zenith tundra]

the pattern is not aimed

it hits sides

and cannot hit everyone unless mid

ok so seems en is missing vf-17 sea fury and seirans. didn't notice the sea fury too

[sterile bluff]

alright back to calculating georgia barrage

does it scale with 100% fp?

it doesn't say on spreadsheet, only 100% crit rate

[zenith tundra]

if it's not specified it's 100%

[sterile bluff]

k

so for CV if not specified it's 100% avi, everything else fp?

[zenith tundra]

for everything non specified it's 100% of the stat is based on

[sterile bluff]

how do we know which stat it's based on

[zenith tundra]

not sure if it says torp or avi for those

[sterile bluff]

like for example is a DD barrage based on fp or torp

if unspecified

[zenith tundra]

there is a round type....

torp are torp, bombs are avi and everything else is fp

[sterile bluff]

torp is avi?

wtf

u mean plane torps?

[zenith tundra]

is my line unclear?

[sterile bluff]

nvm

i got it

im having a mental breakdown

it's been a long day

[zenith tundra]

torpedoes use torp
bomb use avi
rest use fp
some are weird tho like avi torp

[sterile bluff]

yeaa

anyways back to my calcs

shit idk georgia BiS cuz she's not on the guide

what's her BiS?

[sterile bluff]

double sg?

[zenith tundra]

rudder instead of 1 sg if she needs to tank

[sterile bluff]

i guess it doesn't matter all i care about is fp

[zenith tundra]

mine is not max oath yet

[sterile bluff]

ill just calc based on normal 100 affection unoathed

wait no

screw that

just no stat bonus from fleet tech, affection and other bs

[zenith tundra]

her max should be around 461 max oath 120

fleet tech doesn't apply in pvp anyway

[sterile bluff]

this is the ap part against med:
(1/4) * 1051.6 * 1.35 * 1.5 * (436+80+100)/100 * 0.8 = 2624 per shell

so if 2 shells hit main that's 5247

hmm

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right

[sterile bluff]

vs 6613 for 6 shell monarch barrage

monarch wins

[zenith tundra]

6 shells is a lot. u have to consider 4-5 shells

[sterile bluff]

britannia still rules tho

4 shells is 4408 rip

[zenith tundra]

once vg is dead georgia does 11k dmg tho

[sterile bluff]

whenever i fight their main always dies first cuz im doing hms snipe

[vague token]

maybe try formidable/georgia/amagi

[sterile bluff]

or i die

which is usually the case

[vague token]

sync formidable to georgia barrage

[zenith tundra]

if u don't use hms u can actually kill vg 1st

[vague token]

nuke azuma

[sterile bluff]

i don't have formidable

[zenith tundra]

it's hard to do tbh

formi is a bit slow for georgia reload

[sterile bluff]

usually what happens is i kill their main and their enty kills my entire vg in 0.1 seconds

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

u can find some weird setup with fast planes

[vague token]

ill try it when i get georgia leveled i guess

[zenith tundra]

but u have to mk6 georgia

no matter what

[vague token]

but that's like 3 months from now xD

or more

[sterile bluff]

so using formi with georgia is not a good idea?

pretty sure there r fast plane setups

[vague token]

i mean it's more like bandaid xD

[zenith tundra]

not maxed reload yet

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

like vf-17 cudas alba is 21.2

[sterile bluff]

so it's not possible to sync formi with 406skc georgia?

[zenith tundra]

maybe with beacon

only mk6 can work

anything else is like 0 chances

even with bad planes for 1st slot like skyrocket u only get 20.6

[sterile bluff]

shit ok...

[zenith tundra]

skyrocket double albacore 20.3

[sterile bluff]

she can still sync with ws tho

right?

can she sync with 457 ws?

[zenith tundra]

457 is 17.09 on ws

[sterile bluff]

...

who can formi sync with then...

other CVs?

[zenith tundra]

cv is the easiest

mk6 bb and maybe triple 381 too if not too much reload

[ionic magnet]

i just had a match where azuma shoots over enemy backline

like shes aiming at something off screen

[sterile bluff]

triple 410 also works right?

[zenith tundra]

it's a ca thing

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

sounds like a target loss

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

oh first time i saw that

looks funny

[vague token]

her gun angle is still limited

45

so 22 up and down

better than all other CA guns

[ionic magnet]

and i think she wont fire if enemy is too near?

or is that cos of angle

[vague token]

it shouldnt have a minimum range that i know of

[ionic magnet]

yea prolly just angle

[zenith tundra]

most likely

[ionic magnet]

im testing vs this torp meme

and my lead jun always has around 10-20% hp after opening torps

[sterile bluff]

torp meme without ayaya

[ionic magnet]

thats with torp bulge and noshiro buff too

[zenith tundra]

actually the timing with formi works with mk6 if u use beacon too

but then again 2/3 of vg is light armor so it only hit azuma pretty much

[sterile bluff]

she can launch a bit after BBs

cuz the first volley will have good acc cuz time slow

and formi's slow lasts for a while

[zenith tundra]

time slow in pvp?

[sterile bluff]

i am legit braindead today...

just curious how many steam catas do u guys have XD

i seem to never get enough

[zenith tundra]

i have 22 gold ones (not even half maxed tho)

[sterile bluff]

what

the

actual

fuck

twenty two

...

🙏

you are a legend sir

[ionic magnet]

idk they go straight to 🚮 when i get one

i keep like 10 i think

[sterile bluff]

D:

gimme some

i seem to never get enough D:

[ionic magnet]

just play

[sterile bluff]

[zenith tundra]

i like that u can setup slow for a 20% chance of not seeing the barrage

i don't like swapping so i just keep them on cv if i don't need them

[ionic magnet]

i should do that too lol

[zenith tundra]

this actually doesn't look bad

and yukikaze can just randomly dodge everything

omg

it's too much of a gimmick thing to work it seems. if u don't get georgia barrage u already half lost

[sterile bluff]

who did u sync her with?

[zenith tundra]

wdym?

[sterile bluff]

who did u sync formi with i couldn't tell

[zenith tundra]

georgia

[sterile bluff]

what gun was georgia using?

[zenith tundra]

mk6

[sterile bluff]

oh

so if im doing monarch amagi then formi is kinda pointless right?

cuz u can't sync it with barrage BB guns

[zenith tundra]

dunno tbh

if formi can kill vg by herself is not much of a problem

[sterile bluff]

that is tru...

but im better off using hiryuu right?

if im even using a CV in the first place

[zenith tundra]

i think they have different roles. hiryuu is for tanking and finishing fights

formi is more focused on killing vg

[sterile bluff]

almost all CVs r focused on killing vg

[zenith tundra]

well it's not hiryuu main role

[sterile bluff]

tru

hope we get spitesword soon

😢

then amagi and essex

then nagato

then formi

ok now im just sounding desperate

which i am btw

[zenith tundra]

and i was starting to think it's actually good comp excluding the fact that nagato can just solo everything somehow

[sterile bluff]

so is georgia viable in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

i'm of the same opinion as before tbh. u can use her but there are better choices

[sterile bluff]

damn... the purin fight was uhh...

exhilarating XD

[zenith tundra]

too bad is too hard to lose

[sterile bluff]

lol i was actually trying before realizing the buli had 999999 hp

D: i want monarch's skin how do i get it

[zenith tundra]

it's in skin store

[sterile bluff]

no the black gerard one

u can't buy it with gems

D:

but that's the hottest one

[zenith tundra]

it's limited. have to wait to put it again in shop

[sterile bluff]

...

okie

i just wanna finish my skc so i can finally get started on rushing ship bps

how long does it usually take to go from dev 20 to 30?

if u always do ur researches

[zenith tundra]

depends how much u invest. it gets much faster with cubes

[sterile bluff]

heh, maybe ill whale a bit

[zenith tundra]

i also don't remember how much it took for me for pr2 since i was only focusing on dr

[sterile bluff]

is it realistic to get 10bp a day for a specific ship?

[zenith tundra]

nah

[sterile bluff]

8?

[zenith tundra]

maybe if u go full cubes

[sterile bluff]

i mean im probably gonna hit dev 30 before lv 120 anyways so kek

ill spam coobes

aight its getting late later

[hot creek]

I was doing 6DR prints a day using around 14 cubes a day.

[zenith tundra]

yeah but 10 for a specific ship seems a bit hard

[elder crane]

Based off of when people first maxed PRs, a bit over 6 a day for a specific PR is where you cap even with cubespam

Which is about right for phoenix's experience since DR prints are about half as common general drops as PR prints

[frail orbit]

More than 7 already too luccsacc smhw

Per day

Even 6-7 is already luccsacc smhw

How's urs Ren?
Mine around 4-5 max with same amount of coobs that Phoenix did

[elder crane]

I didn't cubespam too much

Still 80-90 short on all my PR2 PRs

But like, CN dalao with nothing better to do still took almost 2 months to rush out PR2 PRs

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't even bother counting those tbh. i'm pretty sure i retired around 60-80 of each after fate 5 before dev 30 dr

[elder crane]

PR2 PR

Pretty sure no fate on those yet, unless you're accounting for saving them

[zenith tundra]

i save 165 of all pr2

[elder crane]

And yes, especially if you cubespam a ton you'll get a ton of excess

[zenith tundra]

i only cube spam a bit towards the end since i wanted to finish pr1 fate 5 as well before pr3

[elder crane]

Nonspecific projects give a DR print roughly 20% of the time

Aka each DR about half the rate for each PR

[hot creek]

for me, its closer to a third of the rate of PR

[zenith tundra]

i pretty much retire all over 165 just for general dr

[hot creek]

You could definitely do more if you focus face projects on a specific pr ship as well. I basically never did any PR face projects

I remember seeing a guy with a maxed gasgone after a month an a half

[runic sorrel]

[leaden jay]

[drowsy heron]

What would be a good starter PvP team to aim for if we get the new server?

[hot creek]

QE/Hood/WS

Hood Foxes

Enty Foxes

Belfast/Juneau/Eldridge.

maybe Helena if using Enty

something like that

[meager dawn]

would the new server have the same ships in its pools as the other servers?

[hot creek]

Oh, right. Didn't take that into account

Centaur

IJN Aurora

[ripe latch]

[drowsy heron]

Cool thanks @hot creek

[tranquil hedge]

is there a viable northern parliament pvp formation? im new to pvp and i basically have none of the complete main fleet compositions that are mentioned in the pinned tierlist

[zenith tundra]

full northern parliament no chances. rossiya is the only one u can use in pvp because her barrage can hit all opponent backlines but otherwise there are way better choices for all northern ships including rossiya. if u want to make one is for the memes

[jagged steppe]

IJN Aurora rofl

[meager dawn]

Avrora for the torpmemes

[zenith tundra]

maybe but u want more torp not actual more chances to miss also her speed would make ur vg a sitting duck even with 2 boilers on her

[drowsy heron]

As I'm a noob I'm open to other suggestions 👍

[ionic magnet]

starter team?

[zenith tundra]

i would say hiryuu will be fun to deal with lol

[ionic magnet]

i'd prolly go foxes with jintsuu aya ykkz

well depends on first event too

and not sure if ykkz will be available right from start

at lv 100 torp meme is actually legit strat even on offense

[zenith tundra]

if amagi will be released with the server i can only imagine something like hiryuu, amagi, bb kaga/hood with yukikaze juneau and either an ijn or belfast/aurora as most likely best comp

i'm pretty sure it will be 120 from start tbh

i don't see why they would gate level now

[ionic magnet]

hmm yea idk how it works really

would just be a rush to level then

[zenith tundra]

it will be an en server that just didn't have any events so far and where people start from 0. most likely it will just follow same schedule as the other en servers

i don't see the devs doing a specific schedule for only 1 server

[ionic magnet]

yea would make sense now how they keep delaying FW

im still hoping lol

[zenith tundra]

i don't care 1 bit about fw

all we need now is a way to get hpfcr

[ionic magnet]

but muh collection%

[zenith tundra]

F

[ionic magnet]

well im fine with just getting hfcr too tbh

[zenith tundra]

they just need to retire it tbh

there is no reason to keep it like that if u are not gonna rerun it because it was rerun version already

[ionic magnet]

but yea if it goes straight to 120

i wont go for torp memes then

hmm safest prolly is bel jun eld/aurora

with foxes

[zenith tundra]

about amagi i'm thinking about making a short page for it in the guide once we know what event they will get with the possible viable comps. it will be a bit hard with no one doing tests tho....

hiryuu is a hard counter to foxes tho idk

maybe if amagi isn't released then foxes will be meta but with amagi and hiryuu around for foxes will be hard

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu foxes is an option yea

no warkai to snipe them

[zenith tundra]

let's see for how long

[ionic magnet]

but if they get amagi

amagi foxes for sure

remember how we have like 100% wr back then

til wasd+amagi

[zenith tundra]

the problem was hiryuu was not a real thing for most people and level cap was 100

level cap alone makes foxes way less good

[ionic magnet]

well with no warkai no wasda no nagato

dont think theres a better choice

[zenith tundra]

there is still hiryuu around tho

and that's a foxes counter

[ionic magnet]

yea but hiryuu with who

[zenith tundra]

maybe finally time for bunnies?

[drowsy heron]

Thanks for the tips, need to read up on those units before I decide as I need solid PvE team aswell

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu isnt that scary if theres noone to kill your VG

ig depends also if aurora is available

foxes alone arent scary either

[zenith tundra]

we'll see when server is released and what events it will get. generally best units obtainable without events are hiryuu enty foxes hood centaur ws(maybe hk). for vg aurora yukikaze juneau eldridge jintsuu helena. this outside of pr ships

if u get lucky enough to pull her out of light hell

[ionic magnet]

yea agreed

also maybe eldridge for a while when everyone is running enty