pvp

[sterile bluff]

oops i mean

0.8(fp+100)/100

no matter how i calculate i only get 2k

[vague token]

armor modifier

it's ap

[sterile bluff]

that still only gets it up a bit

[elder crane]

PvP damage modifiers, level difference modifiers, other skill effects, etc.

it gets boosted damage on first salvo

[sterile bluff]

even with first barrage boost how tf can 2k get to like 6k

[elder crane]

also it auto-crits

so you need to add crit in

[sterile bluff]

how do i calculate crit

[vague token]

crits are 1.5

[sterile bluff]

ok

hmm i see

[elder crane]

well, 1.5 if no mods on it

[vague token]

it's a barrage

only 1.5

[elder crane]

which for warspite barrage, there isn't

[sterile bluff]

is that how it works for ws?

so just 1.5

ok

[vague token]

there's only 1 crit damage tool in the game

and it only affects shelling

[elder crane]

there's crit damage skills

that affect not just shelling

[vague token]

are those general or just main weapon

im pretty sure most are just primary weapon

ibuki is just torpedo

not even sure if it works on her barrage

lol

[zenith tundra]

404.8x1.3x1.5x(((595x1.15x0.8)+100)/100)=5.1k

[vague token]

sheffield is main gun only

[elder crane]

I take that back, it seems all crit damage skills work only on actual weapon slots

Even Bismarck's

[vague token]

oh, z1 actually boosts her general crit damage

literally the only one

[elder crane]

huh, nvm then

[vague token]

yeah, the SOLE crit damage general boost is z1

for reasons

🍝

[zenith tundra]

it's weird tho 5.1k on medium is less then what u do in pvp....

[vague token]

oh sorry nowaki

there's 2

[sterile bluff]

wait... wtf zack did the calculation correctly

but it's only 5.1k

so 1 shell is only 2555

oh wait

[vague token]

oh and u-110 but that isnt pvp

[zenith tundra]

is there something wrong with the formula tbh

[sterile bluff]

first barrage boost

[zenith tundra]

oh ofc

[sterile bluff]

nonono we forgot first barrage boost

[zenith tundra]

forgot that

[sterile bluff]

LOL im stupid af

[vague token]

lul

2.3 multiplier lol

[zenith tundra]

i forgot it too

[sterile bluff]

hmm 5.8k

[zenith tundra]

lol

[vague token]

then do the .8 for pvp

[sterile bluff]

does that sound right?

[vague token]

should be right

[sterile bluff]

and how is dmg modified in pvp? attacker gets 20% bonus?

[vague token]

no

main fleets have a .8 modifier on anything they do

both sides

except cvl

xD

[sterile bluff]

ok

[vague token]

defense gets another hard .8 on top

[sterile bluff]

wait that's only 4.7k then XD

nani

i see ppl doing like 7k per shell

do they stack so much fp or smth?

[zenith tundra]

actual dmg of that ws on akagi is 5.3k

[sterile bluff]

that's weird... so that 4.7k isn't correct?

[sterile bluff]

hold on we made a slight mistake

i think it should be 0.8 * (fp+100)/100 not (0.8*fp+100)/100

bedmas

cuz 0.8 has to multiply the whole thing

[vague token]

oh u110 has a crit damage boost lol

whopping 3 general crit damage boosters

[zenith tundra]

it's less if u scale all fp down of 0.8

like 4.5k vs 4.7k

[sterile bluff]

i did it my way and got

404.8 * 1.5 * 1.3 * 0.8 * (595*1.15 + 100)/100
then divide by 2 cuz per shell and times 2.3 gives 5695

[elder crane]

does the damage boost on first salvo stack additive to the -20% for main fleet?

I think it does

[sterile bluff]

first salvo u mean first barrage?

[elder crane]

yeah

[sterile bluff]

hmm

[elder crane]

also
it's increase by 130%

not increase to

so +130%

basically takes that mod from 80% to 210%

oh wait nvm I see you didn't put in the boost explicitly

but yeah, that

[sterile bluff]

it's 2.3 * 0.8 which is 1.84

84% increase

[zenith tundra]

yeah that's it

[elder crane]

is it not additive stacking?

[sterile bluff]

yea increase by 130% is 230% which is 2.3

idk

it should be 230% * 80% which is just 2.3 * 0.8

[elder crane]

no, I mean, is it additive to the -20% damage penalty in PvP on BBs

[zenith tundra]

(595x1.15x0.8+100)/100x202.4x1.3x1.5x2.1=5365

[elder crane]

you forgot your +100 in FP

[zenith tundra]

i did it a spreadsheet

so it was already added but that is right

[sterile bluff]

wait

does the 80% fp scaling apply to the original fp or after all the fp mod, i mean is it
(fp*0.8 + 100)/100
or
(fp+100)/100 and then *0.8

[elder crane]

first

[sterile bluff]

ohhhh

ok

[elder crane]

the +100 isn't a mod

it's part of the formula

[sterile bluff]

ok

[elder crane]

btw jfyi, all the "double damage" skills are coded as +100% damage
so with the -20% in PvP, it isn't 0.8*2 = 1.6, but it's (1-0.2+1)=1.8

[sterile bluff]

ok

[elder crane]

also part of why Nagato's CV boost is so good
it's (1-0.2+0.2)=1
which relative to the 0.8 they get without Nagato, is effectively a +25% damage boost

[zenith tundra]

damage skills are additive non multiplicative ofc. remembering that is hard lol

[elder crane]

then you have shit like ammo type and hunter damage boosts
which are multiplicative

:kek:

e.g. Bel's +25% damage with HE, and erm
are there any good ships with hunter mod?
a shitty example is Ajax retro's +25% vs CA

[sterile bluff]

hold on, i calculated monarch's barrage
2054 * 1.25 * (1.2*638+100)/100 which is 22224.28
divide by 13 shells... that's only 1709.56 per shell?

nani?

638fp is 423 + 215 which is the build i have rn

on average how many shells does she hit against single target?

like 4? XD

[zenith tundra]

so like aurora+avrora is 20% hunter and 35% bonus damage is 1.2x1.35?

if those 4 even hit tbh

in pvp it's also 1367 because u forgot 0.8x dmg modifier

[sterile bluff]

but im just curious how many of her 13 shells does she actually land against a single target?

[zenith tundra]

only 1 way to find out... testing

[sterile bluff]

D:

judging by her pattern i don't think she can land anything more than 7

it's spread out af

r u sure monarch only hits 1 backliner direct opposite of her?

and no one else?

[vague token]

test mode when

friend battle when

xD

[sterile bluff]

D:

battle me peasant!

i will show u true power!

hold on guys

ws's barrage has a 110% coefficient

so we gotta add another 1.1 multiplier right?

[zenith tundra]

7 times yes and doesn't hit anyone else

[sterile bluff]

crap...

it's so weird tho her barrage is super spread out 🤔

but still doesn't hit anyone else

[zenith tundra]

i stopped right before the number a bit off

on 1st screenshot

the other shells end very close to flagship but never land

[sterile bluff]

that's just sad... all those dmg wasted...

i swear the devs r trolling us

[zenith tundra]

my monarch had only mg equipped and hit all 7 hits without missing...

[sterile bluff]

mg?

[zenith tundra]

main gun

[sterile bluff]

u only had maingun nothing else?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

pogger

still... those other 6 shells 😢

[zenith tundra]

i wonder how many shells nagato wastes lol

[sterile bluff]

LMAO

fdg too

ehhh wtf

my ws's barrage did like 900 per shell against D3 boss

ik it's not pvp but

wtf XD

me

im clearly the best player

just look at me man

[eager cedar]

define best

[sterile bluff]

[eager cedar]

who neets the most at the game?

[ionic magnet]

monarch do hit sides sometimes

for god knows why

its very rare

[zenith tundra]

u just need to look at event farm leaderboard

for no lifers

[ionic magnet]

famine

[zenith tundra]

good observation

[sterile bluff]

yea i swear i saw her hit side sometimes

[zenith tundra]

sandbaggig is not about pvp knowledge but how much u can camp ur list and even learning rushers names

if u live in the wrong side of the world u are fucked in pvp no matter what

[eager cedar]

define good

[zenith tundra]

he is a very good sandbagger one of the best in avrora

[ionic magnet]

dont you dare compare famine to plebs like us

[eager cedar]

you cant be bad at this game, the player skill ceiling is very low

[elder crane]

He is the most nolife of them allllll~

[ionic magnet]

watch him overtake jp farmers even if we're behind by 2 days or so

[vague token]

famine is the ultimate al player

top pve score

what is his fleet power atm anyways

[eager cedar]

11328

[zenith tundra]

we'll see at the end of the event. i don't think even famine can compare with some farmers in my jp server

21k fleet power

[sterile bluff]

how is fleet power calculated anyways

[zenith tundra]

all i know is that every ship at every limit break level contribute towards it and that it should be based on a ship power

[ionic magnet]

/fleetpower

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Fleet Power Ranking

1. It considers your entire dock
2. Certain equipment gives more points than others, especially with their rarity
3. Only the highest level girl and the highest LB girl of that particular copy is considered. If there exists another girl or girls of the same LB, the highest combat power girl will be counted in.
4. Duplicates that are of lower LB will be factored in, but follows point 3 except restricted to that particular LB. So 0LB, 1LB, and 2LB each can have the same girl and all three will be counted in. Any duplicates that have lower combat power, however, will not be factored in if they are at the same LB level.
5. If there exists a retrofit of a girl and a MLB of a girl, only the retrofit girl is factored into the fleet power.
6. The equation overall is like this:
   Combat Power w no equip * LB Modifier + Combat Power considering only equip * Equip Modifier.
   Explanation courtesy of Enbayft#2527

[ionic magnet]

21k jesus

[sterile bluff]

[forest lake]

148 start

[vague token]

143

about normal for me

[shell heron]

I got a late mover

Gonna cut it close

146. Okay stary

[vague token]

[shell heron]

Nothing will be as bad as that one season

Stalled into new season. 110 start

[zenith tundra]

https://twitter.com/azurlane_staff/status/1244883051575795713 wtf

アズールレーン公式 (@azurlane_staff)

【新規兵装（着せ替え）プリン！】
汎用型ブリ・汎用型強化兵装（工作用）＋α
「プリン？なんだか新しい装備をゲットしたプリン！これでブリも戦えるプリン！」

※イベント報酬で実装予定プリン！
※作業用なので戦えるようにはなりませんプリン。
#アズールレーン

Twitter

[upper sparrow]

who is that?

WAIT WHAT PURIN SKIN?

[zenith tundra]

[New Weapon Purin!]
Universal Bulin - Universal Weapon Upgrade (for Construction) + α

"Purin? Somehow I received new equipment purin! Now Bulin can fight like everyone else purin!"

※ You can get this as an event reward purin!
※ It's a skin and can't be used for fighting purin.

[upper sparrow]

"cant be used for fighting purin" what kind of joke is that lmao

[zenith tundra]

i'm just as confused tbh

[smoky elk]

AF at its finest

[midnight heron]

nani

[charred sable]

Oops. RIP this season

[silent ocean]

XD so guessin to be viable or competetive in pvp would need pr2 ships yeah?

otherwise i think just staying at captain is the best one can do w/o?

[zenith tundra]

not really tbh

the only ship u need is ws kai. u can build around her carrying

[jagged steppe]

just bag harder than other

[shy hazel]

isnt that

the april foods purin

guess its a skin

[zenith tundra]

yes

[silent ocean]

well warspite just came up from the medal exchange but dont have the item so guess thats not a option till later

but ty

[jagged steppe]

these april fool

or not

[keen sparrow]

bulin got upgrade

[ripe latch]

@jagged steppe but azuma fleet always food for any torp team

[jagged steppe]

thats the meme

this guy claimed hes better than the protoganist by 1000%

and get rekt in next 5 ep

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra have table or something, how many dmg can block suruga to main?

worth it?

see only 10-15%

[zenith tundra]

using suruga is not really worth since u lose so much dmg... namagi suruga which is pretty much the only viable comp is really slow compared to running hiryuu and it isn't really better

[jagged steppe]

they add suruga 4 more torp in exercise mode

that deal 0 dmg!!

[ripe latch]

0(350)

[jagged steppe]

it tickle

[marsh bane]

[ripe latch]

ws kai + suruga + fdg

[zenith tundra]

why not amagi instead if suruga

her dr works for everyone not just backlines

[ripe latch]

i want try new corp

using amagi so... boring

[zenith tundra]

if u want to test go ahead and do so

i'm just telling that suruga ain't really worth using over better stuff

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

this is a waste tbh

not like u actually gain stored xp in pvp anyway

[ripe latch]

ok

[keen sparrow]

im using saruga just for DR

[zenith tundra]

do u have amagi?

[keen sparrow]

nope that why my only option is saruga

[zenith tundra]

that's the only role she can actually fill pretty much... substitute amagi

if u don't have amagi

[zenith tundra]

wtf is this login screen after patch...

[empty owl]

April 1st

[zenith tundra]

actually missing hms intrepid one lol

[empty owl]

Buli is getting a skin

[forest lake]

371 so far

Looking like a good season

[ionic magnet]

5/10?

[zenith tundra]

313 8/10

dead reset

[ionic magnet]

hmm alright still good ig

1 match earlier lagged so im not sure if it counted

378 5/10

[forest lake]

Ye 5/10

[zenith tundra]

did they actually just fuck up with the login screen lol

wtf are en devs doing

[ripe latch]

yeap

[blazing scroll]

🍝 code

[elder crane]

EN devs and fucking things up

[zenith tundra]

i'm just curious who actually does stuff for en servers because everything seems to be really chaotic

[elder crane]

I'm pretty sure EN doesn't even actually have a permanent dedicated team

they just pull people when they are forced to

[marsh bane]

oof

[golden fable]

Not relevant to PvP

[zenith tundra]

ok my bad about the topic it's just weird how much the actually screw things up

[elder crane]

Given how much dev team screwups have messed with PvP, especially the last season, idk

[sour oasis]

How does a match not get counted?

[jagged steppe]

FUCK MAN

1HOUR OF DOTA

RUIN MY LIFE

80MIN DOTA GAME

asddsa\zxfvazgbv

[shell heron]

3 mins. 30s per match

easy

but that looks possible

[shell heron]

just refresh into easy targets

[shell heron]

of all targets you picked FdG

[marsh bane]

[shell heron]

and Amagi

[jagged steppe]

I MSISED ONE

ASDFHJKASHJFCKAJHZDNfgv

FUCK MAN

just

kill me

who the fuck think dota gonna last 85min

2nd day into new season

missed1

cya next season

[shell heron]

one missed match isn't too bad. You're not getting EoS top 10 but you can still touch it

easy

[zenith tundra]

it's easier to come back from early missed attempts then late ones

my en season is trash ofc since the one time i do well is fucked up by devs

[ripe latch]

5k

@jagged steppe miss 5?

[jagged steppe]

miss1

[ripe latch]

[jagged steppe]

the reason I miss

first 2 attempt

I didn't realize

my warspite was naked

I use gear to other ship to farm

[zenith tundra]

i never take off gear from pvp ships but if u don't have enough it's normal to need to swap

[elfin summit]

today my list moved 5 times during night, so I was 5/10 at 12PM with no efforts

[ripe latch]

first 2 attempt
@jagged steppe

[jagged steppe]

AHAHAH

I dont have spare gear for other bb

I dont have part to upgrade too

I play this game since november

I still only had 1 sg radar gold

[elfin summit]

I got my first gold SG in like 9 month

[elder crane]

[elfin summit]

I have just 2 of them after >year playing

[elder crane]

I have like average >1 per month I've played

[elfin summit]

rng hates me

[elder crane]

Well, that's when you farm the equip off the map

a year in, 6/7 of my 113 mm AA gun was farmed off 7-2 iirc

[ripe latch]

10 months
@
5k exer

[jagged steppe]

how is everyone's 457?

mine stuck 9/50 for forever

[ripe latch]

start to farm honolulu

[elfin summit]

is it any good, to begin with

[ripe latch]

u get 2-3 sg gold

[elfin summit]

[ripe latch]

[elfin summit]

I mean, it's 🏳️‍🌈 and all, but dps-wise it doesn't look that outstanding

[elder crane]

21/50 still

highest DpS by far on med/heavy isn't enough for you

[ripe latch]

21/50 too

@elder crane u spam research?

[elfin summit]

most targets are light tho

[elder crane]

it has as much per-salvo damage as the 410AP and loads significantly faster

most targets in lower main story chapters

I'm actually behind the curve on 457 for people who are at least semi-focused on it

on average, you have around half as many 457 as any particular PR2 gold equip
I have close to 70 prints on most of them yet only 21 of 457

once you reach ch 11,12,13, and in events, nodes have between 50-90% of their HP being medium or heavy armor

[elfin summit]

so it's rather boss gun then?

[elder crane]

????

nodes have between 50-90% of their HP being medium or heavy armor
So BB AP guns get good use in there situationally

just random mob nodes

[ripe latch]

[elfin summit]

med and heavy armor are mostly used on BBs and CVs, right?

[ripe latch]

just put and fun

[elfin summit]

back then I recall it was designated for Azuma

[jagged steppe]

how do you get 21/50

what research you prioritize?

[elder crane]

Q researches

if you want equip prints in particular,
Q 30 min > 1h Q >=(?) 4h Q = (?) 4h G > 2h Q > E315 (purple one) > rest

[jagged steppe]

ok thx

[elder crane]

I don't go that far down the list though
usually will take other 30 min projects, 2.5h Azuma/FdG projects, etc.

people who have semi-focused like me should be around or at least clost to 30/50 right now I've been pretty unlucky

[shell heron]

I'm sitting on 15/50

It's been a while since I seen one

[sour oasis]

Never sure if I should chase research for Dr rainbow gun or more PR/DR BP

[elder crane]

Sadly the system is kinda one or the other

[ripe latch]

ppl defeat coronavirus or someone get fdg gun on eu?

[elfin summit]

given how much one should grind for 🏳️‍🌈 gun, it's rather both, I believe

being home all grind time ofc

[elder crane]

you can't speed up research by grinding more

[elfin summit]

you need gold and qubes tho

[jagged steppe]

just🐳

[elfin summit]

[elder crane]

you can't grind cubes, and grinding coin is super pepega

[jagged steppe]

is working at mcdonald counted as grinding cube?

[elder crane]

people can grind game more cause forced to be at home due to coronavirus

Just get work at a restaurant instead lmfao

[jagged steppe]

my country people working as delivery are rich af

like you ride bike nonstop and risking ur ass for virus but you get hella lot of money

[hot creek]

grind research by never sleeping

24/7 research uptime

[hot creek]

things havent been so great after losing 48hrs of research time thanks to Extended Maintenance™.

[light crystal]

What's the general opinion for this in PvP? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/TBM_Avenger_(VT-18_Squadron)

I'm using Amagi/Nagato/Hiryuu for Defense, and so as to free a Ryuusei up for PvE, I put it on Hiryuu. It does seem generally better, but I was wondering on people's general take on it tho

[jagged steppe]

people said reppu is better in pvp(?)

but I dont have reppu so

[elder crane]

it's yet another sidegrade, basically

[ionic magnet]

higher dmg ceiling at the cost of more rng

i still prefer cudas

[vague token]

we need cuda dive to replace crash on dive slot

xD

[ionic magnet]

[light crystal]

How is it a sidegrade tho. The Parallel pattern would dmg the VG more. And once it starts hitting the Mainline, it can still rack up massive dmg cuz of the debuff and wut not. So it's a good compromise between using a Parallel TB, or simply just using the Ryuusei

[ionic magnet]

its also slower by quite a bit, has lower crash dmg and the debuff is p much a hail mary

[light crystal]

But u dmg more the VG. It's a tradeoff anyway. It should do the job in Defense, better than Ryuusei did anyway

[sterile bluff]

ok so im doing what u guys told me the other day

waiting till 1 of my opponent out of the 4 reaches a higher rank then attacking them

but that's not happening...

and there' only like 24 minutes left and i have 9 attempts what should i do?

just attack the left most opponent i can do?

[ionic magnet]

But u dmg more the VG. It's a tradeoff anyway. It should do the job in Defense, better than Ryuusei did anyway
yea hence the sidegrade
not sure on defense but ryuusei really suck there so

just attack the left most opponent i can do?
yea wait as long as you can
around last 10 mins maybe 5 mins if youre really hardcore

[sterile bluff]

ok 😠

ill be hardcore af

ill clutch that shit

[ionic magnet]

[sterile bluff]

jk i probably can't even beat anyone

im a noob

[ionic magnet]

many comrades have already fallen doing that btw

[sterile bluff]

[light crystal]

Alrighty then, good shit. It's staying there 👍

[karmic forum]

Last season confirmed that I should stop sandbagging in PvP

[light crystal]

I missed 4 PvP's, each worth 15 points each, for 60 points cuz of maint on the 18th or so, still managed to be second tho on season last 5 mins ranking. The good thing of server issues fucking your PvP, is that alot of ppl also get fucked to make a difference down the road

[sterile bluff]

i love how everyone here just assumes they can win every fight XD

[ionic magnet]

you'll get there

[light crystal]

Well, when you can average out 3 resets per season, you know u got a decent team

[ionic magnet]

im still fine with this recent fk up cos it never happened before

now if it happens again..

[light crystal]

Yay for server issues https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/576544329200435206/694368896324599858/yyy.JPG

Top place didn't even manage to break 80, u know it was bad lel

[sterile bluff]

i need a decent team ._.

[light crystal]

They're probably adding this to the Core Shop, if they're also adding the gold F4U Corsairs https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/High_Performance_Fire_Control_Radar

Should make it easier for newer players as well

[sterile bluff]

noice

[forest lake]

Dis Excield actually exists here

[light crystal]

Oh you're that noob that placed first :v

Where you at 85 or something before dwindling down to 79?

[forest lake]

Ye

Pretty surprising I could've hit 80+ in the first place cuz I don't sandbag as hard

[light crystal]

I ended up eating 4-5 9's in a row myself cuz bad RNG at the end, even tho I waited till late lol

I was busy trying to get SP done asap on last hour haha

[forest lake]

I somehow ate a +9 mid season when I fought rank 1

Could've been +12

Very scuffed season

[light crystal]

Well, I straight up missed 4 matches each worth at 15 points each, so I'm happy enough with how I did at the end

[forest lake]

This season looks like another 2.56k for me 1 bonus last reset

[light crystal]

Well, it's highly dependent on how everyone else is doing on the server anyway, so all you can do is just try to get it as high as possible lol

[empty grove]

Then wait till last minute for everyone to push & miss a match

[hot creek]

stall into next season

its the stylish thing to do

[shell heron]

I should dig up my screenshot. I checked the last minute before reset because I was awake

But it was bad. Didn't even break 2590

[jagged steppe]

will sever go maint?

[hot creek]

what the hell, georgia missing an mgm.

she doesnt even get compensated for it properly

[vague token]

she always only had mgm+1

she gets 165 efficiency and a 2nd damage booster skill on top of siren killer is why

20% vs big gun ships

[hot creek]

meh

[vague token]

also note that it works on her barrage

georgia is a specialist

not a general use bb

spread reduction too on main gun

all to slam as much gun damage onto a bb as possible basically

[smoky elk]

She's a huh

[forest lake]

in knights?

Disgrace

[ionic magnet]

there we go

+5

[forest lake]

[empty owl]

Is there any way I can improve Monarch

[light crystal]

Use FDG gun, Chapgun/Seattlegun and Rudder instead of SG.

[empty owl]

I don't have FDG gun

[hot creek]

do you have Nepgun?

[empty owl]

Not yet

Oh wait what is that?

[hot creek]

pr1 gun https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_152mm_(BL_6"_Mk_XXV_Prototype)

or pr2 seattle gun https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_152mm_(6"/47_Mk_17_DP_Prototype) but i assume you dont have this

[empty owl]

I gave that to Warspite

My 3 back line

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

give WS a rudder if you can.

[empty owl]

Ok

But what about Monarch

[hot creek]

looks fine to me

well, with your current equipment limits, that is

[sterile bluff]

wait i thought hood gun is better on monarch for pvp

cuz dem barrage parade o_O

[zenith tundra]

she is using that

[hot creek]

fdg gun strikes a better balance between shelling damage and barrage procs imo

but he doesnt have that

[zenith tundra]

imo depends whatever u focus dmg or split monarch and ws

[sterile bluff]

but dem barrage 😢

barrage is awesome

shelling tbh is ehh

[zenith tundra]

there is no reason to use fdg gun if u want to melt down someone with just monarch

[sterile bluff]

i think both hood gun and fdg gun works

if u already have ws or someone with strong shelling maybe use hoodgun on monarch

[hot creek]

you get more out of shelling damage since warspite HMS aiming skill

https://puu.sh/FrCdZ/8cc2d280dc.png worth the trade off

being able to fire off proc a couple extra seconds early is not worth losing out on the shelling damage

tighter spread on fdg gun as well, nice bonus

[zenith tundra]

from my prospective i don't think ws should really need help killing anyone by herself but i'm used to 457 dmg. in that case more shelling dmg would just be wasted tbh

[empty owl]

I guess it can't hurt to experiment

[zenith tundra]

with qe buff too i feel like u could just kill stuff way more easily with just ws. i'm close to finally be able to test qe in pvp

[empty owl]

The get Dido and make her even better

[jagged steppe]

is double whiteshell good?

!

losing 20 accuracy for 55 fire powar

[vague token]

sounds like a waste

[zenith tundra]

u lose more evasion then it's worth

[empty owl]

@jagged steppe so far with Warspite it's worked out really well because of her already high accuracy and her skill that buffs it

[empty owl]

Um at least from my experience

[ionic magnet]

no its never worth to skip an eva gear especially with warspite having high acc already

[zenith tundra]

this seems the way to go but need to find actual good opponents

[ripe latch]

[jagged steppe]

[hot creek]

QE doujin translated

[jagged steppe]

[whole terrace]

@zenith tundra How would u equip the backline? Without HPFCR and the 457

[zenith tundra]

just switch 457 to triple 410 and hsfcr to sg or white shell

i'm "testing"it but still haven't found decent opponents

[whole terrace]

ty

I feel like the 406mk6's shots go everywhere with QE so i've been experimenting with the triple 410 and the twin 410 / twin 406 on her

Because of the spread

[zenith tundra]

that's one problem with triple guns in pvp. i'm still convinced that mk6 is better then twin 406 for a non barrage bb tho

[whole terrace]

ok i'll keep playing around with it

[vague token]

yoink got my cuda dive

wish i could have another

[lament lichen]

Lol we got more stuff in core shop

[zenith tundra]

en didn't get this tho. too bad

[vague token]

=/

[zenith tundra]

just how... against a namaryuu

dido more dmg then qe

[forest lake]

Noob QE

[frail orbit]

QE as AR confirmed

[ionic magnet]

QE in 2020

[zenith tundra]

she might be worth using just to buff dido then

[zenith tundra]

dido actually feels tanky with this setup, like almost keeping up with azuma hp and sometimes even having more hp. if her dmg is consistently good this might actually be a good comp

[whole terrace]

I thought boilers were normally preferable for most vg?

[forest lake]

You usually don't need more than 3

Otherwise the speed would make you go too fast and get hit by stuff you supposedly dodged instead

[whole terrace]

even with Azuma?

[forest lake]

You can try to fit another boiler in but Ykkz needs FE, Azuma needs Rudder and Juneau needs Pearl

So it just makes it 3 boilers (2+1 gyro)

[zenith tundra]

past 3-4 boilers ur juneau doesn't die consistently anymore

which hurts more then it helps

and even with speed ur ships will stop from time to time so u might still get hit in which case some other defensive item is preferable

[lapis bolt]

[upper sparrow]

see, dido is actually good on pvp

[zenith tundra]

seems ok so far. still need to see against strong defensive comps

[upper sparrow]

but yeah at least dido comp formidable againt formidable/enty-centaur strat (no pun intended ), it hurt to not have amagi/nagato or maxed monarch like me

[whole terrace]

can i get help gearing my HMS waifu team?

I've been testing stuff and can't decide what's best

[elder crane]

Sure, but they're probably all taking standard loadouts

[whole terrace]

Yeah nvm actually just a bit fussy atm

[zenith tundra]

u have to test against different comps too. there can be difference in results against same exact team just because of their equipment

[lapis bolt]

You have to understand the amount of big brains to use Taihou in PvP

Just reset until all 3 skills procs

???

Profit!

[upper sparrow]

[lapis bolt]

The people who still uses Akaga in PvP are the smallest bren in the entire game

[upper sparrow]

isnt namaryuu too

[lapis bolt]

We now have Warkai and all kinds of snipers and bigg tankk ships at the frontline, Akaga is just there for memes at this point

In fact, saying it now

Best PVP build in the game is triple frontline DD with boiler + beaver squad

[upper sparrow]

floof memes

[lapis bolt]

gotta go fass

You think I am memeing until you realize that the frontline ships will literally facetorp the backline, and then retreat beyond your own backline, screwing up the first shot of Warkai's skill activation

This is Lv1000 big broen gameplay at work rn

[ionic magnet]

no juneau/10

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

wow 3 dd best food for formi and cent

[elder crane]

You mean, food for anyone with damage

My Azuma will enjoy popping all of them
And facing Aurora will obviously be suffering

[empty owl]

I definitely underestimated Dido when she first came out but she's definitely worth it on a PvP team

[ripe latch]

@elder crane my corp ready for azuma@30dev

[zenith tundra]

if u don't have azuma u are not ready for azuma... it's so easy to lose vg to even an azuma that is not dev 30. when i was testing earlier against azuma nep yukikaze defense without azuma i lost vg battle around 30% of the time using noshiro or yukikaze with dido juneau

[ionic magnet]

thats only cos youre using triple BB meme

[zenith tundra]

sure i lose vg battle with amagi dead in 20s and a lvl 116 hiryuu

both unoathed

[ionic magnet]

1 nagato barrage and your VG loses half hp

[zenith tundra]

what does have to do with 3bb setup again?

[forest lake]

Don't have to worry about a barrage that never procs

[ionic magnet]

compared to your BBs missing everywhere

[zenith tundra]

u'll lose even with 3 cv at that point

[ionic magnet]

youre comparing VG fight no?

except yours has p much no help while namaryu is doing their thing

[zenith tundra]

what backline can help vg before or at the same time with nagato barrages 16s in?

cv in any case not unless u think foxes aren't memes

and again i never lost vg battle with azuma in same conditions

[ionic magnet]

16s for what

[zenith tundra]

that doesn't change the equation

[ionic magnet]

you just need to get same help if you wanna compare VG fights

[zenith tundra]

if ur point is u need backline help i tell u that azuma didn't lose with same 0 help u talk about in around 20 resets

i lost without her like 2-3 consecutive vg battles using yuki or noshiro

instead of azuma

it's about vg because azuma is a vg ship that doesn't need help to win vg battle

[empty owl]

I think the CV meda is dying with more ships getting better AA

[ionic magnet]

no im just saying be consistent when youre comparing VG fights

so its more accurate

[frail orbit]

laugh in namagi bad AA

[zenith tundra]

more consistent then not losing in 20 consecutive matches with azuma and losing even once with yukikaze or noshiro u don't get

and in way fewer attempts and even consecutive losses of vg battle

idk what u don't see as not consistent

[empty owl]

I learned that PvP isn't about the ships so much as the equipment you give them

[karmic forum]

Its also about the ships

The amount of viable ships in PvP is a lot lower compared to PvE

[zenith tundra]

equip is important for sure but once u equip something with their bis u get to see differences in between ships

[empty owl]

😅 I guess I worded that wrong I know some ships matter but I meant like you can have the best ships but if they have bad equipment or synergy it doesn't matter

[zenith tundra]

i think u cannot do pvp properly (without resetting a lot) without good equipment

doesn't matter if it is vg or backlines

[ionic magnet]

if u don't have azuma u are not ready for azuma... it's so easy to lose vg to even an azuma that is not dev 30. when i was testing earlier against azuma nep yukikaze defense without azuma i lost vg battle around 30% of the time using noshiro or yukikaze with dido juneau
this
if you wanna test something you want to keep other things constant as much as possible no? else its not fully accurate
so in this case better use same backline cos how can you say that you're losing VG fights exclusively cos of azuma (or lack of azuma)
when triple BB shells are so random then theres nagato barrage and other stuff

theres just so much rng if youre using a different lineup that you cant just say its only cos of azuma

sure you did 20 resets but you get my point

[zenith tundra]

so u are saying a <5% chance of something going wrong badly is same as a 30% chance with other ships...

[empty owl]

Well I don't think you can ever get a perfect test because of how random PvP can be

[zenith tundra]

just the fact that i lost even 1 more in less attempts proves that azuma is better at winning vg over noshiro/yuki in the same exact comp

as much as u can say rng is rng u also have to account for the % too

[ionic magnet]

Well I don't think you can ever get a perfect test because of how random PvP can be
yep thats why you wanna get as close as possible

[zenith tundra]

how many attempts is enough? since 20 is actually low... we used to compare % on 10 attempts btw

[ionic magnet]

i mean i lost 3x straight before then proceeded to win 20 straight fights

im not even talking about number of attempts

its your fleet comp

[zenith tundra]

ok so what do i have to say? azuma wins vg more in case of 3 bb backlines vs noshiro/yukikaze?

3 bb will soon be even more meta with fdg

[ionic magnet]

yea idk anymore

[zenith tundra]

one more thing nagato barrages barely scratch azuma even without armor just because her insane hp pool. u don't see nagato barraging amagi for 100% hp and since azuma and amagi have similar armor and hp u can understand that

[zenith tundra]

same old qe seems

dido doesn't seem to change much for her

but i do have to say that with ws just demolishing stuff by herself there isn't much left for the others

[ripe latch]

@elder crane better play vs this

[upper sparrow]

pure meme

[ionic magnet]

whats the bis fleet power for namaryuu again?

[elder crane]

it's like 14.5k or so?

depends on exact equip choices too

[ionic magnet]

mm ig ill find another one

[elder crane]

nonoath

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

[ripe latch]

oath = 100% win

[elder crane]

Idk what the non-oath max fleet power is

[ionic magnet]

rood

[ripe latch]

stonks

[elder crane]

not even dev 20

[ionic magnet]

@zenith tundra have you tried replacing qe with kgv
i remember thats the comp i wanted to test before when warkai comes but i kinda forgot about it cos formi came

[zenith tundra]

one day when i'll level up kgv i guess...

took me from dido event till now to level her and qe to a good enough level for pvp

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i only farm events pretty much so yeah i'm slow on leveling up stuff

[ionic magnet]

i cant find any decent fleets rn

oh well

[zenith tundra]

u don't expect this to be any good for tests

at this point even an unoatherd namaryuu is a good find for me lol

[ionic magnet]

yea early season be like

my mikasa amagi suruga meme is almost done too

[zenith tundra]

0 dmg meme?

[ionic magnet]

i havent seen any mikasa in pvp at all

did you guys even level her

[zenith tundra]

i use my lvl 80 mikasa to buff kaga bb and hyuuga in w10hm. that's the best thing i can say about her

[ionic magnet]

good ill take over pvp when she gets her retro

[zenith tundra]

we'll see yamato before that for sure

if they release more ur retro chances are is printz for kms or most likely takao for ijn

[empty owl]

Is this our newPvP meda

[zenith tundra]

as cute as the skin is i'm not leveling that up

[empty owl]

:p

Sorry I had to make the dumb joke

[past egret]

We’ve ascended

I was wishing it was a retrofit

Tier 1 bulin retrofit bulin that’s viable in pvp

[zenith tundra]

[karmic forum]

All this event has gotten me to do is lock a bulin.

[midnight heron]

amagi server nani

[zenith tundra]

new server. time to start from 0

it was time to have a new server considering overloading problems with current ones

[ripe latch]

true pvp without event ships

[zenith tundra]

till next event that is ce

u know that already from the server name

washington was opened around fw so it would make sense that next event is ce

[ripe latch]

want ashigara , think not bad active
Every 20 seconds, 30% (70%) to launch a special barrage; also increases own Firepower by 10% (20%) and damage dealt to Cruisers by 10% (20%) for 10 seconds.

[zenith tundra]

that seems like something if it wouldn't be on a torp ca

[elder crane]

or if the barrage was good

or if the ship it was on had base Myoukou class stats instead of nerfed survivability for whatever fricken reason

[ripe latch]

https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/2/24/bib1kgkfg6seaywhklal6yb42sec7ke.gif

[zenith tundra]

seems like ashigara traded defensive stats for offensive ones

[ripe latch]

and can get nyagato buff

[zenith tundra]

that barrage in pvp can completely miss vg if u consider the random pathing

[elder crane]

that's... not a good barrage

it's not even that good damage if it hits

it's base 20 damage a shell

that's destroyer levels

[zenith tundra]

20 lol

[ripe latch]

8% burn chance.

[elder crane]

looks massive, same size as like big 7 shells... and then does 20 base damage

that's same fire chance as CA shells

[ripe latch]

barrage just for ignite

[elder crane]

it doesn't even make up for her not having MGM+1

????
how is a 8% ignite barrage good for fires

even if you hit 2, that's 15.5% or so to refresh

[zenith tundra]

u want vg fire there is azuma

[ripe latch]

100% burn chance

[sour oasis]

Other than FdG and Azuma, any DR ships to prioritize researching over Izumo and Ibuki?

[zenith tundra]

u mean PR ships for pvp?

if so monarch would be next best after the 2 dr. ibuki and nep are also somewhat usable too

gorgia seems viable in pvp but no synergies means that there usually are better choices then her

[vague token]

use intrepid for 100% armor break ;)

;))))

see that azuma?

she's dead

[zenith tundra]

does she even work on azuma?

it only says bb bc and bbv

[ripe latch]

kekw azumaboys

[sour oasis]

So not counting Azuma and FdG, none of the PR2 ships are better or worse than Izumo and Ibuki?

[zenith tundra]

the others are called pr ships. dr are only azuma and fdg

pr2 not really tbh

[sour oasis]

But how else do you differentiate between Georgia/Kitakaze/etc and Neptune/Monarch /etc

PR gen 1 and PR gen 2.

[zenith tundra]

georgia only if u want to use her. kita has no survivability and settle no utility since there are no planes

[sour oasis]

I might as well finish researching PR gen 1 then.

[zenith tundra]

gascogne barrage is not meant for burst damage so i don't think she is good in pvp

pr1 and pr2 are usually called if u want to differentiate

on the other side both dr can be used in pretty much any team tbh so it kind of offsets the other 3 not being relevant for pvp

[zenith tundra]

will this people move? wasted 5 refreshes to avoid lvl 80 people and ended up with a worse list somehow

[vague token]

oof

[shell heron]

not sure. they might move eventually

[zenith tundra]

F

[sterile bluff]

crap...

i think i missed some pvp attempts...

when r the recharge times?

midnight, and when else?

fuck me

is there still hope?

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

resets are at server times 12am 12pm and 6pm

reset was 20min ago

[vague token]

if you didnt get the weekly exercises you probably missed some

[sterile bluff]

ok shit i just missed the 12pm reset

D:

whatever it's not like ill actually place high anyways

[ripe latch]

gold plate + ihr on hiryuu

[sterile bluff]

if non of my opponents are progressing to a higher rank should i refresh or just wait?

[shell heron]

up to you. you have a chance of refreshing into a worse list

[sterile bluff]

D:

ok ill play it safe then

ok how does lv advantage work in pvp? I find that if I fight a lv 120 ship with a lv 115 ship the dmg i deal significantly decreases

[karmic forum]

You're dealing 10% less damage and taking 10% more damage essentially

[sterile bluff]

only dealing 10% less?

my dmg gets cut in half wtf

[vague token]

dont forget the hit rate adjustments

you dodge 5% less and hit 5% less

[sterile bluff]

wdym

im talking about when it does hit i look at the numbers and it's legit like slightly over half of the dmg i do on a lower lv ship

[ionic magnet]

new server

amagi rerun soon?

[karmic forum]

Are you guys going to create a smurf?

[ionic magnet]

idk i dont see any point for that

[karmic forum]

Some people do it though.

The timing makes me think that some major events are in store.

[ionic magnet]

or you know april fools

[karmic forum]

Doubt its an april fools thing

[eager cedar]

alting in al has zero benefits what so ever

theres legit zero point unless you love al

[karmic forum]

Or you're addicted to gatcha

[eager cedar]

youre better off playing a different kusoge at that point

[ionic magnet]

ig starting in new server is better for peeps that are competitive and dont wanna deal with old ppl that has everything already

also imagine pvp there

enty 1v1s again lmao

but highly doubt its legit

[shell heron]

back to the old meta when we have enty duels and eldridge actually surviving past 20s

[ripe latch]

oh , farm 3-4

[sterile bluff]

omg we getting amagi rerun?

plsplsplsplsplsplspls

[shell heron]

more like a new server called amagi

[sterile bluff]

one can always hope

[sour oasis]

Wait. What new server. Can't be in EN. They can't deal with the ones they already have.

[sterile bluff]

which is why they r adding another one XD

we have too few servers in EN

[elder crane]

I wonder if they'll shut Avrora and Sandy to new accounts

like they've done with some CN/JP overfull servers

[sterile bluff]

idec i just want amagi XD

she is my ticket to heaven in pvp

[karmic forum]

My guess would be that there isn't enough of a difference between the populations of EN servers to warrant making any of them exclusive

Also not enough servers in general

[tough dirge]

ay

i just lost my season by not paying attention

and being defeated

[shell heron]

it was announced today so doubt everything

but if it's real. I might play it just to play enty meta again

[zenith tundra]

they already shut avrora and sandy to new accounts

[karmic forum]

It says they're busy

Does that mean the same thing as closed?

[zenith tundra]

also u do realize that is amagi meta from the bat due to ce rerun lol

[karmic forum]

And probably whatever other broken rerun ships they'll release

Once you remove Amagi from the equation you'll realize that CE doesn't really have much star power.

[zenith tundra]

i would guess amakaga will be best comp for a while there lol

[karmic forum]

Probably

[zenith tundra]

till nagato rerun and namaryuu lol

[karmic forum]

Although you'd be able to use Amagi + Kaga BB + Hiryuu kai off the bat

Which might be a contender

[zenith tundra]

i did play something similar it was good at lvl 110

if the new server really starts with amagi rerun rip any diversity from our metas... it would be more fun if that didn't happen

i don't think is an april fools. en really needs mew servers

i might just try playing there

[karmic forum]

Yeah I guess this is one of their solutions to the server problems

[jagged steppe]

yesterday i missed one

and today Iwake up 5min too late

[zenith tundra]

@shell heron u mean eldridge meta not enty meta

[shell heron]

I don't mind that all

[zenith tundra]

back to 5% rng resets

nice

[sterile bluff]

but we're not even sure if we r actually getting amagi rerun at this point right?

[zenith tundra]

it's not 100% but washington server was around fw rerun version

[sterile bluff]

so u r saying there's a chance we getting amagi

[zenith tundra]

plus ce is definitely next major event rerun we need to have

[uneven barn]

Why does EN need new servers though? Pop or something else?

[zenith tundra]

overload on current servers

[sterile bluff]

i mean i want essex event but u said rerun so...

i want amagi too

[jagged steppe]

they give you essex's imouto instead

[zenith tundra]

timeline wise should be ce->wc->essex air drills

[sterile bluff]

with amagi i can finally do monarch warspite amagi comp hehe

wait shit don't have her sword

nvm ill still suck

false alarm

[zenith tundra]

lol

[sterile bluff]

I NEED HER SWORD!

her sword is the ultimate power!

[jagged steppe]

[zenith tundra]

if there really is ce rerun for that server is amagi meta day 0

[sterile bluff]

hold on what's wc?

[zenith tundra]

winter crown

[sterile bluff]

oh

what about nagato rerun?

should be soon as well

[zenith tundra]

yeah kind of

Air Raid Drills with Essex Feb 28th 2019 - Mar 7th 2019
Ink-stained Steel Sakura Rerun Mar 28th 2019 - Apr 18th 2019

so it should be definitely essex before nagato

[jagged steppe]

it en server

anything is possible

[zenith tundra]

the times are off due to new events but they do follow some kind of chronological order even in en

[sterile bluff]

hold on...

essex raids never happened...

on EN

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[sterile bluff]

u r saying it happend on feb 28 2019?

nani?

[jagged steppe]

its other server

[zenith tundra]

it's for jp-cn

[sterile bluff]

oh yea

right

they got it but we didn't

[zenith tundra]

if ce rerun soon i can see pr3 soon too. i guess they pushed new events a lot so now that we get actual new content they can just rerun events

[sterile bluff]

i freaking hate these new events, all the staff saying they prioritize newer events but literally all the meta ships and t0 ships r in older events

smfh

[zenith tundra]

just looking at the vent schedule last major event rerun for jp was iris and that was forever ago

[sterile bluff]

...

so things r looking grim?

[zenith tundra]

nah a lot of events got retired or already rerun once so jp and cn needed new stuff

[sterile bluff]

but en tho...

all im saying is if they want new stuff then sure but if they don't give us better ships wtf r we supposed to do?

[zenith tundra]

yeah en is so behind in reruns idk how they plan to catch up with those

more broken stuff isn't that fun tho tbh

[sterile bluff]

well maybe not for u

but for a noob like me

[high bay]

they could do overlapping events like the saratoga skin event along the previous small event and current big event

[sterile bluff]

idec how they wanna overlap or do whatever, all i care about is we actually get the events

[zenith tundra]

the problem with more broken stuff is that will make even less ships viable. with fdg around it's much harder already to decide to use for example full hms when u can just put 3 broken ships and just win without problems

[high bay]

recently we got quite a few skin events

[sterile bluff]

ik the ramifications of continuously adding broken stuff, but for a noob like me who literally has no meta ships i obviously want either reruns with good ships or new events with good ships

like idc if it's from an old event or new event all i care about is that I get good stuff XD

[high bay]

yea i feel that

when i was a complete noob

[sterile bluff]

ikr bro

[high bay]

i wanted a lot of meta ships

[sterile bluff]

life is sad without essex

[high bay]

now after months

i got a few meta ships

[sterile bluff]

i mean i played for months but ok

[high bay]

courtesy of events

[zenith tundra]

essex even meta in pvp like at all

[sterile bluff]

i just want essex UwU

she's good and fake tsundere waifu

[high bay]

and i might have missed out on getting bismarck when i started

[sterile bluff]

bro u have no idea how many good events i missed when i started

[zenith tundra]

u lost nothing without bismark

[sterile bluff]

i lost noshiro, ryuuhou, formi, zara, spitesword, sandymic, amagi, nagato, etc...

oh and centaur cuz i missed like so many wishing wells

[ionic magnet]

welcome to amagi server then

[sterile bluff]

D:

[zenith tundra]

actually if u just started u can actually play pvp for real from 0

since no one has anything better

[sterile bluff]

i started in maid event

which is like a few months ago

aaaaaaaand i still have nothing after all this time

zack wdym "no one has anything better"

literally every opponent is like....

god mode

[ionic magnet]

he meant on new server

[sterile bluff]

uhh... i can't join new server or else ill lose all my progress

[ionic magnet]

all players started from scratch too dont worry

[zenith tundra]

either that or complain about reruns

[sterile bluff]

ok

ill complain about reruns

🙂

[jagged steppe]

im new player i dont complain about rerun

[sterile bluff]

D:

[jagged steppe]

its not like i gonna die next 1 year anyway

kappa

[sterile bluff]

i mean we might die cuz of corona

[jagged steppe]

did I just trigger deathflag

[zenith tundra]

just don't exit ur room and u'll be fine

[sterile bluff]

i still want guuud shipus UwU

[zenith tundra]

u just have to wait... imagine starting on a new en server when jp already had their nagato and want to actually have good ships instead of enty

[sterile bluff]

i hate enty 😠

even tho i have her

[zenith tundra]

i meant when i started

[sterile bluff]

what happened when u started?

[zenith tundra]

read above

[sterile bluff]

oh i see what u mean now

welp i mean...