pvp

[vague token]

nope 1780

oh wait 3 star

i can get it

one sec

i dont understand why this is designed for intrepid

who has 0 flood interactions

like what drunk bunny brain was this made for

in game says bb bc bbv only

in fact the damage boost doesnt work on bbv

it says 3% on bb and bc only

why is it excluding the damage amp on bbv

im so confused

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

is it EN tl being pepega again?

[ionic magnet]

you guys ignored that guy up there

@cinder crater anyways you prolly just reached the limits of your meme fleet

care to show us your gears?

hmm not sure what to say on new plane tbh
its p much a tradeoff and well i would always give bonus pts in cuda for crash dmg consistency

[vague token]

i mean with 300 crash and 337 base, it might not be

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea i'll test it first when i get it

[vague token]

i just bought it

xD

[ionic magnet]

its slower by a bit too so idk if that will be an issue

[vague token]

if only we had cuda dive

i could make up the crash difference

;)

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

sortable table for crash when

i find it very odd that crash damage is based on plane class/chassis

where the cuda fighter at

reeee

[ionic magnet]

wait flood only works on BB/BC/BBV

and its 60% chance to proc

[cinder crater]

@ionic magnet my gears?

Anyway it wasn't a meme fleet, those are the best ships I have lol

[ionic magnet]

yea thought so

its fine

maybe we can optimize your gears more so yea

[vague token]

so easiest one is dont use double shell bbs in pvp

warspite is allowed white shell and a defense aux

most other bbs are either double sg or sg/rudder

[shy hazel]

spicy meme

better than kiro

[ionic magnet]

just realized you prolly dont have the bis gears also anyway

best advise is to just refresh or fight other peeps first

[cinder crater]

Yeah I only have 3 pr rudders

[vague token]

ah

[cinder crater]

I do have a gold Ryuusei but it's on centaur and I don't feel like swapping gears

[vague token]

yeah that's fair

[ionic magnet]

2 CAs gimps your VG speed quite a bit and needs rudders that your BBs can use more

[jagged steppe]

it seems you play alot longer than me,how did you not getting all your gear +10

[cinder crater]

I could, but I like to hoard plates

[jagged steppe]

[cinder crater]

And I guess my logic was that having everyone with +7 or +8 is better than having one ship with +10 gear and the others only have +5

[ionic magnet]

anyways just prepare boilers staag seattle guns avgas and more rudders

[cinder crater]

Avgas?

[ionic magnet]

from core shop

[jagged steppe]

core data gas

[cinder crater]

Oh the core data thing

[ionic magnet]

and beacon

[cinder crater]

I have 2100 cores rn

And also I think the reason I beat that guy was because Juneau ate yukikaze's torps and the beginning and died real quick

So pearl tears didn't do much

[vague token]

rng + defender disadvantage makes it so even non-optimized teams can win

[ionic magnet]

oh right wheres your pearls tears

[vague token]

it just takes a lot of fights sometimes

[cinder crater]

I've been meaning to get pearl tears but I just don't wanna level those ships lmao

And who would I put it on

[ionic magnet]

lead VG or mid VG

both works

the first ones to die basically

whos thiccer zara or roon

[zenith tundra]

what's zara luck?

[ionic magnet]

75

[zenith tundra]

zara

[vague token]

muh auto shields

[ionic magnet]

so lead zara?

mid roon

ykkz at the back

[cinder crater]

Zara is "thiccer" because Roon only dev28

[zenith tundra]

the problem with shields is they don't block what actually kills a slow vg... bb shoots and cv bombs

[cinder crater]

What's the meta vanguard rn

[ionic magnet]

juneau ykkz + flex

[cinder crater]

Azuma?

[ionic magnet]

can be

tho recommended only when shes d25 or higher

[zenith tundra]

juneau noshiro yukikaze or if u have azuma at a good dev level juneau azuma noshiro/yukikaze

[ionic magnet]

useable at d20 but not really better than other botes imo

[zenith tundra]

not without nagato yeah

[ionic magnet]

yea

[cinder crater]

How much better is a dev30 Roon than a dev29 one

[vague token]

barrage upgrade

the efficiency boost is pretty small

but the barrage is strong

8 shots instead of 12

[zenith tundra]

in pve quite a bit due to barrage and higher efficiencies. for pvp most likely a small damage boost

[vague token]

it's more of it pushes the barrage timing earlier

[keen sparrow]

gg i forget many match

[vague token]

im just ignoring it

xD

[zenith tundra]

u can actually do pvp

servers seems to be ok rn

[vague token]

i mean i dont have a ton of incentive

so ill just take this season off

[zenith tundra]

whatever just extra merit at this point

[vague token]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

im just finding a good fleet to test with

[forest lake]

not even close to reset time and got a +4 in total already

[hot creek]

yeah ive been getting free +1's constantly. shits whack.

[midnight heron]

server on fire again

[finite valve]

mother fucking shit

i was playing like normal

and they have to update the game

now iam lock out of the server

fuck this shit

[midnight heron]

ikr lul y didnt they just postpone the update till after reset

[empty grove]

I felt it going to shit

I aint going back to the homescreen

[hot creek]

its rewind (rollback) time

[empty grove]

Screencapped all my BP today

0 faith

[sour oasis]

All servers hit

[hot creek]

time to lose another charge

[midnight heron]

wow all servers nani

[hot creek]

cant hold all this spaghetti

[midnight heron]

inb4 ships die in dorm again

[hot creek]

I wonder if my charge will get rolled back

[empty grove]

Good thing I went to 1/10

[hot creek]

i tried going from 2/10 to 1/10 with that match

[finite valve]

wonder wtf they using ppl money for if they ain't using it to upgrade the server

bunch of money stealer

[sour oasis]

My list always had someone in top 15. That was always a free +4.

[midnight heron]

[empty grove]

Tbh

I doubt most people will even hit top 10

[sour oasis]

@finite valve perri-air

[midnight heron]

i been rushing ever since server exploded

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

I got like +7 today

From getting paired with people glitched out a few times

[sour oasis]

No regulars will AotN, but fighting a top 10 while in top-1000 is a free point boost

[hot creek]

I can hit top 10 this reset if I rush

[sour oasis]

If you log in

[hot creek]

first time ive had to actually "gensui" rush in awhile

[empty grove]

There's 5 people who are really fucking high up on avrora

[sour oasis]

Just 5?

[empty grove]

Like 100+ points on rank 6

Yeah

I only saw 5 when I checked

[sour oasis]

I swear it was like 8 an hour ago.

[empty grove]

It was like 2191 or something vs 2280

A gap like that

[sour oasis]

Yup

[empty grove]

I checked around 3 hours ago

So that could be

[sour oasis]

[empty grove]

Loading screen on each tile movement

Guess i'll go make coffee

[blazing scroll]

So they announced that they upgraded the servers and it is still not working properly

[midnight heron]

at dis point its prob more of not having a queue system to prevent everyone logging in at the same time

[empty grove]

They do have a que

I saw it on Lex like 3 days back

[midnight heron]

yea but an occasional sighting doesnt mean shit tbf

doesnt even work for majority of ppl

[empty grove]

It means that it exists

[blazing scroll]

🍝 code

[empty grove]

It just doesn't work

I laughed when someone said it was probably faked before

[sour oasis]

No, they skipped maintenance on Sandy to apply a patch to all servers.

[zenith tundra]

fuck that patch... i was in and now locked on login again

[ionic magnet]

the moment they announced they already sent compensation

servers got bonked again

[upper sparrow]

woah more apologems for sandy and avrora

[shy hazel]

so,zack

did u get all

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

nope

still missing reno from build after almost 200 cubes

told u to do ur pulls because my luck sucks

[hot creek]

welp so much for gensui rushing

[vague token]

you get booted?

[hot creek]

yeah, awhile ago

oh, back in PogChamp

welp, victory screen just hangs

[dry agate]

what does sandbagging mean

[hot creek]

waiting for you opponent to do their matches before you attack them

cause you get extra points that way

[dry agate]

I just refresh for higher ranked ppl
but guess sandbagging works at the end of a season

[midnight heron]

nice game got the white screen bug so i had to restart game and now cant login again

[hot creek]

every match i win it boots me but im slowly gaining points

slowly but surely

[young mulch]

my game shows me at rank 11 with 0 points

[midnight heron]

so u reveal urself hacker

[hot creek]

we did it, reddit

[midnight heron]

in the meantime still cant login

fk dis shit im out mm mm

[coral wren]

[static gull]

another sandy player

[hot creek]

hope this doesnt rollback

fdg proj behind it

[coral wren]

I'ma log out so u can take my spot halo

[hot creek]

u gon get face torped

[coral wren]

My butt was clenched

she actually won this gamble LOL

last time enty failed me

[hot creek]

imagine if charges were rollbacked or if we had anotehr long maintenance again. Hiro would be r1

[coral wren]

Just noticed that my score was 2230 but top 1 shows 2238

this pvp season is cursed

well I missed 10 ticks and barely got here

they can at least let me have admiral reward

[hot creek]

look forward to even more

[midnight heron]

im waiting for event point compensation for dis mess

[midnight heron]

missed 3x daily, missed sp, missed daily mission

[jagged steppe]

I misses x6 x2 = x12

[static gull]

[jagged steppe]

[midnight heron]

managed to get in but was already down 15 charges so not even possible to aotn

[static gull]

close the game

[midnight heron]

and risk not getting back in

jk i close it long ago cuz ik its not gonna resolve itself

[finite valve]

maint in about 26 min anyway

[upper sparrow]

26 hour

[static gull]

who said 62 hour

[midnight heron]

they raised the death flag when they announced no maint previously

[jagged steppe]

they give advanced compensation as deathflag

[upper sparrow]

death flag-ing the deathflag

[finite valve]

8 more min and then good bye server

[zenith tundra]

wtf more maint.. if at least they would fix servers already in one of these

[finite valve]

well the only way to "fix" server issue like overloading and such are either upgrade it

or delete inactive acc

[upper sparrow]

or migrating user acc to another server

[finite valve]

i might just move to lex or wash

but hey at least got free gem

[zenith tundra]

a new server would be even better tbh

[finite valve]

fake maint again i see

i still in server

[frail orbit]

Whatever

Still against not keeping my 6 staag on avrora smhw

Like how

Last time I kinda rush for research

It was for that
Alongside nod d30 rush

[finite valve]

got roll back?

[frail orbit]

Nope

Not on my ships at least

[finite valve]

well back to farming i guess

[jagged steppe]

why would a new player start at avrora?

is it overloading because new player playing the game or old player returning to play the game after watching anime?

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if the maint is only on login server

[empty grove]

[midnight heron]

better not logout to test

[empty grove]

I already tried

I could still login

[zenith tundra]

lol

[empty grove]

Lemme try again

I got in

Logged into R8

[jagged steppe]

so thje maint is a lie righjt?

[hot creek]

schrodinger's maintenance

[keen sparrow]

well i miss like 45 charge

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/693394456786894868/unknown.png

these are the people that are working on servers btw

adding random ships to builds for no reason

[frail orbit]

Well

So does that Swiftie, right?
On JP

[zenith tundra]

taihou wasn't added to other servers

while swiftsure was added to cn too

it says is a mistake can u read pls

....

[frail orbit]

Thought she was added too on CN JP tho

[zenith tundra]

she is but that's not the point tbh...

tldr i don't expect after this that en servers will ever be fixed if they just randomly make mistakes like this

i mean sure they just added ships without announcing since en patch notes are a total meme tbh

any player that knows cn could tl those much better then who tf is doing en patch notes

[hot creek]

somehow im still playing on sandy

and the connection is great, no lag at all lol.

[zenith tundra]

idk it's so weird they announce maint and nothing happens

[jagged steppe]

will they rollback taihou?

[zenith tundra]

no it's perma seems like they don't announce stuff

[jagged steppe]

they only add touhu

no other ship?

*taihou

[zenith tundra]

and it wasn't only en patch notes there where awful. jp didn't even have minne skin in patch notes

who knows what they forgot to announce at this point

[jagged steppe]

maybe there is something in light

just nobody building it

like sirius!

[zenith tundra]

wc is not retired so no chances

[jagged steppe]

is the new event using aviation pool right?

if I spam it I had a chance to get centaur right?

[zenith tundra]

nope

[jagged steppe]

wt

[zenith tundra]

only sr that were originally in the pool when was released can appear in limited

[jagged steppe]

oh ok

wait

did people constuct taihou cuz they do normal aviation build?

[zenith tundra]

well if u finish event build u don't need to build limited anymore

[jagged steppe]

oh ok

thx for the info

[empty grove]

I still wonder if we'll get a rate up on swiftsure, or if we'll just get the lowered pull chance from avrora pollution

[zenith tundra]

swiftsure actually took me a lot without rates up... like 2-3 months

daily builds

[empty grove]

Yeah

& we'll have an even worse chance

[zenith tundra]

i think we had sirius tho

it's still like 80% sandy anyway

[empty grove]

I don't think you had sirius

She was added like a month after w13 for JP

If I remember patch notes right

[zenith tundra]

i pulled for swiftsure from june tho

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

that's when i started playing jp

[empty grove]

Eitherway

Shaft will be given

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Recent_News/JP/2019#June_13_2019

added at the exact same time

[empty grove]

Huh

I guess we have her & avrora then

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right

oh now i remember i used wishing well on swiftsure

couldn't get her

[jagged steppe]

the server didn't go offline

but they say maint is over

[midnight heron]

did maint while keeping servers running

[inner zenith]

it's bc servers died last night

[sharp cradle]

Is Sandy kai suitable for PvP?

[blazing scroll]

I use her

[upper sparrow]

well she is usable at least again cv def fleet, but not the best again current meta

[blazing scroll]

Most people are still running cvs

[jagged steppe]

is there anything better than helldriver to clear enemy vg?

[elder crane]

No

And vs 1CV Sandykai isn't very useful

even vs 2CV it's meh

she's pretty fragile (compared to top options) vs anything that isn't from planes, and suffers from being a gunboat

[upper sparrow]

vt-18 is better than cuda on pve right? cause crash damage is useless on pve

[elder crane]

Yep, it's new default parallel TB

[vague token]

well, sandy suffers less from being a gunboat because she uses a dd gun though

xD

never losing your target lock does wonders for damage

[jagged steppe]

this game need ijn plane with infinite crash dmg

that litterly doing nothing but crash dmg

how is royal plane deal more crash dmg than ijn plane

this make no sense

why is sg radar green and hsfcr yellow

is 15 evasion better than 30 fp on warspite?

[vague token]

it is amusing that the cuda chassis has 480 crash damage on all variants

[shell heron]

Any evasion is good for main fleet ships. Having accuracy on top of it is a bonus

[frail orbit]

And not everyone has HPFCR

Otherwise it's a must on Wakai

[sour oasis]

HSFCR is just great.

[frail orbit]

Depends whether u want Wakai or Mamagi be the firestarter tho

But usually not for that purpose

U used HPFCR
On Wakai
Mainly for early snipe

VH rudder on Amagi if for me

If no Wakai then rudder+HPFCR Mamagi

[elder crane]

Well, 35 hit is the core of the equip
Then it's a choice between 15 eva and 20 FP with faster load

Warkai doesn't really benefit too much from HPFCR fast-load really
No gun barrage, not super timing critical
If anything, with mk6/410AP, HPFCR without QE is worse, since it means she fires into rudder activation timing

So 30% to have her first salvo do nothing

[frail orbit]

In that case just stack 2 SG, really

Or SG/white

Or white/rudder

[vague token]

i still use hsfcr to push the kill sooner and just take the rudder rng xD

but with 457 it isnt a problem when we get one in 3 months

[jovial sedge]

guys can i just not use yuki in fwc

[shell heron]

sure, but you're just losing one of the best ships. Mainfleet protection and hard to kill

AotN feels impossible this season after all

[frail orbit]

Ye

Just wait for 457 really

[jovial sedge]

Aotn?

I deny sakura

[vague token]

hmm essex formidable seems like fun again with flood avenger

just need the cuda dive for crash

[jovial sedge]

i wondered if Russian fleets or new Muricans could do any good pvp

[jagged steppe]

I feels like russian fleet is not completed

like need more russian ship to make them playable

[jovial sedge]

well 1 ship was

opened for us

but anywa those that are there are not viable for some pvp? and the new muricans?

or murican fleet

[jagged steppe]

american ship just released 2 days ago

nobody had lv120 and fully skilled yet

im sure people will try to figured it out later

[vague token]

was really hoping victorious had a barrage

but i forgot she only has double damage

[frail orbit]

A low chance 2x dmg at that

[vague token]

well having a barrage puts more plane hp on the screen

so a barrage is better

xD

[elder crane]

if you're using Formi/Cent with Aurora, Noshiro instead of Ykkz is an interesting option
Or perhaps Bel or Sheff?
basically you're trying to keep Aurora alive long enough to murder their vanguard with your first airstrike

[inner zenith]

i still dunno which main gun to use on WS

there's the purple one and the gold one

Z_Z

406mm vs 410mm

[jagged steppe]

either this or rainbow one

[frail orbit]

@elder crane anywayy rendar, if we used VT18/Firebrand on 4mi instead of Cuda for timing purposes, and with Cuda DB, should have make up for the loss of max crash dmg of cuda r8?

TBM 337 300crash 12.04
Firebrand 288 420crash 11.64

[elder crane]

Why Firebrand

[frail orbit]

@elder crane timing purposes, also 420 crash

Especially since I dont wanna ditch my Ryusei on Cent

4x3 aimed torps killing Nanoda

If TBM, sure the torps is better and flood and all but
Less crash dmg smhw

And if Cuda
Timing's gonna be off

[elder crane]

pretty sure cuda DB/VT-18/Albacore is fine

just adjust with beacon and stuff

[frail orbit]

No wayy for bacon tho

Need to slap my beaver there

Or PR

Rudder

[elder crane]

on Cent?

[frail orbit]

On Cent

[elder crane]

Pretty sure timing is fine either way, lemme check

[frail orbit]

Naaaaa it's 0.6 gap

Already checked it on Bombzen calc

Yesterday

If it's not visible
See this one btw ren @elder crane

[elder crane]

Oh yeah, I did run beacon/fuel on mine

[frail orbit]

124 4mi 169 cent oathed not max

[elder crane]

idk about this really
seems like a shitty idea to run firebrand > albacore
I'd much rather just give up on 831 cuda

[frail orbit]

Besides when with Cuda
The aim is not the torps, right? The crash dmg matters more

Naaaaaa not even on Alba slot

Firebrand in place of Cuda

TB Cuda

480x3 replaced by 420x3

Could also use VT18 too sure but
Would the flood actually hits em BB/C tho

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

This being parallel we're talkingg about

[elder crane]

Oh, you meant 831/VT-18/Albacore

yeah that seems reasonable

[frail orbit]

But aint 300 a bit too low tho

Even if still big smhw

[elder crane]

though I personally just put beacon on Cent
if you move her to safer side, I didn't have issues with running avgas/beacon

[frail orbit]

Still less than Cuda

[ripe latch]

3k crit in azuma

[elder crane]

floods though

~1.8k damage flood potential

[frail orbit]

Would it hit any backline tho

Sure 3x3 torps on backline

And then only 6 at most hitting BBs

And if Namaryu
Only 6 hitting backline, 4 only flooding Namagi since Hiryu being CV duh

Assuming all backline getting 2 torp hit each

[elder crane]

you can still expect at least one flood on average per strike, at least at first

suicides only do, what, 500, 600 after all the modifiers are said and done anyways?

so a flood applied is like 3 additional suicides' worth of damage

[frail orbit]

Fair enuff then

[elder crane]

so yeah, until one of Namagi dies, VT-18 is superior if it can land a flood at least 1/3 of the time or so, which it seems like it should land a flood more often than that

[frail orbit]

Timing wise exactly 2s too

Finally found the win win solution it seems

Only thing needed is now to get VT-18 and 831 ASAP

[vague token]

cuda fighter when

so we can cuda in every slot

the ultimate weapon

[limpid condor]

Would Roon, Noshiro, and Bel be good for pvp?

[vague token]

no juneau/10

[limpid condor]

Don't even have her LOL

My other choices are Eugen, Takao, and Z23

or at least, you can swap them around

with those 6, what's the best combo?

[frail orbit]

Also so ironic tbh

Using a VF and a VT on a British carrier

[limpid condor]

best bomber is Helldiver right?

[frail orbit]

Ye for DB slot best is helldiver

[shy hazel]

not so ironic iirc

uk borrowed alot of planes from the us in ww2 anyways

[shell heron]

I touched AotN. Good enough

[forest lake]

[empty grove]

I feel like i'm month one playing

With how much I need to rush for gensui

I hit rank 11

Truly scuffed

Lmao

[frail orbit]

Peco, as a reminder, even F4U is basically usable on USN carrier thanks to them leeasing these F4U to the UK Royal Navy keks

Beforehand was troubled by the gullwing lell

[hybrid ember]

june, ykkz and belfast, how good are they as a vg

[shell heron]

juneau/fill/ykk is standard vg

or fill/juneau/ykk

depends on who you want to lead

[upper sparrow]

there is still a lot of ppl who use belfast too

not the best, but still viable

[hybrid ember]

juneau/fill/ykk is standard vg
@shell heron who is fill

[shell heron]

Fill as in any ship that's good

[marsh bane]

[upper sparrow]

noshiro, azuma, aurora, just speak any vg meta u can think about

idk about eldridge tho

[tender creek]

17 month streak of AoTN broken

[zenith tundra]

i think this might be the worse season of pvp since en release

[tender creek]

time to quit until they uncap comm lvl150

[ionic magnet]

i see noone even bothered posting the top 10

[zenith tundra]

i'll post my top 10 eos in jp later but i did abuse 2 extra attempts so it's worth nothing pretty much

[tender creek]

avrora's must look absolutely fubared if sandy is like this

[zenith tundra]

will next season season even be any better? i still got kicked out after doing pvp...

[ionic magnet]

i cant even login rn

[tender creek]

what servers? sandy seems fine

[ionic magnet]

avrora

ok got in after restarting app

rip rushers tho

im so late

[zenith tundra]

i got in after getting kicked but and 2nd attempt is doing same thing

[midnight heron]

cant get in sandy as well

[tender creek]

daily server congestion

[zenith tundra]

seems so

rip tying to sandbag off rushers at this rate

[hot creek]

what, season hasnt ended yet tho

[zenith tundra]

sure it hasn't yet but will they fix servers in 1 day?

[hot creek]

well, they havent annonuced they're taking down servers yet for maint again or anything so

[vague token]

inb4 reset to 0

[zenith tundra]

that wouldn't change a thing. not like u can get 2.2k pts in 1 day

maint channel lol

[ionic magnet]

lol no wonder im at rank 5k after reset

didnt even notice

[mint hornet]

just found this channel. is sandbagging using your attempts at the last possible time, before you get additional attempts?

[hot creek]

not necessarily no. you just have to wait until your opponent attacks and then you attack them

[hot creek]

and after you get a bonus like that 2 or 3 times then you typically wont get any more for the rest of the reset so you can just use up the rest of your matches til 5/10

[zenith tundra]

that is part of the strategy for when u don't find enough people that used their attempts to use all 5 attempts in a reset

[hot creek]

but the hardcore people will wait until last second to finish

[midnight heron]

now i cant even pvp

[forest lake]

[mint hornet]

so you would sit on 5/10, then at each reset do 5 to find people that already did pvp. Who would be ahead of you since you're 5 attempts behind them?

due to not using all of your attempts?

[hot creek]

yeah we almost never use up past 5/10

[zenith tundra]

tl:dr sandbagging:
1 u never go under 5/10 before a reset
2 always wait for people to move before attacking
3 if u didn't use all 5 attempts in a reset u use them towards the end of the reset

[mint hornet]

Ah gotcha. I've played like a rusher (I assume from the name) as you've mentioned above since I'd try to pvp when the resets happen

[zenith tundra]

just to be more specific the 1st point doesn't apply to 1st reset of a season when u can sandbag even at 5/10 and is also worth to use them all before maint since this is en

[mint hornet]

Since the seasonal reset would make merit gains only 50 after maintenance compared to the 80 or 90 before it right?

[zenith tundra]

merit gains are based on rank

but yeah it goes down once ur rank resets

[mint hornet]

ya

I guess the thing I can improve my fleet on is leveling juneau since I don't have most of the recommended backliners lol

[zenith tundra]

also if u don't know yet, never attack opponents that are below u in score/rank because u get less points then base amount

[mint hornet]

Yea I only do that toward the end of the season when I can't reach any further rank breakpoints

since it doesn't really matter at that point

[zenith tundra]

if u sandbag u can recover quite a bit of points especially since people that already lost attempts tend to rush a lot more

[mint hornet]

oh thats a good point. didn't think of that

which I guess leads back into why sand bagging is a thing

[zenith tundra]

u usually don't even need to sandbag to reach top 10 rank it just makes it much easier

[mint hornet]

Hmm, yea i'll try sandbagging this next season. but I can't beat atm* the nagato amagi hiryuu comps so over time there's too large of a point disparity to crack top 10

Though I can hit top 50

[zenith tundra]

there are a lot of namaryuu around but is not like u have to beat any u can just refresh ur list if u cannot beat who is in it

[mint hornet]

Yea

thanks for the tips

i'm gonna head off for now

[raw osprey]

gotta love the Ibuki nukes

[upper sparrow]

[warped depot]

Hello. Um.. May I have help creating a pvp team?

[zenith tundra]

sure. what ships do u have?

[warped depot]

These guys.

[ripe latch]

hms think

but need lvl and QE

[warped depot]

I also have Intrepid and Reno.. if they any good for that

[ripe latch]

no

u not have lvl on vanguard

110 lvl+

[zenith tundra]

for what u have leveled best comp would be warspite formidable and enty backline. for vg u need to level up noshiro so just use belfast monty laffey for now

[warped depot]

Okay. Thank you.

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra maybe he use porty bel noshiro?

[zenith tundra]

if u want to know the best comps check the tier list in pins

noshiro at that level is out of the question tbh

[ripe latch]

but porty best tank on low lvl

[zenith tundra]

u can go belfast portland laffey/monty

[warped depot]

Why is the the single 76 blue gun good on Ayayanami..?

[zenith tundra]

it's for barrage spam and skill uptime

[warped depot]

Oh.. I see

[zenith tundra]

76mm is her bis even in pve

[upper sparrow]

aya not use twin 100 in pvp cause aa?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think she is supposed to survive past the 20s mark in a torp meme team

[upper sparrow]

ohh ok

[zenith tundra]

u only use her for preload torp and 2nd torp wave + barrage

[upper sparrow]

so better to spam damage before she die then

[jovial sedge]

uh

[stable dawn]

Season dead af

top rn is 2451

even if some sandbaggers survived I don't think anyone will hit 2600 this season on wash due to maint.

[zenith tundra]

did washi had problems too?

[stable dawn]

Not as bad as sandy or avrora

but we had an 18 hour maint

and the previous 14 hour one didn't help either

I estimate there are less than 20 surviving sandbaggers

[zenith tundra]

could be 0 like avrora

[stable dawn]

But if nobody survives, then everyone survives

[zenith tundra]

not when the only people with decent scores are the one that abused

[forest lake]

wait Washy had people who reached 2.6k?

Even on my best season I hit 2588, tho I wasn't too lucky at season start as usual

Most I've seen was 2590+ but never 2.6k

[stable dawn]

They show up right before season ends when everyone else is asleep

10 minutes of fame

tbh I'm tempted to meme next season and only foxrush
just to see how low I end up

[past egret]

Wash got fucked up from the original maint last week didn’t it

@forest lake during a few events last year I saw a few hit 2600, specifically after Amagi event

[forest lake]

Interesting

[zenith tundra]

like how do u not get 1 opponent higher up at rank 54

1 refresh wasted

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

wasted 4 refreshes on 3 lists

like how stupid

sure 100% normal

[ripe latch]

f

[zenith tundra]

time to eat 2 -1 or worse

look at this nice legit scores

[frail orbit]

Zack, anyway didya already +10 VT-18 tho?

Wanna see whether this timing gonna be great
Or derp smhw

[safe meteor]

so hows pvp ranking look like now after the server issues?

[zenith tundra]

depends on server. seems like most are just behind in pts tho. avrora is like completely off. few people with high scores and rest even top 100 that cannot reach top 10 because of missing attempts

[elder crane]

it looks very legit kappa

but yeah
some people get extra points
some people lost matches

so it's a clusterfuck on Avrora

I'm 250 points below current r1, for example

[zenith tundra]

my jp is such a meme. like everyone 20pts ahead of usual beacuse extra attempts but since no dumb maint and connection issues nobody lost attempts

[shell heron]

Avrora is already a mess. A combination of 10 missed attempts minimum and rollbacks giving extra attempts to some people. Scores are gonna be interesting.

[zenith tundra]

@frail orbit i can test timings but since new season don't have anything decent to test against

[elder crane]

you mean up to 20 missed attempts for sandbaggers who didn't get past login gatcha

5 missed last week
then 15 more from >24H maint

2 s is probably too much delay
TBs will drop before Formi stop happens, which vs (meta) fast vanguard means Ryuus will miss

idk the exact timing though, I just play it by what happens in matches and tweak accordingly

[vague token]

just give up vanguard kill ;)))

where the cuda fighter/dive at

actually was there a cuda fighter irl?

[frail orbit]

Nope

Only tb db

[elder crane]

Yeah, cuda was multipurpose bomber

[vague token]

rip

it would be funny if we got a cuda fighter for triple cuda

the ultimate crashening

[safe meteor]

at least Avrora got extra compensation

[frail orbit]

@elder crane then just double reppu or reppu+sea fury 4head

This also accounting that the real value of Centaur is at 169.6 reload with oath 6% buff smhw

Or hellcat+reppu

Mine also usually used 1-1.5s anyway

Since double boiler Yuki enemy means that my shit would get shrugged by her

[limpid condor]

Out of my 6 main Vanguards Noshiro, Roon, Belfast, Z23, Eugen, and Takao. What would dbe the best combo?

[ripe latch]

roon bel noshi

[ionic magnet]

noshi>bel>roon/z23

that said, get atleast a juneau or yukikaze

[solid phoenix]

Hey, just wondering, what's you guys' PR level for FdG and Azuma, to get an idea of how late I am in the meta?

[ionic turret]

If your running the Namaryuu comp with azuma do you run juneau with pearl tears or do you go with equipment that boost speed?

[ripe latch]

imagine have fdg 25+ dev now

[eager cedar]

youre behind if theyre not at least dev20

[forest lake]

@ionic turret Juneau Pearl at mid

[ionic turret]

Thank you, new to the pvp figured I would give it a go

[forest lake]

Azuma gets Gyro + Rudder if you didn't know already

Well it's best if you have her at Dev 25 so she can properly tank

I wouldn't recommend using her if she isn't

[elder crane]

she's perfectly fine by around dev 20

[vague token]

free exp is free exp

[forest lake]

Free EXP also means possible losses if you don't pay attention

[ionic turret]

right now mine is dev 17 so I am being very careful on the matches i go into.

[proper sorrel]

i just noticed some fleets play different music, can someone help me explain whats happening, for an example hololive music when im going up against hololive fleets

[hot creek]

its an aux item they have equipped which does that

[proper sorrel]

oh ankimo

[vague token]

wish they gave us one every event

[zenith tundra]

avrora dead?

[jagged steppe]

what you mean?

[zenith tundra]

like perma load in-game and now perma load in login screen

[jagged steppe]

im in

[zenith tundra]

i was doing hm and when entering map it just pretty much kicked me

[jagged steppe]

.

[zenith tundra]

go do something

ok now i'm in

whatever

[upper sparrow]

[lapis bolt]

[shell heron]

With how scuffed this season went. Those that benefited aren't here at the end

[zenith tundra]

why even bother looking at that...

[shy hazel]

astronomically low scores

[shell heron]

Because i wanted to see 2700+ scores

[zenith tundra]

would u prefer this?

[shy hazel]

higher is better hey

[zenith tundra]

stupid as fuck

[shell heron]

Actually yes. At least fight til the end

[zenith tundra]

after the server problems after maint i was 40pts behind some abusers.... fun to see how that person ended up with like 2 pts only more

[shell heron]

Still found it odd how rollbacks are handled. Reverts all attempts builds, and purchases

But pvp scores are like on another server where its not touched

[zenith tundra]

maybe score is not handled for each player separately but all together

[shell heron]

Makes sense. Not all players are impacted

But that is kinda pathetic. 40 up but cant hold that position for long

[zenith tundra]

i think is normal considering how al pvp score works

and it's actually a good thing tbh

prevent people who just abused from getting away with it

[shell heron]

Although being too far up makes you more likely to eat +9s or 8s.

It wasnt even week 2 yet when the rollback happened so plenty of time to lose that advantage

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel what do u want to do if i actually don't get a build ship.... reno is just cursed, i've been building every time i reach 15k gold and still nothing so far

[jagged steppe]

I missed mr president

ayylmao

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

gafalrion is the only sandbagger in top 10 avrora that i recognize

[ionic magnet]

lol whatever happened to 2.8k pace

[zenith tundra]

time for a new season hopefully without rollback and 24+hr maint

[forest lake]

Ey nice

First time holding top 1 til reset

[zenith tundra]

gg

[shy hazel]

just keep building i guess

[zenith tundra]

let's just hope 8 intrepid are enough

[runic sorrel]

This is the first time, I'm in top 100

[zenith tundra]

being top 100 early doesn't mean much u need to wait for when it actually gives merit rewards when u have 1650+ score

[runic sorrel]

[hot creek]

dont be such a party pooper, zack

let the man bask in his early rankings so that he continues to be a good rusher.

[zenith tundra]

it still doesn't matter tho. is like flexing rank 1 1st reset. u get literally nothing out of it

getting top 100 for merit rewards is more important tbh

[hot creek]

you do get something for it; a sense of pride and accomplishment

I think thats worth at least a little something

[zenith tundra]

sure if u don't know how pvp system works

[hot creek]

that is fine. not everyone needs to be a hardcore sandbagger top 10 eos every season.

you see, this is the beauty of AL's pvp system. the people who don't know about the scoring system get a sense of pride and accomplishment for rushing and the people in the know-how get their pride and accomplishment™ by getting top rank eos. Everybody wins.

and the best part of it all? None of it matters.

well, except the merits but at some early point even merits dont matter any more

[zenith tundra]

well if people are happy not knowing what they are doing is fine. i would rather teach someone what to do then acknowledge a random achievement like top 100 1st reset

[elfin summit]

so am I get it right, an actual top10 are hidden somewhere deep until last 5 mins of a season?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[hot creek]

more like last 30 seconds of the season

if you're on avrora at least

[elfin summit]

[zenith tundra]

eos top 10 is literally nothing more then a SS

u only get that as a trophy no fame

u usually login last 30s of the season to see the actual leaderboard

[elfin summit]

AL pvp system is quite well-balanced at this point, not making community too toxic about pvps

[zenith tundra]

with bad rewards not many people actually care for pvp

[elfin summit]

well, it's still pretty reliable source of Purins tho

[zenith tundra]

for top10 rank u don't really need to go all out sandbagging

[elfin summit]

during season, you mean?

[zenith tundra]

sandbaggers usually either aim for top10 rank so they stop after getting it or for eos in which case they sandbag like every day of the season

[jagged steppe]

smh these afker

[zenith tundra]

u need to check list earlier

[jagged steppe]

why

[zenith tundra]

i'm 99% positive that the list of opponents u get after a season reset is updated when u check it for the 1st time

[jagged steppe]

oh

OHOHHH

[zenith tundra]

if u wait a lot u get people that didn't check pvp like u for that amount of time

[jagged steppe]

big mistake was made

cya next season

[zenith tundra]

🇫

it's not that bad

people can still do pvp eventually

it's just easier when u can get easy points with early with active people that rush

wrong server

[zenith tundra]

i always check my list 1min after season reset

and usually get 1-2 people that are already rushing

[jagged steppe]

i zhink dis is lost

atleast -2 point already

[zenith tundra]

now u have to sandbag

just wait for people to move

[ionic magnet]

or you can just refresh 1-2 mins after season started

thats 4 guaranteed rushers

[zenith tundra]

i usually land on at least 3 rushers just by waiting for people in list to move

[elfin summit]

hi again, so I've peeked the pins and trying to make up some fleet. Is this composition/load any relevant? This is both mine attack and def fleet.
I miss Amagi, so just slapped Warspite who should perform nice by herself afaik. Mine Azuma is dev14 as well so far, so I took Avrora.

[zenith tundra]

the gear is ok (i would use sg instead of white shells but it's preference). i haven't tested that but should be good enough

btw that's aurora

[elfin summit]

ouch, yeah Aurora

sg instead of white shells
you mean Nagato one or both?

[zenith tundra]

actually u might want to use sg over white shells since u don't have amagi for damage reduction

i would swap on both tbh

[elfin summit]

having no second gold SG, would it be decent enough to substitute them with these things?

[zenith tundra]

it works but i wouldn't spend plates on it since is overall worse

[elfin summit]

well, I have +10 both already because of event quests, so...

[zenith tundra]

also if u use hiryuu to tank can swap beaver and rudder with nagato

[elfin summit]

well, Hiryuu must live the longest, so i suppose yeah... Thank you!

[jagged steppe]

there are 2 type of people in my list

1.the baggers

2.the low lvl guy who dont do pvp

[zenith tundra]

low levels are worse then sandbaggers in a way. at least sandbaggers have to move eventually

[jagged steppe]

yo

!?!?!

!!!!???!?!?!?!?!

unlimited compensation works

[zenith tundra]

they are handing compensations like candies... well servers have been pretty fucked up recently so it makes sense

[jagged steppe]

I have most of everything in event except bp

and got nobody to atk cuz they all sandbagger

whjat to do in life

should I wait 10/10?

[ripe latch]

5 coubs compenstation

[jagged steppe]

ez pts

[forest lake]

Looking like a great season for me

3 bonuses so far

[marsh bane]

aw, just 5k event points to make up for the lost time

[hot creek]

I would trade all that for the time lost not doing research. A couple DR prints wouldve been fair.

[marsh bane]

Honestly like 1x 457mm prints and maybe 2 DR uni prints would've been nice on top imo

[marsh bane]

Oh no Famine is back at it again, right at my tail

[zenith tundra]

so much time loss for en... rank 1 is half points of rank 1 in my jp server

[marsh bane]

And I already didn't have that much sleep the last days, if at all maybe it's time for me to move t the inevitable #2 place

How do JP peeps nolife so much

[zenith tundra]

like i would know...

[marsh bane]

Christ

That guy must have like 300k when the event ends

[zenith tundra]

there isn't anything amazing to farm either... why do people farm so much

[marsh bane]

I guess it really is just for the weird flex that doesn't mean anything

Or to throw away gems

[upper sparrow]

[jovial sedge]

hmm zoo strikes again

[lapis bolt]

You want to sandbag, we want to sandbag, everyone wants to sandbag

[forest lake]

[lapis bolt]

Sandbag is the way of life

I hope Kanao get matched up with me like 10 times this season

[forest lake]

Can't even sandbag pass 2.55k

[lapis bolt]

I will ensure I change my backline to include Hiryuu

[forest lake]

[lapis bolt]

I make sure you reset 50 times

My Azuma is now DEV27

You wait and see, boyo

[marsh bane]

dev27 nice

[forest lake]

Time to commit torp memes

[lapis bolt]

I haf noshiro and jesus-chan. Ur fukkd

Frontline BB will tear your vanguard apart

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

All I hear from that is "gotta go fast"

[karmic forum]

I +10'd some boilers for my speed meme fleet

[whole terrace]

Dev 27?!?!

[jovial sedge]

me dont zoo or sandbag

rss interpid but uses zoo

[inner zenith]

BP convert option when 😭

[elfin summit]

T1 parts convert option when

[zenith tundra]

[grim ember]

fleet 2 for pvp would be nice

[zenith tundra]

what would that do?

[high bay]

just some sort of qol change i guess

[zenith tundra]

we just got best qol changes in the game... clearing mode for story maps

also mass retire option

[marsh bane]

I'm in love with the mass retire feature

No more clicking through 350 ships when my dock is full again just to get back to my normal cap

[inner zenith]

retire option still sucks. i have to lock at least one of these 1 star ships

taking up so much space

[marsh bane]

Hmm it seems to work fine for me

[zenith tundra]

tbh i locked dupes of event ships just so i don't have to deselect them every time

[inner zenith]

unless u keep a copy of every ship it's not a problem

[mint hornet]

when you sandbag, do you wait a period of time between each attempt? So that the new people you face have time to move?

[inner zenith]

yes. hf refreshing game every couple minutes

[zenith tundra]

u usually wait till someone moves

u don't need every couple of minutes by a long shoot... i usually check every 30-60min in the middle of a reset. only certain periods of the day when people are most likely to rush i check more often

[mint hornet]

gotcha

ty

[vague token]

just do a couple of event stages then relog

xD

[zenith tundra]

i like this points scaling curve

how many people are actually playing wtf

[shell heron]

looks like normal points at this time

[zenith tundra]

is it normal to be 7k rank at 120 pts?

[shell heron]

kinda, 120 very low. Almost early rush

[empty owl]

Eugen doing Eugen things

[sterile bluff]

how much does ws's barrage basedmg increase after upgrade?

like without the 130% first barrage boost

😮 just got a 457 XD

[zenith tundra]

it goes from 154 to 184 base damage

148 start

[sterile bluff]

wdym 148 start

[zenith tundra]

it's score of 1st 5 attempts of a season

it's called start because it's the start of a new season

[sterile bluff]

oh i thought u were talking about her barrage

XD

my IQ just dropped

wait why do i have 235?

[zenith tundra]

because u used all 10 attempts so far

i only used 5

[sterile bluff]

was i... not supposed to do that?

[elder crane]

it's better to stay low to let people on list climb above you so you get more bonus points

if you get decently lucky, 150+ starts are possible

well, if you want a high rank

[sterile bluff]

so i should only use my attempts when it's at 10?

[elder crane]

ideally you'd use your attempts down to 5/10 1 by 1, each after someone on your list climbs up so you maximize bonus

that's usually not possible, so next best is to do that as much as possible until you're close to getting the next 5 tickets, and then go down to 5/10 attempts stored so you don't lose tickets

[sterile bluff]

wdym "each after someone on your list climbs up"

what list

[zenith tundra]

attack after opponents in pvp used their attempts

[sterile bluff]

how do i know if they used their attempts

[elder crane]

basically

1. wait til someone on the 4 enemy options you are given ranks up
2. fight them for extra points
3. repeat 1 by 1

[zenith tundra]

looking at their rank

[elder crane]

they will jump to a much higher rank than you

[sterile bluff]

OHHH i see

[elder crane]

see pins

[sterile bluff]

i see i see

[elder crane]

in any case, most important for gaining merit is winning every fight, so if you can't win every fight, what I just outlined is actually counterproductive

[sterile bluff]

losing fights is uhh... very common for me XD

[zenith tundra]

u need a better comp then

[sterile bluff]

^^^^^^^^^^^

yes, yes i do

[elder crane]

then, what you want to do is (ideally) before every reset, use 5 attempts going down to 5/10, and fight the lowest ranked opponent you can win against to lower your rank as much as possible, so you face the weakest fleets
well, if you want to gain as much merit as you can

[sterile bluff]

ok

[elder crane]

if you just want to use PvP to gain XP, then you fight whatever gives most XP
the amount of XP you get is proportional to the sum of the levels of all enemy ships, and is halved if you lose
(well, not quite proportional exactly, but roughly speaking)

[sterile bluff]

nah i actually want a decent rank

winning feels good

[elder crane]

then you can try the sandbag I outlined at first, but your rank is really going to be pepega anyways
the second one I outlined above is the one to maximize wins (and therefore merit) for someone who can't just easily win every fight
(and just ignore the XP strat I gave last)

don't forget you can just straight up quit a PvP fight and try again with 0 penalty, for when you're able to beat enemy team, just need RNG to be right

[sterile bluff]

yea

ill try to win

cuz merits

need merits for dem purins

and boxes

[sterile bluff]

ok how do i calculate ws's barrage dmg? On wiki it says 445.28 against heavy and scales with 80% of fp stat... sooo how do i calculate the final dmg output?

[zenith tundra]

https://github.com/Enbayft/Random-AL-Stuff/blob/master/BarrageChart.xlsx

check that spreadsheet it has final barrage dmg

[elder crane]

wiki chart is pretty scuffed

doesn't even tell you mods or the base damage or how it's broken down

anyways, stat scaling is like usual

multiplier (100+stat)/100

[zenith tundra]

to that u just need to add the fp scaling
(((fp*fp scaling)+100)/100)

[vague token]

warspite uses .8 or w/e

[sterile bluff]

ok

where do u get that spreadsheet?

can we have it pinned?

[zenith tundra]

u should save it on ur phone/pc. should ask the mods for pins

[elder crane]

the entire enbayft github is a good resource
also idk about how useful it is for PvP specifically, more of a general resource
would be super nice if this stuff was all in-game, but noooo, has to be datamined out of game code

[sterile bluff]

uhh wtf

for "total dmg" it says ws's barrage does 404.8...

not an expert but pretty sure "total dmg" aka final dmg output is more than that...

[elder crane]

that's without the firepower mod, obviously

and without critical mod

[sterile bluff]

ohhhh

so "total dmg" is base dmg

?

[elder crane]

cause your WS will have different FP stat depending on equips used

yeah, total base damage

[sterile bluff]

okokok

ahhhhh now life makes sense

[elder crane]

also without the PvP damage modifiers, level difference modifiers, other skill effects, etc.

[sterile bluff]

uhh wait, so for ws it's (0.8*fp+100)/100 right?