u might just run in ws fdg with different focus and lose a cv before it even launches ex my video above
#pvp
frail orbit
That, something I noticed too
Like wtf with namagi fdg not even seems to be lethal smhw
When it's basically some of the most lethal comp
zenith tundra
nope it's not by far
frail orbit
Either that
Or PVP per class adjustment all over again
zenith tundra
it's actually a very defensive comp
zenith tundra
azuma on defense is just stall
hard to carry on defense
i'll use same exact setup as that with ws instead of georgia since she isn't max and see if any of centaur and formi actually survive ws fdg amagi
frail orbit
Still, whatever the case
Cant even seem to get a quart into a pint pot eh
Like how, vg kill vs backline kill, pick one smhw
zenith tundra
as i said double offensive is suicide against actual good teams
it's also dependent on opponent vg speed
because if the speed is too high u don't actually hit ryuusei enough
also not only centaur is dead... formi is too
it's same setup as his
vague token
tfw formi has less base hp than centaur
zenith tundra
this also why u need to test comps against different enemies since not all use same gear and while against 1 team it might work others will just kick ur ass
zenith tundra
is something new? like centaur is already super broken... having more hp seems normal to me
frail orbit
So typical of boomer CVL
vague token
Advanced Tech
frail orbit
Aka being post war
vague token
yeah
frail orbit
T9 at worst
vague token
t9 is for PR
frail orbit
T10 for me
vague token
t10 would make more sense
she'd be the only one in game so it isnt a big deal
outside of weird ones like suruga i guess maybe
but suruga was wwii design
maybe if they had more future designs they could fill out t10
frail orbit
Shinano better be with Yamamu
hot creek
did subs fleet have thier own seperate mvp from surface fleet or was i imagining things?
vague token
on elites id randomly get albacore mvp because the burst is crazy
so the fight would end
if it was like a heavy siren
or cavalla
frail orbit
But on beaver Magi be like
vague token
i forget
frail orbit
Whatever
I just wanna retire from pvp smhw looking at that
Rudder+beaver magi that is
Since VH Hiryuu just gonna cuck me so much smhw
vague token
frail orbit
Fek off kiro
zenith tundra
enjoy my en team
frail orbit
THAT
coral wren
Top 1 madlad probably didn't miss a pvp tick despite the dc earlier
coral wren
No wonder I couldn't get top 1. This dude was too far ahead
frail orbit
Feels like Mamagi femdom on me
vague token
i dont think there's any reason to run hsfcr amagi
frail orbit
Eh firestarter and all
coral wren
where do you get beaver squad item again
frail orbit
Also her debuff too
coral wren
Is that from an event
zenith tundra
i don't think it would matter. maybe only in mirror namaryuu but that's it
vague token
collection
frail orbit
My priorities usually wakai>magi>fdg>nagatoot
coral wren
Oh god.
vague token
you need like 12-15 limit break stars from the beaver squad
frail orbit
But hey fdg not even 6months rolling in en
vague token
i forget how many
coral wren
I scrapped 2 of them
frail orbit
12
coral wren
ffs
zenith tundra
coral wren
I should start looking at the collection before ruining my chances
vague token
i mean if you mlb the commons it's dirt cheap
frail orbit
Ye
coral wren
got 5 bulins and 15 gold bulins
zenith tundra
u can just gets dupes easily
vague token
you get billions of aulick/foote/spence
coral wren
thanks
vague token
charles is purple so she doesnt pop up as much though
coral wren
I don't even know how I got to lvl 100 without knowing about collection gears
vague token
but you dont need them all mlb to hit badge
frail orbit
^
coral wren
frail orbit
12 is enuff afaik
coral wren
Oh so it's not the last item
zenith tundra
coral wren
I can manage that after this event
frail orbit
Fok
coral wren
we got another LB event
frail orbit
17
coral wren
vague token
yeah but you get 1 star from each common
by default
it's only like 12 actual resource lbs
zenith tundra
u can do without charles pretty much
vague token
just collect charles and you get 2 stars
frail orbit
17 stars i meant
Anyway still a bit derp smhw from earlier
So, ryusei on cent, no need for pirates really? T0 bomb tho
frail orbit
Also 2 high effi slot ones
jagged steppe
coral wren
My ships are masochists
zenith tundra
u need to calculate for urself the timings based on the oaths levels... and then test to see if it works or not
frail orbit
Ez pz to get it tbh
zenith tundra
it shouldn't take much
frail orbit
6% buff from oath anyway
vague token
from that you just need the commons mlb
zenith tundra
it's 9% oath 100-199 affection
vague token
yeah it isnt a linear scaling between 9% and 12%
zenith tundra
if u can use vf-17 u should imo
but if u cannot it's not worth screwing up timings for it
frail orbit
Ye but timing problems and all
Especially since I wanna brought more crash dmg smhw
Or is it better to just go on my usual setup tho
Cent pirates reppu ryusei
4mi seafury cuda alba
Thats my usual thang btw
zenith tundra
if u want crash dmg u use 2 cudas
frail orbit
Ye ikr but thing is
I want crash dmg while not forgetting vg ASAP kill
Which is why am kinda contemplating for 831 cuda with cuda on 4mi but then the timing's all off smhw
zenith tundra
my setup worked with 831 cuda but u need to finish oaths
zenith tundra
u should finish both tbh
frail orbit
Also kinda derp smhw but smhw rendar said til 2s is the ideal timing hmmm
Just backlogged this channel smhw
zenith tundra
for me it seems to be as close as possible to stop not in the slow part.
not an expert on fc tho
cerulean estuary
is avrora server stable now?
cerulean estuary
so all accounts have been rollbbacked
do i need to build again or wait for the ships compensation
zenith tundra
/rollback
strange moatBOT
If you've experienced rollbacks, please contact them at https://yostar.helpshift.com/a/azur-lane/ or alternatively email them at al.cs@yo-star.com and tell them what you have lost from the rollbacks.
zenith tundra
did u do this?
cerulean estuary
not yet , just woke up and check the game
zenith tundra
if u got rolled back u should do that if u want to
i should ask for rollback on my builds because no reno yet 
cerulean estuary
im worried about , when will the ships will be given / compensate to you
will it be in a day or week?
zenith tundra
idk but i would do that if u managed to get all
elder crane
I was just ballpark it, no idea what exact value is
As I said, I set up mine by tweaking loadout until experimentally it worked
cerulean estuary
i got all 4/5 on the pool except berme
cerulean estuary
so basically or majority is = no builds / gacha for today?
zenith tundra
i have no clue about that try and see in #tech-support if anyone answers
frail orbit
For me it was 1-1.5s tho
Unlike yer case ren
Afaik tho
3-5 days
For that to get recovered ASAP
zenith tundra
it's lock down so just pm kawaakari
cerulean estuary
ok zack thanks will try to pm them
ripe latch
finite valve
just don't log out
zenith tundra
i got rollback by last maint but all i lost was a map clear...
frail orbit
Feels gud man
60coobs and no ships rollbacked
And am not even touching event maps yet
zenith tundra
i still need reno in en
frail orbit
4/5 minus cooper
Just hope no more russian nightmare
zenith tundra
somehow got bremerton before her
zenith tundra
that's unlucky for u huh... 320 for russiya and now 180 no reno on stella account
frail orbit
Always been luccsaccing on AL
Meanwhile my Honkai is a mess
Til recently where I got luccsacc again
At least my 457 still at 15/50 smhw
zenith tundra
how tf is this here NOW
elder crane
again, idk what was the exact gap I used, so I rec around 1.5-2s to begin with then tweak based off what you see in battle
zenith tundra
tried to login->black sceen
elder crane
:kek:
hot creek
lmao
zenith tundra
and now i have to redownload al... wtf happened
zenith tundra
how did the game just went back to that patch by itself
i actually prefer hololive bg over hms intrepid
zenith tundra
i logged out and i think an error appeared (kind of skipped it fast) and then the bg was that
finite valve
ionic magnet
mm so i assume avrora is fine now? feels smooth and no more lag finally
cerulean estuary
yeah hopefully , is ur account not affected of rollback?
cerulean estuary
ah isee , mines got rollbacked
cerulean estuary
i think i used 140 cubes and got all excpet bremer
then the fire nation , i mean got rollback after long mainte
karmic forum
It seems like when you deselect a ship from quick retire it will flag it and not select it again for future rounds.
ionic magnet
oh i just woke up so i didnt even know we had a maint again
saw that tweet from intern kun
looks like you're fine anyways
but sucks you cant use/level them rn
elder crane
everyone who got a rollback is getting every ship they got pre-rollback
so RIP to everyone who didn't manage to login/didn't get rollbacked
ionic magnet
so RIP to everyone who didn't manage to login/didn't get rollbacked
wait why this part
elder crane
now if server hiccups, autoclicker login to get bonus goodies
or DDoS server yourself to get bonus goodies
Basically what devs are telling up right now 
frail orbit
Whatever
Just want my 60coobs to remain that
4/5 minus cooper
elder crane
cause you're not getting free stuff
imagine you don't manage to get every event ship
cerulean estuary
yeah thats good to hear , but the problem is the 'time" when will they give / mail the rollbacked ships / items
im worried about that since u need to MLB them for the frame
elder crane
imagine you don't manage to get every event ship
and you see these people who didn't either, but due to rollback, basically got event ships for free
and didn't need to spend any res on pulls
ionic magnet
oh kek
cerulean estuary
i think they have a database for that
so no naughty ones
vague token
they do
frail orbit
Thing is
vague token
it says on the tweet
frail orbit
They got a database
vague token
they know
elder crane
yes, they're using server logs and automatically crediting everyone
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akashi always watching
elder crane
now if server hiccups, autoclicker login to get bonus goodies
or DDoS server yourself to get bonus goodies
Basically what devs are telling us right now
frail orbit
Dun care either
cerulean estuary
i think they will extend the event for a 1 week?
vague token
i mean i think that's pretty generous of them
frail orbit
As if I'd give a fok to cooper most of the time
vague token
they could like not do anything
frail orbit
Only 1ship again
vague token
xD
frail orbit
elder crane
Yes, but this is straight up counterproductive
elder crane
what they should do at this point is refund all pulls and give all event ships for free
frail orbit
That is
vague token
oh ok
frail orbit
Too much
vague token
xD
elder crane
that's the only fair solution that doesn't lead to further issues
elder crane
now if server hiccups, autoclicker login to get bonus goodies
or DDoS server yourself to get bonus goodies
Basically what devs are telling us right now
frail orbit
cerulean estuary
yeah but for the good part , give it on the LAST DAY of the event 
elder crane
that's not healthy
elder crane
expect more issues in the future if they don't account for this
from people DDoSing servers to try to get freebies
frail orbit
Tho me being already cucced on another game too much makes me saying this smhw
U asking too much for something that's kinda hmmm smhw
ionic magnet
yea just give me a nagato tyvm
elder crane
idc much personally cause I did pull everything and have tons of res banked
but you can be sure as heck I'll be trying to autoclick my way in the next time this happens
vague token
i mean what's the point of being afraid of people being malicious like that outside of buying better ddos protection for servers
this situation is out of norm anyways
frail orbit
Whatever it is then
vague token
it also sounded like the worked on back end so they might have helped future proof themselves later anyways
"proof"
ionic magnet
well more compensations are on the way so
frail orbit
elder crane
yeah, we'll have to see what they do
vague token
like theoretically this wont happen again
elder crane
as it stands right now, they're just promoting bad behaviour
vague token
corona will go away, people will lose interest, and server pop will go down
as is the normal
or we hit humanity's bad ending, that's possible too
in which case you dont need to worry anymore ;)
frail orbit
Depends whether that logarithmic shit goin better or nope
vague token
yeah but they're working on backend
elder crane
incomplete testing basically
ionic magnet
interesting that intern kun said theres almost same amount of connections in all 4 servers
ionic magnet
so ppl play in lex and washy 
ionic magnet
frail orbit
Gei af when I already whaled skins and docks on avrora
No way goin to make another smurf again smhw zzzz
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oh the sub bosses pop up in 30 seconds lol
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i mean i can wait 30 seconds
elder crane
long-term, I don't see any solution that doesn't just piss off a good portion of the playerbase other than keep rollback, refund rolls, give ships for free
don't give ships to people who got rollbacked? Riot
give ships to people who got rollbacked? people who didn't and then didn't get the ships riot
Maybe if they give people who got rollbacked a choice of which restore point to use, but I doubt they have the manpower to do that unless only a very small number of people got rollbacked
vague token
to be fair, people who didnt roll dont have a negative experience
only neutral
while people who got rolled back did
the net positive would be to restore the roll backs
elder crane
imagine you don't manage to get every event ship
and you see these people who didn't either, but due to rollback, basically got event ships for free
and/or didn't need to spend any res on pulls
vague token
and i would be like man, im glad the company is nice enough to help us when the situation is like this
elder crane
frail orbit
I dont see why should I angst over that tbh ren
I simply dont see any reason to angst it up
elder crane
I suppose people do would angst a lot shouldn't be playing gatcha games to begin with
But yeah
I'm autoclicking the next time servers have login issues
elder crane
add to the problem basically
vague token
i think it's healthier to assume people are playing in good faith and then use your anti cheat tools to find people who are gaming the system
instead of assuming everyone is cheating and then find the good
the 2nd method sounds really sad
ionic magnet
@frail orbit lol lets cri together 
elder crane
yeah, hence the fair solution being you just take the hit as a company since you screwed things up, and just give this event as a freebie
vague token
oh sure
elder crane
skins prolly their main income anyways
frail orbit
@ionic magnet me dun need to cry anyway, 5 newt B
vague token
i think they could revert the roll back and give the event drops
frail orbit
What I need to cry is the lack of AE @ionic magnet
vague token
builds arent their main income im sure
frail orbit
Coobs being so generous anyway
For free
Their income comes from docks and skins
And looking at how big the playerbase is
elder crane
if anything, giving out event ships like that promotes more dock+skin purchases
only as 1-time thing though prolly since otherwise they'd lose the scarcity effect on event ships
frail orbit
Also hooloo me not even having AE since me being a returner currently 4head so @ionic magnet
ionic magnet
yea better just roll if you can get it guaranteed is what i learned but hard part is actually holding back urge to roll cos theyre really good at making bait banners
jagged steppe
they baited me into believe there would be baltimore in the pool
then they change event banner to bremeton
ionic magnet
why would balti be in the pool 
frail orbit
Who cares
golden fable
Alright, let's please keep this to pvp
frail orbit
Not my problem
Whatever euno
Since am still angsting over what to be prioritized smhw
Crash dmg or vg kill zzzz
vague token
i havent even bothered with pvp cause it might boot me xD
finite valve
same
vague token
gotta wait for torp bomber points and core shop anyways
since those actually have new toys
frail orbit
Only for fleet tech anyway
Seems CN not gonna be ready for another USS meta tbh
Since CN got it for 1 year smhw
2017-2018 afaik
ionic magnet
Crash dmg or vg kill zzzz
its always been killing vg first
but with formi+cent crash dmg is possible now and its more fun that way imo (maybe im just biased)
vague token
maybe i should try like warspite/essex/intrepid crash xD
ionic magnet
wdym timings off
frail orbit
Just look at my calc on bombzen calc
ionic magnet
where 
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further up
frail orbit
124 formie, 169 cent @ionic magnet
frail orbit
Am getting another derp on 831 timing keks
https://thebombzen.com/azur-lane/airstrike-reload.html
But whatever. U could just use duncc calc for reload too smhw
ionic magnet
ok sorry but whats the problem
frail orbit
W/o bacon on cent
Not gonna hit 1-1.5s
The gap is 0.6s
While we know that the gap should at least be 1s right?
Else cent ryusei just gonna go anywhere
frail orbit
Basically am maximizing crash dmg on formie, while vg killing is for cent ryusei job
ionic magnet
i see
frail orbit
Since we gonna get 831
My usual thang usually like this tho
Cent pirates reppu ryusei
4mi seafury cuda alba
Either seafury or hellcats
jagged steppe
are you gonna use dbb+x2torp on formiddable?
ionic magnet
well 0.6s gap is not ideal yes but it should still work most of the time i think
jagged steppe
what is the purpose of fighter in pvp anyway plan had x4 health
ripe latch
7th marble , still rates down to 0? 
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kek
ionic magnet
actually no i remember testing timings before and yea you need atleast 0.9s minimum so
anything less is just added rng so up to you if youre fine with that
frail orbit
Which is why am angsting over it smhw
Basically
No way I could maximize crash dmg w/o actually compromizing vg kill smhw
Especially since wakai just hits on backline
And am not one to trust vg vs vg fight
As far as I concerned
They're only there to stall enemy vg, not to kill em ASAP
If it was KFC comp
That'd mean compromising backline kill tbh
ionic magnet
yep and its actually better if enemy VGs die a bit late esp juneau
frail orbit
Juneau should be killed ASAP anyway
vague token
i mean if she dies after a backliner goes down you've usually won
vague token
double cv crash focus with warspite usually handles that just fine
at least on offense
maybe not defense xD
more rng
frail orbit
But my concern not really for juneau atm
ionic magnet
yea i dont expect it to work on defense
ionic magnet
just bring your own nanoda
frail orbit
Nah I meant
When enemy nanoda still there
Need to kill nanoda asap
Or get cucked
ionic magnet
well yea happens sometimes
frail orbit
Besides we got no Azuma at least til this June
So how then
I meant for that kind of timing smhw
Its not good smhw
ionic magnet
you ditch ryuusei
elder crane
FC?
Bring aurora for easy kill on nanoda
Sirius can work with 3CV
frail orbit
No way
ionic magnet
elder crane
you need spot-on timing though
frail orbit
No way gonna ditch em annyway
Vg kill bruh
elder crane
down to <0.1s
elder crane
aurora can consistently 1-strike-kill nanoda with FC, if she doesn't die herself first
frail orbit
Perhaps bringing Aurora also if to slow her ass
Either her
Or Chapa
But we know gunbote aint gud r8
Other than zoomer
elder crane
Chapa is same debuff % as Sirius, isn't going to work with WFC probably
Hiryuu FC with Sirius worked though
frail orbit
Which is why just gonna go for aurora smhw
frail orbit
Who tf brought sankai smhw on def fleet
ionic magnet
aurora worked with kfc before so why not
frail orbit
vague token
frail orbit
Well aa is her forte
elder crane
but yeah, that was a bruh moment for me
who tf brings sandyret in current meta
well, turns out enough people to be annoying
frail orbit
So typical of AAtlantas
vague token
topkek
frail orbit
Not til FDG is here
elder crane
anyways, that's why I have HFC at T0.5
if everyone ran meta, it would be T0
but not everyone does
ionic magnet
elder crane
Sandyret is super annoying
Eld is annoying
and Enty is slightly annoying
none are meta yet enough people are stuck in 2k18 that I have to give the team T0.5 
frail orbit
Also too bored to actually use namahoe namaryuu namawakai
Especially since every Namagi comps reminded me the fact that I should brought a loli to every meta, HI3 or AL
At least Wakai aint loli smhw
So going back to timing problems
Aurora on juneau slot?
Or just forget nanoda on vg slot?
elder crane
Jun/Aurora/ykkz is what I used when I was trying it out back then
although, Jun/Aurora/Noshiro might be helpful in stopping Aurora from exploding as much
frail orbit
Or perhaps just do all hms meme smhw? Keks
Since my nod at d30 already
Still not oathed tho
hot creek
quick retire function is useless for those who need it the most 
vague token
havent even used it
ionic magnet
it needs you to have atleast 1 locked copy in your dock right?
yea thats not very useful
jagged steppe
I used quick retire function
pretty useful I think
just click and remove ship that you dont want to retire
but they should add ship rarity filter
cuz I dont want to retuire purple
ionic magnet
basically you still need to check everything which doesnt really help
vague token
jagged steppe
it waste less time than manual
by alot
you waste 5-10more second witohut this function
retiring 100 times you waste 1000s of your life
jagged steppe
it would be alot better if there is rarity filter with it
hot creek
i cant even use it cause I dont keep locked copies of many common ships
working with 2 free slots here
ionic magnet
yea thats my main issue too
jagged steppe
I had 340 slot
hot creek
im at 300 and refuse to buy more. I just need to delete a bunch of these trophy/monthly ships i never use
ionic magnet
hmm this heavy mist might be fun for pvp
vague token
what does it even do
ionic magnet
vague token
ive been auto
ionic magnet
accuracy -5%
vague token
oh lul
ionic magnet
vague token
floodlights would be a neat skill thing for detecting enemies
at least for pve
dunno about pvp
vague token
oh you mean a passive field effect
ionic magnet
yea
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not a turn on your lights mechanic
ionic magnet
weather effect
vague token
aww
elder crane
Yeah, some timed field effects would be nice too
elder crane
might force even more comp adjustments with timed field effects
vague token
add in a radar stat to reduce the penalty of weather maybe
flood light skill would reduce team penalty but increase the penalty on self
etc
ionic magnet
yea that too
elder crane
pipe dream of actually being able to pick where ships deploy would be amazing
jagged steppe
does multiple flood stacks?
elder crane
even if you could only shift them very slightly
vague token
yes
elder crane
yes, if different ID
vague token
long as different flood source
jagged steppe
good
vague token
same with fire actually as long as its a barrage or fireworks
elder crane
which all floods are diff ID if from diff source
vague token
no i mean
elder crane
barrage are mostly normal fire
jagged steppe
it just refrsh right?
vague token
it's on the combat page of wiki
which ones are different id
im working on my fire team still
fireworks, kirishima fireworks barrage, sara barrage
all separate fire types
elder crane
isn't Brem's one also separate
vague token
no idea, wiki isnt updated
elder crane
it even has nonstandard timer
vague token
but yeah should be
not sure what the coefficient is though
i was going to use atago before
but ill be swapping to bremerton
xD
although i might try her just normally
that's a strong dr skill in lead position
sanrui 
bremerton 
;)
sanrui is now ultra outdated lol
elder crane
So basically
Kiri with type3
Sara
Hermes
Brem
other stuff
and in PvE, Albacore too
vague token
yeah
elder crane
yeah, I should run the comparison calcs on Sanrui vs Brem sometime
vague token
ill probably do kirishima mid, sara, hyuuga for my fire comp
at least i think hyuuga hits the highest base fp for standard burn
im not sure on that
elder crane
Gascan muse with 457
elder crane
Musecan ammo overwrite
vague token
owo
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oh boi
well guess ill toss her in dorm some time
it's all coming together
too bad fireworks muse doesnt shoot a billion notes
all over
=(
shell heron
Sanrui is now ouclassed by normal ships. Meaning she's due for a skin 
vague token
35% evasion + 8 speed vs 20% dr
80 base evade but 15 luck vs 57 evade but 55 luck
barrage with 100% burn vs gun skill that decreases burn chance
elder crane
50 s of the eva vs 30 s of the DR
which does slightly come into play I think
jagged steppe
I switch from buldge to rudder on cls
they survive torp meme alot better
and survive nagato barrage alot better
past egret
Ok guys you know the drill
Point out everything wrong with my vid so I can improve for next time
ionic magnet
@past egret so i assume you want a full kms fleet?
i'll just point out the obvious ones
replace VH on fdg with rudder
replace rudders on your DDs with toolbox or maaybe FE
another seattle gun or nepgun for tirpitz aux
STAAG on all backliners
and tbh i'd use prinz instead of going full DDs
or roon if you have her
vague token
tossing an asw plane on warspite for pve since pvp is lul
wish we could do this on more bbs
granite flame
its my name on washington
@ionic magnet ive done roon leipzig prinz already
anything wrong with the fleet i fought? like i just got lucky with good RNG? bad fleet match up? etc
ionic magnet
its decent and probably above average imo
not the best ofc cos i dont see any ijns right there
granite flame
unfortunately i dont own more than 1 STAAG gear wise i just mimicked someone im orbiting, i assumed the rudders were for the skill + evasion for z1 skill
jagged steppe
dd dont need evasion ,use fire supressor instead - some anon in this ch
ionic magnet
kms DD eva are on the low side but still, toolbox would give them more survivability
and yea even moreso when z1 buffs their eva already
elder crane
Toolkit>rudder on CLs too in the PvP environment
DDs in general in PvP environment are
Good teams will munch them easily
Full KMS vanguard, best bet is probably Roon+Leip+erm, maybe Prinz?
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my cls kaput to torp meme / nagato without rudder
when I use rudder myt cls can survive 2nd torp /nagato first barrage/akagi kaga alot easier
im pretty sure boiler is better than toolbox in pvp
elder crane
@past egret
Staags should go on FdG, she needs it more
VH plate on her is kinda shit as was mentioned
Z1 has much better torps than Z23, so she should get rainbow mags
Akaga and Kaga, sure, if you somehow still have trouble with those two lol
Nagato, if no +hit is about the same
Vs torps rudder is pretty bad unless you're relying on RNG highroll to save you, vanguard hit stat is so high that the Eva isn't all that valuable
If your CL is particularly high HP though maybe overall
ionic magnet
im pretty sure boiler is better than toolbox in pvp
boiler is priority until you reach that sweet spot in speed yes
elder crane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/693265249503150130/unknown.png
VT-18 has been patched bois
SS courtesy of K5O
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!
ionic magnet
elder crane
3 ticks of that
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1800 damage for free
elder crane
slap in on Formi for sure I think
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*everything
elder crane
maybe on Hiryuu?
damage on vanguard vs damage on main then
don't forget it still has the shitty crash damage
300 instead of the 480 on cuda
bombercuda VT-18 Hiryuu time?
probably not given shitty crash damage 
ionic magnet
yea its atleast an option now
jagged steppe
crash damage doesn't scale on anything right?
ionic magnet
thats in EN right
elder crane
yes
bombercuda is next week
with core data shop reset
crash scales with only Avi
is affected by enemy AA
ionic magnet
elder crane
323 base damage or something like that?
CV is maxed solo Hiryuu, so like, what, 700, 800 avi?
so yeah, if it's just coeff scaling, .3 seems right
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that's like crazy coeff
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oh true
elder crane
hiryuu TBs are, what, 140%?
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150
elder crane
I'll try it on like a lv1 CVL later
see what damage it is then
yeah, some do that stat scaling too
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ok
i guess i havent used a double cata essex/formidable so im only used to like sub 400 ticks
elder crane
anyways, it's like Essex flood in per-tick, no?
but only 3 ticks
much better than Formi's skill flood
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600 ticks with double cata should be ok
formidable has the formation that is reliable
that's all
elder crane
Formi's flood is 🚮 even with max stats
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ok assuming no spaghetti xD
elder crane
VT-18 flood in code is 9 s duration, 3 s ticks, which means it should be affected by the DoT bug
upper sparrow
vt-18 dot fixed now? 
elder crane
but it isn't
yes, damage has been patched
it's pretty good now
like a worse essex flood/better formidable flood
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minus formidable's reliable formation
or just use it on formidable
double the flood double the fun
elder crane
formi flood at least back when I tested was 2 ticks, but if both waves hit the target, 3 ticks
due to the DoT bug
elder crane
I need to check later today if dot bug is still active
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where is sort by torp efficiency
reee
centaur probably next after hiryuu
and kaga
140
plus easy avi boost
elder crane
Cent is questionable since DoT only applies once and she has 4 TBs
elder crane
I think just the one, yes
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if we only get 1, hiryuu and her have the most tbs
in 1 slot
unless there's a 2:6 i dont remember
xD
elder crane
issue with Cent is that, again, 4 TB slot
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i mean that's the most proc chances
elder crane
you give up crash (vs cuda) or torp (vs ryuu) damage on 4 TBs for a flood that can only apply once
flood is still less valuable the more TBs in the slot
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what do you mean more tbs in the slot
elder crane
well, the more hits
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you mean too many planes so some of the torps go poof?
elder crane
no, as in procs of flood after the first are wasted
so like, 4 TBs is much less than twice the flood damage of 2 TBs on average
elder crane
but is twice of every other damage
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or rather 12 i guess
elder crane
you get worse flood to other damage ratio though
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vs 6
elder crane
so worse average flood to lost damage ratio
elder crane
let's say each torp has 50/50 to cause flood considering all effects, for simplicity, effect is same, say flood is same damage as one torp(+suicide) for simplicity
torp one on average is 1 torp + 0.5 flood damage
two on average is 2 torp + 0.75 flood damage
3 is 3 torp + 0.875 flood damage
etc.
so the more TBs you have, the worse the ratio of flood to other damage caused is
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yeah but we all know how 50-60% reliability is
elder crane
so the worse the ratio of the flood vs the lost suicide/torpedo damage of other options
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plus if you're landing each of those you're gaining torpedo damage
isnt that thing 337?
50 over cuda per hit
the loss is on crash
which is reliable damage
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yes all 260 base
although i guess it depends on how it lines up the torps
but most planes just do their 3 in a line
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does plane from extra skill like centaur swordfish/intrepid hell driver affacted by gas fuel speed bonus?
elder crane
So either you give up crash for mostly the flood with cudas
or you give up torp damage for mostly the flood with Ryuus
so for it to be the most worth it, you want on average the most flood damage to other damage ratio
the more TBs there are in the slot, the worse that ratio is
elder crane
no, for any proc %
elder crane
it's the same for any proc %
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plus you forget 4 planes means more coverage
2 planes means you probably target 2 ships at most
elder crane
the fundamental issue is not being able to stack the flood
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4 planes gives you higher ai odds
of hitting 1/3 bb backline
instead of dumping them on hiryuu or something
elder crane
the more often you stack the flood on itself, the worse your ratio will be
basically, average flood damage does not scale linearly with more TBs
it scales worse due to not being able to stack
jagged steppe
where can I look at plane capacity for each cv slot?
elder crane
yes, and more planes is less and less valuable
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i dunno
elder crane
someone made a chart of the most common CVs used
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you have 3 enemies
assuming 2 bbs
you can hit max 2 bbs with hiryuu
and that's not good odds given the third slot
two 66% chances for the ai
with 4 torp bombers
you get 4 66% ai chances
to target the correct bb/bc
on top of the 60% flood chance
if the torpedo distribution was reliable like formidable this wouldnt be a problem
but only formidable actually has a good formation
xD
elder crane
run the calcs
what the % to get the flood you want with 3 TB vs 4 TBs with those numbers
I guarantee you the 4 TB % will be a lot less than 1.33 times the 3 TB %
so on the 4th TB, the flood is much less valuable than before
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wait do line torps target vanguard
elder crane
they can hit vanguard, yes
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no, i mean do they launch when lined up with a vanguard
not can they hit
the torp planes deploy them when lined up with their target whoever it is
right?
elder crane
they launch at a position that usually hits vanguard, yes
yes, they do target vanguard
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so that means you have two viable targets out of 6
yeah id rather have 4
to force more rolls
when can we get plane formations like formi =(
elder crane
again, run the calcs I just showed
the 4th roll is much less valuable than the first 3
while the amount of torp/suicide you give up is no less valuable
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i mean, it does boost the suicide of your other 2 planes
i doubt it actually will end up like that
id take the more rolls every day
if i was gonna use it
elder crane
???? run the calcs on the numbers you like
you will see the effect
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also im really doubting the stack inefficiency vs the other torps
because the base damage is so high
assuming all 3 plane categories are landing all 3 torps
this cuda will come out on top
even with wasted flood
elder crane
???
obviously ryuus have much higher hitrate on torps lol
cudas miss a good chunk of their torps all the time
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on backline?
it's still 1/6
if a line torp targets a backline it's gonna hit unless vg catches
those odds are the same when vg is up
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oh wait im thinking they deploy the torps in a line formi
so wait there's not really wasted flood unless you roll bad then in that case
elder crane
the flood on the 4th TB is much less valuable than the flood on the first 3
the suicide/torp damage you lose is obviously as valuable on any TB
so the 4th TB benefits less from using VT-18 in the slot
So 4 slot in general, all else being equal, are less likely to like VT-18 than 3 slot or by similar argument, 2 slot
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cause than there's lower odds of even hitting a guy more than once
elder crane
???
parallel TBs stack up their torps very hard
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if they stack them than you're winning on torp damage
elder crane
no, cause you only hit 1/3-2/3 on each plane
while ryuus hit ~2/3 or so when vanguard is up, and 3/3 when vanguard is dead
VT-18 hitting 2/3 torps per plane is 674 base damage of torps
Ryuus hitting 3 is 780
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that's pretty good considering the flood
and the 188 crash of ryuusei
sounds like a net win on that front
elder crane
again
only the first flood you apply matters
the more torps you hit on same target, the less valuable flood is
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and? you did 674 + wasted flood has already overwhelmed ryuusei damage
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in which case you've still gotten a net positive vs ryuusei though
even with the waste
cuda is the only questionable one
elder crane
when vanguard is up, maybe
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well yeah, that's where line torps are useful xD
elder crane
when vanguard is down, parallels will only hit 1/3 usually, 2/3 rarely
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but it does at least have 300 crash
so even a 1 torp with crash is 630 to ryuusei 800 or so
which isnt too bad really
elder crane
doesn't make up for 780 vs ~400 at best on average torpedo damage
elder crane
crash doesnt scale with effs, so need to scale that
although I suppose torps can be evaded etc.
let's just call that a wash
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i mean that's still ok
1 hit of 337 + 300 flat
vs 3 hits of 266 + 188 flat
isnt a terrible loss
elder crane
968 vs 637 per plane
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yeah, and that's only when you've murdered every vanguard
instead of just all the time reliability like cuda
well, then again it does boost damage on bb type by 3% so that helps a tiny bit
xD
elder crane
331 damage loss, on 4 TBs, 1.33k or so?
but then a flood is basically 1k damage anyways base, roughly, after accounting for coeff and AA Dred
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flood ignoring aa helps a lot
so the beefier the aa of the target the better flood wins but that's normal for those
cinder crater
No way I somehow beat this fleet
elder crane
huh, so it doesn't even really lose to Ryuus as long as the flood gets ticks in after vanguard is dead
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i mean
cinder crater
This is my own fleet
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i dunno
i still want to try it first
xD
im not really sure it's a global improvement
and obvious if they run double or triple cv you get memed
elder crane
but the hitrate does drop down an abyss after a main fleet ship dies too
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it's only as strong as the opponent is meta
elder crane
since then torps can completely miss
elder crane
why memed if they run multiple CVs?
elder crane
yes?
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oh i wasnt sure
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lemme see if i can buy it
elder crane
nonmeta is food anyways
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kek