pvp

[ionic magnet]

usually TB hits for 1.3-1.4k
and crash dmg hits for 1.2k

[vague token]

including pvp mode

[frail orbit]

The more u put Cuda

The more. Crash dmg

Even 831 Cuda

[ionic magnet]

so yea its good chunk of dmg esp when its 100% guaranteed dmg

[frail orbit]

And u still need to reppu for AA bait tbh

[upper sparrow]

how armor break work? is bb with ap shelling like warkai give a guaranteed armor break?

[ionic magnet]

no armor break is 🚮

[zenith tundra]

only shs and bb ap mg can armor break

[vague token]

and baltimore

xD

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter

[upper sparrow]

shs is black shell bb aux?

[frail orbit]

Balti SHS aint she

[ionic magnet]

low chance to proc, low duration, low bonus dmg and only works with BB shells

[upper sparrow]

oh nvm, ammo type

[zenith tundra]

yeah ammo type

[vague token]

balti is like "AP+"

not shs

[zenith tundra]

some barrages can actually armor break if they are shs

[frail orbit]

Smhw wanna buy her skin ASAP bur here ya go fooken login issue on avrora

[vague token]

shs is for bb

[frail orbit]

Massa

[upper sparrow]

in balti description skill she will give 8% armor break on (?) chance, so when enemy got armor break other ship shelling will hurt more then?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

if you shell you get bonus

if only it was any damage >_>

or converted your armor category

[zenith tundra]

a bit too 1 sided

[upper sparrow]

if only it was any damage >_>

wdym? only on same type damage or what?

[vague token]

i mean any damage is amped

or scaling based on how good the gun is at lighter armor

[zenith tundra]

armor break affects mg dmg which is good enough

[vague token]

like i would make it so it boosts 100 pound bombs and stuff

eg things that appreciate lighter armor

[ionic magnet]

8% bonus dmg is

[vague token]

if we had torpedos with different armor ratios same thing

[upper sparrow]

HE torp

[zenith tundra]

8% bonus dmg on 457 shoots sounds good enough

[vague token]

yeah but you either need to get lucky on the first shot

or have another ap gunner

[jagged steppe]

but how to get 457

[vague token]

20% activation rate on guns

is bad

[zenith tundra]

u just need to play

[ionic magnet]

if you consider its 20% chance to proc

its really garbage

[vague token]

the duration is tiny too

[zenith tundra]

the buff itself is not that bad it's just stupid to apply and too random

[vague token]

so if you dont proc it for yourself, you have to roll again next time

it's barely functional as a team/timing mechanic given the tiny proc rate

using 457 you only get 6 chances

obviously the most important one is the 1st bullet

so yeah armor break basically might as well not exist outside of the skills with 100% activation

at least you can plan around those

[zenith tundra]

u have intrepid to apply armor break 100%

[upper sparrow]

wot

[vague token]

oh sorry i also forgot that armor break only works on heavy btw

[upper sparrow]

wait what

[zenith tundra]

if u can time her airstrike and 818 slow with a strong mg like fdg it should be fine

[ionic magnet]

but then you have intrepid

[upper sparrow]

so balti skill is useless on <w10 then?

[vague token]

there is ONE source of armor break that works on everything

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

intrepid only works on bb/bbv/bc

so medium armor bcs lul

[upper sparrow]

is it effective on triple bb meta then?

[zenith tundra]

the only other havy armors are lusty class and taihou

[ionic magnet]

its a nice bonus but not worth building a team around

[vague token]

you cant plan around it so not really

i use triple 410 atm which has the highest chance (3 bullets per mount) and it pops up once in a blue moon

id rather gamble on the ap dive bomber

at least it covers the same area as a 1600 bomb

and works on all armor

and slightly higher chance at 24

[upper sparrow]

well forgot to think if intrepid can survive nagato big seven or get a rain of hms bb barrage before launch her strike

[zenith tundra]

that's plain and simple useless because the dmg u lose from helldivers heavily out weights the chance that a bb shoots that exact target

[jagged steppe]

reno reduce damage taken 10!

[vague token]

i meant if i want to build around armor break

at least it works on light

boost that he shelling

or azuma shelling

xD

[zenith tundra]

where u don't even need them

[vague token]

exactly

the mechanic is useless

the ap dive bomber is the best use of a useless mechanic

but have fun trading away a billion damage for a tiny boost

[buoyant parrot]

26 hours Avrora Offline >__>

[upper sparrow]

im still want to meet that dido comp i fought before mt, that comp is surely legit, i will post here if i met him again

[jagged steppe]

its online now

[ionic magnet]

is 48 hrs maint possible

[buoyant parrot]

not for everyone

[ionic magnet]

any bets?

[zenith tundra]

u can't get in so it's the same as being down

[buoyant parrot]

yes

can't blame them

damn corona

[zenith tundra]

i don't blame i just want to see solutions to the problems soon

[blazing scroll]

There's no ETA tho

[buoyant parrot]

I miss my Wife Purin

[ionic magnet]

i just want to pat my gascan

[buoyant parrot]

and the Hammbite that we spam in guild chat. I miss that too

[upper sparrow]

@zenith tundra zack can u count dido comp def fleet as anti-formi cent comp? that kgv-qe-warkai and triple maid vanguard i met beat my comp so hard. well maybe my 116 lv noshiro can be a variable to my losses

already try reset 4 times and still lose

[jagged steppe]

pvp is unplayable now?

[upper sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

who is ur 3rd outside of formi cent?

[blazing scroll]

You'd think people would use anti-formi cent comps?

[upper sparrow]

warkai

vg is classic ykkz-jun-noshi, but noshi still lvl 116 tho

my backline already maxed

[ionic magnet]

are you sure youre not underlevelled

[zenith tundra]

try and put defensive items to ur ws. rudder sg

and make her tank focus

[buoyant parrot]

is there even an "anti-formi" or any other ship in general when you can just beat the shit out of everyone using META

[jagged steppe]

^

[buoyant parrot]

[blazing scroll]

What's meta?

Because I have my own meta

[ionic magnet]

yea thing is wfc should roll any comp if youre using bis gears

[zenith tundra]

i literally lost to a namagi fdg with wfc....

[buoyant parrot]

FDG, Nagato, Amagi. Azuma, Jesus, nanoda

[jagged steppe]

[ionic magnet]

well im not saying it has 100% wr

[upper sparrow]

hmm well i use sg radar and white shell for warkai, maybe i can use rudder later

[ionic magnet]

but very rare

[blazing scroll]

I'm still using my USS fleet

[ionic magnet]

should you lose

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

use it now if u want to win

u need ws to tank because losing any cv is much worse

[upper sparrow]

but i need to meet him again, and that comp is weird enough im not even surprised not even 5 player using that def comp

[blazing scroll]

But can it win against my USS fleet?

[jagged steppe]

I use this to tank enemy warspite

[upper sparrow]

ahh what i can do is praying now

[jagged steppe]

also enemy nagato

[upper sparrow]

[crisp niche]

is pvp still broken?

[jagged steppe]

yes

[zenith tundra]

if u won is fine but u should always have ws tank against ws opponents with more defensive gear

[crisp niche]

let's hope it fixes itself before next reset then

[upper sparrow]

next week u mean

[blazing scroll]

Nah, we're aiming for 36hrs of reset

Maybe 48 after that

[zenith tundra]

i don't see it ending anytime soon unless people stop playing

[ripe latch]

rn fleet its free food

[upper sparrow]

if u won is fine but u should always have ws tank against ws opponents with more defensive gear

so, rudder + sg, or rudder beaver?

[jagged steppe]

sg

[zenith tundra]

rudder sg should surface

[upper sparrow]

[ionic magnet]

whats your aux on cent and formi

put atleast 1 eva gear on both of them and make sure youre tanking enemy ws with formi

[upper sparrow]

beaver + avgas on formi, and avgas + rudder on cent

[ionic magnet]

mm looks good

[upper sparrow]

eh no it steam cata+ avgas on centy on that time

i just change it recently to rudder

[ionic magnet]

youre using double cuda?

[upper sparrow]

cuda on cent, form ryuusek

[ionic magnet]

ah theres the problem

[upper sparrow]

yup maybe ill try double cudas

[ionic magnet]

yea and if for some reason you really like to use ryuusei, its much bettrr to put it on cent instead

so you can guarantee that it hits

[zenith tundra]

u can time fromi stop with cent ryuusei

it works almost perfectly

[upper sparrow]

im used to double cudas all the time but change it to cuda-ryuusei bcs it look fun

[forest lake]

Oh yikes

The new TB only has like

Decimal places more DPS over Cuda

[upper sparrow]

it satisfying to look ryuusei with skin chasing enemy vg

[buoyant parrot]

I remember someone experimented Formi with another CV that has Ryusei and has the timing to knock out Vanguards. I forgot who experimented with that before. Seems feasible

[ionic magnet]

wait how @forest lake

didnt it have like 50 more base dmg

[zenith tundra]

not really when i tested it it dealt like 30% more dmg then cudas per torp on heavy

[forest lake]

Sec

While having lower crash damage

[zenith tundra]

it has 17% more base damage

[forest lake]

The reload kills it ig

[ionic magnet]

@buoyant parrot yes plenty of us here tested formi and cent ryuusei combo
its really fun cos it can instagib enemy VGs

[zenith tundra]

a miracle. i can finally play en

[hot creek]

za warudo ryuusei memes aren't as good as they once were

[ionic magnet]

but double cuda is still the more consistent in performance so yea

[upper sparrow]

is sandy can effectively reduce ryuusei damage?

just asking

[jagged steppe]

sandy had like 80% plane dmg reduction

[buoyant parrot]

@buoyant parrot yes plenty of us here tested formi and cent ryuusei combo
its really fun cos it can instagib enemy VGs
@ionic magnet see yeah them I thought so... Was focus on BB's back then so I have no time to join the fray. and my Cent is 114 that time

[ionic magnet]

sandy can kill a few planes but no she cant stop ryuuseis from being dropped
tho her high AA gives her dmg reduction

[blazing scroll]

She can give the entire fleet higher AA dmg reduction

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

there aren't many sandy on defense anyway

[frail orbit]

Most would be like

Yuki Jun XX

If they try to be serious

[jagged steppe]

(1- [150/(150+total AA)] )*100

sandy had 800 aa

go math

[blazing scroll]

I got one in my USS fleet

[jagged steppe]

uss ships taking alot less plane dmg compare to other nation

[blazing scroll]

And I'm serious

I just don't use yuki

[buoyant parrot]

but why?

🇳 🇦 🇩 🅰️ is PvP Lord

[blazing scroll]

Because I run vg with Juneau, Sandy, SanRui

[buoyant parrot]

oh

[blazing scroll]

As long as people don't have max Azuma I have no problems wiping vg early on

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra yf17 worth it on cent or formi?

[blazing scroll]

Don't know what will happen if Azuma is maxed

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra yf17 worth it on cent or formi?

[buoyant parrot]

sandy is your weakest link in that VG frontline well IMO

[blazing scroll]

Don't know what will happen if Azuma is maxed

Sandy helps cleaning up vg

And provides AA support

[jagged steppe]

kill her or join her

[blazing scroll]

Sandy helps cleaning up vg

And provides AA support

[jagged steppe]

kill her or join her

[zenith tundra]

sure u can. it can help min maxing their timings as well as does good dmg on centaur

[frail orbit]

VF17 on Cent

[zenith tundra]

sure u can. it can help min maxing their timings as well as does good dmg on centaur

[frail orbit]

Or Formie

Depends on ur timing

1-1.5s is the magic timing

[ionic magnet]

wait are we getting vf17 in core shop

[zenith tundra]

not en

[ripe latch]

april

[ionic magnet]

ah

[buoyant parrot]

wow I manage to get in. The moment I did try to collect the daily log in reward it kicked me out

😂

potato

[zenith tundra]

i had to get 3 times in before it let me play

[buoyant parrot]

D:

[karmic forum]

I'm still avoiding PvP though

Don't really have a choice

[ionic magnet]

watch them roll you back anyways

[zenith tundra]

fuck pvp at this point. i'd rather be able to play then stare at the login screen for 2.5k merit

[blazing scroll]

Pulling ships isn't advised either

[buoyant parrot]

im really starting to get pissed of at intrepids face.... It's like she's mocking me that I can't log in to the server....

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[karmic forum]

Yeah damn that HMS Intrepid

[jagged steppe]

I like how they have chinese word here

[ripe latch]

ching

[buoyant parrot]

finally im in

[jagged steppe]

k

[zenith tundra]

seems like na people are finally going to bed so we can enter

[buoyant parrot]

OH NOES A BOUGHT A SNACK AND NOW THE MANJUS ARE JUMPING AGAIN!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Curse you DORM!!!!

[zenith tundra]

🇫

[jovial sedge]

why sandy why?

[buoyant parrot]

im starting to lose faith lol

my Purin... I'm so sorry smol wan

[zenith tundra]

if u are stuck is better off to try and relog imo

[buoyant parrot]

yeah been doing that for a few mins now

[jovial sedge]

i was not able to log in 2nd day

[zenith tundra]

i think i'll just leave my pc on for the next 2 weeks with emu alway open

[buoyant parrot]

LOL!

damn this event

X___x

[empty grove]

So have the servers stopped shitting themselves yet

[buoyant parrot]

nope

[empty grove]

Jesus

[zenith tundra]

still pretty shitty but managed to login

[buoyant parrot]

its shitting diarrhea with blood now

[empty grove]

I aint touching pvp

Fuck this season

Legit tho

Extended maintenance to lose 5

Rollbacks boosting score

[zenith tundra]

it is a shitty season and not worth the risk of not being able to play

[empty grove]

You go to 0 in order to combat that & still lose 10 matches

[zenith tundra]

at this rate there won't be another pvp season for sandbagging if u cannot relog

[blazing scroll]

I mean it is one way to ensure people are no longer sandbagging

[jagged steppe]

how2solve sandbagging

200iq

[jovial sedge]

some can play and some not? : /

i cant get into sandy

[zenith tundra]

people that are in can play

people that aren't just have to pray they get in

[jovial sedge]

WOW

hope they do rollback ><

to all

cos this is not fair

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

Who cares about being fair

Muh 60 coobs

501 for research ASAP pls

[ripe latch]

admin says server full

sparta login - one enter another disconnected

[jagged steppe]

its not just login problem

if the server speed is enough

there wont be any munju jumping all the time

right now manjuu jjumping all the time

WTF

[zenith tundra]

yep

[buoyant parrot]

Game Server Not Open now

lol

[jagged steppe]

just not open

not server's down

the game isjust not open

server is not open =/= server is down

pepelaugh

[ripe latch]

7th yorktown why rates so degen

[jagged steppe]

is this some kind of

google translate

or something

[empty grove]

I got booted too

Lmao

All my shit is screencapped

Like every tiny thing

[zenith tundra]

i got 6 intrepid and 0 reno nice rate up

[empty grove]

0 faith

[jagged steppe]

I got 2 int 2 reno

[empty grove]

2 int, 1 reno

[jagged steppe]

I got 6 graf 0 u47

just saying

[empty grove]

U47 hard fucked me too

[jagged steppe]

live streaming en azur lane on bilibili site

why I laugh

[zenith tundra]

to show how much en sucks

[jagged steppe]

I was doing c3

and got randomly booted

cannot play pvp,cannot do event either,server got fucked every week.

[coral wren]

This is getting annoying now

Server is full again

[ripe latch]

just play with meme fleets

[midnight heron]

be thankful u guys even managed to get in

[coral wren]

I got in for a bit then dced randomly

some dude took my spot

I was about to clear hard 3

[zenith tundra]

that's because they just don't do anything more then dc people but not actually improve the server capacity. it will always end up full

[coral wren]

I'm just praying some noob gets dced so I can get back

Ok I can't even get on Lexington wtf

this is truly a cursed event

managed to join sandy but the loading shit is still there

[hot creek]

arent they still under maintenance, how are people even still playing on sandy/avrora lol

[empty grove]

It's ok

I see this atm

[coral wren]

I spam log in until someone gets dced

[zenith tundra]

it live maintenance they don't close the game just let people try and login to see the problems

[blazing scroll]

They should just block everybody from joining the servers and fix their shit instead of these shenanigans

[midnight heron]

ikr lmao i was like tf

[coral wren]

Can't even touch pvp cuz that shit will dc you 100%

[midnight heron]

u guys announce maint but still allow ppl to login

counterproductive

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

At this point I am not surprised that we will hit 48hrs maintenance

[coral wren]

I'm just farming event map until it dc me

anyone got hit by rollback here?

[hot creek]

can u check the leaderboard

[coral wren]

Ah gimme a sec

[empty grove]

I checked the event one before

Max is on like 6k

People usually on like 15k atm

[coral wren]

oh wait the event

[empty grove]

Inb4 like 15k

One dude sacked out & stayed on

[hot creek]

damn, so it looks like some players were able to spend their charges

[coral wren]

Still 6k. no one can farm properly cuz of random dc

[empty grove]

Yep

I recognise no names on avrora either

[coral wren]

You can do pvp but you'll get dced after every fight

It registers but ye

It's not worth it

[empty grove]

I'd rather lose the 2.5k merits

Fuck it

[coral wren]

I'd rather farm

Even clicking the refresh button will get you dced

Hope they fix this shit as soon as possible

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

What server

[ripe latch]

degengton(washi)

[coral wren]

[lapis bolt]

???

[coral wren]

rip this season

[jagged steppe]

server is up

im in

[shy hazel]

great game

good thing im in hiatus

heard avrora still in ICU

[frail orbit]

Ye

[hot creek]

i just keep getting connection errors

[frail orbit]

[hot creek]

sandy also dead

[shy hazel]

you know its a good game

when the devs tell u to quit

indirectly

[hot creek]

Quitting would be good for me.

but I wanna finish pr2 first

sunk cost fallacy, I know.

[frail orbit]

Lul

Am just planning to quit my other game but I cant smhw

[jagged steppe]

avrora server right now

[ripe latch]

sandy server

[forest lake]

[sour oasis]

I'd quit, but what would I do with my time?

[blazing scroll]

Play something else?

[sudden spoke]

I've heard steam has some free games atm due to the quaratine some places. Might want to check that

[inner zenith]

gib list of free fun ones

[sour oasis]

Any offline Android games to recommend?

[empty owl]

So what's everyone's thoughts on the new ships?

[finite valve]

ask that question after they fix the server

[polar wren]

how should we know, we're on Sandy

[finite valve]

even on avrora i don't think anyone have time or even attempt to try new ship tbh

[zenith tundra]

my intrepid is only level 50 who knows when she will reach 120 for tests. outside of her nothing really worth mentioning for pvp

[empty owl]

I'm sorry

[forest lake]

Reno looks p ok ig

[polar wren]

my Intrepid was lost to rollback so....

[forest lake]

Great self AA

Her damage is like Sandy's without the MGM but with more FP

[zenith tundra]

reno does what yukikaze does but only for cv/l and doesn't even have heal

also less tanky and more gun based which is not really great

maybe if aa was needed and u would use a 3cv setup she could work but u don't really need aa nor use 3 cv

[finite valve]

tbh aa only matter if you use under level ship or JP base fleet

most of the time 1 or 2 cv are enough

[elder crane]

Reno is literally worse version of Sandyret, less damage, less AA
Sandyret isn't even in meta

[finite valve]

by this point does aa even matter in pvp?

cv comp are just free win by this point

[static gull]

I think sandyret is just a can without armour

dies easily

[safe meteor]

whats currently the best vanguard comp?

Juneau, Noshiro, Yukikaze?

[blazing scroll]

Not enough Sandy

[safe meteor]

(until dev30 Azuma rolling around)

[zenith tundra]

till azuma dev over 20-25 yes

[safe meteor]

alright

but would Juneau, Azuma dev25+, Yukikaze win from the one with Noshiro replacing Azuma?

would think Azuma dying real fast from the increased torp dmg being Medium armor?

[zenith tundra]

noshiro helps keeping alive ur vg longer against torp. azuma does dmg to vg and is more tanky then noshiro

[safe meteor]

was this tested before?

mirror match, but one diff ship being Azuma and Noshiro?

[zenith tundra]

at 8k hp at dev 25 even ibuki noshiro doesn't really get to bring azuma under 50% hp

[karmic forum]

btw is doing pvp still causing infinite loading?

[static gull]

you haven't got a match again this compilation ?

[safe meteor]

Azuma? havent seen one at dev25+

and my go to team is Warspite kai, Formidable, Centaur/Hiryuu kai

(dont have Amagi sadly)

[static gull]

i've seen 25 dev azuma on sandy or about 25, hmmm

[safe meteor]

wonder if i bring this team, would that beat it nicely

[zenith tundra]

i tested azuma against noshiro and i never seen noshiro do much tbh on defense

[safe meteor]

Formidable would hit Azuma easily

[zenith tundra]

she just usually dies as fast as others vg

[safe meteor]

what you bring ?

[zenith tundra]

juneau azuma yuki

idk what equip people put on her but i still haven't seen 1 noshiro survive as long as yukikaze can do or azumas on average

[safe meteor]

Azuma dev lvl?

[zenith tundra]

my azuma is max on jp

[safe meteor]

how do they build Noshiro, with Oxy torps?

[static gull]

usually without

[safe meteor]

i thought she would survive a bit better with her +15 evasion rate and with some defensive gear

[zenith tundra]

i really cannot tell tbh it's not obvious the difference in between equip on some ships

[safe meteor]

i guess Azuma dev25+ gonna be real tough then

i didnt see one yet, so i got no real idea how hard that gonna be to take out

what equips on her?

[zenith tundra]

she stalls just like yukikaze

gyro rudder/armor

on azuma

[shell heron]

Oh I can get in but pvp is bad.

[zenith tundra]

rudder better against cv/torp armor better against bb

[shell heron]

Cant finish a match

[safe meteor]

armor?

oh i see

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/VH_Armor_Plating

[safe meteor]

and your main fleet?

FdG Amagi, and then Warkai or Nagato i reckon

[zenith tundra]

my backlines change all the time tbh. i've been switching around meta comps to not get to bored of one

[safe meteor]

i see

[zenith tundra]

i generally use ws amagi fdg when i need to rush

otherwise namagi fdg or namaryuu

[safe meteor]

the old meta team still good with Warspite and FdG running around?

[zenith tundra]

against ws defense u usually just need a good tank

[safe meteor]

so FdG?

[zenith tundra]

fdg, hiryuu works too, even amagi if u want to save hiryuu final counter as much as possible

suruga also can tank

[safe meteor]

do you need Amagi with VH armor then?

[zenith tundra]

for actual tanking yes

i don't usually bother with armor since all i need to do is stall for opponent vg to die and then hiryuu can finish the fight by herself

[safe meteor]

Warkai doesnt kill Amagi real fast without her VH armor?

[zenith tundra]

i usually use beaver sg on her so she is not that squishy

[safe meteor]

so ive been equipping my Warskai with the Acc boosting gear lately

[zenith tundra]

i use armor at all times on hiryuu so it's a pain to change all the time that's why i don't bother with that

[elder crane]

Eva equip is just as good as armor vs shelling

And gets less smacked by torps

Armor is better vs plane suicide, but worse vs plane munitions

The main reason to use armor is that it screws with Amagi and Nagato barrage damage (if used on medium armor ship)

If you're not really looking to do either,
Just use rudder or badge

[safe meteor]

ive been doing that too, keeping armor on Hiryuu

i thought armor was best to screw with Warspite dmg

[zenith tundra]

it's a big boost to hiryuu hp that is kind of low

[elder crane]

I've run the calcs, rudder is pretty much just as good

[karmic forum]

why not both?

[zenith tundra]

u can't equip 2 rudders so i have to use armor

[elder crane]

Yeah, I sometimes do that, lol

Rudder/Badge is quite a bit worse than Rudder/Armor

Eva scaling

Problem with that is torps sometimes just randomly slam her

Which is more annoying than anything, but still

[safe meteor]

ah so dont equip the 10/150 aviation fuel?

[elder crane]

Avgas is pretty whatever these days

Low AA environment

[safe meteor]

i see

[frail orbit]

Besides

[elder crane]

Losing beacon is annoying though

[frail orbit]

When ur fighter is Reppu

[safe meteor]

but we cant really take advantage of it sadly?

[zenith tundra]

if u want damage use aviation fuel. i use hiryuu as a anti-reset ship. it's pretty impossible to reset if u save her final counter for a long period

[frail orbit]

And only for AA baiting

Be like

[elder crane]

VF-17 master race obviously

[safe meteor]

i gonna give that a try next time

[elder crane]

I prefer beacon first for damage aux

[safe meteor]

beacon for Hiryuu?

[elder crane]

It's nice to be able to eventually prempt CVs / not get prempted

Especially in Hiryuu duel scenarios

[zenith tundra]

i haven't really tested the difference in between aviation fuel and beacon especially since armor came out

[static gull]

is 4% matters ?

[safe meteor]

it means you strike faster than the mirror

[elder crane]

It means you eventually prempt their CV launch/not get prempted

Hit strike before they even launch

[frail orbit]

IAMSPEED basically

[safe meteor]

do you oath all your pvp ships ?

[elder crane]

Unlike using shitty planes, doesn't gimp damage too

Not 100% necessary but difference is very much noticable

[safe meteor]

so far i only oathed Yukikaze, FdG

[zenith tundra]

almost all that i usually want to test in pvp

[safe meteor]

planning to oath Azuma

[zenith tundra]

the 2 exception will be qe and dido

[safe meteor]

dont even know if i wanna oath Juneau

[elder crane]

If you want to do testing, req is pretty much full oath, or results are

If you just want to do PvP, whatever really

[safe meteor]

im mostly f2p, my rings are limited

and not like pvp actually matters?

[karmic forum]

I stopped oathing for the sole purpose of PvP

[static gull]

oathing means a lot in pvp

[karmic forum]

Comps change all the time anyways

[safe meteor]

yea, thats what i thought

i oathed Belfast

[elder crane]

I oath most of my 120s that are good, so

[karmic forum]

I bet PR3 will shake things up

[safe meteor]

my very first oath

how many rings you got around?

[static gull]

i use belfast in pvp and you know, it's decent ship, not the best, but that's what i got

[karmic forum]

zero, I only buy rings when theres a ring pack

[safe meteor]

i use vs fox, but they are rare nowadays

[zenith tundra]

i oathed sendai, aurora, foxes, juneau, suruga, and ws for pvp only purposes

[safe meteor]

wow

[charred sable]

Ahhh, finally managed to log in to Avrora, did one exercise, and now fked on loading after second exercise

[safe meteor]

dont think i would use any except Juneau in most of my team

[zenith tundra]

don't do pvp just play the game

[charred sable]

At this point Admiral of the Navy is impossible right?

[safe meteor]

you would think pve would freeze as well then? which is gonna be worse with the oil you using

[zenith tundra]

if u really care about that u it might take forever to use all attempts...

[static gull]

i use vs fox, but they are rare nowadays
@safe meteor not so rare ))

[zenith tundra]

nah pve is fine

been grinding with no problems

[karmic forum]

Even though servers are stable, I'm not touching PvP in the off chance that it will cause my progress to get rolled back

[safe meteor]

i think they are around the 7th most used main fleet ship i see

1. Amagi
2. Warspite kai
3. Nagato,
4. Hiryuu
5. Enterprise
6. memes
7. Kaga + Akagi
   something like that

[elder crane]

AotN score is still possible, but glhf hitting the rank required if you didn't take advantage of getting rolled back

AKaga is still common for legacy reasons, yeah

[zenith tundra]

the problem is getting stuck after each attack and risking dc

[safe meteor]

i used to bring Nakaga a lot

then i switched to HMS carriers

with KGV

[zenith tundra]

i usually don't ever use ships that are 120

[safe meteor]

i bring some of em

[zenith tundra]

if u mean pvp my most used comp is namaryuu by far

[safe meteor]

i bring as many that is needed in a fight

Namaryuu still?

i see warspite a lot more replacing one of the old comp teams

like Amagi Warspite Hiryuu, or Amagi Nagato Warspite

Namaryuu is semi rare for me, they die so fast with Warkai

[zenith tundra]

people use what they like and i've been using namaryuu since nagato event in en 1 year ago

[shell heron]

you can kinda do a match and hope you don't get kicked on competion

[safe meteor]

hmm? so you mean hope to face meme fleets?

[shell heron]

or it kicks you every time, but still counts the match

[safe meteor]

oooh

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather farm then waste time on login screen

[static gull]

all we need is ranger ret, right ? ))

and some luck

[safe meteor]

huh?

oh

[zenith tundra]

u mean a lot of luck?

[static gull]

ought to be the luckiest person in your town

[safe meteor]

if it was a fighting game, someone with perfect inputs would be at the top with Rnger,

[static gull]

So far as we can rerun every battle it's ppssible

[zenith tundra]

u can also build a meta team and almost never reset in 1st place

[safe meteor]

6-12 hours, you got kind of a cap on resets... and sanity

[static gull]

i reset almost with everyone whose fleet is 13500/13500 +

[safe meteor]

i check the enemy first

the KMS fleet are easy even at 14000/14000

[zenith tundra]

well pvp ships are event locked so i guess is normal till u get actual good ships

[safe meteor]

hmm,

there is Warspite kai, guess thats kinda event locked

Juneau Yukikaze are easy to get

PR ships..... thats gonna take a while

guess Juneau Belfast Yukikaze would be an easy team to start out with till you get a better vanguard which gonna take a while

hmm, and for main fleet

[crisp niche]

Is pvp still broken?

[safe meteor]

Kaga Akagi coming to mind,

Enterprise maybe,

almost every BB is event locked eh?

[static gull]

instead of belfast i'd choose noshiro

[zenith tundra]

actually vg got much easier to get after yuki was added to perma

[safe meteor]

Noshiro is event locked

[static gull]

then juntsuu

[safe meteor]

i would choose Noshiro over Belfast

Jintsuu in chapter 10-4....

hmm,

actualy, 10-4 should not be too hard to reach with this lvl 120 lvl cap

last time i did the Jintsuu grind was i think with 110 lvl cap, i dunno how its gonna be now

[elder crane]

lv100 was annoying
lv110 should be pretty trivial, especially with safe

[zenith tundra]

my jintsuu grind was 3 days after w10 came out without threat level

[safe meteor]

i see

and now, you can even get Jintsuu from SOS chapter 10

[split socket]

finally managed to login and I decide to be dumb and try pvp z_z

[elder crane]

Yeah, when I run 10-5, I get Jint like twice a month

isn't login not so RNG anymore?

just slow

[safe meteor]

my friend sended me this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554037323239522313/692795513363365888/video0.mov

[safe meteor]

Kawakaze just throwing her parasol against that loading thing,
and then trying to stab it with her sword

[magic star]

just logged in Sandy, already seeing guys in top with 100 extra points

[safe meteor]

i lucked out doing my 10 exercise before maintenance

(although im not in Sandy)

[jovial sedge]

Fucking shit sandy still not working?

[zenith tundra]

they never really fixed servers...

[jovial sedge]

So what now? I cant log in into game 2nd day

[zenith tundra]

just try and login and wait if it loads

[hot creek]

im in, theres a couple who defintely were able to do their pvps during the "outage".

im down like 50 points from top now

[jovial sedge]

Musy jave epic low chances those new ships.... Got there finallu build 20 and noth friggin enty

[vague token]

i logged in but it's chunky

[zenith tundra]

farming feels a bit laggy but nothing too bad

[shell heron]

it's a little better now that the build rush slowed down

game felt really bad an hour ago

[zenith tundra]

it wasn't like unplayable level of lag. surely better then staring at login screen

[inner zenith]

time to try pvp and hope it i can get pass the boot

UWU

what is this infinite loading

😭

[coral wren]

new uss ships are useless for pvp once again, right?

[zenith tundra]

pretty much yes

[vague token]

dont expect any eagle ships for pvp until we get a flag

[coral wren]

ok, thx. That;s pretty much all i needed to know

[vague token]

at minimum

minus juneau

of course

[zenith tundra]

intrepid might be viable a bit but not sure if any better then centaur formi or hiryuu

[coral wren]

well, i was thinking maybe they get flag this time but it seems they really wanna push it on iowa

[zenith tundra]

as soon as i saw essex class cv it was obvious no flagship

[vague token]

it's really sad because essex cant even be a reverse essex class flag

because intrepid doesnt synergize lol

if they made her armor break work for any damage they could team up

[zenith tundra]

bunker hill synergizes with cvs but she isn't really good enough

they really need good bb for pvp

[vague token]

yeah but she only gets a barrage and no fun stat boosts

[zenith tundra]

actually just 1 other strong bb that isn't georgia might make uss a thing more or less

like bh georgia x where x does something more then washi/alabama can do

[vague token]

if we got a strong bb id be more inclined to run intrepid

[zenith tundra]

some defensive stats would be good

[vague token]

honestly im half tempted to run bisko intrepid

[zenith tundra]

georgia dmg is nuts. those buffs should help more then some random armor break

[vague token]

if only her armor break also worked on vanguard

[frail orbit]

The most decent ones other than GeoGeo is basically Bama smhw

Derp

[vague token]

you could 818 into shelling

[zenith tundra]

georgia is out of question for sync since her barrage is too strong

[vague token]

why must they taunt us with this mechanic

[frail orbit]

And we know that Bama is utterly a mobbing specialist keks

Also cant even IAMSPEED with that timed barrage smhw

[zenith tundra]

i really should level bh for a test or 2 with ws/fdg bh georgia

at least should be viable

[vague token]

like with intrepid's dr skill she'd be ok for armor plate too i think

too bad we cant have it always on 2nd fight

12% dr always active would be really strong on her

actually yeah intrepid with armor and 2nd battle active would be nice for pvp as a solo cv

[zenith tundra]

not gonna happen so doesn't matter

[blazing scroll]

Just give Enty kai

[vague token]

also what's with all the 15% free self aviation cvs lately

xD

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

the problem with dr as 1st battle is that would kill any chances she might have at a boss fleet cv

[vague token]

we have plenty of those

offensive support cvs? not so many

[zenith tundra]

she is already bad. that would make her even worse

she has mediocre barrage and half time an aviation bonus. the only thing making her more then mediocre are her stats

[vague token]

i mean she has regular aviation stats

430 is like 3 under essex

her base stats are pretty normal

it isnt like aviation on a non-dot barrage is super fancy

they should have focused more on supporting and less on self damage

because her helldiver isnt even a real one anyways

formidable would be slow, centaur is stat pad, intrepid for team armor break

[zenith tundra]

supporting what? like she does like -1 support tbh

[vague token]

either by making her armor break work like the ap dive bomber

and function on ALL types

or by having it boost more damage on bbs

as a spotter/targeter

eg you could focus heavy with warspite

[zenith tundra]

all she does is for herself. if only those buff were better and less stupid

armor break is not a thing tbh

like matters 0

[vague token]

i mean they have different versions

they could make it boost damage more

not just the armor category

they could make armor break downtier enemy armor

the ap dive bomber proves it isnt a standardized thing

[zenith tundra]

it's a non skill pretty much just because of that so she does 0 support

[vague token]

plus if she was more focused on armor break we'd have another non-faction locked supporter

which is good

faction buffs are bad

it goes against the game's theme

[frail orbit]

Whats this, freakin decrepit again?

Lul. Even her skills are a joke anyways

Imagine armor break while getting cucked ASAP

[zenith tundra]

i don't think any amount of armor break even on all armors would've make her any better with the other 2 skills

[frail orbit]

Not even worth a true heccdabber dmg

Whatever

[vague token]

i mean she's clearly a tank/debuffer type in design, just cause they failed to implement it isnt my problem xD

she just goes on the bench like the rest

[zenith tundra]

8% from shelling for 8s on a 22s cd is like 3% dmg boost from shelling only

[frail orbit]

Not even a true tank or a zombie anyways

[vague token]

honestly i was expecting some electric ability from her design xD

like a stun/paralyze

[zenith tundra]

armor break is so meaningless that is not worth considering most of the time

[frail orbit]

Unless u take her as Surugag
But hey Surugag actually has def skill, Magi Gag Fred stall actually practical while with this decrepit CV smhw derp

[zenith tundra]

just use doy is a stronger buff and also does dmg on bosses

[frail orbit]

Backline def at that gag

And who tf used Dork in PVP?

[vague token]

except we know they can adjust the armor break values

they didnt have to use the generic armor break

they could make it 15%

[zenith tundra]

armor break has 1 value so far

[vague token]

if they can adjust what armor types it works on

they can adjust the damage boost

because it has to be its own category

in the code

[frail orbit]

But then it got cucked anyways

[vague token]

there's no way that isnt the case that it isnt a whole other type of armor break

[frail orbit]

By slapping it for BB/C/V only

Topkeks

[vague token]

heck i wouldnt be surprised if it stacked with actual armor break

[frail orbit]

Whatever

[vague token]

not that anyone would test because it's the trash ap dive bomber

xD

[frail orbit]

831? Lul maximum crash dmg smhw

[zenith tundra]

armor break as mechanic was trash from the 1st second it was introduced. there is no reason to ever build around it

[frail orbit]

Formie all Cuda
480x3x8 hmmmm

[vague token]

i mean yeah, which is why we have skill adjusts

Upgraded Armor Break

Super Heavy Armor Break

literally they can do w/e

Armor Break+

xD

[zenith tundra]

formie without albacore doesn't really have dmg

[frail orbit]

That, we know right

At max she just gonna have 480x3x5 crashdmg smhw

[vague token]

i mean you'd make up the difference with albacore barrage crashes

[frail orbit]

That is with 831

[zenith tundra]

u can have albacore crash dmg and barrage crash dmg and also barrage dmg since it actually hits backlines

[frail orbit]

306 on crash dmg too
Not bad for a mere purple

But the barrage also crashed right?

Or nope?

[zenith tundra]

i cannot think of a reason it shouldn't

pretty sure centaur barrage planes also have crash dmg

[vague token]

all barrage should

if hiryuu barrage actually crashes it hits pretty decent

like 500+

usually it doesnt cause of when it launches

[zenith tundra]

that never happens

at least with vg around

[vague token]

i only see it after vg is down

[frail orbit]

Then yes
Double Cuda+Alba on Formie

[zenith tundra]

imaginary things are fun but we need to work with what we have

[vague token]

i mean what we have is the same old same old ;)

gotta dream big

[zenith tundra]

which is why we wait for new ships to do different things

but then u have stuff that doesn't actually work like intrepid

[vague token]

armor break should have at least been downtiering enemy armor

[zenith tundra]

i think the worse thing about armor break is the duration

[vague token]

given the limited duration and activation rate, knocking any heavy to medium would be a significant boost

[zenith tundra]

like 8s is so meaningless for anything

[vague token]

i mean helena is 10s

8s is fine

the potency isnt

[zenith tundra]

isn't fire 15s

[vague token]

it's better to say fire is 5 ticks

[zenith tundra]

but dot thick every 3s

[vague token]

fire also doesnt interact with anything

armor break does

[zenith tundra]

it does so much dmg tho

[vague token]

yeah, which is why armor break needs to have that kind of potential

the duration is fine

[zenith tundra]

no it's not

[vague token]

most of the damage amps are around 8-10

yes it is

dork is 8s

majority of damage amps are the same duration

[zenith tundra]

for all purposes that isn't intrepid armor break is way too low%

[vague token]

the problem is potency

[zenith tundra]

u cannot build around it because is too random and too short

[vague token]

oh, it's definitely random for sure

50% should have been baseline

to match HE guns

[zenith tundra]

if the duration was like 20s even with a bit of randomness u can still get another shelling in with bbs

[vague token]

just under helena's activation chance

at minimum it should be 40%

to match strong barrage categories

"strong"

then just slap an armor downtier and it's pretty much good

[zenith tundra]

i would rather have more uptime then chance

[vague token]

converting a heavy to medium for 8s would be huge

[zenith tundra]

it helps way more that way

[vague token]

eh, that's lazy though

it needs timing focus

potency with timing focus rewards coordination

instead of uptime

which is just a general boost

that takes no planning

and helps yourself

that's no good

if we want it to be a general boost we might as well scrap armor break and just make ap shots inflict flood

[zenith tundra]

idk when u cant control anything that happens in a pvp match i don't want shit that can do nothing

like u cannot control armor break in any way and then u also cannot control who other ships aim at too

is like rng on top of rng

[vague token]

barrages are shelling damage?

[zenith tundra]

only mg dmg

not barrages

[vague token]

is it?

well either way that's why you make it downtier armor

[zenith tundra]

from what i know shelling refers to shoots from guns

[vague token]

problem solved

making it downtier armor allow you to a) support gunnery vanguard

b) support any other anti-medium barrages

[zenith tundra]

sure but doesn't change the rng portion of a buff being so short and so uncontrollable in aim

[vague token]

sure, but he has the same problem

sometimes they aim at the water

you just live with that

[frail orbit]

Anyway

Got timing problem smhw

[vague token]

sometimes dork shells vanguard

sometimes helena procs right before boss spawns

[zenith tundra]

armor break working on everything on mg shoots would be the same as doy debuff. u don't use doy unless u can actually focus dmg on something

[vague token]

except armor break only triggers on heavy

outside of the dive bomber

and intrepid

so that isnt actually a problem

[zenith tundra]

even on all armors it would be still too random

[vague token]

well yeah, you cant plan around a 20% activation rate

minimum 40, 50 to match HE would be ideal

honestly it doesnt make any sense that it doesnt match HE in current iteration

[frail orbit]

Am still a bit too confused smhw . . .

Cent no rudder is okay right?

[zenith tundra]

and even then an 8s window on a random target that might or might not get targeted is not really good

[frail orbit]

By cent I meant that 169

[vague token]

i mean, you could use warspite

reduce that rng

hms triple bb fun times

actual coordination

we need more ai adjusters

[zenith tundra]

u use that already pretty much since 457 is a thing

[vague token]

yes, but you wouldnt use AP on the other two probably

[frail orbit]

Derp

[vague token]

cause 457 is worse at rolling for armor break

since it is a twin

we need an ap quad that doesnt suck

[frail orbit]

Anyway no rudder cent how?

[zenith tundra]

what do u mean by no rudder?

[frail orbit]

No IHR

[zenith tundra]

like using her without any defensive items?

[frail orbit]

Yea since for timing adjustment

If with 831 formie

[zenith tundra]

she might just die early to rng...

[frail orbit]

Kinda needs that

[zenith tundra]

idk if it's worth

[frail orbit]

Like how

Am trying to retain ryusei on cent

Since thats where ryusei true worth lies

Rest of 4mi just use double cuda+alba but timing issues is that

0.6s

Of gap

All oathed

[zenith tundra]

it's hard to time them with db when formi reload is so slow

[frail orbit]

Ye but with oath

And that cuda double

Look at formie ones

831 and cuda

IAMSPEED technically

For a 4mi

Since she has Alba which is true IAMSPEED

How's this Kiro

Zack

Ye kiro am trying to retain ryusei on cent so wut

No max crash dmg but whatever
VG killing still important for me especially when Wakai just hits anything farthest and still miss smhw

That, already with HPFCR

[vague token]

i dont like ryuusei on cent but that's just me

[frail orbit]

Ye koz no crash dmg right

[vague token]

na i just dont like ryuusei much nowadays

xD

unless people start plopping armor azumas everywhere id rather have line torps

[frail orbit]

Whatever, still goin to my shit on parallel miss too much tbh

Since I pretty much preferred that 4x3 ryusei intensity smhw

Eh wait

[zenith tundra]

what's the ideal time in between them?

[frail orbit]

I meant the torps

1-1.5s

Since thats what u want for 4mi slow to proc

[zenith tundra]

831 barracuda alabacore
reppu hellcat ryuusei beacon
it's 1.15s difference

that's at max oath both

i can actually test that

[frail orbit]

Ye already tried that too
Also better on VF17 reppu smhw, 1.5s gap

But the thing is

Bacon would mean

Losing a slot of IHR

[zenith tundra]

even with vf-17 reppu u don't get to 1s

[frail orbit]

Ye but thats at the real maximum timing gap smhw

Like ideally it's around 1s to 1.5s

The gap like on my picsart were like
0.6s no bacon
1.45s bacon

[zenith tundra]

again it depends on ur oaths.

[frail orbit]

Ye but assuming both at max oath

Kinda difficult smhw

[zenith tundra]

this is with the setup above

btw centaur almost dead with evasion gear too...

it gets much worse once fdg comes around and ws gets 457 which is why u want evasion gear

almost certain u want the gap as close to 1s as possible so ships are stopped not just slowed

at least without aviation fuel

it still cannot delete that vg... no matter the rng it seems

it doesn't seems to be worth it tbh

like u just cannot delete azuma

[frail orbit]

How bout double ryuusei tho? Sure cant kill zoomer. But my concern mainly regardin nanoda tbh.

Crash dmg from 831

Smhw

[hot creek]

just lost another charge cause game hung on victory screen and didnt give points but still ate ticket

[zenith tundra]

i just lost another 5 because i don't want to dc

[frail orbit]

Dun even care with the race smhw

Just miss this season smhw

[zenith tundra]

the 2nd ryuusei wouldn't even hit most likely

[vague token]

im just skipping pvp now xD

[zenith tundra]

it's really hard to try kill vg with juneau dying there and amagi reducing dmg. better off forgetting about vg kill

[hot creek]

o nvm points updated after relog

[frail orbit]

But aint the point mostly for vg kill 1st + backline kill tho

Seen someone using 2 ryusei smhw

[zenith tundra]

it might just not work with azuma around

i can't use wfc in en

[frail orbit]

Against zoomer, ye dont work

But nanoda

Since my true nightmare is actually enemy nanoda

[zenith tundra]

well in that case azuma would've take care of nanoda anyway

very rarely i've ever been stalled by vg with azuma around

[frail orbit]

Wait lemme share the vid utube

Pm perhaps? Or just there?

[zenith tundra]

just post it here

[frail orbit]

https://youtu.be/aikai5LzveI dunno whether this one by zoomer gun kill or georgie barrage or by 2ryusei

0.4s timing gap based on my calc

Well he did used thatcher for no reason other than IAMSPEED on 4mi smhw tho

Perhaps trying to get all ryusei hits?

[zenith tundra]

it's full offensive gear i can see why it deletes vg

[frail orbit]

But when I look at 1st try
4 out of 7x3 ryusei torps kinda miss the VG smhw