pvp

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

it's a discord link to ur post earlier

[coral wren]

You know you can just quote it

[zenith tundra]

oops my bad just noticed it was eri

[coral wren]

it's a discord link to ur post earlier
@zenith tundra
Like this

[coral wren]

Ohh

I'm confused cuz I never said I have +6 gears

[zenith tundra]

yeah sorry

[coral wren]

So tht was that lol

It's ok

I never took gear upgrade seriously until I got to W10-4

[jagged steppe]

^

I dont upgrade gear cuz I read tier list

and I see bunches of gear I didn't had

and i just dont upgrade anything

and use +6

[zenith tundra]

lol

[jagged steppe]

only +10 I use is purple berracuda

[coral wren]

Some +6 are better than gold right

BB reload times

I don't like the color so I just use gold

[zenith tundra]

if it is 410 confetti gun even -1 is better

[coral wren]

How good is the rainbow gear btw?

It's almost impossible to get that thing

[jagged steppe]

I use

this thing on cleveland+helena

for very long time

and im like where the fuck is my dmg

then I use

then I realize they hit hard

[coral wren]

I have that and they set things on fire

[vague token]

cls like cleveland class dont do damage

for the most part

[zenith tundra]

actually tbtsk has a better pattern so it usually has better dps

[coral wren]

aren't they tank?

[vague token]

utility

most of them arent like straight tanks outside of birmingham

[jagged steppe]

yo

I use

dmg like 0

litterly 0 dmg

[coral wren]

Now I know what to use for pvp

[jagged steppe]

I use

3-4k damage

[coral wren]

Yes

[jagged steppe]

then I use

[vague token]

the flood torpedo bomber looks neat

[jagged steppe]

8-12k dmg

im like

wtf

[coral wren]

What the hell is flood damage anyway

Does it stack with fire?

[jagged steppe]

ofc itr does

[coral wren]

Making the enemy ship wet

[zenith tundra]

flood is a dot like fire

[vague token]

flood is just a dot that cant be reduced at all

[jagged steppe]

yo

[vague token]

while fire has amagi/FE/hiei-chan

[jagged steppe]

shouldn't ship take less fire dmg when flooding

cuz u can use water flooding to stop the fire right?

[coral wren]

I know Essex does insane damage with flood

[zenith tundra]

too complex for al

[vague token]

most burns are from fuel/etc anyways

water wont put those out immediately

[jagged steppe]

oh i see

[coral wren]

sinking and burning ain't fun

[vague token]

fires have always been a huge threat to ships

forever

[zenith tundra]

they just need to sink and rip fire

[coral wren]

Imagine calling your ship firegod

then u see it burning and sinking

[smoky elk]

a firegod sounds like Smolensk

[vague token]

i might bring out formidable again with double flood xD

[jagged steppe]

when I start playing this game,I dont know how lvling affacting the damage / damage reduction Isend x6 lv80 ships to fight eldrige and akashi and I lose cuz I dont know how to reset and I was streaming cuz im streamer and people just laugh

[vague token]

does damage boost work on crash damage

[jagged steppe]

idk

[coral wren]

Please stop HMS fleets

no more

[jagged steppe]

I remember someone said enterprise proc affacting plane crash dmg

[zenith tundra]

what dmg boost?

[jagged steppe]

I once asked in here

[vague token]

the new torp bomber

gives 3% vs bb type

just by being equipped

[coral wren]

Is there any good ships from the Russian event?

[vague token]

oh minus bbv

[forest lake]

Who even uses BBV in PVP

[zenith tundra]

it should according to wording since it's all dmg

[vague token]

[jagged steppe]

is there ever enemy BBV

outside pvp

[forest lake]

Hyuuga prolly

And Ise

[vague token]

i think in the event yamashiro was a bbv

[jagged steppe]

what map

[forest lake]

I remember them as enemies at least

Not sure

Honestly

[coral wren]

shit after retrofit

[forest lake]

The most interesting thing out of the event

Is the TB

[coral wren]

why did they do this to yamashiro

[vague token]

na we got another ASW overlord

[coral wren]

despite being a meme ship, she have tons of skins

[vague token]

koln/cooper/chaser

[forest lake]

Ships are looking decent at best for even PVE

[vague token]

destroy all subs

[coral wren]

do we have the stats for new murican ships?

[forest lake]

Ye

[vague token]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Aii13jR-KMOLvdHGzcaorF4sMe4kp99gAOPqjQiFe3g/htmlview?usp=sharing

[jagged steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Aii13jR-KMOLvdHGzcaorF4sMe4kp99gAOPqjQiFe3g/edit#gid=0

[coral wren]

how are they compared to Russian?

[zenith tundra]

i wonder how strong the flood is since it could be more worth over cudas

[forest lake]

Check #gameplay-help pins

Oh

Well

There isn't any ship that'll be as good as Tashkent at least

[vague token]

uh, doesnt matter

base damage is higher i think

cuda caps at what

[forest lake]

much higher

[coral wren]

Tashkent is good?

[vague token]

288 base?

[forest lake]

288 vs 337 I think

[vague token]

the new torp bomber is 337 lol

[coral wren]

[vague token]

it's a literal upgrade

[zenith tundra]

the dps boost is nuts

wow

[vague token]

3% vs bb types

[coral wren]

How is Tashkent good? For pve?

[vague token]

and flood vs all bb types

[forest lake]

CV meta rising

[jagged steppe]

owarida

[zenith tundra]

not many actually hit backlines but dmg boost should be worth

also need to see crash dmg

[frail orbit]

How's the crash dmg of new tb tho

[vague token]

it is notably slower

[jagged steppe]

berracuda 480?

[vague token]

12 vs 10.31

[zenith tundra]

not stated

[vague token]

i doubt they datamined it yet

crash damage isnt a mechanic in pve

no reason for them to care

;)

[zenith tundra]

we need to wait for wiki i guess

[coral wren]

I should be using those instead of swordfishes wtf

[jagged steppe]

but last time they make suruga barrage change in pvp

do they actually dont dare?

[forest lake]

An irrelevant change

[vague token]

suruga pvp barrage lul

isnt even a factor

[jagged steppe]

just make it looks better

when some idiot use her

they see

barrage

they buy skin

[zenith tundra]

it just adds some cool stuff on screen that does like nothing

[coral wren]

I thought it was a meme at first when I saw suruga in a fleet

[vague token]

na she thicc though

not there for barrage

just to stall

;)

[coral wren]

she was tanky as hell

[jagged steppe]

I like endou aya voice but I donjt like suruga

[coral wren]

surugay

[jagged steppe]

they record her voice with shitty quality

[zenith tundra]

is the only thing she can do. tank

[jagged steppe]

as if they using mp3 player recording

[coral wren]

yeah, she's usually the last one to get taken out

@jagged steppe play hamman voice with speaker

[jagged steppe]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/3/37/Suruga_SkillActivationJP.ogg

which?

this thing is mp3 recorder

100%

[coral wren]

all

[jagged steppe]

which

[coral wren]

just hamman's voice in general

It's like she's eating her words

[jagged steppe]

hngggg

[coral wren]

I remember playing pvp with sounds on and the enemy has her screaming like a chimpanzee along with the rest of my ships

also when everyone activates their skills together

[zenith tundra]

i turned off sounds very early in al

[coral wren]

same

[vague token]

gotta troll everyone with saratoga skill procs every 10 seconds

[coral wren]

I just turn it on from time to time when there's new ships

Does Sara deal more damage than enty on pvp? Or is it just a pve thing

[zenith tundra]

db bomber setups are pretty bad imo

she has at least tb with skill

[vague token]

aim tb

[zenith tundra]

but i don't think she does a lot of dmg. not compared to enty anyway

[vague token]

she does damage, but she's also bulky

[frail orbit]

Even in PVE

[vague token]

she has very high hp for w/e reason

[coral wren]

I see

[frail orbit]

DBs are kinda gimped in W13

Cucked a lot

[coral wren]

I'm actually still chilling at W12

[vague token]

and highest aa for w/e reason

[zenith tundra]

i used sara in w13 mobs and her delayed airstrikes were really good

[coral wren]

I dunno what's the deal about those AA botes

[vague token]

in 13 her double dot will rip through the aa as well

she also buffs your dps vanguard

she has a ton of tools

[zenith tundra]

when u use cv with similar reload they tend to miss too much dmg

[vague token]

she isnt really focused

she's definitely a generalist

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

I saw somewhere that Bataan is good for W13

[vague token]

tanky, buffs vg, ignore AA stat with double dot, gun for extra damage and protection

[frail orbit]

For that AA coverage

[coral wren]

but I'm not sure if I should really invest on her

I can't even clear W12

[vague token]

oh she isnt highest aa cv

[frail orbit]

Yeah

[vague token]

but the bunnies only have a small lead

[frail orbit]

^

[vague token]

but their base hp is like waaaaaay lower

[frail orbit]

And CVL lower cost anyway

[vague token]

and their luck is oof

[frail orbit]

But hey

[zenith tundra]

essex and centaur are best cv to invest for w13

[vague token]

i think sara moved up

[frail orbit]

If u want low cost AA coverage just slap Langkai tho
Not for lethal anyway

[vague token]

like .5

[coral wren]

I am working on both

[frail orbit]

Sara has always been .5 anyway

For me

[zenith tundra]

i think she was t1 at some point

[vague token]

im pretty sure she was t1

and moved up to t.5

[zenith tundra]

but imo she way better then t1

[vague token]

while owari da moved down to t1

[coral wren]

where is the tier list

[zenith tundra]

/tierlist

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Ship Tier Lists

🔹 EN and JP detailed tier guide by Kawaii Five-O#2305
🔹 CN tier list Part 1 and 2 by Usagi-sensei (03.03.20)
🔹 CN tier list Part 1 and 2 by NGA (05.03.20)
🔹 Averaged Tier List based on lists above by Lunar#7777
Cat Tier List
🔹 Talent tier list

use /equiptl for list of equipment TLs and guides
use /guide for list of helpful gameplay guides and FAQs

[coral wren]

Uh part 1 and 2?

[zenith tundra]

wis one the 1st

[frail orbit]

Owarided still rules tho
More AA coverage too

[coral wren]

Which one

[vague token]

oh usagi moved sara to t0 lol

[coral wren]

Five-o?

[frail orbit]

Ye

[vague token]

oh five o also did

xD

[zenith tundra]

she is t1 in wis

somehow

[frail orbit]

Five O is wis right

[vague token]

yeah but wis

so

he has owari da in t0

;)

[zenith tundra]

averaged puts sara t0 so that's it

[vague token]

oh they all did

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think wis is biased against db

[coral wren]

I'm dumb, how does this website work

[frail orbit]

^

[vague token]

i mean sara is thankfully more than her plane slots

especially in a meta where dps vanguard is more viable

her buff gets to shine more

[coral wren]

my poor smallbrain is hurting

[zenith tundra]

i actually like her melee artillery a lot especially since i used her solo backline a lot

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

al tier guide...

it's called

[vague token]

sara is how zepp should have been designed like skill wise

gun skill, kms offense buff, some utility barrage

[jagged steppe]

they want kms to be tanky

[coral wren]

this is too complicated

[zenith tundra]

grapf retro with melee artillery

[coral wren]

I found it but it's a wall of txt

[vague token]

maybe if she got a stuka barrage

[coral wren]

I'm never reading guides again

[vague token]

or like replace their 1k with a 2k

[frail orbit]

All when stuka were like 4x100

[zenith tundra]

the wall of text is more useful the the tiering itself tbh

[frail orbit]

Topkeks

[coral wren]

oui

It's good

[zenith tundra]

some tiering is biased but descriptions are pretty good

[frail orbit]

Am seeing more purpose of Sara in her gunnery anyways

[vague token]

scales with her enormous aviation woo

xD

[coral wren]

Uh how do you get Leipzig again

I never once see that ship dropping anywhere

[vague token]

collection

[zenith tundra]

u can just check the averaged tier list. it has no meaning other then remove some bias for all the tier lists

[vague token]

all the cls

[coral wren]

oh. oh no

I scrapped half of my kms

[zenith tundra]

u need to lb the 3 common ironblood cl

easy enough if u want since they drop anywhere

[vague token]

tfw wis pushes balti as cv buffer

no wonder she is .5

[coral wren]

Tash and the other 3 Russian ships are T0-T1 wtf

[vague token]

instead of gunnery god with noshiro tank

[coral wren]

is it based on pve?

[zenith tundra]

ofc

tier list for pvp is in pins but it's more of a comp guide then actual tiering

[coral wren]

Yeah I saw that one

[vague token]

it's hard to evaluate ships on a solo basis in pvp xD

[jagged steppe]

unless its yukikaze

[zenith tundra]

pvp is more about comps then pve

[jagged steppe]

and jun

[vague token]

it's basically amagi t0, juneau t0

[coral wren]

[vague token]

if it was solo

[coral wren]

yukikaze was a mistake

a beautiful mistake

[zenith tundra]

idk about that

[vague token]

na, without juneau ykkz crumbles pretty easily

outside of crazy rng

[zenith tundra]

at the point that meta is after pr2 yukikaze is pretty much a must

[coral wren]

only idiots like me would play pvp without June

I do have her on defense mode to fuck with people

waiting for yostar to give her retrofit

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

...

[jagged steppe]

waiting yostar to make prinz a good ship

kappa

[coral wren]

Prinz is good

For porn

[zenith tundra]

even i think yukikaze retro is a terrible idea. like u'll spend 2min killing her alone

[vague token]

ykkz retro will never happen

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

unless they want to break pvp forever

and just admit it's a resource farm

[coral wren]

Hiryuu and WS happened

[vague token]

ws isnt even that bad

[coral wren]

Why not

[frail orbit]

If she gets retro'd
That'd mean 1 thing

Chinese supremacy

Bkoz Tan Yang

[coral wren]

Also enty retro

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

ws gets worse with 457

[jagged steppe]

who is tanyang

[zenith tundra]

like much worse

[coral wren]

Imagine enty retrofit

[frail orbit]

@jagged steppe yukikaze while with plan/rocn

[coral wren]

pvp will now take 2-3 mins

[frail orbit]

Since she's offered as a ship for those chinese

Koz japan lose the war right?

[vague token]

honestly i would be ok if they just abandoned pvp, would make more sense

[jagged steppe]

hmm

[vague token]

just give everyone 1 bulin of choice every 2 weeks and free exp tickets or w/e

that's literally all it is

then toss eldridge and sodak in builds

[jagged steppe]

but they make suruga barrage difference in pvp!!!11

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

I'd prefer that option by kiro
Or make PVP a bit better tbh

[jagged steppe]

with 2 extra torpedo

that deal 500 dmg!!!11

[zenith tundra]

ijn bias on suruga

[frail orbit]

Since I see more blood being shed on EX anyways

[coral wren]

Make pvp great again by bringing back the era of torp memes

[frail orbit]

And I like it

[vague token]

i hate suicide comp

that was the worst

[jagged steppe]

update lv130

[frail orbit]

When MOAR BLOOD IS THERE

[jagged steppe]

make pvp more interesting

[vague token]

130 wont happen

[coral wren]

Suicide squad

[vague token]

or shouldnt happen

[coral wren]

130 for world 14

[vague token]

the exp requirements would bloat too high

[frail orbit]

And when everyone's agonizing over their shit dont happen to hit anything

[coral wren]

You gotta pay gems to unlock

[jagged steppe]

but I farm 119-120 1day!

[frail orbit]

Just me being a sadistic smhw keks

[zenith tundra]

lvl 130 will kill any chances for anything that is not ws or a tank to be relevant in pvp

[vague token]

the stat boosts arent designed for 130

[frail orbit]

Even IJN meta ehh

[zenith tundra]

the hp scalling will kill dmg

[coral wren]

Sounds good

[jagged steppe]

just use dps stall

[coral wren]

3 mins of pvp

[vague token]

if anything they'd have to make a new improvement system

similar to how we have tech bonuses

[coral wren]

nah we need more L2D

[zenith tundra]

2.46x hp scalling in pvp. fdg with 25k base hp without lvl 130 extra hp

[jagged steppe]

we need good l2d enterprise skin

[frail orbit]

Nah we just need a sick floof skin

[zenith tundra]

so like around 30k hp total if she reaches base 12k

[vague token]

like im all for more dps and less frontloaded damage in pvp but 130 isnt how you do it

[coral wren]

Beach enty skin

What if they start adding stats to skins

[jagged steppe]

...

[frail orbit]

Imagine using stall other than def fleet

🤮

[zenith tundra]

i don't think will happen. al is not that type of game

[coral wren]

[vague token]

the most stats for skin you get is oath

[frail orbit]

Wdym

[jagged steppe]

al is casual game(?)

its not their fault not making pvp good

[frail orbit]

Too casuAL in fact

[coral wren]

Oathing a ship makes your team an Esports team

[frail orbit]

[jagged steppe]

its yall fault for taking the game too seriously!!

[coral wren]

but it's casual

[zenith tundra]

lol

[coral wren]

It makes you wanna take it seriously

[frail orbit]

Nah

We need moar blood shed

[coral wren]

like getting 30 resets like it's normal while people laugh at your fleet and questioning your authority as an admiral

[zenith tundra]

gameplay-help is full of tryhards for pve.... this channel is not even that bad compared to that

[vague token]

wait really?

[frail orbit]

And make a thing on how gensui race would be relevant for ur account death or account viability

[coral wren]

@zenith tundra do they measure every damage including breast weight

[jagged steppe]

there is a small line btw try hard and elitist jerk

[frail orbit]

Either gensui race

Or EX race

[coral wren]

eh can't really avoid those kind of people

[jagged steppe]

once u reach the other side you never came back

[frail orbit]

Make this the 2nd honk

And I bet this game would lose the playerbase

[coral wren]

If I meet someone acting like that, I'll film the pvp if I meet them

[jagged steppe]

.

[coral wren]

then posting it to YouTube

[jagged steppe]

im sure your harddisck couldn't keep all the vid

if u gonna record them

your harddisck not big enough

[coral wren]

130p quality

[frail orbit]

Now kinda asking why tf I bought some skin smhw

If only for dickpick

[jagged steppe]

cuz you're horny

[frail orbit]

[hot creek]

make sure you film all the resets too

[coral wren]

I wanna buy a skin for Eldridge

[frail orbit]

Ye but I meant

[coral wren]

@hot creek ofc

You'll have to watch the whole 30 minute video for a single match

[frail orbit]

There's nothing about so called p2w rewards only on AL

It's really different than say

[coral wren]

Oathing makes your ships a god

Literally breaks the game

[frail orbit]

Some other game I played up alongside AL seriously

[coral wren]

Smh

[jagged steppe]

no

every game with waifu

have oath system

[zenith tundra]

even pvp can be done without oaths. the free resets system ensures that

[frail orbit]

^

[coral wren]

I just play AK and I hope they add marriage so I can marry SilverCHAD

[jagged steppe]

eww

ewwww

eewwwewewewewew

[coral wren]

[frail orbit]

🏳️‍🌈

[coral wren]

shut up, you don't know my story

[frail orbit]

More like stone WRYYYYYY

[coral wren]

oathing furries

[frail orbit]

[jagged steppe]

[smoky elk]

but SA want doctah to f-ck his sisters instead

[frail orbit]

Well if u called the foxes as furries

[coral wren]

Hey if you can oath 4 yr old girls in AL, why not let us marry big burly cat men

[frail orbit]

Am also oathing furries anyway

If u called the fox sisters as furries

[coral wren]

I'm not gay I swear

[frail orbit]

No u gei

[jagged steppe]

you oath fury?

[coral wren]

No lies

[frail orbit]

What a pun

A lame pun

[coral wren]

Is AL back yet

[frail orbit]

[coral wren]

god damn it

[midnight heron]

[zenith tundra]

cn seems to be still in maint. no chances for en

[coral wren]

I'm losing sanity

Aight I'ma go mess with AK discord

That 10 hr maintenance is painful

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile me a tryharder on AL HI be like

Whatever

I just wanna rest for a bit keks

[jagged steppe]

I want to rest

for more week

I lvling my saratoga

last week 1

now 105

[vague token]

i sleep

[jagged steppe]

I need 110 to 1:1 event farm

feelsbad

[frail orbit]

Fook sara

[jagged steppe]

5 more lvl

[frail orbit]

Already 120 from that exp

Now I need my Alaboomer to go 120 asap

Still at 116 topkeks

[zenith tundra]

i hope this event is not as obnoxious as north one where u have a stupidly good drop in d3 to farm. i'd rather farm c2 this time

[frail orbit]

No VT18 as drops too

So meh with this event

[zenith tundra]

omg pls not

no vt-18 drops

[frail orbit]

Same

[jagged steppe]

how abnout polaris farm

drop

[frail orbit]

Muh oil is crying

[jagged steppe]

best

[frail orbit]

[jagged steppe]

10/10 would farm again

[frail orbit]

Just steamroll til safe

Then PR farm all over again

Especially when I got Bremerthot on pulls

[jagged steppe]

they add marble head as a living meme

like she had no skill

just meme

litterly no skill

garbage skill

rare

[zenith tundra]

i actually want to try intrepid if she can actually work in pvp but i highly doubt

[jagged steppe]

just deep dark fantasy and nuke code

[frail orbit]

Depends

[zenith tundra]

she still needs a good buffer

[jagged steppe]

baltimore

[frail orbit]

Whether her barrage gonna be cucked or nope

Balti? Lul

[zenith tundra]

it's helldivers aka can't be bad

[frail orbit]

Imagine using gunbote other than Azoomer these days on PVP

[frail orbit]

Also heccdabbers barrage on Decrepit has less dmg tho @zenith tundra

Even if it's 3 heccdabbers smhw

[vague token]

they dont have 2k bombs? xD

[frail orbit]

Not gonna scale with anything right?

[jagged steppe]

is there other ship better buffer than helena for air strike?

thats more tanky

and as useful

[frail orbit]

Just look at that barrage streamable

Kiro

[zenith tundra]

this is intrepid we are talking about. she has to be better then the other 2 disappointing worse essex class cvs

[frail orbit]

Better wait and see anyways

Whether that barrage gonna be scalable or nope

And how much the effi is

[zenith tundra]

i don't have cv to level since i don't really like taihou and graf that are the only 2 in between 105 and 119

[frail orbit]

Lul

Imagine not levelling up CVs

[zenith tundra]

i would if i had anything interesting to level

like really the only good ones i could level are graf taihou shangri-la and bunker hill

[frail orbit]

Not even the 4 horsewomen of carriers? Seriously?

I meant EFEC

And Sarakai if u wanna get it to 5

[zenith tundra]

i have essex sara enty centaur formi lusty already at 120

[jagged steppe]

I think interpit need to play like you need some cv that reload the plane like 2s faster than her and launch airstrike first using 818 to slow their whole team then interpit diver bomb

or they just gonna dodge everything

[frail orbit]

Her real niche is only for mobs smhw

Especially with that VT18

And even then VT18 flood is less than Essex flood

Imagine not even on the level of her big sis

SASUGAY DECREPIT LMFAO

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't need vt-18 to work properly

[jagged steppe]

atleast shes not potato

[zenith tundra]

u can just use ryuusei

her loadout is meh tho tbh

3 fighters is fine but too many db

[jagged steppe]

should I try ryusei enterprise for cheese win

triple ryuusei

[frail orbit]

U wont even reach nice dmg with Ryusei

Typical of Essex class

Low TB slot, low effi TB slot compared to their fighter slot

[upper sparrow]

ryuusei crash damage is suck too iirc

[frail orbit]

And for whatever it is

Just pair Decrepit with her VT18 or it'd be a miss anyway

Smhw

[upper sparrow]

yo is vt-18 good?

[zenith tundra]

it seems to be

[frail orbit]

Just my dissatisfaction towards Decrepit not even a meta shifting CV smhw

Like how

[zenith tundra]

high base dmg and flood dot

[upper sparrow]

what is vt-18 is, divebomber or torp plane?

[zenith tundra]

tb

[frail orbit]

TBs

VT TBs

[jagged steppe]

torpedo bomber

[frail orbit]

VF Fighters

[upper sparrow]

so better than cuda and ryuusei?

[frail orbit]

VD DBs

Better than cuda yes

Ryusei whatever

[jagged steppe]

good

[frail orbit]

Parallel and all

[jagged steppe]

im tilting on gold berracuda

[upper sparrow]

[jagged steppe]

50 box 1 gold berracuda

[frail orbit]

U cant compare apple to orange anyway

[jagged steppe]

im done

[upper sparrow]

yus glad im flooding with core data rn

[jagged steppe]

the core data shop reset next week right?

so if I buy the new plane now

[frail orbit]

Not even on core data right?

[jagged steppe]

next week I can get one more right?

it say it from core data

[frail orbit]

Its on event shop

Hmmmmm but this one said

[jagged steppe]

it say core shop

[upper sparrow]

oh is it not core data mb

its tbm avenger, for asw iirc?

[zenith tundra]

vt-18 is event. patch notes in en are always misspelled or wrong in some way

[jagged steppe]

ZZZZZ

[frail orbit]

So basically

EN cant get good things

As always

[zenith tundra]

Silver Badges can be used in the following ways:

• Silver Badges can be exchanged for rewards such as SSR Bremerton, R Casablanca, TBM Avenger (VT-18), and PBY-5A Catalina in the event shop.
  SSR Bremerton and R Casablanca can be dropped in certain event stages.

[upper sparrow]

buffalo, the heck is that, a fighter?

[frail orbit]

Ye

[zenith tundra]

yes

[upper sparrow]

is it good?

[frail orbit]

A non bomber fighter

So nope

[zenith tundra]

aa meme

[frail orbit]

AA not even gud compared to Messershit

So derp ass

[upper sparrow]

another messer then

[frail orbit]

Historical wise

Its not even gud

[zenith tundra]

it's a bit slower so it stays in air longer then the others

[frail orbit]

By WW2 it's already so FUKIN OBSOLETE

BY FUKIN ZEROES

[upper sparrow]

hmm the cuda 831 squadron? is that different with normal gold cuda?

[frail orbit]

Crash dmg on DB slot

[zenith tundra]

it's a bad db

[upper sparrow]

oh ok then

[zenith tundra]

that can armor break everything

[frail orbit]

Not for DB in a sense or surface dmg

More like for Formi's rudimentary DB slot

Especially when u wanna maximize crash dmg

[elder crane]

VT-18

Back to Hiryuu meta?

FdG dead on arrival

[karmic forum]

Oh right the armor break seems pretty useful

[zenith tundra]

it still needs to hit stuff and who knows the dmg

[elder crane]

Do we know crash damage/HP/speed on it

???
332x3

[zenith tundra]

dunno about crash

flood dmg

i meant

[elder crane]

Idk, looks like probably much superior cuda

[zenith tundra]

dmg wise yes

[elder crane]

3% damage boost for Hiryuu vs BB/BC too

[zenith tundra]

the thing is ryuusei still murders after vg death

[elder crane]

Inb4 crash damage is gimped though

Yeah, we'll have to see

Too bad all of the new ships are 🚮 for PvP

[zenith tundra]

i think formi might actually be best for it

[elder crane]

Bremerton would've been interesting a year ago

Yeah, Formi should make good use of it

I'll have to try that out again too

[zenith tundra]

i'll level up intrepid for the lols but she doesn't seem good in spite of the fact that her skills are pvp oriented

[elder crane]

I really don't see how she's supposed to be good

Armor break is just.....
She can't even use it herself
And it's such weak support
And her own damage is basically the worst of the Essexes

[zenith tundra]

fire and dr are interesting i just think it's too late for how easy cv blow up in pvp

[elder crane]

And her survivability skill might've been good... Had it not been 20% threshold

Yeah

20% and she's already dead

If it was like 80%, heck even 50%, it would've been slightly useful

Especially the fires stuff

Fires already don't kill

So you need to finish ships off after anyways

[zenith tundra]

i don't get the choice of the skill set tbh. not good enough for pvp and not useful for pve

[elder crane]

<20% is too low to survive anything basically anyways

So it has literally almost 0 utility there

25% DR isn't even that good on a CV especially requiring that threshold

[zenith tundra]

as i said it's a weird skillset

[elder crane]

It's weird and not even good

Skill 1 is decent at best
Skill 2 is okay I suppose
Skill 3 is ??????????????

[forest lake]

Would be better if they added a heal and an airstrike on proc

And increase the threshold to 30%

[elder crane]

Or just make it 80% or start-of-battle

Then it'd be okay, like skills 1/2

[forest lake]

Kinda wondering how 1st battle something something works on PVP

Does it just assume every match as 1st battle?

[elder crane]

Yes

[zenith tundra]

time to test

ehm 10?

does 1.3k dmg on heavy and 3 x 10 dot...

is this a meme?

[jagged steppe]

so its shit

isn't it?

10!!!

[zenith tundra]

it does like 1.3k dmg if torp hit backline but wtf is 10 dmg

[jagged steppe]

whats berracuda dmg?

is it alot dif?

[zenith tundra]

i'll try... never used them on hiryuu

[jagged steppe]

k

[zenith tundra]

1k on same target

i think they fucked up the scaling or something

[static gull]

Is there anything worthy in the future core shop?

[zenith tundra]

technically vf-17 not in core shop yet till next month but with that there isn't much more over what en has already good. like shells, oxy, vf-17, 818, snorkel, seal and seirans is all that is good

[static gull]

by the way, before maint reached top 25 after losing another strong fleets but there was a possibility in top 3 meh

[zenith tundra]

should've reset

[static gull]

Hiryuu fleets are just an unkillable beasts

[zenith tundra]

try and focus dmg on her 1st

[static gull]

I tried even purple gun, but there was a bug or smth else, but ws couldn't hurt her

[zenith tundra]

it's not a bug. her skill makes her immune to dmg for 15s once she would die

[static gull]

only two ways: either I killed the entire enemy fleet except for hiryuu , or I reduced Hiryuu's health to a minimum and my fleet died anyway without even a chance to win

anyway, i have too low-leveled fleet

[zenith tundra]

ur vg should be able to absorb most of hiryuu airstrikes

u need stuff that can survive those consistently

[karmic lake]

[static gull]

i bet admins are definitely to dilute popular meta: nagato, hiryuu, amagi , yuki, that-healing-shit, and smth else

or rerun old event on nagato

[smoky elk]

that's "standard cancer" meta

[static gull]

🙂

[jagged steppe]

or just kill juneu before 15s

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure very few people actually like namaryuu

[static gull]

it's top-50's players meta on sandy

4 enemies and all namaryuu

[smoky elk]

i have gone for namaruga instead

[zenith tundra]

people use meta because of meta

not because they like the comp

[static gull]

God bless us, forgive my sins, don't let my enemies get pr2 blueprints and build a pr2 fleets

Anyway, en servers are much easier i guess in this paradigm

[zenith tundra]

i guess. being new in pr2 meta is actually worse then being new without 457 fdg and azuma around

[ripe latch]

namaryuu still food

[static gull]

i was looking so forward to build iron blood fleet for pvp but it's kind difficult

is it real?

[zenith tundra]

if u have the stuff to make a kms fleet viable u can use better fleets already

the investment is not worth it pretty much

[forest lake]

Wait Zack

What's the crash damage

[zenith tundra]

hard to tell in between all those planes

need to wait for wiki to have info on that

[forest lake]

ah ight then

Looks like it's out on wiki

300

Well that's another big let down

[zenith tundra]

the dmg of the torp seemed good compared to cudas. like 30% more

from 1k to 1.3k

[forest lake]

Well that much would be expected

It does have higher HP than Cuda too

[elder crane]

Loool they scuffed the crash damage yeah

RIP to that

[zenith tundra]

they scuffed dot too

[elder crane]

Also 5 more HP when planes already 95+30 base is lul

Also 48 vs 52 speed

[zenith tundra]

how about the 30 total dot dmg...

[elder crane]

Wait, did they Rossiya the flood?

[forest lake]

Rossiya the flood

[elder crane]

It's 30 dmg per tick?

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

my 120 hiryuu does 10 dmg per thick 3 times

in pvp

[elder crane]

Loooooool

They rossiya'd the flood

[forest lake]

F

Dreams gon

The only good thing I expected out of the event

[zenith tundra]

hopefully is just a bug

[shy hazel]

oh

[zenith tundra]

i'll wait for en to test out as well and then i'll bug report it

[forest lake]

If they haven't fixed Rossi's barrage then I don't expect much

[shy hazel]

sorry zack lazy to login my purchase phone

maybe later

[zenith tundra]

when u want

[elder crane]

Apparently there's a micropatch just released?

I doubt it's gameplay minor bugfix though

Also, it actually does the full three ticks of flood?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

They didn't scuff the duration as well?

Huh, interesting

Maybe they coded as 9.5 s or 2.5 s ticks

[zenith tundra]

it might be the scaling scuffed in some way

[elder crane]

Scaling or coeff, yeah

[frail orbit]

🍝

[ionic magnet]

d3 drops gold sub torp

[zenith tundra]

i might just farm c2 or c3 not sure if i care about the sub torp that much to do 1 more battle

[ionic magnet]

sadly its not the mag torp

so i wont farm it either

already got 6 gold torps so

[zenith tundra]

yeah i'm pretty much in the same situation

[shell heron]

Is it at least the blue torp?

[zenith tundra]

it's mk16 in c3 and type 95 in d3

[elder crane]

type 95 obviously the good one smh

with the extended range

even in 12-4 boss, not even flag sub can range choukai without type 95

why can't all subs be like U101

[jagged steppe]

i havn't sleep since yesterday

[zenith tundra]

then u-101 wouldn't be special

[jagged steppe]

been waking up for 26 hour waiting for interpid

[zenith tundra]

u waited for nothing lol

also i would've slept just so time passed faster

[jagged steppe]

I cant sleep

im tilted

they scam baltimore banner

im mad

[zenith tundra]

i was expecting intrepid to be better. kind of a let down tbh

[jagged steppe]

is she actually that bad

what uss needed is a tank taht buff whole team

[zenith tundra]

she is not bad but also not good

[jagged steppe]

is it hard to create a ship like that

iowa?

[zenith tundra]

maybe they just decided that uss won't ever have a flagship

all the other big nations got theirs

[jagged steppe]

big e

bigger e

[shell heron]

Biggest E

[sterile bluff]

im tilted

so disappointed XD

i saved so hard for the event ships haha

[zenith tundra]

just do build and waste every cube and coin on research

[sterile bluff]

good idea

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

not even intrepid is that bad

[sterile bluff]

ye ill try to get her

[zenith tundra]

reno and bermerton look good

[sterile bluff]

cuz waifu

but i honestly thought she would be at least as good as essex

[zenith tundra]

none of the essexes have been as good as essex herself

kind of starting to see a pattern here

[sterile bluff]

gotta wait for her event then 😦

i thought the devs would finally make something meta-defining

cuz recent metas have been pretty boring

[zenith tundra]

intrepid looks like a half attempt at a pvp ship too bad not good enough

[past egret]

That’s because there are like 28 essexes

@zenith tundra we got the skills?

[sterile bluff]

ye

[zenith tundra]

after 4 i kind of don't want the rest if they all are just worse then the 1st

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Aii13jR-KMOLvdHGzcaorF4sMe4kp99gAOPqjQiFe3g/htmlview#gid=0

[sterile bluff]

exactly that's what i mean

like it's always the same ships over and over and over again who r the "best in the game"

can't they just make something new for once in their life?

smh

[past egret]

Fun fact manju supposedly doesn’t even decide that part since the actual coders create the stats

[jagged steppe]

noway

[sterile bluff]

ye the coders, the devs

thats who i was referring to

[jagged steppe]

oh ok

[past egret]

The other company

Not manju

[jagged steppe]

I thought game developer leaving game balance to coder

[sterile bluff]

yostar right?

or yongshi

[past egret]

Yongshi is the main coders

@zenith tundra correct?

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue tbh

i haven't checked who does what in al

[past egret]

Meh

Anyways I’m on mobile so reading that data mine chart is hard

@zenith tundra anyone actually good?

[zenith tundra]

for pvp anyone tbh

intrepid could be decent but the the others not much of a chance

reno has a cv/l protection skill but is only 10% and nothing else relevant to pvp

[past egret]

Reno looked like she’d actually be good

[jagged steppe]

if the server down til next 2 hour

is it mas massacre

[zenith tundra]

maint is supposed to end in 8min

[jagged steppe]

rush

or it gonna randomly maint next 1 more hour and kabooom

[dry agate]

for equipment on pvp CLs
is it better to run boilers or Rainbow torp auxes?
double torp aux or double boiler?
one of each?

[zenith tundra]

reno just gets aa and fp buff which are both very not relevant for pvp. maybe her gun can do some dmg but why use her over yukikaze

[jagged steppe]

depend on do you like consistant or meme

*ce

cy

[dry agate]

Nep with Jintsu

[jagged steppe]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

[zenith tundra]

neptune wants defensive gear like boiler and toolbox/pearl

so u can make the most out of her heal

jintsuu could run oxy and boiler but it depends if u want her to survive more or deal more damage

[frail orbit]

U wont even dare to put rainbow dildo smhw on Jin

Even if her stats is high

[dry agate]

I usually run pearl on Juneau

[frail orbit]

PVP more about utility

[zenith tundra]

it's a bit overkill unless ws teams usually (pearl on juneau)

what is ur backline? do u have problems tanking focused damage?

[dry agate]

I'm running quad rainbow torps on Jint and nep atm lol

but was wondering if boilers would be better

[zenith tundra]

boiler help keeping ur vg alive more since u can dodge bb shoots more easily

[dry agate]

I use queen triple BB backline

[safe meteor]

does anyone still got exercises left before maintenance?

[jagged steppe]

bos

i cait coming

[zenith tundra]

i used them all

[jagged steppe]

it coming

[safe meteor]

yea me too

10 hour mainteanance was shaky last time, it took over 12 hours and missed a few exercises

[jagged steppe]

its up?

[zenith tundra]

i just wanted to at least get top 10 rank this season so no reason to lose more attempts

it's up it seems but can't login lol

network error

[jagged steppe]

here we go again

[zenith tundra]

same. good to know that avrora is still the same

[jagged steppe]

im in

[zenith tundra]

glad en is not my main account rn

[jagged steppe]

back

[zenith tundra]

i would be very salty

[jagged steppe]

to the main screen

LMFAO

[zenith tundra]

just got same thing lol

[jagged steppe]

server just couldn't handle the login amounts

[ripe latch]

dead game but not have slots for ppl

[jagged steppe]

in other online game when there are million people logginn in at the same time they had queing login system

[zenith tundra]

my jp server had similar issues last maint but now is working perfectly... seems like they didn't fix en at all

[jagged steppe]

but azur lane just load all at the same time

so it kaput

one door couldn't fit 4 fat people

[zenith tundra]

i saw on other servers some que thing. why doesn't avrora have that

[dry agate]

so would Yuki be a better choice then Jintsu with a Nep and Juneau?

[empty grove]

Damn

15 hour time

[zenith tundra]

i would prefer yukikze over almost anyone but juneau due to her buffs and ability to survive. u can try using noshiro as well instead of jintsuu, she should be much better

[jagged steppe]

[zenith tundra]

good thing i went down to 0. can't seem to login

extra maint incoming

[jagged steppe]

round2

start

well

that escalated quickly

[dry agate]

ah yes forgot that one
honesty wanted to try Aurora as my third filler to make more use of Queen
doubt it makes a difference tho

[jagged steppe]

use this

[past egret]

I got 70 cubes worth of pulls before servers crashed

[jagged steppe]

[zenith tundra]

aurora isn't that good unless u use cv teams. she doesn't survive much and while her debuff is strong bb don't really benefit from it unless it's nagato

[dry agate]

I see

might try Yuki then

[jagged steppe]

avrora is not hot

[zenith tundra]

u can't even enter. it's cold

i don't think i'll connect anytime soon tbh. just perma network error

[past egret]

I got my first comments on ships so I’m happy

[dry agate]

I'm just waiting for the ping and comp rewards

[zenith tundra]

next thing will be servers down for extra maint

[empty grove]

& a rollback

[zenith tundra]

no more of those ugh

[empty grove]

Ohh well

I went to 0 as well

[shell heron]

I won't mind a rollback tbh. pvp was already scuffed as is and my pulls were bad

let me redo them

[dry agate]

I was rank 80 something last I played

[zenith tundra]

i didn't even get pass login screen

[blazing scroll]

Out of experience I already did all pvp attempts

[past egret]

If they rollback the game though and I lose my Reno I’m finna shoot myself

[ionic magnet]

only avrora ded?

[elder crane]

at least Sandy too apparently

[zenith tundra]

seems like the others too sandy the most

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

I was already down to 0/10 last night. Nothing lost for me

[zenith tundra]

it's still annoying that u can't even login to the server...

[shell heron]

servers weren't this bad before

[empty grove]

Aye

More free shit tho

I'm behind on FGO too

[zenith tundra]

i'm a bit surprised because jp didn't seem to have any problems. i was hoping they would fix en the same way

[shell heron]

I vote for rollback. I don't like my luck this time