#pvp
jagged steppe
empty grove
You on avrora Eri?
empty grove
Lets see if my phone works
tough dirge
dude
tough dirge
how can you complain about rushing season
when you're half of my rank
and half of my level
empty grove
tough dirge
just: Ai wana patatje mayonais 
forest lake
tough dirge
NO
forest lake
tough dirge
yea no moderation right
forest lake
Already have tons of them
tough dirge
t2 parts
tough dirge
oh
well the bests rewards aside from ryuujou were probably 3x 2x T3 skill and t3 bb bp
forest lake
Yikes
marsh bane
Works for me, even if it takes sometimes 2 or 3 restarts
Switched to my Sandy alt tho, got fed up, guess there's a reason I got my alt the Yuki L2D for bad times 
jagged steppe
im just 4 months old player yo
should I msg them with chinglish?
"why you no fix you server? you have many rmb from akashi why you no make good server?"
litterly all my chinese friend speak english like this when they speak english with me
90% of the time "why you no"
midnight heron
cuz its a direct translation from chinese kek
midnight heron
jagged steppe
they say this game is funny instead of this game is very fun
I remember one guy talk to me
you think you're funny?
ABAHAHAH
he meatn to ask if im having fun
then he say
"you think you funny?"
im losing myt shit
midnight heron
yes im funny bitch
jagged steppe
I used to speak good english but after I play alot of chinese game and speak with many chinese people my english become broken
english is not my first language and I have to tried to comminicate with chinese people and I need to speak broken english or they cant understand
im like fuck
upper sparrow
midnight heron
lul u probably cant stand singlish then
midnight heron
yes
upper sparrow
jagged steppe
I cant remember when was the last time I say "dont" to chinese people
I always saying no do it
instead of dont
jagged steppe
i used to be in one of touhou game group for so long but many people dislike me cuz im foreigner and im very famous
one day
I type in group
"I am half chinese,if I sneeze does it mean I have 50% chance to spread corona?" they kick me
midnight heron
jagged steppe
im streaming on chinese site
playing a custom map in dota2 and dota2 on bilibili and other chinese game
static gull
Sure, streaming on bilibili won't make you famous worldwide, but it's definitely nothing to be sneezed at!
cursed jokes thread
cerulean estuary
avrora maintenance extends till next pvp reset 
what a season
upper sparrow
F for avrora server dweller
static gull
runic sorrel
zenith tundra
what maint? i'm still logged in
jagged steppe
shell heron
Nope servers are still being garbage with login times
zenith tundra
i can play just fine. guess rip pvp since i won't relog
marsh bane
I keep switching from Avrora to Sandy with zero problems while waiting for pvp to update to sandbag 
zenith tundra
ok so um can get in just takes time
jagged steppe
M<AN
I SHOULDN
"T
RELOG
AT ALL
MAN
MAN
I TRIED RELOG
THEN IU CANT LOGIN VOEREVER
atomic dagger
lmfao I attacked one of them and theres more!
zenith tundra
how many pts?
atomic dagger
80
zenith tundra
i mean score pts not merit
atomic dagger
yeah
atomic dagger
zenith tundra
those seem to be some kind of fake accounts made so u have opponents even when no one has done any pvp yet
atomic dagger
probably related to avrora server getting rekt
midnight heron
damn i wanna fight ai for ez wins 
zenith tundra
i meet 2 of them in list right at the beginning of the season when i looked at list like right after reset
atomic dagger
you don't get points tho...
zenith tundra
i was in jp so they are made for each server
zenith tundra
u shouldn't have met any at this point of the season so that's definitely because of the servers problems
zenith tundra
i would suggest just forget about current pvp season. with how things are going u get frustrated for no reason
shell heron
just become a pleb for this season and worry about the next 
marsh bane
scuffed season
shell heron
extra scuffed season 
karmic forum
Even though season is dead it's still probably the second most interesting season we've ever had
zenith tundra
how is not being able to play or people having extra attempts for no reason interesting?
karmic forum
The fact that the scores are so fucked up is what makes it interesting
elder crane
Yeah
PvP meta itself has been dead for a year now
coral wren
Is Aya useful in pvp?
elder crane
on defense, is kinda viable to troll people with RNG, although there's other (difficult-to-get) options that do that better
on offense, enjoy resetting to actually land her torps well enough to make up for her being not that great on average
although, she's one way of cheesing out a win vs better teams
still, there's better (more-difficult-to-get) options
zenith tundra
i'm 30+ pts behind other bug abusers in jp because they abused more attempts then i did. it's definitely more "fun" to try and recover 40 pts without losing any attempts instead of just having a fair season.
i wonder what is even the point of playing a season like this where scores are fucked up and people can't actually play
shell heron
Devs did say something about noticing sus activity and there will be compensation
but I'm not expecting much
empty owl
Um dumb question but when skills say something like +5% FP and I had 100fp would that skill make it a total of 105fp?
shell heron
the way I interpt those skills is that if the ship have 100 base FP then it would go up to 105
stats added by gear and buffs are not increased
but what do I know 
empty owl
It's ok
Maybe they just don't add it in because some aren't always active
Also does Didos first skill also effect her for the class buff?
shell heron
I would assume so. Gonna need someone else to confirm it
elder crane
Yeah, it affects her too
empty owl
Oh
empty owl
So with both her skills active she would have a 21% boost to FP @shell heron ?
shell heron
This is assuming you're running 4 HMS
empty owl
I am
shell heron
but with her alone, 21% buff for the first 30s sounds right
empty owl
I'm gonna replace Belfast when Dido is high enough level
elder crane
I'd rather replace Aurora there
elder crane
Yeah, seems good to me
ideally you'd want Juneau in there, but it is annoying to have to level a ship only good for PvP
jagged steppe
imagine dido having 2 gun instead of 178 torp
with 39% fp
and qe +15%
OH
dido can use DD gun
!
empty owl
D-does that change things?
elder crane
you use DD gun on her
that's about it
she'd be mediocre if she couldn't mount DD gun
since she can, she's pretty good
empty owl
So use the new Russian DD gun?
elder crane
that probably is good, alternatively the Other newish russian DD gun
if you can't spare either, twin 100 mm
her barrage is good enough to skew a bit towards spamming it like that
the new russian DD gun is bonkers though, so it might still be technically the best option on her
empty owl
I was thinking one of the 4 here
shell heron
I like the 138 or the new russian DD gun
elder crane
pretty sure the twin 100 on Dido is better than the 138
her barrage is really good
iirc if you can land ~1/3 of it on targets that matter, 100 mm is better than the 138
the twin 130 though, then it gets questionable, twin 130 might still be better
although the single 130 is better than all of these options
the purple gun
empty owl
I think I'll try the twin 130
whole terrace
i thought HE guns were important for pvp vanguards for fire refreshing
karmic forum
Wait we got rolled back again 
empty owl
So if I did the math correct dido at max level with just her skills added would be at 191 FP
marsh bane
Wait we got rolled back again
wait did we
karmic forum
Look at PvP leaderboards again
tropic dagger
why not just give dido the 76mm
empty owl
The blue AA one?
tropic dagger
ye
shell heron
nothing changed on Avrora 
empty owl
W-well I want her to do some damage
shell heron
Don't see why you would want the 76 on Dido. A CL being able to use a DD gun you want something better
imo French single 138>Russian 130>twin 127 = twin 100
empty owl
I thought the 130 did more DPS then the 138
shell heron
you're just deciding between normal and HE shells
ionic magnet
130 wins vs light/med
elder crane
you're forgetting that Dido has one of the best barrages in the game
ionic magnet
138 on heavy
elder crane
it's like 2/3 the damage of neptune's but more concentrated
637.5 damage at 100/75/40
552.5 at 100/80/60
compare Neptune
1408 at 100/80/60
her guns are great ofc so 76 mm is obviously stupid meme
empty owl
So I would want to give her a quick fireing gun
vague token
you want a fast gun that doesnt gimp your shot damage all the way
which is basically just 100mm
it isnt like she has crazy efficiency to use with a big dd gun anyways
ionic magnet
who uses dido anyways 
elder crane
single 130 mm obviously if you have that
that gun's basically a better 100 mm for the shot damage/fire rate thing
it's almost as much DpS as the 138, but has almost as much fire rate as the twin 100 mm
and the spread on it is identical to that of the 138
upbeat hollow
actually starting to really like chapayev against ykkz/ayanami frontlines 
triple bb is starting to feel good as well
elder crane
idk, anything good feels good vs Aya 
upbeat hollow
true
shell heron
if only we got more than 1 of the 130mm from that event
vague token
wish they put these guns in pr2
jagged steppe
CL had 25% dmg reduction in pvp,mont buff give 15% dmg reduction does these 2 stack addictively or mult?
elder crane
Normal Dred is always multi
ionic magnet
addictively 
elder crane
yeah, hence normal dred
when it comes to special reductions,
fire damage reduction stacks additively with itself
tough dirge
this entire session has been cancer
no bonus and missed 5 to maintenance crash
oof
narrow obsidian
reppuu or hell cat for pvp ?
narrow obsidian
k
frail orbit
Also higher airstrike reload.
And that speed for AA baiting anyway, important against Wakai based ones.
Only thing Hellcats would do better is just AA in PVP and we know that def fleet with 2CV is a joke anyways
Only time I'd use Hellcats is for my FC comp timing's tuning
Even then, already a plenty better option like Sea Fury in terms of reload airstrike
1s is the magic timing gap
static gull
i have just calculated that i need around 150k oil in order to up from 105 to 115, holy f
it is legal ?
zenith tundra
105 to 115 for what ship? and tf are u farming?
zenith tundra
noshiro is the most easy leveling up in the game tbh. u can use her anywhere
forest lake
Both 
static gull
i think yuki is a bit behind her
zenith tundra
i have a yuki pfp and i don't really like noshiro in pvp so i won't give any advices
zenith tundra
azuma just makes noshiro not worth using. u can still think about it now since not maxed azuma but by all means with 457 ws and maxed azuma yukikaze still way above noshiro in usefulness
static gull
so kawai
If i had enough points i would research azuma. Anyway, only getting those blueprints is pain in ....
there are a lot of azuma below even 15-20 dev lvl in pvp and it don't help them much
elder crane
Tbh I find Noshiro more helpful than ykkz
Less snipes/chunks on Juneau from enemy torps, less damage taken by Azuma from them too
Main fleet is high enough HP anyways
Noshiro herself is also less RNG since she relies more on base HP than ykkz does
Her guns are also not shit
You can also do semitorpmemes with Ibuki Noshiro Azuma should you like that
Overall, she's probably less powerful, but I think more consistent, which is a fine tradeoff for offense
zenith tundra
u still haven't seen ships getting demolished in 15 sec by ws barrage 2 fdg barrages and ws mg
i saw my amagi with both heavy ihr and beaver rudder melt
elder crane
Well, that's EN meta right now
You're not gonna see dev30 FdG or 457 for another 2 months minimum
Also just tank that shit with Hiryuu
zenith tundra
that's why i pointed out that 457 and maxed azuma
if u lose final counter 20 secs in u lost already because u cannot kill fdg fast enough with only amagi and nagato
elder crane
We'll see I suppose
zenith tundra
i didi the opposite with namaryuu put amagi to tank as long as she could so u could kill vg and have hiryuu finish everything by herself
vague token
all the damage i need is ws mid xD
zenith tundra
depends who she snipes mid. somehow i managed to reset against a namaryuu because my ws mid was sniping an amagi that didn't die and hiryuu was clearing my backlines afterwards
karmic forum
Who gets the beaver badge in Namaryuu?
Mine is currently on Amagi but I've had it on Nagato and Hiryuu at different points
zenith tundra
should be either nagato or amagi if u put hiryuu tank
ionic magnet
noshiro azuma jun is actually legit
way better than azuma ykkz jun
zenith tundra
again i look at a prospective where my backlines gets blown up before my juneau can even sink
ionic magnet
azuma just melts so easily rn
maybe it will change when she gets to dev30 but i doubt it
zenith tundra
dev 25 she gets much more tanky
karmic forum
I'm currently using Noshiro/juneau/ykkz when I'm not levelling ships
zenith tundra
1k hp and 5 evasion at dev 25
just the 1k hp is 2.3k hp in pvp
without nagato she is not broken imo
running her with ws amagi fdg and she is nowhere near as strong offensively as with nagato comps
ionic magnet
and where are the azumas in avrora so i can test 
zenith tundra
she still can kill vg mostly by herself which is more then most other vg ships can do
karmic forum
I'll have Azuma and FDG ready in about 4 months probably
zenith tundra
stella's is not even dev 20. i can't find any azuma research
frail orbit
Same
Still at d15ish atm
ionic magnet
dev20 azuma cant even outdps noshiro most of the time
vague token
im at dev 18
zenith tundra
again azuma without nagato is not that strong
ionic magnet
i mean thats noshiro w/o nagato also
vague token
i just need her to be thicc
ionic magnet
well ill wait a bit more ig
frail orbit
Alas
With that in mind, once we hit D25ish Zoomer, could skip Juneau in place of Yuki/Noshi?
Like Yuki Noshi Zoom
zenith tundra
noshiro doesn't even gain much of nagato just acc which is not amazing for cl and reload
ionic magnet
nah you can ditch ykkz instead tho
zenith tundra
azuma benefits from everything nagato buffs
ionic magnet
im really liking jun noshiro azuma rn
hot creek
I have exactly enough BP for dev 25 azuma if I spent all my DR general on her
zenith tundra
i spent most of my dr bps on fdg
frail orbit
Same
ionic magnet
i slacced hard on polaris event
mines only dev22
hot creek
I will keep them unspent just incase one gets too much of a difference over the other
but they're both keeping a similar pace
I want them both dev 30 at the same time.
zenith tundra
azuma got ahead quite a bit. at 1 point i spent like 30+ dr general on fdg just to catch her up
vague token
you guys get so lucky with the research x_X
zenith tundra
dev 19 azuma and 17 fdg. stella isn't lucky at all
karmic forum
More like they dedicated a good amount of cubes to PRs
hot creek
Not luck, well maybe a little but my cubes are in double digits rn. I do have like 100 in the mail tho so technically not but yeah.
and I had around 900 when PR2 released
karmic forum
I only save gold and oil in mails because they have a stack limit
zenith tundra
i don't think is worth sacrificing event ships for a bit more bps
karmic forum
If I get a good roll on an event, then the rest goes to PR
But I usually stay above 400 cubes before an event in case of disastrous rolls
hot creek
I just want to get PR2 over with. I don't really care about most event ships unless they have pvp application anwyays.
karmic forum
It would be nice to not care about having every ship but I value collection far more than PvP
zenith tundra
i don't think fdg is really that worth it in pvp since u can beat anything so far with namaryuu. she is broken but only as a tank. and for azuma dev25 she is strong enough anyway with nagato
i never even once use them in pve at dev 30
hot creek
It's more that I get to flex my six star DR's on defense earlier than most people than actually using them in pvp 
Still, I do want to test them out as soon as possible.
zenith tundra
i like that team because it kind of fucks with ws teams since u cannot easily snipe either suruga or fdg but it also has very low chances of actually winning on defense
best stalling team pretty much
zenith tundra
wtf is that score
like even with the extra 5 attempts i lost my best would be around 1370.... that's 300 over it
more like 2.9k aim?
ionic magnet
well he'll prolly eat some +8s
zenith tundra
yeah but if u could keep that advantage it would be 2.9k
so that's like 30++ attempts extra
ionic magnet
zenith tundra
compared to jp that is 2 resets ahead
ionic magnet
sanrui looking down on her haters 
zenith tundra
next time server lags badly i'll try and abuse as well
ionic magnet
well i already gave up on the first maint
server feels smooth now
wheres that compensation they promised
zenith tundra
1 day ago after daily reset was all fucked up. let's see today
marsh bane
146 
zenith tundra
did u lose 10 attempts or something?
marsh bane
Yeah 5 from the long MT and 5 on Monday night because I'm stupid already gave up on this, but since this season is scuffed anyways
I guess I'll just try next season and watch out for all resets that time
Also tbh it's my first time I'm actually kinda bothering with this, if it's not too bad I might do it a bit more serious the next seasons
I always used it to level ships before 
zenith tundra
hopefully next season won't be shit like this one
marsh bane
I hope that too 
I really chose the wrong season to start doing pvp 
static gull
reseted
zenith tundra
top 100 farm every reset from now on. i get more bonuses rushing then sandbagging lol
+10 in 4 attempts lol
static gull
that time when you have strong fleet and can reset easily in a pursuit of points
ripe latch
why ppl put enty on flag? 
zenith tundra
one reason might be to avoid ws sniping her
ripe latch
kekw
zenith tundra
but don't try and make sense out of random defense fleets
static gull
have you seen Azurlane's February revenue report?
zenith tundra
i haven't seen it. if u have a link i would be interested tho
static gull
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av95230939 timecode: 2:29
i was so dissapointed that wanna right now end this game and pvp season
ripe latch
this numbers only from jp server?
zenith tundra
the + in the video are good or bad under actual numbers?
zenith tundra
that's not how it usually works. chinese are weird
static gull
want to drink some tea after hearing such uncertain news
zenith tundra
might not be a bad thing. if they really want more money how about improve the game...
also lack of any new content outside of event for jp/cn servers is not helping too
static gull
i played arknights and as for me, without any kind of cooperation and group activities isnt interesting
At least al has pvp
zenith tundra
did they actually just cut their losses by cutting down servers?
that's one thing that comes to mind considering current situation and that chart
static gull
you might be right. If they curtail some spending on maintaining their servers then it adds up
ripe latch
on video description - static numbers similar to 2017 
zenith tundra
2017 
ripe latch
video report about jp server , not include another servers
zenith tundra
wasn't jp the most income al had?
ripe latch
static gull
rows: IOS ; Android
columns from left to right (if i am not mistaken) China ; Japan ; Korea ; Taiwan : USA
is it correct translation?
ripe latch
korea +8
zenith tundra
korea on + but also least income
seems like cn has more income now if that's true. by quite a bit
static gull
Also, it can be due to Arknights release
It was released in a middle of January
12 or 15
ripe latch
fgo drop more then al 
marsh bane
AK 🚮
AL 
zenith tundra
the whole video is pretty much a bunch of - for everything but honkai impact 3rd
static gull
Sandy
zenith tundra
+10 in 1 reset is like 5 times more then i got sandbagging
ionic magnet
somebody mentioned honkai?
zenith tundra
i did lol
ionic magnet
was gonna say something but nvm
anyways not suprising that most of them got losses
ppl prolly spending less on gachas cos of that virus thing
zenith tundra
so corona virus is killing al after all
ripe latch
ripe latch
intern-kun - antivirus
static gull
why for ws players choose purple 410mm MG ?
just for dps or for specific enemy fleet?
upper sparrow
for timing i guess, i.e. when u encounter enty. But tbh monarch gun or fdg gun is much better
elder crane
FdG gun is literally upgraded purple 410, so yeah
The only timing argument I can reasonably see is to better snipe Hiryuu, since FdG gun reload is just slightly longer than final counter's 15 s
Enty is a nonissue
And rudder is easily microadjusted around with FCR and/or triple 381 vs mk6
inner zenith
👀
shell heron
Avrora leaderboard is not slow this season. It got scuffed by rollbacks and players getting extra matches
It is legit easier to rush and hope for one of the top ranks than sandbagging to recover now
jagged steppe
just giveup and play next season
hot creek
im still sandbagging and playing as usual
shell heron
catching r1 is a +6
zenith tundra
i never got r1 in list. i think is really hard due to score difference
shell heron
I hard pushed early and refresh a few times
nice to get one of the "legit" players for next reset
zenith tundra
this is more for fun because i see 0 chances at top 10... too many attempts difference
shell heron
I want to challenge myself and see if I can still rush top 10 by nibbling at the current top 3
zenith tundra
i'm 64 pts behind current r10
shell heron
I'm closing the gap, 40 behind
smoky elk
i'm whatever 
zenith tundra
love this every time
zenith tundra
wrong channel if u don't like meta fleets
zenith tundra
i know that but 3 cv aren't meta anyway
ripe latch
zenith tundra
to put it simply any vg without juneau is a meme imo. what would full kms vg actually do?
ripe latch
kms fleets steel low tier?
zenith tundra
even bismark fdg is not that good
any comp u can make with bismark fdg u can make it better without bismark.
zenith tundra
she doesn't do much outside of buff that's the problem
and not enough good kms ships to make use of it
vague token
bismark's buff is worse than nagato's
zenith tundra
especially backlines
vague token
it doesnt work on barrages
nagato boosts fp so it boosts the already strong ijn barrages further
biscuit boosts Main Gun, Planes, and Torpedo crit
which means the few kms barrages that are there dont get buffed
zenith tundra
even if u could make roon juneau yuki/leip work u still need 1 good kms backline for bismark buff to be actually good
ripe latch
i want to up fdg to 120 on pvp but dont know what put on comp with her
zenith tundra
anything literally works for fdg
she is like ws only focused on tanking instead of dmg
vague token
she still has strong shelling if it feels like aiming backline
cause of her weird alternating shelling skill
rng fun times
zenith tundra
i wonder if fdg centaur formidable works... i mean u don't 1 shoot stuff but u can't really die either
not to focus dmg at least
ripe latch
think about centaur fdg amagi
zenith tundra
not enough dmg imo
amagi without nagato is not that strong
and fdg dmg isn't that much better
zenith tundra
pretty sure anything works with fdg ws
as long as it does something useful
nice fleets to test against
not even the 14k is full 120
definitely need noshiro buff to keep juneau alive more
like why she shouldn't die after main fleet
there we go even with azuma.... surely don't need backline defense against a bad monarch and ws with 457
upper sparrow
juneau not die before fdg 
wraith eagle
megane powah
also on the off chance a stray sub joins the fray
reminder that nuke codes are not allowed here
@static gull
thanks
static gull
nah, just names
upper sparrow
past egret
Coming across a nuke code fleet can be quite nice, I like seeing people’s favorite reads
elder crane
inb4 new PvP defense meme meta is Marblehead with Emergence nuke code
frail orbit
karmic forum
Its 100% going to happen
safe meteor
think we finally gonna get a Bismarck/Nagato for the USS faction?
inner zenith
anyone using fdg or azuma yet for pvp? 👀
vague token
ive been using azuma since like 110
mostly for exp
cause she costs a lot of oil
xD
she does like half the damage of noshiro
but she tanks fine atm
need that last 1k hp boost
shell heron
12 more bps til dev 20 and I can almost use her for pvp
still have to 120 and oath her
safe meteor
yea i was wondering how to even get Azuma affection to 200 after oathing
cost more than a battleship
vague token
im at 189
almost done
just been going back to 1:1 in 3-4 cause of the clearing mode
safe meteor
that a good place to grind up affection?
vague token
no, but i never got akagi
shell heron
I just stop caring for oil at that point
vague token
there's some in the sara shop
zenith tundra
i'm hoarding as much gold as possible. oil regenerates itself
hot creek
10hr comm gang represent
zenith tundra
aren't u usually low due to research?
normally i sit around 20-30k if i do research
less if i do some retros
shell heron
actually no. research alone don't drain coins much
next event might tho. MLB ships, banner builds, and maybe gear skins again
zenith tundra
i never buy gear skins
shell heron
Depends on the skins. The vodka torp skin was nice
hot creek
i spend around 10k gold on research daily average
zenith tundra
that seems really low unless u just waste cubes instead
hot creek
daily average for cube spending is around 11
shell heron
Dont get enough high value research. End up being cheap refresh ones every day
zenith tundra
just spamming 1.5h is 20k+ per day
zenith tundra
if i don't do those i don't really fell like i get any bps at all without spending cubes
ionic magnet
i just rotate between those two for fast refresh
hot creek
I think I'd still pick 1/hr Q projects over G-412 and then just stick to face projects if I wanted BP without spending cubes.
ionic magnet
if you keep spamming coin research you'll bankrupt yourself fast
ionic magnet
its not sustainable to spam coin comms only anyways
ionic magnet
id say Q comms are garbage tbh but there's just nothing better to take most of the time
ionic magnet
exactly
zenith tundra
one thing i hate tho is when u pick one for refresh and the refresh is just as bad as before it. i'd rather just do something that sill gives stuff not praying for better rng
hot creek
you should realize the rate of PR equips from those 1 hr projects is still very good because of the fact its so fast, even though it often gives you nothing.
Even if you discount the fact they're a good refresher
ionic magnet
*assuming you want gear prints
zenith tundra
i have 7 seattle guns and never focused on 1hr for equipment in jp. u'll get equip anyway by the end of pr2
hot creek
Well, Im sure everyone here is still trying to get rainbow guns so...
ionic magnet
yea after few months i dont really look forward to gear bps more than ship bps
well rainbow gun is an exception
that sht is weird
i swear i got more copies from G comms than Q comms
zenith tundra
from experience and hearing other people around the rate seems to be around 1bp per week for georgia gun
ionic magnet
when did pr2 got released again
hot creek
dec 19
zenith tundra
that seems really lucky rng
ionic magnet
at start yes but not lately
hot creek
im at 27.
young mulch
18 
ionic magnet
i wish theyd do more event reruns tho so i can spam more cube comms
zenith tundra
i think new event spam is to try and keep people spending money on al since it seems it's not going that well
vague token
stuck at 17/50 ree
zenith tundra
some are just lucky
hot creek
imo, choosing the correct projects, being active and being able to spend cubes have much more say than just luck. Luck can only last so long over the months you're going to spend on research. Luck always equals out.
Of course, there are some insane statistical outliers but those are very very few.
I don't even consider HooLoo's rainbow gun count to be an outlier at this point. I did at the beginning though when he had like 9/50 within the first week or so though 
zenith tundra
pretty sure he is way above average even for people that consistently do research
hot creek
he's still definitely above average and will probably stay that way for awhile, I just kind of get peeved in general when people say research is just luck.
ionic magnet
yeah that first week is funny
i even considered my self unlucky when i dont get 2 bps in a day
zenith tundra
there is still some luck involved tho. not 100% luck but not consistent too. just like 1 event u get everything in 40 builds and another u need 160
plus if u keep getting bad researches there is nothing u can really do
like getting 1 4/6h blue and another bad purple and rest pr1
hot creek
Over a long period of time, streaks of good luck and streaks of bad luck will just average out.
zenith tundra
idk i've been playing on stella account for like 10 days and i didn't see more then 4 dr researches
and it's not like he has high dr dev levels
shell heron
I think I'm on 20
hot creek
idk what to tell ya. I mean, maybe you really do have exceptionally bad luck. But if I were to suggest one thing to you, it would be to choose the 1hr Q projects over the 1.5 hr G ones.
I once did a count of how many face projects have been offered to me, and oddly enough DR face projects were pretty similar to the amount PR ones offered overall.
zenith tundra
what i try to say is i don't think luck necessarily evens out in a finite time. maybe over 1yr but some people will have georgia gun months earlier then others and that can't even out when u don't get to make infinite amount of it, pretty much u only get 1
hot creek
You have a point but still, even after like 6 months imo, it should still be pretty evened out for the most part.
unfortunately theres just too many things to take account to make any accurate guesses so all e can do is guestimate.
but im honestly under the impression that, in general, people with much lower than average rainbow gun counts simply aren't as active with research or are doing research inefficiently.
zenith tundra
if i don't want to invest cubes is not like i can pass g projects because i don't get huge incomes of ship bps without cubes
hot creek
right now, I think the "normal" range is somewhere between 22-28 rainbow gun prints. which is a pretty large range but it will tighten as time passes.
the 1.5 hr G projects are still pretty ok in general, Im just suggesting to do the 1hr Q ones instead if you happen to see both at the same time.
honestly you can still get plenty of BP from face projects
even without cubes.
but if you're talking about DR BP strictly well....yeah its going to be harder but still those 1/hr Q projects are a great refresher and source of PR2 equip/rainbow gun
zenith tundra
only coins vs cubes spam or cubes+coins has a way lower bps income. the difference is actually pretty big
hot creek
Yes, for ship bps, I know the difference is huge.
cause the sheer output and speed of cube research
Do you strictly never do them? imo opening yourself to spending even a couple cubes every once in awhile is a massive gamechanger. Doesn't have to be full on cube spam.
Just do it when your only other options are garbage.
zenith tundra
i did like 2-3 of them when everything else was pure trash. i can't afford to miss ships on stella's account
hot creek
hm true. stella is pretty obsessed with his collection percent
zenith tundra
his account is missing the 2 w13 drops because he never did w13
99.5% collection
i spammed cubes in jp to finish pr1 fate 5 because i was tired of waiting lol
it went quite fast like that
humble cairn
Please try refraining from talking about things that aren’t related to PVP. Use #al-general or #off-topic for that thank you. 
zenith tundra
not gonna argue but there was for off-topic sice it was research related
finally got r2 in list. it should be +3 almost by 1 point off
sterile bluff
i feel like pvp channel is somewhat research channel lol
zenith tundra
considering how much good stuff there is in pr2 for pvp it's not surprising
sterile bluff
oof educate me on all the good stuff
zenith tundra
azuma and fdg are pretty much top tier to use in pvp. 457 is best gun u can put on ws/fdg and seattle guns are bis for bb in pvp
zenith tundra
mk6 does less dmg on medium and heavy then 457
sterile bluff
oh
zenith tundra
since most of the battle is based on backlines that are medium or heavy 457 is very good
u still need he for fire
sterile bluff
ok ik that 457 is indeed very good but why only ws/fdg specifically?
who should use that gun
zenith tundra
ws can guaranteed hitting backlines with her skill which makes her bis
fdg has the skill that boost mg damage and crit which works really well with a strong mg
sterile bluff
i see
but for fdg, it doesn't say anything about hitting backlines, just boosting dmg
so won't mk6 be better?
cuz it'll hit frontline
sometimes
zenith tundra
well fdg will usually survive past vg death then she can use 457 to it's max
zenith tundra
also hitting vg with bb shells is mostly luck since most people use speed aux
sterile bluff
ye
zenith tundra
if it hits it can actually dmg azuma which should be way more common once people have her at decent dev level
sterile bluff
welp, im currently trying to get the 406skc for monarch
from pr2
tbh not going so great XD
getting so many azumagun and seattleguns
zenith tundra
depending on how many bb u use in pvp getting seattle guns is never a bad thing
sterile bluff
ye ik
it's just that it feels so annoying getting all these other bps and never getting the one i want XD
how many bbs should u use in pvp anyways?
zenith tundra
meta comps use 3 most of the time. few cv comps are actually viable
sterile bluff
wow
nice lol cuz im a huge bb fan
i love their barrages hehe
but i usually get fucked by CVs
😢
"owari da"
so sad
just straight up wipes my vg clean
zenith tundra
cv on defense aren't a problem as long as u can keep ur vg alive
cv dropping bombs in open water reduces drastically their dmg
sterile bluff
it's usually cv dropping bombs on my vg that completely murders them
when im on offense
im trying to figure out how to deal with CVs with my BBs
zenith tundra
what are u using
sterile bluff
random ships for now haha, but im thinking about a warkai monarch hiryuu lineup, probably doesn't work but hey
and just a tanky af vg
zenith tundra
that sounds good enough tbh. i like the ws monarch combo and u can use hiryuu to tank opponent ws
sterile bluff
haha yea that's what i was thinking
warkai and monarch barrage op that's why i love them
i just wanna make a comp that's non meta so it isn't super boring but still effective
zenith tundra
yukikaze usually lasts a lot and her buffs are good
sterile bluff
yea ill definitely use her
zenith tundra
azuma is also tanky but u need dev 25 for max tankiness
sterile bluff
i don't even have azuma kek XD
zenith tundra
it's a long term thing for most people
zenith tundra
her barrage seems to actually hit half vg and half backlines. i haven't tried her yet but her dmg is definitely very good what she actually lacks are good synergies with other meta ships
zenith tundra
amagi barrage has an aimed part that hits where the mg shoots and a straight part that hit opponent backline
she isn't used for consistent damage on opponent backline like monarch but more for her defensive buffs
sterile bluff
i see
im wondering if i can just straight up delete a backline with warkai on one end and amagi on the other end
without them needing to fire a second barrage
zenith tundra
not amagi tbh. u can do that with monarch ws more consistently
sterile bluff
wait does monarch's barrage only hit one backline like hood or multiple backliners?
didn't actually test her out yet UwU
sterile bluff
oh ok
so who's barrage is stronger? monarch or hood? Considering hood is a lot more focused but normal ammo
zenith tundra
but she has ok shelling too so she isn't as bad as hood once opposite backline dies
monarch only suffers from low luck so she sometimes misses too much but she should be better then hood
sterile bluff
because of ap modifier?
her barrage is rly spread out but since u said it only hits 1 target i'm kinda worried about her single target dmg
zenith tundra
monarch is still overall better due to better fp and mg dmg
sterile bluff
oh ye ik but i was just wondering about barrage alone
zenith tundra
i haven't really paid too much attention to her barrage tbh and i haven't used hood in pvp in like 1 year
sterile bluff
oh
welp gotta test it out myself then
right now im trying to make something that can delete a backliner (who is usually a cv that shall remain unnamed) at the start of a battle and still do dmg to the other backliners
zenith tundra
if u use ws kai u can actually try using triple 410 ap gun on her
it should help killing medium armor
sterile bluff
oh like the pr1 ap gun?
zenith tundra
yes
zenith tundra
u usually don't want to use ap if no one else can do fires tho but ws solo bb with 457 is usually the exception since it can usually lead to very fast snipe
with hood setting fires it should be fine to use ap on ws
sterile bluff
right fires
so at least one ship with he
what's a tanky vg that can also deal some dmg?
i don't have azuma lel
zenith tundra
vg ships that usually do damage are torp but they are inconsistent
sterile bluff
i was thinking yuki jintsuu + tanky ca? Like roon or smth?
zenith tundra
do u have noshiro?
zenith tundra
she would've been really good since she can both tank and do some dmg
zenith tundra
i wouldn't recommend roon for pvp. i'd rather use juneau for the heal
ideally u want noshiro juneau yukikaze without azuma
sterile bluff
hmm but if i use juneau dmg might suffer
zenith tundra
yeah but it will help ur backlines do more damage
and backlines usually do a lot more dmg then vg
u can try ibuki juneau yukikaze too
sterile bluff
juneau helps backline do more dmg?
zenith tundra
keeping them alive longer means that they can do more dmg
sterile bluff
hmm
the thing is when i wipe out their backlines, their vg is gonna be the problem and if i go mostly bb it's not practical to hit moving vg with salvos so i want my vg to also do some dmg
vague token
if you already lost your vg bb main guns arent a factor
unless ykk snaps farther back they're past your min range
zenith tundra
if u kill backlines u shouldn't be dying to vg. it's almost impossible if u use bb
zenith tundra
what were u using? cv suffer a lot against opponent vg but bb shouldn't
sterile bluff
the fight i remember i used hood ws(no kai) and saratoga. It was probably cuz my aux guns weren't good
zenith tundra
if u don't have good gear u will struggle in pvp
sterile bluff
i mean like hood can't equip cl guns so that's the main problem
which was what i meant
so if i go with a backline that targets the enemy backline i should just use a tanky af vg and not worry about vg dmg?
zenith tundra
well that might be a problem since she really needs retro to be good in pvp
zenith tundra
without the 130% boost on 1st barrage and aim skill she is pretty meh
idk what u have but u might want to try something different till her retro
sterile bluff
i don't get how ppl get like 5k+ dmg per shell on her barrage after kai. Rn i have her non-kai at lv 110 and the skill is lv is 8 and i only do like 1kdmg per shell lmao
like even with the dmg buff on her first barrage i still don't see how it can boost the numbers that much
zenith tundra
her barrage gets enhanced with retro and her 1st barrage gets a 130% damage boost. plus her retro skill gives extra fp
sterile bluff
hmm ye but even with 130% boost 2.3 * 1k is still not 5k+ unless the dmg of her barrage itself gets upgraded
zenith tundra
470 base fp + equip and gets a 15% bonus fp from skill
zenith tundra
the barrage base dmg also get boosted a bit
sterile bluff
ohhhh
that makes sense
honestly i think it gets boosted a lot XD
cuz we have similar fp
zenith tundra
my ws in that screen has actually 649 effective fp
zenith tundra
the barrage still gets a 20% base dmg boost from retro so that helps too
barrages in general gets stronger with skill levels
some even change form
zenith tundra
like base dmg without the 1st barrage boost
zenith tundra
for pvp yes because it has higher dps and lower spread
sterile bluff
ok
hold on if i retro ws and i have her original barrage at lv10 or smth will the lvs get cleared or will it carry over to upgraded barrage?
zenith tundra
skill level carries over
hearty pebble
This is a loaded question, but what is a good PvP composition, for both main and vanguard
zenith tundra
depends on what u have. u can check the pvp tierlist in pin for best comps
if u cannot make any of those comps u can ask here about other non meta comps. there are non meta that can work but they aren't necessarily included in tier list
hearty pebble
Yeah, I can’t make most of the comps in the list, this is what I’ve got
static gull
are shells on ws useless ?
hearty pebble
zenith tundra
u eventually prefer hpfcr if u have that since it makes her much more dangerous if she attacks earlier but u can use white shell instead if u don't have that
tbh at that level just focus on leveling up good pve ships and use for pvp the highest level possible ships u have @hearty pebble
don't try and make a pvp comp now if u cannot clear pve content
pvp rewards aren't that good to be worth investing into pvp only ships early on
hearty pebble
Okay, thanks for the help
zenith tundra
black shell is never used in pvp. white shell can work on ws specifically but is generally inferior overall to sg radar. u also want defensive gear so ur ships don't die too early so it's either double sg or sg rudder. ws can go with rudder white/hpfcr @static gull
static gull
then may be one day i'll equip ws properly , thx
zenith tundra
rip fw rerun ever it seems. VF-17 in core data for jp/cn
zenith tundra
i wonder how much till en catches up with the core data shop
vague token
still waiting for my ap dive bomber
zenith tundra
now we can use double pirate centaur for max speed
zenith tundra
it will be added to research so we can never have it
frail orbit
NO MOAR COOBS PLS
Barely at 580ish atm and . . .
Dem new ships looks so blingey
Fleet tech otw
forest lake
Bremerton in shop
Looks like I won't have to dump a lot of cubes if I don't want to
Imma just get Intrepid and pull out
static gull
i lost twice and dont know whether i ll be in top 10 or not, but you have much harder mission
What is your equip for yuki?
zenith tundra
if u don't play on evrora it should be fine. only avrora has people 200 pts ahead
i use fire extinguisher boiler
static gull
why you don't use new gun from north union event?
zenith tundra
yukikaze mg dmg is not good so i don't want to use that gun on her. plus i prefer getting extra AA so she can survive cv dmg better
static gull
i wonder how much players actually hides their real score
smoky elk
confidential eh?
zenith tundra
the most people can hide right before a reset is 5 attempts
so around 50 pts more then current score in this phase of the season
static gull
for now the highest could be 1700
zenith tundra
could be but they need to be sandbagging to do so. a lot of scores are just rushers that already used their attempts
static gull
if it so and there are a bunch of players hiding in the bushes then yeah, war never changes.
wanna win - sandbagging
zenith tundra
if u want to check if someone is sandbagging u can check his score right after a reset and see if it improves or not. usually rushers don't get bonuses
like 1600 now
next reset 1651
that means he got 1 bonus so it can be a sandbagger
reset after that 1702 or more = 100% sandbagger pretty much
static gull
only one thing i am afraid of now. It's lack of 1700 scores whatsoever, just 1650-1675
zenith tundra
are u on sandy?
zenith tundra
i haven't seen 1 improvement in pvp yet
hot creek
its fine for what it is. but perhaps some kind of qol for people who live in EU and other timezones would be nice.
static gull
i'd like to get ships or blueprints from pvp, why not
hot creek
yeah an updated pvp shop would be great.
static gull
south dakota and eldrige were in shop for so long time
zenith tundra
people have suggested improvements for merit shop but still nothing happened
static gull
is this problem relevant for cn/jp also?
zenith tundra
the merit shop in jp is the same as en
dunno if people care as much in jp since i cannot read chat
ripe latch
better to see ttx new eagle ships... 
forest lake
Reno looking like she gonna be Sandy No.2 
ripe latch
2 sandy's
AA meta
forest lake
She was built specifically for AA duty irl iirc
zenith tundra
there are barely any cv on defense that are meta. even sandy is actually useless in pvp
zenith tundra
if enty with invincibility and double dmg isn't meta then no other carrier is (hiryuu's skill is the only skill more broken then enty's and even hiryuu doesn't do that well without nagato)
i don't think any normal cv will ever shift meta to cv oriented
only a dr cv could
forest lake
just hope she has an extremely broken skill
zenith tundra
just look at shangri-la and bunker hill and how much less useful they can be in pvp compared to essex
not expecting anything pvp wise from intrepid
frail orbit
Thing is
CV mostly cucked by Wakai and her HMS lassies
Also by Juneau
Dem planes are easily striked
But not BBs shot
forest lake
Never meant to say CVs are great
Just hoping that Intrepid could be pvp meta
Just to spice things up a little
zenith tundra
・ Added a "Rotate" button that can display illustrations on the full screen in the vertical direction in the picture book → ship performance screen
cool
karmic forum
No idea what ship performance screen means