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eager cedar
ripe latch
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maybe add fdg to googledocs? BoxSpite

zenith tundra
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i'll add her by next month. there is no reason to put her in too early since before dev 25 she isn't really better then other stuff

fierce horizon
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where i can see tier list for pvp?

zenith tundra
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check pins

fierce horizon
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nice . ty ๐Ÿ˜„

ripe latch
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@zenith tundra can u say equip for her?

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start farm

zenith tundra
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fdg?

ripe latch
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yea

zenith tundra
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ideally she wants 457 if u don't use ws, if u use ws triple 381. seattle gun and staag as pretty much anyone and for aux sg and rudder. double sg is viable at dev 30 but she is no longer a tank just pure dmg

ripe latch
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ty FDGBlush

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but ihr and sg better or trash?

ripe latch
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@zenith tundra

elder crane
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He just said he prefers IHR+Rudder....

ripe latch
shell heron
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a r23 is still not enough for +1

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@charred sable are you able to move anymore

charred sable
shell heron
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damn it shouHMM

buoyant parrot
ripe latch
past egret
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@ripe latch Nawi usually pushes

ripe latch
glossy meteor
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hello i need help for the betterment at the pvps

forest lake
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Git gud

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Or check pins for a rough tier and equipment guide

glossy meteor
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ok

forest lake
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If your pve team isn't really optimized I suggest just investing in your pve team and recycle it as a pvp fleet

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Until you can start going all out on pvp

glossy meteor
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im in captain rank

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at 2573 and want to advance

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4 out of 6 are lvl 120 one of the none lvl 120 is retro warspit

zenith tundra
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do u need a better team or just want to get more points?

glossy meteor
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more points

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i mean lvl 120 enty and zuikako works well enought

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i could prop max out equips for pvp tho

forest lake
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Just optimize optimal pve gear and you're mostly fine

glossy meteor
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ok thank you

zenith tundra
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then u always need to attack higher ranked opponents because attacking lower ranked ones gives less points then base. leftmost is almost guaranteed higher rank unless u top 100

forest lake
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Leaving battle doesn't count as a lost if you didn't know already btw

glossy meteor
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really

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also is eugen and belfast good in van

zenith tundra
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meta speaking belfast is ok but eugen not really. levels are more important tho

glossy meteor
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eugen is my heighest at 116 the rest are pretty high tho

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laffy at 120

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is saint louis good only lv 81 rn

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lv 3 fate sim

zenith tundra
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u can check tier list in pins. it has good ships for both backlines and vg to use and comps. saint louis is ok but she really needs 110+ for evasion

glossy meteor
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ok i have the sheet open thank you guys tho

shy hazel
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zack u transmitted msg about eugen wrong

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she is garbage in pvp

zenith tundra
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well garbage or not garbage if she is higher level u still use her

hot creek
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oh shit. I think I may have forgotten to buy the furniture.

coral wren
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just make sure to buy extra jail cell bars uwu

elder crane
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Yeah, levels are a huge deal in PvP
Being down just 5 levels average on team can turn a 90% winning matchup into a coinflip

buoyant parrot
ripe latch
tough dirge
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wgat heck

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sometime I want to get top 100 at least

hazy rain
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what ship is KFC?

tough dirge
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right now I deranked so much because i didnt have time at all

ionic magnet
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kfc aka chicken fleet

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y u dont know that

ripe latch
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typical fleet kiro UniSip

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10k points , damn

upper sparrow
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dont troll plz UniSip @tough dirge

whole terrace
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No one actually answered them??

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@hazy rain King George V, Formidable and Centaur

tough dirge
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troll who

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I troll no one

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you deceived your own

zenith tundra
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troll or not that pic has nothing to do with pvp tbh

past egret
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But this is pvp-offtopic2-superiorgamehelp

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@zenith tundra

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The land free of mods YorkSmug

forest lake
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Until he starts pinging

eager cedar
shy hazel
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its kind of funny

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apologems

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50

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last time they at least gave 100

forest lake
zenith tundra
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i got 200 apologems lol

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not sure why tho

ripe latch
zenith tundra
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i haven't touched al at all so idk what is happening

elder crane
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Apparently there was a server bug that randomly rolled back ppl's progress

zenith tundra
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lol

shy hazel
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oh yeah 200 now

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dunno about this rollback stuff tho

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cant rollback anything when im not doing anything

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BuckySmug ..

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mmmm

zenith tundra
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yeah the only things i did after patch are comms research pvp and got ryuujou skin

shy hazel
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i might as well do all rounds now

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i smell emergency maint

zenith tundra
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can the gems be rolled back too? SandyMeme

high bay
coral wren
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wait what rollback

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I still have 5 mising pvp tickets..please rollback more

past egret
midnight heron
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rollback to before event was over so i can pull more

shell heron
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Rollback to the start of Russian event. So I can redo my pulls. UniSip

midnight heron
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btw just wondering do u guys recommend using torp bulge on juneau if noshiro is present

hot creek
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my x3 rainbow gun pulls were roll backed, pls compensate BuckySmug

elder crane
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I do for lead Jun
Means even vs full torpmeme when she decides to munch on every single torpedo, she won't sink
It's really nice to shield for my VH Azuma

shell heron
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I lead junie as well so its nice. She won't sink or get chunked hard on the first torp wave

midnight heron
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ic

shell heron
elder crane
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turns out that sandbaggers end up with similar scores at similar times z35wow

shell heron
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I don't see famine yet

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he'll show up in the next minute

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wait, I don't see famine. did he finally get banned for botting events UniSip

karmic forum
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Maybe Famine missed a few exercises this season

sour oasis
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I can't believe I missed first week of PvP. I'm too far back to even be ๐Ÿ–

karmic forum
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Still at 0 pts?

sour oasis
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About 1850. Stuck in the 1000's. (Not terrible, but unable to AotN unless everyone stops)

vague token
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famine posted like a couple days ago though

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he ate a - match

shell heron
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famine was still 7 points up of me. even one lost match shouldn't drop him off the top 100 ranks

karmic forum
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I'm wondering what would happen if you stayed at 0 points an entire season, and then attacked a very high ranked player and ended the match right after the season reset.

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Would you start the next season with however many points that match gave you?

shell heron
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You need to be lucky enough to start with one of us on your first list

karmic forum
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It happens from time to time

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The bigger problem is that you're throwing all that exp away

shell heron
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I use 120 ships so I don't really get exp

karmic forum
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Also merits

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I use Nagiryuu backline and whatever I'm levelling rn as the vanguard

shell heron
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it's more so for the merits.

shy hazel
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means u sandbag the same rate as me

shell heron
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Did you move again at the end? I refreshed because I'm not waiting til 2AM for you to move

karmic forum
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I can't really sandbag effectively since I'm east coast

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So I just stopped

zenith tundra
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east coast shouldn't be bad for reset times

hot creek
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its pretty bad. 3am 3pm 9pm

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but I guess some other places have it worse

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best place is Hawaii BuckySmug

jagged steppe
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I dont understand

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Ami

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whatmean

shell heron
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Mines is also Ami. Just sounds nice

shy hazel
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3 3 9

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whats so bad about that yabaicorona1

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just skip the 3am one

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and naga isnt cute

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nato is

empty grove
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@shell heron I slept on 4 matches

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Like 3 days ago

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Tried to only sleep for 2 hours, should have just done matches before

shell heron
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Ah UniSip

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I don't trust myself with that

empty grove
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Pretty sure kamui dropped to so look at Kirie

karmic forum
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Wouldn't be a PvP season for me without missing at least 5 matches AkagiLUL

empty grove
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He should be up highest

shell heron
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If I am tired, prob won't wake up to sandbag. Eat that +0 instead

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and dunno. I recognize Galafion or however it's spelled on the list as well

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I forgot is Kirie one of us?

empty grove
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Yeah

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Got 2nd last time

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Was like 4 ahead of me before I dropped

shell heron
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Noted UniSip

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another sandbagger to refresh on

split socket
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don't u hate it when u think no one on ur list is going to climb and u refresh, half an hour later u check and one of those is in the top 10 and would've given u +2 extra points UniYan

shell heron
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We don't push until the last 10 minutes

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I won't wait on us

upper sparrow
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@split socket you just not lucky then AkagiLUL

split socket
shell heron
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uh...okay

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I didn't notice my last match was a +9

empty grove
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I wonder if the game will fuck up on reset

hot creek
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why would it?

empty grove
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Why did comms start an hour later but persist with the hour prior timer & the actual nightly small/med is 1 hour more than it should be

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Answer?

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๐Ÿ

zenith tundra
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did they change night commission time? there was a change in jp so they started 1 hr earlier maybe they fucked up something

empty grove
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Can you show your night comms?

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Unless you took all 4

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Cause it's actually funny to me

zenith tundra
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i'm on jp i have to wait another 5hrs lol

empty grove
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I'll show you in a sec

zenith tundra
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  1. Moved forward the start time of night commissions by 1 hour, from 22:00 to 21:00 JST.
    New night commission time limit is 21:00 - 3:00 JST.
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this is jp patchnotes

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does the timing match at all in en time?

charred sable
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Did a lot of people miss attacks cause of maintenance?

empty grove
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Nah

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EN is scuffed

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You notice this?

vague token
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im pretty sure i saw a patch note saying they moved nightlies

empty grove
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Pay attention to level & timer

vague token
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i forget which way though

empty grove
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They moved the time they started

forest lake
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Wait it gives more coins

empty grove
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Not the time limit of the commission

forest lake
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Not complaining

split socket
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patch notes said 1h earlier, but instead they pushed it 1h later lol

zenith tundra
vague token
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also that medium merchant lol

empty grove
vague token
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added one hour but it upgraded the rewards?

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i guess?

split socket
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how much gold was it previously?

empty grove
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Looks the same to me

vague token
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ill double check mine xD

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i cant remember

empty grove
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Maybe not

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All I saw is the timer

vague token
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yeah i guess the rewards arent fixed but are actually scaled based on the time

empty grove
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I don't pay attention to gold since it's always min anyway

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Scaling makes sense since

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That's large

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So damn weird

vague token
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i guess if you added 2 hours to medium it would be 350-660

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that's probably right

empty grove
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Medium is 6

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It's on 7 now with higher rewards

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8 is 350-660

vague token
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yeah so if you just add 2 to it it scales to Large Mission

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xD

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50 minimum and 100 max per hour or so

empty grove
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Idek wtf is going on anymore

vague token
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with some rounding

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๐Ÿ

empty grove
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5 hour drill

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6 hour cube comm

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It's literally scaled on time

vague token
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that's kinda neat i guess?

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the one time they use a formula

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instead of a table lol

empty grove
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Comms were supposed to end an hour earlier too

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Still the same time

split socket
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in that case it's just a win imo

empty grove
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Wonder if the chance of a book/cube changes with it tho

split socket
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maybe more books / cubes ?

vague token
split socket
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probably not tho :p

empty grove
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I'm still confused how it happens

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But w/e

vague token
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๐Ÿ

zenith tundra
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it's not the 1st time they fucked up

empty grove
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Wont be the last either

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The instant I saw "Time from 10pm - 9pm", I immediately thought "Yeah guess i'll sleep 8 hours tonight"

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Legit every time they fuck with a timer somewhere, it borks the entire game

zenith tundra
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wtf is 10pm-9pm??? 23hr window lol

split socket
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he meant moving timer from 10pm to 9pm (start time)

zenith tundra
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oh

split socket
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also the code for commissions are probably really fucked up. Since the reason they don't implement individual timezones are not because they don't want to, but because it's "technically impossible".

zenith tundra
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resets would be all over the place with individual timezones

vague token
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reset mechanics wouldnt make sense with timezone yeah

split socket
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probably won't work with pvp reset timer, but should be fine for things like night comms

zenith tundra
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what i think they should've done was having some of en servers on eu timezones instead of all na

split socket
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theres no reason whatsoever why that should be hardcoded to a specific time

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that as well

vague token
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to be fair 99% of the game is hard code

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dem level/limit break stat charts lol

zenith tundra
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iirc al was only available to na play store at launch then they added for the rest. new servers after that should've been different timezone since they allowed more people to play it that weren't from na

hot creek
zenith tundra
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lol

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i managed to die while full clearing sp3 with a lvl 81 erebus

hot creek
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I wonder if this shows after a pvp loss as well. its pretty funny tho ngl.

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I was doing sub missions and forgot backlines get reamed by mob subs

zenith tundra
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i'll try it once i try to get top 50. i'm 8 behind anyway

ionic magnet
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yes it shows

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dont ask me how i knew

zenith tundra
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now u know how to improve if u lose in pvp

ionic magnet
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theres no "add juneau"

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๐Ÿšฎ

zenith tundra
smoky elk
midnight heron
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adds lvl 1 juneau and win rate decreases further

valid stirrup
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Hm so yeah, my monarch is dev 30 now

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Mon+warkai+hiryuu or mon+hiryuu+formi for pvp defense

forest lake
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Mon, WarKai, Centaur/Formi

zenith tundra
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would definitely not use 2 cv on defense. hiryuu is still somehow good on defense

valid stirrup
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UniSip mm ok, so formi is out and monarch is gonna take the place of her

forest lake
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Oh defense mutjerry

zenith tundra
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if u have amagi u can try ws monarch amagi defense or qe instead of hiryuu.

valid stirrup
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Lol no namagi

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She seems good to go?

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Will go max out aux when i get the parts

zenith tundra
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u should swap shell for ihr at least for defense purposes

elder crane
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I'd very much take 2 SG on Monarch , or even SG+IHR

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Her hit stat iirc is nothing special, and obviously super low luck

valid stirrup
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I don't think i have ihr?

zenith tundra
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rudder

elder crane
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And having more eva leverages her survivability better

valid stirrup
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Oh

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Me no more have washing machines

zenith tundra
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also make sure ws and monarch focus target for defense. would setup with ws mid monarch top hiryuu bot

hot creek
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hot take, Doy > Monarch

valid stirrup
hot creek
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Doy not so great by herself but on a WS team she's better than Monarch

zenith tundra
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the only way u can put pressure on defense is to try and focus 1 target down early

valid stirrup
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Hm ok

zenith tundra
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unless u want a stalling team then u need completely different ships

valid stirrup
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Eh ok

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So 2 sg on monarch? If lack of rudders

zenith tundra
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yes

hot creek
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Sheffield's still pretty legit tho

zenith tundra
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did u not level her up or u didn't get dido?

hot creek
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Alas, the comp is great if shells hit. But it suffers all the same problems BB comps have thanks to Amagi's dreaded existence.

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Didn't get her

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but I probably wouldve been too lazy level her to 120 . At least thats what I tell myself Omegalilwoo

zenith tundra
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last event couldn't level shit due to sirens being too strong in d3

hot creek
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yeah i tried leveling mogami and gave up lol

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just swapped to phoenix AkashiSleep

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but hey at least I got some Seattle unlocking xp

zenith tundra
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i finished portland lvl 120 since i used sara as backline. taihou was too low level to handle d3

upper sparrow
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i wonder why 381mm/406 skc BiS on nagato and suruga? their barrage is timed not depend on salvo right?

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not like hood or monarch

zenith tundra
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twin 381 and twin 406 are not bis for suruga

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nagato barrage tho is gun based not timed

upper sparrow
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oh what, i have misconception here NagaShock

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what is the most optimal gun suruga then beside twin457 @zenith tundra

zenith tundra
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triple 381 or mk6

upper sparrow
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oh well sorry for my phrasing before, 381mm i mention mean triple381/monarch gun not hood gun PortDoll

zenith tundra
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triple 381 is good on her due to fp boost for barrage and faster timing then mk6

upper sparrow
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is her barrage affected by fp?

zenith tundra
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bb barrages are affected by fp

upper sparrow
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fuck it, kiro use 406skc on her so i though it her BiS PortDoll

zenith tundra
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i can see someone using that it's just not better unless u want specific timings

upper sparrow
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ehh, i use her with warkai and centaur, soo idk i think timing is not that urgent for me maybe Thinkpitz

zenith tundra
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u generally don't want bb to shoot at the same time because if the target dies it can lead to 1-2 salvos hitting open water

upper sparrow
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if a ship with spesific buff skill dies (like QE, dido, etc.), does the buff effect will vanish in battle?

zenith tundra
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buffs like qe and nagato usually don't disappear. the ones that do say "while alive"

upper sparrow
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ohh okay thx zack zWave

safe meteor
zenith tundra
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spamming cubes

safe meteor
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that the best way to get blueprints?

zenith tundra
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yes

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/research

strange moatBOT
zenith tundra
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u can check the tier list

midnight heron
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damn game is so bloody full of shit sometimes

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use 3 he guns on backline: backline keeps getting burned
change 1 gun to ap gun: suddenly they stop getting burns

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definitely not some bs rng going on

zenith tundra
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just usual bb stuff

charred sable
upbeat hollow
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i cant decide if i wanna try a few ideas out in pvp or just go cookie cutter/standard ships ๐Ÿค”

vague token
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why bother with meta, it's so boring xD

upbeat hollow
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yea thats another good point

ionic magnet
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just do both

hot creek
forest lake
jagged steppe
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teabagging

zenith tundra
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meta is just as boring as any other comp unless u like resetting in which case non meta comps are way more fun

hot creek
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theres a certain satisfaction in beating meta comps with non-meta comps.

zenith tundra
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might be but if u have to reset i don't think it's actually fun

forest lake
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I enjoy resetting actually

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Cuz it makes me play the game more

zenith tundra
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i like testing but having to reset when i just want to do my attempts just pisses me off

forest lake
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Nowadays I just come into game and pvp
Don't really sandbag much too so I usually just do my matches 1 hour before +5 tix so I won't forget later

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And resetting gets p fun since I get to theory craft and make some new meme fleets

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Literally the only thing keeping me alive in this game

shy hazel
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oops

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overslept

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lost alot of rounds

zenith tundra
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๐Ÿ‡ซ

shy hazel
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y not rly

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im like

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oh okay

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losing interest in the game as a whole

eager cedar
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arent we all

shy hazel
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there are updates but what can i say

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no major improvement or no new gameplay

zenith tundra
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more or less. i'm doing ok since i'm almost done with pr1 fate 5 and that is keeping me interested

shell heron
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I won't mind missing rounds tbh

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I can relax and become food

keen sparrow
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is fun if meme fleet win against meta n still have 40% HP BuckyPride

shy hazel
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what a dumb idea

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ppl should realize that with enuf reset u can win any fight

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with a half assed fleet

zenith tundra
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i'm pretty sure that is what most people do

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ofc not the ones that are usually in this chat

light crystal
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And here I am, only having to reset like 2-3 times per season :v

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And it's not merely just running meta fleets. You can just run PvP-worthy girls and do hybrids that do the job just as well.

midnight heron
keen sparrow
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ncc 1701 MakinaSmug

midnight heron
keen sparrow
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u in my list before if i know im not gonna rush BuckyStare

jagged steppe
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is it bug? I rush and got 11 4 times in a row

keen sparrow
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u lucky 11 x 4 BuckyStare

jagged steppe
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oh I just realize if I run into rank 1 I get 11 instead of 10

upper sparrow
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u are lucky then WarShrug

shy hazel
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@zenith tundra full collection accnt

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wonder how much i can "rent" this stuff for

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im tired of al

zenith tundra
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just take a brake since there is nothing new going on for a while

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even if u don't do commissions research dailies u don't lose that much

forest lake
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Do DM if you manage to 'rent'

upper sparrow
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jean bart is actually fun to use in pvp, the feeling when enemy vanguard get one-shot by her is so damn satisfying GachiHYPER

ripe latch
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1 shot for enemy BoxSpite

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very bad luck

eager cedar
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@forest lake you can try epicnpc, I received a few offers to โ€œrentโ€ my accnt

forest lake
shell heron
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I never seen my vg get 1-shotted. Chunked hard and that's already unlucky

whole terrace
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Hey, i've got a few questions. What are some of the best torpmeme fleets, and are they better with or without Aurora?

ripe latch
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ibuki / yuki / juneau or noshiro

elder crane
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Noshiro has edged out Aurora in torpmemes for the most part now

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Juneau Ibuki Noshiro is sorta legit
Noshiro Ibuki Ykkz is standard torpmemes
Noshiro Aurora Ibuki you can try for maximum torpmemes, but idk about it, at least better than noshiro aya Ibuki probably
And eventually Noshiro Ibuki Azuma also exists

ripe latch
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but i like sendai vs noshiro , 1 flare = kill

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even after fix..

sour oasis
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Once, just once... torp meme missed my vg and 1hko two of my back fleet ships. That was ridiculous and lucky I noticed it to restart

shell heron
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That sounds weird. I think you need to be really unlucky if your ships are leveled

sour oasis
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It was a one time fluke stupid unlucky happening.

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I was just floored Nagato and Amagi immediately died.

charred sable
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Ibuki / Ayanami / Noshiro MutsukiHyperStare

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Go all the way

sterile bluff
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twerpmemes r awesome :v

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twerpmemes all the way

smoky elk
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or Shockbuki /Nanoda /NoshiScare

sterile bluff
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why not ayanami

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ayanami has thiccc twerp stat

forest lake
smoky elk
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Ayaya just launches torp and die, that's all her role

zenith tundra
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i would pick yuki over aya. she does other stuff as well and she can stall opponent vg if things go bad

ionic magnet
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for def, scariest is still aurora+ibuki+jint/noshi/aya

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for atk, you dont use torp memes period

smoky elk
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for atk, use whatever to win

charred sable
shell heron
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Hmmm this looks like my worse season yet without dropped matches

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2583 is my current max score

coral wren
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Why do people use juneau so much?

forest lake
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Heals

coral wren
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Does she heal during the battle or after sinking?

forest lake
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Health in PvP is multiplied by 0.9 + 0.012 * level

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After

coral wren
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Like, if she heals after sinking why not just use another weak ship to carry the pearl?

forest lake
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You can calc the amount of HP with the above formula and notice that the max HP of ships are greatly inscresed

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Hey wait a minute that HP formula seems a little off

zenith tundra
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voutside of azuma most of ur damage comes from backlines so u want to keep them alive as long as possible. recovering hp on backlines becomes more important then whatever most vg ships can do

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i tested that hp formula myself and it's correct

forest lake
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Oh ok I derped a little there

zenith tundra
#

i thought he meant the one in the pins

shell heron
#

Normally that is what you should do. Put pearl on another VG

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But when your other options is now undying Nanoda or extra tanky Noshiro. Might as well keep it on Juneau

zenith tundra
#

azuma also forces it on juneau

midnight heron
#

my 117 noshiro isnt tanky MonarchMad

vague token
#

i generally find noshiro benefits a lot from rudder

zenith tundra
#

i haven't seen 1 noshiro on defense in jp that was actually as tanky as yuki or azuma

vague token
#

xD

midnight heron
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but why rudder when she has increased eva rate

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shudnt more hp benefit more

vague token
#

i mean, the evade rate boost is flat so 500 hp + rudder is better

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or boiler

midnight heron
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i just use pearl for now cuz i generally find my backline dont even take dat much dmg when juneau dies so if i stack pearl with her lots of heal gets wasted

shy hazel
#

if u see me in pvp

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thats zack now

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ima hiatus

zenith tundra
#

enjoy ur al break

shell heron
#

alright how much are you getting off zack?

zenith tundra
#

wdym. i'm just playing it for now

shy hazel
#

not lending it

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lending it literally

zenith tundra
#

i hope u come back one day

shell heron
#

Either die a degen or become a loser UniSip

forest lake
buoyant parrot
eager cedar
hot creek
#

will you be feeding us with that account SandyMeme

zenith tundra
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i won't be feeding any sandy player for sure

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i plan on sandbagging but i already struggle not losing attempts on my jp one so who knows

ionic magnet
stable dawn
eager cedar
jagged steppe
static gull
#

Hi shikikans. I have a question, what can be used in main fleet better than warspite+foxes if i don't have amagi and nagato?

shell heron
#

HMS is pretty viable

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Not sure if you have Formidable or Centaur, but plane crashing damage is pretty scary

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There's also a pinned list of possible fleets you can run

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not gonna call it a tier list shouHMM

hot creek
#

i wonder how good warspite foxes is

shell heron
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offense, prob works

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defense. I can safely afk it

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tbh I haven't ran foxes in forever

static gull
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i heard that hiryuu + foxes are good, but not sure that it worth wasting time. I d better wait for rerun event.

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I checked pinned list and... i did know that fomidable is so good in pvp. I have seen fomidable+centaur fleet only once

elder crane
#

Foxes+Warkai I've heard is nice for offense, yeah

static gull
elder crane
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Formidable+Centaur is much better on offense than defense mostly due to plane travel distances
Also cause it's a consistent team (RNG teams do better on defense since offense is expected to win)

charred sable
eager cedar
ripe latch
#

๐Ÿ– BuckySmug

past egret
#

Invest the Cube

eternal bramble
#

whats the pvp tierlist?

zenith tundra
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is in the pins

eternal bramble
#

what do you think? is saint louis better to be the tank or belfast?

zenith tundra
#

belfast is generally better but against aurora saint louis is much better

upper sparrow
#

sanrui is pretty much a bait BuckySmug

vague token
#

personally im not even sold on saint louis vs aurora

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because ijn has so much splash that it isnt like she helps juneau and ykkz live

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while belfast at least can tie on the hit rate debuff vs eva rate debuff

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for the whole vanguard

zenith tundra
#

u mean against torpedo memes?

vague token
#

i mean against anything

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torpedos are worse of course, but hiryuu still hits everywhere

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and nagato hits everywhere

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unless the ai goes perfectly forward

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entire vanguard is gonna be getting hit

zenith tundra
#

against hiryuu tho belfast does nothing

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and she also does nothing against amagi barrages

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saint louis could protect herself against aurora debuff better in those 2 cases

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and so goes for any non akaga cv comps using aurora

elder crane
#

Sanrui DpS also chews up Aurora
Also her limited time on eva buff matters less, since Aurora accelerates fights

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Tbh on offense, using sanrui, I didn't really notice my team doing all that better vs Aurora
On offense using Aurora though, enemy sanrui was pretty noticable in how much longer she survived than most, although winrate didn't really feel all that different in the end either

vague token
#

dps, more like always the wrong angle

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xD

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but belfast's main perk is having 100% chance to help vg sponge the first nagato barrage

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which works much better compared to praying saint louis runs head on into it so she tanks every projectile

zenith tundra
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100% if u stay in smoke and are unlucky

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to get barraged

vague token
#

i mean, most people receive lots of nagato barrages xD

zenith tundra
#

i still don't understand why tf is ryuujou light armor in sp3

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makes no sense

vague token
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because cvl coded as light

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pve mobs are more likely to be generic based on class than who they actually are

zenith tundra
#

why are they medium as ships then

vague token
zenith tundra
#

that's exactly what i mean... makes no sense

vague token
#

welcome to al

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what is consistency

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๐Ÿ

zenith tundra
#

actually spaghetti code might be al consistency

vague token
#

actually is it consistent in pve, where else do we get cvl bosses

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i dont actually know

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is there a shouhou boss somewhere?

zenith tundra
#

there might be around w2-3

vague token
#

imma check wiki

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w2 has aoba and zui

zenith tundra
#

4-3 ryuujou

vague token
#

ill check it out

zenith tundra
vague token
#

big rip

zenith tundra
#

wrong image

vague token
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yep 4-3 is light

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got grey numbers on izumo gun

zenith tundra
#

i wonder if it can be reported as a bug sine usually enemy characters have same armor as the ship version

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i don't see why ryuujou would be different

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actually i think it is because ryuujou enemy was before ryuujou ship was released and was set to be light armor at that time and when the ship version came out they released her as medium armor but didn't change the enemy version armor

shell heron
#

That sounds more like oversight than bug imo smolspiteW

zenith tundra
#

technically is still a bug because the armor don't match

vague token
#

i mean the pve one was first

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xD

zenith tundra
#

i'll try and make a bug report for that and see what happens

shell heron
#

Damn this season sucks, 88 is where I stand now assuming I don't get or lose anymore points

split socket
#

how do u tell what armor enemies use in pve? UnicornFused

vague token
#

use ap gun

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on bb

#

ez

split socket
#

so just dmg numbers, gotcha

zenith tundra
#

when georgia barrage does grey dmg is not medium

vague token
#

or that

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basically if it's bb caliber and shows grey, it's light

split socket
#

never paid attention to that, the more u know o,o

vague token
#

i cant remember if the bcs are medium or heavy

smoky elk
#

bcs are medium

vague token
#

ok

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it's been a while since we fought a bc

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cause they're all like before chapter 5

split socket
#

difference between bc and bb is literally their armor iirc

vague token
#

no i mean in pve

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our ryuujou has medium armor like all other cvls

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pve ryuujou is light

smoky elk
#

PortDoll that's.....ask the dev

zenith tundra
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bc are medium in pve

vague token
#

ok

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oh no i got famine

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refresh time

split socket
vague token
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it showed him as 13

smoky elk
#

well about 1 hr before season-reset

zenith tundra
#

wait i confused en and jp resets lol

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rip me

split socket
#

I missed my opportunity going 90+ by refreshing away 2 person that would've given me +2, also refreshed myself from +9 into +8 SandyCry

forest lake
#

2.56k with low effort sandbag and losses

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Good enuf

zenith tundra
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i managed top 10 with 7 attempts behind so it was a good season SandyMeme

shell heron
#

well time to move before I don't even get my AotN bonus

hot creek
#

refreshed from a +9 into a +8

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and that was my last refresh UniYan

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and game gave me another +8 after that match

shell heron
#

The age of the old gods is over

hot creek
#

its ok, i have been allocating my luck towards research anyways BuckyPride

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and only two points above sagg

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how did this happen to me

zenith tundra
#

-4 in 2 attempts that's how

hot creek
#

how could this happen to me

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ive made my mistakes

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got nowhere to run

split socket
#

holykov will probably take nr 1 I think

hot creek
#

probably. kingston has a chance too.

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but im rooting for my sheep boi furashu to avenge me ๐Ÿ‘

ashen lion
#

-11 EssexCry

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Good bye guys, see you in the next month. zWave

shell heron
#

I'm still in top 10

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for now

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5 more minutes

zenith tundra
#

top 10 for sure cay

hot creek
split socket
empty grove
#

The only true god of pvp is the god of sleep

split socket
#

dayum

empty grove
shell heron
#

I stayed top 10

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but the age of the old gods is over

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new blood coming in

empty grove
#

The top 2 are pretty old tho

zenith tundra
#

sumire has been playing forever tho

hot creek
#

he was three points below holykov before the reset and somehow ended up three points above BuckyPride

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rip holykov. unlucky

shell heron
#

We still have some old players here but I see some new ones

split socket
#

probably lucked out and got someone in top 3 climbing ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

empty grove
#

I blame AK

split socket
#

I did mine way too early, I got top 3 on my list twice but that wasn't even enough for +11

shell heron
#

although no 2600+ this time UniSip

empty grove
#

Legit me, kamui & kirie all dropped

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All dropped like 4 matches

zenith tundra
ashen lion
#

Nah man, i got -11 pts.

zenith tundra
#

+33

shell heron
#

what kind of voodoo magic did you cast on them?

hot creek
#

ask xy for voo doo services

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except he's gone EssexCry

ashen lion
#

2588 + 11 = 2599, im the true r1 here DunktsukiStare

hot creek
#

don't delude yourself BuckySmug

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theres always next season

shy hazel
#

oya zack

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tell me if got monthly pack

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ill buy that at least

#

for the inevitable rings

zenith tundra
#

there are still 10 days left on this

shy hazel
cerulean estuary
zenith tundra
#

gratz on rank 2 @cerulean estuary

cerulean estuary
#

@zenith tundra im on 2nd place though , gaf manage to score / finish first PrinzDealWithIt

zenith tundra
#

ok why did i remember it bad... sorry

cerulean estuary
#

no problem here , im still balancing sleep and sandbagging

shy hazel
#

oh scores were that low

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if i didnt oversleep zack wouldve gotten at least r3

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if u din get the time wrong too

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lol

zenith tundra
#

i would've got fucked by bad rng. wasted 5 refreshes at r 40s and no one above me....

safe meteor
#

where you raise affection for Azuma and FdG?

zenith tundra
#

u should raise that when u level them

safe meteor
#

ive been mostly using em in pvp sandbag, dorm and commission, so i wonder how to efficiently grind affection to 200

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im at 123 affection for FdG, that oil cost....

zenith tundra
#

if u want to be effcient something like w6-7 where u can use a lb0 ship in back/front for 1:1

safe meteor
#

ok

zenith tundra
#

erebus azuma and fdg 1-2 mahns should do it

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erebus and mahns lb0

safe meteor
#

are they strictly pvp ships?

zenith tundra
#

low cost ships

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if u want to be fast u can also do 1-1 with the ambush spot but u get literally 0 out of that, it just becomes a waste of oil

safe meteor
#

yea, was hoping to bring em in like world 12 and grind their affection to 200

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that they could do the work of 1 1/2 ships

zenith tundra
#

fdg is usable and can carry in w11 for sure

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for azuma might be harder to get mvp in higher worlds ar low dev levels

safe meteor
#

i see

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i got her dev15 now

zenith tundra
#

that's kind of low for stealing mvp over backlines

safe meteor
#

yea, so i still at 90 affection for her now

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still no real idea how to get her affection to 200 for pvp

zenith tundra
#

my dev 19 lvl 115 azuma sometimes loses mvp over lvl 85 langley in sp3

safe meteor
#

do you use cubes for research a lot? seems like a lot have PR2 ships at high dev lvl now

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i pick up those gold research for FdG or Azuma when i see em, want to get them ready for pvp asap

zenith tundra
#

on my jp account i used cubes in the last 2 months before finishing dev30 but only because i was sitting on 400+ consistently

safe meteor
#

but im only at dev15 Azuma dev 18 FdG

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i see

zenith tundra
#

it speeds up quite a bit but i would never do it if i didn't have enough cubes to pull events

safe meteor
#

yea, i am worried i get bad rng somewhere

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i think i spend like 400 cubes on Bismarck, got like 11x Warspite

zenith tundra
#

last event was 320 cubes for rossiya so i'm pretty sure never gonna go under 300 for research ever

safe meteor
#

so i ve been hoarding cubes

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oof

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ah also, after i got Bismarck, i was so dry on cubes that i had to few pulls to get Baltimore

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and right after that, i think thats when you could pull for Essex and Taihou

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so im hoarding cubes a lot

zenith tundra
#

en schedule sucks. i feel like jp is a lot more relaxed compared to en

karmic forum
#

Aren't JP players bored out of their minds waiting for content?

zenith tundra
#

sometimes tho it gets really boring like before north event there were 3 weeks without nothing so it kind of sucked too

safe meteor
#

i was pretty content with the two large events back-to-back

#

ah so when you expect to have FdG and Azuma being used more in pvp teams?

zenith tundra
#

it gets boring but i don't think i could play enough to farm 2 event back to back. like i farmed 80k in north event and now barely managed to get to 10k for ryuujou

safe meteor
#

still havent seem them yet in a serious team

karmic forum
#

Probably will be a lot more widespread in 3 months or so

safe meteor
#

can we compete without our own?

karmic forum
#

The rushers will have them to dev 30 and most other people will have them to 25 or something

zenith tundra
#

dev 15 azuma is passable on offense. dev 20 she is best vg for nagato teams. dev 25 she is good even on defense and dev 30 she can carry pretty much

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i would say another 1-2 months till people get her to dev 20/25 and she should spread a lot

safe meteor
#

like if i bring
Warspite kai, Formidable, Centaur, Yukikaze, Saintlouis/Noshiro and Juneau,

can that compete vs like
Nagato Amagi, FdG, Juneau, Azuma Yukikaze?

zenith tundra
#

fdg is another story. even in top teams she is not really better then other stuff even at dev 25

safe meteor
#

and dev30?

zenith tundra
#

dev 30 she is good. amazing tank but she kind of struggles if she has to carry

safe meteor
#

ok, so the problem gonna be Azuma

karmic forum
#

She only gets her last MGM at dev30 which is a big deal

zenith tundra
#

i lost using wfc against a namagi fdg last season

safe meteor
#

any good counter teams for it? maybe like a torp comp?

zenith tundra
#

dunno if i screwed up something but it was a loss

safe meteor
#

how does FdG barrage fare against vanguards?

#

also, if its Namagi, i guess Nagato got her Big 7 off a few times

zenith tundra
#

it does some dmg but not much. her barrage is manly to set fires on opponents backlines very early

#

imo best team with maxed fdg and azuma is ws amagi fdg azuma yukikaze juneau. when i used that no team on defense managed to kill 2 of my backlines unless i mispositioned amagi

safe meteor
#

so 3x IJN fine to bring for Amagi?

#

i only see Amagi, Yuki and Azuma,

zenith tundra
#

amagi is there for the defensive buffs

safe meteor
#

i see

zenith tundra
#

fdg is the tank

#

and ws just kills everything with 457

safe meteor
#

and warkai to wreck the backline

#

ah yep

#

457? which gun is that?

zenith tundra
#

the pr rainbow one

safe meteor
#

i see

#

how far you with that gun ?

#

that gonna be her best gun in pvp?

#

im at 18/50

zenith tundra
#

in jp i got 1 and another 8/50 on my 2nd that will never happen

#

definitely ws is the best 457 user in the game

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since her barrage forces shoots on backlines

safe meteor
#

yea thats what i thought

#

whats gonna be best gun for FdG in that comp?

zenith tundra
#

it's more consistent then fdg using it since sometimes u cannot kill vg fast enough before even her 2nd cd

#

u have to use triple 381 pretty much

#

any twin gun would end up overlapping too much with twin 381 on amagi and 457

safe meteor
#

triple 381 better than the good 'ol 406 mk6?

zenith tundra
#

her barrage does actual dmg and it's better for the fire

safe meteor
#

alright

#

also her skill changes her reload time

#

so i guess that gun should give no overlaps with Amagi and Warkai?

zenith tundra
#

it still does a little bit but there are no other options

safe meteor
#

so against Azuma, you got a good counter team for it?

#

(brb)

zenith tundra
#

i really haven't tried anything special against azuma since i always use yukikaze juneau azuma myself and most of the time u just easily win. sometimes u just get stalled to almost infinity tho

zenith tundra
safe meteor
#

its good to eat now right?

zenith tundra
#

it would be an ok bonus

#

but i'll wait for end of next reset to attack since i'm at 1/10

#

maybe someone will rush more then that

safe meteor
#

i ate 3 so far

#

ate a rank 4 somewhere, so thats nice

zenith tundra
#

i used most of my attempts at the start of the season because next reset i will wake up by the end of it

safe meteor
#

do you always start with 1 good to eat with each reset?

zenith tundra
#

u usually have to wait for people to rush after reset

#

start of season is easier to get rushers in list

safe meteor
#

yea but, if i hold 10, im usually too low rank to even get to the rushers

zenith tundra
#

that's true but u also get more bonuses if u find someone that uses all 10

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plus eventually ur bonuses will catch up with most rushers till u end up ahead even at 10/10

safe meteor
#

i try to spread them out a bit

#

so right after reset, i should wait a bit for them to rush?

zenith tundra
#

it's not necessarily about spreading them out then waiting for people in ur list to use attempts

safe meteor
#

i usually dont feel comfortable to keep 10, wanting to use 5 of em before the next one

zenith tundra
#

i usually login 1 min after start of season reset and check my pvp list. there usually is a guy there that is rushing and i wait for him to use all 5 attempts to attack

safe meteor
#

what if you dont get a rusher in those 4?

zenith tundra
#

if u login 1 min in most rusher only had time for 1 attempt. for as long as i tried this strat it always worked

safe meteor
#

alright

zenith tundra
#

if u check list later like 1hr after reset u will get people in list that like u didn't move at all and are close to ur rank all at 0 pts

#

at that point u just wait for someone to move which might not even happen if all the people in ur list do not play pvp or aren't playing al

frail orbit
#

Anyway zack, aint FDG kinda want shelling dmg tho on her part? Since she aint only a barrager too smhw. So perhaps good ol mk6?

Also if no 2 HPFCR like all JP EN do currently where to place it anyway? FDG/Wakai/Magi?

#

Usually we'd like to place it on Wakai in Wakai based strat for early kill but Magi and FDG kinda wants it too . . .

elder crane
#

FdG barrage isn't tied to main guns

frail orbit
#

Yea ikr but still for her shelling tho

#

Not her barrage

forest lake
#

146 start

shell heron
#

I forgot to check the levels of the people on my list

#

no way they're gonna move

#

also 146 start

#

time to get screwed by dead resets from now on

zenith tundra
#

149 start for me. somehow saved the season by waking up without alarm 5min before reset lol

#

while i do agree that fdg shelling is top tier is still is shelling and it still sucks in pvp without it being aimed at backlines. if opponent vg doesn't die for 1min shelling can hit only water.
ws will always take hsfcr with 457.

vague token
#

i love it when i catch shells and enemy vg doesnt

#

sometimes i feel like the longer defense distance makes you more likely to catch

tough dirge
#

bro i havent seen anyone ranking live

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for 4 days

#

never ever sb

zenith tundra
#

weird i saw plenty of people doing pvp attempts in my list

polar wren
#

Hello, I was directed here from the help chat because i had pvp questions. So I am playing, and so far since the reset i am 15-0, and that put me 10 points behind the leader. I always make sure to play against someone of higher rank than me so i dont get a penalty for playing a lower rank, and everyone should have had the same amount of plays at this point, so I dont understand how people had the opportunity to have more points. I am pretty new to pvp and I dont really understand the scoring system.

zenith tundra
#

there is a bonus point system based of the difference in score and rank between u and the opponent u attack. the higher the difference in score and rank the more bonus points u get

shy hazel
#

try to do what i did zack

#

use auto launch to auto open azurlane app

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then put alarm

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you gotta root your device tho

zenith tundra
#

might do that but it won't work if i'm too sleepy

shy hazel
#

we call it sandbagging

polar wren
#

So I need to find the largest spread between me and my opponent? Does this mean i need to wait a while in between battles to let myself fall in ranking for i go?

shy hazel
#

its basically camping and waiting for others to move

#

theres the element of rng but well

#

if u know what u doing it can be

#

equalized

zenith tundra
#

yes u want to waif for opponents in ur list to use their attempts before attacking them

polar wren
#

i see.

#

So if you get to the point where your options are to do a battle you cant win or battle with someone of lower rank, what is the better choice

zenith tundra
#

refresh?

polar wren
#

right, so 2 questions. Is there a penalty for refreshing? and what if you are out of refreshes?

zenith tundra
#

no penalty u are just limited to 5 refreshes per day

hot creek
#

if you've already used up all your opponent refreshes then definitely battle someone you can beat even if they're lower ranked

upper sparrow
#

no, there is no penalty, and well when you out of refresh, u cant refresh EntyHeh

polar wren
#

no i know that i mean, if you are out, then which is the better option

#

but that makes sense

#

what is the penalty for battling a lower ranked opponent, how does it work?

zenith tundra
#

but refreshing opponent after too much time passed from when u last attack u might just refresh into a list full of people that already used all their attempts and won't move anymore

upper sparrow
#

beat someone rank lower than you still much better than missing ur attempt

zenith tundra
#

fighting lower rank opponents just gives less points then base amount. is like a negative bonus

polar wren
#

I see

upper sparrow
#

if ur enemy -35 point lower than you, you get -1 point, like that

zenith tundra
#

not sure about the point amount for -1 but the 35 point difference applies only to captain + rank so when ur score is over 1050

polar wren
#

I have looked around and stuff, but cant find one. is there like a PvP guide online anywhere?

#

i found a PvP meta list, but thats about it

zenith tundra
#

what type of guide u mean?

polar wren
#

i mean that just explains all this type of thing

#

the questions ive asked and anything else i might need to know that i dont know to ask

zenith tundra
#

don't think anyone made a sandbagging guide yet

upper sparrow
#

not sure about the point amount for -1 but the 35 point difference applies only to captain + rank so when ur score is over 1050

how about rank below captain then? MutsukiStare

zenith tundra
#

it's complicated to find out for ranks below captain because is hard to find opponents u know the actual score of

#

but is generally less points needed for bonuses

#

like at 0 points is when u get bonuses more easily while after 1050 is the hardest

jagged steppe
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i'd like to read sanbag guide

zenith tundra
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some people wanted to do one myself included but if it didn't happen 1 year ago i don't think it will happen now

hot creek
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everything you need can be found on the wiki https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Pvp

Azur Lane Wiki
Pvp

Exercises, sometimes called Operations, Mock Battles or PvP Battles, are the portion of the game where the player's fleet is pitted against a fleet constructed by another player, with the goal to accumulate Merit and progress in Rank. Note that the attacking fleet will get a ...

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which is why i never really ended up making a guide

polar wren
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I read that tho, and it didnt answer any of the questions i asked here

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thats why i came and asked

zenith tundra
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if u have any pvp questions ask here

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is why this channel exist

hot creek
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it does mention camping/sandbagging for bonus points but I guess the explanation is a little convoluted

polar wren
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I was lookin at the tier list, and its pretty much FILLED with event ships that i cant get

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there is not a single team comp on the list that i looked at that i can actually create

jagged steppe
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welcome to azur lane

zenith tundra
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that's devs fault for making most good ships event locked

jagged steppe
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just use enterprise and restart

polar wren
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right now i am using Warspite/Hood/Sara

hot creek
zenith tundra
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hiryuu is also good in pvp without being event locked

polar wren
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Yea i saw that. I am working on leveling her now

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but you know its a slow go once you hit 100

hot creek
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maybe I could write a quick/abridged guide

polar wren
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I also am trying to level Juneau, as i can see that the rule is just dont pvp without her

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she is in like 95% of the team comps on this list

zenith tundra
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she is very important due to her heal and backlines being much better for dmg then vg

polar wren
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its very much seems liek a stall game

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like the entire thing im doing is just stalling until Warspite can put it away

hot creek
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matches are often determined on whether who's juneau sinks in the most timeliest manner.

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and sometimes you get unlucky with your own juneau dying too quick

zenith tundra
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how did i find 4 people moving in 1 hr

polar wren
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So is it okay to run Juneau if she is slightly underleveled since her entire purpose is to die

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obviously if you put her in too low of level she will die to soon

zenith tundra
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slightly underleveled yes, anything under 105-110 is not worth tho

polar wren
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well thats about what i had in mind

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mine is not quite there yet

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but i was thinkin between 105 and 110

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i dont have a full team of 120 yet, but my back line is real close.

zenith tundra
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levels help a lot making fights easier

polar wren
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Warspite is 120 and Hood is 119 but Sara is only 114

keen sparrow
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34 n the rest is 25 bad start UniSip
damit rng give me bad list

zenith tundra
eager cedar
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142 for first 5

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avg start

keen sparrow
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not even 110 at frst start UniHurt
i just going rush then off enjoy the food MakinaSmug

karmic forum
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I always seem to have better luck with my next 5 rather than my first 5

keen sparrow
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my luck gone coz got 2ssr in 10roll
my luck still cd Nanoda

frail orbit
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Ahh well the fooken well known problem of FDG needs a glasses again keks

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So barrage focusing eh

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Mongun then

zenith tundra
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jp news
In the next update, Fast Forward mode will be added to Chapter 1-12 normal mode stages, which disables airstrikes and ambushes and allows you to skip the pre-battle confirmation screen.

As reminder, Fast Forward mode is unlocked by obtaining 3 stars and reaching Safe danger level on the stage.

karmic forum
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Its a really good QoL change

zenith tundra
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ambushes were such a pain in the ass

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plus fleet lock. easy farm from now on

eager cedar
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why not w13

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might as well

zenith tundra
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people who farm w13 need to suffer lol

hot creek
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what is fleet lock

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if its the same "fleet lock" im familiar with as KC then im excited

zenith tundra
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the thing u activate in event maps that lets u skip screen before battle that shows formation

hot creek
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odd to call such a thing that

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but ok

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nice qol change I guess

zenith tundra
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didn't u use it in event maps or story hm maps?

hot creek
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its already been implemented?

zenith tundra
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fleet lock was in last event for sure. i think it was implemented like a while ago

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don't have hm attempts on en but it's called fleet lock

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in jp was implemented at the beginning of february so i would guess was same for en

jagged steppe
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it already implement but people dont clear and threat0

zenith tundra
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hm w9 has been up for forever tho. i would expect people to have at least 1-2 maps at safe level

karmic forum
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The only two I'll ever need are 7-2 and 12-4

zenith tundra
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i farm 9-4 more then anything else. it's an easy 1:1 for ships around lvl 100

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don't want to bother with 12-4 because i don't care about leveling too many ships at once and also waste oil on AA specific ships

karmic forum
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1:1 is too slow for me now

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I usually do 1:3 at 12-4 with random assortments of ships and just retreat when things are looking bad

zenith tundra
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if i want to level up dido and qe not gonna go to w12 and be forced to waste oil on an ar ship or some other cv just for aa

karmic forum
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Never do the boss except for this event

shy hazel
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they should just give up

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and do skip tickets

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heh

zenith tundra
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why?

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u do maps to farm xp

vague token
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i mean skip tickets arent a terrible idea, other gachas do them

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if you want just the material rewards/drops

zenith tundra
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outside of general aux plates i don't see why u would farm anything past a certain point

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u just do maps for xp

hot creek
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I just opened 154 gold Eagle tech packs and 2 rainbow ones and not a single Hellcat dropped.

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Guess I'll just have to live with the four I currently have. Wish I coulda just had one more though.

jagged steppe
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yo

hot creek
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Anyone know whats the next best fighter for w13?

jagged steppe
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I stillonly have one gold berracuda

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8 seafang

high bay
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its just gold hellcat, gold seafang, and the purple corsair

zenith tundra
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vf-17 should be 2nd in AA of the 2x500lb bombs ones

eager cedar
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am i really going to go +0 this reset

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ill just be food this season

elder crane
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VF-17's own AA ability is actually kinda poor, more like seafang levels, but the +10% AA on launch skill is quite nice for some fleets
Next best after Me155 and Hellcat should be the seafury, which arguably might be even as good as Hellcat on plane AA

vague token
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i keep getting people who have actual teams that push for some reason

elder crane
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Then probably seafang is still better than reppu, though idk at that point

vague token
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reppuu too fast

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doesnt linger on screen to shoot aa guns

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=/

elder crane
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The burst is higher though, which is better for killing planes and when the screen isn't full of them

vague token
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if only fulmar was a fighter

elder crane
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Ofc ch13 the screen will be

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F4U AA guns are very mediocre
Idk if even better than seafang/reppu

vague token
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im sorting by aa dps and this table is a meme lol

zenith tundra
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why tf wiki has vf-17 as better aa dps the sea fury?

vague token
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MEME isnt even best aa fighter

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bf-109 is highest dps