pvp

[eager cedar]

[elder crane]

@plain carbon
457 best BBAP gun by far
Good enough to run at least one in 3BB, or even arguably 2BB teams that don't have warkai
Ofc, you're looking at another month and a half before the first people start getting their first copy, with another month or two for the rest

[tough dirge]

im rank 3k and gonna beat some rank 117

do i get my sandbag certificate

[forest lake]

[vague token]

man i cant see chapayev being better than dido, these cn tier lists are weird

[sterile bluff]

chap is like upgraded monty basically

[vague token]

i get that

i wouldnt put that over dido

dido gets like 2 fp mods and 3 aa mods

and crazy barrage with dd gun

[karmic forum]

While we're on the topic doesn't rossi seem a bit high as well?

[vague token]

i think her barrage is good enough to be on par with monarch's for damage and the slow is better?

her durability is worse obviously for clearing

although i guess they are using her on boss

cause of her limitation to stat buffs

i dunno

easily better than littorio though

rip pasta

[hot creek]

Ill probably have dev 30 fdg and azuma long before rainbow gun. but who knows, I guess.

[vague token]

i think that's most of us

[hot creek]

I go weeks without getting a single print but then randomly Ill get like 3 in a single day.

[vague token]

im at like 12/50

[coral wren]

tfw me and 4 other people all just lost pvps

typical day in sandy server where i forget to move and so do all 4 of my targets

[elder crane]

Rossiya is T0 on CN tierlist since Monarch is tier EX
If you drop Monarch to T0, Rossiya falls too
Also Chappy has more overall barrage+gunpower than Dido, and better survivability
Dido gets some more AA, and some merely meme team buffs (in that the targets she buffs barely/don't even reach her own tier)

For all of her FP mods and DD gun etc. Dido is still not MGM+1

[vague token]

is mgm+1 cl gun better than having destroyer gun access?

like with the new dd gun im pretty sure it's worse on light/medium

maybe not light depending on ammo

oh well ill let someone else math xD

[elder crane]

Base DpS of twin 130 mm on light/med/heavy:
52.33, 28.78, 13.08
Base DpS of 138 mm:
48.06, 24.03, 24.03
Base DpS of Seattle gun:
37.03, 28.09, 19.16

on light, it's roughly ~40% increase to have DD gun
roughly same (for twin 130) or worse (138) DpS on medium

[vague token]

oh ok mgm+1 cl takes lead then

minus barrage speed i guess

[elder crane]

Chappy actually barrages faster too

Dido takes 10 shots to proc barrage like MGM+1 CLs

rather than 8

and 138/ twin 130 are not twice as fast as Seattlegun

though I should list the single 130, right, Dido probably wants that gun

[vague token]

mle is i think?

seattle is base 3.27

mle base 1.6

[elder crane]

don't forget VT and absCD

[vague token]

you get double volley time on seattle mgm+1 though

[elder crane]

with single 130, the barrage does come out slightly faster

no, the two mounts don't stack VT

when mount #2 is firing, mount #1 is already in reload cycle

MGM+1 mounts act exactly like a separate gun, the only difference being the restriction that it cannot fire at the same time as the first gun

[vague token]

i mean they can if vts are long

[elder crane]

reload cycles are completely different

[vague token]

i think that's only like CA and higher though

[elder crane]

VT+abscd is nowhere near as long as load time lol

no, all MGM+1 work like that

[vague token]

azuma with 283 shoots 2nd mount

while firing 1st mount

because its volley time is so long

to shoot the two waves

might be the only instance

[elder crane]

oh, then they must've changed this with the animation fix patch

[vague token]

yeah

cause i was watching some streaming it

[elder crane]

in any case, VT of second gun does not affect first gun

[vague token]

azuma would fire 3 bullets

then 6

xD

[elder crane]

err, that's normal?

[vague token]

is it?

[elder crane]

cause VT ends with the second set of 3

so it's 3-VT-3

stacking two MGM, it's
3-VT-3-3-VT-3
or
3-VT-6-VT-3

[vague token]

[elder crane]

in any case, there's some subtle details, but the VT of a MGM+1 mount is normal

the two mounts don't add their VT or anything

which means that chappy doesn't really barrage any slower than Dido, since Dido barrage takes 10 shots to proc rather than the 8 normal non-MGM+1 CLs get

[vague token]

rip

[elder crane]

iirc chappy gun barrage in damage is pretty comparable to Dido's, but is less focused

chappy also gets her 15 s barrage on top though

[vague token]

yeah

if only it was 100% ignite rate x_X

[elder crane]

Dido's?

[vague token]

no

chappy

[elder crane]

it is 100%

[vague token]

it says chance in description?

mistranslation?

or did they update wiki

[elder crane]

oh lol mistl then
it's 100% to burn

[vague token]

oh they swapped it

[elder crane]

it's great for refreshes

[vague token]

cause i think they used the cn datamine translation

which probably said like chance

ok in game just says inflicts burns we good

might have to bring back dot fleet again

oh right sora had the chance of burn

=/

hermes also 33% chance to use burning bomb

reee

maybe ill run like armor kirishima, saratoga, sora

atago/chapayev/and juneau i guess

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

i heard that rossiya's icicles inflict burning instead of flood or something?

[sterile bluff]

it should be flood

and most ppl r saying its bugged cuz it scales with avi lmao

oh sry i mean like the huge icicles that drop from the sky is flood

and the smaller icicles that fly horizontal penetrate everything and can cause burn

[elder crane]

Yes, the small random icicles are actually just modified and reskinned DDHE

[vague token]

[frail orbit]

@elder crane but aint it got like, 480/280/280 tho?

Dunno if koumakan being utter keks again smhw

[elder crane]

that's total damage

it's 20 shots of 20 damage with DDHE mods, which are 120/60/60

which is total 480/240/240

[frail orbit]

So not normal pellets eh

Shit here we go again on koumakan being keks

[sterile bluff]

ehh it says normal on wiki but it sets stuff on fire and penetrates idek at this point

[elder crane]

it doesn't set on fire

Moe just confirmed that there's no mention of fire on any part of her barrage in code

[vague token]

hmm i could also do like a fire and ice team

[shell heron]

Stop following me

[shy hazel]

no u stop stalking me

[tough dirge]

back with question

what if my opponents arent using their attempts

[ionic magnet]

u cri

[midnight heron]

rage quit

[eager cedar]

become food

[tough dirge]

nO I ATTACK

People are idots

[coral wren]

Ughh anyone has latest CN pvp meta comp? Like a bilibili post link?

[finite valve]

@tough dirge you can just wait till last 10 min to do your attemp

[shell heron]

Keep waiting or refresh immediately if you don't think your list will move.

Some people dont move until near reset

[vague token]

i usually check after every map run i do, but depending on how distracted i am that can be a while

especially if im playing other games

[eager cedar]

Check every hour or so

Sometimes you’ll get unlucky

[tough dirge]

thanks for the help everyone

and feedback

[ripe latch]

5 fleet with sara , nani

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

cay go apply fast

[jagged steppe]

are these sanbgs or just sleep?

[elder crane]

Given comm lv, quite possibly sleep

[shy hazel]

oh

i got a million merits now

guess it wont cap at 999999

[eager cedar]

caps at 9999999

[tough dirge]

whats the point in having low level or less ships in your formation in exercise

isnt it the point not to let people pass you

i see many shikikans level 100+ using level 105 ships and like 2+2formations

[ionic magnet]

more like def fleets has no point at all
you cant stop ppl from winning even if you use the most tryhard def possible (unless theyre new or doesnt care at all)
so ppl just put whatever botes they want

[shell heron]

You really dont buy anything from the merit shop do you. Not even cubes

[vague token]

now that i have chappy it's time to make a meme defense

[shell heron]

But now that you hit 1m. Time to quit and become food

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

@tough dirge and the only reason why some of us use tryhard def fleets is hoping to get someone not paying attention to lose

Or stall them if they sandbag extra hard

Every second of stalling counts

[shy hazel]

the rates are bad afterall

either u get the worth it ssr ships early and purins

or get the badly rated cubes

which are no thanks

cubes should be 1k merit per piece

[keen sparrow]

1b merit

[shy hazel]

imagine per round of pvp only gives 50 - 80 per battle

and 1 cube costs like what

3k

[shell heron]

not like I spend merits on anything else. 2k per cube isnt too bad

[keen sparrow]

cube in merit shop is myth

[shy hazel]

not to add that yeah

it should at least be /20 per month

not randomized crap

devs just has to make "exercises"

rewardless

so it will be "casual"

friendl

y

[keen sparrow]

/20 cube per month so ppl will have motivated to do pvp

[shy hazel]

20 cubes p month is sustaible even with current gain rate

assuming u is always gensui

we get like 45k merits per month aft all

[shell heron]

Many players dont see the point pvp aftet getting the sodak and Eldridge.

[shy hazel]

i mean

[shell heron]

I don't even pvp for merits anymore.

[shy hazel]

it really has no point other than annoying ppl

and having self goals

because devs are refusing it give it a point

but still benefits from it indirectly

by introducing "op" pvp ships

which ppl will grind for

and gacha for

but wont really use

[shell heron]

Only can be used in pvp. 100k per copy and can only me LBed by dupes

[shy hazel]

theyre scared of changing anything to it iirc

cn pvp beta made like

40% of their players go away

[keen sparrow]

they will add submarine ltr into pvp

[shy hazel]

beta pvp was basically challenge mode

except the enemies are player fleets

hp doesnt get healed

i mean

ppl found it too hard then quit

[shell heron]

Sounds more fun than our "PvP:

[shy hazel]

this pvp is simplified afterall

u should try pricone cay

real pvp system

[shell heron]

Im playing magireco. Like FG but with pvp

[shy hazel]

al should implement another pvp system tbh

like pricon's 3 team pvp

u have 3 fleets to fight opponent 3 fleet

one who wins 2 fleets first wins

so can use other ships than ijn

[vague token]

id rather they add guild war with an actual map layout so we use the same mechanics as pve

ammo and oil management

[shell heron]

I was excited when chessboard rerun previewed that pvp like event.

I should see if it was any good for JP/CN because we sure didn't get it

[vague token]

yeah

[pure prairie]

I am rather new - However I want to acquire South Dakota..... Any tips? Rather any good ships for pvp/Strats?

[keen sparrow]

gud ship for VG is nanoda

[pure prairie]

Nanoda?

[keen sparrow]

yukikaze is in light build

she can carry u VG if all she skill is max lv

[pure prairie]

I don't have her....

[shell heron]

Outside of events, you should be doing daily light builds anyways. She'll come eventually

[split socket]

just keep doing pve and dw too much about pvp comps if ur new imho, especially if u only want sdakota / eldridge

[pure prairie]

Well I have been playing for awhile..... Just recently, However, I actually got invested in the game - So to speak.

[split socket]

there are plenty ppl with bad defense fleets that you should be able to beat as long as ur team is lvled up enough. Also if ur ever losing a fight, you can cancel the fight at anytime and maybe try pick another opponent

[pure prairie]

Ah ok

I shall give these strategies a try - After de/commissioning some of the fleet....

[keen sparrow]

u can get dokata n elderidge in 1month just play casual pvp, if canot beat the left openent or they use metta just refresh. my frst time get both at 1month that time just start playing

[pure prairie]

They are all massively stronger then I am....

[hot creek]

who are your highest leveled girls?

and what level are they?

perhaps we can help you assemble a makeshift pvp fleet

[pure prairie]

Alright

I have a competent fleet assembled now.... Realized defensive fleet doesn't equal Assault fleet....

Washington 79 - Nagato 67 - Big E 52 -Terror, Penny, and Gascogne U 52 - Warspite 41 - Hyuuga 47 - Long island 48 For the main ships

San Diego 67 - Belfast 59 - Portland 57 - Takao 56 - Eugen 54 - Laffey, Indiana, and Minnea 50 -And Yoizuki 49 For the Vanguard

[hot creek]

ok yeah, you gotta level up them girls way more. Don't worry too much about pvp performance until then.

in the meantime just try to find low level fleets to beat I guess

[pure prairie]

[zenith tundra]

levels will carry you better at the beginning more then picking a good comp that u don't level up. also focus on good pve ships since pvp rewards aren't that amazing

[eager cedar]

[prime panther]

im trying to get admiral of the navy this season anyone got tips/advice?

[shell heron]

usual sandbagging advice. fight your left most if they moved

[prime panther]

do you try to split the fights as much as you can?

[shell heron]

If you mean get as many fights with bonus. Yes

We will wait until nearly last minute if needed for movement

[karmic forum]

Most important thing is to not miss an exercise

[prime panther]

how hard is it to get admiral of the navy? would ppl just stop after reaching that point to allow others?

[karmic forum]

Not that hard if you have a decent fleet

If your fleet is underlevelled you might find it difficult

[prime panther]

fleet shouldnt be a problem for me

[karmic forum]

Then it should be fairly easy

[prime panther]

alright thx for the help

[shell heron]

one extra tip, if you find yourself getting too many people below you

try holding 5 matches

[forest lake]

Itadakimasu

[shell heron]

haven't had that kind of luck for the last 3 seasons.

[keen sparrow]

18 point

[shell heron]

I bet on 19

[forest lake]

21

[hot creek]

those nicknames lul

[elder crane]

no mercy

[forest lake]

[charred sable]

My loli can beat up your loli

[forest lake]

[upper sparrow]

[keen sparrow]

4kill

[inner zenith]

what's everyone using to clear SP? 👀

[midnight heron]

w/e ships pr requires

[smoky elk]

all PRs for meme

[misty garnet]

noshiro or Shigure Kai with ayanami +yuki for sakura fleet

[elder crane]

Whatever rando ships are highlv but not maxed yet

[misty garnet]

actually just gimme noshiro equips

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[high bay]

it pains me to see

when rossiya is the only one i havent gotten

[gritty cove]

How much does Tashkent's summon slow?

[vale rapids]

Testing is not enough for that, it need to be datamined tho

But its around 20%-30%

[past egret]

Was that a 4 star FDG in pvp

[misty garnet]

equipment for noshiro?

[elder crane]

15% slow max, but it's stacking 1.5% per hit
Lasts 4s, refreshes when applied

So 🚮

[gritty cove]

Ah too bad

[vague token]

still the only vanguard slow in the game outside of... white heart rng >_>

[shell heron]

@misty garnet the pinned messages have a suggested equipment/comp guide you can look at

[vague token]

when can we get slow torpedos that do less damage reee

[forest lake]

[vague token]

or make white heart's slow 100% chance

[forest lake]

[eager cedar]

This last ticks were garbage for me, only got +2 in total

[shy hazel]

oops

almost missed reset

10 seconds

too busy

wait

@shell heron what is your score rn

[shell heron]

I'll find out in a second. Logging back in

980

not enough bonus matches this season

[shy hazel]

oh

im 2 points higher

i thought i missed the reset last time too

guess not

too busy in priconne

[shell heron]

you should be higher tbh. today has been pretty bad with only 1 or 2 bonus match per reset

[shy hazel]

[dense lynx]

[jagged steppe]

is this loss?

[shy hazel]

u rush u lose

u is loser

[jagged steppe]

no i just need sleep

half bag

[whole terrace]

Are there any certain times in the day to attack to make sandbagging easier, or get more bonus points?

[zenith tundra]

sandbagging depends on who u have in ur list. for en it's harder to know at what time people use attempts since they can be from anywhere and so have different time zones

u can go as far as memorizing people names and at which time they use attempts but usually there is no general rule. u just have to wait for someone to move in ur list in the end

[whole terrace]

I see. My number of attacks are normally in the 5/10 to 10/10 range. Does that make a difference at all

[zenith tundra]

it does since having more attempts not used means that people in ur list can gain more points so will give u more bonuses

[whole terrace]

Oh nice

[zenith tundra]

always stay at 10/10 after reset if u can

[whole terrace]

I normally do but sometimes I sleep early so I sleep through 2 resets. So I use all 10 attacks before sleep

[zenith tundra]

that's fine. it's better to use them then to lose them

[whole terrace]

ok

thanks again btw for giving me advice on my pvp comp a while back. Idk if u remember but u advised hiryuu centaur warkai. Works pretty well

[high bay]

my usual rush time is 6:30 jst, 4:00 jst or 7:00 jst (if i took a nap)

so if you see me in your list, then im definitely fodder

[whole terrace]

Got it haha

[zenith tundra]

i myself never rush unless it's 10 min before reset end. usually use alarm if i'm sleeping

[whole terrace]

why 10 minutes?

[zenith tundra]

to try and get as many bonuses as possible

[zenith tundra]

nice active list

5 mins after i posted someone actually moved.....

[eager cedar]

i wonder how many en has dev20+ azuma and fdg

[shy hazel]

those who spent tons of cubes

maybe phx

[midnight heron]

still 10+ bp to dev15

[eager cedar]

[ripe latch]

[past egret]

So far I know of a few users with dev 20 or able to dev 20 but haven’t yet

Most players peaking past 15 rn probably

I’m close to 19

[eager cedar]

Both dev20+ or just one?

I know plenty that have one dev20+

[eternal cliff]

In a Warspite/Centaur/Formi setup
Which of these ships would be best suited for the middle
Saint Louis, Belfast, or Neptune?

[shell heron]

I forgot to move last night and missed out on an extra +2 this morning

[elder crane]

I'd take neptune probably in general, assuming dev30

[ripe latch]

yaptune

[elder crane]

Either her or belfast

[eternal cliff]

Welp
Shit
I've been focusing on Dev30 SL

Though I do have a decent Belfast

[shell heron]

Another sanrui bait.

[eternal cliff]

At what dev level is Neptune usable at?
I have her at dev22 at the moment

[shell heron]

Sanrui is still viable. Not the best option for damage, but she can tank okay

[elder crane]

She's arguably overall slightly worse than other stall except she ignores Aurora debuff
Aurora isn't too meta in EN though, and you run FC, which will murder Aurora anyways

[grave gale]

my fdg is dev 23 and my azuma is 19.

6 away for azuma to be 20

[eternal cliff]

Speaking of FC, should I run Reppus in all fighter slots?
Or is there another plane I should use for Formi

I'm guessing the Helldiver is too slow

[elder crane]

If you don't have VF-17, both reppu unless you need timing adjustment, yeah

[eternal cliff]

Yeah I don't have a V-17

[ripe latch]

[eager cedar]

Unringed suruga and noshiro

[ripe latch]

two ways - oath or buy skin

[eager cedar]

Just do both

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

Always both

[eager cedar]

i cant math, was 1pt off from +1

oh well

[hot creek]

I need to farm aff on zuma/fdg. Maybe then Ill apply the the prints.

But I do like seeing big numbers so maybe ill just stockpile until I have 513 prints each

[empty grove]

I used mine

& all my universal ones

[hot creek]

Ill probably save like 20 universal til the end just in case one gets too many prints over the other. But so far for me, fdg and azuma have been pretty equal.

My cube count is being decimated

I hope next event isnt an HMS one

otherwise I'd be in trouble.

[shy hazel]

i stopped using cubes

cos completion > pr

[hot creek]

dreams of 100% collection were crushed long long ago with fw

I got all the fw ships except kalk

So I only go broke for ships who I really want now

https://puu.sh/FhVyS/3f1439f1a5.png look at this smug little shit

But I have managed to somehow get every chat border so far.

[shell heron]

When kalk's skin is less jail bait than base skin

[vale rapids]

that dress look...transparent

[vague token]

cause it is

[forest lake]

[eager cedar]

this guy officer

[ripe latch]

When launching torpedoes, 20% (40%) chance to evade all attacks for 5 seconds.

[shy hazel]

nothing new

al has always been hentai game

[vale rapids]

And my favorite hentai game too

[hot creek]

KC better for hentai

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

[jagged steppe]

because many people in jp dislike the azur lane cuz their pride over chinese so there are less people in jp playing azur lane than kc so amount of number of doujin each comiket of azur lane is slightlly lower than kc

[hot creek]

only "slightly" lower than KC? The amount of doujins KC gets blows AL outta the water, about five times over.

[red nexus]

KC designs are a lot lazier

[hot creek]

and AL's designs are too fanservicey. Opinions are opinions

[vale rapids]

KC has more doujin because it exist long time before AL, thats why

[jagged steppe]

many people that play kancolle also anti azur lane

in jp

[hot creek]

idk man, AL's been out for awhile now yet KC is still getting five times the amount of doujins in recent comikets. I'd love to get more AL doujins but artists still prefer KC.

[stable dawn]

KC has a large established fanbase so it's easier to sell doujins

The solution is to play AK

[hot creek]

yes... and then be disappointed when artists don't make doujins of your AK waifus

[stable dawn]

Reality is often disappointing

[vale rapids]

AK doesnt have enough hentai so its not good enough

[shy hazel]

oh boi

wonder if kiro will be mod soon

[ionic magnet]

nah you degens stay out of my AK

[forest lake]

AK doesn't have enough hentai
Oh boi it definitely isn't enough until you see how overly cursed they are

[ionic magnet]

and its not even about quantity

its always quality

[shy hazel]

thing is

your game doesnt have both

[forest lake]

unless you think gore is quality then

[smoky elk]

rotten rng to the point Surusad nailed it

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

[runic sorrel]

[jagged steppe]

is it just me or its alot harder to sandbag on fri-sunday

[shell heron]

Depends on your list

[jagged steppe]

is this a plus 1?

how many rank for plus1?

[jovial sedge]

what to farm this event? anything worth?

[elder crane]

It's probably not enough points
And you just have to guesstimate
they need to have done at least 3 matches from when they appear on list to get bonus, usually

[jovial sedge]

that akagi/cleve screen thats why I posted into suggestion for them to do somth about it

[elder crane]

The CL gun in D3 is worth farming for a bit, especially if you don't have enough seattlegun for the ships you use

[jagged steppe]

asdasdasdsad

END

IM DONE

+0

[elder crane]

1.4k from 1.9k is usually 1-2 matches above you
that's not enough for bonus

again, they need to have done 3+ more matches at admiral ranks for bonus

[ionic magnet]

at this time of the season just check top 100 score and see if its close to 35 pt gap

[jagged steppe]

man he not top 100

man I need sleep but i have 9/10 with rank 900

is this lost?

it looks like a lost to me

[elder crane]

just do your matches without bonus
you probably won't be able to compete for the very top ranks at EoS if you have to sleep with this kind of timing, but a high rank should still be possible, and a temp high rank during rush should be easy

[jagged steppe]

7 WIN LEFT WITH RNAK 300

asdsadcacxgv

IS THIS LOST?

[elder crane]

oh, you need to go to 0/10?
🇫

[jagged steppe]

THEY SHOULD

MAKE

mAX STACK

15

NOT 10

I CANT SLEEP

I AM A TYPE OF PERSON THAT SLEEP MORE THAN 12HOUR PER DAY

[karmic forum]

Oh right DST is tonight

[jagged steppe]

FK THIS GAME MAN

its -1 if I atk anyone lower right?

just to makle sure

IM FREED

[karmic forum]

Going for premature r1

Sounds a lot more impressive than it actually is

[jagged steppe]

why I win

still rank2

[karmic forum]

Taking a single +9 isn't that bad when your using up all of your runs

[jagged steppe]

I think

I'll wake up after next 5 hour

then do 1 pvp

then continue sleep

oh im so smart

[shell heron]

I think they stopped adjusting for dst with the last few fun features

[karmic forum]

They did but the current PvP cycle is slightly better for me and most east coasters.

[shell heron]

Not a fan of DST. It makes my last reset of the day at 2am.

[vague token]

was really hoping my state would delete dst

=/

[elder crane]

Cmv DST is a relic of the past and should be 🚮

[karmic forum]

2am is better than 3am at least

[hot creek]

we're springing forward so its more like he's going from 1am to 2am probably

daily reset is gonna be at midnight now instead of 11pm for me

yeah I prefer 11pm reset

[vague token]

11pm reset is convenient for me too

[shell heron]

11 pm reset sounds nice. Actually getting sleep

[eternal cliff]

Shit we're going back to PST now aren't we

Welp, that's midnight for me

[shy hazel]

theres no time change anymore

they cant code properly so they ditched it

[ripe latch]

hard food

[meager dawn]

not even dev30 azuma

🚮

[ripe latch]

dev rushers

[shell heron]

at least be dev20 before trying to flex on us

[hot creek]

ikr, not even 5 stars

they're not bothering to sync anymore is exactly why we have to adjust for different times.

[vague token]

i find her fine at 4 star level 115

cause she just has to tank

[eager cedar]

Oh fuck

Well rip this season I guess

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

[past egret]

Anything below dev 25 = 🚮

[zenith tundra]

dev 20 azuma with nagato is already better then anything else u can think for 3rd slot

[blazing scroll]

IJN

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[shell heron]

33 more bps before I can use my Azuma

[shy hazel]

oh

u ppl r p fast

oops its cay the lucksack scum

nvm

[shell heron]

I said use, not max

My PR2 bps are too nicely even with a range of 90-120

oh a WASD comp

haven't seen one of those in a while

[eager cedar]

[shy hazel]

i never count

i use then as soon as i get them

azuma is like dev 18

[shell heron]

I just use them when I have enough for the next milestone

[shy hazel]

usable means

youre azuma d20 soon

you have like 60 more than me if thats the case

[shell heron]

I guess so

[shy hazel]

i used some cubes in the start so i guess u used more

[shell heron]

what cubes?

havent seen an azuma cube project in forever

[shy hazel]

1 hr comms

[shell heron]

don't touch those

I have been cursed these last 2 events that I don't want to use cubes elsewhere

[shy hazel]

im sure u also aware dev 20 drs needs more than prs

[shell heron]

I know, I'm looking at the amount needed for DR ships

Or I would have dev20 by now

[shy hazel]

i wonder y u have more bps than me

[shell heron]

[shy hazel]

cay lucksack scum

[shell heron]

I know where my luck went now, from gacha to Azuma bps

[empty grove]

You probs still got lucky tho

[shell heron]

My luck did a 180 these last 2 events. went from average 80 cubes per banner to 300 for these last 2

each

[empty grove]

I had gl on PR BP early on

Pretty shit now

[shell heron]

wonder if I should start doing those 1hr cube bps to race all of you

[empty grove]

Do it

[shell heron]

once I hit 2k again

gotta love all those 3k blue azumas tho, been getting quite a good amount this last 2 weeks

[empty grove]

Think i've seen more than 1 on those twice now

[jagged steppe]

their vg tanky af

[shell heron]

[eager cedar]

Entry

[shell heron]

prinz and roon

[jagged steppe]

I kaput their bismark fdg graf

they kaput my helenayukekize clev

and warspite

fk

[hot creek]

Even if you started burning your cubes now, no way you can catch up before we reach dev 30

[shell heron]

don't underestimate how much cubes I have

[hot creek]

doesnt matter if you had 10,000 cubes. You won't catch up

[keen sparrow]

just pray get 30min azuma research everytime

[hot creek]

gonna take me 15k oil to max out Azuma affinity

[jagged steppe]

how long does it normally takes to get dev30?

start from 0

[elder crane]

On a PR, 2 months if you go crazy, 6 for semicasual, roughly, as the relevant extremes

On a DR, that stretches to 4 months and 1 yr+

By crazy I mean dump cubes and gold into whatever projects give the best rates per-time, and be fairly on-the-spot for keeping researchs running

[hot creek]

for the DR its 4 months if you have a lot of cubes, choose the correct researches and don't sleep or share an account for 24/7 research coverage.

[elder crane]

Be prepared to burn like 1k+ cubes and idk how much coin if you do that

This will also gimp your 457 gun progess though since H projects don't drop that and D project rates for it aren't great

[hot creek]

I am estimated to finish late May. So a little over 5 months for me.

[shell heron]

ah wait, I didn't see if I lost that match.

then again I didn't see a red screen so it's okay I guess

[sour oasis]

PR/DR research can only be randomized once a day IIRC. Crud.

[hot creek]

the rate loss of 457's for doing cube projects is pretty negligible imo.

I guess compared to someone going all in on equipment research it wont be

but im at 21/50 right now which I imagine is still more than most people who avoid doing cube projects.

I think the most important part of research, besides have cubes to spare, is just being dilligent and choosing the correct projects.

I see so many people in trophy room posting their ship unlocks but their BP count says they probably won't even get close to dev 30 before the game shuts down and I'm like, bruh.

I did a count of my DR prints one time and surprisingly, less than half of my DR prints comes from cube projects, around 40%.

but then again, cube projects are just great refreshers in general so if I wasn't able to do them I'd probably have a whole lot less from D projects as well.

probably would take me at least 10 months to dev 30 if I didn't do any cube projects at all.

[charred sable]

daylight savings time reset I think

so you can turn forward your alarm clocks by 1hr?

[vague token]

reset got pushed back yeah

[charred sable]

I panicked when I saw I still had 10 attacks left and the clock was 10:59

[vague token]

[sterile bluff]

@hot creek where is the tierlist for researches for gear? I'm trying to get gear prints rn don't know which ones to prioritize. I just do short ones during the day and long ones during night

[charred sable]

There was one earlier for PR1, not sure if there's a PR2 though.
But the general guide is if its short and uses cubes, it'll give a lot, so prioritize those

[sterile bluff]

cube researches don't drop gear bp...

[charred sable]

derp, I missed that part xD

[sterile bluff]

and also gold and purple researches obviously drop better stuff but take longer

so idk how to go about the tradeoff

[hot creek]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12jp_v9PbojRG2PQ1SMr4y-uQASyKz_ewj-Fi4NVpjls/edit#gid=1985695592

[sterile bluff]

woaaaaaaaaaaaaah

dope sheet

[hot creek]

for equipment, Q series is good. G-531-MI is also excellent.

[sterile bluff]

so is this for gear bp or?

oh ok

what about G412s?

see them constantly

[shell heron]

It's a cheap refresh

with a chance of ship bps

[sterile bluff]

i don't care about ship bps i just want gear

[hot creek]

those are ok, not that great. Often you get nothing but they are a quick refresh.

[sterile bluff]

so Q and G-531 r the only good ones?

[hot creek]

For gear, pretty much yeah. The purple 4 hr Q-0XX-MI, and purple 4 hr G-531-MI are outstanding. 1 hr Q-3XX-MI projects are good cause they're fast but the 4 hr ones are the most reliable. the 2 hr Q-2XX ones aren't as good but still ok.

[sterile bluff]

sooooo lesson of the day: Do Qs for gear

and G-531-MI

[charred sable]

Q stands for eQuipment

G stands for Good

[hot creek]

yeah also keep in mind that sheet is still wip and hasn't been updated for awhile so don't take it at full value. In any case its still a decent show of what to expect from these projects

[charred sable]

G412 stands for refreshG412

[sterile bluff]

it's ok i have absolutely no idea how to read that sheet anyways LMFAO

[charred sable]

[hot creek]

theres a reason why Q projects are called Rigging Analysis

[charred sable]

sounds lewd

[sterile bluff]

:PPPPP

im so glad that im doing a G-531 rn before even asking

lmao

wait these researches r present for both pr1 and 2 right?

like there's a G-531 I and G-531 II?

[hot creek]

yes

[sterile bluff]

noiiiiiiiice

[hot creek]

so watch out

[sterile bluff]

ye

do blue researches have a chance to drop 457 or is the chance so low it's negligible?

[hot creek]

Yeah they can drop 457.

[sterile bluff]

but im guessing chances r so low that it's not even worth it?

[hot creek]

depends on what your other options are

You only wanna do gear?

[sterile bluff]

yea

(lmao my gear sucks i need good gear XD)

[vague token]

oops dropped a match cause playing hollow knight xD

[sterile bluff]

yikes just realized the good researches we've talked about r so expensive D:

at least for me

6k coins for G-531

oof

[velvet oracle]

Just asking real quick, in a meta defense fleet, is yukikaze placed middle or rear?

Like Bel+Jun+Ykkz

[hot creek]

Yes, placed in the back like that.

[velvet oracle]

Keep seeing ykkz mid lol, better than front I guess

[charred sable]

I like placing Yukikaze in the middle cause after the tank (Saint Louis in first position) and the sacrificial lamb (Juneau in third position) die, Yukikaze zooms around like crazy and dodges pretty much everything except CV cause of her speed

[velvet oracle]

Yeah fleets with sanrui is where I see them

[hot creek]

@sterile bluff Oh I forgot about the B-series projects. I suspect those might be ok too but we don't have much data on them and I personally never do them cause they require you to sortie whenever you get them. https://puu.sh/FiDKK/036bf4900b.png here's a mini tierlist I just made of what I'll be doing once I start focusing purely on EQ after I finish dev 30.

[sterile bluff]

that's literally exactly what i have in mind LOLOL

the resources is the problem tho D:

[hot creek]

Oh you might also wanna consider doing Q-2XX-MI over Q-3XX-MI

but im not sure. I guess they're about the same for all intents and purposes.

for the Q-0XX-MI series I'd watch out for the one that eats purple aux plates, would rather pay 6k gold and do a G-531 instead

since T3 aux plates are just so valuable lol

[sterile bluff]

ye im not too concerned over Q2 vs Q3 cuz t2 plates aren't that hard to get it's the t3s that r a real bitch to obtain

[hot creek]

btw, PR1 has some excellent equipment as well so you might wanna check that out too if you haven't

[tough dirge]

question

Do you guys use attempts at the very last moment? cuz when sandbagging i dont have time to watch my opponent for 9 hours and not use any attempts

[ionic magnet]

ideally yes

but that only applies to like 5 real hardcore ppl

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

no harm going down to 5/10 1 hour or 30 mins before reset

unless you're really aiming for end of season top 1

[hot creek]

I wait til last 5 mins to finished my last match out of spite - just in case some other sandbagger has me on their list

[ionic magnet]

yes like this guy

[ripe latch]

5 min to reset
2 enty's trying kill each other

[hot creek]

Sometimes, when matchmaking goes well and people on my list move, I will be generous and move 10 mins before reset instead of 5.

[ionic magnet]

i've lost too many seasons exactly cos of waiting for last 5 mins
keep forgetting to do chages when i could've done them 30 mins ago

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

ur fault

[tough dirge]

bonus?

[ripe latch]

1400

[tough dirge]

bro i dont even have l120 fleet

[ripe latch]

110lvl ~1000

u can use port kai sandy and nanoda

[whole terrace]

No it's bait don't do it

Wait for them to drop to a better rank to be sure imo

[shell heron]

You learn the the difference in ranks before bonus points after a while. A r800 is too soon. Maybe 400 up

[eager cedar]

I learn it but I still get baited ever so often

[ripe latch]

5 refresh low rank

[ionic magnet]

anyone else who feels azuma is garbage at dev20?

[shell heron]

still working on mines

[vague token]

she works fine for me at dev 16 or w/e

cause i just need her to tank

dev 20 just adds aux efficiency and aa i think

wait chappy's fire is every 2 ticks

but you only get 3 total

it does not refresh

reee

well at least i can stack a billion fires

kirishima with fireworks, barrage, chappy barrage

saratoga

and a regular fire

[ionic magnet]

thats the thing

[vague token]

it's all coming together

[ionic magnet]

azuma is supposed to tank but she melts even faster than jun lead half the time

[vague token]

oh im still doing juneau tank

against triple bb she doesnt always die before warspite sinks someone

because they dont always hit her with aux

[ionic magnet]

the dmg isnt good either

[vague token]

xD

who needs damage when you have warspite

just wait for her to rip apart the enemy team

;)

[ionic magnet]

im salty cos i lost a match just now

got used to afking with noshi

[vague token]

i lost one last reset cause i was playing hollow knight as was attacking an actual meta comp

i think i got bad final counter timing or something

it was nagato and hiryuu at 1 hp and i saw defeat lol

[upper sparrow]

noshi > azuma

[ionic magnet]

at dev20 yes for sure

[vague token]

im pretty sure it'll take dev 25 for azuma to start outdpsing noshiro for me

especially since i dont run nagato

for me specifically i should say

[ionic magnet]

yea i'd wait for dev25 also

[vague token]

no time to wait, 120 + 200 affection wont grind itself

;)

[ionic magnet]

what aux are you using btw

i just slapped rudder+gyro

[vague token]

armor/rudder

[ionic magnet]

mm

[vague token]

i figure if juneau can eat one big seven

then i can just sacrifice azuma on the next

and noshiro is free to barrage

[ionic magnet]

oh youre using her with noshi

[vague token]

me? yeah

with armor you need noshi to keep torp damage under control

since you need more boiler elsewhere

[ionic magnet]

ill try that for a bit

yea should help azuma tank better

[vague token]

thankfully both azuma and noshiro have higher speed than their class counterparts

because balance

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

but yeah this formation usually pushes noshiro to around 15k damage

suruga top doesnt really hit that high of damage since no georgia gun

but it's fine cause she just needs to soak 2/3 warspite positions

and if enemy ws is top slot she can help my warspite counter snipe before amagi sinks (cause no armor lul)

suruga tank is pretty great xD

cant wait for fdg for ultimate ehp fun times

oh im also using twin 100mm on azuma for the aa xD

[ionic magnet]

yea i should prolly swap out my 138

but isnt 127 better than 100

5 less AA but 5 more FP and HE ammo

[vague token]

i dunno, im using my 127s though

im not really expecting fire refreshes to come from 1% aux chance xD

but it probably is better

[ionic magnet]

ok time to bulli

i mean test

nvm i tapped refresh by accident

[vague token]

lul the instinct

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

honestly still waiting to see someone with juneau/ibuki/noshiro =/

[ionic magnet]

i could but still no nagato so no point

[vague token]

i forgot you missed her xD

[ionic magnet]

yea feelsbadman

esp when im swimming with cubes rn

[vague token]

i think im at 400 cubes

which is fine

next event isnt a build one

[shell heron]

my last fight is easy. should I be mean and wait another minute

like under 5k/5k easy

[past egret]

Trying out fully maxed Big Mammie

Jesus Christ Her + Helena = warkai 2.0 / Chinese knock off

I want to try Warkai Georgia Mammie snipe nuke Backline now

Maybe Amagi Warkai Mammie

Mmmm

Her shots travel fast as HELL too it’s almost always a frontline hit

[sterile bluff]

@hot creek ye for sure pr1 has awesome gear but it sucks that im tryna get a few specific pieces of gear but ik that it's not possible to "focus" on 1 piece u kinda have to complete all of them at the same time 😦

[shy hazel]

hooloo no dicc

refreshed by instinct

[shell heron]

Hooloo's instincts made him refresh out of fear

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

I had to reset against Blackie's QFC fleet today

how does that even happen

Queen's Wrath

[smoky elk]

Queen strikes with a vengeance

[ripe latch]

[sterile bluff]

wtaf

[hot creek]

I wanna sleep. But DST pushed reset an hour later

[eager cedar]

just set alarm

[hot creek]

I dont want a nap

[eager cedar]

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet what is your score rn

[ionic magnet]

1607

[shy hazel]

[hot creek]

down a match?

[shy hazel]

why would i lose to hooloo

hooloosee

[hot creek]

Not you, HooLoo.

[shy hazel]

even had a dev 20 azuma

disgusting lucker

[hot creek]

no luck needed. learn 2 research

is anyone at 1 mill merits yet?

[shy hazel]

not even

i know how to research i just stopped

when gacha is cuccing ships

thiz hooloodogg never stopped

[ionic magnet]

yea i lost 1 match

[shy hazel]

u know hooloo

prvs vg is better than current

u dont have nagato so dont bother with azuma until d25

[ionic magnet]

gotta flex what you can

[shy hazel]

belfast

neptune dont provide anything

[coral wren]

are there any new meta fleet that dosnt use warspite? as I was on a break when she was released.
currently still using nanamryuu and it seem to be working as attacking but idk how good it is for defense

[ionic magnet]

youre good
namaryuu is still one of the best comps (if not the best) in both atk and def

[coral wren]

hmm also. if i dont have the PR2 CL gun. what gun should I put on my amagi and Nagato? the new russian one?

[ionic magnet]

nepgun

[coral wren]

I dont have that either

[ionic magnet]

id rather use the russian cl gun on a real cl

well

[coral wren]

is Nepgun. Prototype triple 152 mm main gun?

I think I have one of that

with AP

[ionic magnet]

go for the classic belgun then

yea nepgun is ap

[coral wren]

ah ok. I will use one of that. also I have 2 Russian gun. is it better than belgun?

for backline

[ionic magnet]

just a little worse than pr2 gun yea

[coral wren]

oh cool I will be using that then. ty

[high bay]

i lost one match

enemy warspoot outplayed my QE and Warspoot

[forest lake]

Just don't lose lmao

[oblique marsh]

played someone with a Enty-Hiryuu-Warspite fleet. I can't believe how annoying it was.

[forest lake]

[coral wren]

does warspite even work well without a barrage ship to help it down the top or bot enemy ship?

her targeted barrage dosnt do enough dmg to kill single ship fast enough imo

[oblique marsh]

As a strong sniper as Warspite is, you don't expect her to one shot every ship in the PvP unless your opponent is very low lvl or bad luck at evading. She's there for huge damage dealer so that your carriers can finish it of in just 1 takeoff.

She's also good against Hiryuu since you want Hiryuu to activate her last skill as soon as possible while your Vanguards are still fighting.

Which reminds me, why is Prototype Triple 410mm Gun a not recommended gun for Warspite? She mostly attack back fleet anyway so why not just equipped her with the best AP gun?

[upper sparrow]

ehhh, u can use izumo gun if u want tho, depend comp ur using

[coral wren]

why are PR equipments 25 prints

takes so long time

I feel like the game is gonna be dead by the time I get that rainbow gun

[oblique marsh]

I just calculated the damage. Izumo Gun it is..

[past egret]

Found the most success with Massachusetts using the french quad 380 gun

How good is Georgia in pvp?

[forest lake]

🚮

[past egret]

[forest lake]

[eager cedar]

[elder crane]

Georgia aims barrage randomly
If she only aimed at main at least, she'd be pretty good, but......

[sterile bluff]

how r D-7xx researches for gear?

the cognition ones

[elder crane]

Mediocre

Sadly, it's basically either equip focus or ship focus overall

[ripe latch]

this still usless ?

[hot creek]

Not completely useless, situational/preference. Its basically an upgrade of the purple 410

[ripe latch]

but usable on nagato / amagi?

[shell heron]

Very

Still a fast gun with decent shell damage

[sour oasis]

When does this season end? I just started.
So.. How does giving myself up as 🍖 work?

[shell heron]

There's a fine line between rushers and food

you could rush, or move when one of us finds you on their list

[ripe latch]

🍖

[eager cedar]

might as well become food if you mess up this season

[upper sparrow]

cant be a food if ur rank is among 7k

[sterile bluff]

@ripe latch bro... that gun is not useless LMFAO, that's like my dream gun rn im working my ass off trying to get that HAHAHA

@elder crane gift me with the knowledge of all the equip focus researches D:

[elder crane]

Spam Q and G531
G412 and H137 for refreshes, and D7XX is probably around as good (slower to refresh but can give a print or two sometimes)
that's it basically

[sterile bluff]

hmm ok

doing a 531 rn hope ill get smth good D:

[elder crane]

531 is basically a 4H Q project except you pay 6k coin for roughly 2 ship prints on top of the equip prints
it's hella expensive, but that's the price of it, sadly

[upper sparrow]

it still much better than doing the shitty free research

[high bay]

i already messed up by losing once this season

so i will rush and fight whoever is the easiest to become food

[keen sparrow]

warkai get KS by queen

[sterile bluff]

@elder crane honestly man at this point i just want some gear bp i don't even care about cost anymore 😢

[karmic forum]

Coming soon to a PvP meme fleet in Avrora

[frail orbit]

[ripe latch]

russian food

[upbeat hollow]

can a partial russian fleet work in pvp? also how terrible would 3 bbs in general be? i dont know the specifics outside of triple bb comps like nagato georgia warkai sometimes or something of that nature

[hot creek]

You'll have to try those russians out yourself. Otherwise the assumed answer is going to be "probably not that great".

Triple BB comps in general can certainly work though.

in fact, some say it will be meta soon enough.

[upbeat hollow]

hm yea might be time to test it and invest myself since its still too early to tell technically anyway i suppose

[vague token]

rossiya with china trio

[empty grove]

Bruh

Bruh

[forest lake]

[shell heron]

still 7 points up of me

[ripe latch]

[split vessel]

Is there any substitute for amagi in top-tier fleets?

[elder crane]

Not really, sadly, she's pretty op
You can try balanced-Amagi (Suruga) but she's not really the same
I'd rather just slap in Warkai or, in a pinch, Monarch or any other excellent barrager and call it a day

Or, if you run Nagato-Hiryuu, Souryuu is an option

[split vessel]

Alright, thanks

[whole terrace]

is there no point in sandbagging anymore once you lose a match? I lost one last week

[zenith tundra]

depends on what ur goal is. if u just care for end of season score then u won't reach top scores

so there is no real point in sandbagging anymore

[whole terrace]

i have no idea

[zenith tundra]

this season i'm still sandbagging even if i'm 7 attempts behind. i always sandbag tho

[whole terrace]

interesting

how competitive will it be at the end of the season? Like i'll still get top 100 right?

[zenith tundra]

if u sandbag all the way trough u still can get like top 20-30 depending on server

[whole terrace]

that'll do i suppose lol

[zenith tundra]

against namagi fdg... i even lost the attempt