pvp

[elder crane]

Not sure where it aims in PvP though

Also not sure if the AoE is enough for multiple hits on targets

If not, then reliability is questionable

[frail orbit]

Random aim still afaik

[elder crane]

It's actually quite clearly a checkerboard pattern if you know to look for it

Looks random at first glance

[frail orbit]

Dunno whether it gonna be Amagi/Georgia case tbh

Naaaa I meant the barrage snipe itself

Obviously a checkerboard pattern but

[elder crane]

It's not a snipe
Large shots are like Littorio

[frail orbit]

Where does the ice barrage goes 1st
Only God knows

[elder crane]

Her slow and large BB shots are not the same part

[frail orbit]

Ye ikr

The big shots on a separate shit anyway

Has 3 parts after all

[elder crane]

It's fixed-location in PvE at least
Distance in PvP idk

That's what I mentioned
If it aims like large shots, at enemy main, or like the pellets of Georgia barrage, yeah

[frail orbit]

Need more test whether it hits on backline only
Or VGs too

Backline only eg. Dork

[elder crane]

Dork is actually aimed

Not fixed-location

That's completely different

[frail orbit]

Ye but at the farthest position

Which usually means backliners on pvp

[elder crane]

Why are you comparing to dork then

Or Amagi, Amagi is linear barrage+aimed arcing
Reasonable comparison is like Monarch/Hood/Baka/etc.

[frail orbit]

Ahhh sorry. Just me being pepega anyway.

Tbh just thinking what if the ice slow barrage being dictated by her main gun snipe tho?

[elder crane]

Given it's a wide area barrage, I doubt that

Should be fixed

[frail orbit]

Since we know she got like 3 parts r8?
Monarch like snipe
Littorio like barrage
Ice slow barrage

[zenith tundra]

does rossy barrage change with levels?

[elder crane]

No, it's Littorio fixed, ice bomb slow, and random weak like KizAI BB

No idea

There is no snipe

[frail orbit]

Havent even leveled her skills so

[zenith tundra]

i have lvl 7 barrage

[frail orbit]

Ah ye, random weak

Still AP tho

Kinda reminds me to Monarch thang

[zenith tundra]

i'll try in pvp to see how it is once her commission ends

[elder crane]

Random weak is HE

Chart is above

Despite looking like ice

[frail orbit]

Naaahhhh I meant from the streamable

[elder crane]

120/60/60, standard DD HE

[frail orbit]

The blue before the ice

Is that HE?

[elder crane]

Which one, the small random linear shots?

[frail orbit]

Nope

[elder crane]

That's AP and the large shots

That's the bulk of the damage

Special AP though

40/120/125 mods

[frail orbit]

And thats what I referred to, keks

[elder crane]

Kinda like KGV mods really

[frail orbit]

I meant

Wonder if the ice was being dictated by her large shots tbh

[elder crane]

Well you said
"
Random weak
Still HE though
"
A bit confusing

Large shots are fixed-location

Not aimed

[frail orbit]

Nah I meant
The ice barrage being dictated in position by the large shots, or just random hit on checkerboard pattern?

If it's dictated by the large shot position then gonna be like Monarch but well, slower to have it actually on effect.

Especially since boiler is a thing on PVP

@elder crane how's that anyway? @zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

i barely used rossy. i have no clue about what her barrage even does other then it seems all over the place

[granite flame]

how good is tashkent

[ionic magnet]

her 9 AP shots do hit all backliners

rossiya

[zenith tundra]

all as in every backline or all as in all shoots

[ionic magnet]

all shots

3 per backline

[past egret]

Was thinking of trying out a russian frontline, Minsk Tashkent Chapayev would be the way to go right?

[zenith tundra]

if u want to meme sure

[past egret]

I don’t run meta like Yuki Azuma etc, so not just to meme, would that be the best 3 for a full russian frontline?

[zenith tundra]

i don't think anyone tested any of them yet to give a clear answer. if ur goal is to use a 1 nation vg that in itself is a meme since no one should do that for any nation

[ionic magnet]

there

[past egret]

Aight

Zack do you know if sovietsky or gangut are any good

[elder crane]

i don't think anyone tested any of them yet to give a clear answer.

[zenith tundra]

rossy seem to have a good barrage and a slow at least. idk about gangut is pvp material at all tbh

[ionic magnet]

useable but meta worthy? nope

[elder crane]

Gangut is a bog standard shelling BB

she's like QE except gives worse buffs to russians

[zenith tundra]

and only when she fires too

[elder crane]

your only other option for russian main fleet though

[karmic forum]

I'm raising Pamiat

[past egret]

Hmmm guess I’ll just focus on 4 Minsk Tash Chap Rossiya

[elder crane]

vanguard I'd actually go Tash Chappy and the protected cruiser
at least that thing is tanky with good RNG

[past egret]

And Backline Amagi FDG or something

[karmic forum]

Not really for PvP but I'll test her out there sometime later

[elder crane]

Minsk though is actually usefulish for PvE

[karmic forum]

Shes pretty obviously bad but her tankiness makes her a consideration for russia vang imo

[elder crane]

somehow got rank 1 by going to 1/10.... before reset happened, lol
that's out of the way now at least

[zenith tundra]

i just cannot recommend anything that is a meme. u can pretty much win with anything once u get 457 and ws blows everything in opponent backlines by herself

it's just that using bad ships will only make battles more rng then they should be

[past egret]

Pamiat’s Bonus damage skill only applies to her right

[elder crane]

Yep

otherwise she'd actually be good

and we can't have that

[zenith tundra]

she is pretty memey with those stats to begin with

having good skill will make trashing her harder

[vague token]

83 fp lul

the number of mikasa era ships is too damn high

although at least gangut can pretend to be a real bb with 190 efficiency and 35% faster reload for 4 shots

and 18% fp boost i guess

[zenith tundra]

that's mikasa tier fp

[vague token]

i mean it's better than mikasa cause of self buffs

xD

[zenith tundra]

is it tho? mikasa flag has a 20% fp boost

[vague token]

i mean 20% vs 18% is fine, but the 190% efficiency vs 130% pushes gangut over

[elder crane]

with her gun she compares to the likes of QE with mk6 on shelling when skill is still active

[zenith tundra]

i was talking fp not dmg

[elder crane]

yeah, her FP is lower than Mikasa's even

[vague token]

either way big memes

[elder crane]

tbh I wish her gun was more like Mikasa's
faster load, even a base 20 s would be nice
then at least she'd be useful for that

fast pewpew for weak mobs

[zenith tundra]

the vg slow part feels way too close tbh

tried centering the camera and it feels like it hits in ur half of the map not even middle

[vague token]

maybe you get more with skill levels?

[zenith tundra]

dunno but the positions feels weird for sure

[elder crane]

it's supposed to be 9 shots

seems too few in vid?

[zenith tundra]

9 slowing shoots?

[elder crane]

yes

[zenith tundra]

outside of the 9 strong ones right

[elder crane]

Yes

9 strong 9 bombs 20 random spray

[keen sparrow]

maybe at lv 10 will dif?

[elder crane]

hmm, maybe all are present
I can't see because of the stupid firing splash art

can't they make a toggle for that already smh

[zenith tundra]

i think 2 land near backlines

if u see the video above

[elder crane]

but yeah, the distance is defs wonky

[elder crane]

if it's mirrored properly, might be even worse on defense

ahhh, there we go

I suppose it's so the main fleet gets hit by flood too

[zenith tundra]

some more might be added with sl 10 maybe

or any level in between 8 to 10

[elder crane]

nah, I think we've accounted for all of them
I counted I think 7 in vanguard, and 2 are here in main

for 9 total

unless it has special PvP extra shots

[keen sparrow]

like saruga

[elder crane]

-X-
X-X
-X-
X-X
-X-
pattern for the shots on vanguard, I think

then two here in the back

[zenith tundra]

it feels like 4 since 1 splash is from mg shoot...

[elder crane]

We'll see I suppose
Too busy right now (supposedly) to check code

[sterile bluff]

ok so there's like 3 big icicles that hit 1 main each, and the 9 smaller blue shells that's also targeted at main, then the last part which is the smaller icicle spam is what i don't get

like idk where's it's supposed to hit, vg or main

gotta test it out myself tho, but i think the large icicle/blue shells accuracy is affected by sl and acc stat?

[zenith tundra]

the he icicles are supposed to hit anything in their path

[sterile bluff]

wait so they penetrate like ap but r he ammo?

[zenith tundra]

yeah. they have dd he ammo

[sterile bluff]

interesting

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/683460307271548952/Capture.PNG

[sterile bluff]

how do u get that info?

is it on wiki or smth?

[zenith tundra]

bluerendar posted it earlier. don't know the source

[sterile bluff]

lol, tryna figure out what all the numbers represent

[zenith tundra]

100% is fp affected

[sterile bluff]

what's fp affected?

[zenith tundra]

how much u gain form fp stat in dmg

[sterile bluff]

oh ok

[vague token]

wonder what the flood ratio is

[zenith tundra]

the colomn before is number of projectiles the one after is raw damage

then the 3 % are light medium and heavy modifiers

[sterile bluff]

wait so 9 big icicles? that's weird

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sterile bluff]

mine is at lv6 i don't count 9, prolly sl

[zenith tundra]

i don't count 9 at sl 7 too

[sterile bluff]

and the icicles inflict flood dmg?

[zenith tundra]

flood dot

[sterile bluff]

and the smaller icicles, the he shots slows stuff down?

[zenith tundra]

no the big icicles that fall and inflict flood

[sterile bluff]

oh ye sry im blind LMAO

what do the first column numbers represent?

[zenith tundra]

seems to be dmg per projectile

[sterile bluff]

huh, cool

[elder crane]

oh, the % there is "gun" modifier

if it's stat mod, it's on the right as a separate note

it's from Enbayft's google sheet from his github

[zenith tundra]

what's gun modifier?

[sterile bluff]

i think he means efficiency

[elder crane]

you know how guns have a modifier on their damage?
well, barrages are technically coded as "weapons"

so they have it too

[zenith tundra]

ok lol

[elder crane]

and some have nonstandard numbers there

Warspite for example

[sterile bluff]

but barrage is affected by fp right?

[zenith tundra]

seems overly complex lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, I think it's stupid too

just put in into weapon damage or ammo mods smh

Here's warspite

110% there, also you can see the FP mod on the right

wait huh
I didn't know retrofit marksman uses 80% FP all the time

[zenith tundra]

i really didn't know that was a thing

[elder crane]

it's why the DD normal ammo guns are so good despite shitty ammo mods

they get 125% coefficient instead of the 110% DD HE guns get

which offsets their shitty ammo mods

[pallid wedge]

Yup, that's why twin 120mm is more similar than you'd think to the 127mm, especially against light

127mm still better though

[elder crane]

Also why the DrH and 410 purple do more per-shell than mk6, despite 154 vs 156 base damage
110% vs 105% mod

[sterile bluff]

127mm still better? thought 120mm did more dps

oh wait but no AA

ehh

[elder crane]

yeah, the 5 extra FP actually tips the scales for the 120mm

[sterile bluff]

damn it... don't have 127mm 😢

[pallid wedge]

120mm is fine as an alternative

[elder crane]

twin 127 only beats twin 120 for heavy armor

[cobalt karma]

Are the ammo modifiers different in PvP?

[elder crane]

nope

[cobalt karma]

Oh damn

[pallid wedge]

When you get more advanced, you get a lot more 127s

[elder crane]

raw DpS on light for 120 is 41.67
for twin 127 it's 41.90
but, twin 120 gets 5 more FP bonus, so it actually wins

[cobalt karma]

Who'd win, Level 120 Freid, or level 120 Warkai?

[elder crane]

btw 52.33 for the new twin 130 mm

[zenith tundra]

when you get end game u don't even use 127 tbh

[vague token]

i think i toss them on my eagle bbs

muh fleet power

[elder crane]

FdG for defense
Warkai on offense with the 457
apparently FdG still if no 457, but this is all only off of CN sources

[pallid wedge]

How does new twin 130mm compare to 136.8?

[elder crane]

Zack iirc prefers FdG always, was it?

or was it Hiryuu always

better when not vs heavy

[zenith tundra]

i'm stuck with ws amagi fdg

[elder crane]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

this comp is just 100% autowin

[elder crane]

raw/light/med/heavy

it's also new BiS gun on Kitakaze too

just soooo much better base stats than the 100 mm

[pallid wedge]

Yeah i was thinking that too

Kita would love this

[vague token]

it's only bad on pure barragers with no fp reliance

[pallid wedge]

It has trash reload time

[vague token]

but there arent TOO many pure barragers

if only we got another drunk cl gun

with like 60 raw dps but 40+ spread

[pallid wedge]

yeah most good DDs except ayaya are gunnery DDs

[zenith tundra]

barrage dd use 76mm anyway

[vague token]

too bad we can only have 1 =/

[zenith tundra]

till rerun

then we have 2

[vague token]

it basically goes on kita 100% of the time

[zenith tundra]

my kita is already 120 so i don't even get to use it unless i use kita for something

[vague token]

rip

[pallid wedge]

Hang on guys, what does "sandbagging" actually mean? Is that where you wait some time between doing each attack?

[zenith tundra]

u wait for opponents to move before u attack so u get extra points

[pallid wedge]

So how long do you typically wait between attacks?

How can you tell if you've waited enough? do you relog and check?

[zenith tundra]

it's based on rank how much u need for bonuses. past captain rank u need 35 score difference for a +1

u relog and check rank or score if top 100 to see if someone moved enough

[pallid wedge]

aight nice, thanks

[sterile bluff]

@pallid wedge sry was eating lmao, i get a lot more 127s when i get advanced? How would i farm for it tho? Which map is best?

[pallid wedge]

Uhh it's not so much farming, they mostly come out of boxes

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_127mm_(5"/38_Mk_38)#Type_3

[sterile bluff]

D: rip my rng

[zenith tundra]

check t3 page for the map drops

[sterile bluff]

never get good shit outta boxes 😠

[pallid wedge]

After a few months buying boxes w/ coins when you can and doing the dailies, you should have a row or so of them

[sterile bluff]

do i farm it on higher worlds?

also boxes r so expensive D: 5 gold boxes is like what? 25k?

[zenith tundra]

u can farm it when u level ships or do other stuff in between events

[pallid wedge]

I never farmed it, the maps it drops from aren't ideal for farming

[sterile bluff]

big oof

[zenith tundra]

11-1 is not terrible so is 8-1

[pallid wedge]

Yeah gold boxes are expensive, but it's somethig to use your coins on before PR

[sterile bluff]

hmm 8-1 i can do

i mean i gotta save up coins along with cubes

and do research

D:

[pallid wedge]

Nah if you've gotta do PR don't bother with buying boxes

I bought boxes before PR was a thing on EN

[sterile bluff]

ye lol, researches r pre expensive, i spend like 10k per day on average for research?

cuz i need the weapon bps so i don't do cube analysis ones

[pallid wedge]

You'll probably get a few through the daily quest crates

[sterile bluff]

ye i think so

maybe not gold ones tho

[pallid wedge]

Faming it may not be a bad idea if you have the time

[sterile bluff]

wait hold on nvm u do get gold boxes from dailies

[pallid wedge]

Yeah

[zenith tundra]

the only boxes i open are ironblood for mag torp

and those don't even exist for me

[sterile bluff]

i need more gold catas and... literally any gold gear LMAO

ok that sounds kinda sad when i actually say it XD

[zenith tundra]

it will add up with time

at the beginning is the worst but eventually u'll swim in gold gear (in like 1 year if u play on a daily base)

[sterile bluff]

1 year? Ye if i play that long probably

[zenith tundra]

i've been playing since en release in august 2018 and i never play mobile games before it

[sterile bluff]

yo same

this is legit like my first serious mobile game

besides asphalt 8 but that doesn't count

[pallid wedge]

lmao I was trained on the fierce battlegrounds of CoC before I started playing AL

That was years ago though, I started AL in Oct 2018

[shell heron]

hmmm, pushing now.

hope I don't get stalled

[forest lake]

[sterile bluff]

@pallid wedge wait CoC? Clash of Clans?

[pallid wedge]

Yeah clash of clans

Those were simpler times

[sterile bluff]

bruh....... i played dat shit too LMFAO

got stuck on townhall 8 could never move up

[charred sable]

Well, that's a first

[shy hazel]

good food

nvm even top 1 cant give me +1

[shy hazel]

i got +3 this reset again

so far so good

[high bay]

whenever i see nagato, i hope she doesnt proc twice

[waxen lion]

nagato lol

[high bay]

that 40% often doesnt feel like one

[midnight heron]

nah gato

[elder crane]

oh RIP on Tashkent slow memes maybe

1.5% slow stack per icicle hit, caps at 10 stacks, lasts 4s, hits refresh duration as well

15% slow isn't exactly impressive, and needs lots of hits to reach that (probably does it consistently on 1 target, given duration)

[frail orbit]

That on sl10?

F then

[granite flame]

how good is russian cruiser main/BB aux gun?

[zenith tundra]

it has seattle gun dmg but it lacks range for bb aux

might work for vg if u don't have enough seattle guns yet

[shell heron]

It looks to be a simliar seattle gun for vg. Good sub because we dont have that many seattle guna yet

[upper sparrow]

is new cl russian gun good on juneau?

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

you use dd guns on juneau

[shell heron]

Mines using the baguette gun. Was using the twin 127 before

my current EoS score looks to be 88.

2nd ded season in a row

syandra move so I can get that +2

[elder crane]

88 in one match

[shell heron]

I'm a cheater

[elder crane]

Oh, I thought you were doing the 1-match thing
See how many bonus points a 2.5k+ point difference gives

2588 final score?

[shell heron]

ofc. too lazy to type out 4 numbers

[charred sable]

2560 would be my final score with minimal sandbagging but no missing any attacks

[smoky elk]

oh my name there

[shell heron]

Ate one refresh already to avoid a +9

[shy hazel]

oops

holy crap

i forgot its was last reset

i used some refreshes

[shell heron]

Joined me in the early refresh club

[shy hazel]

too busy in pricone

anniv

[shy hazel]

good shit season

p sure get tons of -

[eager cedar]

what is wash and sandy top #10 looking like rn

[hollow spindle]

[oblique marsh]

I think the guide should be updated. The Triple 155mm aka Belgun is not good viable equipment anymore since the release of the Triple152mm Mk5

[charred sable]

No more refreshes

[zenith tundra]

i'll change that. the problem is it's event locked and most people will have 1 max

i'll put is as alternative to seattle gun if u don't have enough of those

belgun will stay since it's easier to have access to

[meager dawn]

So the CL gun from the event is good?

[oblique marsh]

That can be said the same as the 138.6mm gun. Not anyone has more than 1 gold and yet it's recommended as one of the best slot in some ships. The belgun can be downgraded to "situational"

[meager dawn]

How is the new DD gun?

[vague token]

dont put the cl gun on bbs

the bullets wont reach

except maybe mid slot

nepgun on flanks will be better cause they gotta shoot so far

[zenith tundra]

maybe bismark

[vague token]

the spread isnt too bad

biscuit should be able to make it work

[zenith tundra]

the new dd should be usable by vg ships and backlines with dd aux. the problem is it does low dmg on heavy so idk if is should be better or worse then 138.6

[vague token]

well, it should be fine BUT you only get one

two in a year when it reruns

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use that as aux for azuma tbh since she always reaches backlines

[vague token]

so basically kitakaze uses it

until you get the 2nd one

xD

why couldnt we farm that in d3 =(

[zenith tundra]

even if i store it on kita/tash idk if i'll use those that much

[vague token]

well there's that too

since we only get 1 you have to shuffle it around

[meager dawn]

New dd gun is better than twin 100mm for kitakaze?

[vague token]

that gun has crazy base damage

so you trade barrage rng for consistent gun dps

it's more of auto friendly

[zenith tundra]

they are kind of the same but since 130 has more mg dmg u lose less on auto with barrage

[meager dawn]

twin 130mm is normal*?

they're using * now for ammo types

[zenith tundra]

they'll run out of symbols soon lol

unless we get like **

[meager dawn]

Why wont they just make it as Normal++

They did that to CL guns

[zenith tundra]

i think it's because they have different modifiers

it's not a straight upgrade to +

[meager dawn]

Oh, more dmg to heavy but less dmg to med

[vague token]

they should have called this one normal+

then deleted the normal+ on the 76mm

because that is the only gun with current normal+

which basically doesnt even matter because it's the 76mm

[keen sparrow]

if new dd gun is HE that will be more op ,

new cl gun in belfast coz dun have setle gun!

[meager dawn]

Why does the 76mm have that ammo type

[zenith tundra]

ask the devs lol

[vague token]

because

[elder crane]

Kita just uses the new gun period as BiS

[vague token]

reasons

[keen sparrow]

dev drunk

[elder crane]

you lose less barrage damage than you gain main gun damage

so yeah

[vague token]

they could have given it HE++ and it's still the 76mm in the end

[elder crane]

even at 200% mod it'd still be meme

[zenith tundra]

it's still used whatever the mods are by those ships

[elder crane]

the new CL gun will be shit for BB aux, although better than all the other crap for non-PR
it has the same ammo range as 155/normal CL guns

[charred sable]

Just make a pictorial guide of all the current PvP T0/T1 ships and their best gear (BIS, 2nd best, then fallback)

[elder crane]

and for anyone who remembers when that was run, those things don't hit anything 90% of the time even on flag

[vague token]

belgun only hits because of the spread xD

[elder crane]

the ammo fizzed before targeting failed

[vague token]

area saturation

then you just pray enemy vg moves into it

[elder crane]

yeah, the spread isn't even bad since the velocity was so slow
you basically rely on movement RNG to hit anyways

[keen sparrow]

pray ur AI bait enemy VG to ur main

[vague token]

if i get a 2nd one ill try it on biscuit

big if though

[zenith tundra]

i will just put mk5 as vg alternative since main should get seattle gun 1st

did en get seiran?

[vague token]

who? xD

[zenith tundra]

better seaplanes in core data

[vague token]

oh, our core data didnt update this month

maybe next month

[zenith tundra]

how far are people from dev 25 fdg? any dev 20+ in pvp comps yet in en?

[vague token]

i saw a guy with dev 25 stuff

120 oathed

he was just running 3:3 pr2s xd

[zenith tundra]

how do u know it was 25 not 20?

[vague token]

oh true

just had 5 stars i think so

[keen sparrow]

i saw a few ppl azuman n fdg 5star

[zenith tundra]

azuma is already in tl since she can be used earlier then fdg. i'm just asking so i know when to put fdg in tl too

[eager cedar]

i saw a dev20 azuma the other day

[zenith tundra]

i guess i'll wait 1 more month

[hot creek]

havent seen any 5 star DR's on sandy yet

I could flex my own but they're not even 120 max aff yet

oil shortage ever since that stupid polaris event

[zenith tundra]

i started the event with 25k oil since i have to blew up 98 mails and 900 gems on russiya

[eager cedar]

jfc

[zenith tundra]

i wasted like 11k oil on food alone

[hot creek]

I guess I could stop spamming 1200 oil comms but they're actually a great source of cubes.

I just have to wait til theres downtime. Then ill have some extra oil to max out zoomer/fdg

[vague token]

still floating 20+ mail

xD

[zenith tundra]

i have 4 left lol. all of them oil only and soon i'll need that oil too

[hot creek]

Oh yeah, mail oil. I guess I could tap into that. Probably should since the hoarding is becoming excessive.

[shell heron]

My projects are too spread out. I want to focus on Azuma, but I've been gettig more FdG ones recentlt

[eager cedar]

it be like that sometimes

[zenith tundra]

i didn't focus on any of them but even so ended up using most of my general dr on fdg so i could catch her to azuma. i ended up dev 30 both at the same time

[keen sparrow]

in sandy i only found 2 azumam 5 star n 1 fdg 5 star, this 1 fleet rly anoying 5 reset to win lul

[eager cedar]

[zenith tundra]

this is the toughest def fleet i found around so i copied it

[coral wren]

having 0 good KMS ships kinda locked me out of fdg

Tirpitz sucks at taking mvp

[zenith tundra]

she is like ws. she doesn't need any buff to be broken

[coral wren]

what is the fastest BB gun in the game?

[zenith tundra]

283mm i think

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_283mm_(SK_C/34)

[coral wren]

Oh thank you

[zenith tundra]

it's trash tho so don't use it

if u need a fast gun twin 381 is the good one

[coral wren]

I'm gonna see if I have those first. most of my BB ships are equipped with kgv gun kek

They fire after 20 secs

I really need a faster BB gun with good dps

[zenith tundra]

twin 381 is from research. another fast one with better damage is twin 406 from research too

[frail orbit]

And who tf putting KGV gun on every one other than KGV? Keks

Thing is

U wanna start research ASAP

[zenith tundra]

i use kgv gun when i want to slow down mg shoots

aka testing other ships and don't want someone else to shoot

[vague token]

is kgv gun slower than default gun? xD

[coral wren]

I put it on ships for the spread which is good for mob clearing but very slow

[zenith tundra]

it is for erebus for sure

+0 kgv gun is slower then default ones

[vague token]

oh i guess it would depend on which ship has what default gun

xD

[keen sparrow]

i hate zuma that burn into my backline 550/s

n my bb seems never burn any backline

[coral wren]

that "worst" pr 1 ship is kinda destroying my fleet rn

Izumo is too hard to kill

[keen sparrow]

worst who?

oh i found that izumo,nagato,amagi

[coral wren]

She took a 10k crit and owarida but still survives

[keen sparrow]

[coral wren]

I'm not even sure how it's possible to be that tanky

[zenith tundra]

her base hp is really high

[coral wren]

Oh I just checked mine. I guess it's because of my ap gun

Both my amagi and warkai is holding AP gun

[zenith tundra]

why use ap guns?

the only good ap gun in pvp is 457

[coral wren]

To delet hiryuu

It's been effective so far

[zenith tundra]

2 ap guns seems overkill anyway

[keen sparrow]

my fleet dnt bully a useless queen

[zenith tundra]

plus u lose dmg to vg

[coral wren]

yeah but killing enemy vg is my torp meme's job

HMS fleets needs to be deleted

[sterile bluff]

r torp memes good in pvp? cuz u know... auto

[keen sparrow]

buff slave

[vague token]

on defense they're ok

cause if you whiff vanguard

they can hit main

offense torps are larger gamble

cause they usually dont reach the main

[sterile bluff]

ye

[coral wren]

I've been using torp meme for a year now

[sterile bluff]

and ur thoughts?

[coral wren]

constantly getting admiral of navy

Successful gensui rush Everytime

[keen sparrow]

torp meme in def more scarry

[zenith tundra]

i haven't been using torp memes at all and i never need to reset to win

[sterile bluff]

can u gimme a torpmeme vg that i can copy paste? lol i just wanna stop losing in pvp

[coral wren]

But resetting 20x till you win is fun

It's like gambling

[keen sparrow]

20x

[coral wren]

don't you have ayanami?

[zenith tundra]

don't use torp memes if u want consistent wins....

[coral wren]

aya, jintsu

Add whatever useless vg you want for third

Maybe yukikaze if you got her

[sterile bluff]

ok

thx 😛

[zenith tundra]

noshiro aya jintsuu/ibuki sounds like the best comps

[sterile bluff]

i just wanna have some fun

[coral wren]

I'm really grinding my noshiro rn

[sterile bluff]

i dont have noshiro

[coral wren]

Wait why

[sterile bluff]

XD

[coral wren]

You didn't pull?

[sterile bluff]

dude im a fkin noob at this game

[coral wren]

everyone was a noob at some point mang

[sterile bluff]

:PP

[keen sparrow]

noshiro,jintsu,nanoda
or want more kaboom buki,noshiro,nanoda

[coral wren]

I'm asking u why u didn't pull on her banner

[sterile bluff]

wdym

[coral wren]

Maybe you're unlucky

[sterile bluff]

i didnt join when her event was active

[coral wren]

OH

[sterile bluff]

she is event limited so...

rip my ass

[midnight heron]

wanna try torp meme but torp meme not lvled

[coral wren]

yeah guess you could settle for jintsu

my jintsuu and Aya has been nuking things for a year

[sterile bluff]

oof

[coral wren]

Now noshiro will replace my jintsuu soon

[keen sparrow]

using lv1 torp meme

[sterile bluff]

fuck me gotta wait for a while for her event's rerun

[coral wren]

I leveled my hiryuu for no god damn reason

I can't even use her

[sterile bluff]

should i use hiryuu solo?

[midnight heron]

just put on def to annoy ppl

[coral wren]

Yeah I feel like that's her only purpose.

[sterile bluff]

oof

[coral wren]

Reset in 40mins

that juneau on def fleet to annoy people.
maybe I should replace enty with hiryuu

[keen sparrow]

replace enty with saruga for more dmg reduc

[ionic magnet]

recommending torp memes without aurora

[coral wren]

my surugay is low

[zenith tundra]

why do u need aurora when u have nagato?

[coral wren]

You rarely see a full DD team now

[midnight heron]

suruga more like pepega

[keen sparrow]

[coral wren]

surugaylord

[ionic magnet]

aurora removes evasion rng

nagato or not

[midnight heron]

full dd teams can actually stall u with gud rng tho

[zenith tundra]

also does -0 dmg

[midnight heron]

met some ass face using full dd dodging every barrage in 1 match

[ionic magnet]

its no coincedence that the best torp memes i faced are all using aurora

[coral wren]

you need insta nuke

If it don't work on first trade, reset

[zenith tundra]

aurora does nothing to azuma tho

[ionic magnet]

it just gurantees that enemy VG wil die if a torp hits

pls

azuma is not in en yet

[coral wren]

she is

[ionic magnet]

not for a long time

[coral wren]

Some people are already using her

[ionic magnet]

more like zero

im talking about optimized azuma

[coral wren]

I faced one that could eat a whole ayaya torp

Despite being 4 star

They still lose tho

[ionic magnet]

yea retire your ayaya

[coral wren]

Nah man

Retire azuma

[ionic magnet]

[keen sparrow]

[coral wren]

yostar need to be slapped for releasing broken ships

[keen sparrow]

release the kraken

[zenith tundra]

too bad u cannot get rid of pr ships

[keen sparrow]

i want slave queen retro

[ionic magnet]

more broken ships to balance

[coral wren]

Here's your optimized azuma bro

[keen sparrow]

slave queen nid accuary buff

[ionic magnet]

3 star

[coral wren]

That 643 power level can destroy everything

[keen sparrow]

for hms

[coral wren]

Top tier ship

[ionic magnet]

she deserves a better shikikan

[coral wren]

I'm levelling the Russian ships so she can wait

I want that chat banner

[ionic magnet]

you cant spare 1 slot for best ship

[coral wren]

Kitakaze is currently taking 1 spot

I wish they could add exp on the 2nd dorm..

[ionic magnet]

this is why en will take few more months before i see some azuma

[coral wren]

Isn't that a good thing tho?

I honestly wish they don't appear in pvp at all

[ionic magnet]

maybe

i just want to test comps vs her

[coral wren]

my days of running torp meme is over once they appear

fdg too.

I don't have any methods of getting her because I've been neglecting KMS ships

[ionic magnet]

you shouldve retired them long time ago anyway

[coral wren]

Why retire em if they works

[keen sparrow]

fdg n azuma dev 30 come my meme fleet will get rekt

[coral wren]

[ionic magnet]

theres a word for ppl like you

who wants to suffer

[coral wren]

I'm honestly more scared of fdg

[ionic magnet]

[keen sparrow]

[coral wren]

Like seriously why does a ship like that exists

Did anyone on yostar sit down and think for a moment before releasing her "hey this is totally balanced, huh?"

But then again, pvp is not really their priority

[vague token]

at least we dont have a ultra tank with 0 damage

[midnight heron]

its balanced cuz everyone can get her

[coral wren]

yeah

[keen sparrow]

even azuma dev 20+ is rekt my fleet

[ionic magnet]

shes made to balance her faction

[keen sparrow]

that puppy alwys die in gud timing

[coral wren]

so they balance the faction when she doesn't even work on a KMS pvp fleet

KMS will forever be a joke in pvp

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

fdg is just a bullet sponge in pvp unless she uses 457 in which case she can do dmg too. her most notorious offensive feature is a 1s fire but not much outside of that really for dmg

[coral wren]

That azuma who ate 2 enty owarida

[keen sparrow]

dnt worry biscuit retro soon for kms

[vague token]

i mean a ship that has tank skills and 0 offensive skills

[coral wren]

oh so she doesn't really have that much of s threat

If I just kill everything first before fdg, I can still win pvp

[ionic magnet]

level your fdgs fast
i wanna bulli her already

[coral wren]

gonna film myself killing her

[zenith tundra]

u won't bully fdg she just laughs at ur attacks

[coral wren]

I'm working on a Dev 30 kitakaze

[midnight heron]

jokes on u i havent unlock fdg yet

[coral wren]

Same. I got shit kms backline

They can't even take mvp

[ionic magnet]

lazy ppl go grind

[coral wren]

So pitiful

[midnight heron]

its just the worst ship to grind cuz i only got like 5 kms backline ships

just gonna unlock last

[keen sparrow]

kms is the forgeten faction

[midnight heron]

even gascan uses kms

so at least in total i can use more

[coral wren]

My nimi is higher leveled than my backline

I should just kms

[zenith tundra]

my nimi never saw water

[midnight heron]

and if i count USABLE kms ships its only 3

[coral wren]

I needed her for unlocking ayaya

[keen sparrow]

my nimi forover 70

[ionic magnet]

fdg grind just needs 1 kms ship if you put your heart on it

[midnight heron]

cuz lul who even lvled scharn/gnei

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

in jp u unlock nimi so u never use her

[coral wren]

my fucking submarine is higher leveled than my BBs

kek

I feel sorry for my kms ships

remember the roon hype

[ionic magnet]

i just used tirpitz and bismarck actually
so theyre ready to go straight to lv 130 when they increase lv cap

[coral wren]

I see 0 roon in pvp

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I'm not sure how to do a 1:1 grind on Russian event right now

My Phoenix is weak as shit and the air control thing is annoying

[zenith tundra]

i remember people in this channel hyping saint a lot

[coral wren]

they should've just let that cancer mechanics on world 13

[ionic magnet]

lol yea

the moment they announced pr1

ppl were like

oh im going SL first for pvp

[coral wren]

saint who?

kek

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

sainta claus

[coral wren]

poor overhyped ships

forgotten

[vague token]

that was when i thought CAs could do damage but rip angles

[zenith tundra]

well speed at that time wasn't really that meta as now

[coral wren]

my beaver squad is stealing mvp on tirpz and bisko

[shell heron]

oh time to begin moving

8 matches to go and 17 minutes to do so

don't want to get stalled again

[coral wren]

how many minutes do u have to wait for the perfect rush?

[shell heron]

2 minutes per match you have left

you can do 1.5 but that is risky

[midnight heron]

lost 5 ticks but somehow only 30 pts behind my usual score

[shy hazel]

im done

[shell heron]

95

looks like I wait another minute before moving

[shy hazel]

i didnt get any -

[empty grove]

Wow

Some EOS luck for once

[hot creek]

take my energy つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

[shell heron]

it has begun

2/10 and i need a refresh

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

fuck, used all my refreshes and still got screwed

Noooo, I'm stuck with all these 2593 losers

[hot creek]

DST next week so I won't have to rush an hour before class starts anymore

Didn't eat a single +9 or +8

(cause im already two matches down)

[coral wren]

new season, new rush

[shell heron]

whoops forgot to SS the results

All I know is there are 5 93 EoS losers and I'm one of them

you know the best part, 4 refreshes didn't give me a +0 match, but I got r2 at the end

[shy hazel]

didnt take ss too

[empty grove]

Now back to farming

[coral wren]

What in the actual hell is this network error

Im in a middle of rushing

[midnight heron]

yea sandy always has problems at reset

other servers dont hav such issues

[coral wren]

this is my first time experiencing server problem on Sandy. Did a mass player migration happened or something

[midnight heron]

maybe sandy got bad servers

[split socket]

first time happening for me :/

[coral wren]

too many players?

[hot creek]

yeah im wondering 10 mins already passed but ppl moving slowly lol

[zenith tundra]

didn't sandy have problems after maint?

[coral wren]

Yeah.

[midnight heron]

it did but the mods explained it as too many players tryna login at once

now unless dis happens everyday i dont see y its been consistently happening

[coral wren]

Ok it's back

[zenith tundra]

so it might be because of player amount

[hot creek]

too many sandbaggers relogging at once

[coral wren]

Lol that must be it

[midnight heron]

sandybaggers

[coral wren]

Well thanks to that wait, some dude moved

[split socket]

wouldn't be surprised if that was actually it smh

[coral wren]

getting em 25

[hot creek]

guy on my list got to 60 pt and stopped rushing

[coral wren]

I'm gonna hold on my 1 ticket for later too

[hot creek]

ill give him 2 more minutes before I eat him.

[coral wren]

actually some people are moving so fast so it's not gonna change anything even if I wait for hours

Lvl 110+ players

Kek I'm on the screenshot of that guy in #tech-support

[hot creek]

lul

[coral wren]

He also destroyed my fleet

What a chad

[midnight heron]

great

[zenith tundra]

rip server

[keen sparrow]

[shy hazel]

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

[upper sparrow]

[shy hazel]

big brain strats

[vale rapids]

Would nepgun with piercing even good in pvp to hit multiple VG at the same time?

[forest lake]

Wut

[eager cedar]

[frail orbit]

For wut anyway

BB aux?

[vale rapids]

Generally?

BB and and CL VG

I mean, if nepgun hit 2 instead of 1 enemy, it can possibly does more dps than seattle gun, which only hit 1

[forest lake]

You put it on BBs for its range
You'd want to stick to HE on VGs to refresh fires

[frail orbit]

^

Even then

Scuttle gun better DPS

Same range too

[forest lake]

Scuttle gun has slightly higher range

But it doesn't hit as much as Nepgun on super fast fleets

[frail orbit]

Ye

Longer reload anyway

But hey, 2x3 and almost zero volley time so

0.15 tho but well

2x3

[forest lake]

Wait nvm same range
Shell speed of Scuttle gun is slower than Nepgun too which makes it harder to hit fast fleets

[frail orbit]

Just HE shell problem

Perhaps if against Tashkent def fleet

Gonna be derp

On twin boiler for extra IAMSPEED memes

[forest lake]

To keep it short, Scuttle gun>Nepgun as BB aux in the sense that you can get high fire damage up early on and deal more DPS on paper

[frail orbit]

And the advent of Azuma meta perhaps just make it easier anyway

To make enemy VGs getting hit

But well
Need to account enemy beaver on backline too

Same reason why noshi wants nepgun anyway

[buoyant parrot]

Are the Russian guns good for pvp?

[forest lake]

New CL gun should be a better Belgun for VG
DD gun has highest DPS against Light/Med

DD gun has a p low RoF so keep that in mind

[frail orbit]

^

[buoyant parrot]

Good thing to know

[elder crane]

Btw the range thing has some funny things going on
Higher velocity shells (like AP from Nepgun) apparently seem to have longer range than expected relative to lower-velocity shells (like HE from Seattlegun), probably due to some quirk of how the game calculates things

[frail orbit]

All when SHS AP shells being heavier than ur usual HE

[shell heron]

Oh no. Viable torp meme is spreading

It's like looking in a mirror

[tough dirge]

how come I dont have 141 points as well when i did the most left opponents, how does this work? quote pls am at work

[coral wren]

tfw got fucked over by a juneau who refused to die and made me lose in early rush

that juneau was on my fleet

[elder crane]

You either didn't RNG into or didn't wait for your opponents to climb rank first

More bonuses the more they climb

[shell heron]

you pushed too fast

leftmost opponents doesn't mean bonus points if they don't move

[eager cedar]

need to sandbag for more points

[ripe latch]

[tough dirge]

ooh okay

so whats sandbagging

[vague token]

it's basically wait a bit for the players on your list to play their matches

because the amount of points you get is increased the more points the defender has

so if someone does say 5 matches and then you attack them

you would get a large amount of bonus points

compared to someone who hasnt done any yet

[tough dirge]

ooh okay

Can this be checked for when they do that

[vague token]

so you have to guess sometimes because you cant see the points of people who are not top 100

but you can force refresh their rank (not their points) by relogging

so if you see their rank increase a lot you'll know they've used matches

[tough dirge]

thanks a lot

[tough dirge]

cant quite see it happening

lulw

maybe check on it more frequently

OH the thing happened, some guy went from 4500 to 4200 pog

[shell heron]

that's prob not enough for bonus points

but maybe a +1

but yes, welcome to sandbagging

or camping to some

[shy hazel]

[eager cedar]

[shy hazel]

once u get used to it

can top 10 easily

anytime

lets see

[eager cedar]

and some servers are easier to gensui eos than others

[shy hazel]

i have 970k pvp points

30k to go

then quit

[shell heron]

you're 120k more than me

[eager cedar]

[shy hazel]

wonder if it caps at 999999

i doubt it tho

[shell heron]

there's a cap at some point

[eager cedar]

that would be quite funny if it was 999k

[shell heron]

but I don't know how many people are like us and hoard merits

[eager cedar]

and i thought my 500k+ was a lot

[shell heron]

average start. 143

gonna be another dead season I feel

[shy hazel]

p normal

initials dont matter much to me

148 tho

higher than pleb cay

[shell heron]

Yes, I'm a pleb. So tell these losers I fought to move more

[tough dirge]

i just spend it on eldridge for % but even then im far from that

btw fuck b3 change my mind

[tough dirge]

@grim ember

u

oh hell yea im doing it

this guy goin on fire hell yeah

[frail orbit]

Dehm siriusly tho

[tough dirge]

oh yeah i had question

what if you run out of attempts and degrade hella many ranks, vice versa?

[eager cedar]

"degrade hella many ranks, vice versa?"

what exactly are you asking here?

[shy hazel]

pvp is going back to normal tbh

ppl are finished with pr2

[shell heron]

lots of 90+ last season

compared to before that where 86 was the cut off

All I need was one more +10 and I wouldn't have been part of the 93 loser club

[eager cedar]

too many 90+

then again, i was forced to do some +9 towards the end

[shy hazel]

95

i wasnt even trying

[tough dirge]

im asking if i should sandbag when i decay

in ranks

[shell heron]

you're not really decaying but your position moves down due to others moving up

but yes, always sandbag and fight those that moved on your left most if you want to get more bonus points

[charred sable]

Which secondary gun for Nagato?

[hot creek]

confirm

also Sandy should be using DD guns instead

[cobalt karma]

Pvp in a nutshell

[ionic magnet]

[cobalt karma]

Could be worse

His entire fleet could've gotten rolled by an Enty

[elder crane]

@charred sable for offense, personal preference really imo
For defense, mk17

The magic of no-panequipment

[hot creek]

Enty is the true noob slayer.

Remembers losing to an Enterprise last week

oh shit

[elder crane]

Losing to an enty in 2k20

Go back to your last decade, old geezer

[hot creek]

I wasn't paying attention to the match . It happens sometimes when Centaur is dead.

[frail orbit]

Also @charred sable who tf placed CL gun on Sandy . . .

[charred sable]

@frail orbit I just randomly picked her to wear the gun to use for stat comparisons against other guns

[frail orbit]

[whole terrace]

Hi, I'm trying sandbagging for the first time so I'm not sure what I'm doing. Do I wait until the leftmost player has used 5 attacks, to attack them? Or do they just have to use at least 1 attack

[hot creek]

Definitely more than one attack. At least three. Usually five.

[whole terrace]

ok and does that grant me an extra point or something

like 11 instead of 10

[forest lake]

A 35 point difference gives +1 point

[hot creek]

it scales depending on how many points you currently have.

right now its early season and most people will be around 300 or so points

base score will be 17 until you reach 400 points. A good bonus match would net you 20-21 points

after 400 points base will be 15 and a good bonus gets you around 17-19 points

[whole terrace]

Hm ok. I'm at 8/10 attacks remaining and I have 281 seasonal points. I haven't missed any attacks, but I didn't always attack the leftmost for the first 10 attacks.

What if no one moves after a few hours or so

or is that rare

[hot creek]

well then you just got unlucky. Late season it happens more often though.

If you keep up in points it can be hard to get a bonus even if someone does move.

[whole terrace]

ok i think i get the basics.

[high bay]

i forgot to do my extra 5 attacks before season reset so i might struggle a bit this season

[midnight heron]

only 15% slow D:<

[ripe latch]

finally good food

[coral wren]

What's a good ship to add to a Noshiro + Yukikaze vanguard that's not Azuma or Juneau?

[karmic forum]

Ibuki

[empty owl]

Should I give Yuk the new 130 gun or keep her with the 100mm

[forest lake]

Keep the 100

Not like she's gonna do much gun damage anyway

[eager cedar]

eldridge

[empty owl]

Umu ok

[forest lake]

[empty owl]

I-I've been saying Umu to people in conversations.... I just thankful no one says anything

[coral wren]

https://tenor.com/view/akairo-azur-lane-vodka-gif-16055942

[whole terrace]

Alright so okabe here's finally moved after about 8 hours. Worth attacking or nah? It looks like they've only attacked once though

[midnight heron]

such small rank diff prob means small point diff as well

he prob only did 1 match

[past egret]

<forgot the reset was yesterday and thought it was next Monday

Time to become food for everyone and become rusher this season

[frail orbit]

Be a good food then

[whole terrace]

ok i'll just have to wait longer.

[coral wren]

@karmic forum Really?

[plain carbon]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_457mm_(Mark_A_Prototype) Anyone tried out this gun?

[tough dirge]

when my attempts refresh should i wait or just attack before they derank

[high bay]

be like me

only rush, no sandbags

[frail orbit]

457?
Am not even on CN JP

[karmic forum]

@coral wren Ibuki works well with Noshiro and if you're going run Noshiro+Ykkz you could easily make it a torp comp with Ibuki

[whole terrace]

No one made more than 1 attack after 10 hours - pretty frustrating. Is it always like this

[eager cedar]

is no one moves after 5 hours, i generally refresh list

[hot creek]

refreshing list after that long doesnt do anything. youll just end up with people who already did their matches