i like it
#pvp
coral wren
Good shit, no ivan biased is good news
ripe latch
target barrage? 
midnight heron
pretty much perma slow once u hit once
ripe latch
yuki counter
coral wren
Gangut doesnโt even have a barrage, lmao
shy hazel
if that thing is dank enuf to survive longer
and has sufficient slow
can be used maybe
coral wren
Frost fairy
sharp wing
well, it's rando 20-50
coral wren
Slow amount is unknown? For such a long time it should be pretty meh
ionic magnet
idk it looks good in that clip
sharp wing
and u know... DD...
coral wren
Inb4 hotfixed
sharp wing
soyuz barrage is kinda fun lol
But need numbers
numbers
And need guns data
these gun dds have 155%+ mg eff lol
but non existent torps
midnight heron
if u get torped early u gon reset anyway so 
sharp wing
I think pamyat has wrong lb2 stat
in datamine
says mg+1
WTF
it's toprbote
ib4 we get another 2 mg torpbote
Torpedoes what 
Just take yr own torpedoes 
karmic forum
Pamiat is already bad enough you want to take away her MGM+1?
midnight heron
keen sparrow
if trashkent have some self protect skill like 
or elderidge she will gud
sharp wing
When enemy bring torpedoes, counter with torpedoes 
keen sparrow
keen sparrow
sharp wing
Now, I try to remember if I fed my waifus before maint...
Noshi still not 120, hit 200 early
elder crane
Pamyat is correct, she gets MGM+1 like Avrora instead of torp preload/stacking
karmic forum
elder crane
Soyuz barrage numbers look roughly Monarch tier, post-buff (about 18% worse pre-buff)
Her hit stat though is lolz tier of bad, 60 hit base or so, so she's not much better than Monarch at hitting things
Looks like budget Seattlegun then
karmic forum
Pretty much
sharp wing
Ned numbers
karmic forum
They're on the wiki
forest lake
Did I see new Seattle gun
elder crane
170 special AP 40/120/135 for main shots
forest lake
But better
sharp wing
it's seattle gun w/ more FP
elder crane
It's worse
sharp wing
raw dps worse
forest lake
Oh
elder crane
Slower load for same salvo dmg
sharp wing
and worse ammo
elder crane
5% less on med and heavy
karmic forum
Only slightly worse
forest lake
How about the range tho
elder crane
It actually has PR range
karmic forum
Too bad you can only have 1
forest lake
Nani
sharp wing
more spread and less firing angle
sharp wing
nah
elder crane
Maybe
sharp wing
less range
elder crane
I saw 68 targeting for datamine
sharp wing
and seattle 70
forest lake
sharp wing
ammo range still needed when vg runs back
sharp wing
but spread more improtant
elder crane
Spread doesn't matter for main fleet CL HE aux in PvP
frail orbit
Now kinda interested for it on pvp use on uss bb tho . . .
Also on jihood train
sharp wing
new gun same spread as belgun
forest lake
Yuck
elder crane
It's less, no?
frail orbit
Eh wut
elder crane
Yeah, nothing like belgun
elder crane
Maaaaybe a bit worse than Seattle gun
But that doesn't matter for main fleet aux in PvP
frail orbit
Being scuttlegun but cheapskate and more accessible keks
sharp wing
says same 18 as belgun
elder crane
Looool
frail orbit
See that gif bruh
elder crane
Trusting ingame stats
frail orbit
sharp wing
just not fixed pattern like belgun
elder crane
You realize those spread numbers are pulled out of dev's ass for vanguard guns?
frail orbit
^
elder crane
Up to 18 but RNG means something like 40% less spread than fixed 18 anyways
sharp wing
it doesn't look converging either tho
elder crane
Also vanguard moves fast enough relative to slow HE shells that that spread isn't a negative in PvP
Seattle gun isn't converging either
Neither is Nepgun
Anyways
Comes down to if you value
FP and velocity of Nepgun
FP and DpS of this gun
AA and higher DpS on Seattlegun
When it comes to aux gun selection
Also I need to crunch numbers for new DD gun on Kitakaze later
frail orbit
Anyway am asking tho about the new twin dd gun, perhaps on jihood train as bb aux replacing twin 120?
sharp wing
is it ap or what?
sharp wing
lol
elder crane
100/55/25 or something like that
sharp wing
why would u use anything but breadgun for trains?
elder crane
But raw DpS is high af
35 FP as well
It has better on-paper DpS vs light and med than 138 I think
frail orbit
Breadgun being breadgun so
Just me being interested more into it for non USS BBs that only could equip DD guns aux anyway
elder crane
In any case, a significant boost over twin 100 mm, so potentially interesting on Kitakaze
frail orbit
If what we're talking about being a better twin 100 gold, then well aint ya need to account KTKZ skill with IJN DD gun tho?
Obviously it's better but . . .
frail orbit
I'd prefer it on someone who's being a barrage CL cough best AAtlantas cough Dido class cough
Since u know
I dont have any gold 138
Skipping Iris for fooken OSCE 
elder crane
But why
The single 130 should be better on those, I think
frail orbit
If for non barrage gunbote then I already have purple 138 and twin 127 gold
But for barrage gunbote tho
sharp wing
u have chinagun
elder crane
The twin 130 is slow af to fire
sharp wing
chinagun second dps after 138
elder crane
Btw single 130 is Russian, not chinese, relevant for Tashkent skill
frail orbit
Ye but thing is
Single 130 more reserved for mobbing at least for me
That vodka induced shots tbh
elder crane
Twin 130 literally slower to load than single 138
frail orbit
That too
But at least
A bit better than well
Purp 138
But am not gonna put that for bossing use really
That 130 single
elder crane
Idk, seems fine to me
frail orbit
130 obviously t3
elder crane
Single 130 is almost as much DpS as gold 138, yeah
sharp wing
t2 138 slightly wins over 127
frail orbit
Cant even do manual atm
My time already split between honk n azur keks
elder crane
120 mm you mean
elder crane
It wins after you add in the 5 extra FP
sharp wing
well, till u face anything heavy armored
elder crane
Lol at relying on DD gun vs heavy
sharp wing
and well burns something
frail orbit
And this being dd gun
Didya expect it to burn anything? Derp
elder crane
Lol at thinking DD guns even cause burns really
sharp wing
well, running heavy mobs w/ 120 succ
frail orbit
Keks
elder crane
1% fire chance
frail orbit
U gotta be CA gun or BB gun anyway for burns
elder crane
Also lol at burn refresh even mattering in mobs
elder crane
Firerate is only like 4x worse
frail orbit
elder crane
So literally twice the burns
Also CA fires aren't nothing
DD fires only good for refresh
sharp wing
counting projectles/sec
frail orbit
Dem light bosses
steady heath
News from cn servers: Soviet ships are very strong
elder crane
What's Chappy barrage skill look like anyways
Like Sandyret?
Or tighter?
Or less tight?
frail orbit
I think this is it
https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/b/b1/c176f84207kcombk9ni0ptd2u7jl8xc.gif
From ALEC
elder crane
Not terrible
frail orbit
On bili sourced
elder crane
Chappy seems like premium Cleve class on the surface damage then
Soyuz is like Russian Monarch roughly, which is pretty good
steady heath
Chappy...
sharp wing
wish tyhey gave her actual bulk like she deserves tho
elder crane
Tash is like a Z23 with significantly boosted survivability at least, seems like also boosted damage?
Better light DpS than kita, slightly worse med, lot worse heavy, but is mostly gun damage instead of the hybrid of kitakaze
None look particularly PvP though
sharp wing
russian dds have good fp and 155% + eff but no torps
and no torps for pvp is pepega
elder crane
Also survivability is no Noshiro/Ykkz/Azuma
sharp wing
well, can't comapre DD to non dd
and nanoda is busted
ppl still use aya so whatever anyway
elder crane
The slow seems very PvP designed given timing window, but meeeeeeeh
elder crane
I'll just consider it free damage in PvE
sharp wing
she will basically die with slow by the time it will matter
elder crane
Well, it's nice for BB aux
Also her survivability is fine enough for 25-30 s reliable survival time if not leading
Still chonky HP with high luck
sharp wing
Doubt
elder crane
Also
48 speed bois
elder crane
Not really unless she's leading
sharp wing
lol what not really
elder crane
I haven't seen that at all, minus like the extremely rare facetrade with torpmemes taking down about half her HP
sharp wing
that's how half of matches are for me
cause 80% are torpmemes
esp buki aurora scary shit
elder crane
- torpmemes
- facetrade
Also facetrading a nonproper torpmemes is free win since you actually win the trade
elder crane
What meme fleet you running now
cloud pumice
Tashnet shouldn't be squishier than, let's say, Aurora, especially considering DD PvP buffs. As long as she lives until BB savlos, she has potential, even if not meta breaking.
sharp wing
lol, aurora...
finite valve
these are all the event build right?
midnight heron
she just needs to slow till your barrages delete enemy vg in 1 shot 
finite valve
๐
zenith tundra
almost 200k gold and still need the bb
forest lake
forest lake
sharp wing
Who killed the rabbit
forest lake
Eyja
sharp wing
I had Eyja from day 1...
forest lake
sharp wing
still using rabbit, cause second best single target caster anyway
forest lake
forest lake
both are very punchable anyway
sharp wing
forest lake
sharp wing
forest lake
Scrap them
shy hazel
i dont scrap unique ships
zenith tundra
<@&472236072743600148> is emote spam what this chat is supposed to be? every time i come in here all i see are emotes...
forest lake
ionic magnet
forest lake
ionic magnet
40 rolls got everything
zenith tundra
500 slots doesn't feel cramped for me tbh
ionic magnet
living Cay's life is nice
shy hazel
so tell me is trashkent is useful
ionic magnet
shy hazel
frigid flax
@zenith tundra no need to ping for that......
viscid lynx
ionic magnet
if you mean if she will replace azuma/ykkz/jun then no
sharp wing
frigid flax
besides, emote spam is more like......one message containing lines of emotes
or reaction spam on every post
sharp wing
imagine replacing Nanoda
zenith tundra
30 messages in a row of emotes from 2 people
ionic magnet
but i can see her being used for sure
zenith tundra
if that isn't spam then idk
ionic magnet
im not even talking here anymore 
sharp wing
zenith tundra
well i got the message. people just spamming emotes is fine in here. time to take my leave then
forest lake
midnight heron
yea i came in 9mins after server up but cant do much shit
just infinite manjuu loading
ripe latch
sharp wing
midnight heron
fun pvp
sharp wing
ripe latch
sharp wing
go outside and pvp
midnight heron
im a pussy tho
midnight heron
will get rekt irl pvp
midnight heron
shikicant
sharp wing
midnight heron
also i got reminded dat theres new dorm set and i spent almost all coin on those 2 sets on previous update 
split socket
valentine day ?
split socket
it was new furniture though, unless I also missed it somehow smh....
midnight heron
was prob poor af last year i was still a noob
midnight heron
ripe latch
Every 15 seconds, there is a 40.0% (70.0%) probability of triggering a special barrage. The special barrage can cause a special ignition effect for 6 seconds.
nani
midnight heron
inb4 stack with burn + flood 
midnight heron
is there anything tashCANT do
midnight heron
just a wider belfast barrage kek
ripe latch
midnight heron
tashkent just reminds me of z46
frail orbit
Kek Sandy
Cant open my smurf lel
At least Avrora main is fine UwU
keen sparrow
4more hrs till reset n im slepy rip 5 ticket
coral wren
are we going to get rekt by the server error till next reset
midnight heron
just ๐
past egret
Have we seen Sovietsky barrage
karmic forum
past egret
Interesting
ripe latch
usless
finite valve
iam more interested on how to get that kind of screen
coral wren
is the server back
untold island
pvp is not working
but server kinda back
got stuck again
just got kicked out of pvp
fml
coral wren
Russian hackers killing the server
vague token
usually that is a loss for enterprise
elder crane
Gotta get very lucky, yep
elder crane
Have I told you my story about enemy ykkz trolling me?
1v4 my fleet, main fleet all high HP, my ykkz half HP, and won
Backline was Namagi Hiryuu too
Somehow just literally dodged everything
coral wren
no one uses Noshiro on pvp
coral wren
i do too but besides you just see dds and PR2 ships
vague token
but ill be trying tashkent in a month
or whenever she hits 110
maybe swap in kgv
slow into early shell
coral wren
shes cute and my coolest fleet ship
vague token
xD
coral wren
dont bully my poor fleet comp
ripe latch
jaburin
coral wren
rossiya's barrage hits only 1 target in pvp, right? I'd take her into consideration if she could hit all 3 backliners, having numbers close to monarch might play out for her. But if not, then there is no point in bringing her
jovial mural
are the two new event guns any good? i mean both in pvp and pve.
shell heron
Shhh, that is totally Russian enty and not Christmas enty
frail orbit
Just call all Entyface as Entyty tbh
Like
Enty being Entyty #1
Bisco Entyty #2
Pitz Entyty #3
Rossie Entyty #4
midnight heron
hold up did they nerf sendai flare range with the update 
i dont rmb the radius being dis small
forest lake
ripe latch
vague token
so wait twin 130 is pretty beefy
even with normal ammo doesnt it beat out the mle on medium?
not like we rely on dd gun dps on heavy armor
midnight heron
ripe latch
someone on dev hate sendai
elder crane
Twin 130 has special normal ammo
100/55/25 instead of 100/50/20
And yeah, powercreeps the DpS of 138 vs light and med
Base 52/29 compared to 48/24 and has lower VT, for only very slightly longer load time
Also
New BiS on Kitakaze supposedly?
I think it's lower total DpS due to load time, but it's a lot more gun DpS
52 vs 40 base DpS, 52 vs 46 or so if you factor in the eff buff for 100 mm on Kita
elder crane
Who needs barrages when you can just gun everything down
elder crane
20 more FP on this gun though
vague token
so it's basically farm a couple cl guns and that's it
elder crane
Hmm, I'm wondering, unlike Monarch, Soyuz barrage has split large shots and small bombs that cause slow+flood
If the small bombs are fixed at Vanguard distance instead, it might be interesting
A BB slow that actually aims at vanguard instead of slowing the stationary main fleet
vague token
the icicles do slow and flood?
elder crane
Also a weak DoT being more impactful on vanguard
vague token
i wonder what her flood ratio is
elder crane
Wait, it's the icicles?
elder crane
They're 40 base damage, so don't hold your breath
vague token
oh
elder crane
Idk either
vague token
=//////
elder crane
Inb4 1000% flood coeff
vague token
i mean that is just fixing the terrible base damage
even sara's torpedos hit harder than 40 lol
whole terrace
why are HE guns recommended over AP guns in pvp vanguards? I thought it would be easier to hit two targets in pvp.
vague token
fire refresh
whole terrace
What do you mean by 'refresh'?
vague token
burns can be extended by procing a burn a 2nd time with any weapon
whole terrace
Oh so if I hit an enemy with a BB shell and then with a CL HE gun, it'll burn a little longer or something?
vague token
yep for the full bb burn damage
whole terrace
Oh i never knew
I've heard the term but never understood
Also could Tashkent's slow be useful in pvp?
elder crane
Part of the issue I suspect will be actually hitting things with the slow
Seems hard to reliably apply slow to more than 1 ship, if even 1 at all
It's why swiftsure is shitty for PvP, for example, despite ppl running her over Aurora in PvE
We won't know until we try it though
split socket
https://twitter.com/Ratto7R/status/1232929140958875648?s=19 looks pretty reliable to me
elder crane
Yes, but no pierce/AoE means you only hit 1 ship at most really at a time
I suppose shells are fast and numerous enough to reliably hit one ship though
If duration of slow is good, that helps, otherwise it's very much a 1-target slow for PvP
hot creek
Wow, another loss but this time I was half paying attention so I saw what happened. It was against Namagi/Izumo with torp VG. I ignored the first minute or so of the battle and then looked up again and saw it my VG was dead and it backlines were 3v4 with two of their VG in my face and two of their backline just barely alive. Warspite was near max health but Centaur and Formi were low, I thought i'd be fine. All of a sudden they're both dead and before I can react, Warspite gets torp faced from like 90% to sunk all within the span of like 3 seconds
Some shitty luck this season 
vague token
i mean a 1 target slow still hits the group speed a decent amount
ionic magnet
two of their VG in my face
thought I'd be fine
thats on you
hot creek
yeah but I still had 3 backline alive so if one gets torp faced, other two would still be there but all of a sudden my other two were gone
it was the perfect storm
ionic magnet
elder crane
That's why you Hiryuu
vague token
hot creek
Time to join the Haloist club and just say all my opponents are hackers 
vague token
big brain decisions
keen sparrow
this season is ded my tix max till reset 
keen sparrow
at least better than belgun
midnight heron
well at least u didnt miss 5 matches cuz lul sandy server overload
definitely didnt happen to me
keen sparrow
midnight heron
sharp wing
Server was stable like 2 hrs before reset tho
I cleared all A maps before doing pre reset matches
Tho I got dced when I did pvp match after getting in server for the 1st time
sharp wing
might only get 1 from shop and not bother 
keen sparrow
is ok at least i can use that until get another nep/seatle gun
vague token
i mean when would you ever hit anything if the targeting range is 68 and the ammo range is 55
that's literally just jihads
oh wiki is off
wiki shows 68
keen sparrow
jihads
sharp wing
wiki probably has targeting ranges, cause also shows 70 on nepgun
not in game stats
but also not ammo ranges
for proper table need both ranges listed anyway
Also on actual gun pages u can see both ranges
Need to ask them add to comparison tables
frail orbit
Just something that irks ne tbh
sharp wing
There 0 consistency in comparison tables, cause some guns have ammo range stated, others targeting range
frail orbit
But did the new BB got no MGM+1 tho? Or just not being added atm to wiki keks
sharp wing
They need to at least state same stat
vague token
sharp wing
Like Nepgun has ammor ange stated, while enw gun tarrgeting
stable dawn
Missed a reset for the first time in 6 seasons
Guess it's time to quit and play AK
hot creek
100 apologems ez
vague token
only on sandy
keen sparrow
blessed sandy
sterile bluff
hey does anyone have a review or tierlist of the new ships for pvp?
vague token
the only one im gonna try is the slow fairy one
the rest dont really bring anything fancy
to me
sterile bluff
who's the slow fairy one?
shell heron
Tashkent
sterile bluff
oh
hot creek
-50 gems? 
shell heron
-50 points because 5 missed matches
shell heron
Tashkent have potential. Russian Enty feels like just a PvE ship
sterile bluff
hmm interesting, my only event SRs r rossiya tashkent and avrora
wondering if chap-whatever her name is would be any good
vague token
the one with the personal evasion skill could be cool if she had any damage
shell heron
If anything, this event brought us a substitute seattle gun
HE+ instead of ++, but more pure FP and just a touch worse everything else
vague token
it's a solid transition gun for vanguard
but since it has only 55 ammo range no reason to use over nepgun
on bbs
vague token
click on the gun
they put the target range on that page
the comparison table has no consistency for what is being put on it
shell heron
good ol wiki
vague token
seattle gun has 70 (it's ammo range)
same as nepgun
triple 152 says the firing range (68) but shell range is 55 lol
hot creek
is the DD gun not farmable? lol
keen sparrow
trashkent is gud for slowpoke meme
chapeyev also gud for nanoda killer
vague token
dunno
sterile bluff
what about the CL gun? How many can u farm? BP limit is 15 right?
vague token
if there's a stage with it as a drop you can farm as many as rng lets you
frail orbit
Just 1:1 anyway
As if event being a gud PR farm, not even keks
sterile bluff
were u talking to me lmao
shell heron
wait, where is everyone on the ladder this season
hot creek
-2 charges
shell heron
Oh, there's famine and his 7 points up of me
empty grove
shy hazel
jovial mural
Hey, are the two new event guns any good? Both in pvp / pve
high bay
apparently the new cl gun rivals seattle gun
which is also an HE gun
in pvp, HE guns for vanguard is preferred with the abundance of light cruisers and destroyers in defence vanguards
also it burns the elusive ones
The new cl gun should be better than belgun as cl mg for pvp vanguard
since most of the more readily accessible HE cl guns for pve have crap spread, the new cl gun is an excellent choice if you need more HE guns
frail orbit
Scuttlegun for bb aux
Chapgun for vg
Long ass reload should be fixed by high reload stat I'd assume
At least both Scuttle n Chap gun being quite tight anyway
high bay
apparently new dd gun is for use of tash kent
high bay
@jovial mural tho based from what ive heard the new gold dd gun is amazing
karmic forum
DD gun is better than the 138.6 against light and medium
frail orbit
^
karmic forum
If you could farm it, this would be french event v2
jovial mural
thanks for the informations 
karmic forum
Ideally tashkent since she benefits with her skill
Otherwise literally any DD that does decent gun damage
Maybe not kitakaze since she might still prefer the twin 100mm
past egret
Aight, I got China DD gun, Soviet DD gun, and 1 French DD gun
I need help choosing which goes on who out of 3 destroyers, Z1, Z23, Z46
anyone able to help 
karmic forum
Whats the china DD gun?
Z23 gets the soviet gun as she does the most gun damage. Z46 gets the faster firing DD gun (i'm assuming that its china DD gun) because her barrage is good, Z1 gets the remaining DD gun which is the french gun.
elder crane
Kita gets a ~15% gun damage boost with the new gun, but loses ~1/3 of her barrage damage
Your choice on what's more important
midnight heron
y wud u use it if its giving u negatives only lul
vague token
kek
zenith tundra
i calculated a bit kita difference with twin 130mm and twin 100mm
the difference is 18.3% more gun damage while only shooting 6 barrages instead of 10 in a 90s fight
looking at barrage numbers in the wiki the difference is very low but not sure how to properly calculate the damage
twin 130mm: 33393 mg dmg + 6x720 (base barrage dmg on medium) = 37713
twin 100mm: 28211 mg dmg + 10x720 = 35411
most likely those barrage dmg numbers aren't correct but with twin 130mm u run less the risk of losing dmg due to barrage missing
vague token
so auto friendly i guess?
safe meteor
elder crane
Kitakaze is
384 HE, 110/60/30
468 Torpedo,80/100/130 80% torp mod
given her torp stat, you expect her torps to have almost twice the damage multiplier of her FP
that's roughly 1.1k of equivalent gun damage on medium per barrage
redoing the calcs adjusting this then:
twin 130mm: 33393 mg dmg + 6x1100 ~= 40k
twin 100mm: 28211 mg dmg + 10x1100 ~= 39k
Hmm, this doesn't seem right from my calcs on MG damage
Oh no I made a mistake, it does make sense
anyways, yeah, clear advantage for new gun on Kitakaze
loooooool I just got 3 free +1
ty matchmaking
hot creek
Ill start working on unlocking kitakaze. Right after I unlock Ibuki 
elder crane
oh wow how generous, 4th free +1
literally can't give me any more than that cause nobody is high enough anymore
keen sparrow
u lucky
hot creek
lol game bugs out whenever you kill a siren while its still doing that shock animation thing
midnight heron
thx to 5 ticks lost to overload even if i rush now i get rank 70 ๐
coral wren
Aw yeah 5 minutes of fame
midnight heron
i wud eat it........... if i had more ticks
coral wren
why did u burn them?
midnight heron
cuz server overload
midnight heron
i wud be lucky if i even reach aotn
coral wren
so you lost 5 ticks?
midnight heron
ya
coral wren
I was lucky enough to burn my tickets before maintenance
tht server issue forced me to play that terrible game arknights
midnight heron
yea fk dis shit man 1/10
coral wren
Oh rip
midnight heron
1/10 here as well 
coral wren
the adrenaline of getting admiral of navy rank while being 5 ticks behind
midnight heron
not dat hard tho
i dont even farm as much as those guys who unlock all pr2 already
coral wren
Someone already took my 1st place kek
I don't really farm that much anymore. Just leaving some ships on dorm and waiting for them till they're ready for pvp
I only have 1 pr2 ship
midnight heron
who dat
midnight heron
coral wren
Will Noshiro replace Yukikaze as meta in pvp?
hot creek
Nobody replaces Yukikaze in pvp.
shell heron
even if they nerf her and restrict main fleet to IJN only. She's still in because IJN meta
vague token
noshiro is a more aggressive option
ykkz is more reliable for defensive stats
personally im not using ykkz cause im covering main durability with suruga
hot creek
that new aux is pretty nice, gives a decent FP boost to DD and CL 
hot creek
high bay
20 fp 
ripe latch
nani 20 fp
upper sparrow
frail orbit
Btw
Gonna ask this
How's Rossiya's slow ice pellets being aimed?
Is it the same thang as Monarch
Or the same shit as Dork?
frail orbit
Same shit as Dork ehh . . .
frail orbit
Naaa I meant
elder crane
Anyways, Jun/Azuma/Noshiro might be a legit option over Jun/Azuma/Ykkz
Solves Azuma's torpedo problem, especially with VH, solves Jun's torpedo problem where she gets instagibbed, and gives a small boost to Azuma
frail orbit
Wont gonna hit VGs reliably eh?
Kinda wanted to make RFC smhw keks but even then
Russian Fried Chicken keks
elder crane
Probably not reliably but more due to low hitrate of main fleet on Vanguard to begin with
frail orbit
Stickin with Monarch then for that . . .
Naaaa, not for FC comps
For the VG slow that is
elder crane
FC already has Formi's stop for Cent, and Formi is never going to reliably land ryuus, unless maaaybe you stack Rossiya and Tashkent or something
ripe latch
Increases this ship's DMG dealt to BBs and CAs by 5.0% (20.0%). When this ship takes DMG: 15.0% chance to for it to evade all enemy attacks for 5.0 (10.0) seconds
can this usable on pvp?
zenith tundra
the skill looks interesting but paimat stats are by far the worse for a cl
karmic forum
Its just eld's skill but for a single ship
Although I think it does save Pamiat from being completely unuseable
elder crane
At least it doesn't start on CD
Still suffers from same RNG issues as Eld, though at least she has a bit more HP to take hits
She does exactly 0 team support though, so ๐ฎ
vague token
id rather use birmingham
coral wren
I understood the phrase "sandbagging" now
charred sable
Best main gun for Juneau?
zenith tundra
i use 138.6 on her
vague token
im pretty sure mle is the one, not that she'll do damage with it
charred sable
Apart from the Single 138.6 unless that's actually better used on Juneau than Azuma secondary
I wish I had farmed 2 of em :(
vague token
azuma uses twin 127 for aa padding i think
vague token
i just gave her 100mm for now cause stat padding xD
only dev 15 so i cant exactly have her do damage
better to boost tank stats
charred sable
Azuma can't use the new gun for her secondary :/
vague token
azuma aa is just standard CA tier
vague token
226
zenith tundra
charred sable
Double oops
vague token
but yeah adding 30 aa when azuma isnt max dev or 120 is fine for me
zenith tundra
non dev 25 isn't that tanky after all
vague token
yeah, she's like ok tank
113 dev 15 has roon tier hp
which is passable
not great though
midnight heron
dats cl gun tho nani
zenith tundra
don't use cl guns over dd if u can
frail orbit
^
charred sable
I guess I'll go with this setup for now (mainly just putting Azuma into rotation to get her some free EXP)
frail orbit
Especially since said CL having DD gun slot
Typical of AAbote CL
Fine enuff . . .
But why 2 boiler Yuki?
charred sable
Cause it's funny watching her be zoom zoom when she's the last one alive
frail orbit
zenith tundra
he does lack quite a bit of speed imo
i use 1 boiler on yuki and juneau and gyro on azuma
midnight heron
k got aotn now i can sleep
midnight heron
also fk those cheaters stalling me with their bs
elder crane
I think the single 130 is better than the 138 on Jun
charred sable
This will definitely lose against most 120 meta fleets but it's the start of a new season soon so I can probably get some decent free EXP for the two big mamas against non-meta fleets
elder crane
You'd be surprised
It's Namagi with Jun/Ykkz after all
elder crane
Just barrage more than them 4Head
zenith tundra
130 on juneau over azuma since azuma actually reaches backlines unlike juneau?
elder crane
Single 130
vague token
spits out more barrage
elder crane
That's somewhat valid on Azuma I suppose, for 138 vs twin 130
Still, I think Azuma shoots at vanguard more
zenith tundra
i thought u meant twin
elder crane
I've been running that for a while now
Lots of pewpew
Probably doesn't make much difference either way since it's Jun
vague token
self debuff fp my favorite
zenith tundra
should try twin 130 on azuma to see
elder crane
It's quite nice
Probably doesn't make much diff in PvP
vague token
it probably matters more in pve since small boosts in dps matter more there
elder crane
In PvE I think I notice the diff
One big one is in fireboat daily
Twin 130 on near-120 dev18 Azuma 1-shots the fireships
138 doesn't even if it doesn't miss a bullet
zenith tundra
i only used in pve once on kita tbh. been stuck farming new cl gun full time
vague token
people are only using the cl gun on vanguard right cause of the range?
elder crane
And the twin 130 is as tight as the twin 100 is, and ofc Normal ammo shell velocity
Yeah, ammo range is sadly just standard 55 apparently
Still good for intercept though since targeting is the enhanced 68 range
vague token
ah
maybe ill try it on bisko
i have my gloucester almost at 115
for fun out of ammo shenanigans
elder crane
It's higher vanguard main gun DpS than Seattlegun on light, literally the 15 FP being the difference here
Less on med/heavy
For aux, it has 15 FP more than Seattlegun which is nice
zenith tundra
i think mk5 can actually be used in pvp by non ijn bb
frail orbit
Wakai eh
zenith tundra
maybe fdg too
elder crane
I'd rather just take Nepgun really
vague token
id rather use nepgun on side slots for sure
zenith tundra
but it does have better light dps then nepgun
vague token
might be ok in flag
elder crane
Ehh
Extra damage done when vanguard is alive > dps lost when Vanguard is dead
For defense, for sure though
zenith tundra
how do u lose dmg with mk5 when vg is not around over nepgun since they both have 45fp
elder crane
I'm saying I'd take the trade
vague token
i use armor azuma so normal ammo is lul
elder crane
Even when own Vanguard loses, the amount of time spent dueling > amount of time after lost the duel
And the new gun won't be doing much damage at all during the duel
zenith tundra
what are we talking about rn i'm confused?
elder crane
Standard ammo range is shit
New CL gun vs Nepgun for BB aux
vs Seattle gun
Like, anyone remember when we ran 155?
That barely hits enemy vanguard at all
elder crane
It's ammo range issues
frail orbit
Cone shaped topkeks
zenith tundra
assuming u never lose vg fight since it never happens to me i don't see any loss from 2 range on ws over 15fp gain
frail orbit
Ahh that
elder crane
15 range loss
Ammo range is 55 standard, not 70 enhanced
Shells will fizzle before hitting
zenith tundra
the wiki lists range to 68 not 55
elder crane
That's targeting
vague token
the wiki has 0 consistency
frail orbit
70 vs 55
zenith tundra
now i see what u mean
vague token
they mix whether they put ammo or target range on the table
but it has the proper ranges if you check its page
elder crane
It has the enhanced targeting range but the shitty standard ammo range
frail orbit
@vague token thays why u gonna check it per page
vague token
aka shoot at things that are too far away xD
zenith tundra
ok i never noticed that
frail orbit
Reserve that chapgun for vg anyways
zenith tundra
then yeah seattle way better
frail orbit
Scuttle for aux
elder crane
So if you want the FP and DpS, it's good for defense
Not for offense
Offense has to choose
#firstworldproblems scenario here ofc
frail orbit
Siriusly
Take me some groaning sleepybmass of me just to go for koumakan to check shit
Already 3am at utc+7 . . .
haughty flare
tfw you defeat someone and then the same guy appears next and you defeat him again
zenith tundra
happens. especially in the top 100
zenith tundra
idk what people see in russiya. tash seems really good tho
coral wren
her barrage, i guess
zenith tundra
it's juat a barrage tho not like there aren't other barrages in the game
t0 without even seeing her maxed barrage and it's barrage based lol
vague token
the only one i see being super useful is tashkent for slow utility and strong base stats
the rest dont strike me as anything useful
unless rossiya's barrage numbers are godlike
there's no way she could ever displace monarch
much less bama for long clear
zenith tundra
she is like littorio
and her fp buff require russian/cn ships that there aren't that many good ones too
sterile bluff
could prolly do tash and ross idk
sterile bluff
D:
jagged steppe
unless they add 1990 soviet cv then this game no soviet cv D:
zenith tundra
ain't that too new for al?
quick dune
what ships do I put on defense? my best ships?
hot creek
Sure. Just in case you didn't know though, defense has no direct impact on your score so it doesn't really matter. Defense exist to either flex ships or potentially annoy your opponents but thats pretty much it.
zenith tundra
most people just put waifus or memes on defense. i prefer to put the strongest defensive fleet i can
hot creek
Right, without people who set meta defenses fleets we wouldn't be able to test comps properly. 
tawdry juniper
hello, can someone help me with hiryuu aux equipment? i put an avi fuel already but im not sure what other one I should equip
zenith tundra
hiryuu can use either rudder or beacon as 2nd aux. rudder is better if she tanks a lot while beacon is a better offensive aux
sterile bluff
i use cata and toolbox cuz i want her to live the longest out of everyone lol, just me tho prolly not the best aux setup
zenith tundra
if u want full defensive setup just use rudder armor
sterile bluff
don't have rudder D:
zenith tundra
do more research
sterile bluff
ye i always got research running
elder crane
Rossiya is kinda like Budget Monarch
before monarch reload buff, with a couple of soviet/chinese ships, she actually compares in damage output, both on guns and barrage
Barrage pattern isn't really worse than Monarch's either overall, and it also has a 40% slow
EX is just lul, but since that list puts Monarch EX, T0 for Rossiya isn't out of the question
Alternatively, premium Littorio, with enhanced barrage, not being locked into litt gun for it, and a FP+acc buff
zenith tundra
the fp and acc buff are related to very specific ships and she gets only 5% by herself
sterile bluff
what about her survivability? Also does anyone actually know her barrage's numbers?
zenith tundra
her hp and evasion are good but she has no defensive skill. idk about barrage numbers i haven't seen anything about that
elder crane
they're on the Enbayft doc and on the wiki already lol
Also here's a DpS rough comparison vs Taihou stats, level parity, with max Rossiya buff
Note fairly similar MG and barrage numbers
elder crane
She's T0 with just her DpS
and it's mainly her DpS lol, partly her slow but Rossiya has that too
For PvP, Rossiya isn't viable obviously given that Monarch isn't even viable at top levels without HMS team
but she's a very good ship for PvE
zenith tundra
rossy barrage is all over the place how much would u even hit on a boss
elder crane
it's no more so than Monarch really
also center shots are always center
we'll see how side shots pan out, if those hit center reliably too, then she might actually be EX tier
I highly doubt that though
zenith tundra
have u never used her?
elder crane
Yes I have
and Monarch really only hits 4-5/10 on single-target
especially if they're not well-centered for her barrage
zenith tundra
to be ex tier is her dmg really fdg tier?
elder crane
Monarch is EX on that tiering
I disagree with overall tiering, but it is consistent
A slightly weaker Monarch being T0 very much makes sense with that
zenith tundra
ex tier make no sense to me. so she would be a t1 if max was t0
or t0.5 if u want to use that
elder crane
Yeah, that's where I have her pegged personally
unless something surprising comes out
Chappy T0 also seems very questionable
She's just a Cleve with Sandy-esque barrage really, and a niche debuff, and gives up AA skills, and should be clearly worse (if not by too much) than Seattle
T0.5 seems reasonable though
Tash though, whew
Her fairly is pretty much another main gun
Compares pretty favorably as a different Kitakaze, so probably joins her at T0
wait lol I just noticed a major error there
dammit duncc
zenith tundra
tash slow is really interesting imo especially since she can do that for 50s straight and also has really good stats for mg dmg
elder crane
Her fairy fires 6 shots of 24 bdmg DD normal at 1.25 coeff, which is basically another copy of the russian DD gun for Tash
Basically means she has 50 s of MGM+2 with one that also slows
sterile bluff
bruh wtf is EX tier XD
sterile bluff
@elder crane also rossiya has slow? Never knew that... it doesn't say on her skill