pvp

[vague token]

but sirius obviously has her support niche

[ripe latch]

@hot creek 300coubs for glas

[ripe latch]

8,8k max crit , bruh

[zenith tundra]

on what 8.8k crit?

surely not 120 ship

[frail orbit]

Anyway come to think of it

Only noticeable gunbote in pvp being zoomer eh

Vg gunbote I meant

[zenith tundra]

usually gunboats aren't strong enough to be good in pvp. somehow being a bc gunboat is good enough tho

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra 117 sendai crit on 117 warkai

[elder crane]

Problem is vanguard fight is too fast
Preload torps >> guns
And there's no mobs in PvP that can be farmed/need to be dealt with by guns

Azuma gets away with that cause

1. MG causes splash, so on clustered VG, she does ridiculous DpS
2. CA gun DpS in general is high, and since she can shoot main fleet, she doesn't suffer much from CA gun angle
3. she's tanky af so she keeps guns active long enough to matter

[ripe latch]

not found equip for def war kai , sg + ihr enough ?

[elder crane]

That or 2SG tbh
Or even double shell and try to go for RNG wins
I personally don't find myself focusing down WS particularly fast with non-WS setups, SG+IHR might be good in mirror though

[jagged steppe]

I finally can use torp meme team

6 run drop

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

13-2 torp team still usable

[past egret]

are we flexing drops?

To bad she’s trash in pvp

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Pecobears smh

[sharp wing]

Hmm, are they adding those 2 DDs to perma

[shell heron]

Just ran into 3 portland users down here

in a row

[sharp wing]

How about Eldies?

[shell heron]

Eldie shows up during EoS

just to haunt me

[sharp wing]

Like a BOSS

Final Boss

A secret final boss no1 will ever find but Cay

I got Indie-chan comp But no portland

[shell heron]

against anyone else, eldie melts before she can proc rainbow

but against me...

[sharp wing]

There is a special Eldie

It only shows up once in full moon during last reset of EoS

[shell heron]

The Eldie above all other Eldies

[sharp wing]

The Elder Eldie

and she is oppai

[shell heron]

~~oppai loli ~~

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

[sharp wing]

🇫🇷

[ripe latch]

bruh

[sharp wing]

ewww jaburin

and waitress

[hot creek]

best goddess

[sharp wing]

🚮

[ripe latch]

[empty owl]

Would Londons artillery command stack with queen Elizabeth's skill?

[elder crane]

Yes

Anything not the same skill name stacks

[south jungle]

Anyone have any info on the aerial barrage types Bunker Hill can have based on the number of CVs in the fleet? I’m having trouble finding and testing this myself.

[south jungle]

[sharp wing]

just inferior hornet

also hornet meh too

[south jungle]

Cuz as of now. When she procs the skill no names come up

Just blank

[sharp wing]

or in 3rd case inferior ryuu

but ryuu also rng

Also you will not run 3 cv main

1 cv 1st barrage, 2 cv 1+2 barrage, 3 cv 2+3 barrage

from the barrages table

2 hellcats, 2 dauntless and 2 avengers, also hellcats somewhy have 100lb instead 500lb bombs

[elder crane]

Even at max, it's basically 40% of a strike or so
Which is fairly unimpressive

[sharp wing]

And u need to run 3cv backline to even get it to max potential

So, before getting Biloxi I got 1 Bel, 4 Dido, 4 Gloucester, 2 Glasgow, 4 Halsey
How many coobs I even sank

[elder crane]

And right before polaris

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Did you get baited?

[sharp wing]

Polaris looks to not follow regular colalb rules so it's fine

Still I never missed a rate up or event ship, so dun want to start

Since cn anni event I got 3 events to 0 coobs

Bisko was forgivable, but others are always elites

I remember also, that ... harutsuki cost me 80 coobs after I finished all other event ships builds

[ripe latch]

not get last elite , chance drop 0.02%

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

tfw dido is on par with nepnod for pve

rip nepnod

and ykkz got punched down to t0.5

xD

big rip

[ripe latch]

big rip jp wiki

[vague token]

basically ryuuhou breaks everything

xD

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

ryu-ho-hou

[hot creek]

can you 1-1 with her? 🚮

[vague token]

i think they were doing 3:1 on 13-4 with safe

xD

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

Makes sense, basically she stacks 3 ships' worth of healing on one (compared to CVL healer)
Or even more if the vanguard is a DD
I think 2:1 ryuuhou setup probably can keep a good DD vanguard alive in ch13 safe, but the lack of AA will screw your main fleet

[fierce field]

[frail orbit]

@elder crane btw blue. Sorry to disturb ye again but how's FC against noshi 120 with 3 boiler + 1 beaver?

[elder crane]

Idk, I haven't run FC in post-noshi, and still not that many run her yet
FC on def is basically a joke so there's nothing to be gained from that matchup

[frail orbit]

And who tf run FC on def

[elder crane]

The issue is longer torp travel time for TBs and Cent's barrage being wonky from the defense side

Plus FC being too reliable

[frail orbit]

Am just askin against Noshi lv120 so . . .

[elder crane]

Which is bad for defense, since that means you reliably lose

In comparison, Namagi's amazing (tm) barrage+main guns rng means sometimes the stars align and the offense team needs to pull a lesser miracle or lose

[frail orbit]

And what am askin is for FC attacker against noshi def tho

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Ehh, my CV equips are earmarked for my PvE fleets right now, sadly, and I'm too lazy to switch
Plus not that many ppl run Noshiro yet, which means a good Noshiro setup is rare
Might try it out later

[frail orbit]

Age of Azuma, just pray that Cuda would hit Azuma keks

[elder crane]

Tbh I probably won't get to testing that matchup until I start testing FC against azuma

And incidentally run into Noshiro comps

Maybe finally Illustrious' return to decently high tiers, once I bring out my Azuma in FC

[vague token]

my noshiro is 114

soon

(tm)

[elder crane]

We'll see how well that meme works
Didn't work well without Azuma

[river crest]

enjoying my few mins being numba wan

[zenith tundra]

even with azuma dealing the damage of a backline i don't see lusty being useful. her dmg is low and her timings aren't amazing considering that it won't stop nagato barrages and wont stop 457 shoots or most bb shoots anyway unless they use triple guns also won't help against akaga and there are no cv comps that are that are that dangerous to justify using lusty over anything

[elder crane]

ehh, works vs Hiryuu and Amagi past her first volley, which is fine enough
also on Nagato 3rd barrage
Problem is, with current VG, if Nagato barrages 1st or 2nd, VG might die, and you need vanguard to live to beat Hiryuu final counter
Azuma hopefully

1. solves the survivability issue vs Nagato barrage
2. doesn't actually increase vanguard survivability vs FC, since Azuma shouldn't be super tanky vs FC

[zenith tundra]

u don't really lose azuma to nagato barrages easily

i just don't think lusty is worth even as a meme

[elder crane]

that's the point
if you invest in Lusty, the fallback wincon vs Hiryuu is to push vanguard through alive, and you want vanguard to be actually contributing or shielding them is a waste

both of which is an issue with current vanguard

2nd I suppose less so with Noshiro around, though azuma will still be a significant upgrade, probably

but Noshiro can die to Nagato barrage the exact same way Yukikaze does

goddamn new Discord UI smh

[zenith tundra]

it sucks. i wish u could roll back to old one

[frail orbit]

At least big emotes keks

Also am still running mix, confused whether to max crash dmg or fooken airborne torps keks

[zenith tundra]

i just hate how it keeps going back up on it's own

[elder crane]

which comment am I trying to edit here?

cursor is to the left of the spaghetti icon btw

If you guessed
"both of which..."
bzzt, wrong

Discord UI says "lol, you must be trying to edit the message under that, right?"

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

idk why would i need to see those reactions at all times....

[elder crane]

I do find it convenient, but I wish the toolbar would be on the comment that it applies to

or at least highlight the affected message

[zenith tundra]

it actually feels more like a phone ui to me then actual pc

[elder crane]

tbh probably it's designed for tablet

[zenith tundra]

why did they push it for windows too

[elder crane]

cause they're dumdums

actually, here's 3 diff solutions to the issue I just pointed out

1. move the toolbar over to the message it applies to, instead of putting the toolbar over a different message
2. highlight the message that is going to be affected when you hover over the toolbar
3. highlight the toolbar, so you can tell when cursor is on the toolbar instead of on the message that the toolbar overlaps

or better yet, why don't they do all of that, since it's just good UI design in general to give clear feedback to the user on what their actions will do, smh

[zenith tundra]

i'm still more annoyed by the fact that the chat moves on it's own when not on focus which happens every time since i have discord on 2nd monitor and i just use wheel to scroll down and then when a new message is posted it goes back up to the new line again

[karmic forum]

Agree with most of this, I would have never updated if I had known this is what we would get

[shy hazel]

tldr

new discord update is dumb

as kiro

[valid stirrup]

76mm or 100mm for ykk

[frail orbit]

Depends

I'd much preferred 76 since her fp is so so

But 100 is noice too tbh

[valid stirrup]

But damn, ykk is actually carrying my level 115 team to be able to kill level 120 teams

Despite being only level 115 herself

[shell heron]

list is actually dead tonight

[vague token]

been dead since reset for me

[sour oasis]

How dead

[karmic forum]

ded

[sour oasis]

Maybe Americans are watching important stuffs?

Or getting stoned.

[hot creek]

season dead when corona virus spread. coincidence?

Or maybe season's dead cause thats just how every season is

[shy hazel]

nah some ppl still doing pr with event

rly dumb tho

[shell heron]

I just want them easy rudder bps

[vague token]

@shell heron
https://gyazo.com/d566057ef7be84a7cbc348f13e55e0a6

[shell heron]

now fight me without resetting. no possible way you can lose right

[vague token]

i didnt have to reset lol

[shell heron]

ofc not, it's triple CV and DD

if you did. I will meme on you forever

[vague token]

you did wipe my vg but i deleted enty and lusty before 2 strikes xD so who cares

not like 3 dds is gonna tickle 3 bbs

noshiro not 120 yet so she gets hit =(

[shell heron]

wait, 3 BBs?

you running HMS?

[vague token]

no

https://gyazo.com/b31d85765e5216afc2e7be0435a6b162

2 bbs + bc sorry

xD

suruga almost 120

and there we go, 120

https://gyazo.com/e4e0ebf741459c34f74d4d1dc9fb5d1e

[shell heron]

Z flag

[vague token]

gotta boost up those barrage shots

with that crit

you have bacon on illustrious right?

people without bacon sometimes lose her to shelling before 1st strike

if both ws barrage shots hit

[shell heron]

my sugura is not even close to 120, just almost 114

[vague token]

oh hey my sakura empire fleet tech leveled up

thanks to that

[shell heron]

hmmmm, I might try that to make my white hair fleet a little more viable

but that's my pve lusty. so double gold catas

[vague token]

oh ok

[shell heron]

because timing is pointless there

[vague token]

i use bacon in pve

xD

[shell heron]

I use it on centaur

she is just a tiny bit slower than WS

[vague token]

oh actually this reminds me to buy my third bacon

[shell heron]

you mean to tell me you bought 2

[vague token]

i bought 2 yeah

1 for unicorn, 1 for lusty, 1 for uh

someone

ill figure it out later

[shell heron]

then again I bought a 2nd battery. never used it

[vague token]

lul

[shell heron]

I'll buy it later. will want to +10 it ASAP

but new banner is coming and I need gold

[vague token]

that's fair

i should probably stop burning gold on research

but i want to finish azuma gun and seattle gun

X-x

hmm, 184 affection on suruga

guess ill have to keep her for a bit more

if i wasnt farming kitakaze exp id be setting up gloucester for biscuit full clear fleet

[shell heron]

117 noshi. She'll be up real soon

[vague token]

im at 117

actually using yuubari

[shell heron]

I haven't

[vague token]

i didnt think she'd survive at 97 in 12-3

[shell heron]

that would have been smart

[vague token]

but she does

suruga/ryuuhou/vestal (3 aa radar of course)

to carry them

[shell heron]

oh ch12. I'm running event hards

[vague token]

i got newcastle so i stopped hard runs

[shell heron]

can't pass up the chance of easy rudders

[vague token]

im ok at 6

i dont feel the need to force more super fast

[zenith tundra]

u have all pr2 to get more

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

i have 11 and the last 2 aren't even maxed yet

[vague token]

xD

[shell heron]

ok, nakaga deleted my buki

[zenith tundra]

sounds about right

[shell heron]

I don't like this new discord update

so weird

[vague token]

same

[zenith tundra]

the feedback page of discord is full of complains

[shell heron]

but I expected as much. saw buki ran towards all the torps

[zenith tundra]

i even posted there too

[shell heron]

something about it just feels very off

or I just don't need my most used emotes shown to me

it just feels cluttered imo

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

im considering training my spare noshiro that i didnt turn into medals xD

[zenith tundra]

the only ship i'll ever consider grinding another of is amagi. it's already a pain leveling up to 120

[shell heron]

I kinda want a 2nd amagi

her kit is just too good

[zenith tundra]

i want to have different setups for offense and defense

[shrewd galleon]

I wanna cry...

[shy hazel]

and i got no bite

haram

[hollow quartz]

Currently using Enty, Warkai, Saratoga, Ayanami, Portland, and Helena for my attack fleet, but I know it's not ideal and reliant on RNG.

I wanna switch out 2 of my VG for Belfast and Yuki, and keep one but not sure who. Maybe even swap out all 3.

I also want to switch our Saratoga, but not sure with who cause Im missing a lot of the event PvP meta ships. Maybe Monarch? Or QE if I use Dido as my third VG?

Any thoughts?

[zenith tundra]

ws monarch is a good combo to try and kill 1 backline asap. i tried the variant with centaur and it should be good enough to consistently beat meta comps. for vg if go with belfast yukikaze aya/helena but i would level up juneau if u really want to make ur life easier

[hollow quartz]

@zenith tundra Thanks. Not fond of raising a Juneau since I don't wanna raise a ship for PvP only purposes. Also considering raising my Noshiro too to use

Are you saying Centaur/Warspite/Enty? Is centaur just for airspace dominance buff b4 warkai and enty fire?

[zenith tundra]

i meant ws monatch cent. u can use ws monarch enty instead

[hollow quartz]

I wouldnt mind taking enty out cause she's 120, to get dat free xp

Im not 100% sure if I wanna use Monarch yet cause shes dev 29

[zenith tundra]

centaur is more consistent damage due to barrage and the buff helps ws damage

[hollow quartz]

Do you think Noshiro would be a better last vg than Aya/Helena

[zenith tundra]

yes

[hollow quartz]

Alright thx. Ill give Yuki/Bel/Noshi + Centaur/Warkai/Monarch or Enty/Warkai/Monarch a go

[zenith tundra]

u should just put juneau in dorm and forget her there

[hollow quartz]

Would it make that big of a difference?

Currently my goal is to just be able to beat like the 100% meta fleets on attack

I can only do it right now if literally all my shit procs, and i hate resetting to get that

[zenith tundra]

if u want consistency she is the best vg ship. she is used in pretty much all non torp meme comps in pvp

[hollow quartz]

Fair, but question still being can a Bel/Yuki/Noshiro frontline beat a Juneau/Yuki/Bel composition with the attacker bonus

[zenith tundra]

winning vg fight shouldn't be hard because ur bb shoot their 2nd guns on opponent vg. the problem is that u might find ur backlines with lower hp then opponent because u didn't have juneau heal.

and most of the time backlines are the ones that win the battle not the vg, especially without azuma around

u should be able to win against belfast juneau yukikaze because ur comp has good torp due to noshiro buff. also noshiro is pretty tanky too

[hollow quartz]

Im probably gonna be losing awhile

cause ill be dropping my 120/ 118+ fleet for a 110+ fleet with this change

but thats ok

[zenith tundra]

this was worse reset so far for me... only +3

[shy hazel]

927k merits

soon.tm

[zenith tundra]

what a waste of useless points

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

hey

i have 60 bulins and 20 purins

dont need to use merits

[zenith tundra]

that's why i said useless points...

[elder crane]

Go pad that fleet tech then

[zenith tundra]

it was just a joke on how he is wasting something useless

[past egret]

This goes into this 🚮 ?

[elder crane]

It's the accelerator gun option for if you have no better gold accelerator AA guns

Better than Italian 90 mm
Technically better than Hazemeyer, but no +5 hit
Technically about the same as staag, but no +10 hit
Worse than IJN Bofors

[frail orbit]

The only reason it's being put as trashcan is bkoz well
No hit stat
Being worse accelerator than IJN Bofors

Otherwise not really

But I'd rather reserve my coins for a 7th STAAG

[sharp wing]

Hmm, so we get a week break before Polaris

[shell heron]

Not sure if polaris have to be added manually or auto

Nope. It will be up on the 13th

[rotund bloom]

gawww

[ripe latch]

[cedar crow]

nice

dildo or bulge in your opinion for belfast?

[shell heron]

bulge

dildo on anyone other than ibuki feels like a meme

[sharp wing]

Bulge+pearl standard Bel setup in that comp

sees Eldie

[cedar crow]

put the pearl on eldie cause she low lvl than bel

just recently got jintsuu so slowly retroing her and recognizing her too along iwth hiryuu + yukikaze

[shell heron]

I don't fear that Eldie. Is not maxed out yet

[misty garnet]

F4U Corsair T3 vs Seafang T3 for akagi? (dont have reppuu yet)

[sharp wing]

seafangs are not pvp planes

And if anything, better work on Noshiro over Jint, noshiro can work with buki and even Azuma

Overall you need Yukikaze anyway and that should be yr priority

[misty garnet]

best gear for hiryuu/souryuu?

[elder crane]

F6F is what you want for easily-accessible Fighter
T3 Seafang (gold) is better than T3 F4U (purple) though, and better than T2 stuff

[sharp wing]

hiryuu avgas+rudder (or armor)

[vague token]

0 bonus this reset, my favorite

[keen sparrow]

i also only got 1 bonus my list is dead

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i havent had a mirror for like the last year

xD

[ionic magnet]

catapult is the worst thing you can give her

she has heavy armor but low eva

she just needs to survive til 2nd airstrike

[frail orbit]

PVP is

Basically

U evade

U tank

[ionic magnet]

and avgas and beacon are always better than catapult if you want damage anyway

[frail orbit]

Or u die

This aint pve

Also hooloo @ionic magnet about cuda, u kill all VGs in 1 airstrike or nope?

[ionic magnet]

you mean with wfc?

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet ye

[ionic magnet]

nope but it doesnt matter cos all you care is killing enemy backline
actually, its better not to kill enemy VGs too fast with wfc so less chances of your own VG to get burned by BB aux

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet aint the point to slap all VGs to oblivion, then Wakai snipe tho? Preferred HPFCR this way on Wakai for 1st snipe kill smhw

Either Magi or Hiryuu snipe

[ionic magnet]

thing is, theres no such thing as reliably killing VGs cos nanoda exists
even with sirius aurora sendai you can't do it
and you're just losing damage in next airstrikes if you use ryuusei cos it doesnt sync with formi slow anymore

[sharp wing]

If Enty uses pirates, she will say her skill line on launch even without skill procing

or McCluscky

[ionic magnet]

already tested 1 cuda 1 ryuusei vs 2 cudas against hundreds of namaryuus
and its always the same result so

[frail orbit]

Which kinda raised my question.

Aint the point of slowtorpmeme is to kill VGs 1st tho? Then Wakai snipe. U got HPFCR for that unless yer not a boomer anyway

Which kinda raised my question on this

Didya have HPFCR anyway @ionic magnet

HPFCR, less riddance in the long run if Wakai snipe anywau

[ionic magnet]

im saying stall VG + 2x cuda is better than ryuusei shenanigans

[frail orbit]

I won't stall VGs tho unless

Extreme case

Azuma

[ionic magnet]

nah torpmemes are scarier than azuma anyway

on def

[frail orbit]

Also didya have HPFCR tho hooloo

[ionic magnet]

no i dont have

[frail orbit]

Imagine not being a boomer

F

Then

Me being a boomer

Different dogma then

Am using HPFCR

For early KILLS

Of backline

With Wakai

[sharp wing]

yes, since u dun have hsfcr

[frail orbit]

U gotta swag that ass of Mamagi

[ionic magnet]

eh i'll still use SG+rudder anyway even if i have hfcr

[frail orbit]

With Wakai snipe

Also

SG too

[sharp wing]

either double sg or sg+shell

[frail orbit]

Formie better slap Beaver anyway

Or rudder

To slap her lumbering ass

[sharp wing]

if warkai miss 1 shot it hurts

[frail orbit]

Which is why

SG + HPFCR for me

[ionic magnet]

it averages out in the long run

[frail orbit]

RNGesus

[sharp wing]

"long run"

[frail orbit]

Indeed

[sharp wing]

the point of warkai

is short run

[oblique marsh]

I do have a rudder but it's just that I don't have enough aux parts to upgrade it to +10

[frail orbit]

Which is why

[ionic magnet]

theres no short run with rng

[frail orbit]

Just slap everyone personally

[sharp wing]

dun use rudder

[frail orbit]

If wakai

Never rudder

SG

[sharp wing]

double sg or sg+shell

[frail orbit]

Hit + eva

[ionic magnet]

why never rudder

[oblique marsh]

I'm confuse...which is it?

[ionic magnet]

especially if shes your flag

[frail orbit]

Double SG just more reliable anyway

[sharp wing]

cause it's warkai

[frail orbit]

Wakai wanna snipr

[sharp wing]

use formie flag otherwise

[frail orbit]

^

[sharp wing]

don't make warkai a tank

u ruin all the concept

[ionic magnet]

this is why ppl complain "why wfc is so bad im losing everytime"

[frail orbit]

This is why boomer wont imagine milennials anyway

Imagine not having HPFCR

FORGOTTEN WINGS KEKS

[sharp wing]

U will sometimes lose even with namagiwarkai if u aim for hiryuu 1st anyway

[frail orbit]

Which is why

[oblique marsh]

In the defense fleet anyway...If I attack, I just change formation when Mamaryuu happens

[ionic magnet]

the point of warkai rudder is so you can switch her to flag or flanks
depending on hiryuu's position

[frail orbit]

Either Magi or Ryuu

[ionic magnet]

goodluck tanking anything with sg+shell

[frail orbit]

Doubles SG is there anyway

U cant even stack 2 rudder anyway

So

[sharp wing]

the thing is u don't

smh

[frail orbit]

Also why tf tankint Wakai

[sharp wing]

cause pepega

[frail orbit]

When u got Formie lumbering ass and tits

To tank

[sharp wing]

sg+shell or double sg

been telling that last 5 minutes

[ionic magnet]

Also why tf tankint Wakai
@frail orbit cos you want centaur to dodge enemy warkai also

you cant do that if formi is always flag

[frail orbit]

Okay so in short

[sharp wing]

u can actually

[frail orbit]

Just do ur best

[ionic magnet]

im using rudder for the longest time and literally zero poblems

ill leave it at that

[frail orbit]

Rudder if u think u need more evasion

If u think so

Just experiment it in ur way

Bkoz not everyone having HPFCR to get hit stat so

[ionic magnet]

both works
im just not buying "never rudder on warkai"

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet just me being infuriated at all anyway, wouldnt exactly use rudder on her if SG slaps her hit and eva anyway keks

[sharp wing]

double SG is not for sniping, sniping is shell, double sg is more universal

[ionic magnet]

its simple
just look at your matches and if your warkai is dying often then switch to a more defensive aux@oblique marsh

[frail orbit]

^

Positioning Wakai is da wae

And so does managing her aux

[sharp wing]

just warkai flank

[ionic magnet]

its just that we'll never have enough eva cos we dont have ijn bias

[sharp wing]

U have QE

[ionic magnet]

QE who

[sharp wing]

only flag eva boost

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

yea thats the thing

[sharp wing]

that's why I prefer double sg

[ionic magnet]

still rng

[keen sparrow]

my trolling enty is done

[sharp wing]

hsfcr beter tho

why would u gimp yr Enty damage that much tho

McClusky deals times less damage than heccdabber

and 818 vs barra

yes

It's just most ppl dun have hsfcr

if u have that use it

[keen sparrow]

i use mcclusky for meme owarida if n ot proc

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

@oblique marsh u need to be a boomer for that

Boomer that witnessed w6 released on EN

1st VDIR

And FW

[sharp wing]

we had w9 from start

[frail orbit]

Ye ikr

But u know lah

When w6 used to be a so much bother

Or it's just me anyway

[sharp wing]

probably you

[frail orbit]

Heck

My VDiR 1st run was awful

No Zui

No Shou

[sharp wing]

I never missed event ship

[frail orbit]

Am missing all baguettes sans Sanrui

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

Not playing Iris

OSCE keks

Fooking OSCE

[sharp wing]

wut

[frail orbit]

OSCE basically med skill assessment

Am a med stud after all

[sharp wing]

floof vet stud

I got floofy Nearl's floof today

[karmic forum]

Seems good if you're running her solo

Formi is weird because you should time her with your comp

[frail orbit]

Reppu better on Centaur

Time her ass with Kiro or Bombzen calculator

Koz Centaur always be the 1st to launch

1s of pause between Cent n Formie launch

And u wanna bait AA with Reppu

Hellcat on Formie

Also

Cuda on Formie

1.1-1.2s difference

Unless u wanna triple reppu + double ryusei

Just calculate it anyway

Ask sagittary for kiro's calc

[zenith tundra]

it is the 1st tb slot has higher efficiency while the 2nd has lower

nothing the tb are good how u put them

albacore always goes to the 2nd tb slot

[ripe latch]

but barracuda have more dmg

[zenith tundra]

when i say 2nd tb slot i meant the lowest slot in equipment since the 1st slot is a fighter/db slot

fighter/db
1st tb slot
2nd tb slot
that's how i see them

[ionic magnet]

yea thats fine

ngl its so satisfying when you 1 shot VGs

[sharp wing]

Satisfying to see buki's 20-30k damage

[vague token]

suruga 120, just need 13 more affection

[zenith tundra]

i have 116 georgia and only 147 affection

[ionic magnet]

stuck for a week now at 21/25 azuma gun

feelsbad i just maxed noshiro yesterday but she'll be replaced soon

[hot creek]

its better to have low amount of azuma gun

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet who cares when I already have my Azuma gun and Scuttlegun

Scuttlegun at +10 even

[ionic magnet]

and why polaris got delayed

what to do with all these coins

[vague token]

melt into azuma gun

duh

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

Imagine not being boomer

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

good

useless event moved

[frail orbit]

Collection rate tho

Unless u dont even wanna flex that anyway pec

[zenith tundra]

this week for jp is as dead as it can be tbh (stupid quiz event). maybe devs took off too much vacation to do anything else

[frail orbit]

Still on corona anyway

[jagged steppe]

I thought en server will down in next 3 hour like usual

but its next 8 hour

[ionic magnet]

arent they supposed to be back already

extended holidays?

[jagged steppe]

then I blow all my x10

asdasdad

rip

[ionic magnet]

patchnotes say maint is only 4 hrs

[oblique marsh]

Yoon talking about not being a boomer and as a boomer again. We get it already. You're a boomer and proud of it.

[jagged steppe]

why everygame I play maint on thursday

[zenith tundra]

jp doesn't get anything really and en is just recycled and translated event. not much work done anyway

[oblique marsh]

I could just play a drinking game here in this channel every time he talks about boomers.

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

lmao

S for effort

[frail orbit]

@oblique marsh LMAO

Forgotten Wings is real anyway
And just my nature to bully others keks

[zenith tundra]

en doesn't even get the recycled event... they really are just slacking off

[frail orbit]

Which one?

[zenith tundra]

just saw patch notes

[frail orbit]

FW was rerun version tho

[zenith tundra]

polaris

[frail orbit]

Just be delayed anyway

Dun care

My research is the no 1 priority anyway

[keen sparrow]

polaris i only want that priority bp

[zenith tundra]

almost 16k. need to finish ws oath

[karmic forum]

You should be able to reach 17k with tirp and a few z-flags

[zenith tundra]

why would i care about reaching 17k with no chance of winning any match....

[karmic forum]

Oh you're trying to win

[zenith tundra]

that's legit bis gear

[karmic forum]

full level 120 comp still beats most things

Even if you're memeing

[hot creek]

sure if you're perpetually stuck in rank 1000

[zenith tundra]

that comp beat some meta stuff even on defense

[karmic forum]

I used PvP to level vanguard last season and barely had any problems

As long as you stick to a strong backline like Namaryuu you can run whatever you want in front

[hollow quartz]

Does it matter where I put Monarch in PvP attack? I tried putting her in middle it doesnt seem like it hits the enemy backline besides the flagship anyways

[hot creek]

Her barrage is supposed to aim at whichever backline is opposite of her.

[shell heron]

got my seattle gun complete too

now my nagato have the new PR2 gear

[frail orbit]

Am slapping it onto Wakai anyway

[shell heron]

hmmm WS is another good candidate for my 1st seattle gun

[zenith tundra]

ws high hit makes her a good candidate for seattle gun

it might still be better to put on flagship 1st

[hot creek]

welp, guess dido aint coming. wasted too many cubes on her at this point, not wasting anymore.

need them cubes for research

[zenith tundra]

idk about those priorities. i would pick dido (if i was sure i could get her) over wasting cubes on research

[hot creek]

I don't get the hype behind her.

[vague token]

pve

dps tank

apparently

another single 150mm user

except she has two aa buffs

she gets what, 15 and 6 per royal up to 24%

[upper sparrow]

is 406skc good on suruga?

[vague token]

that's what im using atm

[zenith tundra]

it's more like why waste cubes for research instead of a good ship

[hot creek]

I guess she's nice for w13. I don't really issues there though.

[vague token]

if she had the same barrage as black prince she probably wouldnt be strong

[hot creek]

its more like why waste cubes on a ship im not gonna really ever use over speeding up PR2

[vague token]

i mean, what if they give us qe retro

[hot creek]

I have thought of that scenario too

Still probably wouldnt get use in pvp

[vague token]

xD

i dont think dido will be good for pvp

no defense buff for vanguard hurts a lot

and her damage will be worse than noshiro's

[zenith tundra]

she has a 30s evasion buff

[vague token]

self

[zenith tundra]

torp bulge is only against torp memes

[vague token]

torp bulge is still damage reduction against ykkz and the odd amagi torp

[zenith tundra]

i still don't think is worth using noshiro

not with azuma around*

[vague token]

i mean, it'll still block 20% of ykkz torp

that's more than 15% self evasion

100% guaranteed

no rng required

[zenith tundra]

we are talking qe hms as base

because otherwise not ever gonna bother with dido

[vague token]

i mean, qe isnt worth using with dido

xD

just use standard hms and toss dido in will be better

[zenith tundra]

not for qe herself but for qe ws buff

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

i'll level both qe and dido for tests

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

but for now 1-1 for ws oath lol

[vague token]

im just getting dido to 100 but ill hold off on her

im going to 120 gloucester for the bismarck memes

0 ammo? only 0 problems

xD

[hot creek]

qe retro is what we're mostly talking about

hmm...

[vague token]

if qe retro gives her a barrage then you would probably use dido xD

over any other hms cl

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't get bad buffs from dido and ws can use the extra snipe ability

the main issue is azuma is too broken and that alone would make dido not really worth using

[vague token]

well yeah xD

i still think dido would have been better with a defense buff for dido class

bp and sirius already self buff damage

they dont need more fp/tp/rld to go with that

xD

if only they had the same barrage too >_>

bp extra sad

but she did get a skin so

guess that's a win

[zenith tundra]

all 3 of them with different barrages is weird

[hot creek]

dang i got another sandy

[vague token]

yeah and Dido has All Out Assault Dido

while BP has All Out Assault Dido Class

but hers looks like Sirius but weaker

xD

big brain consistency

[hot creek]

ok I did another 10 build without using quick finishers

we'll see if its fate

[zenith tundra]

good luck

[frail orbit]

Technically speaking

With all 3 having different gun IRL

Heck

[hot creek]

after maintenance

[zenith tundra]

for auto i would prefer dido over sirius

[frail orbit]

BP is Bellonna subclass

So yeah

[vague token]

i mean i would use dido over sirius in the majority of scenarios

her kit is much better for general use

[frail orbit]

Just HMS things of reordering shit

[zenith tundra]

i meant barrage

[frail orbit]

Just look at Town class

So basically

Different barrage

[vague token]

yeah but im pretty sure town class barrages are consistent

[frail orbit]

Since well

Different guns keks

[vague token]

if it says town it has the same barrage

[frail orbit]

At least with Towns

They have same guns

Differed only in size

So perhaps that's the basis

[vague token]

i would rather they change the name for dido's barrage

so it isnt as confusing xD

[frail orbit]

Low key wanted Royalist anyway

Since she invaded my country xD

[ionic magnet]

oops forgot to use charges again

see you next season

[hot creek]

Hey hooloo, how many rainbow guns you have now?

[ionic magnet]

just 19/50

its so rare now

[vague token]

im at 9 =/

[ionic magnet]

[frail orbit]

Fooken luccsacc

[vague token]

but i got one like 2 days ago

[frail orbit]

12/50

[hot creek]

[ionic magnet]

i remember first week i have 7 or 8

lol

[vague token]

i just want a seattle gun for sheffy

[forest lake]

23/25 on both Seattlegun and FdG gun

[ionic magnet]

but did you get skadi

[zenith tundra]

what a good maint reset

got 2 t2 retro bps and 300 gold from the quiz thing

[zenith tundra]

against a wasd essex

azuma might be too broken to run without nagato around at dev 30

[forest lake]

@ionic magnet 30 pulls, yes I did

get to save 100 rolls for Chen

[ionic magnet]

fellow cultured dokta i see

[zenith tundra]

btw fdg doesn't do dmg. against namagi ws

[elder crane]

What the heck
I'm already 2/25 on 2nd Seattle gun, and around there for the PR2 gold equips

And still just 6/50 on 457

[zenith tundra]

i made 6 seattle guns in the time for 1 457. doesn't seem that terrible

[elder crane]

Well compared to the "just" 19/50....

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure i got mine very late too

1.2 x week on average

[ripe latch]

12h - nothing
1h - 1 bp 457

[past egret]

Half way to second Seattle gun

This PR season has reaped fruits of unimaginable flavors for me

Aside from 457 BP’s

This image was taken last month 1/3/20

Since then, 0 457 blueprints

[sharp wing]

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

lol, Dido event still shows daily entries, but when trying to access it, says event already ended

[sharp wing]

So, got 23 SR cats and 0 with proper starting skills

[valid stirrup]

is namagi still the meta pvp defense team?

but wow, warspite kai and ykk just makes smashing through someone even with a disgusting backline possible

[sharp wing]

namagi is only decent def

but def is still whatever for proper fleet

[valid stirrup]

monarch one of the best defense fleet options if no namagi?

i feel like monarch+formidable will synergize a lot better than warspite kai+formidable

[sharp wing]

mona + formie has 0 synergy

same as warkai and formie

[valid stirrup]

stop enemies so vanguard of enemies can take the full blast of monarch shots?

[sharp wing]

monarch barrage shoots backline only

[valid stirrup]

ohh

[sharp wing]

Centaur synergises with BBs cause she gives them buff when they shoot

also that requires some offsetting

overall if u want to blast vg just bring kgv

or go for formie centaur comp

[valid stirrup]

I hope this fleet is cancer enuf for offense+defense

[sharp wing]

cent and formie are pretty bad on def

[valid stirrup]

I know,warkai ain't gr8 on def

[sharp wing]

same as warkai

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp wing]

most cancer def still namayuu

hyuu can at least block warkai

[valid stirrup]

Bunny's 15s thing been saving my ass so much

[sharp wing]

also place nanoda offtank and junie mid

mid nanoda die pretty fast

[valid stirrup]

Hrm? She's always the last to die for me tho

[sharp wing]

with sanrui as tank not as bad

but nanoda always goes offtank and junie either tank or mid

underlvled mid only tho

[ripe latch]

free food

[sharp wing]

Don't forget to thank for your food before meal.

[zenith tundra]

if u want a defense comp that's good for stalling u can use namgi suruga or ws amagi suruga

beyond that i don't think en has many choices for strong defense fleets before 457 and fdg

[sharp wing]

if u gonna use suruga, then hiryuu amagi suruga

ws not stalling anything

and easily countered

[zenith tundra]

i guess without 457 she isn't much of a thing

but dunno about hiryuu defense. her hp is really low for stalling even with her invulnerability

and losing nagato buffs just for an invulnerability doesn't seem worth

[elder crane]

Yep, and her output is on the weaker side without Nagato buff too

[sharp wing]

Poor shikikan

Oathing some1 else might be bad for their health

Swapped warkai to litt gun from izumogun cause fights end just after 2 volleys anyway

[shell heron]

I want a 2nd WSkai. Izumo gun for pvp and 406 mk6 for pve

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

Differnet saved loadout for pvp when?

[sharp wing]

Never

We dun have PVP even

[shell heron]

Its just pve in disguise

[sharp wing]

It's Cay vs Eldrie

[shell heron]

Elder Eldie needs offerings

[sharp wing]

Offer yrself up

[shell heron]

I'll offer up my body but not my pvp points

[sharp wing]

offer up yr "Sanity"

[vague token]

imagine not using triple torp backline

baka/suruga/amagi

[sharp wing]

And Gunboat VG

Bring yr mem to proper lvl

[vague token]

why settle for gunboat when you can guntorp with kitakaze

eventually

xD

[sharp wing]

Guntorp with Goddess Sandy

[vague token]

if only she had a torp stat

even if you jintsuu+noshiro boost it it's still low X_x

[sharp wing]

double dildo

[vague token]

135 efficiency >_>

[sharp wing]

I love my Mogamin w/ preload torps and double guns

If only sanrui had preload

[vague token]

that would be fun

[sharp wing]

magamin sister needs kai

[vague token]

i think my mogami will hit 120 from azuma + kitakaze grind

[sharp wing]

expgrind ends too fast

[vague token]

i tossed yuubari in to speed things up

[sharp wing]

can't lvl shit

[vague token]

i ran out of yellow t3s X_x

and red t3s

[sharp wing]

i was running yuubari w/ kinugasa and another white ca for exp and random affinity farm

road to 300 100 aff botes

in 3 years

[vague token]

how many are you at xD

[sharp wing]

idk

i just grind bote to 100 aff and grab next during exp farm

will need pr 3 soon

Russian bias when

true wows collab

Need to balance lonely trash avrora with another OP bote

[vague token]

dear god i havent used baka much but even with level penalty that barrage hits like a truck

plus free torpedo damage every so often xD

[ripe latch]

pr cv when

[vague token]

if we get that, i have 9-4 on safe for dem bps jk we'll never have enough cv bps to burn

[sharp wing]

Baka yeets heavies

unlike mamagi

I initially used it to counter hyuugas like back in early summer

think it was at 110 cap

[jagged steppe]

remove 20% dmg reduction from pvp

make pvp great again

[sharp wing]

Let manual pvp

[frail orbit]

^

[jagged steppe]

remove 20% reduction and remove restart then gigle

then wait people spamming omg nagato so op

[vague token]

[ripe latch]

no , ppl spam suruga op

[frail orbit]

Suru still gambling tho

Surugambling

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

suru isnt gambling if you use her as an fdg that does no damage xD

[frail orbit]

Also

Nagato gambling too

Nagambling

[ripe latch]

fdg manual

[frail orbit]

How much dadjokes I gonna pun away with anyway hmmmm

Anyway on a flight

[ripe latch]

anyway ppl not remove juneau from fleets

[keen sparrow]

make juneau only heal uss faction

[formal prism]

I just felt like. i got more than 10 attacks in...

[sharp wing]

It was reset this hour, so if u had over 5 attempts before reset and done all the way 0/10 post reset, you would do over 10

Basically gensui rush tactics

on second day

[foggy spire]

Let's say I'm planning to run pearl's tears on Sanrui

Would pearl's tears + toolbox or pearl's tears + PR rudder be better?

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

lol

[forest lake]

@foggy spire Tears+Boiler/Bulge

[jagged steppe]

I just start using rudder then I realize rudder so fucking good

I should'

ve farm more rudder

fk this game

[shell heron]

pearl Nagato

yes rudders are amazing

the fact that the maid event lets you farm them was stupid

[vague token]

was it though

[shell heron]

I don't seem to recall another event that has rudders

but I did sacrifice a lot of exp to farm

[shrewd galleon]

I was only able to farm 3 complete rudders from the maid event

[vague token]

i think i forgot some matches

rip

AK too strong

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

3 rudders is a lot

goddamn, how many rudders yall need?

[frail orbit]

More than 10 at +10

[shrewd galleon]

I wanted rudders...

the event was stupid easy...so why not?

[frail orbit]

Nothin came more rude than rudder anyway

[zenith tundra]

i have 112k and i wanted plates. so plates>rudder?

[shy hazel]

i didnt even farm it

eventually youll get saturated by rudders anyways

[shrewd galleon]

still new to the game...like less than 3 months in. So, I don't have a lot of good gear yet.

[hot creek]

Oh. That's pretty worth it then.

[charred sable]

you more or less want a minimum of 6 rudders for PvP. Ideally 12 though (6 for full PvP fleet + 3 for PvE mob fleet vanguards + 3 fo PvE boss fleet vanguards)

[hot creek]

6 rudders for pvp? omegalul dude

[charred sable]

1 on each, cause why not. Though probably dont need one for Yukikaze or Azuma

on CVs, better to go for speed as well

but in general, rudder is a good generic PvP gear

[frail orbit]

Also on Zoomer, hit stat aux needed? Or nope?

By zoomer i meant azuma

[hot creek]

If you're actually using 6 fucking rudders in pvp, something is wrong.

[charred sable]

6 gives you max flexibility. Who knows what the future meta could be

its like saying "only need 1 CV set cause current meta is Hiryuu + BBs"

you're best off having 3 CV sets for future-proofing. Even if you dont use em, there's still PvE usage

inb4 Akagi/Kaga Retrofits

[hot creek]

Still wouldn't ever need 6 rudders in pvp.

[frail orbit]

Am askin tho

Hit stat needed on azuma or nope

On aux sllot

[hot creek]

People use Rudder/Gyro on her apparently.

[charred sable]

Azuma's main purpose is to be a big-ass tank isn't it? So speed+evasion should be priority I'd assume

that gold wall thingy is also good for her due to the damage reduction

[hot creek]

If tanking was the only thing you need, Prinz would be top tier.

Azuma does a ton of gun damage so I imagine the accuracy helps.

Armor plating is a meme.

[coral wren]

Hi. Has anything changed since saruga release?

[hot creek]

Not really. Besides Noshiro being a new VG option

[coral wren]

gotcha

[jagged steppe]

im new to the game like 3 month my commander lvl 80

!

[ripe latch]

[abstract cypress]

why always ijn

[ripe latch]

god help me....

[abstract cypress]

other faction also need love

just farm at ur pace

[ripe latch]

farm project with projects

[abstract cypress]

wdym

[shy hazel]

help yourself

[past egret]

@ripe latch gl hf

Grinding her in week one was a fun experience

[shy hazel]

i finished all pr2 within 36 days

[coral wren]

The best spoiler if ever saw

XD

Just jocking