pvp

[elder crane]

Noshiro you mean

Tanky af

[frail orbit]

My Noshi still 110 I said

[zenith tundra]

with belgun...

[frail orbit]

So no time

[sharp wing]

looks about right

but 10k still low

[frail orbit]

So now

[elder crane]

Nagato stole all the dmg obviously

[zenith tundra]

my vg just died right when reached backlines

[elder crane]

Looks like a steamroll to me

[frail orbit]

Scuttlegun not Belgun mk2 eh

[zenith tundra]

it wasn't actually

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

it was 1 min fight

[elder crane]

Huh, that's surprising

[frail orbit]

[sharp wing]

probably naga failed 1st

[frail orbit]

Siriusly

[elder crane]

Usually Nagato only does that well on steamrolls

[sharp wing]

0 1 1 naga

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu died 1st so my vg just died faster

[elder crane]

Or like, it's probably other way around

When Naga procs that hard, you usually steamroll

[zenith tundra]

i saw hiryuu tanking like 3-4 mg shoots in invulnerability and nagato ended the fight with a barrage

[elder crane]

Ahh, so other mains being pepega then

[keen sparrow]

noshiro is op i try with lv 109 she can survive from namaryu with nanoda

[zenith tundra]

fdg on hiryuu usually final counters her faster then amagi but it ends up with shooting her more for some reason too

so more shoots end up in invulnerability

[frail orbit]

If surviving is the point then yes, am putting her too for test

But my point is to dmg, my dogma being XX slot do all the shit against fellow VGs alongside other utilities @keen sparrow

Also since it's noshirol we're talking about

[vague token]

imagine using a CA for vanguard dps

[frail orbit]

Am not having so much faith other than her torps

[vague token]

and watching them whiff all their shots

xD

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

her barrage does actual dmg tho

[frail orbit]

Just stick to my reliable buki anyway

Or siri for actual double cv shit since I ran wakai formie cent

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

Not to say am not having her CNY skin tho just bkoz I got her anniv skin which is better for me

[sharp wing]

Siri

Waiting goddamn WC archive for L2D

[forest lake]

I still need FW rerun for HPFCR and Vf

[sharp wing]

there will not be FW rerun tho

[forest lake]

time to perma quit then lmao

[frail orbit]

Remember

For EN plebs like us

Forgotten Wings, as in Fjordgotten over the Stars

[sharp wing]

mind you, jp/kr also had rerun version only

[frail orbit]

@sharp wing now dont remind me of fooken RAIL mofo

[sharp wing]

only CN had OG run

[frail orbit]

Iykwim

That right wing guy is basically

The reason why FW no rerun

Seriously

[sharp wing]

wut

[frail orbit]

@sharp wing OG artist of Colorado class

RAIL, being a mofo

[sharp wing]

eh

Be glad we got rerun at all

[frail orbit]

But no 2nd HPFCR

No 2nd Pirates

[sharp wing]

WC was yostar big fuccup tho

[frail orbit]

Imagine

WC with Siri

[sharp wing]

OG colorados art was good tho

But Mary best smile

[frail orbit]

@sharp wing edited by Manjuu to even be decent

[zenith tundra]

i rarely even use hsfcr. mostly on mk6 bb for mob clearing when leveling up

[frail orbit]

Seriously

Like how

U know WSG?

[sharp wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/633823447226515456/unknown.png

[frail orbit]

But well this is #off-topic rather lel

[sharp wing]

She attacc, she protecc, but most importantly... she smile

[zenith tundra]

i'll test more with belfast for belgun vs seattle gun on vg. i want to know if settle gun pattern and less fp actually makes it worse then belgun. also no torp just to be safe

[sharp wing]

I need to setup colorados def to make ppl OCD

[frail orbit]

Well

As WiS said

Belfast be like MUH CL FP but

[sharp wing]

WiS

[frail orbit]

WiS being unWiSe

[elder crane]

I think it's time to downtier some comps in our tierlist

Namabaka should defs go down at least to T1

[frail orbit]

As long as WFC still t0 or at least .5 it's fine

[elder crane]

Also how is Nakaga still T1 too

ehh, whatever, I'll leave it for now I suppose

since if we downtier that, then the stuff below needs to move too

too lazy

[zenith tundra]

u can say the changes i'll make them

[frail orbit]

At least til FDG advent

As for Nakaga, dunno. Haven't even used em for ages ever since Namahoe is there, and u know lah Namahoe superseded by Namaryu

WFC new Nakaga anyway

[elder crane]

Also, idk about putting Namagi Suruga at T0.5 with those HMS teams

At least on offense, it's doing just as well as T0 stuff

[vague token]

im having so much fun with suruga/ws/amagi

xD

[zenith tundra]

i didn't want to uptier it too much and imo not as strong as wfc and namaryuu in certain situations

[elder crane]

I think the FC teams might need to be dropped down
might wait to see how they play out with Azuma coming in though

[zenith tundra]

i think wfc becomes stronger the more the meta shifts towards bb only backlines

[frail orbit]

FC is reliable torps tho so

[elder crane]

Yeah, vs Hiryuu teams, Namagi Suruga isn't particularly good, but isn't bad either
she's really good vs WS teams though, since she can tank focus for a good 45 s or so vs HMS WS reliably, and 1 min + vs Namagi WS, at least without 457 around

[frail orbit]

Iykwim about slowtorpmeme, it's da wae anyway

[zenith tundra]

i tested suruga against ws 457 fdg focus and she could last around 40s+ consistently

[frail orbit]

Perhaps
Better make it a conditional tierlist perhaps

[elder crane]

I'm more thinking FC will do better the more Azuma is around
Should deal with that transition better than other teams, since FC will have less issues killing azuma compared to current vanguard compared to other teams

[frail orbit]

Which is why
It's all conditional for me

[elder crane]

I suppose I'll leave FC as-is for now
add in Hiryuu FC for T0.5 though, I think

[frail orbit]

Just watch #gameplay-help plebs being so fuzzy on tierlist anyway

[hot creek]

Hiryuu FC just opens you up to being trolled by a surviving enemy yukikaze whilst your VG is dead and you've not a single Aux to counter it.

[elder crane]

That's why you make sure you kill their vanguard

[zenith tundra]

aurora?

[frail orbit]

Anyway tho

Nod on magtorps?

Or nope?

[zenith tundra]

nod?

[elder crane]

Vanguard-busting setup on Centaur+Hiryuu chiming in means you kill their vanguard with 1st strike like 80% of the time, usually at most leaving a crippled yukikaze
Yeah, Aurora puts it at more like 90%, I prefer Sirius though since she's less likely to evaporate

[frail orbit]

Headnod @zenith tundra

[shell heron]

Hi blue. When will you move?

[elder crane]

Sandyret is a troll though it's not a CV meta why are you doing this

[zenith tundra]

ok wdym by on magtorp? u want to use mag on every ship if possible

[frail orbit]

@elder crane w13? Keks

[elder crane]

Torpmemes is also an issue for Aurora teams, not one for sirius though

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra rainbow magtorps

We got 2 on EN anyway

[sharp wing]

nep+nanoda if u would have to choose

[zenith tundra]

she should last enough for them

not juneau tbh

[elder crane]

Anyways, the worst matchup for HFC is actually imo Warkai Amagi Enty with Jun/Sandyret/Ykkz

you actually do really well vs the meta stuff

[frail orbit]

And who tf used enty heh

Now that's a visual pun

[sharp wing]

namaEnty still kinda popular

[zenith tundra]

ws enty even in jp is used quite a bit

[elder crane]

The issue is warkai+enty, that overloads your Hiryuu
or actually, maybe Warkai Enty Hiryuu, never saw that in particular though

Cause Enty is amazing vs CVs

[frail orbit]

If so just wabbits anyway

But even then

Wakaga is bad

How's wabbits

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu akaga?

[frail orbit]

@frail orbit nu

[hot creek]

I've seen enemy ykkz completely avoid airstrikes whilst getting unlucky with my own VG dying early one too many times, sometimes even one BB aux is not enough to finish her off. 3CV will always be a meme to me.

[frail orbit]

Wabbits being souhi wakai

[elder crane]

Also sandyret just cucks your vanguard kill
you can lose then if your vanguard dies and theirs doesn't, or if that means your main gets outtraded

[frail orbit]

Wakaga wakai akaga

[elder crane]

Jun/Sandyret/Ykkz can sometimes even survive the 2nd strike wave, which is pepega

[frail orbit]

Heard the wr being sad

[elder crane]

everything else though just evaporates

2nd strike then kills their main fleet

and Hiryuu holds the line if enemy hiryuu or Enty trolls you

She also has to hold the line vs WS though, which is where the issue comes in that I mentioned earlier

[zenith tundra]

formi can't tank till 2nd airstrike ws?

[elder crane]

not reliably

[sharp wing]

If ws doesn't miss...

[zenith tundra]

are the 2 other 0.5 hms gonna stay there?

[elder crane]

I don't know enough about traditional HMS to downtier it

I'd rather wait on someone who's tested that in current environment

[hot creek]

It's probably safe to down tier those ones, seeing how FC is so much better.

[elder crane]

feels like it should probably be T1

[hot creek]

I used to use those comps, well the QE variant. They had similar win rates of around 70% vs the meta.

[sharp wing]

And not long ago we laughed about HMS CVs

Now non cv hms is not top hms

How tables can turn

[hot creek]

HooLoo used Monarch variant the most

He can corroborate I'm sure

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

Just wait til FDG anyway

[sharp wing]

Where is my Shinano in Al tho

[frail orbit]

D30

[shy hazel]

shinano

that cv that only lasted a day

[elder crane]

please, Zack

what the heck did you do

[zenith tundra]

i moved the 2 hms comps to t1

[elder crane]

oh, just google docs bugging out for me, nvm

[zenith tundra]

i repositioned them

[elder crane]

gave me a huge white chunk, lol

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra which one zack?

[elder crane]

the traditional HMS comps

[zenith tundra]

kmc and kqc

[elder crane]

non-FC

waaait a sec

we don't have a warkai HMS comp

that should be T0.5 or T0

[sharp wing]

no1 bothered

[zenith tundra]

no one made one it seems

[frail orbit]

Also where tf is Wakai Mon Cent?

[elder crane]

that's what I mean

[frail orbit]

None tested it?

[elder crane]

no one bothered cause it's "known" to be good but not super duper amazing
hence idk if it should be T0 or T0.5

[hot creek]

I tested on on first day I had wsk. Not as good as FC. It has some consistency issues.

[elder crane]

probably T0, but I don't know it well enough

oh, T0.5 it sounds like then

[frail orbit]

Same

[elder crane]

you guys should add it in

[frail orbit]

Mainly being FC user

[zenith tundra]

sure

[forest lake]

I think I did WarKai Monarch Cent

Prefer KGV over Cent tho

Not using Cent mostly because I don't have Vf or a 2nd Reppuu

[sharp wing]

running double reppu no even optimal

[frail orbit]

Alas, perhaps replacing Cent with Formie? Even then not really optimal if u think about it

[sharp wing]

expose bombers

[elder crane]

I could test Warkai Monarch Cent
no KGV or QE leveled though, lol

or Formi in there somewhere

I do have formi leveled, lol, whoops, that was pretty misleading

[hot creek]

KGV/QE/WS Might be worth testing again. Idk if I tested that one thoroughly but QE/Monarch/WS was the one I tested the most.

Monarch is just not that great

[elder crane]

warkai + HMS BB + Formi is a bit lolwut

what's Formi doing for that team anyways, lol

[sharp wing]

doing angry moves

[hot creek]

You can sync with 406

[frail orbit]

No fooken AA anyway

And AA, I meant no fukin fighters

[hot creek]

I used QE/WS/Formi for awhlle too

[elder crane]

except warkai means you can't really sync that well

[sharp wing]

mark will force most 1st salvos in each volley go for backline anyway

[hot creek]

Just put HFCR radar on ws k

she can potentially aim the second volley at VG

[forest lake]

Tfw no hpfcr

[frail orbit]

@forest lake be a boomer then u got a HPFCR

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

"potentially" is a bit pepega imo
you're not going to reliably have any volleys aimed at their vanguard

[sharp wing]

Cent long lasting slow should be more reliable for that

[elder crane]

mk6 warkai in WFC at least does not reliably contribute any main gun shots at vanguard

yeah, cent is ok since she boosts main for whatever is shot at

though tbh her slow is too slow, since it's on-hit

at least for first reload

[hot creek]

Yeah well that goes to say for any volley not autoaimed from ws yellow skill too so

Back when I used QFC, QE would often nuke VG with Formi freeze

[elder crane]

that's why I decided that Formi doesn't work well with BBs in PvP, at least for the vanguard-stop part

it's wayy too unreliable

[vague token]

i think formi is more of team dr buff + flood backline pressure

• crash

[elder crane]

do you guys also feel that first salvo out of a BB normally is aimed at vanguard at least much more often than not?

[hot creek]

I guess technically its 50/50 but I always saw her sync up and aim at VG so maybe just bias

[vague token]

to support the two bbs

not for vanguard kill

[frail orbit]

Which is why u ran Cuda for Formie anyway

The kill is for well

Cent

[vague token]

but i dunno

[zenith tundra]

amagi seems to like doing that a lot

[elder crane]

idk, feels like either Amagi or cent is just better for that than formi is

[vague token]

i wouldnt use that ws+hms+formi

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

they are

[keen sparrow]

enty whyy

[vague token]

like MAYBE

kgv

maybe

it's still weird

just for 4 hms

i wouldnt use it though

[frail orbit]

Besides

[hot creek]

Anyways, I stopped using QE/WS/Formi cause get cucked by Enty REEE

[frail orbit]

The point of Formi is just to support the stop + fokin flood

[keen sparrow]

70% proc is shit

[frail orbit]

AND WHO TF USED QE

WHO TF USED QE

[vague token]

na, formi is a flexible ship

[frail orbit]

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

she doesnt have to be there for za warudo

[hot creek]

Centaur is the guardian against Enty.

[vague token]

you can just use the brute force

[elder crane]

QE+Warkai+Monarch supposedly 1-salvos focus target super reliably

[frail orbit]

Eh her ZA WARUDOOO da wae for vanguard kill anyway

[vague token]

lumber you way across the field and crash a billion planes into the backline

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

it's still boosted ws barrage plus 3 bb focus

[frail orbit]

Imagine a lumbering carrier doing kamikaze

And it's da wae

[elder crane]

in any case, it's also a super annoying def team if you don't have a way to survive boosted WS barrage+3BB

super ez if you do though

[hot creek]

QFC was legit before WFC came in. Although some would say KFC was better

[vague token]

everyone loves kfc

jk

[frail orbit]

@hot creek KFC has better breast and thighs anyway

[elder crane]

KFC used to be better

[frail orbit]

Since it's KFC

[elder crane]

just like in AL

[frail orbit]

Nu KFC is da wae

McD sucks anyway

[vague token]

i get my fried chicken from other places now

xD

[elder crane]

ikr

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

does ws monarch cent want to focus target with monarch ws or split on 2?

[forest lake]

Ah ok
Gonna head into new season with new fleet then

[vague token]

monarch mid maybe?

[hot creek]

I hear American fast food chains are legit in foreign countries. But here in America, the fast food chains all went down in quality.

[vague token]

dunno on that one

[forest lake]

Monarch Spite Cent Noshi Juneau Ykkz

[frail orbit]

@hot creek am not even Murican anyway, being from Indog there

Worst chain being McD for me

Also Monarch on mid for focusing her barrage perhaps?

Just like boomer Hood times

[forest lake]

Ye using Monarch mid so shit doesn't get overkilled

[keen sparrow]

3 try 2 lose 1 win

[vague token]

id rather use kgv mid over monarch

but that's just me

monarch is like sanrui for me, big bait

[keen sparrow]

monarch kill ws kai

[frail orbit]

@vague token at least red haired oppai mordred tho

[forest lake]

So far doing fine
Using Juneau lead with Bulge but stuff usually gets sniped off before Juneau heal

And Pearl

[hot creek]

Monarch indeed overrated, but probably not to the degree Sanrui was lol.

[zenith tundra]

@hot creek u tested ws monarch cent. was it better to focus 1 target down or split?

[frail orbit]

Now that's derp . . .

Perhaps bottom?

[keen sparrow]

my elixer not ready yet under lvl

[vague token]

what can i say, my MGM+1 bias baited me to the sanrui rush

xD

but in 3 months ill have the ultimate MGM+1 gunboat so it's fine

[hot creek]

I don't think I tested that comp much. I can't really say for sure.

[zenith tundra]

tank gunboat u mean

[frail orbit]

@vague token just say u wanter asszuma awss

[vague token]

i mean, even as tank she'll still out dps all other CAs

cause she doesnt die as fast

xD

[frail orbit]

Thicc front and rear end afterwards

[vague token]

pvp needs productions

so we can use scaling boats

like minne

[hot creek]

Trying to "focus" anything with Monarch is just frustrating.

[frail orbit]

@hot creek 0 luck and all
Unless u FS5 her

[keen sparrow]

[hot creek]

I've got her max sim'd, pretty sure it doesnt help that much either lol

[forest lake]

Ight prolly sticking to this fleet undefinitely
Doing solid
Gonna work on Noshi and Centaur affinity

[keen sparrow]

that hololive aux not bad hit + eva

[zenith tundra]

would this be a good test for ws monarch cent?

[forest lake]

It can be

[hot creek]

Probably, if their Juneau doesn't die too fast.

[frail orbit]

Namawakai with Sanrui
Seems fine

Since Sanrui just do nothing anyway

[zenith tundra]

i'll use belfast as 3rd

[vague token]

you think that's big brain, true big brain is using zflag

gotta pad that fleet power

https://gyazo.com/700871e3a210a9d5434204d0917d0a07

[frail orbit]

Imagine if zflag could be used on yukikaze

103 luck stat

[vague token]

too bad it cant go on azuma

xD

[keen sparrow]

double zflag

[zenith tundra]

what gun for ws 406 or 381 in WMC?

don't want to test with 457 if possible

[forest lake]

406mk6 HPFCR

[keen sparrow]

381

[zenith tundra]

does it even match with cent with hsfcr?

[keen sparrow]

nope

[hot creek]

I remember at one point I could sync Monarch and Centaur with 381 but that may have only been possible with QE's reload buff

[forest lake]

Oh right I forgot Centaur buffs stuff

Just use 406mk6

[hot creek]

and, like it was barely synced lol. Like barrage was already midair and Centaur launch right before they landed

[keen sparrow]

qe retro pls

[forest lake]

I'm not even trying to sync Monarch with Cent

Since her RLD skill could fuck shit up

[zenith tundra]

https://imgur.com/a/bjSaxhV

[frail orbit]

@hot creek and for whatever reason mon cent sync anyway?

Seems that it was for killing vanguards but . . .

[forest lake]

I prefer Monarch mid

[hot creek]

Just to get FP buff during barrage/volley

[forest lake]

So shit doesn't get sniped too fast and Monarch gets a little irrelevant

[zenith tundra]

i just noticed nagato top in that comp lol

[jagged steppe]

suddenly the urge to whale centaur

[hot creek]

lul seems we all missed it.

[frail orbit]

@jagged steppe just lood her even if she's a boomer

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

even on jp there's still nagato top huh

[frail orbit]

Centaur + Orc

Typical doujin shit

[jagged steppe]

rofl

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

i swear i see it at least 3 times every season

[hot creek]

too bad there aren't any Centaur doujins feelsbadman

[vague token]

that's surprising

xD

[jagged steppe]

where is wishing well

[hot creek]

but im sure you can find a look a like elf

[frail orbit]

Nagatop seriously tho

[zenith tundra]

wasted 5 refreshes. i'll try this and hope for something better after

[jagged steppe]

I start playing this game on wishing well last day lmao

[frail orbit]

Sirius lee

An ass zuma

[sharp wing]

u ass

[frail orbit]

still no d30 tho

[vague token]

not dev 30

but close enough

[frail orbit]

Ye

[zenith tundra]

it's a good comp just no oaths

[vague token]

[elder crane]

I just realized, but Noshiro aux can be like many pairs of:
Boiler
Rudder
Box
Fire Ext
Bulge
Badge
Oxytorp
Pearl
....lol

[vague token]

the possibilities are endless!

xD

[hot creek]

I fought a 120 4 star, gun equipped zoomer yesterday, it was kind of scary.

[elder crane]

you can argue for most of the pairs there, lol

[hot creek]

had to reset first match cause my VG just sat there and ate BB shells.

[vague token]

i hate it when my vg just sits in shells

and theirs doesnt

[hot creek]

Second match she almost survived second airstrike I think lol.

[elder crane]

or when your vanguard decides to eat all torps
and their vanguard baits homing of all your torps but nobody gets hit

[vague token]

well, i havent had as many problems with torps

cause noshiro laughs

and then triple nep gun just runs down squishy torp users

[elder crane]

though with Noshiro, I actually find eating torps with vanguard is better than letting them hit main, lol

[vague token]

yeah

plus they dont damage you after the fact

a torp might crit you once for 2k-3k

[forest lake]

i just realized I don't have a 4th Boiler

[vague token]

but that's it

[zenith tundra]

3 nagato barrages...

[vague token]

meanwhile you soak a shell and that's 1k, and it keeps burning

and you cry

[elder crane]

yeah, Noshiro

I don't think I've lost my lead jun to opening torps yet, ever since I started running Noshiro

it's great

[vague token]

same

and of course running triple bb against hiryuu, losing vg to shelling is the worst trade

xD

[frail orbit]

Well

NoshirOP

[vague token]

i might swap to sheff u

to boost sheff's durability a little more

since she shields herself too

im not sure on math though

[meager dawn]

double sheffy memes

[vague token]

no space

juneau =/

if pearl healed 35 but couldnt stack with juneau we'd have more flexible vg comps

or 25

[meager dawn]

how do you make it not stack

[vague token]

we have things that check Per Map

pvp is like a 1 battle map

[shy hazel]

no

yes

[meager dawn]

just slap it on a different ship

[vague token]

just use like, u-522's once per map counter

xD

[shy hazel]

ykkz is in the normal pool

why is ppl still using

[vague token]

it adds a ui element

[shy hazel]

sheff

[forest lake]

Oh wait lmao

[shy hazel]

[meager dawn]

why not

[forest lake]

Didn't hit Leave battle

+9

[vague token]

sheff is the best maid that's why

;)

[shy hazel]

if its not the best

its trash

[frail orbit]

Nod best maid anyway

[vague token]

belfast
sheffield

[frail orbit]

Aka the worst

[vague token]

nepnod isnt a maid?

[forest lake]

You're the maid

[meager dawn]

She's a headnod

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

either rng or hiryuu snipe is better somehow

[vague token]

i thought she was a waitress or something

hiryuu snipe is good depending on your backline

xD

triple low aa bbs? snipe hiryuu

[forest lake]

Ight final product

Yeptune cucced

[zenith tundra]

wow

thank god namaryuu everywhere

[vague token]

lel

[frail orbit]

[forest lake]

[jagged steppe]

why is enemy nagato trigger 4 times in a row im lazy af to restart

[forest lake]

Gitgud

[shy hazel]

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

[jagged steppe]

5th the fuck

[shy hazel]

i dont need to restart even if enemy triggered 3 times

they wont trigger 4th time cos they dead by then

[forest lake]

Wth is that fleet

[zenith tundra]

this comp seems ok

[forest lake]

[jagged steppe]

poor people fleet

L:KFMA

NOW I KNOW WHY I LOSE

asdadasd

[vague token]

lul

[shy hazel]

good

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

well

even if thats geared

foxes are already old shit meta

so youll lose anyways

[jagged steppe]

I use one fox

my brain so big

[shy hazel]

you mean bicc brain

[zenith tundra]

this vg is scarry

how is centaur supposed to kill vg? mine keeps missing it lol

[forest lake]

Ryuusei and rng

[frail orbit]

There's a reason

Why tf

[jagged steppe]

1 enterprise stand as usual

[frail orbit]

FORMIE ZA WARUDOOO

For Cent

That's it

A FORMIDABLE CENTAUR

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze

she is so hard to kill

[vague token]

[meager dawn]

NANODA

[shell heron]

Kill her with fire...oh wait she has fire suppressor

[sharp wing]

Rusher gang smh

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

I guess I'll go with lucky number, 13

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

I want to slap that Lapp

btw, 11-13 same score

[zenith tundra]

after 3 tests with belfast only mg dmg for both belgun and seattle gun it's like this

seattlegun 29977dmg 130s 230dps
namaryuu 13813dmg 55s 251dps (juneau azuma yuki)
namaryuu 5450dmg 30s 181dps (ibuki aurora noshiro)
nakaga 10714dmg 45s 238dps (yuki takao jintsuu)

belgun 25274dmg 152s 166dps
namaryuu 8440dmg 37s 228dps (juneau ibuki jintsuu)
namaryuu 7851dmg 65s 121dps (azuma juneau yuki)
hms 8983dmg 50s 179dps (belfast javelin aurora)

they aren't much for tests but it still seems that seattle gun should be superior

[shell heron]

@elder crane are you moving anytime soon?

[vague token]

i mean it has those busted armor ratios

[sharp wing]

I unequipped buki torps

much ca gundps

[vague token]

dps? more like whiff

[sharp wing]

She tries hard

[frail orbit]

Imagine

Buki no torps

That's it

U a bully

[sharp wing]

nou

[frail orbit]

[sharp wing]

It's a special training

buki gunnery training

[frail orbit]

Might as well just slip a torpedo onto her

[sharp wing]

I will slip a tor-pedo into you

[frail orbit]

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

Am not even lol icon

Ark is

And Glorious too

[sharp wing]

eww

Glo too

After all this talk

[frail orbit]

All Kincora ships sans Malin being lood anyway

Also as to note
All Kincora CVs got double torp slot and a fighter keks

[sharp wing]

Hide yr lolies

[forest lake]

I can make a little sister for you

[sharp wing]

I can make you a little sister

[meager dawn]

[sharp wing]

Exu no floof

[forest lake]

What

Sounds good

[meager dawn]

wat

[frail orbit]

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

should nakaga be downtiered? i can barely win this

when i just don't straight lose to it

[karmic forum]

Using nakaga in 2020

[past egret]

Ah I see the problem

It seems you are using ships labeled as “carriers” and not “battleships”

[sharp wing]

The tiering just made bad, t2 comps should be made t3 and half t1 comps made t2

akaga being t1 after summer is pepega

[zenith tundra]

i would down tier both amakaga and nakaga. they both kind of suck against ws defense

no one to tank

[sharp wing]

many of those things don't belong to same tier

then again, ppl only care about t0

so no point bothering with t1 and below

just call it not t0

[zenith tundra]

rip my test target... he unequipped his comp

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/f80938b9ce1c0c8f49d5a2157b73c7e8

birmingham

big thonk

[sharp wing]

some ppl never heard she was nerfed

[vague token]

she still died before juneau

xD

pew pew

[sharp wing]

no doubt

[zenith tundra]

her buff is for flag which doesn't help against ws

[vague token]

she's still one of the better cleveland class though xD

[zenith tundra]

and it's only burning

[vague token]

not having anti air is nice

[zenith tundra]

for how useful clevelands are in pvp that doesn't say much

[sharp wing]

she is just there for eva tank role

[vague token]

triple nep gun too much damage for cls to tank unless you're belfast

xD

[sharp wing]

there actually nice balance now in Cleves

3 bae cleves

and 3... gae tomboy cleves

Biloxi is Cleve

[vague token]

gloucester and biloxi got gud skins

[sharp wing]

Glou...

Biloxi not so much

Still missing her

scam trap light build

[vague token]

biloxi's skin is gud though, plus she has the same blood colored drink dork has

[sharp wing]

She would look nice in some dress

But it's Cleve after all

[vague token]

i like them in suits =(

gentry knight

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

im a sucker for cool types

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

got my aotn =D

[sharp wing]

Welcome to the club

[forest lake]

[vague token]

had to wait

[sharp wing]

season is pretty dead, even with 6 or more missed tickets I got gensui just with 1 ticket on 1st reset today

[vague token]

xD

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

I waited this long for a +1

[empty grove]

This season hurts my soul

[shell heron]

the highest score this season is gonna be interesting

maybe I'll be r1

[empty grove]

Inb4 some rando none of us recognise gets 2600+

[shell heron]

inb4 it's some rando that is lurking here now

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

great. I rerolled one list of sandbaggers into another

first it's stella

and now it's you

[shy hazel]

oh

its final reset

[shell heron]

use them refreshes now

come next reset, you will be baited

[shy hazel]

i cant reset if i already used all

[shell heron]

time to check if I claimed all my cubes today

[shy hazel]

oh

my calcs

ill end up most likely

[shell heron]

good I did

[shy hazel]

at 88

[zenith tundra]

that's really low

[shy hazel]

top 6 or 7

i always end up at 88 average anyways

casual sandbag what

.

[shell heron]

I'm currently 91 +/- 5 with any bonus points soon

so yes this season is low

[shy hazel]

i always end up at 88 at slow seasons

93 at fast

thats the limit of not waking up to one reset

i rmber when i had a weeklong mountain hike

i got 98 ending score cos i was awake at all resets

lol

[shell heron]

wasn't that the one season you ended r3?

[shy hazel]

dunno

forgot

[ripe latch]

looks like sakura gold better then iron quad

[forest lake]

Dabbing in 2020

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

@shell heron
Rip, I missed 5 matches this reset, so I was already off to sleep, despite the low score....

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

my server end season

[shy hazel]

y u so far

[zenith tundra]

6 attempts lost to sleep

sleeping trough alarm is fun

[shy hazel]

my sleeping habit is weird

but static

i wake up before my clock does

always

[past egret]

Does this apply to all ships in the fleet or only one

[shy hazel]

the first one who procs

1

[past egret]

Aight

[shy hazel]

dont even play to use that in pvp

[past egret]

I read once per battle but couldn’t find anything about limiting it to one ship

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

even when i was working my sleeping schedule was all over the place because of shifts.

[shy hazel]

it works the same as vestal

[past egret]

She doesn’t seem to bad her other skill with +15% fire power and the ability to mount Seattle gun + French DD gun seems decent

[shy hazel]

the first ship who procs low hp gets the buff

its only 1

per battle

[zenith tundra]

now is way worse. when i want to do pvp i have to force myself to wake up at 5am...

[past egret]

Waking up at 5 am unwillingly sounds painful

[shy hazel]

thats why u dont force yourself

and just do it as soon as it resets

[zenith tundra]

i just fuck my sleeping schedule till i go to bed at like 10pm

[shy hazel]

about 11pm

generally japanese ppl sleep at 10pm

well its jp server so yea

[zenith tundra]

well i have long reset time in between 5pm and 5am

[shy hazel]

i dont bother waiting

i just do everything when i sleep

[past egret]

Same

[shy hazel]

thats why i only end up top 2 at most

[zenith tundra]

if i actually try might as well give it all

[past egret]

The 8pm reset I do my 5x rush and zzz till morning to begin sandbagging

[zenith tundra]

my best score was still 9 pts behind 1st... so far away even tho that season i fucked like 2 resets after aotn because i wasted refreshes

+32 +31 +29 in 25m

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i shouldn't have done the last one tbh. it's like a 139 without other bonuses

[coral wren]

Why isn't Siri/Aurora/Yuki listed as a VG option for KFC or WFC?

[sharp wing]

cause siri+aurora way overkill u just make yr vg too paper and no juneau in cv comp makes it much less durable

[ripe latch]

more meme fleets

[granite flame]

ive seen that guy

that barrage fleet pretty bad

[sharp wing]

jb is not barrage bote

[elder crane]

Aurora alone is enough for FC to delete their vanguard
The issue is how you win after that, given your vanguard will sometimes be deleted soon too
Also if they RNG torpteam your Aurora, gg

[jagged steppe]

restart

[ripe latch]

aurora 🚮

[fiery flare]

So i've seen that bel, juneau and ykkz are best for stalling in some page, but what about black prince instead of bel? She also has smoke screen, and better red skill with juneau's help. Can equip DD guns and has better AA.
So is black prince better than bel or am i missing something?
(Ik it's for stalling, but for the sake of being better)

[jagged steppe]

blackprince release gas imidiately

belfast counter fox

isn't it

[fiery flare]

They have the same smokescreen ability

[jagged steppe]

blackrpince last 5s

belfast last 10s

isn't it

belfast release 10s delay the same time enemy akagi releasing plane

blackprince doesn't do anything

also blackprince boob is slightly smaller than belfast

[ripe latch]

foxs not danger corp , formi + enty more danger

belf not help

[jagged steppe]

how about using all ship depend on enemy lineup like me

nvm using enterprise helena all the way

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra best noshiro equip?

[sharp wing]

bp has much less hp and less damage

[fiery flare]

I see..bel's smoke help reduce air dmg, but prince's boobs don't look any smaller than bel's. Even slightly

[sharp wing]

and bp usual smoke

[vague token]

dunno why you would use bp over belfast

unless you need anti torpedo smoke

but then you might as well run noshiro

[sharp wing]

meh

[jagged steppe]

you need to know how to calculate girl's 3 size with glance

[vague token]

and have 0 rng

[sharp wing]

bel is one of best all arounders

[fiery flare]

Well we talked about the why just recently

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

her crit skill with only 1 MGM is not better than belfast's HE boost

much less the 20% fp

[sharp wing]

bel has good fp and high eff

and bel has good torps

[vague token]

the 20% fp from eagle ships just puts her at the same FP baseline as belfast

[sharp wing]

dido class torps are decorative

torps more important

[vague token]

meanwhile belfast has a torpedo stat, and her HE skill is amazing

[sharp wing]

and she has 300 more hp

[vague token]

and more luck

xD

[sharp wing]

360

[fiery flare]

Not without another CL gun. That's why i mentioned the DD gun

[jagged steppe]

guess what that rainbow dildo used for?

[sharp wing]

that's accounting for dd gun

[vague token]

fleet power padding?

xD

[jagged steppe]

why would a girl use dildo

thinking

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

bp doesnt have the MGM+1 to out dps belfast

if the dido line had MGM+1

hoo boi

good stuff

[sharp wing]

[fiery flare]

mgm+1 is traded for torps with a few exceptions tho

[vague token]

meanwhile sandy laughs at that trade

huge barrage, huge gun deeps

although her torps are just for fun

xD

[fiery flare]

And yes, it's obviously accounting for a dd gun

[sharp wing]

gun damage is pretty irrelevant in pvp compared to torps

[jagged steppe]

im still waiting for enty proc helena proc and sandy barrage

[vague token]

dd gun damage is the only one that is relevant cause it can actually aim

too bad all the good dd gun users get slaughtered by BIG SEVEN

[sharp wing]

dido class uses dd gun to do damage with barrage tho

they don't use 138 etc.

[fiery flare]

And there we have it.
Tho it's neither about the damage that answered the question

[jagged steppe]

the feeling of battling enemy nagato

[sharp wing]

What was even the question?

[vague token]

which is why azuma is the only relevant gun damage

xD

[sharp wing]

[jagged steppe]

is any muse ship useful for pvp?

I dont wanna spend cube and save for nagato or something

[sharp wing]

even for pve

[fiery flare]

isn't azuma the best pvp vanguard? With that massive hp

[sharp wing]

she is

[vague token]

na in pve cn moved balti and minne up

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

team up with noshiro

[ripe latch]

put azuma on corp

enemy ibuki - my prey

[vague token]

more like, azuma just soaks the torps anyways

[sharp wing]

ibuki will not do it

[vague token]

because she has 50% more hp

so who cares

[sharp wing]

azuma has over 17k hp with pvp mults

[ripe latch]

4-5k crits

[sharp wing]

and offense buff

and that's on heavy mains

5k is a myth

[vague token]

non-noshiro heavy

xD

[sharp wing]

5k is meme double dildo only

and she will sink pretty fast

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

Why we dun have clear dorm button

have to replace ships manually

mostly for second floor

[elder crane]

ehh, Sirius and BP still use the 130 mm, or 138 if you can't spare that
Dido herself though wants twin 100 mm, her barrage is almost as good as Nep's
Lol BP or Dido in PvP though

[vague token]

does dido not have the dido class barrage?

[elder crane]

She has a speshul enhanced barrage

Sirius also doesn't have the dido-class barrage, it's also special enhanced

does BP even want the 130 then?

[vague token]

it days all out assault dido

[elder crane]

I just assumed hers was the same as Sirius

[vague token]

on both bp and dido

but bp looks more like sirius

and not dido

but sirius is all out assault sirius

the hell manjuu

[elder crane]

looooool, gg translators, as usual

Dido has own barrage

it's almost as good as Nep's

better than Noshiro's, I think? not sure on that since torps aren't super obvious to eval

[vague token]

probably, torp barrages are weird

but still, triggered by these skill names

[elder crane]

anyways, Dido gets like a million shots iirc

oh, remembered wrong, it's 3 arrow patterns

in any case, it should be very much worth using the 100 mm on her

[vague token]

yeah, 3 waves

oh bp has a couple less shots than sirius i think

[sharp wing]

siri has 3 reverse arrows, bp/dido 2

[vague token]

bp doesnt share a barrage with dido

[sharp wing]

it's called Dido class

on bp

[vague token]

and it means nothing

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

it is a lesser sirius barrage

dido has 3 waves of ap/normal

in a wedge

[sharp wing]

ah

ye it's weird

[vague token]

yet still the same barrage name

[sharp wing]

anyway, she is totally 100mm user

[vague token]

because manjuu is drunk

xD

[elder crane]

btw those central shots

are two overlapped shots for Dido

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

most mirrored barrages are like that

cause devs coded them lazily

[sharp wing]

They indeed have diff anme

[elder crane]

any shots on center line are actually 2 shots for mirrored barrages

[sharp wing]

Bp says Dido Class and has generic icon
Dido says just Dido and has special icon

[vague token]

xD

not misleading at all

[sharp wing]

well

and dido class is just sirius but -1 wave

[vague token]

yeah

[sharp wing]

but Dido is super specul

[elder crane]

pattern is diff for sirius...

dido-class is linear straight

sirius barrage converges to a laser

[vague token]

it is still really close though

like design wise it makes sense as a fancy dido class barrage

[sharp wing]

ye

[elder crane]

ye

[vague token]

didos barrage doesnt resemble it at all

[sharp wing]

I don't see the laser part there

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

well, not really a laser, but it's fairly tight

[sharp wing]

they just converge

[elder crane]

if you control it well, you can actually land all of the shots on one target

[sharp wing]

that needs good distance

[elder crane]

yep, when I manualed Sirius, I just tried to land one half close in, lol

it's too hard to line up that far

[sharp wing]

yeah

and if target is moving

it takes like 1 sec

when she starts casting till it converges at one point

and it deals a lot of damage to light

Noshiro HE also cannot burn

But hardest hitting barrage after nep

still

[vague token]

is it really HE if it doesnt burn xD

[sharp wing]

most vg ap barrages don't pierce too

if not all

[vague token]

exactly, barrages dont need rules

they do what they want, no labels attached

[sharp wing]

well, things like Eldridge...

Her barrage is Ap...

and it ... pierces

[vague token]

it also doesnt go straight forward xD

[sharp wing]

but it's actually electric balls that zap you and go through...

jav and z23 pierce

there only 13 vg Ap barrages

also not all full ap, like Dido

oh, roon pierces too

I also would implement for Seattle equipped with double cl guns same volleys count rule as for Yat Sen and make both guns count

also it would be really tough

🍝

[vague token]

🍝

[shell heron]

Shit. Do I eat a +9 or use a precious refresh

[empty grove]

Use a refresh

Not like the gap is that big

[shell heron]

I can wait a little but longer. 1 match left