pvp

[sharp wing]

Sandy

[fair prism]

*helena

yeeeeee

[sharp wing]

Junie Helena Balti

pray for Helena RNG

pat her

[fair prism]

why not sandy junie balti

[sharp wing]

sandy pretty pointless

[fair prism]

oh

[sharp wing]

Helena + cv combo is pretyy strong

Enty+Helena one of oldest things ever existed in pvp

[ripe latch]

not proc helena meme

[sharp wing]

restart 10 time for Helena to be in mood

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

Bad shitkicans make her sad

Helena can be blown out of water nowadays before she can proc anyway

[past egret]

For me it’s only one of them proc’s and the other is moody and refuses

[fair prism]

so step 1 to winning PvP is reset until helena is in mood

[sharp wing]

well, basically

[past egret]

Yes

That’s what I do

[fair prism]

noice

[past egret]

Outdated comp FTW

[fair prism]

whys sandy useless tho

is this pre retrofit meme

[past egret]

She is good against foxes but not HiryuAmagiNaga

[jagged steppe]

what is this

[sharp wing]

Balti buffs cvs, helena debuffs enemies, Junie makes you win...
What Sandy does again?

[sharp wing]

Yr ship lvls to 120

[jagged steppe]

what the

[ripe latch]

[past egret]

Seattle op

[shell heron]

Yes. Fleet tech bonus

[sharp wing]

fleet tech bonuses

[jagged steppe]

dual boiler?

[past egret]

Speed

[sharp wing]

acquiring, mlb, 120

[past egret]

Speed and HP

[sharp wing]

is that seattle?

[sharp wing]

damn memers

[past egret]

@sharp wing yes

What’s wrong with Seattle

[sharp wing]

2 boilers + beaver more than enough for speed anyway

At least in Azuma era there fewer torpmemes

so might skip on bulges

inb4 you meet Noshiro Azuma Buki comp

[shell heron]

[sharp wing]

Blown out of water

Deleted

[ripe latch]

use noshiro everywhere

[misty garnet]

noshiro is worth using?

[past egret]

IJN cruiser

[sharp wing]

noshiro is new best flex spot

[past egret]

Seattle

[ripe latch]

USA cruiser

[sharp wing]

Tryhard memers

[shell heron]

On paper. She looks really good.

Waiting on 120 to test her

[sharp wing]

noshiro free bulge already op

can do diverse loadout

[shell heron]

My HP potion already have a hard time sinking already sometimes

[past egret]

who needs bulges when you dodge all the torpedoes

[shell heron]

Do i need her to live even longer

[sharp wing]

maybe

[past egret]

or rather entire vanguard is so fast they catch every fucking torpedo

[sharp wing]

Junie never dies

yeah, speed can be rather counterproductive in torpedo catching evading

[past egret]

I’ve been trying that Z fleet from the German guy I’m orbiting

Usually the fleet is so fast they absorb every torp

[ripe latch]

@past egret seattle and sandy on fleet only for barrages?

[past egret]

Sounds more like a fuck your carriers fleet

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

lol

Should already run Balti with 3 uss cv

such waste

[ripe latch]

sandy better

[sharp wing]

running sandy vs 2 bbs

[past egret]

Balti Seattle Juni sounds

But Balti is so fucking slow

[sharp wing]

but u have double boiler seattle

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

3 boilers balti same as 2 boiler cl

[past egret]

Balti be slowing down the entire fleet and also her evasion is 🚮

[sharp wing]

you just put rudder on her

[past egret]

Was thinking Washing machine and boiler

Right

[sharp wing]

and pearls

and 3 boilers on others

[past egret]

Good thing this event is giving us so many blueprints for wash machines

[sharp wing]

I already had enough

[misty garnet]

Azuma + Noshiro + (Yuki or Jintsuu)?

[sharp wing]

buki

[ripe latch]

Sagibuki

[sharp wing]

I had her do 34k today

[past egret]

24 points ahead of top rusher if I did a full 9x rush (9/10)

Living the good life

[vague token]

or run sirius with 3 cv

xD

[fair prism]

what o i put on junie

[sharp wing]

well, the problem they want full USS, siri is hms

[vague token]

oh

faction purists

_>

[past egret]

KMS FACTION SUPREME RACE SUPERIOR ABOVE ALL FOREVER PURE

I do enjoy my full USS fleets

[fair prism]

wat does sirius do again

[sharp wing]

buffs cvs

and gets selfbuffs from cvs

[vague token]

10% aviation boost, but more notably hit rate boost

her own stats wont be amazing but she does buff her own fp

3 cvs gives her 212 fp

she really needs a defense buff like dido xD

[fair prism]

hmm is the hit rate boost or aviation really worth it?

some guy said the aviation fuel is much better than a gold catapult because stats scale bad or something idk

[sharp wing]

gold cata not used in pvp

generally

[fair prism]

why not

isnt it like 80 aviation

[sharp wing]

for pvp u use avgas

for planes hp and speed

and second item is defensive or beacon

[fair prism]

hmm k

[forest lake]

Oh shit

Missed 5 tix

[karmic forum]

F

[empty grove]

[forest lake]

CNY + AK is one killer combo

[merry shoal]

um do you guys try to stay above 1k place to get the 90 merit or is does not matter?

[hot creek]

for most of us it just automatically happens

just do your matches

[merry shoal]

well when i do mine i am usually 1100 is to get my

plus 1

[hot creek]

Oh you mean while sandbagging? yeah no we're not gonna rush just for merits.

[fair prism]

whats sandbagging?

[merry shoal]

gotcha

[hot creek]

sandbagging just means waiting for your opponents to do their matches before you do yours

[ionic magnet]

okay things settled down in AK now

soooo how to save this season

[sharp wing]

You are beyond salvation

[ionic magnet]

wonder how many pts i can get if i fight this guy

[smoky elk]

might worth skipping tix to see the "Doctor"

[ionic magnet]

feelsbad i got dev15 azuma but still 17/25 with her gun

[karmic forum]

You want to be slow with her gun

Because every bp you see after you complete it will hurt your soul a bit

[vague token]

i mean, we still have alaska

she'll be able to use a 2nd one

;)

[karmic forum]

If Azuma didn't have her skill

Would you be using that gun over the AP one?

[ionic magnet]

but i wanna use her now

[vague token]

just use sanrui gun

xD

barrage every 8 is fine

[smoky elk]

but she 'll have very limited firing arc, using some CA gun(s)

[hot creek]

im at 13 seattle gun 21 zuma gun. kill me

already saw people witb completed seattle guns

[forest lake]

Won't you have enough for an Azumagun once she reaches Dev25

But yea if you want to use Azuma no matter what Sanrui gun is your best bet
Otherwise 283mm skc

[hot creek]

All my PR2 equip BP seem to all be going towards 🚮 AA gun

[forest lake]

Already crafted 2

FdG and Seattle gun at 18/25 Azuma gun 16/25

[ionic magnet]

you crafted that AA gun?

[forest lake]

Scrapped for free AA plates

[ionic magnet]

[deft flicker]

Should i go for rank 1 or just stop to save exercises?

[hot creek]

free? still costs like 300 gold to craft. Not worth AA plates

if you need to sleep, sure go ahead and rush.

[ionic magnet]

@deft flicker whats your goal? aotn? end of season ranks?

[deft flicker]

100k merit

[ionic magnet]

er so you dont really aim for end of season ranks ig

[deft flicker]

Still have a lot of days to worry about it

[ionic magnet]

you dont really need to do heavy sandbagging then

but if you can, just always try not going below 5/10 charges

so you can get bonus pts easier

makes gensui rush better in the end

[deft flicker]

Ok ok, thanks

[hot creek]

what are insanityflakes?

[deft flicker]

[keen sparrow]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/F3NpY/ec00076809.png attack?

r100 is currently 1303 atm

I feel this is a bait though.

[past egret]

Wdym?

[hot creek]

Cant confirm whether he has 35+ pt over me

can only guestimate

[keen sparrow]

is bait the left probably only give +11

im at 6/10 wait a moving one

[hot creek]

bait if he gives me +10

i want +11 lol

fuck it, I might just attack since I wanna know.

Jebaited

I knew it

[keen sparrow]

[hot creek]

shouldve trusted my instincts and be patient lol

[past egret]

Damn you’d be at 1354 Phoenix if you did a full rush

I’m at 1350 of I did a full rush

[jagged steppe]

this essex skill

does it count torpedo bomber damage?

also does torpedo bulge reduce torpedo bomber damage?

my ape fleet reaching this far

[vague token]

it does

it only fails on crash damage

[ashen lion]

My biggest mistake is, Waiting sandbagger to move.

[jagged steppe]

8min 5 run

*4

[midnight heron]

dont hav to wait if u in rusher squad

[zenith tundra]

essex skill works on all plane dmg but end screen and torp bulge only works on normal torp not tb

[jagged steppe]

ok thx

[sharp wing]

Airborne torpedoes are not affected by bulge

Also they deal 10% more damage to Med armor compared to surface torps

[jagged steppe]

oh

[sharp wing]

Aviation damage is reduced by AA

all types

crash, bombs, torpedoes

[jagged steppe]

what is the purpose of shooting enemy plane?

in pvp I mean

they already drop the dive nad torpedo

only to reduce crash dmg?

[sharp wing]

basically yes

If enemy not using avgas/oiltank you can sometimes shoot down planes

avgas also adds planes speed, so it gets even harder

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

its okay, i was waiting on a sandbagger too

catch me on mondays/wednesdays. I do my matches early a whole 30 minutes before recharge at 4:30pm PST

[vague token]

got an fdg gun

xD

[abstract cypress]

fdg gun exist?

[hot creek]

only in dreams

[high bay]

i forgot to rush

[ripe latch]

ihr on unicorn

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

When u get 3 rushers on list

Such a waste

[past egret]

Good eri

Reach farther

I like watching low levels land higher than level 100+ players

I imagine it makes them question their life a little

[jagged steppe]

rofl

I just play this game for 2 month and a half

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

hi people

is hood akaga better or warspite akaga

ik both aint any good, but help me pick one out of the 2, i have very limited ships

[elder crane]

Warspite if you have her retrofit
Not sure otherwise

[coral wren]

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

btw, enhance costs of event aa gun are completely broken, like common gear

[zenith tundra]

i guess it's en luck

seems normal cost in jp

[sharp wing]

it would not be EN, if they didn't fucc up

[vague token]

they displaced all the juustagram dialogue

guessing it got shifted a line down like the stats during hololive

[elder crane]

Ikr, it's hilarious

[vague token]

the more scary thought is what costs full price if the aa gun got shifted

[coral wren]

[sour oasis]

I hate dragging. Every time I don't rush, I forfeit 5 tickets to forgetting to PvP. Minimum.

[oblique marsh]

Why is SG Radar+AP Shell is more suitable compare to SHS+AP Shell for Warspite?

[rotund bloom]

is this comp ok with sandy instead of ykkz ?

[vague token]

sandy is more of a dps so she doesnt really contribute much unless you're going against triple cv

[rotund bloom]

well my ykkz is only lvl 113 so i'm not too sure about running her

[vague token]

i mean, free exp is free exp

just toss her in

[rotund bloom]

i guess i could

[vague token]

you wont lose a ton just because she's underleveled

[sharp wing]

SHS only used in pve

if use only AP shell for acc u won't hit shit

I kinda prefer double sg or sg/hsfcr anyway

[jagged steppe]

or just double shell and keep restarting

!

[elder crane]

Shell skill btw doesn't even apply to barrage

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[sharp wing]

~~BTW I found second Kokodayo ~~

[forest lake]

Kokodieyou

[shy hazel]

[past egret]

Is that your Azuma

120 and dev 20 already

@rotund bloom

Lads, for Washington, which one?

[hot creek]

dev 15 possible but I doubt dev 20 yet.

[elder crane]

erm

literally a 5* azuma there

soooo

[past egret]

Might not be his

That’s why I asked

[elder crane]

usually the gold one for Washington

[past egret]

Danke, would it be preferred for South Dakota too?

[rotund bloom]

Dev 28 actually

[past egret]

Ok

You must be a JP/CN player

I thought that was a dev 20+ Azuma on EN

[elder crane]

not impossible actually

[past egret]

Dev 28 on EN is impossible

It jumps to 30 per level after 25 does it not

[hot creek]

Maybe, if you did literally nothing but cube research but rip getting a zoomer gun that way

[elder crane]

28 yes
20+, maybe, I think?

[rotund bloom]

Yea i play on CN

[past egret]

You’d need a ratio of like 1/2 research missions giving you Azuma blueprints for dev 20 on EN

[elder crane]

If you want to replace ykkz there, go with Noshiro

[rotund bloom]

The half way point is at dev 24 so there's that

[past egret]

At dev 14 it jumps to 18 blueprints, at dev 19 it’ll jump higher

[elder crane]

Sandy in current meta is just :lol:

[rotund bloom]

CN meta is a bit different

[past egret]

meanwhile stuck on dev 14 fdg

[elder crane]

Actually-tough teams won't be CV teams anywhere

[past egret]

I’ve been getting only Azuma BP’s recently

Trading feature when

[elder crane]

you should have 0 trouble steamrolling 2/3-CV comps with that
So sandyret doesn't really contribute anything

[past egret]

0 trouble until midway and Shinano get added

Or worse

[elder crane]

Noshiro on the other hand means torpRNG is much less of an issue, and is almost as survivable as ykkz is
also a minor boost to azuma

[rotund bloom]

Yea ik , I'm waiting for season reset
Since I've started mid season and I'm not meeting any troublesome fleets

Haven't done pvp in a long time tbf

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

Also means you can go with Warkai/FdG in the team over Hiryuu, since you have enough IJN there
Though FdG is more of a later thing

[rotund bloom]

My FdG isn't ready for pvp only dev 24

[past egret]

Dev 25 fdg doesn’t seem to bad...

[elder crane]

yeah, hence "later thing"
Warkai also supposedly needs 457 to be a significant upgrade

[past egret]

I mean for fuck sake +1k Hp from dev 25 seems very nice

[rotund bloom]

I have the 457 using it on amagi

[elder crane]

Damage output though will be questionable for a lower devlv FdG
Literally has, what, around half the main gun power at dev25 vs dev30?

[rotund bloom]

At dev 30 she gets her 2nd mgm+1

[elder crane]

Since there's no first-salvo bonus for PvP, missing a MGM+1 hurts a lot
and also eff and stat differences

[zenith tundra]

i think past dev 25 fdg is fine as dmg as long as u have a 457mm equipped

but 457 will take more then dev 25 fdg

[elder crane]

question is if 457 is better served elsewhere though

well, he has 457 but dev24 FdG, sooo

[zenith tundra]

ws kai is the only real contender

i wouldn't use it on anyone else tbh

like it's only viable in a 3 bb comp and the best ship to use it on is ws

in namaryuu imo has no space

[elder crane]

In any case, for a non-ykkz comp for him, I'd rec just doing usual Nagato+Amagi+Azuma+Juneau+Warkai(457) but with Noshiro as the last vanguard option

over Hiryuu as main fleet option and Sandy as vanguard option

[zenith tundra]

i don't like ws with namagi tbh she doesn't get anything and she cannot tank either

fdg can tank instead of hiryuu at least and the 1sec burn is as strong as ws barrage tbh

[rotund bloom]

Yea noshiro is a no go , lvl 40 i think and I don't plan to lvl her anytime soon

But i need to wait for season reset , since I'm not meeting strong fleets

[upper sparrow]

quad bofor or roomba on noshiro?

[rotund bloom]

Is she your highest AA bote ?

[zenith tundra]

i would use staag or hazemeyer tbh. for how strong cv usually are on defense u don't have to worry that much about aa. if u really need aa put romba if u don't use other high aa ships or bofors if u have other high aa ships

[upper sparrow]

i use classic jun+ykkz+nosh, and wfc or wf enty
so staag then?

[frail orbit]

WFC if u wanted strong torp offense anyway

[frail orbit]

Also since AA being calculated like that

2 accelerator and 2 roombas

[hot creek]

Difficult to a get 2nd bonus these past few days.

[shell heron]

Guess people are hard grinding them event points

EoS this season might be pretty low

[ashen lion]

[forest lake]

CNY too

I missed 5 tix myself so

[vague token]

im just doing hard mode

xD

[vale rapids]

So pvp people, whats the thought about uranami - a ship thats suppose to be for PvP?

[vague token]

the collection one?

that skill isnt good, there've been ships with it

[frail orbit]

Seriously they kinda slaps PVP specific ship that are bad smhw keks

[vale rapids]

Basically kasumi, both 🚮

[frail orbit]

Suruga, then Uranami . . .

At least Surugag still nice tho smhw

Somehow

[zenith tundra]

suruga is usable and actually good for stalling on defense. uranami has nothing really even more since it's only a 60% chance

[vague token]

it's also a smaller amount on others

the higher amount on a destroyer >_>

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

16k backlines but that vg is so bad

[meager dawn]

what is that vg supposed to be...?

[zenith tundra]

idk. all i can say is that juneau off tank dies too fast and aurora is dead weight with no use

[zenith tundra]

namagi ws and why i don't like it

[frail orbit]

Never tried Namawakai beforehand so

[zenith tundra]

there are some people around that think ws is better then hiryuu with namagi

[frail orbit]

Well
U can't even switch absolute defensive cancer for a grandma's big guns keks

[zenith tundra]

so much for formi tanking... maybe double evasion is the way to go

fdg fire + ws barrage.... wtf

[edgy cypress]

[zenith tundra]

good old juneau still alive

[jagged steppe]

is this sandbagger

[past egret]

You’ll know when they don’t move

Ah yes, time for infinite trash can blueprints now

This gun goes onto Backline battleships before frontline ships, yes?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[past egret]

Danke

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra btw we used Scuttlegun for AA stat eh? Or for wut? Since mainly we kinda used Nepgun for its 0 volley time on aux slot

[zenith tundra]

dps

it has best damage against light and a good pattern for pvp

[frail orbit]

Which explains why kota seems to prefer it over nepgun smhw . . .

Thx in advance

[formal prism]

would Warkai, hood, enty + Juneau, belfast, ykkz or Warkai, hood, QE + Juneau, belfast, ykkz be better

TL;DR QE or enty?

[jagged steppe]

go hard or restart

[zenith tundra]

it's hard to say. i would go with enty since cv aren't as random as gun bb

[formal prism]

but using JBY is still ok right

or should the vanguard also be changed

[zenith tundra]

yeah. it's a good vg. might want to switch belfast for nep/noshiro if u can since belfast is mostly good against foxes

[formal prism]

why would i need torp buffs and debuffs

[zenith tundra]

noshiro can help with torp comps on defense

[formal prism]

shit torp comps are a thing? arent torps unreliable

[zenith tundra]

if u don't have problems with torp comps on defense then u can just use belfast or nep. a lot of people seem to have problems

if juneau dies too fast to torp is usually a bad thing so noshiro is used to kind of prevent that with a free torp bulge for vg and also has good tankiness

[formal prism]

wait did you mean me ATTACKING a torp comp or me DEFENDING against a torp comp

[zenith tundra]

attacking

[formal prism]

ahhh ok got a lil confused there but regarding torp comps, i just restart the match till i dont mash into all those torps

[zenith tundra]

u can try noshiro and see if she helps avoiding resets

[formal prism]

resets dont affect anything do they?

[zenith tundra]

she is pretty good in pve too so not a bad investment

no u can reset as much as u want

[formal prism]

nah i really dont care about pve now, pvp is where my interest is at

till i get the cancer fleet of JBY i wont be satisfied haha

[zenith tundra]

if u want pvp then level up azuma

[formal prism]

still stuck on nep grind, moving to azuma soon

[zenith tundra]

past dev 25 she is better then anyone else with yukikaze and juneau in pretty much any comp

[formal prism]

cool, since it's come to this, do i still continue to try to get SL to dev 30?

[zenith tundra]

it's up to you tbh. but if u are asking for pvp then just go for azuma since she is much better

[formal prism]

472/900 TPs...

nvm, ill stick with getting the JBY comp and levelling IJN ships

[red nexus]

Just use bulge

[ripe latch]

noshiro + dido usable or usless?

[forest lake]

Noshiro+Juneau+Ykkz prolly the best til Azuma becomes usable

I wouldn't use Dido unless you run something like
Dido, QE, Formi, Centaur/WarKai, Monarch

I might make something like
Dido, Juneau/Ykkz, Aurora/Sirius
QE, Formi/Monarch, Centaur/WarKai
But I don't have Sirius so

[frail orbit]

That's 4-5 backline u mentioned keks

[forest lake]

And also lazy af

[frail orbit]

Besides

[forest lake]

That's the reason why I used '/'

[frail orbit]

Dido being AAtlantas of HMS

[forest lake]

AA being p meme doesn't really help that

In pvp at least

[frail orbit]

But well she's kinda stonks with HMS backline anyway so I'd leave that smhw

Still tho

Just slap Yuki/Jun/XX generic slotting anyway

[forest lake]

I would make something like Dido, Sirius, LonKai, QE, Formi, Centaur for PVE

Would do p nice for W12 at least

Prolly get fucked by W13 but that's on a whole other league after nerfs

[frail orbit]

And w13 being plane hell itself

Nothing came out as too much AA anyway lel

[past egret]

PvE talk that isn’t in #gameplay-help ? Have people finally begun to realize this is the superior chat for game help

[shell heron]

Because our PvP analysis is pretty much PvE analysis

[coral wren]

lets rename this into #actual-help

[past egret]

Is there a glitch where enterprise dies despite being in lucky E?

She procced lucky E but still died during an airstrike about 2 seconds after her skill proc

Either way, what ever glitch that was cost me my season big rip

time for rusher life

[hot creek]

You probably mis-timed. Only other way she die is by getting rammed.

[midnight heron]

inb4 it isnt lucky e but vf17 making her say her lines

[hot creek]

Oh yeah, thats a thing too

[past egret]

I dunno, I saw her proc it with the skill line popping up, she just died after Hiryuu’s was airstrike arrived 2 seconds after

[sharp wing]

Do you have vf on Enty?

vf skill procs her line

[past egret]

vf? @sharp wing

Oh pirate squad

Yes

[sharp wing]

that's the problem

when you launch it procs plane skill each time

[past egret]

but.. the lucky E banner triggered

[sharp wing]

so she says the line

[past egret]

Meh what ever it is it’s a rip

[sharp wing]

ship has only 1 skill line

so

1 for everything

Now, time for drinking contest with Avrora, since i reached "insanity"

[sharp wing]

wait, joyme domain closed

[elder crane]

Biligame now

[sharp wing]

eh

[elder crane]

Azur Lane wiki migrated over

[sharp wing]

other games too

i just noticed

[elder crane]

Still don't know if/where Arknights joyme wiki went

Well, not all

[sharp wing]

not all

[elder crane]

Arknights for one is still MiA

[sharp wing]

like how they just mirrored site, can just change joyme for biligame in bookmarks and have all the same stuff

every page

well, for cn other variant could be... gamekee?

aside biligames

that's more like appmedia or gamepress anyway, not regular wiki

Some ppl still think nanoda is cat

[shell heron]

Wait, she isn't

[sharp wing]

there is also beacon

i use helldiver beacon form ie and reppu hellcat cent and they sync fine

with ryusseis

putting 2 reppu on cent is kinda bad

u need 1 reppu for airbait then second figter to run close to torp bombers

to spread damage more

reppu + sea fury

Thought that's more relevant for barras

ryuu crash already poop

they all have same bombs

sea fury only has t0 aa guns

with it had actual t0 bombs like VF

[coral wren]

So what's the consensus on Dido so far?

[sharp wing]

I run double ryuu for bosses mostly

Dido... Is whatever pretty much

Till QE Kai

It's Siri without carriers buff, which is her niche role

She has non existent torps as well all about aa and same barrage spam w/ 100mm

just take Sandykai at this point

[coral wren]

I feel like she could benefit my HMS KWQ. Maybe I should swap out Belfast once she levels up.

[sharp wing]

she can benefit herself and QE, but qe is still trash in self offense

buffed or not

It's vanguard KGV

in buff aspect

IF she actually was HMS BB buffer, not just QE

she could be used in bb comps, but hms bb comps are pretty... dead anyway after FC

[coral wren]

Perhaps QFC with Dido replacing Nanoda alongside Sirius and Aurora...

[sharp wing]

replacing Aurora only

Or u get both squishy vg + squishy main

and that's pepega

[vague token]

dido buffs other dido class fp/trp which is mostly pointless because they need defenses more than damage

at least she can self buff evasion but she is just a worse sandy at that point

no mgm+1

black prince is the better one to pair with dido since she has smoke and uses the fp boost better thanks to her crit skill

the qe buff is basically pointless

[sharp wing]

Time to run Ceres maids

Spent 2 bulins on R botes 🗡️

[empty grove]

Thicc tho

So worth

[vague token]

did the wiki have the ammo for the muse music notes, i cant remember

[empty grove]

[vague token]

cause i might try sheff muse with noshiro if the ammo is good

[elder crane]

The ammo is slightly better than standard stuff, but not that special

You can meme with Avrora gun if you want though

Since that gun has amazing raw DpS but has pepega spread and CL normal mods

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

Lost once in pvp

Bye bye top 50

[vague token]

the one nice thing about muse is that she buffs herself

[ripe latch]

[past egret]

Who the fuck is that

[lean geode]

Any thoughts on Uranami?

[vague token]

another ijn destroyer to sit on the bench like the other 50

xD

[jagged steppe]

why cant this game use triple torpedo bomber like some certain shipgirl game

[ripe latch]

bec this not some certain shipgirl game?

[meager dawn]

carrier with triple tb for maximum crash dmg with cudas when

[vague token]

i mean we already have ships with 6 torp bombers

dont really need 8

[meager dawn]

MORE

[sharp wing]

U mean Hermes Kai surely

[meager dawn]

I need a goddamn carrier with 9 torp bombers

[sharp wing]

So Hermes Kai + barrage

[meager dawn]

she has 9 tbs with the skill?

[sharp wing]

her skill has 3 type of barrage

idk if one of them has 3 planes

Looks like she has invisible planes

Formie with barrage panes has 8 tbs

[meager dawn]

invisible?

[sharp wing]

well, like invisible default planes

ghost planes

[meager dawn]

so the shitty equip when the ship doesn’t have any equips?

[sharp wing]

ghost planes ninja launched even when u have equips

and they also drop invisible ammunition

but they have very poor damage

negligible

https://patchwiki.biligame.com/images/blhx/d/d9/sa8v8or5tk2nsjsil13xenjhvc08uno.gif

[meager dawn]

so just some extra dmg?

[sharp wing]

all 3 procs

1 bomb 3 bombs and 24 bombs

[meager dawn]

did one of the barrages just miss yuubari

[jagged steppe]

I just want enterprise proc and crash enemy fleet with triple gold berra

with helena debuff

[sharp wing]

quick launch memes are more fun

quick take off

[meager dawn]

Long island + bogue + ranger

infinite planes*
*may not be infinite planes

[jagged steppe]

ranger can wipe whole team in one launch if you try hard enough

[sharp wing]

not really

[jagged steppe]

if she proc 6 times maybe

[sharp wing]

if she had around same avi as carrier

[meager dawn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/584391758692089856/RANGER_STRIKE.gif?format=png&width=373&height=224

[sharp wing]

she is 100+ avi below average carrier

But she is pretty fun in pve

[jagged steppe]

maybe need baltimore and helena too

I need baltimore essex and sandy kai to make meme video

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

They had to rework how assault carrier works cause of rnger

[jagged steppe]

do they ever rebalance ship stat?

[sharp wing]

stat? no

[jagged steppe]

not the retrofit thing

[sharp wing]

assault carrier applies 10 sec buff instead of applied to airstrike

[meager dawn]

Never heard of the devs changing the stats of ships

wat

why

[sharp wing]

cause rnger

once she procs assault

[meager dawn]

devs

[sharp wing]

all her quick take offs double damage

[meager dawn]

but does it refresh if she procs it again

[sharp wing]

it doesn't have to refresh...

10 sec is already way too long

cause make it 3 sec lol

[meager dawn]

yeah but what if she proc’d enough quick takeoffs for 20s and not one of them is an assault carrier

[sharp wing]

she can barely proc for 2-3 sec

5-6 takes like 1 sec

[meager dawn]

rnger becomes w13

[sharp wing]

if she had fighters

meme with Fulmars

[meager dawn]

who needs fighters if your enemies die from a million airstrikes

[sharp wing]

superior fighter undercover

[meager dawn]

[sharp wing]

the thing is... in w13 enemies have shittone of air resist

carriers basically have hard time from ch12

[meager dawn]

I thought the only applied to bosses

[sharp wing]

AA stat reduces air damage

so high lvl enemies high stats...

Cannot reduce shell damage tho

[meager dawn]

so when will the devs release an anti-shell stat

AS for anti shell

[sharp wing]

about never

eva is antishell stat

but it works vs avi ammunition

so carriers just get double cucced compared to bbs on high lvles

[meager dawn]

not double cucced with AS

[sharp wing]

like how in AK u can ignore magic damage by getting to 100 res

high lvl enough enemies can have enough AA to almost ignore carrier damage

endless challenge

each 150 AA gives +100% eHp against air damage

[jagged steppe]

how about adding more ship outside event

cuz im new player and choking to play without event ship

[sharp wing]

There already too many ships

And all event ships gets permanent

aside collabs

we already have builds bloated by ex event ships

gladly they remove some of campaign map drop ships from build

So in the end builds would be about full of ex event ships

and map drop ships will be drops only

[vague token]

should have added more armor tiers

or just made armor a stat

xD

[sharp wing]

if armor stat would counter shell non air damage specifically

[elder crane]

They seems to have originally planned to make armor numerical

[sharp wing]

But it would most likely again work vs airborne ammunition

[elder crane]

But never went through with the idea

All ships/enemies have a armor stat, separate from armor type
But it's always 0 (with obviously 0 growth as well)

[sharp wing]

I imagine if they went with that...

such spaghetti

much potato

[shell heron]

not getting many +1s this season

even one is somewhat hard

well Edwarzo moved, on the last 5 minutes

denied me that extra +1

[karmic forum]

You never know true despair until you realize that you're going to finish that last exercise before the reset a few seconds late.

[hot creek]

Yeah but you get a nice adrenaline rush whenever you cut close and barely make it

[elder crane]

I'm still getting tons of bonus points
Because I overslept 5 matches

[frail orbit]

Waiting for sandbaggers keks

[forest lake]

Whaling for sandbaggers

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

You never know when a sandbagger might get impatient. Ill confess, sometimes during the morning reset ill finish my matches a whole 10 minutes before reset. Quite generous imo.

[shell heron]

I will push it to the last 7 minutes

depending on how many matches I have left

except EoS night.

last time I pushed it we know what happened

[sour oasis]

Still think the PvP can be improved if people stop making flex fleets those who get Admiral stop getting merit and ladder points.

[past egret]

Pvp can be improved if they actually balanced ships or gave us live pvp

But will never get a pvp update so

[sour oasis]

Live PvP too hard to program. Balanced ships will take reworking the entire database. A quick stopgap is to make PvP more exercise and less flex. Because technically PvP doesn't really exist.

[shell heron]

but without our flex fleets, how else are we suppose to make another sandbagger lose a match if they happen to afk

[frail orbit]

Sandbaggers are meant to be bullied anyway

[past egret]

If I did a full rush right now, I’d have 1647 points

It i didn’t lose the match, I’d have 1656-57 points

@upper sparrow

[shell heron]

Its fine. Im not flexing my meta fleet yet. Just a L2D loli vanguard

If you cant beat this. Just quit

[past egret]

I see illustrious and think free win

[upper sparrow]

lemme check mine, if i full rush now probably got 1645. Its almost same eh

[past egret]

Good thing good old’reliable WASD comp can still beat Nagamaryu.. or else personally I’d actually have difficulty fighting that flex fleet

[shell heron]

I oathed z46 just to make it a shiny comp too. Thats one expensive vanguard

[vague token]

19/25 on both seattle gun and azuma gun

soon

[keen sparrow]

free loli food

another +1

[past egret]

Holy shit sandy is the fucking way

Was having trouble against standard IJN meta cancer 2.0 subbed sandy in 0 of Gayuu’s planes even got through

Gonna Test more of her

[jagged steppe]

Pvp can be improved if they remove retart

kappa

[high bay]

i just did my 10 exercises

[lean geode]

noshiro is so good

[red nexus]

How is sandy helping against 3 BB?

[shell heron]

I would imagine it's helping against Hiryuu planes

although Sandy melts to Nagato barrage

I refreshed my list for next reset because everyone was terrible

and I see stella again

you know what I wanna ask

[shy hazel]

i moved early what

busy

[shell heron]

can you move again?

[shy hazel]

no bites so no

[high bay]

if you find me on your list

i havent done my rushing yet

[ripe latch]

4 ppl with helena on fleet

[sharp wing]

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

She QT

In her dress

p2w char development

[ripe latch]

foxs with helena

just meme

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

If no1 praise you, gotta praise yrself

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[past egret]

All yukikazes will faulter beneath me

[meager dawn]

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

No shit

[past egret]

Mfw wash and Southdak can’t use Seattle gun

[meager dawn]

just put it in their cruiser gun slot

[shy hazel]

[inner zenith]

is it me or is pvp rankings moving slower this time around

[past egret]

It’s moving slow as fuck @inner zenith

[sharp wing]

I see a lot of ppl missed ~5 tix, sitting with lvl110+ ppl in lobby after missing a reset

~~I blame AK ~~

And it was pretty hard to push 10 tix before sleep without 9s anyway

[inner zenith]

prob ak

xdd

[sharp wing]

In "insanity" ppl turn to AL

But till they are "sane"...

[coral wren]

Mutsu meta when?

[zenith tundra]

that comp kind of sucks tbh. 3 barrage bb in 1 fleet

and not pvp

[shell heron]

Either nagato didn't barrage, or when there's nothing on screen

[sharp wing]

Baka non flag in pve is pretty pointless

[upper sparrow]

miss 3 attempt and lose 2 attempt cause fking lucky E proc, is it possible for me to reach AoTN if i still sandbagging? last season i miss 5 attempt i just reach fleet admiral

[elder crane]

I often miss 3-5 attempts, and usually have no issue hitting a temp rank 1 during AotN period

I've made AotN with 8 total missed

[past egret]

I just want to end a season rank 1

[fair prism]

I just wanna stay top 1000

[shy hazel]

then sandbag

answer to all al pvp problems

[sharp wing]

If u want to stay somewhere top 1k u need to be rusher lul

if u sandbag on 10/10 obviosuly you fall off after resets

But in the long run u win in the end

cause rusher hard to stay top EoS

[ripe latch]

can we get this on pvp?

[sharp wing]

Trashbag

[past egret]

So uh

[shell heron]

Oh, I'm only one point behind famine

I didn't do good this season

so that means he did bad

[past egret]

If I was at 6/10 matches, did a match at 1 minute before reset, does that count towards the match I would of lost

Cause when I finished it I was greeted by this

[shell heron]

If you completed the match before the next reset starts then you don't lose a charge

but if you started it and it completed after

yea

[past egret]

F

[hot creek]

too much sand

[past egret]

Rip this season

[shell heron]

early top 10 is still possible

you just need to rush fast

[upper sparrow]

how fast?

[shell heron]

like needing to do full rush before gensui rush fast

[sharp wing]

if u lost match and didn't sandbag, you better not rush friday 1st reset

[ripe latch]

siren

[shell heron]

saturday rush is easier

Friday is when most that can hit the AotN rank rush

[past egret]

@ripe latch have mercy on my outdated comp

I’m full rushing now btw if you find me enjoy the food

[shy hazel]

food

[empty owl]

Um I have a strange question if anyone would mind answering it

Is 650 Fire power to much like does it have diminishing returns?

[shell heron]

I don't remember anyone ever mentioning FP having a diminishing return after a certain threshold.

I'm more curious are you just running straight up FP only gear

[vague token]

i mean by technicality each point of fp does less than the last

[empty owl]

Only on Warspite but she has QE and Yu

[vague token]

going from 100 -> 101 is a 1% increase

from 101 to 102 is less than 1%

[empty owl]

Like this

@shell heron

[shell heron]

not as crazy as I thought it would be

could get it up a little higher with the triple 410

[ripe latch]

food

[shell heron]

but I value eHP and accuracy in PvP so SG/rudder is my go to

[empty owl]

This one?

[shell heron]

I mean the triple 381

but that one isn't as meme as you would think

[vague token]

i only use triple 410 on ws

with hsfcr xD

[shell heron]

ran it for a bit because Nagato and Amagi provide all the HE shelling I need

[vague token]

1/5 times you lose all damage on rudder proc

but you just live with it

and reset

[shell heron]

I wanted to look up details on ship stats, but the CN wiki is down

But I nobody mentioned diminishing returns on more FP so I assume it's like TRP

linear increase in damage

[vague token]

oh i only mean that the effectiveness of 1 point is reduced the more you have

like going from 100->200 is 100% increase

going from 200->300 is only 50%

and there's also the +100 in the formula so it's actually more like

[empty owl]

Well she does anywhere from 6K to 11k of damage

[vague token]

even lower

that sounds like level gap

warspite should hit between 10k-12k on lower level mediums

[empty owl]

Oh

I just meant from one shot not total

[shell heron]

but yea, I can only assume FP has a linear growth

it's not gonna matter if it misses though

[vague token]

basically a 50% increase in fp doesnt quite translate to 50% damage

[shell heron]

it's not gonna be 1:1 increase

[empty owl]

I haven't had any problems with Warspite missing

[shell heron]

using that dmg formula on the wiki. it looks to be about 0.1% more damage per FP added

don't quote me on this

that doesn't seem right

I need to work this out a little bit. Comparing WSkai's base 144 FP and a 650 FP against med armor and no level advantage

it came out to 0.18% dmg increase per FP added?

[vague token]

it should be lower every point unless you're only comparing to the static base

although the difference will be small of course

[shell heron]

I was just comparing an average increase. Plotting out a graph would be much easier to read

but putting in that work for dmg calc

[vague token]

i wouldnt put that in the dmg calc

just check how it changes the FP part

the rest is going to be static

eg gun base damage, efficiency, etc are all Static

so you just want to check the fp multiplier

makes it easier to think about

[shell heron]

it's not bad, but I still dont want to make make a table for it

even though I already crunched numbers

[vague token]

xD

like, wskai with +45 bb gun and +30 seattle gun hits what, 520 fp?

i think?

give or take

oh 546

so the 15% fp buff translates to a 12% multiplier boost

basically just get more, dont stress out about it

it isnt like aa

xD

[shell heron]

oh AA calculations look fun

[vague token]

i will ignore those forever

much easier to do this:
In other words, each 150 points of AA gives +100% effective HP against air damage.

xD

from the wiki

lel

[shell heron]

finally

a +1

[vague token]

i got 2, just gonna do the rest

cause distractions

[shell heron]

pvp is pretty ded this season

if Im one point behind famine

[vague token]

fam probably got distracted by another game

;)

[shell heron]

@shy hazel how many more matches?

we have to stop meeting like this

[hot creek]

beg more

[shell heron]

I got that +1 off stella

[hot creek]

how generous of him

[shy hazel]

i generally just do it earlief

never get more than 1 so scores are p much thr same

youll probably meet more of me

[shell heron]

thank you. if you had waited a little longer I would move regardless

[shy hazel]

informed or not ima move anyways

uhh

im missing 5 retrofits

im just returning my completion to 100 now

for some reason im only at 97.8

[shell heron]

wait, famine now have the same points as me

[empty grove]

Too busy on AK

[vague token]

yo add me for clues xD

[shy hazel]

im too busy at work and fe

[empty grove]

Quitter talk

[shy hazel]

clues on what

[vague token]

AK, you can send friends clues for currency

[shell heron]

I just have to pass Edawarzo and r1 might be mines this season

[shy hazel]

ak is for losers

[shell heron]

who am I kidding, I work friday.

[empty grove]

Is edwarzo even a sandbagger

[shell heron]

time for those "restroom breaks"

[shy hazel]

he sandbags but rushes gensuirush

[empty grove]

I started 10 down from my average this season so didn't even bother

[shell heron]

hmmm

[shy hazel]

i call him dirtbag

[empty grove]

I usually log all the people on the leaderboard for refresh

[shell heron]

I remember his name on the EoS top 10

[shy hazel]

i dont

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

maybe eos 30

[empty grove]

Most sandbaggers are a guaranteed +1 anyway

[shy hazel]

i never see him in my ss rn

edwardzo and his favorite

yuugure avatar

is what i rmber

or was it hthr

[shell heron]

I know edwarzo ended 2595+ before

or a few times

[empty grove]

Not like any of these points matter anyway

One dead reset during gensui rush & it's a loss

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

that minute of glory tho

[shy hazel]

its u fault if u lose

[empty grove]

PVP is force of habit for me at this point

[shell heron]

same

It's like drinking, it's costing me time and money

[shy hazel]

check if u used all rounds

before sleeping

and after

[shell heron]

I triple check now

[shy hazel]

i dont

i just use them as soon as i yawn

[shell heron]

last time I didn't, I missed 2

[empty grove]

Last time I went to bed late

I woke up 5 mins from reset & had to spam refresh for fast matches

[shy hazel]

i never check hourly for no reason too

i just check al when it vibrate

cos commission ended