pvp

[edgy cypress]

but ok

[meager dawn]

CV with CVL stats

[edgy cypress]

ok

stop

no

[meager dawn]

centaur but backwards

[forest lake]

BBs with CV stats

[meager dawn]

so isekai

[edgy cypress]

DD with CV stats

😳

Fubuki be like

id like a catapult on my Fubuki pls

[meager dawn]

CA with DD stats

fast af boi

[edgy cypress]

BB with DD stats

[hard trail]

I had request some youtuber for Full KMS + Tirptiz and Z23 need to be use
vs Meta
This guy some how made it work
now I can build KMS team at ease XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm7DZ3vGpSw

[runic sorrel]

[edgy cypress]

im scared

[frail orbit]

Anyway not even close keks

[edgy cypress]

NamaFreddy

[meager dawn]

enemy doesn't have dev30 azuma
no wonder kms worked

[edgy cypress]

i still remember the guy that said use Ayanami in pvp

[frail orbit]

Aya is fine
For Nakaga anyway

[edgy cypress]

imagine not using Juneau for Ayanami

😔

[meager dawn]

So does fdg just keep proccing her barrage if there's an enemy fdg

[edgy cypress]

Freddy has a timer tho

[shy hazel]

thats so funny

it worked

until rng kills his butt

[meager dawn]

time it so that both of them can proc the other's barrage

somehow

[shy hazel]

too close

[frail orbit]

U wont

And u cant

[edgy cypress]

anyways if theyre planning on making Freddy OP

why not make her

[shy hazel]

well lets see

[edgy cypress]

proc every second

[shy hazel]

al jp has announced dido class

and all dido did was fight kms

[edgy cypress]

l8 m8

[shy hazel]

so there should be some new kms ships

[meager dawn]

what is that new gun tho

[edgy cypress]

im pretty sure its because of the maid event 2nd season @shy hazel

[forest lake]

SAP/HE DD gun according to history

[meager dawn]

Zara DD gun

[shy hazel]

no details yet

[forest lake]

Mounted on Dido and KGV class iirc

[shy hazel]

newcastle is a mini event iirc

it may run with a major one

[meager dawn]

newcastle with en when

[frail orbit]

Also on HMS Vanguard

But aeon said that 381 aint new

But perhaps

Since HMS Vanguard recycled these 381 turrets . . .

[meager dawn]

isn't that 381mm the hoodgun

or is the hoodgun called something else

[frail orbit]

@meager dawn yes, also warspite gun too

[shy hazel]

i should finish my pr2 before new event comes

[frail orbit]

Twin 381

Mk1 wargun
Mk1.5 renown gun
Mk2 hoodgun

Historically speaking keks

[shy hazel]

im too lazy rn i just farm w12 for 5th one

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

dont wanna spoil the fun
but that kms team only won cos theres literally zero nagato proc in both matches
and that VG is undergeared too
and he almost lost anyway

[shy hazel]

hey dont spoil it

[zenith tundra]

still managing timegates? @shy hazel

[shy hazel]

let people use it

so i can have easy rounds

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet well he was using the comp that was requested tbh

[shy hazel]

im just late by 3 hours zack

[frail orbit]

Besides

[shy hazel]

[frail orbit]

Nothing wrong with that

[zenith tundra]

not bad

[meager dawn]

let people use it and be angry that it doesn't win against that comp

[shy hazel]

i still have about 10k oil mail

i dont think its enuf for fdg

but ill buy if i need to

[ionic magnet]

yea just a heads up

[shy hazel]

fk me and my kms fleet

all mlb

[zenith tundra]

F

go w11-12 then

[meager dawn]

just un limit break them

[shy hazel]

shouldve kept a dupe or something

bring bismarck to w13

when all kms bb aas suck

[meager dawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqz50f9Mxpg

[zenith tundra]

problem with w13 is that it murders vg too so can't go cheap

[meager dawn]

[shy hazel]

too oil pricey

[frail orbit]

Bunker Hill is a myth anyway

[shy hazel]

100% or quit

i live my life dangerously

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

anyways ill take a break after finishing all pr2s

then do w13 after a week

but this thing needs manual till full clear

[zenith tundra]

u have till they close servers to get bunker hill

[shy hazel]

i liked the fact that en was a world late

we always get nerfed version

now nope

[zenith tundra]

w13 if fun tho

not for ur oil

[frail orbit]

More challenge is always accepted tho

[meager dawn]

wasn't w12 the only world that got nerfed on release for en

[frail orbit]

Especially due to the lack of real endgame content compared to HI3 which I also played there

[shy hazel]

w11 is also nerfed on release

[meager dawn]

huh

didn't know that

[shy hazel]

iirc even w10 is

lol

[meager dawn]

most likely cuz I just stayed in w10 until 120 and w12 came out

[zenith tundra]

was w11 en before w13 jp/cn?

[shy hazel]

basically we also got the clear thingy

[meager dawn]

w10 was even nerfed

[shy hazel]

early

[zenith tundra]

w10 wasn't nerfed

[shy hazel]

what was that system again

[meager dawn]

Oh

[shy hazel]

i forgot

[meager dawn]

Clearing mode?

fleet lock?

[shy hazel]

no

the - dmg one

[ionic magnet]

threat levels?

[shy hazel]

ya that

[zenith tundra]

it was only 1 week without threat

[ionic magnet]

yea

[frail orbit]

Like how
Am real struggling to get even 10% in HI3, not even the highest as the highest there was 0.2% top

Here in AL was ez for w11-12 keks, w13 real challenge UwU

[ionic magnet]

fun times

[shy hazel]

dont worry

im gbf vet

this game is easy

[ionic magnet]

hi3

[frail orbit]

Whaler on both games keks

[shy hazel]

i just dont like playing manual hey

[ionic magnet]

tho unfair to compare AL cos that one is not really a passive game

[shy hazel]

im lazy now

[zenith tundra]

don't play manual then

[shy hazel]

i only gotta manual till threat goes down anyways

[zenith tundra]

i never play manual

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet ye but that kinda oot so . . .

[shy hazel]

good

[frail orbit]

[zenith tundra]

i managed to clear 13-3 full auto and taihou doesn't seem that terrible

[shy hazel]

goddess sandy will deliver salvation

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra they're tearable r8?

[shy hazel]

[frail orbit]

[ionic magnet]

@frail orbit i just hate how slow the grind is in hi3 but yea good to see another fellow man of culture

[meager dawn]

full auto clear how

[shy hazel]

ez

[zenith tundra]

wtf does tearable mean?

[shy hazel]

used a maxed fleet

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet need 9 Newton B anyway

[meager dawn]

@zenith tundra a shitty pun

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra easy to be torn, since am a bad pun master

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

so punny

u puny creature

[frail orbit]

@ionic magnet also lemme just have 4 noot B so . . .

[ionic magnet]

wish i started earlier but casual life is fun too

anyways no more off topic im living on the edge here

[forest lake]

Moar

Invite the mods to the conversation too

[ionic magnet]

i know a mod that plays it also

[frail orbit]

[shy hazel]

hooloo is on his last warning

@.Syanda

[zenith tundra]

are there rules about creating another discord account and rejoining?

[shy hazel]

only villains do that zack

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

so no rules

[shy hazel]

it reeks of desperation tho tbh

and if they found out u ban evaed

then they can just ban u again

less effort

[ionic magnet]

using a separate account just for 1 server is a big pass

[shy hazel]

ooops

yup

i guess i dont have enuf oil for fdg

oil calculations went off

my problem with kms is

it doesnt have a heal ship

nor a repair ship

what a useless faction

[zenith tundra]

1:1 takes too long?

or 1:2 with 2 lb0 mahns

[shy hazel]

i did 1:1 for gascon ye

[ionic magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/639279198917230592/QQ20190920162017.gif
can you guys tell whos the VG at the back?

[shy hazel]

it takes too much time tbh

[ionic magnet]

is it tanikaze

[shy hazel]

aa u copying that

[ionic magnet]

yea but tanikaze doesnt work with CV torps

[shy hazel]

thats not tanikaze

[ionic magnet]

so

[shy hazel]

that swiftsure

[zenith tundra]

that was what i was thinking too

swiftsure

[ionic magnet]

ooo

[shy hazel]

technically one of hms most broken pve ship

[ionic magnet]

rip then

[shy hazel]

and is not in en

[ionic magnet]

i'll just slap sirius ig

[shy hazel]

ever since i saw that skin

i call her mamako san

[zenith tundra]

she is good at aa and decent overall kind of broken but not quite

[shy hazel]

the only broken ship in my dictionary is someone very useful in pvp

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

we need new broken stuff. fdg amagi and ws are already 1yo

[shy hazel]

dr russian ships

as promised by wargaming

[zenith tundra]

something easier to get would be better

dr are suck a pain

[shy hazel]

a different kind of acquisition but not gacha

[zenith tundra]

amagi is fine as a gacha ship and broken

just give us more amagi

[shy hazel]

amagi rerun soon

event has been like what

8 months

[zenith tundra]

1yr already

[shy hazel]

ripe enuf

[zenith tundra]

it was released around this time in en 1year ago

iirc jp/cn had ce right before new year

[shy hazel]

assuming jp will have a new event with that dido

it wont be this month

maybe feb

[zenith tundra]

ship announcement says limited light

[shy hazel]

so no event

the note i saw was chinese

[zenith tundra]

@JP News Update
[Ship Introduction]
Light Cruiser - Dido
Nameship of the Dido-class light cruisers.
While she is fairly capable as a maid unlike a certain someone else, she is incredibly insecure about being abandoned.
If you find her starting to panic, giving her praise and also some work to do is the surefire way to calm her heart.

She will be available in Light Construction for a limited time in the next update!

[shy hazel]

guess shes just mini event extra

light build tho

[ionic magnet]

wtf is that description

[shy hazel]

disgusting

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

most cancerous build page tbh

[zenith tundra]

lol

[ionic magnet]

well should be rate up for some time

like ones before

[shy hazel]

id prefer heavy and special

remember that smugbitch

took me 500 cubes

and i only got it on the last day

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

no thanks. don't want to rip cubes

[shy hazel]

100% or quit for me

i mean

100% or lend

reeeeeeeee

it takes so long to get 1M merit in pvp

im still 880

k

[zenith tundra]

useless goal

[ionic magnet]

no way you'll quit
when youre trying so hard

[shy hazel]

i quit a better gacha game

i can on an inferior one

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

when u spend half a million yen just to quit

[zenith tundra]

if u do that u have other problems then money tbh

[shy hazel]

no

gbf just takes too much time

and drama

[zenith tundra]

did u sell it at least?

[shy hazel]

err what was the offer i got again

100k yen

no ty

id rather keep my memories

[zenith tundra]

that's like 100$?

[shy hazel]

u missing 2 0s

[zenith tundra]

oh lol

2 rly?

[shy hazel]

wait

100 yen = 1 dollar

[zenith tundra]

1k$

[shy hazel]

ye only 1k

[ionic magnet]

only 1k

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

ive played my acnt for 3 years what

and raised it like my child

literally

id rather keep it than sell it

at least al

is just like a cat

its independent

[zenith tundra]

keep it for when they close servers?

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[shy hazel]

gbf wont be closing in the next 10 years

thats how solid it is

[zenith tundra]

does it really matter if u never play it?

[shy hazel]

i just roll free gacha every free rolls

and remember things

like how i betrayed my guild and how they betray me back

[ionic magnet]

wish AL guild is a thing

so we have drama also

[shy hazel]

if al had guild system

ill just make a hardcore one

or kick the useless ones in current

[ionic magnet]

how2kick leader

[shy hazel]

hax accnt

[zenith tundra]

u can if he is inactive

[ionic magnet]

eh

how

[shy hazel]

certain way hooloo

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i don't remember but there was a method to take guild if the master was inactive for a while like 2 weeks or so. it has been a while since i heard that tho

[shy hazel]

appeal to the mods here to impeach

manually

they wont take it seriously until a guild system that matters come anyways

its even just faster to make a new guild

[zenith tundra]

if that will ever come

doesn't seem like they care to improve guilds

[shy hazel]

top 1-10 guilds will get 50 cubes

per guild war

[meager dawn]

guild war aka pvp 2.0

[shy hazel]

ill join any guild with loser famine with it

[zenith tundra]

if they mske something like that might be for event points or something like that

[shy hazel]

free sandbag

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

1st 13-4 clear got bunker hill

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra now commit release BH's underwear and sell it for the navy

[zenith tundra]

more like time to raise her for pseudo uss fleet

[frail orbit]

By BH, I meant it's what a bra is called in Indo

So that makes it a kind of pun?

[vague token]

o.o

[shell heron]

13-4 already?

and I'm slowly working on ch9 HM

[vague token]

not ch9?

[sharp wing]

~~working on AK rerolling ~~

[zenith tundra]

i never played much of w13 and now i'm done

gonna leave it at 18% with bh drop forever

[ripe latch]

@zenith tundra best party for 13-4?

[zenith tundra]

not what i used. amagi formi centaur azuma sandy jintsuu. i had to manual boss

[ripe latch]

ah, ok ty

[zenith tundra]

amagi dmg on heavy too low jintsuu too squishy for off tank

taihou also managed to demolish my vg easily on auto even with amagi

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

wait... I mean 9

[vague token]

oh ok

[shell heron]

imagine not being done with ch8 HM already

[vague token]

i actually dont have 8-4 on safe

not enough cv retros to go around

xD

[shell heron]

I don't have 8-3 or 8-4 on safe. don't really need BB or CV gold bps

[zenith tundra]

do u even need to do hm8 for 9?

[vague token]

no

ive ignored like a bunch of older hard modes

xD

[zenith tundra]

then no point even bothering with 8-3/8-4

[vague token]

well 3 star for guaranteed golds is easy

[shell heron]

8-3/8-4 are still at 25% clear for me

[sharp wing]

OwO

Siri sister

[vague token]

yeah, still wondering if she'll be a generalist or niche

xD

[zenith tundra]

hopefully better then sirius

[vague token]

sirius is fine, just niche

she only really needs mgm+1 to match sandy

[zenith tundra]

sirius retro then

[shell heron]

[sharp wing]

NIMIMI

trashelin

[shell heron]

nice try game

r10 is still only 34 pts up

[ripe latch]

porty with pearl

new meta

[zenith tundra]

seems like i'm not the only one who tought about this

wow

lost amagi before juneau and took almost 2min to win

doesn't look like it can stop namaryuu tho. hiryuu just does too much dmg and amagi with heavy armor doesn't seem like has enough dmg to even finalcounter my hiryuu after more then 1min

[fair prism]

fuck ijn meta

usn meta when

[zenith tundra]

this somehow happened wtf

lost the match too

[fair prism]

F

[zenith tundra]

i mean the test since i was without data on but how the hell does that even happen

[fair prism]

idk man i dont get pvp

all i know is that nagato amagi is cancer
hiryuu too

[zenith tundra]

even ws fdg amagi still takes quite a bit to kill that

[fair prism]

have you tried a 3 cv comp

[vague token]

i mean

[zenith tundra]

i tried 2 cv comp and lost 1/3

[vague token]

i was planning on fdg/amagi/suruga

because i figured the EHP to DPS should be pretty good

instead of relying on anything fancy you just brute force through numbers

[zenith tundra]

those fdg and azuma aren't even dev 30

[vague token]

probably just rng

aka he hit you with all shells

you whiffed all yours?

[zenith tundra]

which attempt u mean?

[vague token]

the ones you lost?

xD

[fair prism]

try 3cv

easy win

[zenith tundra]

i only lost once with wfc because everything died for whatever reason

u cannot snipe heavy armor amagi with ws too

[vague token]

suruga shield on heavy amagi is nice

[zenith tundra]

but i would still go with amagi mid and auruga top and not heavy armor amagi tbh

her dmg without sg is way too low

[vague token]

personally i find her damage fine given that im using triple 381

[zenith tundra]

she wouldn't die to anything but nagato anytime soon

[vague token]

and no ijn cd reduction

[zenith tundra]

i meant on defense

not on offense

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

i would use that for defense for sure and this is a great time to test and improve it

fdg fire from barrage is so broken

she literally soloes my amagi

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

almost lost with namagi fdg too. last standing my nagato with 20% hp

most consisten comps so far have been namaryuu and ws fdg amagi. those seem like wouldn't really lose easily to that

[vague token]

namaryuu should do ok cause double strike on that main with no vanguard should do well

unless it runs into unbreakable shield proc

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is the furthest away from losing because i'm beating that with hiryuu 30% hp not final counter yet

as i said amagi without sg cannot dmg my hiryuu with heavy armor

that is why u cannot lose to that as long as u don't put hiryuu on fdg

[vague token]

yeah

although amagi with 457 might work?

or rather it becomes rng

xD

[zenith tundra]

i would rather try nagato with 457

losing a bit of speed on a 40% barrage is not that bad

even with hiryuu tanking fdg not even close to losing since no final counter yet

now i wish he had dev 30 fdg

is scharnhorst in en core data yet?

[vague token]

no

[zenith tundra]

F

was thinking about stella fdg farm

[shy hazel]

ill just borrow some oil

[zenith tundra]

en still seems to be so behind somehow

[shy hazel]

core features here

is fine

[zenith tundra]

the small details are missing

[shy hazel]

en will be late once pr3 comes

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

in fact i dont think can dev 30 any dr

unless i use cubes

before en gets it

jp had a year right

[zenith tundra]

if ur lucky like me where i got 2 dr bps in the last 5 cube 1hr researches then don't bother it doesn't change much

[shy hazel]

and some ppl still not done

i always get 1

[zenith tundra]

i though so too before the last week where i saw no dr from anything non face research

[shy hazel]

i stilp have zuma gun problem

8/50

[zenith tundra]

why 50 lol

[shy hazel]

didnt u need 50

[zenith tundra]

azuma is gold gun so 25

[shy hazel]

wait

[zenith tundra]

the only 50 is georgia

[shy hazel]

i tot zuma gun is rainbow

[zenith tundra]

lol

that's 25

at least in jp

[vague token]

it's 25 here

for azuma

https://gyazo.com/b05d94f94613e5b67ad68e40bd82d6af

almost there

[shy hazel]

guess its correct i maxed out red skills

19/25

[zenith tundra]

is that for azuma gun?

[shy hazel]

ye

ill use dev 10 azuma in pvp

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shell heron]

hmmm, numberwise I'm not doing too bad this season

even with the 2 dead resets day 2

but I'm still 8 pts behind hoo

[empty grove]

Dead season

[shell heron]

And there's famine and his 10 pt lead on me

it's pretty dead when a sandbagger can get r1 rn

[ionic magnet]

how can you still get more than 1pt fam

[empty grove]

I got two before maintenance somehow

[ionic magnet]

2 refresh left for me
im super dead next reset

[shell heron]

now we're in the fun stages. try getting more than 1 +1 per reset

[empty grove]

It gets hard to even get a +1

I had to refresh to get 2 people who could give me bonus

[ionic magnet]

its now "do charges last 10 mins and avoid +9s"

[shell heron]

also hope you don't get stalled

[zenith tundra]

why would u not use them in the last 10 min?

[shell heron]

were you here during that season I met

[ionic magnet]

so you get more chances to see higher ranked peeps

i bet fam is doing his on last 5 mins

[empty grove]

I had 16 people that could give me base points on my last match

Went to 20 when I waited

[zenith tundra]

i never got stalled tbh. i always rush at (attempts left +1)x 1min

and u usually use slow namaryuu

[shell heron]

about a minute per match

that's cutting it pretty close

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

not if u cannot lose

[ionic magnet]

no comp has 100% winrate tho

[zenith tundra]

if i have to say i can reach 95%+ with namaryuu azuma

[shell heron]

all it takes is 30s more for one match and there goes one match. I factor in load times

[ionic magnet]

dont wanna play with fire anymore
not really worth the risk

[empty grove]

One torp meme getting lucky & there goes a match

[zenith tundra]

maybe but i always wait till last 7 min to see if anyone moves by that time

[empty grove]

7 mins is fine on 9/10

[shell heron]

I mean if one of my last matches is an easy 1:1 fleet

then yea I push it a little more

[zenith tundra]

if someone is moving i wait till last 5 before going

at 9/10

[ionic magnet]

cos if someone didnt move in last 10 mins
he'll finish his charges at like 5 mins then you're fcked

[empty grove]

Or be like me

& leave it paused till last min

[shell heron]

that's when you use your refreshes and pray for easy opponents

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't really matter unless u rush earlier then 5min before reset

[shell heron]

sometimes that -1 is worth more than -10

[zenith tundra]

low chances someone is waiting for u to move past that mark

[shell heron]

at this point, we know who are the other sandbaggers of our server are

[ionic magnet]

hardcores

yea i know i gave some of you bonus pts cos i always rush last 10 mins

[shell heron]

10 minutes for 4 matches is pretty reasonable

if nobody moves by then, it's not likely you'll catch someone

unless you like cutting it really close

[zenith tundra]

i did get some bonuses in the last 10min. not many but better then 0

[shell heron]

I can maybe catch up on gensui rush tomorrow. Best day to make up for any early dead resets

[elder crane]

I dropped another 4 matches yesterday for 5 total lost
Late rush for me for sure

[zenith tundra]

i got to lose 3 only because of server fucking up right before reset and then ended 10 behind this season

[elder crane]

On a diff note,
Noshiro is.....
idk about it, she does like literally ~2/3 of the dmg of MVP main fleet ship, even in matches that matter, which is pretty ridiculous
Pretty much always outdamages Suruga, who occasionally hits big numbers but more often than not loses out in dmg to ykkz
More often than not outdamages Nagato (whenever Nagato decides to not proc at all)

And, did I mention, she's lv116

[zenith tundra]

that looks like azuma

[elder crane]

it does

Suruga dmg btw is more often than not, pepega
Amagi, and Noshiro somewhat, has to carry her
idk if Namagi Suruga even works without Noshiro or Azuma present, lul

your team does sooo much less dmg otherwise

I suppose you bring her cause she can survive Warspite-QE-Monarch full focus for 45s consistently

[high bay]

is the purple f4u corsair better than purple hellcat?

[elder crane]

or Namagi-WS focus for 1 min+

[zenith tundra]

only with 457 if u want to use suruga she is somehow good. but if u have 457 fdg is already a better option

[elder crane]

I think Suruga's good for when enemy fleet focuses damage, even more so than Hiryuu maybe
Not sure on if she's good vs more distributed-dmg team, I think me having Noshiro and nobody I face having her is skewing things hard since she's just so good

[zenith tundra]

on defense i have to say that suruga amagi fdg looks very good for a stalling comp that can even put pressure on offense if fdg gets some free 1s fire in

[elder crane]

mmm, this is tough
there's now 4 vanguards that you really want to have
Ykkz, Noshiro, Juneau, and Azuma
Not sure how you build things now
I wonder if Noshiro might bring down VH Azuma somewhat, with torps and all

[zenith tundra]

any torp meme can insta deal 60-70% azuma hp with armor

[elder crane]

Maybe you run that team without ykkz actually?
Having Noshiro both pressures enemy Azuma and protects own Azuma

well, then the torpmeme dies cause lol torpmeme, is the issue

Except ofc Noshiro now doesn't die

[zenith tundra]

i was using armor in w13 and then next pvp match my azuma almost died because of heavy armor against torp meme

[elder crane]

except you then win from there cause lol torpmemes

[zenith tundra]

it's just really not worth it

[elder crane]

But like, Juneau Azuma Noshiro
Might be worth considering

[zenith tundra]

my noshiro is still far from 120. only 111

[elder crane]

Or maybe you drop Jun with that?

nah, no way

too much heals on everything, especially since vanguard matters here

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u can afford juneau out when u can face some fdg walls

[vague token]

if you're running suruga

dump ykkz

since dr stacks multiplicative it's not as a big of a deal

[elder crane]

idk
outlast their vanguard, then dump some torps
that's how Noshiro gets her dmg numbers
her actual output is lower than Jint/etc., she just lives longer to take better advantage of it

[vague token]

so with azuma/noshiro/juneau

you have big stats

and the higher speed of azuma/noshiro really helps

noshiro also helps boost azuma damage

[zenith tundra]

would u use suruga over hieyuu for real tho?

[elder crane]

You've lost a lot of speed there though

[vague token]

compared to literally any other CA comp

you've gained speed

[elder crane]

Maybe yes if team dmg is high enough

[zenith tundra]

i used suruga for a while bow and really don't feel like using her over hiryuu

[elder crane]

Suruga is really good stall
and if vanguard with Noshiro+Azuma now does good dmg, you can afford losing dmg

[vague token]

im using her with ws/amagi

easy to just wait until ws murders everything

while being extra beefy

[elder crane]

Suruga stalls better vs shelling than Hiryuu does, by a good deal
and also provides dred for rest of main fleet

[zenith tundra]

i need to test her because azuma def is so annoying sometimes that i really want to use hiryuu only for her

[elder crane]

ehh, idk if worth dropping Nagato buff on 4 other ships

Idk if WSret is worth that

[zenith tundra]

if noshiro can deal dmg on azuma vg i would use her

[vague token]

heavy azuma cant be touched by most vgs

except maybe baltimore?

cause ap+

[elder crane]

Torps

torps

[vague token]

she has too much hp

[elder crane]

torps!

[vague token]

she can just buffer the torps

and then shoot you

[zenith tundra]

heavy azuma just dies to hiryuu

[vague token]

you need avi or dps

[elder crane]

Well, you just outtrade their azuma with yours
since you have torps in support (and noshiro buff)

[zenith tundra]

no matter the setup with heavy she will either lack speed for bb shoots or evasion for cv dmg

[vague token]

i mean she still is better than 100% of CAs so it's fine not being able to wall both xD

[zenith tundra]

u can just use non armor azuma

[vague token]

or that

[zenith tundra]

and not have problems with anything

just get downed faster by bb aux

[elder crane]

and Nagato barrage

[zenith tundra]

with evasion there isn't much difference

[vague token]

i mean, it isnt like hood dies instantly to nagato barrage

same thing

[elder crane]

heavy armor really kills Nagato+Amagi barrage damages

Ehhh
Have you seen a medium armor main get hit by Nagato barrage?

it's not pretty

[zenith tundra]

if u drop speed for rudder u will die to fire

[elder crane]

they take well over half HP

[vague token]

and it's still better than any cl getting hit

[elder crane]

Nagato is why nobody runs medium armor flag

[vague token]

because they got big hp

xD

[elder crane]

Cause you risk medium armor flag just being deleted

[keen sparrow]

nagato barrage eat 60% hp my unicorn

[vague token]

isnt uni light?

xD

[elder crane]

60% is on the low side really

Only BM are light for main fleet

[vague token]

oh ok

[elder crane]

rest are all med or heavy

[vague token]

or those collab ones

[elder crane]

oh, I think AR is light too

yeah, there's collab too, but lol collab

[keen sparrow]

n my bel just now dead 10s fight torp meme

instant dead

[zenith tundra]

i would still use amagi mid without armor in fdg amagi suruga since heavy armor amagi has 0 dmg and i don't mind not stalling nagato teams

[keen sparrow]

uni is medium @vague token

[vague token]

amagi with no armor is probably ok with azuma armor

since azuma can hopefully just walk in front

and block it

[elder crane]

90/120/70 mod for Nagato with chevrons

medium just gets wrecked

[shell heron]

I wonder what's the better auz loadout for azuma now? rudder/plate or rudder/gyro still

[vague token]

ijn and their AP not AP barrages

[elder crane]

same mods for Amagi large shots

[vague token]

can we just get barrage ammo cleaned up

and consistent

xD

[zenith tundra]

nagato barrage is still just 40% chance vs 100% hiryuu bombs

[elder crane]

doesn't matter much as the offense team vs enemy Nagato
you have to prepare for the bad RNG outcomes since winrate should be very high anyways

with not-terrible-RNG, you should always win as offense team

[zenith tundra]

i use rudder and heavy on hiryuu to prevent any loses. azuma is just there to make sure enemy vg dies

[keen sparrow]

i canot win namryu with 15+k power even reset many time it will dead n i give up n let they win

[elder crane]

doesn't that really lower Hiryuu dmg?
Pretty sure Suruga then does roughly the same job, but also shields rest of main fleet

[zenith tundra]

in namaryuu u just win by having hiryuu murder stuff without opponent vg around not by having azuma shoot main fleet

[vague token]

hiryuu still has base 400 avi though

like in terms of attack stat

that's on par with bbs

maybe a bit better since you run 2 gold planes and a purple

[zenith tundra]

heavy armor rudder hiryuu can still deal 20-30% dmg without focus ryuusei on any backlines in suruga amagi fdg

[elder crane]

Idk about the relative survivability of Armor/Rudder Hiryuu vs Suruga, actually
might be worth a test
Find some good NamagiWS/HMSWarkai and run some comparisons

[vague token]

my suruga is 110

soon (tm)

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu dmg also gets higher the more she lives especially after vg death

[elder crane]

119 for me
but Arknights so lol no time for doing this shit

[vague token]

oh is that out now? xD

[elder crane]

I almost missed another 4 matches cause too busy with AK

[hot creek]

whats arknights

[vague token]

tower defense gacha

i think

[high bay]

i dont have ryuusei so are gold barracudas better than the tenzans for carriers in pvp?

[vague token]

cuda is definitely better than tenzan

[hot creek]

oh. I tried looking it up the other day and all I got was some dnd type boardgame thing

[vague token]

minus like budget pve boss teams

[elder crane]

Less generous gatcha (lol, what isn't compared to AL?), but even more "everyone is usable" than AL is
Also very good waifu and floof
Much more strategic of a game
Requires but also allows less (when F2P) grinding/playtime

[keen sparrow]

using 818 torpedo bomb for slowpoke

[zenith tundra]

the problem with suruga is that hiryuu is still more consistent vg kill and hiryuu final counter is way stronger then any dr suruga provides. worst case scenario u have amagi tank focus while waiting for opponent vg to die and then have hiryuu just finiah by herself the battle

[elder crane]

818 is pretty viable if you have followup

[zenith tundra]

there is no safe net with suruga

[elder crane]

Suruga is your safety net

She doesn't die
and makes sure rest of main doesn't die either

her Dred is like having another ykkz present

[zenith tundra]

not againat hiryuu dmg. i had some namaryuu matchups where my backlines where all under 30% hp and wonder if i got bad barrage rng how much closer would've been

[elder crane]

Only problem is dmg output, as you've noted
if vanguard can make up for it though, that's less an issue
with current teams, no, cause Hiryuu represents like 30% of your team dmg and losing over half of that is too painful

With Azuma and Noshiro though, I have hope

[zenith tundra]

even then most likely hiryuu will be better since she can just finish everything by herself in worst case scenario

[elder crane]

Ehhh
She can finish off, but if your team loses trades badly enough, she can't do it by herself
or if their vanguard somehow pushes through

though I suppose 2nd is even more of a loss for Suruga

since Suruga needs vanguard to pick up the slack on dmg

[vague token]

i mean with 457 it wont be AS bad

[zenith tundra]

with 457 she gets a 1/4 mvp

[elder crane]

That's how you win without Hiryuu vs Hiryuu
You outtrade them badly enough that final counter doesn't matter

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is the only team that i would 100% prefer hiryuu over suruga

with opponent hiryuu and nagato procs u can lose vg too easily or have it not around for much. that's exactly where having a hiryuu that final counters late is the best choice

i just don't feel as safe running suruga over hiryuu final counter

ur using single 150 on noshiro right?

[shell heron]

I don't have the numbers on her barrage damage, but it doesn't look good enough to use it

[zenith tundra]

i think she does pretty well even in pve with single 150

[vague token]

she hits pretty hard cause she spams with the 150mm

it shoots pellets a bit like brooklyn, then adds 4 parallel torps

tis strong

[shell heron]

I should try that.

But nepgun is giving her pretty easy mvp for 200 affinity so later

[shy hazel]

[shell heron]

Hi stella, i don't see you on the ladder this season

[shy hazel]

im on stealth mode

80% on 5th pr

still got a day or two till last step

[finite valve]

everybody here pvping while iam rerolling like an addict in AK

at least got 1 good acc out of it

[zenith tundra]

here we go again

2nd suruga amagi fdg in 1 day

and this with maxed fdg and azuma

[vague token]

imagine rerolling

[zenith tundra]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze9OsAJwjgY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gSza8QA4tfY
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rigk44-9GV4

i lost my 2nd attempt with namagi fdg

guess u need maxed fdg to beat that without hiryuu

[keen sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is so strong in this bb only meta with bad aa

[whole terrace]

Can I post my dock and get advice on the best pvp fleet i can get?

[zenith tundra]

sure

[whole terrace]

I also have Aurora, jintsuu, sendai and noshiro at lower levels, and I will get neptune soon

[zenith tundra]

i would use ws centaur hiryuu backlines and juneau yuki noshiro or portland till u level noshiro up a bit

[keen sparrow]

ws,centau,qe make HMS great again

[zenith tundra]

qe is way more useless then hiryuu

[keen sparrow]

yea we nid queen retro

[whole terrace]

Ok thanks. Will centaur still be ok on defense? Since there's that weird thing with her torp barrage

[keen sparrow]

im now still find centaur she dnt want come

[zenith tundra]

don't bother with defense fleet tbh. u can use whatever

[whole terrace]

oh fair enough

[keen sparrow]

def fleet using mutsuki gang + ark royal

[zenith tundra]

maybe some other opinions would be welcome. not an expert on ws teams...

[hot creek]

You underestimate my power :Anqery:

They removed the emote? rip

one of the few emotes on this server that actually fucking expressed emotion

[vague token]

oh wow

but now how will we QE reee

[hot creek]

ikr what the hell

[vague token]

[keen sparrow]

QE retro for fight nagato

big seven royal n queen order plus

[frail orbit]

Why big 7 keks

When all she got was a twin 381

[keen sparrow]

coz i love the barrage animation

[frail orbit]

All while all she had in her original capacity was being a 15 inch gun and not 16 inch gun? Keks

[zenith tundra]

trying wfc against suruga fdg amagi and the backlines die before azuma lol

too easy to snipe amagi without heavy armor

[frail orbit]

Wait yer using wfc, who died there?

[zenith tundra]

suruga amagi and fdg died twice before azuma did

3rd attmpt no amagi snipe so vg died faster somehow

[zenith tundra]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkMd-y69CL0&t=12s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tUofcYfN8_Q&t=13s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VSUJ7U7vGi8&t=3s

it feels a bit closer with suruga

if the vg fight drags too long it's not great

[keen sparrow]

how abt namawarkai

[zenith tundra]

i cannot test anymore since i got bonus from another fight. if i have to say it's shouldn't be any harder then namagi suruga considering that opponent amagi doesn't use heavy armor so easy snipe on her with ws and amagi focus

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet dont forget to move

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

10 mins before reset as usual

actually might do a bit earlier cos arknights

[hot creek]

10 minutes is quite generous

[zenith tundra]

not if it is 1st bonus

[sharp wing]

Or better, keep rolling AK and forget to pvp,

[hot creek]

if you're on first bonus then that still leaves 2 min per battle, which is fine

[ionic magnet]

already got my sheepfu so im good

[sharp wing]

damn

[hot creek]

but then again Im on sandy where top 100 has easier fleets than 1k

[sharp wing]

did u roll normal banner

[ionic magnet]

yea

[sharp wing]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i mean having to wait till last 10 min for 1st +1 is not good

[sharp wing]

I succumbed to sleep

[hot creek]

Not ideal but its not an issue.

On days where I can't get a single bonus I'd gladly wait until final 10 mins for one.

[shy hazel]

u know hooloo

[ionic magnet]

feels impossible to get +1 early at this time of season tbh

[shy hazel]

i dont care about your sheepfu

but i care about my bonus

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

go move

[ionic magnet]

im higher than you this season so you wait

[sharp wing]

U go back to pecoland

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

rly

i dont even know

anyways

go move

move now brag later

[ionic magnet]

why would i feed my rival

[hot creek]

truly a sandbeggar

[shy hazel]

im lower than u hey

[vague token]

not even begging, just command

the peco decree

[shy hazel]

move or else

[vague token]

peco blackmail

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

kind of funny

this morning i went outside

to eat breakfast

i went home with a switch

tempted

less time for al pvp

so hurry up and move

[hot creek]

can't spare 10 mins?

[shy hazel]

im too hyped to check

[ionic magnet]

my list so ded
im fine moving now if i can atleast get +1 but nope

[shy hazel]

fyi

u wont get any bonus anyways

might as well

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

we kno pvp is dead rn

p sure u wont get any this late

if u still on 10/10

[ionic magnet]

yea you wont get any also

[shy hazel]

hey

[shell heron]

Good, stall each other

[shy hazel]

blue is on my list too

[ionic magnet]

lol

[shy hazel]

i got two jokers

now move

[vague token]

did mine just now xD

cause lazy

[shy hazel]

kiro

[hot creek]

They're just making sure the party lasts

[shy hazel]

i dont care about u rn go away

i need hooloo to move

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

if i get delayed to next reset youll regret this hooloo

[zenith tundra]

blue was 5 attempts behind. who lnows if he will move for a bit

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Blue is not tryhard loser

[shell heron]

Hoo had a good run this season..he'll get stalled to next season instead

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

how many unique ships

does al have again

in en

280?

[hot creek]

i thought it was way more

since all those random trophy DD's

[shy hazel]

oh

got trashcollabs too

for some reason my 500 slots gets filled fast now

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet

[ionic magnet]

@shy hazel k check your list now
maybe i moved
maybe i didn't

[shy hazel]

move

good

why r u rank 7 tho

[ionic magnet]

why

are u higher

[shell heron]

time to move

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

no more +1

[hot creek]

a dev 10 FDG almost killed my Centaur earlier

[shell heron]

@ionic magnet now I'm only 7 points behind you

[shy hazel]

oh

i guess my score is toolow this season

[shell heron]

and I see famine now with his 2087

should be an easy 2600+ this season

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

All depends on the rush period

[ionic magnet]

i got a rusher in my list rn tho so hopefully can maintain

[sharp wing]

so starting hard mode right before reset works for not consuming next day attempt

exchange shop is hawt today

t3 books, food and 2 kinds of PR bps

[empty grove]

Yep

I forgot to do it this time tho

[shell heron]

we had a buki and nep bp yesterday

just both food today

[shy hazel]

i dont even trade those

only bulin purin

[shell heron]

I refuse to use the general bps for fate5 nep

so any nep bps there is amazing

[shy hazel]

i wont bother 35 4 others in my case lol

[shell heron]

11 more to go

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

roon and sanrui bps are now worthless to me

[zenith tundra]

i would buy any bps even if for proto core only

[sharp wing]

I still dun have fate5 so i take any

[zenith tundra]

medals aren't that useful anyway

[shell heron]

fair point

not like 1300 will run out anytime soon

[sharp wing]

I never go above 100 usually

[shell heron]

you underestimate how many I get during events

even more so with fleet lock now

[sharp wing]

well, I only do 40k on events

[zenith tundra]

if u farm they go up by a lot

[sharp wing]

outside events it's 1-2 map runs outside daileis

just to complete 15 victories daily

[empty grove]

I usually stay around 5-6k medals

[sharp wing]

can't macro farm AL

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

as long as i have enough to buy food and bps i don't really care how many i have

[empty grove]

I like to have a lot incase they back to back a lot of good stuff

[zenith tundra]

plus i usually end up retiring bullins since they invade my dock space

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

5-6k