pvp

[vague token]

outside of rng

[elder crane]

But due to the mechanics mentioned, it only affects future strikes

[vague token]

and i was using essex a lot

vg takes plane kills more often

cause burst

[elder crane]

In any case, even if she ramps, it's too slow due to mechanics

[vague token]

i mean her damage is fine on strike 1

[elder crane]

Battles are decided by 2nd strike at latest

"fine" sadly doesn't cut it

[vague token]

100 flood rate, good modifier, 10% damage bonus vs bbs

[elder crane]

Her dmg bonus does affect suicide, right?
I doubt it affects flood though

[vague token]

flood is only avi

but her base is huge anyways

those will tick like bb fires

[elder crane]

Also, does she apply flood consistently?

[vague token]

100% rate on hit, but formation can be weird

[elder crane]

Ehh, iirc I calced to be about 2/3 fire dmg per tick or so

Well, ofc, question is if she hits consistently

Iirc, what, 8 torps?

[vague token]

an fp buffed fire?

cause it is hard to compete with nagato amped fire

standard fires is easier

xD

[elder crane]

I mean
That's the only relevant fire

[zenith tundra]

fdg can set a 1s fire

[vague token]

then essex isnt even relevent

[elder crane]

But like
Torp count is low, parallels mean physical hitrate is low, and evasion hitrate is about a coin toss or so

[vague token]

i didnt have problems landing floods from evasion

cause i used RWG back then

was always a believer

xD

formidable definitely is more consistent

[elder crane]

Even with that, iirc on rudder main with amagi it's 50/50 or so

Given SG+Nagato boost is around there

Or warkai with her super high base hit +luck

[vague token]

i mean plane hit mechanics are whacky anyways

xD

i only had problems from vanguard eating them first

cause the spawn position wasnt consistent

[elder crane]

mmm, I'll have to test it myself I suppose

[vague token]

id usually get floods most fights as long as there wasnt a physical whiff or body blocked by vg

but fights arent long enough to warrant dot comps

when i was running essex sara amagi it was basically just a fake centaur formidable comp

just slam a billion barrage planes into the backline

rely on sara having strangely high bulk

and amagi for general use

if only sara torps were fixed like formidable

god i hate aimed torps on her so much

[frail orbit]

If only those has slow

[vague token]

it makes 0 sense

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if essex geoegia amagi jun yuki sandy could give wfc problems

[frail orbit]

It'd be a true FC

But foken Essex torp slot is bad

[vague token]

i used 818 on essex

[frail orbit]

And 818 RNGesus

[vague token]

her efficiency is whatever

[frail orbit]

Ehh it works?

[vague token]

just slam more gold aviation stat in there

[frail orbit]

The one I proposed earlier

[vague token]

for her flood ticks

[frail orbit]

Double E/Sara Essex?

[vague token]

triple medium fun times

xD

[zenith tundra]

problem with 2 cv on def is that one will be deleted by ws

[vague token]

2 non formidable cv

formi can tank ws since we dont have georgia gun

centaur makes things rng with her base evade

being really high

[zenith tundra]

yeah but it was about uss not fc

[vague token]

eagle armored carrier when

reee

[frail orbit]

@vague token midway through the game

Pun intended

[vague token]

good pun

[zenith tundra]

if armored like taihou i'd rather not see any

[vague token]

Midway was based on hms designs

aka the one that was proven to work

cough lusty cough

[frail orbit]

At least they don't gonna blow like how medium armor be like

[vague token]

still triggered lusty doesnt shield herself or anything

rip start of game skill design

and power creep

xD

[keen sparrow]

when vg wipe n lusty still alive

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

problem is when lusty has 0 dmg

[vague token]

i mean it is ok to trade self damage to enable another ship to do more damage

[long wraith]

There is a way to trigger Nagato barrage? It barely active

[vague token]

that is called balance

pray to rn gods

[zenith tundra]

what vg can even deal enough dmg to compare with backlines

[vague token]

sometimes 40% becomes 100, other times it becomes 0

ibuki

probably specifically buki noshiro

[zenith tundra]

yeah but keeping ibuki alive is not a guaranteed dmg

[vague token]

thus game is not balanced

[zenith tundra]

i played her for months and she was as random as torp can be

[vague token]

because vg dies to fast to even try to dps

xD

rip CAs

[long wraith]

30% chance of nagato barrage while 70% to op lucky e

[keen sparrow]

nagato 40%

[zenith tundra]

why complain about nagato broken barrage being only 40%?

[keen sparrow]

but sometime it like 100%

[zenith tundra]

any more then 40% and she would solo enemy teams

[empty grove]

I see HooLoo is going strong this season

[ionic magnet]

having hard time dodging +9s

[jagged steppe]

see nagato barrage triggering

instant exit battle and restart

ez

[vague token]

eh, 1 barrage is manageable

[zenith tundra]

imagine having to eat 3 of them because of 70% barrage chance

[keen sparrow]

when 1v1 n enemy nagato barrage trigger n u fleet 3% hp left

[vague token]

imagine not using 3 heavy armor ships

;)

[keen sparrow]

[ionic magnet]

just use your rudders and afk

[keen sparrow]

nanoda rudder

[zenith tundra]

i saw a nagato with 457 that was literally murdering me trough sg rudder

20%-30% hp per barrage aoe

[ionic magnet]

w13 coming and choekai still wont drop

[jagged steppe]

my apes team going ham

shit

wromng

ctrl cv

[ionic magnet]

ape?

lul

[ionic magnet]

that comp is all over the place

[jagged steppe]

im in avrora

I dont see anyone using this comp idk

[zenith tundra]

switch cleveland for aurora

[ionic magnet]

no i mean the synergy is off

[jagged steppe]

couldn't get her yet

I just start playing the game for 2 month

[zenith tundra]

and helena for ibuki or noshiro

[keen sparrow]

using elixer

im still raise her

[vague token]

ah yes

the famous helena with foxes

[keen sparrow]

after i got nagto

[vague token]

i see that every so often on avrora

[jagged steppe]

which is better noshiro or sandy

I kinda want double anti air to deal with cvs

[zenith tundra]

noshiro for pvp

[jagged steppe]

I dont have sandy mic D:

[ionic magnet]

get yourself a juneau

[jagged steppe]

does noshiro skill that reduce torp damage stack with anti torpedo?

[vague token]

yes

[jagged steppe]

so its 50% torp reduction?

[vague token]

just remember dr stacks multiplicative

[zenith tundra]

they are from different sources so they stack

[jagged steppe]

not addictivly?

[zenith tundra]

no

[vague token]

no, that'd be busted

[vague token]

in the majority of games % dr skills stack multiplicatively

except fire damage reduction

but we dont talk about fire damage here

xD

[jagged steppe]

thx

[vague token]

yeah in games where % dr skills stack additively

you can boost your dr really easily

cause then say you had like 25 + 25 + 25 + 25, you'd just be invulnerable

[jagged steppe]

is defend fleet matter?

I feels like any comp can be defeated somehow

[zenith tundra]

not really

[jagged steppe]

like triple royal navi bb just got baited by hiryuu hard

[zenith tundra]

defense comps are just if u want to give opponents free xp or an actual fight

[jagged steppe]

hiryuu is like warspite bait

[vague token]

i actually prefer to snipe hiryuu first

removes the stress

[zenith tundra]

stronger defense fleets will also make it harder for others to climb which does hurt sandbagging. but it's useful towards end season to make it hardee for other to just rush and people ending with lists full of people that already used all their attempts.

[vague token]

i mean the odds of someone getting you at the start are w/e at least xD

1/10000 or worse kek

defense rush is only a problem in the middle once you've established point lead

[zenith tundra]

that should be a general thing but people are lazy

[vague token]

honestly i just match my attack with my defense cause im lazy

xD

[jagged steppe]

I randomly lose to enty

once this season once last season

like I have 4 ship

enemy have 1 ship

[zenith tundra]

i always prefer having a strong fleet because i prefer when opponents also have strong fleeta

[jagged steppe]

and all my fleety just kaput

[vague token]

i mean

[jagged steppe]

happen twice already

[vague token]

an owari da proc

on an exposed main

is more than 2x damage

because of how pvp works

[zenith tundra]

u need juneau to mitigate the rng

[vague token]

although im pretty sure most mains with 3 ships up should be able to split the damage

because the bombs wont be focused well

[zenith tundra]

more hp from juneau means less chances u get killed by owarida

[keen sparrow]

juneau refuse to die

[vague token]

i use double boiler on juneau cause im using sheffield/noshiro

xD

[jagged steppe]

is it possible to wiping 3 of enemy ship at the begining of the fight with triple torps?

[vague token]

if your rng is good

[zenith tundra]

does sheffield do good dmg with noshiro?

[vague token]

enemy vg will catch all the torps

and evaporate

as long as i dont catch any shells, she can do all right

i need seattle gun though

[jagged steppe]

do I need to use like noshiro jintsuu yukikaze

[vague token]

belgun wastes too much and nepgun doesnt have good mods to take advantage of it

[cerulean estuary]

if the devs will increase the TORPEDO pixel size about x5 or x10

[zenith tundra]

for max top u want ibuki noshiro jintsuu/yuki

[jagged steppe]

ok thx

[vague token]

probably not even past 10 seattle gun bps

x_X

[zenith tundra]

generally speaking stalling vg works better on offense tho

[vague token]

12/25 on azuma gun lel

[cerulean estuary]

hey i completed 2 5 hrs fdg

and gave me 2 consecutive 1 bp reward

[vague token]

oh im actually at 10 seattle gun bps

legit surprised

[zenith tundra]

i only got dr bps from face researches and no more then 2 at a time in the last few days

[vague token]

guess i better get my azuma exp, dont want to make the gun before building her xD

that would be awkward

[zenith tundra]

that's not bad tho. her gun is so important for her after all

dr meme comp done

i wonder if i could use it on offense too

[cerulean estuary]

is dev 20 fdg ready for pvp? or 25

[zenith tundra]

i would wait for 25. she doesn't really offer much over hiryuu before that

even at 25 her dmg is not amazing but at least she can tank

[vague token]

she gets like 1k hp or w/e at dev 25

i forget

[cerulean estuary]

and even azuma = dev 25 at least

[zenith tundra]

1.2k almost and 2.7k hp in pvp

azuma works from earlier

she can work from dev 15 because her competiton is not as strong

but i waited for dev 20 and she already ourperformed ibuki

[vague token]

plus azuma is just missing efficiency, mgm+1 is at dev 5 xD

not as big of a damage loss

[zenith tundra]

her stats lack might hurt as much as effieciency

[vague token]

the evasion and hp on dev 25 is nice yeah

[zenith tundra]

i meant offensive

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

lack of reload and low mg effieciecy makes fp count a whole bunch

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

even at dev 28 her mg effiency is under 100% with her gun

[vague token]

i mean it's the way it works, you get up to 25% damage bonus for travel xD

it's kinda weird

plus there's always the barrage every 4 shots at least

[coral wren]

IJN is so meta for pvp

[karmic forum]

USS is so not meta for pvp

[coral wren]

I dont think I’ve seen many other ships I mean for HMS it’s usually warkai

yeah uss is not meta at all

I mean except for maybe enty but thats 1 ship

[karmic forum]

You can run a pretty good HMS comp

HMS and IJN are pretty much your only options if you want a top tier fleet.

[coral wren]

how about KMS? USS?

oh well

[zenith tundra]

kms needs fdg dev 30

[karmic forum]

KMS can build a decent comp but its just worse than IJN

[coral wren]

Does the fleet always have to be full faction or can you mix them up?

I have every single faction in my fleet except for KMS

[zenith tundra]

no meta comp is full 1 faction tbh

just because of juneau

[coral wren]

oof

[hot creek]

Essex/Enty is viable

[inner zenith]

full ijn or bust

[zenith tundra]

full broken ships is way better

[coral wren]

Was told Cleveland and Helena make a great team

[karmic forum]

You could probably build a decent full IJN team

[zenith tundra]

yes u most likely can build a team that would beat almost anything without many resets but losing juneau for another ijn is not worth

[hot creek]

Imagine if Jesus only healed American ships

[zenith tundra]

rip hms and ijn

[hot creek]

IJN still has torp memes at least

in some ways im glad Juneau exists cause if she didn't then the meta would just be torp autism

[karmic forum]

Namaryuu + Azuma/Ibuki/Noshiro or something.

[zenith tundra]

that was what i was thinking too

u can also go yuki instead of ibuki for more def

[karmic forum]

It won't outlast juneau so the plan is to just snipe juneau with Ibuki's torps.

So it would be a highrolly defense comp

Probably not worth it rn since people aren't using Azuma

[zenith tundra]

azuma just doesn't really care about torp when on offense. too much hp and with juneau heal she just lasts forever against non 2 cv comps

[vague token]

if juneau only worked on eagle id run like amagi essex sara, balti juneau noshiro probably

xD

[zenith tundra]

i'd just run fdg amagi suruga yuki

noshiro azuma

even if i cannot heal i can still outtank opponents

[vague token]

that is why dots are fun, ignore all the dr xD

[zenith tundra]

are there any suruga comps in en yet?

i don't think i saw more then 2 leveled in my server in def teams

[karmic forum]

I've seen one and that was bluerendar's

Seems like most people don't care about Suruga

[zenith tundra]

ofc him

[karmic forum]

It wasn't 120 though

[elder crane]

Give it time
She only got skills maxed at earliest late last week
and ofc I'm 120ing her though PvP cause I'm lazy

Noshiro at 115 though is a bit pepega in terms of leveling
But lol, apparently she's so tanky it doesn't matter too much

[zenith tundra]

i farmed her in event and finished in w9

[karmic forum]

I dunno, I already feel like people are throwing Suruga by the wayside

[elder crane]

She's really survivable vs shelling, but her dmg output is........ well....

Earliest I've had her sink tanking WSret was 45 s
Usually lasts 1 min+ no issues

[zenith tundra]

i mean she was a stalling ship to begin with

[elder crane]

Also is just standard degree of tankiness vs planes since lol IJN AA

[karmic forum]

Doesn't hiryuu perform the role of stalling better?

[zenith tundra]

for non bbv bb her aa is way above standards

[elder crane]

Well
idk
If she consistently stalls WSret out that far, well
Hiryuu doesn't do better

Suruga dmg is worse though, or at least inconsistent since barrage
but does provide a dred to rest of main fleet too

[karmic forum]

I've never used KagaBB, but I'd imagine that Suruga will work similarly to her.

[elder crane]

Baka is much more offensively-oriented

[zenith tundra]

they are actually very different. suruga is meant for tanking while kaga was dmg

[elder crane]

lives and dies by barrage proc or not
Suruga is still a brick even if no barrages

Also the PvP barrage is very pretty

[karmic forum]

It is pretty I agree

[elder crane]

All the rando small shot spray though, as far as I can tell, doesn't do all that much

[karmic forum]

Too bad you have to be on PvP to see it

[zenith tundra]

i think i'll just stick with fdg even if not dev 30 yet. 457 seems to make her do good dmg even with mgm+1

[karmic forum]

Fast forward half a year and maybe I'll be using FDG as well

[elder crane]

I've had suruga take MVP now sometimes
it feels really weird though
her dmg output is so inconsistent even with same number of barrage procs
probably since a lot of her dmg is main guns, since she doesn't have any reason to run fast gun

[karmic forum]

My next goal is to make torpmemes though

[elder crane]

Noshiro is great though
tops ykkz in dmg output unless she sinks early

at lv115

probably mostly cause she just sticks around

[zenith tundra]

i could try suruga with 457 too

[karmic forum]

Yeah I'm excited to try Noshiro

[elder crane]

single 150 mm btw

[karmic forum]

But after W13

[elder crane]

procs barrage as often as 100 mm ykkz does

[zenith tundra]

i've been using single 150 for solo pve too. seems fun

[karmic forum]

Seems like the barrage will hit quite often in PvP

[elder crane]

it's great as long as there's something to consistently hit

yeah, the range easily reaches enemy main, so hitrate is very good

and it's just the right amount of width so that it basically never completely whiffs

[vague token]

sheffield helps her live to do damage too

[zenith tundra]

this is with 457 but most of them ended before she could even shoot 2 times mg

i'll keep testing but it seems worth using to some degree

[keen sparrow]

warkai with 457

[zenith tundra]

ws does a lot of dmg with 457 like actually kills easily stuff with mg shoots. it's just that she is boring to use tbh

[vague token]

457 is just an improved izumo gun

xD

[hot creek]

Im still not understaning the hype for the 457

its still an AP gun at heart

[vague token]

yes, and you either A) slam a billion damage on azuma

or B) warspite slams a billion damage onto whichever target she marks

and unlike izumo gun, you dont run into rudder rng with hsfcr

every so often i just lose my damage cause of it

xD

[zenith tundra]

the hipe is that that gun does a lot of dmg when it hits backlines

[vague token]

also it increases your barrage/aux gun damage of course

cause more fp

[zenith tundra]

ws does half barrage dmg with it per shell

imagine fdg boosted crits

[hot creek]

I guess it makes sense in a post Azuma and post Seattle gun aux meta.

[inner zenith]

suruga is on ur main defense fleet?

🤔

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying suruga on offense rn but yeah my defense meme fleet is amagi suruga fdg

[inner zenith]

:p

[zenith tundra]

even suruga with 457 hits 2k on nagato

[vague token]

the armor mods do a lot of work

it's a gun that actually feels designed to be anti heavy (although it murders medium still xD)

[inner zenith]

i dont have many gun parts :[

[zenith tundra]

i had around 5 in april and only finished it some days ago

[vague token]

no one does

im at 4/50

xD

at least we have fdg gun to fill in

[zenith tundra]

i like fdg gun in pve but u literally lose 1 shell worth of dmg over mk6

[vague token]

it's for speed

not for shelling i thought

cause it cuts 4 seconds over triple 381

so it's the even more in between twin 380 the triple 381

in terms of role

?

[zenith tundra]

the base dmg of twin 406 154x2 vs 156x3 mk6

it's just an improved twin 410

same dmg just better fp and speed

[hot creek]

AP+ modifiers still aren't super impressive. Yeah its the sheer base damage of the gun that makes it good.

[high bay]

i lost for the first time

no more reset and all of them were namaryuu fleets at lvl 120

[vague token]

125 is impressive when it's like a 33% over HE

which means you kill the main fleet that much faster

or azuma

it's also about 30% damage boost on medium

the light damage penalty is a non-factor since it also boosts fp for your aux

aka seattle guns with their HE++ mod

xD

bb kaga 110

my main fleet torp plans are coming together

[meager dawn]

Main fleet torpmemes?

Backline jintsuu when

[zenith tundra]

super torp memes? with amagi suruga kagabb and torp vg?

[meager dawn]

Why can’t we put oxytorps on them

[vague token]

na, just main fleet

then i use only guns on vg

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

the good old bop it twist it flip it big brain strat

why cant we put oxy on main T_T

[zenith tundra]

at least we don't have to guess if ppl are memeing fleet power on main too

[meager dawn]

Imagine if they just put a bunch of collab auxes on the backline

[vague token]

it's ok my main fleet power is a meme

running zflag on suruga

boosted

gotta get dat barrage crit rate

xD

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 z flags. with those i can meme 16k main

[meager dawn]

Wait for mikasa event to run twice in EN for triple z flag

[zenith tundra]

but is it worth wasting all my general plates for a meme?

[meager dawn]

Obviously yes.

[shy hazel]

[meager dawn]

It’s a meme

[zenith tundra]

i'll pass. i was thinking about 16k on main since ws fdg amagi reaches 15.8k

[vague token]

ooh i want a 2nd zflag

[zenith tundra]

i don't want any. they just waste space

[vague token]

amazon retro

kek

she looks good though

[shy hazel]

japs say

[upper sparrow]

if i put jun/ykkz/noshiro, who is the tank and mid ship?

[shy hazel]

shes now amazon prime

[keen sparrow]

QE retro when

[zenith tundra]

@upper sparrow when fighting ws teams use jun tank and when slower comps or torp memes noshiro tank

[shell heron]

I see hyoen on my list moving

I'll wait another minute before pushing

cutting it close. had the chance of getting stalled

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

but the question is, did you get the bonus?

or was it all for nothing.

[empty grove]

[vague token]

got baited by 3rd

no bonus

XD

[shy hazel]

good

ppl like kiro dont deserve bonus

[empty grove]

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

it's ok i already dropped a match a couple days ago anyways

xD

[forest lake]

Goddamn

Lost 1 tix cuz tried to level

[sharp wing]

I lost reset yesterday cause I came tired from work, grabbed some food and dropped ded asleep on bed Fucc dailies and pvp

I slept 2 resets

[blazing scroll]

[hot creek]

feelsbadman

[long wraith]

Auto win for challenger

[midnight heron]

inb4 lose to repair ships

[sharp wing]

lose w/ 3 cv fleet

how to kill Portland anyway

[zenith tundra]

http://imgur.com/a/iUcn1CN
more suruga matches with 457. her dmg is at least good with this gun

[long wraith]

Kill portland with lucky e

[storm blaze]

Bruh

Bruh. that was easy

[zenith tundra]

how many pts did u get?

[small cypress]

best gun for portland kai?

[sharp wing]

pr he gun

Oh damn, we getting maids retro

[vague token]

who cares about maids when we get dueling on a motorcycle

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

SYNCHRO SHOUKAN > lewd maids

[proper thistle]

Quick question
Will I have 10 or 5 attacks before main

If it's just 5 then lol I'm 80 short of a purin and I'm screwed

[past egret]

@proper thistle 8PM EST reset and 2AM EST reset

[hot creek]

Did you already collect the top 1k reward?

[proper thistle]

Can't hit top 1k

So I am screwed I guess

[hot creek]

Even when rushing as soon as recharge happens?

[proper thistle]

That's annoying

Haven't managed to yet

I can't beat the defenses people put up that are like 14k or higher

[hot creek]

I see. Have you tried 3 starring pve maps?

there might be some purins there

[proper thistle]

I'm on 12-4

No more Purins to get

No weekly either, no shops etc. I will be 80 merit short of getting the damn dawning frame

That is so extremely tilting

Reason I'm short is because I couldn't refresh past some meta defenses and had to eat a loss twice

[hot creek]

Have you collected rewards from this button yet? lol

theres a purin in there if you havent collected yet. I leave it there in case of emergency.

[proper thistle]

I have literally everything yea

[past egret]

weEkLy mIssIon pUriN?

[proper thistle]

[hot creek]

Whats your pvp fleet look like?

[proper thistle]

Like my defense fleet

[past egret]

Show us thy equipment

[proper thistle]

IE could be better

Posted before so here

More or less this

[hot creek]

Oh no. You dont have any higher leveled ships? If youve cleared up to 12-4 I feel like you should at least have some 120 ships by now.

[proper thistle]

I do but not for pvp

[hot creek]

bruh

[karmic forum]

Big F for Dummy

[proper thistle]

Bisq and friends suck for PvP Last I saw

[hot creek]

Im pretty sure they have more of a chance

than your underleveled fleet

[proper thistle]

Doesn't matter tbh, at this point I physically can't reach 15k merit before maint

Even if I rush

[hot creek]

level difference is yuge

you 100% sure bout that?

[proper thistle]

About 80%

[past egret]

Bisq is viable

[hot creek]

I like those odds.

[past egret]

Better odds than ship drop rates

[hot creek]

Try out your leveled fleet in pvp. Seriously.

[past egret]

@proper thistle so what’s your “leveled” fleet actually look like

[proper thistle]

Bisq uni vestal | nimi Phoenix
Hood foxes | Jin nanoda Aya
More or less

Average lvls around 115

Not gonna be super useful

Don't have the meta PvP ships

Will try to spam my attacks when reset comes around and see what happens but likely I'm sol

[past egret]

Jintsu Nanoda Ayanami can be used for torpedo meme

[hot creek]

foxes? perhaps theres a chance

[past egret]

Jintsu Nanoda Ayanami Foxes Nagato/Amagi/Warkai and you’re ready to go

[proper thistle]

Don't have warkai or I'd be using her unfortunately

This would be much simpler

I came back just after the event so missed it

Same with nagato and amagi

[past egret]

Monarch Foxes

[proper thistle]

She's dev 24 so hood is still better tbh

Also hood has 17 lvls on her

Which helps

I'll just take the L

Guess it's only a frame

[hot creek]

Nah, you gotta believe

[proper thistle]

I believe people that set full defenses frustrate me

That's about it

[hot creek]

Well, thats the nature of pvp. Maybe you'll get lucky with non meta or underleveled enemies this round. Optimized fleet will help this time too

[vague token]

120 biscuit will be better than underleveled w/e

you just reset until you land a big crit

i should know, i used 120 biscuit for a while

xD

[ripe latch]

@hot creek
oath girl to get purin ?
no

[shell heron]

gotta save that first free ring

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

actually saving your rings

I need to oath another ship come valentines

[ripe latch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/611635181555548170/Desktop_Screenshot_2019.08.15_-_21.58.04.17.png

[true vale]

I have learned to love casino fleets. does that make me a bad person?

[proper thistle]

Wish I could get a divorce and get a ring back

[true vale]

I wish I could've oathed RNGer sooner.

She makes me happy. I just run her into the strongest fleet until she doubleprocs.

[hot creek]

Ranger is fun indeed.

[true vale]

Quadruple heckdabber with double damage is no joke

[coral wren]

tfw 3 attempts left and already needing to refresh after struggling to get higher score opponents

i just want to sleep

rank 11 with 2 attempts left WHY

all rushers already died

ok nevermind im happy

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

now im numba wan on sandy

and i can sleep sucks for me that resets are at 3am and 7am

who on earth wakes up before 7am

[past egret]

High schoolers

[sharp wing]

wait... how it can be 3am and 7 am.... there 6 hrs between short resets

maybe 3 and 9

that is my case

or 1 am and 7 am

[hot creek]

I have to rush early on mondays /wednesdays cause my professor is anal about phones during lecture

[sharp wing]

At least not boss at work

[hot creek]

will be made even worse when DST starts again

[coral wren]

yeah i meant 1am and 7am im just tired so i cant do math

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

so if i sleep now for 8 hours i sleep through 2 resets it sucks

[sharp wing]

well, I also never get up early

[coral wren]

i normally try to stay awake until next reset

then at least i dont lose points rushing to 0/10

i only need 1 more point to be able to reach 2200 on the reset so i think ill be fine

[sharp wing]

sword witch Azuma riding it again...

[hot creek]

tryharding research is fuccing up my sleep anyways

[karmic forum]

I lost sleep over research in PR1

Not making the same mistake this time

[ripe latch]

6% for azuma

whyyy

arab country give me oil

[coral wren]

[hot creek]

tfw you rush but get bonus anyways

[empty grove]

[smoky elk]

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

[smoky elk]

[shell heron]

I see 2 hard sandbaggers already

and hello @ionic magnet

[empty grove]

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

I don't suppose you're not sandbagging this season and rushing are you?

week 1 wasn't kind and had 2 dead resets. need them points

[empty grove]

He's 100% sandbagging

[ionic magnet]

idk i got lucky early season

[empty grove]

[ionic magnet]

[shell heron]

ok that hurts now. being 10 points behind hoo

that makes 3 sandbaggers on my list

[ionic magnet]

feels weird only 1 pt behind fam

[empty grove]

I hate being this high

So much dodging

[ionic magnet]

forced to do charges til last mins

[ripe latch]

4 battles amagi not proc

[proper thistle]

80 merit short of that purin I needed for the dawning frame

I'm not salty at all

At least I have a better grasp on how the rank works for next time

[zenith tundra]

the event will rerun and the frame too hopefully

[ionic magnet]

you bought purin from exchange shop?

[zenith tundra]

plus collecting chat frames is just an expensive waste

[proper thistle]

Yes

[ionic magnet]

rip

[proper thistle]

Rip indeed

Soooo close.

Literally one attack

[ripe latch]

usless frame

w8 another

[proper thistle]

I don't have any aside from the kms one, and that one's real bulky

This one was sleek at least

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

u can get frame not limit breaking all SRs tho

[karmic forum]

Its still possible with a frame perfect PvP victory into homebutton mashing into homepage skip into another frame perfect border claim

[proper thistle]

You'd literally need to instagib your op wouldn't you

I don't even thing frames are relevant at that point

The refresh is at maint time

Oh well. I can try to be a sandbagger for next PvP season

[karmic forum]

Its not the end of the world though, I had to wait more than half a year to get the sakura medal from VDiR because I couldn't do hard mode the first time

[proper thistle]

And see how it goes

[sharp wing]

medal is not flex enough

[karmic forum]

Its literally just a cosmetic that the majority of people won't see

[proper thistle]

I missed that item from the last colab because I couldn't do the ex stage

Got everything else done lol

That was also annoying and it's gone forever

[ripe latch]

win vs sagit - best flex

[karmic forum]

Although its definitely my favorite border out of the faction-based ones.

[proper thistle]

I'm just waiting for nagato or amagi rerun

Zzzz

So many meta ships behind events

[sharp wing]

nagato rerun is long yet

but amagi about time

[ripe latch]

amagi lvl1 pvp soon

[keen sparrow]

nagato lvl 1 mid soon

[zenith tundra]

time for 2nd amagi maxed so i can setup 1 for offense and 1 for defense

[ripe latch]

~~ nagato lvl 1 barrage proc better than my ~~

[keen sparrow]

nagato,qe,enty all faction leader

[formal prism]

is there a countermeta fleet

[vague token]

im half considering raising a 2nd noshiro cause i got one from sp lol

[zenith tundra]

counter meta as in anti cancer?

[keen sparrow]

countermeta fleet is reset button n rng

[formal prism]

same

[ripe latch]

[formal prism]

juneau annoying ass matyr

[zenith tundra]

use 2 cv with ws sniping hiryuu. like almost anything works

[keen sparrow]

when fight namaryu meta just pray they nagato n amagi no barrage proc

n pray they elixer dead early

[formal prism]

bruh i run enty ws and hood

[proper thistle]

You can keep restarting the fight though can't you

With no penalty

So I mean theoretically if you have a chance you will win eventually

[ripe latch]

enty double catapult - 2 launchs - rip ws kai

but degen proc

[frail orbit]

[formal prism]

speaking the language of the gods because i didnt understand wtf you just said

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

sniping hiryuu
Noob trap

[keen sparrow]

i like to snip amagi first

she debuff n buff too op

[zenith tundra]

then just pray nagato doesn't delete ur vg and hiryuu ryusei backlines to death

[keen sparrow]

:DunktsukiStare:

[vague token]

i prefer to snipe hiryuu first just cause it forces counter onto guaranteed vanguard shield xD

[sharp wing]

yr memer anyway

[vague token]

:SandyMeme:

[sharp wing]

See

[shell heron]

[deft flicker]

Lost 1 match because im busy talking to someone

[keen sparrow]

we nid another ship like ws kai :Nanoda:

emote gone

[deft flicker]

Skill disable ship when?

[keen sparrow]

[shell heron]

[vague token]

muh emote

[ripe latch]

:YorkBruh:

[vague token]

:lytNOTIKETHIS:

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

big yikes

[frail orbit]

:entyheh:

[ionic magnet]

:AkagiLUL:

[ripe latch]

pat to emoji :AkagiLUL:

[sharp wing]

[shell heron]

discord being discord

[empty grove]

So that was discord being shit

[shell heron]

[high bay]

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

looks like the 3 sandbaggers on my list didn't move, but the random did

[ionic magnet]

[inner zenith]

too busy to sandbag :<

[vague token]

so, dido class namesake coming soon

[empty grove]

She's hot

[vague token]

she is edgy, her sword is surrounded with THE DARKNESS

im wondering if she'll be niche like sirius or a generalist like belfast

she'll definitely have some damage steroid though

just not sure how it'll work

inb4 she just power creeps sirius xD

[empty grove]

[keen sparrow]

she 1st face is soo

[empty grove]

Her 1st face is

[finite valve]

not like we going to get her anyway

[high bay]

i have to lvl up my ships more

i dont think i can win lvl 120 fleets most of the time

[hot creek]

time to go pvp tryhard mode

[jagged steppe]

send warspite

[sweet venture]

is juneau belfast yukikaze meta?

i see alot of high ladder players running something like that with nagato amagi backs

[elder crane]

Belfast these days is mostly waifu/historical thing

She's still good, but no longer particularly relevant

Pretty sure current meta should be Jun/ykkz/Noshiro, but not too many have Noshiro leveled
Aside from that, I prefer either Aurora or Sheffield personally
Nep, Saint Louis, Ibuki, and Jintsuu are also fairly common

[sweet venture]

is jun just used for martyr lv 10

[elder crane]

Yes
Massive heals on everyone
Especially for main, since main fleet matters more than vanguard for the most part

[sweet venture]

should i go roll for a ykkz in gacha rn

or is it not worth

[elder crane]

Your choice
Rate on her is not that great though
Just do daily/weekly pulls in Light imo, too triggering if you get trolled otherwise

[sweet venture]

i did the weekly and got 2

[ionic magnet]

belfast is still meta cos ppl are stuck in the past

but tbf there's zero reason to level a noshiro/sheff/aurora unless you're min maxing

[keen sparrow]

i using bel n yeptune

[vague token]

well, no, noshiro is t0 pve

good for use in both modes

[ripe latch]

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Aurora is also great for PvE niche use

[keen sparrow]

juneau for elixer

35% with pearl tears

[elder crane]

MVP debuffer whenever it's enemy DD/CL boss

Better/similar edmg buff than Helena in hard content, and always up

[ripe latch]

sendai still on meta?

[elder crane]

No

Wayy too many other good options, and AKaga is dead

[ionic magnet]

i dont think most ppl bother to min max in pve

[elder crane]

Cough CM and EX

[vague token]

we skipped sendai anyways

we never had a sanrui meta

[ripe latch]

[keen sparrow]

dido meta soon

[ripe latch]

when ppl think nanoda is unsinkable

put sendai

[keen sparrow]

[elder crane]

Didn't sendai have a brief appearance with Amkaga?

I also used her in Hood/Amagi/Hiryuu for IJN tag iirc

[ionic magnet]

yea sendai+aurora memes

[vague token]

did she? i mostly noticed aurora

[elder crane]

Only ppl who rushed getting+leveling her saw some use though iirc
Meta moved too fast to see a lot of use

[vague token]

i saw the rare sendai + aurora

like a little

[keen sparrow]

my aurora skill still lv 1 to lazy

[vague token]

or sendai in 6 ijn

[ionic magnet]

tho it didnt take long before ppl realized she's not really worth it

[elder crane]

I preferred Sendai over Aurora actually, if only 1

Well, more like Nanoda and then Nagato happened

Nanoda fills IJN req much better
And then Nagato in EN killed AKaga
Although lv120 cap meant Amkaga was already dying

Anyways, Sendai preferred for Bel counter imo
Since flare perfectly overlaps smoke, for less RNG

If they stayed in smoke, Sendai debuff is higher %
If they left, they were dead anyways

Vs nonBel, Aurora imo better, but lol nonbel teams back then

[ionic magnet]

idk i prefer aurora only cos she helps in opening torps

and sendai only fits on few comps

cos of timing

[vague token]

and the odd amagi barrage

ultra fast

xD

[elder crane]

Sendai helps with that too
Much better personal torps, and a torp+reload buff
Not that much worse for hitting enemy vanguard, much better for hitting enemy main

Yeah, ofc, Sendai is almost completely just for AKaga teams

[ionic magnet]

yea true

[elder crane]

But like, torpwise, she was another Jint
When Jint was the best nonmeme torper we had

[vague token]

i mean jint will always be the Pure Damage torper

cl bonuses

xD

[elder crane]

Provides more torp power with jint than Aya does, if no skill proc on Aya, since Sendai also buffs Jint torps

Well, Ibuki has her double preload, so

[vague token]

i mean i prefer ibuki because of her bulk to damage ratio

xD

evasion on torp

[elder crane]

She also still beats out everyone at torping with first reload, takes 2 to start having rest pull up to her
And ofc 0 contest for opening torps

And lol at any vanguard but a handful living to 2nd set of torp reload with any reliability

[vague token]

im enjoying sheffield/noshiro for living

xD

double rainbow

[ionic magnet]

i just value killing VGs more than mains so i prefer aurora
early death on enemy juneau is p much a win
its why i really like aurora when i was using kgv (tho its cos of timing too)

my noshiro still 113

but shes pretty tanky tbh

[elder crane]

Again, Sendai back then wasn't much worse for that
Since usually 3rd would be a weak torper if not Aurora (Sirius or Jun)

[vague token]

im at 103 X_x

[elder crane]

116 and she hangs in with ykkz

[vague token]

the main advantage she has over ykkz

[keen sparrow]

im at 101 noshiro n still farm sendai

[vague token]

is that if ykkz reduces a bb shell

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

she still gets set on fire for full

noshiro can just nope out xD

[elder crane]

Ykkz can also reduce fires

So,

[vague token]

yeah, but that's a lot of things to 25% on

instead of dodging it in the first place

and negating 20 seconds of fire ticks

xD

[elder crane]

Ehh, the ones that hit anyways, ykkz can 1 dmg

So it's less RNG actually

[keen sparrow]

yukikaze retro 50% chance reduce dmg to 1

[elder crane]

Think of it this way
Noshiro can negate bb shell + fire, but it's all or nothing
Ykkz does each individually, so less RNG

[ionic magnet]

i just like how i can skip bulge on lead jun and put a rudder instead

[vague token]

actually that's worse though?

[elder crane]

Although, other stat dist means it's not thta simple

[vague token]

because each fire proc is full damage

having to make multiple rolls to take less damage is pretty oof

[elder crane]

Ok
50/50 to negate 1000
Or 50/50 to negate 200 5 times
Which is less rng

[vague token]

what fire does 200

[elder crane]

I'm giving example

[vague token]

except that it isnt equivalent because the results dont match the odds for noshiro vs ykkz

[elder crane]

Ok,
50/50 to negate 2500
50/50 to negate 1000, 750, 750 individually

Which is less RNG

This is example numbers for ease of illustration

The principle holds

[vague token]

the 2nd obviously, because the worst case matches

but in noshiro's case

it doesnt

eg you have to take expected result of all the fire ticks for ykkz + the shell

[elder crane]

First is like Noshiro skill
Negates shell+fire as a chunk
Second is like ykkz skill
Negates ticks individually

Why ykkz is worse with fires (if she even is, I'm not convinced) is her base stat distribution being more evasion, less HP
It has nothing to do with skill, in fact, ykkz skill is less rng

[vague token]

hold on lemme math

[ionic magnet]

is this a noshiro vs ykkz debate
i dont see any reason why you wouldn't want to just run them both tbh

[vague token]

no

this is a very specific thing

[ionic magnet]

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Basically evaling relative vulnerability to fire RNG
We're disagreeing on the reasoning why
Ykkz is arguably worse since her stat dist is more eva-skewed and less HP
Has nothing to do with skills, if anything, ykkz skill is less RNG for fires, as I argued above

Noshiro evarate "negates" a shell+fire as a whole chunk, e.g. X% to negate 1000+750+750 dmg (actually ends up being fairly close to X%=25% in PvP)
Ykkz skill negates each individually, e.g. 25% chance to negate 1000, then seperately 750, then seperately 750
Latter is obviously less RNG than former

[vague token]

yes, but im curious if the expected value of damage taken is more in favor of noshiro

since their base evade rates will be similar

[elder crane]

It's more in favor of ykkz, I've done the calcs
Ykkz vs main fleet dmg is 10-15% more eHP, including fires (with associated rng)

[vague token]

not the ehp

i mean the expected damage taken

over time

of course ykkz is far more survivable

[elder crane]

Not far, actually

[vague token]

but it mostly depends on ykkz evasion rate

[elder crane]

10-15% is a lot less than the dmg RNG experienced

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

I expect to see a 120 Noshiro outsurviving ykkz only somewhat less than half the time
Especially if Noshiro is mid, might be more than half the time with her mid

I mean, we see like Bel and stuff outliving ykkz not too uncommonly
And those have like, what, 30+% less eHP

[vague token]

even at her lower level she randomly survives after 120 sheff xD

shield rng op

too bad juneau is forced, id totally run sheff/sheff/noshiro once we get muse

xD

or i guess muse goes in the back

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

did u put that dumb skill In that calc

1 smg tkan

[hot creek]

ah shit

I did HM world 8 by muscle memory

when I could have done 9

[vague token]

rip

[ripe latch]

[midnight heron]

cant use low lvl fleets in w9 hm anymore

[vague token]

eww these fleet reqs

[midnight heron]

isnt it same as w8hm tho

[vague token]

yeah but i cleared that a long time ago

xD

[zenith tundra]

updated some more fights.
http://imgur.com/a/iUcn1CN

so far only namaryuu seems to be a hard comp to deal with but still haven't fought namagi fdg

457 seems to turn even bad gun ships into decent ones. maybe works for qe too

or tirp

[long wraith]

Fdg maxed dev and high level is still rare tho

[zenith tundra]

now i want to see if with 457 on tirp u can actually use tirp bismark fdg

i only saw few players around with dev 30 fdg

[forest lake]

Have you tried Suruga, Amagi, FdG?

[zenith tundra]

no reason to since my fdg is not dev 30 yet

i would lose too much by switching nagato

[past egret]

457 = 18inch?

[zenith tundra]

dunno about inch but georgia gun

[forest lake]

it's something like 18-20 inch
Just ask google

[zenith tundra]

i never used inches where i live and not gonna start now

[elder crane]

18", yes

[finite valve]

you need 3* and clear a hm map to lower threat lvl right?

[meager dawn]

no

just 100%

[finite valve]

for hard mode?

[meager dawn]

any map

just need 100% to lower threat level

[zenith tundra]

u want to 3* anyway for clearing mode

[finite valve]

don't you need danger to be safe to affect clearing mode?

AKA you need danger level to be at safe to only do boss battle mode?

[ionic magnet]

you need to 3 star AND make it safe level

[meager dawn]

also it unlocks fleet lock for that hard mode stage

[finite valve]

3* is non issue

what iam asking is how will danger level be lower

been so long since i done these shit

[meager dawn]

just get to 100% and keep beating the boss

[frail orbit]

@edgy cypress there there

Snipe Hiryuu keks

[edgy cypress]

sniping Hiryuu is not a problem

but then theres that ship called Juneau

and Yukikaze

[frail orbit]

1-2 airstrike

Formi Cent

Nuff nowadays

[edgy cypress]

Formi Cent is a blessing

i tried doing Formi Cent and Ark in pvp

not really great

[meager dawn]

Sniping hiryuu wasn't a good idea when I was trying to level sanrui and aurora

Frontline got annihilated

[edgy cypress]

but the torp bombers galore

[frail orbit]

Ark RNGesus tho

Like how

Too much DBs

[meager dawn]

But ark is the only other ship with db in there

[edgy cypress]

Formi has an uncomfortable amount of TB

[frail orbit]

So basically no aim, just hit
More like mob killer tbh

[edgy cypress]

Centy has an annoying TB barrage

[frail orbit]

@edgy cypress and that's the point of slowtorpmeme

[edgy cypress]

ngl Centy Barrage looks like it will eat you

[frail orbit]

U would want wakai/kgv anyway for another slot

[edgy cypress]

like chomp

[frail orbit]

Or monarch

[meager dawn]

and then there's this centaur barrage

[edgy cypress]

Monarch/WarsKai/Centy or Formi is my jam

@meager dawn ok that is cursed

[meager dawn]

wdym cursed

[frail orbit]

Am following hooloolive there
WFC/KFC

If there's wakai then WFC for sniping duel keks

[meager dawn]

just fight a centaur

[edgy cypress]

i did

[frail orbit]

[edgy cypress]

quiet easy

[frail orbit]

Imagine snipe duel

Wakai vs Wakai

[edgy cypress]

but gosh Centy's fighter dmg

[frail orbit]

[meager dawn]

I keep thinking centy is centaur + enty

[edgy cypress]

Centy is literally a faster Lusty but with dmg

[frail orbit]

@meager dawn what a bad pun

@edgy cypress not even close

[edgy cypress]

fun fact

i never used

Enty

[frail orbit]

Even if their loadout being the same anyway

[edgy cypress]

[meager dawn]

tfw I leveled enty to 120 only to rarely use her

[edgy cypress]

@frail orbit i mean its not close

but like Centy's Fighter dmg is like bro.....

the moment she strikes backline vanishes

[meager dawn]

cvl with 3 tb slots so we can go full crash dmg with cudas when

[edgy cypress]

PR CV

with 3 tbs

[meager dawn]

CV with CVL reload

[edgy cypress]

basically Centy