pvp

[ripe latch]

[keen sparrow]

rainbow plane when

[ripe latch]

gold helldiver when

[meager dawn]

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

pve you can use whatever torp you want and it'll work anyways because it literally does not matter.

[karmic forum]

I prefer quad mags to regular quints for PvE

Quints are decent against a wave of enemies but have trouble hitting grouped targets or single enemies

Quads are good for single target dps and are a lot more reliable in general

[noble gyro]

FdG PvP equip?

[hot creek]

Typical BB loadout, I'd imagine.

Aux you probably want to make sure she has a radar of some sort since PR ships have a hard time landing shots.

[merry shoal]

PvP has been generous today. I already gotten 4 +11 today

[shell heron]

you're either really behind or really lucky

[merry shoal]

Still have 6 exercises today so yeah lucky

[shell heron]

still early into the season so 4 +11s sounds possible

average has been 3 around this time for me

[merry shoal]

yeah 2 or 3 is what i start to get week 2. so 4 is nutty

[ionic magnet]

must be nice getting more than 1

[empty grove]

[smoky elk]

[formal prism]

btw whats sandbagging

[hot creek]

basically, its a dumb term for spacing out your attacks so that you can gain bonus points off opponents who already used their own attacks.

the original meaning of the term means to feign your true skill and purposely not try hard.

which is ironic

but in the context of sitting on your matches and letting others pass you in ranks, it makes sense.

[shell heron]

It's half right I suppose. We're hiding our true rank by purposely holding 5 matches

[shy hazel]

oh

they copied buckypride in this server now

[shell heron]

[vague token]

[hot creek]

[shell heron]

oh wait...I did one extra match tonight

4/10 left

[formal prism]

wait is there a way to refresh your opponents rank

[shell heron]

relog

[proper thistle]

Need next PvP season to start because I already borked this one

Unrelated
Should I throw beaver badge instead of sg on hood here

Or swap back to the radar

[red nexus]

Just don't use hood

[blazing scroll]

[proper thistle]

K thanks for your helpful input

[high bay]

beaver is probably better for pvp

[ionic magnet]

@proper thistle remove white shell for sg radar

she needs hit stat more than anything

if you have hfcr thats better

[proper thistle]

That's the event one iirc

And no I don't

[ionic magnet]

yeah

well i'd use 2x sg radar tbh

[proper thistle]

Is shell and sg radar fine on kgv and monarch

[ionic magnet]

but seeing as you have her as flag, beaver is fine too

if you get more levels on kgv just switch her with hood

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

nope white shell is only really an option on botes with crit rate skills and high hit stat like warkai

sg radar is better

[proper thistle]

Assuming I don't have 6 radars what do

[ionic magnet]

oh kgv has crit rate skill but shes used as flag so rudder+sg or 2x sg should be better

how many sg you got?

[proper thistle]

Let me see, sorry still at work

Here are my auxes

So 5 I suppose

[ionic magnet]

oh you got enough

kgv beaver sg
monarch 2x sg
hood 2x sg

[meager dawn]

that +10 sponsorship tho

[ionic magnet]

can put rudder on the one tanking enemy warkai too

[proper thistle]

Does hood still have flag spot in this equation

Or is she swapped with kgv

[ionic magnet]

no thats assuming kgv flag

[proper thistle]

Now I was always told to have hood as flag if I use her, I believe you but why would kgv be better

[ionic magnet]

tankier and her barrage hits all backliners when shes at flag

hood is generally used to snipe whats in front of her so she dont need flag anyways

[proper thistle]

Reasonable

[ionic magnet]

same as monarch

[meager dawn]

Can hood even hit everyone in the backline if she's the flagship

[ionic magnet]

yes

[proper thistle]

Hoods spread seems fine as flag

Idk about other slots

So do I do hood or monarch on top

[ionic magnet]

hood only hits the one in front of her

[meager dawn]

her barrage can hit everyone?

[ripe latch]

fck hiry

[proper thistle]

Or adjust based on whether there is an annoying ship across from her

That I'd like to hit

[ionic magnet]

its not much but kgv hits for about 600-800 on enemy sides and double that on enemy flag

you're using 2 barrage botes tho so i dont think placement really matters (for hood and mona)

[proper thistle]

Anything else you'd change

Monarch is still like dev 23 or so unfortunately

But beggars can't be choosers

And no better ship to use

[ionic magnet]

nepguns>belguns>127mm for aux gun

and wait

dont you have kgv gun?

[proper thistle]

Have one spare 127 I can use
And nope. 7/15

I'm still fairly new tbh

[ionic magnet]

rip

well thats fine for now yea

more staags too eventually ofc

[proper thistle]

Yea

As a side note did I waste my time getting white and black shells then

If I'm not even using them

[ionic magnet]

theyre best for pve

[proper thistle]

Oh I see

[meager dawn]

Also did barrages used to target the frontline?

[ionic magnet]

which barrage?

[meager dawn]

hood's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxz6TUVl5rs&t=52

[ionic magnet]

thats her shelling hitting VGs

i think?

[proper thistle]

While I have you here any changes for vg?
Don't own magtorps of any kind

[meager dawn]

[ionic magnet]

yea thats her shelling for sure

[meager dawn]

Looked like her skill since there were a fuckton of red areas when she fired

[ionic magnet]

her barrage looks more yellowish

so

[meager dawn]

[ionic magnet]

yea those 2 reddish shots are shelling for sure

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

@proper thistle yea thats good already
only need more magtorps and ufo/bofors

[proper thistle]

[shy hazel]

hood is only front

[formal prism]

wait does sandbagging involve waiting for the people in ur arena list to rank up then attack them

[past egret]

@formal prism for them to get at least 35 points ahead of you

You can tell they are ahead if they are like 300+ ranks below you

[formal prism]

below as in a lower rank number?

but its all. based on luck aint it? if the person you're up against isnt ranking up at all then you cant do it right

[ripe latch]

war kai counter hiry?

stupid question but...

[shell heron]

WSkai counter everyone. Including WSkai

But yes. Early proc on Hiryuu is very good

[ripe latch]

only lvl left

[shell heron]

You mean 11

[ripe latch]

[shy hazel]

white shell

[past egret]

Is Massachusetts slept on or something

I was trying her out and she just obliterated a Warkai

Also is this gun > 406 for wash, Sodak, Massachusetts, etc?

[sharp wing]

this gun is for timed barrages and for offsetting

[zenith tundra]

i do prefer 381 over 406 in pvp but just because is faster

[sharp wing]

ships that have barrage proc not on firing, but on timer

Also it is used in scenario, when, for example, you have Mona and Warkai target same flank, so it will usually only need 1 mona barrage to kill target, second will be wasted, and then you put triple 381 instead twin 381 to let her have shelling damage to contribute to killing other backliners more, than twin gun

a bit faster barrage is irrelevant

[past egret]

Thank you friends

How good is Georgia in pvp

I want to try double Massa Georgia orbital barrage

[high bay]

can glasgow stall for a bit? the usual meta vanguard consists of cls and dds anyway

[sharp wing]

only DD in pvp is Nanoda

rest are meme

and rest = aya anyway

I think i missed 1 reset in the morning

Thought I did all tix before sleep

[high bay]

the ranking system is a bit weird tbh

at least we get merits for purins

[sharp wing]

no ladder pvp smh

[normal zephyr]

[past egret]

Give us skill based live battles

[formal prism]

holy shit what sandbagging pushed my rank by 400??

[ripe latch]

[spice pagoda]

Calculated

[frail orbit]

[sage thistle]

bring it on kiddo @spice pagoda

[spice pagoda]

too lazy to do all that sandbagging bullshit. I don't really need Purins anymore anyways

[sage thistle]

wdym

you always need Purins

[shell heron]

true sandbaggers do it just to flex for 1 minute when EoS comes around every 2 weeks

because my 748k merit isn't going away anytime soon

I should really start that Eldridge collection I want

[spice pagoda]

@sage thistle no really, I don't have anything left to MLB. I don't care about littorio

[sage thistle]

all your collab ships

[sharp wing]

36 purins can be used up there

[spice pagoda]

There's no need

Collabs don't give fleet tech; littorio has a basic bb fleet tech bonus and sardenia fleet tech currently goes into nothing

[sharp wing]

not having anything to mlb and not needing/wanting to do is not same

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

Wonder if Fam has enough purins to keep up w/ FP ranking

7 purins per ship iterations

[empty grove]

I have like 50 something

FP ranking is a waste of resources tho

[sharp wing]

Watching My Wife riding big katana in dorm

Shiyo wtf

[vague token]

sanrui skin when

[sharp wing]

Never

Poor Choukai

Best girl ignored

useless tsun and yan only 🚮

Azuma is technically Choukai's "big sister", so

[vague token]

meanwhile maya sad

[sharp wing]

Maya adopted dogo

🚮

Shiyo was drunk

Caught Noir doing selfies in Academy garden

[ripe latch]

25% for "big sister"

[coral wren]

have fun whoever is going to sandbag off my 9 attempts

time for sleep

[sharp wing]

[spice pagoda]

I've already won PvP. Nobody can mentally handle this defence fleet

[sharp wing]

Good food

[hot creek]

needs more stars

[ripe latch]

[coral wren]

I unexpectedly got annihalated again today

thats what I get for facing someone 30 levels higher then me

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

Im actually finding it harder to raise my win percentage the more losses you get

Usually it goes up by 0.1 each battle you win but sometimes it takes like 2 or maybe 3.

[ionic magnet]

yea thats how math works

[coral wren]

frick

[ionic magnet]

i started with 200+ losses so

[coral wren]

ultimate goal is to reach like 99 but I went down to 94.3 recently because I wasnt paying attention

also my ships are not as high leveled as some of the others im facing

[ionic magnet]

took me a year to get my wr to 95+%

[coral wren]

im eventually going to get to that goal but thats assuming I dont fuck up + waiting for an eternity because refreshes are stupid

appearently average winrate for most people here is 100% or something

[ionic magnet]

well wr doesnt say much when one can just do safe fights and theres always the reset button

[coral wren]

True

It looks ugly on my profile though

Every time I change my secretary I get reminded of my failure

[ionic magnet]

and nah most ppl here are close to 100% but not really 100%

ppl fuck up one way or another

[coral wren]

smh

If I dont get to 99.7 by the end of these 2 months im going to be very upset

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I mean idk why I care about winrates so much maybe because im an incel or something

[ionic magnet]

just fight meme fleets for now

30 levels behind is suicide

[coral wren]

Ok fair

I’m like lvl 51

why tf is everyone around me 60+ and 80+

Im praying to get ark royal mitsuki fleets tbh

[vague token]

imagine not taking losses before learning you can reset

thus having under 100% win rate

jk i miss fights anyways xD

[coral wren]

No matter how many lolis I slaughter my lust for merits will not be quenched

Also winrate

[ionic magnet]

only player i know with 100% is trump

[coral wren]

But winrate just serves to piss me off and remind me how I don’t have a life so

smh my head

cant wait for season reset

Usually when it resets there are a lot of easy fleets

[shell heron]

I just want my 99.8% WR back

afked for 2 seconds and got out nagato'd last season

[coral wren]

What’s your current wr

[past egret]

He just said it

99.8

[coral wren]

No like he wanted 99.8 back

[smoky elk]

99.7?

[coral wren]

How in absolute heck

I wish I had that

[shell heron]

99.79

[coral wren]

99.7 is my attack winrate for the normal missions

[empty grove]

Anything under 100% is ruined anyway

[coral wren]

For some reason it doesn’t go up

[empty grove]

[coral wren]

is that sarcasm or actual reality

[empty grove]

You pick

[coral wren]

Sorry im unable to detect

bro pls im crying and shaking rn

[shell heron]

anything not 100 means you were a pleb that didn't know how to reset back then

like I was

[coral wren]

For me its underestimating their fleet

Like my main fleet was at half health overall and the next second they all die immediately

im not even sure wtf hit them but

[elder crane]

Ahh, good ole enty

[shell heron]

sounds like a typical CV plane death

[smoky elk]

I went as low as 88.3 when i started pvp, didn't know the reset, and just rebounce to 96.5 atm

[shell heron]

or nagato barrage

[coral wren]

yeah that

[ionic magnet]

or you have a big brain and used pvp for levelling by intentionally fighting high level teams

[elder crane]

And also lv100 lower HP

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I could’ve resetted but I was too late .

[elder crane]

Single Enty strike at lv100 basically wipes main fleet if Vanguard is dead
Unless own enty or something

[coral wren]

My own enty died

cause

THE OTHER ENTY

[elder crane]

Good ole 2.5 min OWARI DA wars

[shell heron]

Junie is quite good there, she's a hp pot and have high AA

[elder crane]

Lol at building up Jun that early on

[shell heron]

Jun wasn't even considered at the beginning

then people caught on

[elder crane]

I had one owarida war end by fighter chip dmg

She was for ppl fast-building PvP, but lol
EN didn't even get to HMS meta before FW

[coral wren]

Here is the fleet I use for pvp

I use this same fleet for bassically everything else as well

[elder crane]

But like,
No Hood+No enty = sadface during release

[shell heron]

usually how it ends with enty fights back then. slowly chip each other down

[elder crane]

Enemy Enty just murders you

Unless you lucked with getting foxes early

[coral wren]

is akaga supposed to be op

I dont want to farm its boring

[elder crane]

AKaga is weak these days

[coral wren]

Yeah you just said that pleb

[shell heron]

it's still one of the easier comps you can run.

[elder crane]

Discord lagged out

[shell heron]

if anything, your levels is what's keeping you down

[elder crane]

But yeah
We meme that now KMS can finally beat Akaga
Cause any good team should

[coral wren]

They’re quite high aren’t they? Lvl 80-99 is what most my ships are

I haven’t reached a 100 (yet)...

Cleveland is quite close to reaching that though.

Love cleve, god dps and pretty tanky.

[elder crane]

Let's put it this way
For a mirror comp, being 5 lv down is hard to win, 10 is almost impossible usually

[coral wren]

commander level or ship level?

[elder crane]

Usual scaling+ additional PvP HP scaling

Ship levels

[coral wren]

I mean my fleet has beaten fleets with 3000+ more overall power

laffey retrofits etc

Your right about the ship levels though;

[elder crane]

2% dmg taken and dealt
0.1% hit and eva rates
On top of usual stat diffs
Also 0.5% PvP HP multiplier
Is the difference per ship level

[shell heron]

I believe it caps out at 10 level difference

[elder crane]

25 actually
Except HP multiplier, that is always there

[shell heron]

oh

yea when max is 120. your ships will get demolished by most comps I see

[elder crane]

Let's put it this way
Ungeared 120 will probably win vs lv100s

Depends on if lv120 ships have skill barrages

[shell heron]

so 50% dmg taken/dealt. makes sense that ungeared 120 can still win

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

well, 40%

[glacial shuttle]

dumb question; why Nepguns over Belguns on BB? accuracy?

[shell heron]

so 20 level difference

[vague token]

range

cant shoot if they arent in range

xD

[elder crane]

If you don't know yet, ingame infopanel range numbers are all lies

actual ranges have to be datamined/tested

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/511231012769103883/570028955831107644/Capture.PNG

[vague token]

target range and projectile range are different things

left most is the projectile range right?

[keen sparrow]

we nid QE retro it so useless https://youtu.be/X_7ICBqJH10

[vague token]

unicorn killing the fleet damage lol

[charred sable]

Poor McCall, tis for the greater good

[keen sparrow]

[inner zenith]

Lmao

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

do PR ships oil cost scale with stars or levels?

[inner zenith]

my 3 star low lvl fdg cost more than my maxed st loui 😭

[keen sparrow]

star

[ionic magnet]

levels only

[shell heron]

levels would make sense

you can get them to 120 before MLB if you really want to

[hot creek]

dang, I shoulda started the affection grind a long time ago then lol

[keen sparrow]

lvl 1 pr affection farm on 1-1 better

[sharp wing]

PR ships don't change cost regardless of dev lvl, so only lvl increase

[keen sparrow]

i will put out monarch from dorm

[sharp wing]

PR always considered to be at max limit break

[inner zenith]

rip

i kept doing the 1200 oil commissions and now they're nearly 100

with 70 affection

[hot creek]

Can FDG get mvp (on a real map) with 1 MGM

[sharp wing]

with barrage

pr ships cost

DR

19 oil FdG at 100

some fleets are cheaper

[ionic magnet]

happy farming

[inner zenith]

90 or 100 no diff :p

sad life

[sharp wing]

azuma max cost at 88

[hot creek]

NotLikeThis

[keen sparrow]

[sharp wing]

FdG max cost at 90

[hot creek]

17.6k oil to farm 110 affection

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

TIme to make it worth it by farming Gasgone XP

[finite valve]

not secretary your PR ship at lvl 1 till 90

noob move to say the least

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

pro gamer move- abuse shrine bug and get secretary affection past 90

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

Wait that was a bug?

[sharp wing]

lol

[finite valve]

only goes to maybe 91 or 92 or something

might be wrong

[sharp wing]

nah

[finite valve]

[sharp wing]

u can lvl 1 oath

[empty grove]

I saw someone here with an oathed level 1 FDG

[finite valve]

dk dc tbh

lvl 1 90 aff is enough

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

u get affinity at regular rate after 90 w/ shrine, just not double

[empty grove]

My FDG is still level 1

[hot creek]

Mine got to 94 aff before event ended

[finite valve]

all lvl 1

[hot creek]

cause i used it mostly on zoomer

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

I just shoved Azuma into dorm

Only one I care enough to 120

[sharp wing]

Cultured

[finite valve]

not like azuma is a harder target to 120 anyway

[empty grove]

Doesn't DR require more actual EXP to level

[sharp wing]

extra 20%

per lvl

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

I didn't know that

[sharp wing]

lol

[empty grove]

I can remember reading it awhile ago

& saw the amount of exp Azuma needed

[sharp wing]

they cost more, they eat more

[empty grove]

That 19 oil tho

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

whale but afraid of a little oil cost?

[empty grove]

Yes

[sharp wing]

Whale for cosmetics

[finite valve]

💳

[empty grove]

I don't like buying oil

But I do

[sharp wing]

whel

[finite valve]

[shy hazel]

be like those big brain ppl

use azuma to farm loli

truly bicc brain

[empty grove]

Already used Noshiro for that

[inner zenith]

i wanna grind pr2 but oil savings for next event )=

[hot creek]

what event?

gonna be awhile til the next one I think

[inner zenith]

i was told polaris comes in january

[hot creek]

Oh, right. That ones looks pretty grindy.

60k pt to collect all DR prints in the reward track and highest map only gives 150pt per clear

[forest lake]

Early 2020 doesn't necessarily mean January

[inner zenith]

true

[hot creek]

fubuki doujin spotted

[shy hazel]

early january usually means q1

which is until march

[coral wren]

Kinda wish more lvl 50s where at 6k

[charred sable]

Salute to all the mind-broken 1-oil destroyers sacrificed in this 1-1 affection grind. Your efforts were not in vain

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile i didnt notice i got no more BB prints
now i cant build her lul

[hot creek]

Neglecting your daily HM?

[ionic magnet]

only did DD/cruiser maps since forever

[hot creek]

I'll admit, I was the same for awhile. 8-3 and 8-4 weren't even 3 starred or cleared cause playing non safe danger zone HM was annoying.

but then I eventually did it and balance was restored

[ionic magnet]

literally just started with 8-3 today

[empty grove]

[vague token]

i have 1, 2, and 3 on safe

8-4 is 3 star but medium

[charred sable]

OCD prevents me from leaving any node non-3-star'd

[empty grove]

My W12 still looks like this

[charred sable]

@empty grove finish it

[empty grove]

One day

[formal prism]

fuckkkk when is the nagato rerun

[ionic magnet]

youre like 6 months early to ask that

[past egret]

Nagato

[midnight heron]

nice to see cheaters again in pvp after so long

[ripe latch]

pvp cheaters

[keen sparrow]

[past egret]

Explain @midnight heron

[proper thistle]

PvP cheaters ?

How the hell do you even cheat

Also I need to get to 15k merit before maint. Only way I see that happening is if I get those rank rewards. Is it feasible for me to hit 1000?
I had been trying to sandbag but my rank still seems to drop lower in the process

[past egret]

While you sand back your rank will always drop, you should be about 50-90 points below the top players at this time providing you sand bagged right

You should always have 5/10 matches (or less depending on luck with rushers) until end of season

[proper thistle]

Are the points what is giving me my rank
Or what exactly. Because at this point I have more points than I will ever need

I just need to hit 1k rank

[past egret]

You have 1491 points, if you rushed now, each match would give you 10 points

[proper thistle]

Is there a fixed amount of rank I'd gain from the wins

[past egret]

• 10 points a win might send you up a couple 100

[proper thistle]

Don't quite follow the chart

[past egret]

Sandbag + 11-13 points might send you up 200

[proper thistle]

So tldr Its not feasible for me to hit 1k

[past egret]

Most people sit at tied scores

So that’s why sandbagging bonus points can push you up a lot more

What’s the current score of the rank 1 player on your server

[proper thistle]

Let me see

[high bay]

its feasible, i got to rank 485 by just taking whoever is ranked higher than me

[proper thistle]

1694

For number one player

[karmic forum]

Rank 1 at this point doesn't matter, probably just a sandbagger who decided to use all of his runs.

[past egret]

You are at 1491 and rank 1 is at 1694

Bonus points if he sand bagged fully wouldn’t even be past 50

It seems like you missed a few resets

[proper thistle]

Probably did
I can't do much in PvP from a competitive aspect

My fleet is too low lvl

[past egret]

Since no one can see point score above rank 100 it’s a guess if you’ll make it

Depends how active the season is

[proper thistle]

100 has a lot of people tied at 1659

[past egret]

Right

Normally sand bagging without missing a reset puts me at rank 1,100-1,300

Being only 100ish points behind rank 1

So top 1k for you is likely out of the question this season

If you want to just passively get into the 1k zone just sandbag slightly and rush when you can’t

No shame in rushing

[proper thistle]

I don't care about the season tbh I just need the points for the purin before today ends so I can get the frame

That's my only concern

Seems there is no way for me to get the 3k merit today

[past egret]

We have 2 more resets + your 5/10

Assuming you rush all times you’d get 150 points

[meager dawn]

but you still have tomorrow

[past egret]

2AM reset

1491 + 150
You’d be around 1641 score meaning you’d be below 1k zone so you’d get your promotion

Assuming you snipe the rank promotion before other rushers come in

[proper thistle]

@meager dawn so does the dawning frame poof this maintenance or the one after

[meager dawn]

this maint.

[proper thistle]

So I don't really have tomorrow then

[meager dawn]

why not

[past egret]

You have the 2am reset

[meager dawn]

[proper thistle]

[past egret]

Which is 5 more pvp matches

[meager dawn]

maint. is like 2 resets from now

you still have like 15 more matches tomorrow

[zenith tundra]

is en getting w13 next maint?

[karmic forum]

Maint is on thursday

[meager dawn]

EN getting AS

[elder crane]

Yeah, we're getting ch13 it seems
Right as Arknights releases - sorry Bunker Hill and friends, you're going to have to wait

[ripe latch]

sorry arknight , but farm bh better

[safe meteor]

Does Noshiro torp dmg reducing skill stack with anti torp bulge and Jintsuu kai self dmg reduction skill?

[zenith tundra]

they all stack

[safe meteor]

their torp buffing skills too?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[safe meteor]

so they could work in a torp focused pvp team

any recommended pvp teams yet with Noshiro?

[zenith tundra]

skill that don't stack are command ones with same name like command cruiser firepower

[proper thistle]

ibuki noshiro and nanoda maybe

or something with more dps

there was some video with a jp frontline rocking ibuki and noshiro

cant recall what the third was

[safe meteor]

does she fit in stall teams?

like say Juneau, Noshiro, Yukikaze

or would ships like Neptune and Saint Louis be better in her place?

[sharp wing]

Azuma noshiro buki it was

[safe meteor]

its gonna take a while to get Azuma in a decent fighting condition.........

[sharp wing]

azuma is gunboat too

Azuma usable after dev 15 too

[safe meteor]

oh really, so soon?

[sharp wing]

FdG needs 30

[proper thistle]

well shes a main ship hiding in your frontline i guess

[sharp wing]

Sanrui has no preload torps

[safe meteor]

i thought it would be at least dev20 or dev25 to be on par with like dev30 Neptune/Saint Louis?

[zenith tundra]

dev 20 azuma is already better then dev 30 ibuki without noshiro

[sharp wing]

she get's stats at dev 15, dev 20 is just eff

[safe meteor]

so how far is everyone with Dev lvl on Azuma and FdG?

[zenith tundra]

70-80bps from dev 30 on both but i play on jp

[sharp wing]

dev 15 and dev 25 main milestones

[safe meteor]

does dev20 give a major boost to Azuma stat with the limit break star increase?

[sharp wing]

Aux eff

that's all

[zenith tundra]

her aux gun eff is pretty good boost

[safe meteor]

alright i see

[sharp wing]

50%>60%

[zenith tundra]

from 50 to 60% eff is a 20% boost in dmg

[safe meteor]

so how does it work for FdG?

sh need dev30 for that extra main gun+1?

[sharp wing]

yes

[safe meteor]

or is there an earlier point to be usable?

[sharp wing]

not really

[safe meteor]

i see

[sharp wing]

can use hiryuu before

[safe meteor]

every +5 dev gives her a major boost then?

[sharp wing]

or suruga

[zenith tundra]

fdg dmg is low due to mgm lacking till dev30. with 457 she does quite a lot even without mgm +2 but u can also use it on better ships like ws

[sharp wing]

FdG barrage only harras vg

she needs 3 mg to have punch

[zenith tundra]

dev 28 against namaryuu

[safe meteor]

so whats the ultimate endgame pvp team gonna be?

[zenith tundra]

but without 457 she cannot mvp

[safe meteor]

this team?

[sharp wing]

standard team but w/ azuma

[safe meteor]

no WS kai?

[sharp wing]

u can slot whatever in Namagi

till dev 30 fdg

warkai, hiryuu, suruga

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is still one of the best comps. if i have to say best team will be ws amagi fdg azuma yuki jun

[safe meteor]

i mean, whats gonna be the ulimate endgame main fleet? like FdG + Warspite kai?

[sharp wing]

nagato to buff Azuma amagi and give fastload still good

no point to run non 4 ijn

[safe meteor]

right

Amagi unable to be replaced then?

[zenith tundra]

her debuffs are too broken

[safe meteor]

guess forced to bring Nagato with Amagi then

[sharp wing]

particularly on huge hp botes like fdg

gives big ehp boost

[safe meteor]

still waiting for her rerun

[sharp wing]

it's due

[safe meteor]

i hope

[sharp wing]

other servers need it too

it was global run

[safe meteor]

hmm?

it was that early?

[zenith tundra]

ce run was for all servers

[sharp wing]

CE run was global

like fw etc.

[safe meteor]

another event i missed

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra perhaps switching nanoda w/ noshi, wonder if it works or nope due to nosh being cl . . .

I meant on ur wakai double mommy comp

[zenith tundra]

i don't see noshiro as needed with azuma around and yuki dr and heal are still better then any vg dr

[shell heron]

noshiro just sounds fun to use

would make torp meme a little less meme

[zenith tundra]

also torp meme are leas frequent with azuma around since more people will use her on def too

[shell heron]

I really don't think EN will see any usable Azumas until next month

maybe

[inner zenith]

is azuma still good at dev 15 w/o her gun

:\

[zenith tundra]

u need her gun tbh

[sharp wing]

Gun is easier to get, than dev 15 tho

[sharp wing]

Ok.

[sharp wing]

Funny how Yuubarui shields actually are stationary

[plush shadow]

somehow managed to get rid of this guy's whole fleet except juneau

my ships are highly intellectual

[shell heron]

Meanwhile my junie sometimes refuse to die

[past egret]

Ah yes, in another 4 months I’ll be at least dev 25!

Surprisingly dev 15 seems pretty cheap, only about 10 blueprints per level

[shell heron]

Ah yes. Until you hit dev20+

Where it really hurts is 29 to 30

[past egret]

I plan to use FDG at dev 25 with that bonus 1k HP

But shit man 30 per level is painful

[zenith tundra]

dev 26-29 is not that terrible since u get close to the end

dev 30 sounds cancer with 60 bps

plus at dev 25 they have already max def stats

[jagged steppe]

test

[fair prism]

whats yalls opinion of seattle?

[zenith tundra]

in pvp not worth using tbh

she doesn't really offer anything and her dr forces her in the saftest spot while not getting any real benefit from keeping her alive

also she needs 2 seattle guns to have max dmg and those are way better on bb

[fair prism]

so which pr2 ship should i go for? i have finished fdg already

[zenith tundra]

azuma is best vg ship after juneau and yuki

georgia does tons of dmg but she doesn't synergize with anything relevant for pvp

[fair prism]

hmm

but i wanna keep memeing with my 3cv fleet, does azuma fit in there?

[zenith tundra]

azuma is a tank that also does dmg. she can fit in any comp but not sure if she is better then supports like aurora/sirius for 3 cv

[hot creek]

So Georgia fits perfectly in a USS fleet then

[zenith tundra]

outside of uss not being meta in pvp yes

[fair prism]

3 US cv is not meta indeed 😄

[zenith tundra]

i wonder if bunker hill enty georgia works

[hot creek]

Enty/Essex rise up

[fair prism]

yeeeee

i still need a good third cv for absolute memage

im not super happy with saratoga

[zenith tundra]

enty essex also gain/give nothing to georgia

[hot creek]

no, just put Georgia there

[zenith tundra]

or just put ws and have easier wins

[hot creek]

Sure, but USA! USA! USA!

[fair prism]

i have a full us pvp fleet and im not doing too shabby

flex

[jagged steppe]

they should prevent player from escaping inevitable loss

[hot creek]

no worries, there's a button for that

[jagged steppe]

I mean they shouldn't let use exit

us use

[zenith tundra]

welcome to al pvp that is nothing more then a camping simulator

[fair prism]

who is supposed to prevent players?

[hot creek]

Would you rather have camping simulator or RNG simulator?

[jagged steppe]

the moment people see enemy enty proc they just restart the fight

ofc rng simulator

[hot creek]

No thanks

[zenith tundra]

that was a long time ago tho. nowdays i don't think anyone with a good fleet resets to enty

[hot creek]

Helena/Enty can still wreck u.

[fair prism]

tfw when i still run enty helena

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen almost any and shouldn't be an insta reset like in the old days

[hot creek]

After VG trades and Enty happens to get perfect timing where the stupid ass backline v backline reload buff makes her have 100% evasion uptime during enemy attacks. It can happen.

[jagged steppe]

reset anyway

[small cypress]

Best gun for sandy?

[hot creek]

Yes, reset

Give Sandy french DD gun

[past egret]

French DD Gun

Such a beautiful weapon

[blissful girder]

What's the verdict on Noshiro pvp?

[past egret]

Actually Usable

Not meta breaking but usable

[blissful girder]

Interesting. Haven't seen her on any defenes fleets yet so haven't been able to tell

in my own use, she laughs at torp meme defense fleets

[zenith tundra]

takes a while before normal people level ships to 120

[jagged steppe]

maybe because people lazy to rais her or not fully skilled yet

[zenith tundra]

my noshiro is only 110 but i don't need her for pvp anyway

[blissful girder]

once up to level, will she be better stall than Neptune, or Neptune's heal still better stall?

[jagged steppe]

noshiro is ijn

so you get accuracy and reload from nagato

[hot creek]

As much as I love her, Neptune is in a weird spot that makes her not so great in the first place.

Noshiro is solid all around and brings in all those team buffs.

and you'll want to use her especially if you're already using IJN.

Dev 0 FDG bringing in MVP's at 7-2 feelsgoodman.

[blissful girder]

I'm using based HMS back line

with Sandykai on attack for now

[hot creek]

HMS best girls

[blissful girder]

yep. Does Georgia PVP well though? Seems like stationary back lines would be perfect targets for the Hammer of God to rain meteors down on

though you're kinda flipping coins to see if she fires at van or main I guess

[zenith tundra]

how is ur fdg dev 0?

[hot creek]

I prefer to have the full print count displayed. Arbitrary reasons, I know.

[shell heron]

Im tempted to use those general pr prints to fate5 nep now but azuma is already out and noshiro is a contender to being just as good

If not better

[zenith tundra]

i don't like to keep track of them. in the end it's rng whatever i get bps or not

[shell heron]

Need to first get noshiro to 120 200 affinity first before I can say she is better

[zenith tundra]

do u have anyone else u want to fate 5 instead?

[hot creek]

Gotta save those extras for when proto shop comes

[zenith tundra]

idk i started current month of proto with fate 5 bps for all pr2 and i already brought 7/10 dr bps with extras

i think past all fate 5 pr2 u get too many to even use proto shop only for dr

[late cypress]

@zenith tundra whats that

[zenith tundra]

proto shop

u can use it to exchamge extra pr/dr bps u have for points and then get either universal pr/dr bps or equip bps

[finite valve]

maint is today or tomorrow?

@zenith tundra are those last 2 for gear bp?

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[finite valve]

they act like general bp where you choose what gear it turn into?

[zenith tundra]

in 2 days it's 16th for jp

[hot creek]

I could use some Seattle gun prints

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that shouldn't be in shop from pr1/2 unique equip is staag

[finite valve]

already got full fleet of stagg ready

[zenith tundra]

and rudder too

[finite valve]

rudder is non issue since PR 2 got them

problem is stagg

[zenith tundra]

i have 5 seattle guns and manage to use 4 for pvp

[finite valve]

by the time you got 1 rainbow gun

4 or 5 is doable

[zenith tundra]

i'm close to 6 by like 4-5 bps and barelly finished 1 457

[finite valve]

min max at it's finest

[hot creek]

Why are ppl saying FDG needs rainbow gun

[zenith tundra]

before dev 30 for pvp is the only way for her to do significant dmg imo. twin 406 doesn't hit hard enough and tripples are slow

also her mg skill with 457 dmg is kind of broken

[glacial shuttle]

WFC better than WMF against Namaryuus?

[hot creek]

Yes. Monarch in pvp is overrated.

Let her stick with pve.

[inner zenith]

Thought monarch would be meta

Never used her

[hot creek]

Monarch is still certainly useable. She just has problems landing shots and Amagi's dreaded existence amplifies those problems further.

not to mention she really relies on proccing barrage. and even if you do proc it, well...

[zenith tundra]

monarch timing also doesn't work with centaur to begin with

[hot creek]

Well, It sort of does if you use the Monarch gun.

[zenith tundra]

that's not the 1st choice for her tho

[hot creek]

imo she doesn't necessarily have a 1st choice gun for pvp.

[finite valve]

either waifu or meta

choose one not both

[zenith tundra]

what if ur waifus are meta ijn ships?

[hot creek]

gottem

[finite valve]

that just meta

not waifu

[hot creek]

ohhhhhh 🔥

[safe meteor]

is that new HE CL gun in research better than the old Belgun for vanguard?

[zenith tundra]

yes

u want it on bb 1st tho

[safe meteor]

really?

[zenith tundra]

it's much better then belgun/nepgun

[safe meteor]

so equip to everyone ?

[zenith tundra]

if u have 3 bb backline all 3 should use seattle gun

[safe meteor]

and frontline?

like Noshiro, Belfast

[finite valve]

you just use the old shit from PR 1 on VG

[glacial shuttle]

if I plan to swap Monarch for Centaur, but only got 2 Reppu, should I just give Hellcat to Formi or F6F?

[finite valve]

after you got enough seattle guns then field it for both VG and back line

[zenith tundra]

aren't f6f and hellcat same plane?

[frail orbit]

It is, ye

[finite valve]

maybe he means the vf from FW?

[zenith tundra]

that's f4u

or pirate

[hot creek]

ye just call that one pirate lol

[late cypress]

@zenith tundra this exchange.. can i use any bps i want or only from ships i already finished developing?

[zenith tundra]

any from any ship u have dev 30 already

[finite valve]

you can only scrap bp of ship that reach dev 30

[late cypress]

Shiet

[finite valve]

don't need to fate 5 but dev 30 is a must

[late cypress]

I would spend all izumo ones if i could

[glacial shuttle]

no, I meant Helldiver

[late cypress]

Shieeet

[glacial shuttle]

*Helldiver or F6F for Formi

[zenith tundra]

i would always use fighters on formi for better timing but i didn't play much with her in pvp

[vague token]

i used fighters cause her reload is low

plus pirate combos with her support style of defense on strike

[empty grove]

[vague token]

hmm maybe suruga/amagi/formidable sounds fun for maximum defense xD

[zenith tundra]

i'm finishing leveling my suruga for my amagi fdg suruga def

halfway to level 120

[vague token]

suruga is 108 for me, noshiro 101

long way to go

already stealing wins through sheer durability while ws destroys everything

[finite valve]

not really into the whole chasing after meta

still going to use team liquid with nep

good enough for me

might lvl noshiro in the future

[vague token]

noshiro opens up more options for me

[finite valve]

filthy torp autism

[vague token]

pfft, i want my mgm cas thanks

no eagle cv balti for big deeps

sheffield for big seattle gun crits

or whoever

free bulge xD

[finite valve]

[vague token]

or azuma noshiro

torp memes begone

it is time for gun

[zenith tundra]

too bad the only gun boat really good in pvp is azuma

[vague token]

wastes less dps AND more ehp

if only CA had a damage bonus =/

[zenith tundra]

azuma has not even a dr bonus

[vague token]

i mean losing 15% dr is whatever when you have over 50% more base hp than the average CA

xD

extra thicc

and in some cases up to 100% depending on how glass cannon you get

[empty grove]

Her thicc level increases with the skin too

sanrui never

[finite valve]

imagine we have a CL / CA with a buff cruiser skill like sirius

and JP also to boot

[vague token]

id rather see shark retro first to CB

[zenith tundra]

more cb would be interesting

[vague token]

alaska and shark retros would be perfect CB choices

sharks could get their base pocket battleship skill adjusted to work on all smaller ships

and a new skill to buff their gun

283 ignore armor type maybe

[zenith tundra]

that if devs want to have other cb and not only azuma as her special thing

[vague token]

i mean alaska isnt even a theory boat though, they can have one pr cb and some normal ones

[zenith tundra]

unless they make her a ca like the others for unknown reasons

[vague token]

[keen sparrow]

slack queen

[zenith tundra]

[keen sparrow]

i want using 2 rudder on queen for tank warkai 1st barrage

[zenith tundra]

use rudder badge

[vague token]

use purple armor jk

[zenith tundra]

what does purple armor even do?

[keen sparrow]

[zenith tundra]

i read that thing description once when it was released and then forgot it was a thing

[keen sparrow]

dec dmg from ap 4%

[zenith tundra]

4% lol

now i remember why i forgot about it

[keen sparrow]

nid queen retro buff all HMS fleet 15% eva rate n decase dmg 10%

or add big seven royal

[zenith tundra]

she would definitely needs a barrage. even a bad big seven would be something

[hot creek]

I want a signifigant fleet accuracy buff if anything.

[zenith tundra]

how about they just copy nagato

[frail orbit]

Better makes her into something like a stall or a debufffer, then fix her barrage into something like Monarch splashed aim

[keen sparrow]

copy nagato faction buff, QE,formi,centaur fleet

[zenith tundra]

she is dead weight because her dmg is so low

[frail orbit]

But tbh she's not that much of priority for HMS even if she's a ded weight

The Eagle got it worse anyway

[zenith tundra]

she isn't because of fc combo

without formi how would hms look?

[frail orbit]

FC combo relies on 1 single airstrike of vanguard slowtorpmeme tho

What if the vanguard being Zoomer?

[vague token]

na just nerf nagato buff to be like QE ;)

[zenith tundra]

either cent mon ws or qe ws mona

[frail orbit]

If zoomer then QE another deadweight keks

[vague token]

or, personally, abandon faction buffs

[hot creek]

I used QE, KGV, Centaur b4 formi came. Some ppl used monarch instead of QE

[frail orbit]

@vague token namagi laughs at ye

[keen sparrow]

im using QE,unicorn,warkai

[zenith tundra]

but those are inferior to ws comps

[hot creek]

well back then EN didn't have WSk so

[frail orbit]

Yeah but still
At least HMS has Wakai now

USS . . .

[vague token]

you mean everyone has ws

mix comp

too bad ijn has the best mix comp buffs

[frail orbit]

I personally preferred same faction backline due to national meme

[keen sparrow]

unicorn kai when

[frail orbit]

But well

[vague token]

lot of plane kills lel

[zenith tundra]

is that pvp?

[keen sparrow]

yes

[frail orbit]

Also Namagi buffs are so gud

Need to emulate em

[keen sparrow]

this is last recording at namaryu meta https://youtu.be/X_7ICBqJH10

[frail orbit]

But it's rather a hopeful call rather than a real meta talk tho

[zenith tundra]

sure let's give every faction their amagi and then make a comp with 3 of them

[frail orbit]

Cancer mk4

But well

Better than a disparity of power per faction

[zenith tundra]

rn only uss is not really used in pvp

of the major ones

[frail orbit]

Yeah bkoz of em NOT HAVING a single faction buffer or debuffer archetype

Heck

The only decent DPS there being mostly CVs for em anyway

[zenith tundra]

they have bh and essex only their buffa arent enough

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra BH sucks anyway for her own dmg

Compare her to her Essex oneesan

[zenith tundra]

qe of uss

[frail orbit]

And u got the idea

Yeah, seems fair

Basically a late coming QE of USS

[keen sparrow]

next event fw hope got new uss faction buff ship

[vague token]

good old airstrike negation in bb meta

at least essex has big damage

[hot creek]

Iowa is gonna be a loli and a faction buffer, im calling it

[keen sparrow]

uss nagato

[zenith tundra]

maybe a pr/dr cv will shift the meta hard enough for easex to be useful for dr

[elder crane]

FW is already rerun version so don't hold your breath

Also, idk about pr/dr CV for USN

[frail orbit]

Perhap Iowa but . . .

Problem is

[elder crane]

USN kinda built most of their planned CVs

[frail orbit]

Nowadays they seemed not to bother for USS

[elder crane]

What with winning the war and all

[frail orbit]

Look at fooken HMS Vanguard gonna be released

[zenith tundra]

i mean a cv that would make essex viable for dr not to work with her

[frail orbit]

I'd rather DRed Essex

[elder crane]

Doesn't Essex need USN CV

[frail orbit]

And having her jet version

[zenith tundra]

she needs 4 uss

totally doable with georgia and juneau

[elder crane]

Pretty sure Essex CV synergy is USN only

During battle, increases own Air Power and Anti-Air by 1.5% (5%) per Eagle Union CV/CVL

So yeah

[zenith tundra]

not that

[frail orbit]

Georgie snipe sucks tho . . .

[zenith tundra]

the dr from plane damage

[vague token]

essex gets 5% for herself so it is fine

and she has anti bb mods

[elder crane]

Oh, as in CV meta

Lol no

Essex DR doesn't work on suicide

[vague token]

as a pure dps cv she works fine

[zenith tundra]

that's exactly why u need a dr cv to shift meta to cv

[keen sparrow]

maybe new uss event like suruga n add new uss ship faction buff

[elder crane]

Doesn't work on suicide dmg anyways
And with how CVs work, suicide is like half their dmg

[vague token]

we need a way to promote cv damage without instant killing vgs at the 22 mark

[zenith tundra]

preload airstrike

[vague token]

so the 0 mark instead xD

aurora sirius, gl

[frail orbit]

Or just snipe fighters at the furthest range

To the backliners

[vague token]

if they added third row for cvs

cv could focus 2nd row

aka bb row

[frail orbit]

And they better add Alaska asap

[vague token]

fighters would have more time to aa

[elder crane]

Also glhf trying to shoot anything down for her buff
I doubt you can get many stacks out of that
And any stacks from strikes only affects future strikes due to how CVs work

[frail orbit]

For a vanguard BC

[vague token]

it will buff her flood ticks

[elder crane]

It doesn't

Getting ticks in the middle doesn't buff floods, or for any DoTs in general

[vague token]

that is jank

not that she ever shoots down anything in PvP xD

[elder crane]

DoTs only care about stats of applier on application
Essex flood comes from planes, which freeze CV stats on launch

Well, strike wave itself can shoot down some things, usually

[vague token]

ive never had that happen