pvp

[shy hazel]

[safe meteor]

thankx

so how is Noshiro?

she gonna be useful vanguard in pvp?

[past egret]

@safe meteor

[safe meteor]

alright

guess time to lvl her fast and try out

[shy hazel]

if u alrdy using louis

or ibuki

she optional

other than that shes a good torp meme

[elder crane]

Wait, has it been tested the hololive combo works on normal ships?
Cause the KizAI combo did not work on normal ships

[midnight heron]

oh shit w13 coming

[past egret]

So I did my math

If I full rushed I’d be 28 points ahead of top rusher

Good?

Still have 6/10 matches

[high bay]

dunno i just spent all my matches already

[elder crane]

That's pretty typical around this time

[shell heron]

if there's no movement still. I might do my matches 20 min before next reset

10 if I wanna push my luck

[hoary pasture]

so i did some math

2 + 2 = 2

which means i need exactly 2 ships in my defense fleet to make it strong

[sharp wing]

[past egret]

Praying to god

[hot creek]

Pray harder

[shell heron]

Trashcan AA incoming

[hardy badge]

Do I put my fire control radar on nagato or amagi

also does it replace sg radar or white shell

[shell heron]

The gold FCR?

[hardy badge]

yeah

[shell heron]

I use fcr/sg on amagi

She has a more reliable barrage

Otherwise I just run (badge/rudder)/sg on any other BB

[hardy badge]

the evasion is better than the hit/damage from white shell?

[shell heron]

Any evasion will boost BB eHP by a good amount

Which is good since they have not so amazing accuracy

But hsfcr I prefer on amagi. If you have 3 other IJN ship, her first volley is about 7s

[hardy badge]

ty

[vague token]

tossed bb kaga in dorm, gotta prep for triple torpedo main fleet fun times

not sure what to use for vg

z46 has a torp barrage right?

[forest lake]

[hardy badge]

ryuusei or barracuda on hyuuga

[vague token]

on hyuuga?

only seaplanes

[midnight heron]

seiran over zuiun but its not available on en yet

[elfin summit]

is this thing PvP-relevant? I'm a bit confused due to initial torp fans...

they should hit hard on Heavy

[vague token]

most people dont run torp memes

so it's not a big deal

[elder crane]

Especially as Azuma gets more common, torps get less
Also, it cuts Nagato barrage dmg down to about half of what it does on med and light

so Azuma with VH just shrugs off Nagato barrage

[vague token]

the thing to note is that medium armor backliners are tricky to use it on

especially on bcs

as it means you only get 1 more aux for evasion/hit

it's more flexible on cvs as they can usually run it and rudder

and not lose out on as much damage

since crash damage cant miss and the sheer volume of bombs makes up for their terrible base hits anyways

[elfin summit]

ah, Nagato shrugging makes sense

and what are torp memes?

I'm not familiar much about them

[vague token]

eg full torp vg

like jintsuu/x/ykkz

x could be aurora or ayaya

depending on their target

or noshiro now

[elfin summit]

ah, got it

speaking of which, what about Noshiro pvp-wise? her buffs look quite impressive

[vague token]

imo she's extremely flexible with a general vg offense buff and she brings a bulge to even destroyers

as well as her own durability

[elder crane]

I'm using her and she holds up well even at lv114

which is very impressive

No issues with her sinking before lead Juneau

as rear-most slot

[elfin summit]

cool, want to try her then

[vague token]

ive been using her and suruga since 90 for exp

xD

already ate a loss ;)

[high bay]

is this an undergeared fleet?

[vague token]

yes

120 wskai fleets should push like 13-14k

[smoky elk]

seems intentionally undergeared?

[shell heron]

my WSkai alone is already 5349

[elder crane]

pretty sure their main fleet reaches 15k, yeah

or at least can reach that with some setups

[shell heron]

I don't doubt it. A Nama+WSkai comp should easily hit 15k without oath

if you fully gear them

for 120 and oathed to be 11k, some of them should be not geared

no way to check unless I fight them

[runic berry]

It's a good guy, intentionally removing the gear so you get more XP beating lvl120 ships

[elder crane]

warkai is and Hood are fairly dangerous regardless due to barrage

if you want to do that, you want to set ships helpless without equip

[keen sparrow]

https://youtu.be/AQqdGhGthYM

[finite valve]

is that even a fair comparison when the enemy don't even have fdg tho?

[frail orbit]

Better wait anyway

When enemy fleet used triple oppai of MamagaFred

Also
Bofors>Roomba on Yuki?

[finite valve]

UFO on any DD rest use bofor or stagg

best set up would be 3 of each

[frail orbit]

Fek off, am otw for 6th staag anyway
10/25 keks

[sharp wing]

U need ufo on Junie

rest can do bofors

[frail orbit]

At that vid kota still used ufo tho on yuki

[finite valve]

you don't even have 3 stagg?

[elder crane]

Bofors in PvP

[finite valve]

how late you been in the game?

[frail orbit]

@finite valve 5 there keks

[finite valve]

so use 3 of each?

3 UFO 3 stagg

[elder crane]

113 and staag
Bofors only if literally no staa

[frail orbit]

I see koz #gameplay-help kinda belittles yuki with ufo

[finite valve]

i use 3 BB so all my VG got UFO

ykk can use stagg since she will most likely be last one standing

[sharp wing]

that is if u don't use CA

[finite valve]

rest should use UFO

[sharp wing]

and it's better already use Bofors over staag on DD

if u don't ufo

acc boost is pointless and loss in AA too

[finite valve]

imply AA going to matter in 6 months time

[sharp wing]

Implying we live in fuccing future

[finite valve]

soon TM

[sharp wing]

half year is not that soon

[finite valve]

for me it is

close 1 eye and 1 year is gone

[sharp wing]

sounds like 90 yo

[frail orbit]

And what if zoomer meta shift

Imagine future cancer

[keen sparrow]

my yuki

[sharp wing]

Rudder yuki

[keen sparrow]

i want she every 20s says yukikaze nanoda

[sharp wing]

pretty pointless w/ her skill and low proc rate and diminishing returns of Eva at those values

[ionic magnet]

treat your nanoda better please

[sharp wing]

Put tear on Nanoda

[keen sparrow]

[frail orbit]

No only Jun or Sirius should be with tears anyway

[sharp wing]

You tear girls?

[oblique marsh]

Why was Centaur+Formidable is a much better carrier combo than Centaur+Enty? The idea was to add more damage to an already amazing Enty's Lucky E with Centaur's buff skill.

[frail orbit]

Cent a DPS

Formie slowmeme

[sharp wing]

Cent+Formie has synch

Enty is just solo carrier

[frail orbit]

Imagine Cent's Ryuusei and Formie's Alba hitting vg

In 1 airstrike

[oblique marsh]

Does it really matter with the sync? Ain't Cent's skill has 8 seconds to expire?

[sharp wing]

not that synch...

[frail orbit]

The point is to make Cent's torp hitting vg

With Formie za warudo holding vg

Remember that cent has 4 torp squad

2 2 4

[sharp wing]

hms double BB + Cent still better combo, than Enty + Cent anyway

Enty is just random flex spot u stick somewhere, outside Helena there no combos much

[frail orbit]

Well duh cant rely on E anymore unless with Essex 818 or Cent keks

Also powercreep

[sharp wing]

Helena Siri Aurora reset memes

[frail orbit]

[oblique marsh]

I'm currently using WarKai+Cent+Formi. Trying to convince myself that it's a good combo.

[shell heron]

I want to prep a true torp meme

now that Noshiro can buff Buki too

[sharp wing]

buki noshiro

[keen sparrow]

ibuki noshiro jintsu/nanoda

[sharp wing]

[frail orbit]

@keen sparrow no jun no tears no heal

[keen sparrow]

yolo

[sharp wing]

full meme

double dildo

torp it till you drop it

[shell heron]

who needs healing when you erase frontlines

[sharp wing]

or till u get dropped

[oblique marsh]

Torp fleet

[frail orbit]

Which is the idea with Siri on KFC/QFC

Since her being AA oriented then her place for Jun replacement on QFC

Inb4 siri tears

[sharp wing]

need that WC archive fast for Siri lewd2D

and swiftsure

sheff fangirl

[inner zenith]

owo

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

That Taihou skin

Take my soul

[frail orbit]

Incumming Namahoe

[empty grove]

First time i've been excited for something on this game

[sharp wing]

wut

[empty grove]

Hang on

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

Well, idk, dress kiinda ok too

[empty grove]

I like the expressions

[sharp wing]

scary possessive yan

every ship of this guy has L2D

Shiyo shall be shamed

Not even regular skins

[ionic magnet]

looks good

[empty grove]

Nah

[ionic magnet]

but sadly its taihou

[empty grove]

Didn't he do one Lulu skin non L2D?

[sharp wing]

well, there not only L2D

[empty grove]

That Schoolgirl one

[sharp wing]

but every ship has at least 1 L2D

[empty grove]

Nah

Surcouf doesn't have one

[sharp wing]

that ugly skin not l2d?

[empty grove]

It doesn't exist

[sharp wing]

I see what you did there

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

Might as well not

[ripe latch]

enemy amagi, 9 misses , fuk degen game

[forest lake]

Nice pfp, mind DMing?

[ripe latch]

pay to win

[sharp wing]

You dun have mAmagi by any chance

DW rerun is due, your suffering shall be short

~~But not less painful ~~

[meager dawn]

DW?

[cinder crater]

Think he meant CE but typed both wrong

[meager dawn]

[ripe latch]

build maki again

[true vale]

Question chad, does Essex' Absolute Evasion (blue skill) count Essex herself in? Or do I need 4 more USS ships in the fleet for it to run?

Wondering whether I can drop out Monty for something that's better suited for pvp, like a Bel or YKK

[ripe latch]

see essex - free points

[forest lake]

[true vale]

I'm currently kinda rolling USS Casino with Enty Essex Warkai - Monty Balti Sandykai, but I feel like Monty doesn't really belong in there. Hence the question whether I can swap her out for something more reliable.

[ripe latch]

port?

[true vale]

And yes, I know Juneau is an option, but she's only 80, so I'm still trying to level her proper.

Porty could be an option. She's 110-ish for me.

[ripe latch]

pref jun balt sandy

[true vale]

Good Base AA, good def buff.. 🤔

[ripe latch]

but any torp team kill you

[true vale]

Probably. Oh well.

I feel like there's always a choice to avoid Ayaya fleets altogether, since they're not all too popular.

[ripe latch]

on rush only ayaya fleets

[true vale]

Mm. Maybe I'm just too low of a rank, thanks to recovery not working with my sleep schedule, so on late shifts I miss like 5 exercises.

[hardy badge]

ryuusei or barracuda on hiryuu*?

[forest lake]

Preference

[meager dawn]

Ryuusei for rng fiesta

[hot creek]

cuda. ryuusei is just full meme at this point.

[shy hazel]

1pc

[hot creek]

Oh wow, that was fast.

Who2Ring

I'll probably ring Georgia and attempt to use her in pvp lol.

Noobies will be intimidated by the cool looking orbital barrage

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

[ashen lion]

Meh

[shy hazel]

gascon looks cooler tho

lol

[hot creek]

nah

[forest lake]

[past egret]

Georgia Orbital barrage + Gascogne French barrage + Nagato IJN Cancer Barrage = max intimidation

[true vale]

Hm, quad gold or rainbow quint magnitorps for sandykai in an offensively oriented fleet?

Assuming I have both +10'd

Also assuming she's the only torp source and no buffs.

[runic sorrel]

I decided to use Portland Kai in pvp

Pretty good so far

[true vale]

After weighing my options, I have her on my USS fleet too. What gear are you using her with?

[ionic magnet]

rainbow @true vale

[true vale]

Cheers.

[ionic magnet]

where are your ykkz and juneau tho

[true vale]

I don't have them leveled :l

[ionic magnet]

[runic sorrel]

[true vale]

The most viable option I have is facerolling with USS while Juneau is getting ripped.

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

no other better rainbow than buki

[ripe latch]

still on top40

[waxen lion]

o hey free ring

[river crest]

yeah nice free ring... I'm thinking of either warspite or centaur to oath.... for min maxing my PvP line up

[sharp wing]

Disgusting stat oath

[sharp wing]

Warm up before pvp

[ripe latch]

when u have 10/10 before new exer

[sharp wing]

Buki things as usual

[hot creek]

Attack a guy ranked below me but still got base points

[ripe latch]

today say torp team is dead , but see 3 fleets with ayaya

[lean geode]

Is there a way to calculate how fast my carriers air strikes will take off

Wanna know if my enty will go before my formi if I give her a ryusei

[hot creek]

https://thebombzen.com/azur-lane/airstrike-reload.html

[lean geode]

I tested in pve and they’re very close

first is formi second is enty

Is this ideal?

[ionic magnet]

nope its too close

ryuusei wont reliably hit

[lean geode]

should I just keep ryusei on formi then?

[ionic magnet]

well 2 ryuuseis are

why enty anyways

just use cent

[lean geode]

I don’t have centaur

[ionic magnet]

you can just use cuda on enty then

p sure thats better than 2 ryuuseis

[lean geode]

I’m not using two ryuseis

I have one ryusei

[ionic magnet]

ryuusei on formi is not that good cos her slow is not enough to make it reliably hit VGs

yea just use 2 cudas

[elder crane]

Ryuusei on Formi is questionable even with Centaur applying a slow
So, with Enty, it's just worse for Ryuus on Formi

if you're relying on Enty bombs to deal damage with Formi, the timing req isn't that tight, Formi ~0.5 s after Enty is fine

[ionic magnet]

if you really want ryuusei on enty you can always use skyrocket

[lean geode]

I think my issue right now is that formi is oathed and enty is not

[ionic magnet]

nah it wont solve the reload issue

[vague token]

just slam a billion crash damage with cuda on formi

combined with her barrage

much more fun

[ripe latch]

w13 incoming on en?

[vague token]

yes

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/4d4485a7b56127b7b52fe79726496785

triple cv lol

[glacial shuttle]

WFC better than WMF?

been losing sometimes against Entys

or Namaryuus

[vague token]

wfc can run into lucky e, probably need to change the gun

[ionic magnet]

if you use the normal cuda/triple 381 setup with stall VG you should be fine

@glacial shuttle

[glacial shuttle]

Triple 381 on both Warkai and Monarch?

[ionic magnet]

no on wfc

warkai

if youre running 2 or more BBs just use the AP gun on warkai

[lean geode]

[midnight heron]

just had some nakaga dodge both warspite barrage wat hax is dis

[granite flame]

very sad

lost a game and wasnt paying attention

still have 5 points above top rusher

zzzz

had like 18 tho

[shy hazel]

did someone alrdy

farm georgia here

tell me the cheapest way to farm it

[vague token]

isnt it just nevada/oklahoma?

plus whoever?

xD

[shy hazel]

doesnt that uss teacher ho

has exp up

for carriers

[vague token]

oh yeah langley

dunno if that's cheaper

[shy hazel]

in thinking lb0 langley sara lexi

problem is how to get mvp on any of the 3

[vague token]

RNGer would be cheaper

[shy hazel]

and a vg that will survive shit

[vague token]

just use cv buff ships

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

ardent boosts cv damage

[shy hazel]

lets see

problem is

my ardent is mlb

not oil wise

[vague token]

rip

[shy hazel]

technically phx lb0 should survive alot of 7-2

[vague token]

yeah

[empty grove]

Cheapest is probs some shit like

Ranger/0LB langley

[shy hazel]

mmm

done with 4 ships

georgia fdg left

fdg is oil disgusting so ill make that bitch last

[lean geode]

I did Georgia with Langley kai, vestal, and enty mobbing W12

very easy and fast

[coral wren]

I think I'm gonna try HMS KWQ soon.

Which order should I have those three in anyway?

[shy hazel]

kwq?

george spite elizabeth?

u might as well dump qe for monarch

thing is

george will always be mid

u can put the other 2 in whatever side

[coral wren]

Monarch isn't going to be ready for a while, so Liz gets her slot.

[vague token]

just use amagi instead ;)))))

[sharp wing]

ay

just run namagi warkai and dun bother

my weird setup still works fine

Baka already 119

[vague token]

ill be running suruga/amagi/baka eventually

triple torp

[forest lake]

[vague token]

expecting 120 suruga torps to hit for 300 like amagi

[sharp wing]

they miss tho

[vague token]

they hit backline for me

[sharp wing]

they miss backline equally

[vague token]

sounds like they're targeting vanguard?

[sharp wing]

they target main, but they "Miss"

Tho every amagi torp kill bring joy to your heart

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

Kanao get sone help bruh

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

@forest lake nice suruga pfp anyway

[forest lake]

[ripe latch]

kaga bb suruga amagi

[zenith tundra]

that's some dmg

dev 28 fdg with 457

[charred sable]

Meanwhile I just finished oathing mine. Still got 100 more affection to grind, then I can start grinding Azuma

[sharp wing]

She has hard time holding those oppais in

[frail orbit]

Perhaps bigger than GZ and Hoe?

[sharp wing]

Zara

They added Roon costume lines

Was wondering why there were no "granting sweet release" on costume anymore

🚮

waiting till FdG gets powercreeped before EN dev 30

inb4 Alaska and Iowa powercreep My Wife and Mommy

[frail orbit]

Holo here atm?

Formie better off with Heccdaber DBs or any fighter with bombs when combined with Centaur?

Less AA coverage yes, but not even her having any decent amount of fighter/DB squad to begin with smhw . . .

Am usually ran VF-17 on her tbh so usually no need for a bacon on her xD

[ionic magnet]

formi first slot is for adjusting timing yea
so in general you want fighter if your cent uses cuda
and heccdiver if your cent has ryuusei

[grim ember]

Is Ibuki+Noshiro viable or just a meme

[forest lake]

I'll be using that once I have Buki leveled

[sharp wing]

If u want to drop either nanoda or junie....

junie nanoda buki

[sharp wing]

OwO we finally get her retro

[inner zenith]

just fought someone using fdg in pvp. her barrage never touches my back line..

[sharp wing]

it's for vg harassing

secondary gun barrage

Why FdG needs that rainbow gun

[inner zenith]

oh i c

[vague token]

i saw a reddit thing showing azuma/noshiro/ibuki lol

just kill the enemy backline, who needs juneau

[inner zenith]

I do

bless the heals

[ripe latch]

https://i.redd.it/90ar83nu86a41.png

trash or not?

[hot creek]

torps on offense will never not be meem

Unless they release something bullshit like mag torps 3.0 that garuantee hitting.

[vague token]

i would like aimed torpedos

like sub ones

[ripe latch]

torp boys

[vague token]

with less damage then mag torps

i guess at that point they're just guns that use torp stat

xD

give em volley time and stuff

[sharp wing]

At that point just KGV barrage

torpedo shells

CN be flexing their double HSFCR

Is that Ap gun on Buki lol

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

[inner zenith]

saw torps

thought EZ

:v

[sharp wing]

warkai crit 3.3k on foxes

[finite valve]

all JP bias just become a reality

all JP pvp

[past egret]

Despite having about a 23 point lead on top rusher, I lost 2 games in the span of 2 days

[finite valve]

[past egret]

Now 15 points behind top rusher

This pvp system is great

[sharp wing]

Where is JP JB pvp

[hot creek]

bring Akashi for AA

[sharp wing]

Be a rusher, dun lose matches

[hot creek]

Has anyone ever actually suggested mock battles between friends in suggestions or game feedback?

[inner zenith]

yes

[hot creek]

maybe we need to remind the devs again. Mass brigade

[finite valve]

devs care about pvp in a pve game

[knotty parcel]

@ripe latch not trash

it's the new pvp meta

[finite valve]

maybe once in a blue moon

[knotty parcel]

azuma ibuki noshiro amagi nagato hiryuu

[uncut parcel]

After a few resets I decided enough is enough and equipped Nagato with Hoodgun

holy shit her proc rate went 104502509%

She was using monarch gun before lol

Finally beat that namaryuu fleet

[ripe latch]

@knotty parcel but if ibuki replace to ayaya?

devs care about pvp in a pve game

[sharp wing]

aya is meme lul

[knotty parcel]

Use ibuki

[sharp wing]

buki is legit ship

[uncut parcel]

Can FdG at least kill the Namaryuu fleet setups
I hope it does

[sharp wing]

it reinforces namagi

[uncut parcel]

I only battle namaryuu fleets as last resort

[sharp wing]

use warkai

[uncut parcel]

As in like all 4 fleets are namaryuu and I have no more resets

Yea I use warkai

[ripe latch]

when u farm fdg , but meta changed

[uncut parcel]

Well actually I'll try Azuma

If it does something to the namaryuu meta

[sharp wing]

Waiting for FdG to get powercreeped before dev 30 anyway

[ripe latch]

[uncut parcel]

Since it's literally a frontline BB

[sharp wing]

Azuma works best with Namagi

Nagato buffs

[past egret]

@sharp wing powercreeped by yamato

or Iowa

or worse

[uncut parcel]

I don't have Amagi sadly

[sharp wing]

Alaska and Iowa powercreep Azuma and FdG

[uncut parcel]

But I have Nagato

[sharp wing]

CE rerun soon anyway

[past egret]

Whoa there sag, you’re talking about American ships power creeping a IJN biased game

[uncut parcel]

Announced?

[past egret]

CE?

[uncut parcel]

Since I actually want a CE rerun lol

[past egret]

Crimson Echos ?

Oh god

[uncut parcel]

Yea

[sharp wing]

yes

[past egret]

Bringing back Amagi

[sharp wing]

it about a year

[past egret]

Yes that’s what we want

[uncut parcel]

Well there's still WC and FW

Who knows

[sharp wing]

no WC and FW

[past egret]

FW

[sharp wing]

we already had rerun

[uncut parcel]

We didn't have a FW rerun tho

[sharp wing]

we had rerun versions

[past egret]

@sharp wing of Alaska and Iowa power creeped Azuma and FDG yamato and Mushashi would be near

[uncut parcel]

FW?

[sharp wing]

for both

yes

[past egret]

If*

[sharp wing]

fw and wc

next is archive

unless they want add 3rd round of ships in fw

which i doubt

[ripe latch]

[uncut parcel]

I'd want Tone and Chikuma for CE's rerun

[sharp wing]

Akagi BC

[uncut parcel]

Inb4 a meta changer

[past egret]

[sharp wing]

whew

[uncut parcel]

Namagi turns to Nakagi

[sharp wing]

Namakagi

[hot creek]

players getting baited hard thinking noshiro is some sort of second coming. even thinking they can replace Juneausus or Yukikaze

[uncut parcel]

Lmao Aya / Jintsuu / Noshiro torp memes

I wanna try that soon

Wait.. if I equip ryuuhou with the fastest plane gears

She might change PvP a little?

She literally spike heals

[ripe latch]

heal on pvp

[sharp wing]

replace aya w/ Nanoda and it might be somewhat decent

[shell heron]

Noshiro/buki/nanoda torp meme

[finite valve]

if jintsu stack with noshiro might just buki jintsu noshiro for full torp meme

[sharp wing]

jintsu is unique buff

so stacks with everything

even w/ Naka/Sendai

[vague token]

sendai and naka's dont stack of course

naka retro when

[sharp wing]

sendai and naka have same skill

Jintsu unique only

that's why i say Naka/Sendai, more than 1 is pointless

[vague token]

hopefully naka doesnt get flare

xD

[sharp wing]

nah

Naka good girl

[hot creek]

tfw using Azuma to unlock Ibuki.

and Fdg to unlock Gasgone

[sharp wing]

Oil compactors

[ripe latch]

|| with jintsu and sendai naka says what iam do here ? ||

[sharp wing]

Jintsu and Sendai be working at base, while Naka with commander on a date

She is a bit scary, when she is holding out that dildo torp

[coral wren]

Belfast good?

[sharp wing]

Bel is always good

[knotty parcel]

@uncut parcel we 100% gettin tosa as SSR that looks like kaga and an akagi alt bb

[sharp wing]

akagi will be BC

she is amagi sister

[ionic magnet]

jesus we have enough akagis already

[sharp wing]

Kaga is Tosa class BB so

Also who confirmed this?

cause I don't really see we getting 2 more bb/bc

[empty grove]

Vanguard akagi when

[sharp wing]

[coral wren]

I doubt I've gone up against any properly constructed meta fleets yet, but HMS KWQ seems to be working pretty well so far.

[hot creek]

non-carrier comp? Spicy.

[abstract cypress]

still waiting for other nation got buffed

[vague token]

nothing like stealing wins off of full 120

when you have 100 noshiro and 105 suruga

xD

[ionic magnet]

list so dead

[vague token]

did my 5 like 50 minutes ago

cause ded

[ionic magnet]

my jun with torp bulge+noshiro buff is not dying

[vague token]

i took bulge off cause of sheffield/noshiro buff lol

[shell heron]

Junie is the new Nanoda

[forest lake]

Holy shit

Just beat a MFC comp with full 120s with underleveled NagaSurugaHiryuu, Noshi Jun Ykkz

[ionic magnet]

stop bullying FC comps

[vague token]

i beat a namagi ws comp with mine xD

suruga durability is no joke

[midnight heron]

inb4 its just rng

[hasty musk]

Smb has new guide for pvp?

[midnight heron]

wat if theres no guide

[smoky elk]

then waifu>meta

[ionic magnet]

just check pins and the outdated tierlist

[hasty musk]

There was

i just lost a link

[formal prism]

would you say noshiro is a soft counter to torp fleets

[hot creek]

"soft counter"? yeah i'd roll with that.

[formal prism]

i mean she does mitigate that bit of torp damage that my fleet keeps fucking running into for no reason

[shy hazel]

no counter is better than ykkz jun

universal counter

[sharp wing]

give ppl guide/tierlist or they won't be able to even go poop without

[high bay]

i got to raise jun and ykkz sometime

those defence fleets are getting deadly

[shy hazel]

the current tierlist still stays true

just do what

add noshiro and suruga

which arent that really relevant in meta

[coral wren]

Nanoda is vital for all fleets. She's probably the best ship in the game.

I wanna say that Noshiro, Suruga, and Ryuuhou are going to be relevant for defensive fleets.

[sharp wing]

ryuu has no place

At least Tony kinda redeemed himself after Cent with Ryuuhou

[elder crane]

Normal healers in PvP

Noshiro is great
I'm winning torp trades with non-Noshiro torpmemes with a stall setup
It's hilarious

[sharp wing]

Buki already winning everything

might try some buki+noshiro setup

[shy hazel]

4/6

its murican backline now

is there a map with no suicide ships gain

[sharp wing]

ch12

take langley ranger and something and go farm

[meager dawn]

go to w12 just to have all cargo nodes at the start

[shy hazel]

ill crunch on numbers later

lets see

backline can get 6.5k per red node with mvp

6k on 2 star

problem is oil

full mlb backline and one mlb front

39 oil

per run

31 runs

6355 oil only

not bad

assuming 5 attacks per run

for 1m

[elder crane]

If you pick the right ships, you can even 2 real ships + one-0lb backline

Probably not with KMS though

[sharp wing]

ch13 is here boiz

[past egret]

AMERICA

FUCK YA

[ripe latch]

[sharp wing]

fucc america ya

[coral wren]

meme cv

meme eagle flag

[sharp wing]

memerica

[ripe latch]

bunker usable on pve or pvp?

[knotty parcel]

pve

not as good as the top carriers

but still usable obv

[ripe latch]

[ripe latch]

[frail orbit]

[fair prism]

yall whats a good susbstitute for saratoga retro

i have her with essex and enty

and im looking for another american CV to replace saratoga

[blazing scroll]

You can use bunker hill when she comes out

[sharp wing]

FC def is shittier than foxes

[fair prism]

who is FC?

[hot creek]

Dang I thought Independence was the one at ch 13. Now im sad.

Formidable Centaur

[ripe latch]

enty essex cent

best def

[vague token]

sara is still pretty strong as long as she isnt being blind with her gun and torpedo barrage

[knotty parcel]

Independence will come with shangri-la

not bunker hill

[past egret]

@ripe latch I fought that guy yesterday

Graf Tirp Bisko Beat his dev 10 fdg tirp Bisko

FDG pre dev 20 is just

[ripe latch]

2 owari da = rip

[past egret]

[ripe latch]

azuma usable dev on 15 or 20?

59% azuma, fck this farm

[finite valve]

20 is okish

25 for best result

[coral wren]

all oathed pvp meta defence fleets why do these people exist

[ripe latch]

bec meta can change?

[sharp wing]

azuma is 15

[fair prism]

what dev level for fdg

[sharp wing]

max

[ripe latch]

f for all ppl who rush farm her

[sharp wing]

rushing FdG is most pointless thing u could do in PR2

[ripe latch]

this guy disagree

[ionic magnet]

lood skin not pointless

[sharp wing]

Those eye

[proper thistle]

So I need to get to like rank 1k to pick up those rewards I have enough points for
Any tips for getting there since I keep getting knocked back down to like 2k by the time I have tries
My def is obviously weak

Desperately need a purin for that stupid dawning frame

And PvP is my only hope

[knotty parcel]

you space out your exercises

till someone has gotten to a better rank

[proper thistle]

I hit someone that was at 88 earlier. But it hardly seemed to boost me

How's that work

[ionic magnet]

def has nothing to do with your score

never go below 5 charges

only fight when someone moves in your list

[knotty parcel]

you gain more rank points based on the difference of rank between the guy you beat and yours

[proper thistle]

No but doesn't losing def drop me in rank?

Or did I not follow

[knotty parcel]

so you don't attack people and you wait for them to attack till they have a better rank and yours go down

[karmic forum]

It doesn't affect anything

[knotty parcel]

so you can beat them and gain more rank

[proper thistle]

I see

So this is the sandbagging concept

?

[karmic forum]

The only uses for defence is being annoying and gatekeeping players with weaker fleets.

[proper thistle]

Can confirm I often get cucked by defenses

[knotty parcel]

you have a boost of 20% when you attakc someone btw

so oathing isn't useful

[proper thistle]

I don't oath for an edge in PvP lol

Just incidental

[knotty parcel]

didn't say that

just said that so you'd know

[proper thistle]

Ah well cheers

So the idea is wait as long as possible

And attack people that hopped up in rank

Also

don't fall below 5 attacks

Anyone care to elaborate

[ionic magnet]

game doesnt update the list unless you relog btw

[proper thistle]

Ye

I remember that tidbit

[ionic magnet]

pvp pts are based on the score difference between you and your opponent

[proper thistle]

People say to relog before pvp

[ionic magnet]

so you want to maximize that difference

hence never go below 5 charges

until youre ready to rush

[proper thistle]

So that I always have an opportunity to hit some with a large diff?

[hot creek]

Try rushing next reset (in approx 3hr)

if the top 1k reward is all you need

im sure you can reach it.

[ionic magnet]

just keep in mind when you rush you lose pts in the long run and p much impossible to climb back

so yea just rush when youre confident you can reach the next tier

[ripe latch]

kgv still on pvp

[vague token]

kgv will be strong for a while

bonus vs ijn after all

solid stats

useful gun skill + barrage

[proper thistle]

I mean I don't have a lot of options for my PvP team so is what it is. Have a centaur to replace hood when she levels up more

[ripe latch]

but kgv its free points

[proper thistle]

Don't think I have ever not rushed

So likely screwed anyway

[ripe latch]

[zenith epoch]

hi, this is my vanguard equipment, the ships are belfast, jintsuu and yukikaze. Any suggestions for improvement or use better ships in general? (My juneau isn't high enough level :() https://imgur.com/a/gep12ez

[proper thistle]

Just gonna try to hit 1k

[ionic magnet]

kgv is fine
only hms BB better than her is warkai

[hot creek]

@zenith epoch use magtorps if possible, and max out that pearl. Also, might want to consider using boiler over toolkit.

[zenith epoch]

boiler for all of them?

and for magtorps do i change it to quin or quad?

[ripe latch]

boiler on nanoda

[karmic forum]

Quad on belfast probably

[zenith epoch]

i see, are there any benefits using the quin in any scenario

[ionic magnet]

rainbow quint > gold quad > gold quint

in general

[zenith epoch]

i copy

[karmic forum]

Quint is generally preferred but you only have two of them max

Although if your ship doesn't deal much torp damage and/or dies early then use the quad instead.

[ripe latch]

[ionic magnet]

quint vs quad boils down to if your ship can live til 2nd torp wave

[karmic forum]

Yukikaze is a perfect quint user

Juneau should have quads

Your flex is usually your main tank so they will probably die before they get the second wave of quints

[zenith epoch]

ah the highest boiler i have is only lv6

😦

[frail orbit]

https://youtu.be/xo8tAlI0JGI btw, anyone has watched this? Aint the extra efficiency kinda useless w/o surface DPS tho

[sharp wing]

heccdiver on zep still do more damage, than buffed stuka, so...

messers have one of lowest crash damage and don't do bait, cause slow

2.5 times less crash damage, than regular fighter you use

[vague token]

also note that 100 pound bombs are like 20% less base hit rate than 2k bombs

[ionic magnet]

how the hell did fdg hit for 6.3k

[vague token]

small bombs have a smaller aoe (less chance to hit), do less damage, and have lower hit rate xD

[sharp wing]

rainbow gun

[vague token]

because big brain balance

[frail orbit]

🏳️‍🌈 gun

[vague token]

the penalty is worse in pvp too

[sharp wing]

gaygun

[frail orbit]

Also aint GZ already having Sara-like efficiency w/o her efficiency buff tho

And about the buff, aint she already getting Bisco's

[vague token]

except that even with the efficiency boost, it's still weaker than heccdiver

[frail orbit]

@vague token that's it

Don't really need the effi boost

Since w/o it she already has the same effi as Sara non kai lel

[vague token]

i mean sara without retro is pretty meh tier

[sharp wing]

what sara has to do with it anyway

[frail orbit]

Same slotting

Also same effi pre retro

[sharp wing]

RNGer has better eff than zepp

[frail orbit]

1 fighter slot 2 db slot

RNGer is well RNGer tho

[sharp wing]

sara pre retro is trash tho

same as zepp

[frail orbit]

Not to say it's optimal but . . .
Aint it just better to slap heccdabber and any fighter with bombs keks

That's the point

[vague token]

oh, yeah

[sharp wing]

That's what I said from start....

[vague token]

i doubt we'll ever get anything better than heccdiver

unless it's like rainbow heccdiver

xD

[sharp wing]

german planes w/ buff worse than normal planes

[frail orbit]

Still waiting for OP GOLD DIVEBOMBA

[sharp wing]

We were supposed to get BETTER heccdiver

[vague token]

in order for stuka to be stronger than heccdiver, it would need like 40% more damage

[sharp wing]

as McCluscky

But it failed

[frail orbit]

@sharp wing remember, German engineering sucks

@sharp wing McClusky just a glorified old dud

[sharp wing]

McCluscky faield cause of 100 bombs

[vague token]

also no guns for w/e reason

[sharp wing]

if it had 500 bombs, it would be gold heccdiver

it has legit t0 ammo

[frail orbit]

Problem is

If gold heccdabber

[vague token]

why does it have 0 aa guns xD

[sharp wing]

they are irrelevant

[frail orbit]

There's no noticeable squad that wields heccdabber

[vague token]

it's like the only plane lol

[frail orbit]

IRL

Like how

[sharp wing]

heccdiver wasn't GOOD plane IRL in the 1st palce

lmao

[vague token]

everyone hated it

[frail orbit]

Well

Son of a B11ch

2nd class

[sharp wing]

It is just purple plane...

[vague token]

hmm, how does the dauntless buff work anyways

does it only buff the planes?

or does it buff the ship

[sharp wing]

It was biggest fail anyway

[vague token]

i mean you could put it on shibuki and amp her barrage damage on cvs by 5%

xD

[frail orbit]

Should have 500 lbs twin bomb anyway

But instead

100lbs

[sharp wing]

but he barrage launch skill planes

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

i mean that's why it's too vague

on the description

[sharp wing]

well, it's not gold bara, it's gold blue plane

the one w/ 2k + 2x100

Dauntless

best blue plane for starters

[vague token]

i should go ask in alec see if anyone knows how the buff works

xD

[sharp wing]

Need to look in code

[vague token]

oh no got dumped under newer players xD

[vague token]

someone suggested ap dive bomber

which is a good idea

if we had it

(shibuki)

[sharp wing]

it would be only worth if you could synch it w/ something

and still too much rng

like it COULD work on like Ark

[vague token]

i mean it's easier to use it with fast shellers

[sharp wing]

break before torps hit

[vague token]

armor break only works on guns though

[sharp wing]

this one is universal

so not sure

[vague token]

the armor break status is

eg works on any armor type

not the actual effect

[frail orbit]

@vague token u meant barracuda divebombern

*?

[sharp wing]

then it's totally useless

[frail orbit]

Barracuda divebomber is AP

But

[vague token]

i mean it'd work with like

kgv

[frail orbit]

Only 1600 . . .

No twin 500

[vague token]

although she has pretty good reload

[sharp wing]

it's used for skill

she launches at 20+ sec

cause delay

[vague token]

18.23

so with the delay it hits around 20-21?

[sharp wing]

skill delays plane

[vague token]

that's workable

[sharp wing]

not worth to drop heccdiver damage

[vague token]

all 80% efficiency of it

xD

[sharp wing]

more than 2.5 times less damage still

[vague token]

yes, from her 220 aviation

woo

[sharp wing]

for 24% chance to proc

for bonus few % on shelling

[vague token]

i mean the more bbs you have the more useful that is ;)

oh she gets two dives

so you get two rolls

[sharp wing]

it's pretty useless if it doesn't proc

[vague token]

42% chance on average ;)

[sharp wing]

And you win nothing cause dumb heccdivers damage

probably lose

[vague token]

hey now, my triple bbs win 8% more damage

;)))

definitely the best use of her no damage aviation stat xD

[sharp wing]

where you even gonna run her w/ 3 BBs in the 1st palce...

[vague token]

it's more of thought experiment, not a usability thing xD

[sharp wing]

wiki apparently removed skin switch on ship general page

only left retro skins

weird move

[vague token]

that's so weird

[sharp wing]

now have to go gallery

[hot creek]

lmao that torp fleet in the video above isn't even using mags

might as well be a free win.

[smoky elk]

non-mag torps has considerably higher dmg per hit, if it hits

[hot creek]

yeah sure but I dont really need to explain why we use mag torps here, do I?

[smoky elk]

u dont need to explain

because things like this, better experience against them yourself

[keen sparrow]

we nid mcclusky rebuff add 500lb bomb or buff after launch incrase whole fleet dmg 5% to all

[sharp wing]

We need gold heccdiver, not gold Dauntless, that's all

[frail orbit]

@sharp wing we already got gold barra

[smoky elk]

[frail orbit]