pvp

[sharp wing]

yeah, evne more

[hoary pasture]

id say yeah, that is pretty similar to fdg then

[sharp wing]

spam cube short comms

or any short comm s to refresh

[meager dawn]

Going to save up some coobs since I probably spent too much than I should've

[sharp wing]

i never have spare coobs for research

[hoary pasture]

it's ok lol, polaris gonna be our salvation

[sharp wing]

I'm more worried about CE rerun

[meager dawn]

CE rerun when

[sharp wing]

after new year supposed to be

[meager dawn]

Why wont they rerun it in CN/JP so we can get it

[sharp wing]

it will be global for all most likely

[hoary pasture]

did you miss amagi for CE?

[sharp wing]

unless En cucced

no

I never missed any ship

[hoary pasture]

y worried then

[sharp wing]

new ships will be hard to get

[meager dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/636426594101100574/image0.png

Probably missed her

[hoary pasture]

[sharp wing]

U missed her?

[hoary pasture]

[sharp wing]

sad life

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

48% for azuma exp =D

[sharp wing]

second?

[shy hazel]

kiro farms harder than me

i cant believe it

[ashen lion]

[vague token]

2nd yeah

vg part

[shy hazel]

what

is that your 3rd build

[vague token]

wut, 1st one

you think i farm that hard lol?

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

[midnight heron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/ejtdgq/hood_sneaks_behind_enemys_line/ imagine dis in pvp

[sharp wing]

Devs finally had some pity and demoted Hood to VG

basically promoting her

[midnight heron]

makes me wonder how her barrage interacts from dat position

[sharp wing]

reverse ofc

or it becomes targeted

Or it becomes vg type shots fired barrage

so she equips cb/ca guns

[hard trail]

Hi I had seen some clip, some one use 3 CV to fight Nagato/Amagi/FDG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZspokW_Bo

He try to fight 3 time and win all, so should I build CV team to counter Nagato/Amagi/FDG in near future?

[meager dawn]

Probably not, and 3 fights is too small to say that it's going to consistently win against it

I do wanna try it tho

[forest lake]

Well IJN notably has shit AA

And HMS stuff are best for attacks in general

So

[hard trail]

So? I should focus on war sprite (retro) to counter?

[forest lake]

You can do WarKai Formi Centaur ye

Just don't rely on it too much to the point where you just attack and go afk

[meager dawn]

Just realized that guy has both fdg and azuma at dev30

[forest lake]

JP has it since long ago

CN too

[hard trail]

Still didn't got Formi Centaur (; w 😉 but I want to swap to Enterprise (LOL)

[forest lake]

Madlads already Dev30 since 2 months ago I believe

[meager dawn]

[forest lake]

You can post your dock here so we can make a fleet if you want

[hard trail]

Thank I'm just come back to play this game just before Warspite retro, after I stop play about 3-4 month so I miss a lot (include Sandy retro) due to work over sea ;w;

Wait a min

[forest lake]

WarKai is definitely worth

I assume you have Nagato and Amagi so just throw them in with WarKai

Juneau Ykkz +1 is best for frontline in general
You can use Noshiro from this event until you get Azuma Dev25

[hard trail]

This is my current team

my dock

[forest lake]

WarKai for Suruga and Noshiro for Eldridge

And you're good

[hard trail]

Thank

[forest lake]

If you wanna fuck people with Defense fleet then Hiryuu over WarKai
Once you get Azuma to Dev25 you can replace Noshi if you want

You can use Jintsuu for the time being since Noshi is underleveled

[hard trail]

I not even finish my roon yet (LOL) she is dev 27 right now, I plan to finish her first

[forest lake]

Ah ok no need to rush
Noshi is still solid pretty sure

[hard trail]

Suruga isn't good?
I mean her both skill seem good though, or war sprite just too good?

[forest lake]

Idk
Really lacks damage

WarKai just shreds stuff on attack

[hard trail]

I will try to max them both and see which work better then XD
Thank so much

[forest lake]

[coral wren]

[ripe latch]

[elder crane]

FC-comps I think just end up being a Namagi-alternative for ppl who don't have one of those two
It's not really any lower-investment
At least in current nonAzuma nonFdG non457 environment, Hiryuu FC works well enough

[past egret]

Hey look that’s my fleet but better

How much of a difference is dev 30 Roon over dev 25?

[elder crane]

A not-insignificant amount of dmg output

No diff in survivability

[vague token]

25 is where all prs get their last hp and evasion boost

bbs get mgm+1 if they have +2

and vgs get efficiency

at 30

[elder crane]

So, I was looking at code, and I found something interesting
I never noticed before that Amagi's straight shots and torps are all in the same location in the weapon_properties file, but her aimed shots are in a different part of the file, after the entries for the rest of the CE ships
This supports my hypothesis that Amagi barrage was actually upgraded when devs nerfed her other skills

[vague token]

lol

dont forget how many fixes it had

[inner zenith]

What’s the best defense fleet

[ionic magnet]

torp namaryuu/namaspite

but not the 15k+ fp vgs ofc

[vague token]

personally i feel like noshiro/ibuki/juneau will be a better torp defense than jintsuu

but we will have to see

[elder crane]

It almost for sure is
Much less squishy for just as much, if not more, dmg potential than Jint/Aya
Also will win torp-trades if vanguards ram

[ionic magnet]

im thinking jint noshi ibuki actually
but yea might still be better to slap a jun or ykkz

[vague token]

noshiro also has really high speed to help handle ibuki

35 speed lol

[abstract cypress]

mfw ijn got more fuel when others just get shits

[vague token]

dont forget that azuma is really fast

;)

[forest lake]

Noshiro has high speed?

Sasuga

Ran away from Enty and survived

[elder crane]

3 speed higher than the usual 32 on most CLs
not a bad bonus there

[vague token]

yeah, helps make up for azuma ;)

ibuki is pretty fast too

28

ibuki/noshiro/juneau is basically 3x cl

(assuming standard cl speed is 32)

[elder crane]

What I'm reading is that ibuki/noshiro/ykkz is standard CL+jun+ykkz speed

[forest lake]

[vague token]

she atak, she protec, but she also go fast

[forest lake]

[high bay]

[forest lake]

So what should be my aux equips if I run
Noshi, Ibuki, Ykkz

[vague token]

no juneau so probably all in on ibuki

pearl/rudder on noshi, double boiler on ykk?

not sure really

[elder crane]

Depends how meme you want to be
2 oxys on Ibuki probably, unless one defensive aux makes the difference for her to survive reliably to first reload
Optionally 1 oxy on Noshiro if it makes a difference in damage dealt threshold for killing an enemy ship early
Your goal is to outdo their Juneau heal with torps (either on their other ships, or by killing Juneau before her heal helps) and take off at least as much eHP as you lose from not running a defensive setup

That's my 2¢ on it

[vague token]

personally i think that ibuki/noshiro/juneau is superior

it isnt even torp meme cause that vg is durable

using noshiro as fake ykk, ibuki and noshiro have high speed for their class, and juneau

and noshiro buffs work on ibuki's preload giving you high frontloaded damage

(and the crit bonus works on ibuki's barrages)

[elder crane]

Can you do 8%*3 +10% on their main fleet though to counterbalance ykkz protection
And enough on their vanguard to counterbalance the ykkz better eHP

[vague token]

can always just toss suruga

[elder crane]

1. What if they run her too
2. is the lost dmg from that even counterbalanced by Ibuki?

[vague token]

i just see juneau/ibuki/noshiro as an extremely flexible generalist vg

with good durability and frontloaded damage

specifically on defense where this comp has more main fleet threat power than jintsuu comps because it doesnt compromise your fleet durability

of course im also interested in sheffield/noshiro

xD

[forest lake]

Sheffield Noshiro

I'll prolly run Nagato Suruga Hiryuu or sth

[vague token]

suruga isnt worth dropping amagi

you use with

although she does have a skin

[forest lake]

I don't have Amagi u fuq

[meager dawn]

Just get Amagi

Like I didn't.

[ionic magnet]

better than missing nagato

[forest lake]

[cerulean estuary]

crimson echoes re run will have a akagi BB new shifu

[vague token]

inb4 akagi bb gives reduced cd to herself and kaga bb

first strike, gun edition

[forest lake]

I want wholsom Akagi and not a yandere

[coral wren]

Do you really need a second amagi?

[sharp wing]

Akagi will be BC

She is Amagi class BC, Kaga is Tosa class BB

[forest lake]

Bakagi

[sharp wing]

[ripe latch]

[empty grove]

[forest lake]

[ionic magnet]

[empty grove]

[forest lake]

[empty grove]

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Time to nuke this channel

[empty grove]

[ripe latch]

sagit bomb

[midnight heron]

[NoNo]

[empty grove]

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

[empty grove]

[ashen lion]

[ripe latch]

sagit owari da = nuke bomb

[hoary pasture]

the +2% / -2% buff for level advantages still applies in exercises right?

[ionic magnet]

yus

[hoary pasture]

perfect, this will be the best way for me to test how good noshiro is as she levels

[elder crane]

PvP just gets an additional HP multiplier scaling with level
See pins

[ionic magnet]

*hp multiplier and level advantage buff

[sharp wing]

[forest lake]

Wait is there some kind of PVP eHP calc lying around

[sharp wing]

just use manual input in calc and increase hp by pvp mult

also you can just relate normal eHP of ships, since only value changing is base hp

And also u need to use manual input for pvp eHp calc to not input mob-lvl accuracy values and all related stuff

[forest lake]

Sounds confusing

Might kms later

Oh ok after actual reading it sounds p easy

[serene saddle]

Full ijn fleetxD

[inner zenith]

where is azuma in there :v

[elder crane]

If you have a dev15+ Azuma, then flex her here

[serene saddle]

Its only the 1st month it take a while for azuma to join

[sharp wing]

Where is Buki

[granite flame]

2 more fdg blueprints till dev 10

reEeEeeeEeee

[sharp wing]

Deja Vu

[past egret]

Good equipment ?

[sharp wing]

vg yes

main way low

[past egret]

Alright thanks

Won’t fight it then

[elder crane]

Probably just 119 and nonoath on Hiryuu
+maybe not 200 aff on Namagi
and/or no staag mounted

[sharp wing]

looks like hiryuu lacks some equips at all

[past egret]

How do people inflate VG power to over 15k?

[sharp wing]

dildos

[past egret]

Found this one earlier
https://youtu.be/SxB1V5h6bPo

Double 15k

[sharp wing]

u can go to around 16k

[past egret]

With non meta ships

Was very confused

[sharp wing]

it just has too many stats on it

[elder crane]

btw 15k+ vanguards are inflated stats, and are actually weak

sure, their torps hit hard, but they'll sink to a stiff breeze

[sharp wing]

And their torps miss all the same

and buki with double def items still makes em envy

Most underrated ship

[fierce field]

[shell heron]

F

I afked and got out nagato'd

Time to rush

[sharp wing]

All cause of NEp

[shell heron]

Not enough buki

Enjoy the points off me.

I super rushed

[vague token]

im pretty sure at least like half of us dropped matches lol

[elder crane]

I dropped one from "taking a short nap" last week :P

[fair prism]

yo how come my pvp fleet has a power of like 13,3k for main and 12,7k for vanguard

when the equipment is +10 except a few aux

[vague token]

retros inflate the stats of vgs

[elder crane]

12.7k isn't too far off with some of the lower power vanguards

[fair prism]

i mean i run helena which isnt a powerhouse statwise

[elder crane]

Iirc Jun/Aurora/Ykkz maxed can dip as low as 12.8k

Yeah, Helena is low too

As are gunboats in general

Due to how the value is calculated

[vague token]

gunboats without retros*

[elder crane]

Even with, they're low due to 0 torp stat

[fair prism]

but idk i run sandy,helena,balti and my stats are taht low

[vague token]

oh i was thinking about london xD

[elder crane]

Cause efficiency and MGM+1 isn't counted

[vague token]

"gunboat"

[elder crane]

Helena and balti both dragit down, yeah

Sandy though is chonk on fleet power

[fair prism]

choooonk

nice

my vanguard is a trap

how come my mainfleet has only 13,3k tho

i mean i run a full CV setup for memes

is that why?

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's part of it

CVs tend to be low

[vague token]

sara has really high fleet power

[elder crane]

Like, Hiryuu to warkai almost boosts fleet power by 1k iirc

[vague token]

retro flex

[elder crane]

So 3 CV being 13.3k doesn't seem too weird

[fair prism]

ok phew

i thought i fucked up or something

[vague token]

using amagi/suruga can fake your main power cause of their torps ;)

https://gyazo.com/eae703cb12c7e5d12d7efd40fbb92fcc
boosted

not even 100 xD

[sharp wing]

Underlvled Baka

[vague token]

hmm i should try baka to add more main fleet torps

oxy on main when

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[fair prism]

bruuh

16k

[vague token]

if we could oxy on main

we could hit 17k

[granite flame]

jesus christ kurumi

[fair prism]

[vague token]

no that's what he does

leave the shock/awe at the door ;)

[sharp wing]

It's not Jesus, it's fam

[shell heron]

R1 is easy right

Would have been an easy 93+ if I didn't mess up too

[vague token]

just getting free suruga/noshiro exp

xD

[ripe veldt]

do people bother to 120/200 juneau

[vague token]

120 yes, 200 isnt required

[ionic magnet]

cant call it maxed if its not 120/200

[empty grove]

Juneau is a good girl, maxing her is a requirement if you aren't trash

[high bay]

i dont think i would be able to reach rear fleet admiral

[finite valve]

not like most ppl in here got surplus of like 100k merit left to rot in peperoni anyway

[elder crane]

Hey, I dump all of my merit on boxes anyways

[shy hazel]

i dont need to oath jun

shes not even affection 100

[empty grove]

[elder crane]

I had her sink ~100 times in PvE as I grinded her to 200 aff

[empty grove]

[past egret]

The first star has been acquired

It’s begun

[sharp wing]

Project blessed by Goddess Sandy

[ionic magnet]

havent gotten any rainbow gun since i flexed 9/50 last week

karma is real

[karmic forum]

8hr?

Also fuck you you luccsacc

[sharp wing]

[hot creek]

How are ppl getting so many DR for one over the other? Azuma and FDG have been pretty equal for me and Ive only had two occurence where both of their research comms appeared at the same time and I had to choose one over the other.

[vague token]

im at 15 azuma, 21 fdg so

[ionic magnet]

i focus azuma but i have more fdg bps so

35 -37

[sharp wing]

I focus azuma and have more azuma

but FdG seldom comes to my hands

And she is a bit scary to refuse

[hot creek]

I am "focusing" both equally but its not like I would have a choice to focus one over the other anyways as seldom do I have to choose between them. Maybe RNGesus is just accomodating for me.

[midnight heron]

just had sandy get mvp vs namaspite

[hot creek]

My FDG comment got removed from her page

Must have offended some folks

[ionic magnet]

prolly just deleted cos of new comments

mine on gascon is still on hot

[hot creek]

Nah, I checked and scrolled all the way down. Rate of incoming new comments is low anyways. Either devs moderating comment pages or my comment got too many reports and auto removed

[empty grove]

What'd you say?

[ionic magnet]

you're supposed to put the jp comment right?

[hot creek]

it was a reference to Oedipus

[ionic magnet]

you know what i find silly

you can vote for your own comment every single day

[hot creek]

Time to farm votes, the real pvp.

[empty grove]

Instead of using people for easy points in sandbagging, use them for votes

True big brain meta

[hot creek]

I saw Lynz next to me on the leaderboards last recharge. Should I be spooked?

[empty grove]

I see someone on my list

[vague token]

i already used everything for exp

xD

wait

i might have 5

yeah i have 5

lemme do those

[hot creek]

Havent been really paying attention to leaderboards these past few days. Was thinking this season looked free until he popped up next to me

[empty grove]

I have no idea either

I've just been doing my matches & going back to the event

[vague token]

lel

hopefully i can get you +1 xD

[finite valve]

going for 200k?

[vague token]

ok done

get +1

hopefully

[empty grove]

Nah just shop clear

[karmic forum]

Have any of you hit above 2600 (not counting that time people got extra PvP battles)

[finite valve]

somehow i doubt you don't have enough drop from d3 to mlb her

2600 is normal if you no lifer or get really lucky

ask @empty grove since he is a constant no lifer

[karmic forum]

This is mainly directed at those who sandbag every season but do you find its harder to hit 2600 compared to a year ago for example?

[finite valve]

more like easier

since at the beginning we don't have much comp to work with

[empty grove]

It's still the same for me

[finite valve]

the only meta comp at that time was enty duel

[karmic forum]

The PvP meta a year ago was still Akaga

[finite valve]

and boi don't let me tell you how fucking stupid that was

[empty grove]

Varies on how many people are actively sandbagging or you start to dwindle down on a lead

[finite valve]

enty duel for like what 2 min

jesus

eh no

[ionic magnet]

there's always one or two 2600+ in avrora now
before its like 2595 tops

[karmic forum]

Or wait it probably was still WASD but it changed to Akaga with Amagi release

[finite valve]

foxes was no where meta a year ago

enty was the prime meta

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

I'm pretty sure Foxes were the meta from Crimson echoes up until Nagato event

I was most active in PvP back then and did a lot of optimization of the Amakaga comp

[finite valve]

dk since i was still using enty at that time

still remember the fucking enty duel

not until wasd is a thing that i switch to wasd

[karmic forum]

WASD obviously had the advantage before hand and also eventually adapted Amagi in their comp but most people switched to foxes in anticipation for Nagato

[empty grove]

The only stand out in PVP I remember is Trump's wall comp on 110 levels

[finite valve]

for like what?

[empty grove]

[finite valve]

1 or 2 season?

that's hardly call meta

[karmic forum]

Yeah Trump had a pretty good defensive comp back then

Definitely looking to bully the foxes

[finite valve]

i am only start using foxes after 120 is a thing

[karmic forum]

I mean the meta was constantly shifting back then

[finite valve]

if shifting you mean enty duel 99% of the time?

yeh sure

[karmic forum]

And then Nagato released and some people found out that Namaryuu was good even without Hiryuu kai

And it eventually started to catch on and basically stood at the top to this day.

[finite valve]

someone found out or ppl copy from CN JP tier list?

at that time cancer was already a thing way before EN started all these cancer comp shit

remember that at that time CN already have bunny kai

[karmic forum]

The version of Namaryuu with Normal Hiryuu never existed in CN/JP

[finite valve]

we just copy them since we don't have her kai atm

[karmic forum]

Its an EN only thing

[finite valve]

because they got kai before us lol

[karmic forum]

Correct

[finite valve]

after they start using her EN copy their comp

[karmic forum]

But we tested it and it crushed Foxes while doing well against the rest of the field.

[finite valve]

since let face it we don't have anyone to fill that last slot

foxes need to be duo

that why we just choose bunny non kai

[karmic forum]

Although you could beat it with Amagi + foxes but Nagato + foxes struggle.

[finite valve]

with the arrival of amagi

nagato become useless or irrelevant

amagi > nagato all the way

[karmic forum]

Nakaga became useless

As you said you want to run Amagi in all comps, and if you're running amagi you might as well run Nagato and Hiryuu.

[finite valve]

yep

since we don't have any other good CV at that time

ppl want to run taihou

but since we don't have taihou at that time

only bunny are left

[karmic forum]

Yeah she arrived too late

That experimental period at the beginning of the Nagato event was probably the last exciting period in PvP

Although I guess PR2 should also shake things up in 6 months

[hot creek]

Formidable was the last exciting thing for pvp.

[ionic magnet]

pr2 wont shake anything when torp namaryuu is still better on def

[elder crane]

Smh you guys just have no imagination

Amagi+Hiryuu had been adapted for use before Nagato

[ionic magnet]

what works now will work 6 months latet

[elder crane]

Just few ppl ran it

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

inagination when about 4 to 5 slot are fixed

[elder crane]

It destroyed foxes and even beat WaSDA easily

Last one was a bit of a surprise

[karmic forum]

True, I saw one or two people running it before ISSS

I also saw stuff like WASD with Hiryuu

[elder crane]

Also, I'm running Hiryuu FC this reset, and it works really well on offense vs meta stuff

I sadly didn't get Hiryuu up before Amagi released

[karmic forum]

I guess it comes down to me being burned out from PvP

Theres probably a lot of things that work but I don't have the motivation to do PvP at all anymore

[elder crane]

For this last day though
I was wondering why Juneau was being so pepega

......Oops

(I was running her in EX yesterday, and forgot)

[finite valve]

naked jesus in pvp

is this the new meta?

[ionic magnet]

i mean namaryuu teams has literally no upgrades anymore so understandable that you'll get bored

[elder crane]

Somehow I still was winning XD

[karmic forum]

Thats mostly what I see on defense

[elder crane]

Just Jun got sniped early half the time

[karmic forum]

The problem is that nothing has changed about defense fleets in the past half-year or so

[elder crane]

Yeah, prior to Formi and Warkai, PvP was very ded

[ionic magnet]

agreed

[karmic forum]

Namaryuu still the best, everything else too janky

[elder crane]

For defense, sorta

[serene saddle]

Defeated some namagiryuu

[elder crane]

Depends on the team
Some teams have more issues with Warkai-centric than Namayuu

And ofc HFC matchups are wonky af

[karmic forum]

Whats the Warkai to Hiryuu ratio in the higher ranks?

Have people been changing up the defense?

[elder crane]

There's some slightly off meta stuff that gives me much more trouble than meta

[serene saddle]

Warkai snipe enemy amagi instead of hiryuu

[elder crane]

Warkai more common

But probably just for offense perf

[ionic magnet]

true i now feel like namagi ws is better vs wfc

[elder crane]

Most ppl don't equip two PvP teams

So their def is what thier off is

[karmic forum]

Makes sense

Thats a lot of gear to dedicate to PvP

[elder crane]

For HFC, it's the anti-CV stuff

Which is off meta since irrelevant for the most part vs meta

[serene saddle]

HFC to adjust ur salvo against Enty?

[karmic forum]

Feel like HFC is just in the crossfire of people still trying to counter Akaga

[elder crane]

But Enty, Sandyret, Eld are all a complete nightmare for HFC, to some degree

[karmic forum]

Which at this point I kinda feel bad for the foxes since they're bullied by half the defensive comps

[elder crane]

Combine all, and it's sometimes

Especially when Eld hard trolls you

[serene saddle]

Eld sure to die on 1st airstrike no

[elder crane]

Also non-engine comps as well

[karmic forum]

Against foxes yeah Eld doesn't really stand a chance

[elder crane]

Since FC doesn't give a shit about engines

Which is like, just so different from meta

It's pretty refreshing

Also annoying af when you have to reset vs a team meta would never have to

[hot creek]

Meh. Ive had lukewarm results with Hiryuu FC. 3 CV is still a meme since you've no aux to finish off enemy VG whenever you lose VG battle. and Hiryuu unsupported by Amagi/Nagato is underwhelming especially if they manage to proc final counter early.

[elder crane]

But hey, that's the price

[serene saddle]

Sooner or later there gonna be a bunch of FDG and azuma comp

[elder crane]

Counter is either your secure vs hiryuu or your stall vs WS

[karmic forum]

I'd say later

Since even the biggest of whales will take at least 4 months to get enough DR bps for dev 30

[elder crane]

So you actually don't tank Amagi with Hiryuu vs namayuu

Also lol at losing vanguard fight

[karmic forum]

Although I suppose Azuma will be up and PvP ready at dev 25 a bit earlier

[finite valve]

only IF they don't introduce more amagi tier shit in new event

remember we still got 6 months window of new event

[karmic forum]

We don't even know when the next new event will be

[elder crane]

HFC should basically never lose vanguard fight except the rare torpmemes

[finite valve]

my point exactly

[ionic magnet]

next should be polaris

or FW

[finite valve]

if they going to introduce more amagi tier shit in new event

[ionic magnet]

[serene saddle]

Amagi evasive buff and reduce burn timer for backline is too good

[finite valve]

it going to change fdg azuma comp

[elder crane]

There's no burn timer change for amagi

It's 15% fire dmg reduction

[serene saddle]

Oh

[elder crane]

EN DoT timers are just bugged

Last tick of DoTs are not applied

[vague token]

only ships like birmingham and smol hiei adjust burn time

[elder crane]

Hiei doesn't either, no?

She's dred too

Just birm afaik

[serene saddle]

Thx to amagi buff there 1 time mt nagato ate all converging torp and dodge 80% of it

[vague token]

oh right it was dr

[serene saddle]

With rudder and sg radar

[elder crane]

Like, I didn't lose VG fight except vs one torpmemes with w naked Juneau today

So, like

Yeah

[karmic forum]

I wonder why people don't try torpmemes more often on defense

[elder crane]

It's too inconsistent for offense

[serene saddle]

Noshiro is another nightmare vg

[karmic forum]

Seems like you'd be targeting all those people who use boilers.

And you and cheese some resets with lucky patterns

[elder crane]

Scary on defense, but most ppl just set offense team as defense

Some equips are just 1-of or limited

[midnight heron]

who even has enuf dupe gear for 2 teams

[karmic forum]

Whats the torp meme vanguard anyways?

Ibuki/Noshiro/Ykkz?

[serene saddle]

Jintsuu/ibuki, noshiro, nanoda

[vague token]

juneau will be better over ykkz

[karmic forum]

Or would Aurora be better

[ionic magnet]

aurota too

[vague token]

if you run ibuki/noshiro

[elder crane]

That or Aurora over Ibuki I think

[ionic magnet]

combination of those

[elder crane]

Nah, I wouldn't run Jun over ykkz

[serene saddle]

Aurora laugh at belfast smoke

[ionic magnet]

as long you dont go full 6 oxytorps it's fine

[elder crane]

Not in a torpmeme comp

[karmic forum]

The point of the torpmeme is to torp the shit out of your opponent

[vague token]

i mean, why compromise durability of team

when you can do both

ibuki covers the third torp slot anyways

[elder crane]

Dropping ykkz comprimises it more

[vague token]

not really? juneau does a lot more ehp than ykkz unless you rng into procs

[serene saddle]

Ykkz has good torp stats and her survival is very high

[elder crane]

Torpmeme already means more fragile vanguard
And ykkz provides dred anyways
Ykkz also contributes pretty strong torps

[vague token]

except that you can get both torps and durability

with juneau

because you get free bulge

free speed

[elder crane]

Jun doesn't do torps

[vague token]

ibuki torp boost

[ionic magnet]

i like ykkz over jun so i still can have a decent cockroach cos your other VGs are normally squushy when you run torp memes

[karmic forum]

Juneau torps

[vague token]

that's ok though

ibuki counts as two torps

without giving up team durability

[serene saddle]

Imagine if all ur vg died and the enemy has 2 boiler ykkz

[vague token]

like sure you could ALL in all in

but that wouldnt be as good

[serene saddle]

Cant hit her af

[elder crane]

It does give up a ton of vanguard survivability

[karmic forum]

I mean maybe juneau will make the comp stronger on average but thats not the point of the comp

[elder crane]

Plus torpmemes already means you're ahead on main fleet survivability

[vague token]

unless you whiff

xD

[elder crane]

Since you just torped the shit out of either their VG or main

[serene saddle]

Torpmeme is... u destroy the enemy vg b4 they destroy u

[elder crane]

If kill VG, easy win, they don't get jun heal either

[vague token]

i mean, juneau with noshiro isnt going to get memed that easily either

[elder crane]

If hit main, you make up for the lost Jun heal already

[vague token]

or sheffield

[elder crane]

The weakness is now your vanguard is fragile

Sheff is just worse

[vague token]

which is why you just take both

and run juneau

no longer fragile

huge damage

[elder crane]

What?

[serene saddle]

Juneau has poor FP and torp

[elder crane]

Ykkz provides much more vanguard sustain than Jun

[vague token]

maybe if she's guarding ibuki?

[karmic forum]

Juneau is basically the equivalent of a block of meat.

[vague token]

otherwise i doubt it

[elder crane]

And again, don't underestimate ykkz torps

[vague token]

unless you mean her being the only one left

[ionic magnet]

torp memes are actually scary when they survive your 1st salvo/airstrikes

[elder crane]

A dead torpmemes vanguard is not scary if yours is alive

[serene saddle]

I run this vg it was heaven when their vg died

[karmic forum]

Its an incredibly highrolly vanguard at its core

[vague token]

in which case shielding noshiro and ibuki would keep more torp power alive longer

[elder crane]

And if both dead, then just HP ratio of main

[karmic forum]

Which makes it suitable for defence

[vague token]

especially given ibuki's multiplicative power

[elder crane]

Except Ykkz does that better

[vague token]

she wont punch as hard as noshiro buffed ibuki though

[elder crane]

Jun is very fragile

Doesn't matter

[vague token]

which is what noshiro can help with

[elder crane]

She still punches more than Jun

Much more than Jun

I think she torps better than Noshiro herself too, no?

[vague token]

i really doubt her damage + selfish EHP is better than keeping ibuki/noshiro alive longer for their damage

[serene saddle]

U expect an anti air cruiser to punch hard in surface battle?

[vague token]

but someone would have to run the math on that

[elder crane]

Like, Ykkz is what, 1/4 of opening torps dmg in a Noshiro/Ibuki team

Pretty sure she torps a bit harder than Noshiro actually

[karmic forum]

Ykkz is also incredibly likely to live to get a second round of torps

[elder crane]

And probably is around one ibuki salvo

[karmic forum]

Even when using rainbow amgs

[elder crane]

So actually, ykkz surviving to 2nd volley is just as good as Ibuki surviving to 2nd volley

[vague token]

well yeah, without juneau that's about similar odds

[elder crane]

In fact, since Jun gives up her opening torps too

[vague token]

while with juneau you can virtually guarantee it

barring running head on into big seven

in which case both comps lose out

also note the extremely heavy air weakness with ibuki/noshiro/ykk

[elder crane]

Not sure that's actually an issue

[vague token]

like, juneau/noshiro/ibuki is such a great all rounder

[elder crane]

Since Hiryuu is the only relevant CV

[vague token]

aa for air, torp pressure, ehp boosts for everyone

[elder crane]

And own Hiryuu means you pretty much autowin vs all CV comps

[vague token]

says the triple cv guy ;)

[ionic magnet]

only villains run 3 CV

jk

[elder crane]

I mean
Literally I shill FC so hard
Cause nobody uses it

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

So yeah

Not relevant

[vague token]

i just feel that juneau/noshiro/ibuki covers MORE options

[ionic magnet]

yeah its just namagi everywhere

[vague token]

without giving up a huge amount of damage

because 12% crit rate for ibuki's barrages goes so much further

and promoting both her and ibuki living longer results in more damage than ykk

[karmic forum]

I'm willing to test both comps out once I get noshiro PvP ready

[elder crane]

Well
For offense, the extra coverage doesn't matter since you already win vs those easier comps

[karmic forum]

That probably won't be for another month though

[vague token]

i mean offense you wouldnt run torp xD

[elder crane]

For def, you want to specialize

Otherwise you win vs nothing

[vague token]

really? namaryuu isnt specialized at all

it covers everything

through sheer stats

it's the same principle

get bonus speed, bonus bulge, free crit rate

and free torp

[elder crane]

That's cause there's no specializing you can do with that team

[ionic magnet]

ill be testing them too but not having nagato p much forces me to run aurora

[elder crane]

And it shows

Namayuu on def is still not great, especially vs meta comps

You'd specialize it for def vs meta comp if you could

But you can't

[vague token]

in a world where defense gave points, wouldnt it be better to broaden your win rate?

since not everyone is try hard

[elder crane]

Not if it just means you lose vs everything

Well, if ppl took it seriously

[vague token]

i mean you lose against meta, so it's better to be stronger against non-meta

[elder crane]

Depends on you goal I suppose

[vague token]

because population wise

more people run non-meta

so you want more generalist sets

in order to take more wins off the larger population

[elder crane]

Since current PvP only trolls them and doesn't directly benefit you

[karmic forum]

I mean why would people care about PvP as it is right now?

[vague token]

no one will ever care

[elder crane]

Doesn't make sense to wall noobs harder

[vague token]

unless they start offering gems

lel

[elder crane]

Since noobs aren't the threat

Meta ppl are the threat

And it you can get a few meta users to stumble

[karmic forum]

Unless they do a complete overhaul, we will be just a small minority of players who actually want to optimize this shit

[elder crane]

That's the only use of current def

Hence, it only makes sense to specialize

Rather than just wall noobs a bit more

[vague token]

xD

trump coming in with the wall

[karmic forum]

Is Trump even active anymore?

[vague token]

personally i just feel the EHP:DPS ratio is better with juneau

but id have to math

and that would be annoying

[karmic forum]

Last I saw he was using Namaryuu

[elder crane]

He is, but gave up on the meme names

Active, that is

[ionic magnet]

yea saw him yesterday

[elder crane]

Also, I saw your meme names Hoo

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

he never hid them

[elder crane]

You need to swap Jun and Ykkz names too

[vague token]

;)

[elder crane]

0/10 meme

[karmic forum]

Oh wait I see him on the leader boards

[ionic magnet]

need to think of something new

[karmic forum]

Hes still using the meme names

[elder crane]

Such a easy swap and you didn't do it smh

So now 2 ships actually have real names smh

0/10

-10/10

[ionic magnet]

yeah im not sure if i want to keep it all ijn or what

[karmic forum]

Is Famine still mega sandbagging?

[vague token]

i gave him +1

[ionic magnet]

ofc

[elder crane]

Why not call them the USN team back when that was a thing for CN/JP

Pretend that meta existed for EN

[ionic magnet]

tho sandbagging is nothing more than a side thing cos he's farming all day anyway

[vague token]

he does both anyways

[karmic forum]

I remember I was racing with him once season but didn't get good resets at the end and just used up the rest of my exercises

[elder crane]

WaSD Essex/Massa btw
Jun Sandyret and iirc Helena for full USN

[karmic forum]

I thought he had first place on lockdown but then he messed up somehow and lost an exercise or missed a reset or something

[vague token]

full nation fleets
mixed fleets

[elder crane]

Sanrui iirc for nonHelena

Iirc for some reason ykkz wasn't listed in the tier guide I got this from

[ionic magnet]

so whatever happened to helena retro?
was teased before but still nothing

[vague token]

tier EX pve

such power

they cant release it yet

[elder crane]

Devs realized it was OP/didn't change anything

[karmic forum]

I mean we know its coming

They probably just want to space out the powerful refits

[elder crane]

Literally, since Helena is just good for skill
And stats are passable still
Either retro does nothing or makes her OP

If it isn't as good as her skill, then her role stays exactly the same

If it is, she's OP

[vague token]

watch them just dump amagi kai on us and make pvp a lost cause forever

[karmic forum]

People are saying that Helena is too good to need a refit but she could actually use one

Just to boost her survivability

[vague token]

oh famine took back 1st on event points

xD

[karmic forum]

Seems like Agito decided to stop

Which is the reasonable thing to do

What are you even farming at that point?

[empty grove]

Shop clear

[ionic magnet]

yea better than some other games that releases op chars
only to get nerfed 2 days after

[vague token]

[karmic forum]

How many points for shop clear this time?

[empty grove]

Like 116k

[karmic forum]

Oh

Ok

But why

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

You can just get the noshiros from D3

[empty grove]

I'm not even farming D3

[karmic forum]

I'm assuming Famine is

[empty grove]

[empty grove]

Ohh

114k

Not 116k

[finite valve]

what map are you farming anyway?

[empty grove]

C2

[finite valve]

for what tho?

[vague token]

c2 is 4 before boss

super efficient

xD

[finite valve]

what drop there?

oh

[karmic forum]

Oh well I don't think anything will beat Jojo's basically impossible score in tragicomedy.

[empty grove]

Nothing drops here

It's just me being lazy & not wanting to use 120s for easy 1:1 on D3

[finite valve]

jo jo is just on off on event

[vague token]

imagine using 120 1:1 on d3

xD

[finite valve]

1 event he goes all out

next he disappear

[empty grove]

I haven't seen him for ages

I see him on the CM leaderboard alot tho

[karmic forum]

I think the last time they all farmed like madmen was the french event

[empty grove]

Actually

Jojo didn't farm that hard

[finite valve]

best gun in the game

well ofc everyone going to yolo that shit

[karmic forum]

I must have confused him with someone else though

[empty grove]

Agito had like 200 something k & I had around 175

[karmic forum]

That was and will be the only time I farm 100k points

[finite valve]

jojo sometimes got 200k tho

[empty grove]

Yeah

He hit like 234k

Think that was the highest event points

[finite valve]

i remember when he was 200k agito was like below

[karmic forum]

it definitely was across all servers

[finite valve]

and vice versa

maybe since i don't care for those

[karmic forum]

I'm dying to know how many 138s he got from that

[finite valve]

best record i ever saw was 11 gun (10 farmed)

so just eye ball it to 10 farmed

[empty grove]

I had 10

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

Idk about Agito tho

[finite valve]

[karmic forum]

Probably around 13-14 assuming equal luck

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

[karmic forum]

I got 6+1 from 100k

[empty grove]

I was using oklahoma & leander the entire time

[finite valve]

if only rainbow gear was farmable

[empty grove]

Swapped to nevada later on

Imagine the salt if they make the Rainbow BB gun farmable at some point

[karmic forum]

I wouldn't be salty

It would be a godsend actually

[empty grove]

Whales would be

[karmic forum]

True

[empty grove]

Since I bet half of them did it to flex

[finite valve]

[karmic forum]

But I'll enjoy it at their expense

[empty grove]

At my pacing of the gun, i'll probably dev30 both DR before getting one

[finite valve]

that seem to be the average time for 1 gun anyway

you can go read on those stories on 4chan

good read

[empty grove]

Is that gun even that big of a boost

[vague token]

georgia gun?

[finite valve]

min max

everything in this game is basically min max

[empty grove]

[finite valve]

and right to flex ofc

[vague token]

i mean georgia gun cuts 4 seconds out

compared to izumo

which means with reload you can just nuke someone before rudder

[finite valve]

tbh i am more interested in co op or raid mode when they decide to introduce those

pvp was never really my cup of tea in any game

[elder crane]

Also it does about same dmg as izumo gun per salvo

But loads faster

Also more FP for barrages

[vague token]

base damage is like 50 less

[empty grove]

Well

[vague token]

but usually spread makes you whiff a shell

on izumo gun

[empty grove]

I guess one positive is that not a lot of whales do PVP anyway

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

457 gets enhanced ammo mods

So it's actually just as good dmg per salvo

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

Despite lower bdmg per salvo

[vague token]

it's an improvement in literally everything

[finite valve]

since well pvp in here don't reward you with gem

any other game always reward gem or premium currency in pvp

which is why ppl do those thing

pvp in here is just whatever

[elder crane]

It's, what, 15% higher mod on med and heavy

Than normal BBAP

[vague token]

uh, 110->125 is like a bit less than 15

[elder crane]

That's +15%

I don't mean multiplicative

[vague token]

oh ok xD

yeah

it's 15% in each category

or so

maybe 10 for light

[elder crane]

But yeah
~400 vs ~450 bdmg per salvo

[shy hazel]

this event

[vague token]

and according to wiki chart it has more splash radius

[shy hazel]

is as shitty as kiros meme

[vague token]

15 vs 16

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

But the ammo mod pretty much exactly makes up for it

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

Also 457 does have 1 more dispersion iirc, but also 1 more AoE

So it's same physical hitrate

[empty grove]

Well

[vague token]

it says 17 spread vs 19 on izumo

[empty grove]

Maybe in a year we'll be able to test it

[vague token]

not sure if accurate

[elder crane]

You know better than to trust ingame numbers

[vague token]

this is wiki table

[elder crane]

You're reading wrong column then

If CN wiki

There's also fixed Dispersion component

[finite valve]

@shy hazel implying that you not going to complain either way if they make another iris event where you going to spend like what 20 - 30k oil on farming for top tier event gear and complain about how shit the drop rate is?

[vague token]

oh im looking at en xD

[finite valve]

people man

you can't pleased them all

[elder crane]

Oh, lol, EN wiki being pepega again?

[empty grove]

It does say 19

[vague token]

[elder crane]

17 sounds right for 457 random dispersion

[shy hazel]

shitty droprate with good gear is okay

shitty droprate with shit gear is not

[elder crane]

CN table has the combined dispersion

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

For also the shot-pattern fixed Dispersion

[finite valve]

and you still going to complain either way in both of those

[empty grove]

Which one was the CN wiki?

Moegirl?

Or something

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

The one linked on EN wiki main page

[empty grove]

Or that joyme one

[elder crane]

Joyme one

[finite valve]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/首页

CN

[shy hazel]

i dont remember complaining about french event

[finite valve]

https://game8.jp/azurlane

JP

[shy hazel]

u must be into some other loser here

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

Wtf

There's 3

[vague token]

xD

[empty grove]

Wait no

JP

Nvm

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Oh, also, anyone hear of any recent news on testing for the gun animation fix?

[empty grove]

Idk how good this one is

https://zh.moegirl.org/碧蓝航线

My friend sent it to me awhile back

[shy hazel]

gun anim is alrdy patched

u should see more dmg on some of your ships

[finite valve]

look more like a chat board tbh

[shy hazel]

like sandy

[vague token]

oh that one

yeah kitakaze/sandy/seattle shouldnt have their gun damage gimped

[shy hazel]

basically cls dds with mgm 1

[elder crane]

Yeah, but I haven't heard any news on if abscd was affected

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

And how the fix was implemented

[shy hazel]

they just patched it

[elder crane]

What it means for gun reload overlapping

[shy hazel]

dunno how

[elder crane]

Cause there's still some delay it seems

MGM+1 doesn't just all unload at once

[shy hazel]

they probably just reduced animation cd

[elder crane]

Also abscd is also an animation thing
So it might be affected

[vague token]

[elder crane]

I think also an overlap change

Cause looking at my Noshiro for example, her secondary gun sometimes fires at same time as main gun

But MGM+1 seems to not overlap like that, maybe?

[vague token]

well, i think they made it so alternate guns dont interfere with each others cooldown then?

[elder crane]

Possibly

[shy hazel]

thing i only know is

[vague token]

because i remember they did

so seattle got rekt

[elder crane]

But also, what about the startupCD

[shy hazel]

they said uts fixed in a patchnote

[vague token]

because MGM+1, aux equip, and fake aux

[elder crane]

Cause there was a thing

[shy hazel]

then my sandy became memer

[vague token]

oh and the depth charge

[shy hazel]

more dmg

[elder crane]

Where 2nd gun to fire skips startupCD

[vague token]

depth charge also occupied cd

[shy hazel]

go test kiro

chuck everything

[elder crane]

So now that main guns/secs/depth charge apparently don't interact,
What happens to thier startupCD?

[vague token]