pvp

[coral wren]

I mean. In all honesty, they really should jsut take all old ssr ships and redo their skills

[past egret]

Not a lot got retrofitted irl

Maybe a new gameplay mechanic with just upgrading skills once maxed

[coral wren]

I mean, don't give them a retrofit

But just to fix them

Like they did with some

[vague token]

they'd have to rework shelling as a mechanic which would just buff ijn more xD

[coral wren]

I mean, fixing some barrages would do the trick

and skills that buff the ship

hello wales

[past egret]

Didn’t they say they can’t release ships like Iowa and Yamato because Nagato is already too strong

[vague token]

i mean, if you buff shelling, ships with a good barrage get buffed

[past egret]

And Yamato would be a barrage ship too

[vague token]

because they'd have both the barrage and shelling

[coral wren]

Uhh, yamato should be fdg's equivalent i think. Too lazy to look tho, maybe i'm wrong

[vague token]

inb4 yamato barrage has worse arcing shell damage than amagi

xD

[coral wren]

h-ha ha, g-guys, we aren't ijn bias, s-see?

[past egret]

It’d be disappointing if they did that

Yamato has a legendary reputation

[finite valve]

iowa = AA niche for pve

[past egret]

Amagi had, literally 0

[finite valve]

yamato = JP bias OP

[coral wren]

What reputation? Other than being bombed to death by uss aviation

[vague token]

i mean amagi's arcing shells have higher base damage than georgia gun

[past egret]

“LaRgEsT bAtTlEsHip oF WW2”

[vague token]

(their armor ratios are silly though)

[coral wren]

[past egret]

To be fair to Yamato

She took more bombs and torpedos than any other ship in history while still being afloat did she not

And still shot down like, 18 aircraft

Also don’t forget

Yamato has 2 other clones

Mushashi and refitted Shinano

[coral wren]

Eh, both died to aviation

[past egret]

One died to 4(or 6) torpedoes due to having civilians as “crew”

Shinano I mean

[coral wren]

Don't really blame them tho. After midway fiasko it was kinda hard to get back to the game. But they really shouldn't by any special. if anything cvs should be > bbs in this game, but whatever

Oh, btw

trey switching tirp for zeppy

If you have her maxed ofc

[ionic magnet]

damn that jp kms vid is painful to watch
3 fights and nagato literally procced once only lol

[past egret]

I mean japan blew a 8 to 1 naval size lead

And yet...

Azur Lane:

IJN above all

Also every battleship acknowledges their time is coming to an end

Also Azur Lane:

let us introduce you to cancer 3.0

[vague token]

i mean, when you think about it, any lead would easily be closed given the industrial powerhouse that is america anyways

there were 0 chances they'd ever compete with america's production capabilities

[past egret]

If they didn’t lose midway America wouldn’t of been able to respond for years

Would still eventually lose cause Germany was doomed regardless

Once the Russians were finished beating Germany to a pulp they’d turn to the Japanese

Speaking of Russians, Russian shipgirls when

[elder crane]

You know that had the USN lost every single ship at Midway and the IJN none, the USN would still be larger than the IJN by the end of 1944?

That's the situation the IJN were in

[vague token]

dont you just love the military industrial complex

[elder crane]

that's why they were desperate enough to attack midway even knowing the USN knew they were going to attack it
if they didn't take a decisive engagement, the situation would only get worse

[vague token]

MORE FLETCHER CLASS DESTROYERS

[past egret]

Fletcher was actually a good class

Sucks only common and rare ones exist on AL

[elder crane]

skk and zkk weren't even committed partially because the IJN was afraid that should they commit the two, the USN would refuse to fight them

remember, the IJN thought YT was sunk

[coral wren]

The question is

even If they had succeeded there, would have usa agreed to their terms

[vague token]

lol no, the us probably would have just waited long enough to produce a bigger fleet

200 fletchers not enough? make 300 instead ;)

[coral wren]

Soviets and brits were on their way to pacific too, so...

Not like soviets were a threat tho with their non existent fleet

[sharp wing]

Soviet fleet was more artillery support for ground forces

Also playing Shinano in AH

[vague token]

no movement this reset oh boi

the power of event

[elder crane]

Ikr, I'm at 3 days +0 right now

[midnight heron]

nice event

[sharp wing]

I slept 10 hrs so i missed reset at all xd

[midnight heron]

1k eva requirement for for d3

[sharp wing]

OwO that new loading w/ Bel and Azuma

[coral wren]

Is that azuma?

I thoguht she would be much thiccer

[vague token]

what it was there before

then it was gone for a bit

i think they tweeted they accidentally synced the wrong loading screens

[sharp wing]

Looks like My wife

[vague token]

she is

the eyes give her away

[sharp wing]

Which "eyes"

[vague token]

azuma's

same color

it's like amber

[sharp wing]

Color..., I see

Those eyes...

[coral wren]

she is... rather slim

[vague token]

what is she eating xD

or rather what did she stop eating

[coral wren]

bubblegum

[velvet fossil]

[sharp wing]

I mean, Azuma is not fat, just oppai

And very tall

no thicc

[ionic magnet]

why is type 95 there
gfl collab confirmed?

[sharp wing]

that's choukai

Where is my Midway and Shinano

CV Meta

[coral wren]

Hm, there were two midway cvs. One was renamed and then got rekt by kamikaze

They should pick that one

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

alaska when

[sharp wing]

Are you sure you are talking about midways?

[coral wren]

Plot twist: They put in Midway, but it's the island instead.

Ye

Casablanca-class

renamed to St. Lo

[sharp wing]

What?

Midway class are 3 cvs, Midway, Coral See and Franklin D. Roosevelt (Previously Coral See)

[vague token]

im pretty sure they were all decomissioned

[coral wren]

Nah nah, i was tlaking about the name

[sharp wing]

And they were commissioned after war ended

Also

[coral wren]

Ye, you are talking about midway class. But there was a casablanca calss in which one unit was named midway and then renamed

[sharp wing]

I was talking about Midway CVs all alone

[coral wren]

Well, that would be funny if they announce midway cv, and then it appears they are giving escort cv, instead of heavy one

[sharp wing]

No1 even knows there were some other midway at that time

[vague token]

is that game on en yet

xD

[sharp wing]

AH? few days like released

4th day today I think and 1st day was early access

lel, some1 already flex meme fleet w/ azuma

5 sec battles

[coral wren]

Ryuuhou get.

Is she any good?

[vague token]

top tier healer

[sharp wing]

Well, useless for pvp

I'm out of credits... Focused FdG projects in a row

[ripe latch]

farm 50k gold more hard then exp

[coral wren]

TBH if Japan had won Midway and moved on to capture Hawaii, I don't think the US would have been in a position to do anything but sue for peace even if they did keep producing ships.

The US would have been locked out of almost the entire Pacific and Asia without a forward base like Hawaii for the fleet.

And Japan's fleet would have just kept getting stronger as well without US subs raping their resource transports.

[sharp wing]

It's still pretty pointless, JP would never be able to get even close, not talking about landing on US mainland

[vague token]

too bad the japanese had 0 chances of ever securing hawaii

[sharp wing]

That war vs US was lost from the very start

[coral wren]

Invading North America was never part of the plan.

[vague token]

considering there would be 0 ways of sneaking over troop transports

roosevelt was already expecting a fight anyways, which is why all the us carriers were out of port

he was trying to set up land based planes

[coral wren]

Who needs to sneak? If the US loses at Midway there's nothing in the Pacific that can stop the Japanese from landing in Hawaii.

[vague token]

there is, it's called not having the resources

[sharp wing]

lol

[coral wren]

They had plenty of resources at that stage in the war.

[vague token]

a small portion of the us

[coral wren]

Good thing Hawaii is thousands of miles from the US.

[vague token]

the ONLY thing barely keeping them in the game was that the us, for w/e reason, said yeah we wont make too many ships yet

[sharp wing]

They would need to establish forward base at midway 1st and make it resource stock base 1st

That would take time

They could not rush to Hawaii anyway

[coral wren]

Not that much time, considering they were at that point quite experienced with island blitzkrieg.

[vague token]

island blitzkrieg is no way to secure and build up an empire

[sharp wing]

lmao

[vague token]

that's like having a big stack in risk and rushing a bunch of territories

[coral wren]

It is if you can take the final enemy capture point on the map.

[sharp wing]

having insecure stock base in the reach of enemy carriers would be pretty fun

[vague token]

except that hawaii is easy to hold from the west coast

[sharp wing]

With little means of detection

[vague token]

compared to mainland japan

[coral wren]

No it isn't.

[vague token]

yeah it is? all of japan's construction is in the mainland

[coral wren]

Do you actually know how far Hawaii is from San Diego?

[vague token]

not as far as mainland japan

reinforcing hawaii would be a nightmare

much less holding it since they sank 0 cvs

[coral wren]

There are tons of islands between Japan and Hawaii. There's nothing but water between the US and Hawaii.

[vague token]

and 0 of those islands have dry docks designed for building ships

congrats, they're useless

might as well be open water

[coral wren]

Why would they need to build ships on those islands? Are you stupid or just pretending?

[vague token]

because you can never defeat the us in any long term engagement due to their military industrial complex

once those dry docks start cranking out boats

[coral wren]

Ok. Actually stupid. Got it.

[vague token]

sitting on an unreinforceable island like hawaii is a death trap

im gonna need you to ease off the ad hominem

thanks

[sharp wing]

U quit too fast

[coral wren]

I'm gonna need you to ease off the paint chips.

[vague token]

the only way japan could have ever have done anything was by not attacking the us and just stayed in indonesia and china securing oil and steel

except that would just provoke US imperialism tendencies so that is also doomed

the us doesnt like anyone threatening their money

xD

which is why yamamoto appropriately described the US as a sleeping giant in tora tora tora xD

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

too bad he never said that for real =(

honestly it could have been a lot worse for japan as a country

if they had succeeded in taking hawaii, it's easy to believe that the us populace would have been whipped into a rage

leading to a no mercy situation

eg once the industrial complex pumped out enough war machines, the us could have just run japan over

[shy hazel]

u losers fighting over bullcrap

japan never had a chance against us

even if japan captured hawaii

no matter what history book you read

its the same conclusion

[hot creek]

Japanese have since taken over Hawaii through cultural victory

[shy hazel]

technically majority japanese

but to be correct

its asians

lots of japanese thais pinoys there

[vague token]

honestly the war would just be a lot bloodier with japan probably near extinct

[shy hazel]

whatever the case

us wouldve still had nukes in 1945

[vague token]

it would probably be: instead of japan being nuked first germany would

then with the european front done (note that 70+% of us forces were focused there) you just overwhelm the tiny japanese forces

[shy hazel]

what even science fiction r u ppl reading

germany will still end up the same

[vague token]

the loser x_X

oh hey bonus point owo

[shy hazel]

only reason pacific war went 1945 is us focused in eu

if hawaii was for some reason ganked

us wouldve focused in the pacific

war wouldve ended earlier

ask me i was kind of historian

and from what i see in pvp history

u still are losers

[hot creek]

Can ykkz turn ram damage to 1?

[vague token]

i cant believe peco wasnt top 10 last season

he is a loser like us

[hot creek]

I thought I saw that happpen rn but im not sure.

[vague token]

she can

[shy hazel]

ram can go 1

[vague token]

and fire damage too

[shy hazel]

it happens lots of times

and what u smoking kiro loser

i was t10

until the last min

[vague token]

cant believe peco got sniped

who did this to him

[shy hazel]

winners like me was in xmas meeting

[vague token]

oh boi

[shy hazel]

thank me for making banks available on holidays

moi is banker elite

[vague token]

oof

someone has to facilitate $ ->

[sharp wing]

nanoda turns ramming into 1s yes

Funniest thing when she rams and gets 1 damage and sink some1

[shy hazel]

happens alot in hiryuu

nnoda vs hiryuu

[sharp wing]

Peco sees nightmares everyday of not getting rank1

[shy hazel]

hey

[sharp wing]

tryhard life is hard

[shy hazel]

id rather have my job than t1

[sharp wing]

fail tryhard even worse

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

shoo u go away rusher

okay rusher.

[sharp wing]

That is his another nightmare revealed

That's some perpetual circle of damnation

[strange shuttle]

is the homing beacon or avi fuel any use?

[past egret]

Avi fuel is Good

Homing beacon no

@strange shuttle Aviation fuel is a better purple fuel tank

[strange shuttle]

so if your a pvp min maxer you use avi fuel/ orange steam?

[past egret]

Avi Fuel + Gold steam catapult or research steering gear

It’s a worthy investment regardless cause it’s good in PVE too against high AA

[strange shuttle]

thought pve people called it useless ok thanks good to know

[ripe latch]

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

Cause it's useless for pve xD

Till ch13 there nothing shooting at planes and in ch13 it's either 1 shots or you evade, so still useless

in pvp planes hp just quadrupled

And there no crash damage in pve

[vague token]

crash damage sorting for plane tables when

[zenith tundra]

the only problem with 100/150 in w13 is that plane speed is not good for aa

u want fighters to stay on screen as much as possible

[sharp wing]

There no problems, if u dun use it

[vestal compass]

What do i swap steam catapult with?

[vague token]

rudder for defense

[vestal compass]

Mmm

[zenith tundra]

beaver or rudder

beaver is a bit better to put on cv because higher base evasion then bb

[vestal compass]

I see, well i’ll use rudder then, beaver taken. Is it better if I swap DoY(120) for Hiryuu(109) or do I keep?

[zenith tundra]

do u have ws kai?

[vestal compass]

Yes

She’s sitting at 102

[zenith tundra]

should use her once u level her up to like 110

[vestal compass]

Alright

But for now, do I keep?

[zenith tundra]

u should use hiryuu if u ever have trouble with ws kai. at 109 not sure if she is better then doy

[vestal compass]

Ah, I’ll see if wskai becomes an issue for me in pvp then. Thank you.

[sharp wing]

ws is no issue on def

[ripe latch]

suruga ws kai enty?

[upper sparrow]

[forest lake]

Ryuusei or Cuda for Hiryuu

[finite valve]

for pvp?

[shell heron]

I prefer ryuusei. she lives long enough for enemy vanguard to sink

[forest lake]

Why would I ask here then

[shell heron]

so all torps go for back

[frail orbit]

I'd rather commit Cuda if only for def fleet (and bkoz in shortage of Ryuusei, only 4 there)

But well

[hot creek]

Ryuusei on Hiryuu = you lose the mirror.

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

Need to farm more Ryusei

[shell heron]

haven't lost a mirror before that wasn't poor rng on barrages...while not paying attention

[hot creek]

You're going to lose a ton of damage to enemy VG.

[forest lake]

[hot creek]

Ryuuseis aren't necessary in a backline v backline situation anyways.

but you can decide yourself.

[shell heron]

or there's the weird option of using swordfish

that oddly worked against me sometimes

[vague token]

818? xD

[frail orbit]

Who tf used 818
Except Essex on mine but don't tell #gameplay-help plebs

[ripe latch]

[hot creek]

818 was a good option on Centaur before Formidable came.

[vague token]

i use 818 on formidable because i use her for utility

it still has ok crash damage

[sharp wing]

818 is for Akaga

Too bad they came to EN so fuccing late, lol

[vague token]

feels so weird having 5 move on these stages

[sharp wing]

speed depends on fleet speed

my kongous have 4 move

[vague token]

im using justice cat for +1

xD

[sharp wing]

damn Azuma main fleet farm ended so fast again didn't get single ship to even 90 aff

[vague token]

it's only 1.2 on main so it goes fast

[sharp wing]

yeah...

And running Cranes + Houshou main fleet for bosses

[vague token]

id be using shoukaku if i had money for LB

[sharp wing]

poor pleb

I had cranes MLB since after 1st event run

When i was buying damn purins from merit shop as soon, as i got merits

Don't do that, kids

[vague token]

im saving money to lb event since i just did all my money on builds on first day

[sharp wing]

Now i have constant 3 rows of purins

[vague token]

lel

[sharp wing]

This dumb MLB medals succ

[vague token]

it's the same as before xD

[sharp wing]

They succ in more than 1 way

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

Half of them are ugly and they need so much unneeded effort

[hot creek]

sticking ships in the dorm for a week isn't that much effort tho

[vague token]

i mean it's more like the cost a lot of gold cause we have 3 golds

and 2 purple xD

not even 1 blue

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/2688b16f1689166596eb30c45ec5ee4f

[forest lake]

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/f7b248d13a7c6597da87eb94900a5b7d

[coral wren]

Oh fuck

Welp rip this season

[forest lake]

1306 10/10

[shell heron]

you forgot about reset didn't you

1312 10/10

with somewhat casual sandbagging and rushed 3 resets

[forest lake]

What

Casual sandbagging

My luck must suck then

[shell heron]

by casual I mean I check every 2-3 hours vs every 10 minutes when I was neet

[empty grove]

[shell heron]

when you're a neet. you have more time on your hand than you think

[sharp wing]

Not when you have few other games to play

[shell heron]

that's why I play on 3 devices

[forest lake]

Casual

[vague token]

1306 10/10

event killed all the bonus points

[forest lake]

[ionic magnet]

1286 10/10 missed 4 charges

[sharp wing]

I missed more

[empty grove]

I'm casual

[vague token]

same

[zenith tundra]

i lost one this season. felt asleep while doing my attempts right before last maint

[ripe latch]

1 0/10

[zenith tundra]

noshito sl8 has crit on it finally

[hot creek]

noshito

not sure if typo or shots

[shy hazel]

losers losing charges

[lament lichen]

oh we finally have pr1 stuff in the medal exchange

[ripe latch]

[shell heron]

more sanrui bps

I already have her at fate5

[vague token]

same

[empty grove]

Can they put her skin in the exchange too

[shell heron]

[vague token]

bought noshiro, now the long grind

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

i'm leveling her but c2 xp is so bad...

[midnight heron]

how to farm d3 with those stupid eva requirements

[hot creek]

here is where your washing machines come in handy

oh, and a throwaway DD helps too

[zenith tundra]

3dd boss fleet and as many rudders as u have

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/EUkhq/48ebf0513e.png heres what im farming with rn

my 0LB McGall came in handy

[zenith tundra]

all i need is 3 rudders on 1st fleet but switched to c2 for suruga xp

[empty grove]

I was tossing stuff around on that before

I'll find the SS

A lot of that is placeholder but you can get a jist of oil cost

[meager dawn]

Is the bottom one mob

[empty grove]

Yeah

[meager dawn]

Does cassin survive through all the fights or not

[empty grove]

Boss was kinda ithy on auto

Depending on auto pattern

[hot creek]

how the heck are you guys 1:1'ing with non-zeppy carriers

[empty grove]

[meager dawn]

use BBV

[zenith tundra]

sara is not bad for solo cv

[empty grove]

A BM can still take FCR

Yeah

Sara is who I would have used

[hot creek]

Oh right, I forgot her skill is like a bootleg aux

[empty grove]

I'm using some scuffed triple DD setup for azuma exp atm

Shit is painful

[hot creek]

Glad I already did that during Atago xp buff. Now I sit back and relax with KMS backliners ez

[midnight heron]

meh guess i can only start oil saving when threat 0

[empty grove]

A lot of farming would be easier for me if I still had gunboats

Minus this ofc, since forced IJN

[meager dawn]

Are the enemies in this D3 harder than the ones in D3 pasta?

[empty grove]

Was that event level 102?

Can't even remember

[meager dawn]

Somewhere around that level I think

I think I have a pic of it iirc

[empty grove]

Hard to gauge for me since I haven't used a proper setup at safe yet

& I just manual the boss always to speed up clears

[meager dawn]

The enemies in pasta d3 are around lvl 102~ or so

[empty grove]

Ohh right

That had the tower defence thing right?

I did C2 on that

[meager dawn]

No that's a different event

[empty grove]

Really?

Thought they did it twice

[meager dawn]

Were you thinking of Ashen Simulacrum

With the moving enemies shit

Every move you make

[empty grove]

Yeah that event did have it

[ripe veldt]

everyone in top of leaderboard tryhard defense fleets

[empty grove]

Had those extra points for doing nothing once you hit safe

[zenith tundra]

yeah c2 was god tier points with bonus

[ripe veldt]

c2 optimal for this too unless you can somehow 1:1 d1

[zenith tundra]

in this one u get nothing

[empty grove]

C2 works out better if you go extreme lowcost

Like ranger/rare CL tier

[zenith tundra]

i'm only doing c2 because i can level suruga and noshiro in 1 fleet

but the xp is so bad

[empty grove]

I was planning on doing that but didn't get around to levelling Noshiro

[zenith tundra]

lvl 73 mlb noshiro can actually survive 2 elites and boss if lucky enough

[empty grove]

Is the clear speed ok on that?

[zenith tundra]

i would guess no if u plan to farm points but i only care about 50k+ and leveling ships

[empty grove]

If you were to manual torp nuke the sirens, can she actually kill?

[zenith tundra]

at level 73 she does like 1.3k max dmg on bb sirens and those have 30k+ hp.... maybe with 610 she can do better but far from killing stuff

[empty grove]

[zenith tundra]

c2 level is around 82. lvl 73 is quite under leveled

[empty grove]

I wish we got PR2 like a month earlier

Then I could have dropped like half a day & levelled her a bit

[hoary pasture]

i would mald so hard if 4 months from now, they release something with higher stats than fdg

[zenith tundra]

it wasn't that long in between ws kai and fdg even in jp cn

wouldn't be surprise if some other powercreep was released with pr3

[forest lake]

What was the gap between PR1 and PR2 and how long has CN/JP had PR2?

[meager dawn]

8 months?

[shy hazel]

en timeline was shorter

pr1 to 2 took a year in jp

[meager dawn]

We got PR2 at around 7 months after PR1

[forest lake]

EN is EN

[shy hazel]

because thats collab anniv

en took 7

i guess

[forest lake]

CN/JP took 8?

[shy hazel]

i need pr3 in 7 months

jp took 1 year

what

[forest lake]

Wwew

[shy hazel]

en is rushing

so yeah

[forest lake]

How long has PR2 been around then?

[meager dawn]

I thought you asked for how long they had PR2?

[forest lake]

I asked for both

[meager dawn]

[forest lake]

So 8 months yea?

[meager dawn]

8 months for how long they had it

1 year they got it after PR1

[forest lake]

So ye 4 months to PR3 I guess

[shy hazel]

[forest lake]

When EN has maxed FdG

[shy hazel]

well be getting pr3 with some azuma fdg at dev 25

if u dont cube comms

research

[forest lake]

Wait so far it's been 10 days since PR2 release

[meager dawn]

Watch some guy has everyone at PR2 at dev30 at like 3 months later

[forest lake]

And I know a guy with 40 FdG prints already

Say if he's getting 4 FdG prints/day

He could actually Dev30 FdG if he keeps going on this pace
If he gets DR prints from upcoming and current event shops that is

[shy hazel]

i mean why not

if he has the resource

i dont even have a single copy of them dr guns

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

do u do cubes a lot?

[forest lake]

No not me

A friend of mine

But I guess he does

[meager dawn]

What if your friend is this guy

[forest lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/607138324079181834/660766197016428546/unknown.png

He hasn't bought universals yet too

So technically 50 rn

[zenith tundra]

i was asking stella since he said he had no 457bps

[forest lake]

Oh

[shy hazel]

i do some cube ones

[meager dawn]

Is your friend just whaling everything

[shy hazel]

but ive been trying these q things

still 0 guns

[forest lake]

He's pretty f2p afaik

Lucsuc

[meager dawn]

How many coobs

[forest lake]

Holy shit never knew Slime FS5'd everything already

Dis whel fuq

[shy hazel]

why not

kinda dumb tho

[meager dawn]

He FS5'd everything in august

[shy hazel]

cos will get more dupes anyways

[forest lake]

I mean he's a big whel

He just throws money at whatever

Quick drills even

[meager dawn]

Watch as slime has everyone from PR2 at Dev30 3 months later

[forest lake]

Ye he spent money for Quick Drills to get Ping Hai

[meager dawn]

he what

[forest lake]

Yes he did

Tho he said he was drunk

[zenith tundra]

[zenith tundra]

don't want to whale for ships afterwards so gonna use cubes only if lucky with builds

[meager dawn]

I remember when twi spent 12k gems just for 1 essex

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

iirc

he didnt even get essex

[meager dawn]

Apparently he did get essex

Just 1 tho

[shy hazel]

after 2k cubes

[forest lake]

Now I feel a little better for spending 400

[shy hazel]

my highest was 800

for a stupid china ship

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

im always just

[zenith tundra]

i think my most was around 300 for z46

[shy hazel]

100% or quit

[meager dawn]

I think the most cubes I spent was for amagi

Not sure since I have <100 coobs most of the time

[zenith tundra]

le malin was a bitch too for me since i already had almost everything and spent like 150 on her

[upper sparrow]

has anyone here test noshiro on pvp?

[ripe veldt]

noone has skills maxed

[forest lake]

Who would even have her skills maxed and at acceptable levels by now

[ripe veldt]

theres no point testing without skills maxed

lol

[forest lake]

I would try her but I just got her

Maybe give me 5 days

Lul

[ripe veldt]

you can test with like 8/8 on skills maybe

but you'd still need 2-3 more days for that

[zenith tundra]

i'm maxing yellow skill which doesn't really help for non torp memes comps

[elder crane]

Blue skiil first for me since that's what matters for mobbing
But I'm waiting on pts to mlb her....
Should be able to get 16k for 2LB today

[ripe veldt]

what would be optimal anyways

hydraulic + oxy?

since barrage features torps

[forest lake]

Try and error I guess

[elder crane]

You don't care about barrage torps

Those do minimal damage

[forest lake]

Like how you don't on Ykkz

[ripe veldt]

she still has a torp buff

so oxytorp on a % increase makes sense

[elder crane]

Yes
If you oxytorp her, it's for normal torps
Not barrage torps

[forest lake]

You'd be whiffing those barrage torps 99% of the time anyway

[elder crane]

Barrage torps are worse than ykkz, and since CL gun, you can't even spam them

Anyways, I'm going to start w a defensive rudder+engine

[ripe veldt]

o

hows her barrage damage

[forest lake]

Should I even consider Tears for a Noshiro Ibuki Ykkz squad

[ripe veldt]

the pew pews not the torps

[elder crane]

Unless you 4 oxytorp, idk why not tears

[forest lake]

Idk I figured you'd go Boiler+FE on Ykkz
x2 Oxy for Buki

[elder crane]

Gunfire is almost sendai-class level

[forest lake]

Maybe Boiler+Tears for Noshi I guess

[elder crane]

Overall, her barrage dmg is about 2/3 that of Neptune

[forest lake]

Just go usual Belgun on her

[ripe veldt]

belgun

[elder crane]

Which is very excellent
Just not relevant in PvP really

[zenith tundra]

seattle gun...

[forest lake]

Unless you big luccsacc and some how gotten Scuttle gun already

[elder crane]

No Seattle gun yet :P

[forest lake]

I doubt anyone even has it by now

[elder crane]

Though by the time you 120 her, maybe?

[forest lake]

It's just been 10 days

[elder crane]

I'm at, what, 8/25 currently

[zenith tundra]

i have 6 and want more tbh

[ripe veldt]

maybe cube analysis people

[forest lake]

I'm at 6/25 I think

[zenith tundra]

cubes don't give good equip bps

[forest lake]

Most I saw was 10

[elder crane]

Cubes = no equip prints

[ripe veldt]

oh right its 25 nvm

[forest lake]

No way someone already has it

[elder crane]

So actually very much not cube ppl

[forest lake]

I think FG spams Q

[elder crane]

I think maybe possible to get ~20/25 right now
But that's spamming Q projects with luck on 30 min Q, and equipment print distribution

[forest lake]

He should have at most 15

[zenith tundra]

i would use rudder boiler on her to make a 2nd yuki

[elder crane]

That's my thought too

[forest lake]

Idk I'm planning to use Noshi Buki Ykkz for memes

[elder crane]

Something like 10-15% less eHP than ykkz with that setup

[shy hazel]

oops

razed my bb affection to 0

[forest lake]

Who was it

[meager dawn]

How tf

[zenith tundra]

850 ranks for a +1

[upper sparrow]

[shy hazel]

pretty normal for the pop

[zenith tundra]

i'm surprised because i'm 1 attempt behind and still rank 1 at the time was 30pts behind

[elder crane]

Same here, this season is scuffed from event/winter holiday it seems

[sharp wing]

We actually getting seattle skin

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

kind of late for a xmas skin...

[past egret]

The Seattle skin has a Georgia face cookie

I don’t even own Seattle but..

https://youtu.be/KJUDogCaTXI

[valid stirrup]

i notice, a buncha people r using lusty in pvp now. is there some shift or something? her shield is pretty interesting

[vague token]

i was thinking about trying lusty/amagi/suruga with a dps vanguard

using noshiro and someone

[past egret]

Worth testing?

day 5 without seeing maxed WarKai btw

[vague token]

no juneau/10

[elder crane]

not-even-good-torpmemes/10

[vague token]

i dont believe in ayayaya over jintsuu and another torp cl for torp memes

15% damage amp too tasty

[past egret]

Aight thanks

[past egret]

Best secondary for Bismarck?
And what’s the best gun for Prinz main gun?

[vague token]

seattle gun once you get it, nepgun might work but it works weird with the range boost

[elder crane]

CAs ofc run HE guns, either core data or PR is probably fine

[vague token]

although prinz is basically incapable of doing damage

xD

https://gyazo.com/ec34fbebf0991403bef74685992c9e04

such rename

[meager dawn]

Best tierlist

[sharp wing]

[past egret]

@elder crane there is a core data CA gun?

The one meant for Thotago?

[vague token]

that one is ok but sanrui gun is better

[past egret]

Sanrui?

[elder crane]

tbh idk for PvP
CA gun angles means it fires not that often, and the no3 does have more volley damage than the mle

[past egret]

Sorry am noob

[elder crane]

PR CA HE gun = Sanrui (Saint Louis) Gun = Mle (CA, 203)

[midnight heron]

does 8hr fdg research > gets only 2 dr bp scam

[vague token]

it's like 2 degrees difference

meanwhile sanrui gun has 5 more range (to at least attempt to target something)

and takes less time to dump all the shots

to try again

[past egret]

So ST Lou gun best for Prinz?

[vague token]

oh and less spread

[past egret]

And eventually to be replaced by Seattle

[vague token]

seattle gun is a cl gun

[past egret]

ok

[covert schooner]

Is the current pinnacle of pvp nagato, amagi, fdg, juneau, sandykai and azuma?

[vague token]

you dont have 4 ijn in that so you'd use ykk not sandy

[covert schooner]

ight thanks-

[vague token]

hmm, is hibiki just a fancier version of cassin/downes

eg has double torpedo

[zenith tundra]

would u pick hibiki over cassin/downes kai? she is less tanky and lower heal while costing more and being a torp ship with bad gun dmg

[vague token]

i wouldnt personally

she's just fancier/shinier

maybe if the other ships in her division had zombie skills but they dont

[zenith tundra]

she would be the tank in the formation still

[vague token]

but yeah i wouldnt use her xD

[zenith tundra]

they could've at least give her her own barrage

[vague token]

although i find it hilarious that the akatsuki class barrage is the brooklyn class barrage but dd gun pellets

[finite valve]

just notice but wtf is the fleet lock function?

[elder crane]

means you enter straight into a battle after encountering enemy, without a confirmation page where you can swap ship positions and change fleet formation

[zenith tundra]

it just skips the screen u see in between map and battle where u can switch ships around

[elder crane]

skips this page

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

it makes afk farming way easier since u only need 1 click in between battles

i wonder if they will add skip end screen results too. i never really pay attention to that while farming

[valid stirrup]

Purple aviation fuel extremely good for cvs in pvp? Sincr it is highlighted green on the tier list

[elder crane]

It and the beacon are about-tied for BiS offensive aux
situationally-dependent which is better (or run both for full-offensive setup)

[vague token]

fuel gets you more crash damage

bacon makes your airstrikes hit earlier

[valid stirrup]

What makes for a solid backline in defense, if no namagi?

I know that people r curbstomping my very squishy backline of hiryuu+foxes

[vague token]

i mean hiryuu/akaga is basically rush down or die xD

adding amagi to most fleets greatly boosts your durability

[elder crane]

Suruga can be your budget amagi, maybe

[valid stirrup]

If only namagi weren't time limited

[elder crane]

not sure if she's good enough for that role

[vague token]

well, in foxes suruga should be ok

but it's kinda clashing styles

[valid stirrup]

Is hood actually that good for pvp defense? Her barrage seems like it misses a bunch tho

[elder crane]

WSret is your best bet if you managed to pick up her event sword-token

[vague token]

hood is not good, that was like launch of game good

xD

[elder crane]

Hood is outdated at this point

she's still okay I suppose

[valid stirrup]

Eh, warspite works enuf for pvp defense?

[vague token]

if that's what you have, yeah. warspite/foxes should be able to take someone low enough

not regular ws though

you need retro

[valid stirrup]

Just like 20 more levels, then i don't have to keep losing like 1k ranks every single refresh

[ionic magnet]

pvp def has nothing to do with your rank though

thats why very few ppl bother to put up real def fleets
btw only legit def comp is namaryuu

but even that isnt that good anymore so

[valid stirrup]

Yea, i need a better offense cuz that fleet still givs me big cancer

Jun's martyr skill been saving my ass so much ykk would be so nice to throw into my fleet once she is done. Would i replace zara or sanrui dev30 with ykk?

[ionic magnet]

its jun+ykkz+flex slot

sanrui as 3rd ig

shields aren't that useful in pvp

[vague token]

pvp shields should block arcing xD

[ionic magnet]

just wait pr3 shield

[elder crane]

ehh, Warkai teams on def are actually pretty hard to deal with for slightly off-meta stuff
e.g. FC actually has some trouble with Warkai teams without own warkai to race theirs or Hiryuu to loltank her

[ionic magnet]

well not having warkai will be rough on any comp

except ofc for our classic cancer namaryuu

[sharp wing]

lol, we use kansen in AL now...

[elder crane]

I'm using Hiryuu FC and it works just as well on offense as anything basically

[vague token]

good old english localization team

meanwhile whoever does the skill descriptions needs to be slapped

[vague token]

good old syanda and his dedication to kms fleet

[shy hazel]

en players are nazi admirers

ridiculous how bismarck is top 1

when shes enty clone

and is useless

[vague token]

she isnt useless

she's just adding an MGM+1 cl to your main fleet

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

a very oil costly mgm+1 ;)

[past egret]

destiny always arrives

Anyone have Azuma or FDG past 10 yet

[vague token]

lol no

[hot creek]

I have both past 10 if I redeem shop prints

[empty grove]

Think my Azuma is 10

FDG is like just over 9

[coral wren]

Noone has updated the doc yet, right? For the items from pr2 we should look for

Ye, it's not updated

[valid stirrup]

At what dev level does fdg really become useable for pvp stuff

[ripe latch]

25

or 30

[coral wren]

[past egret]

Someone used her at dev 15

I mean you can do that if you enjoy making yourself suffer

[coral wren]

dev 30 gives mgm+1

yeah, that's gonna take a while

[past egret]

Long run boys

[vague token]

i thought fdg got mgm+1 early?

[zenith tundra]

dev 10

[vague token]

oh she gets 10 and 30

i think if you just pretend she is a bb portland she will work at dev 25 xD

[zenith tundra]

fdg by dev 25 should be better then almost anything but amagi and ws kai in pvp

[ripe latch]

[zenith tundra]

this seems to work really well with dev 25 fdg. u have enough dmg in between fdg/amagi and ws kai to easily snipe 1 opponent

the only problem i have with this is the heavy overlap of the mg shoots

no matter what gun u use they all pretty much go 1 after another

[vague token]

is fdg better side?

[zenith tundra]

fdg is hiryuu in namaryuu

she tanks the worse spot

i was testing against this

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

with nagato it feels like the mg shoot are very different since amagi goes off on her fast 1st cycle and nagato is right before fdg without overlapping

[vague token]

gotcha

[zenith tundra]

for barrages purposes fdg whatever she is top mid or bot doesn't change much. top would be the spot where her barrage has least chances to hit vg but the strong part always hits opponent opposite backline

[vague token]

ah

[lament lichen]

Dam u guys have alot of bps

All i get is the Q ones

[forest lake]

Just flex us with your rainbow guns

[hot creek]

how many rainbow gun you have?

[forest lake]

inb4 0

[lament lichen]

I only have 2 bp of the trashcan aa gun

[hot creek]

oOF

[zenith tundra]

still waiting on 1st

this gun is dumb to get

[forest lake]

This JP flex

[zenith tundra]

anti flex u mean... i still don't have 1

[forest lake]

[vague token]

who thought it was a good idea to have 50 bps for an already rare drop

=/

[forest lake]

Devs

[hot creek]

is the gun even that good?

[zenith tundra]

reason dr and rainbow gun exist is to give people enough stuff to do in between pr seasons

[vague token]

i mean yeah

you'll get 1 rainbow gun before pr3

maybe

xD

[zenith tundra]

with the proto shop i'm actually wondering if i get 1 457 before fdg dev 30

[vague token]

but georgia gun should be better in any scenario you use izumo gun

it shoots like 4 seconds faster

[zenith tundra]

i would use 457 on fdg in cancer 3.0 on fdg. it's also bis for ws kai

namagi is still barrage reliant so i wouldn't use it on namaryuu

[vague token]

plus those armor ratios are just straight upgrades of ap

55/145/125 lol

and according to wiki table it has more aoe?

it says 16 splash range lol

but the rest are 15

weird

[zenith tundra]

it's still ap splash so for pvp it's not that good since u still hit for nothing on vg outside of azuma

[vague token]

i mean you still lose less damage compared to regular ap xD

[past egret]

Remember how I made those pvp videos

[empty grove]

[hot creek]

lmao

AL esports srs bsns

[ripe latch]

[keen sparrow]

[midnight heron]

cant believe i just found out u cant stack rudder funny how i never tried

[forest lake]

[meager dawn]

apparently you can't even stack camos now

[zenith tundra]

u can still use 1 of each blue eva gear

[meager dawn]

yeah but rip new players

[hot creek]

Yeah I found that odd. Wasn't sure if it was always like that. I just ended up using a camo and a blue rudder lol same effect

[zenith tundra]

i don't remember if it used to be unique

[meager dawn]

It wasn't.

You used to be able to stack that

[zenith tundra]

when did they even change that...

[meager dawn]

dunno

I saw some guy mention it in #gameplay-help

[midnight heron]

interesting lul

i rmb being able to stack the blue gear as well

[inner zenith]

@zenith tundra ppl here have said lvl 10 dev lvl azuma is ok to use but isn't mg+1 dev lvl 5

isn't that the main thing that matters

[zenith tundra]

i would wait for dev 15 for extra def stats.
mgm by itself doesn't give her all that much. she still lacks stats and efficiencies and def stats at dev 5

[inner zenith]

600 hp and some AA :v

[zenith tundra]

600 hp is 1404 in pvp due to scaling

[inner zenith]

oh

[ionic magnet]

@zenith tundra can you stack camos in jp?

is this a bug or smth

[zenith tundra]

nope

[ionic magnet]

oh ninja patch then

[zenith tundra]

yeah i don't remember this in any patch notes

[vague token]

wait what

you cant use double camo? xD

[ionic magnet]

yea idk since when

[meager dawn]

Not anymore

[ionic magnet]

but i ditched all my blue wheels cos we can stack camos before

[meager dawn]

0 idea when that happened

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

that must have been like just a bit ago

cause i was definitely closing the evasion requirement with double camo

oh but it hasnt unequipped anyone

but it definitely isnt applying the stats

[zenith tundra]

possible last patch too. someone would've noticed before if it was more then a month ago

[vague token]

no it was a ninja patch less than a day ago

https://gyazo.com/cfb788a728ac87be55b130fd94ada218

notice the evasion

it was definitely super recent

[ionic magnet]

oh didnt even get unequipped

[zenith tundra]

i don't thin they could patch and unequip all ships just like that

[vague token]

oh you know what, they have to be planning on a gold camo

because you can equip two blue wheels

[meager dawn]

Bruh what about the purple camo

[vague token]

they have literally the same stats so there's no reason to make camo unique

unless they plan on introducing an upgraded camo

[meager dawn]

Camo kai

[zenith tundra]

is it known what is the new core data item?

[vague token]

no idea, im just guessing

why would blue wheel not be special

when it gives the same stats xD

[meager dawn]

Wasn't that in the datamine for this event?

[ionic magnet]

can stack wheels?

lol

[vague token]

yes

[meager dawn]

Unless there's another new core data item

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/518c12acaef17e5da410d5265b98981e

[ionic magnet]

definitely a bug then

[zenith tundra]

if u can stack wheels means it might be a bug

[vague token]

note the 34

xD

[ionic magnet]

well someone already reported it just now

lets see

[granite flame]

#media-content i think i found my pvp clickbait title

[zenith tundra]

there is no reason why u can stack wheels and not camos

[granite flame]

whale hunting

[vague token]

yeah

[granite flame]

[vague token]

unless a) camo is getting a secret skill

b) higher tier camo with said skill

and thus c) they dont want it to stack

xD

or the obvious one: someone screwed up

;)

[meager dawn]

But can't they just make the skill not stack with itself

Like they do with basically every equip that has a skill

[zenith tundra]

Soul of the Marinières (Camo) that's jp patch name of the new core data item

[meager dawn]

Does it have just stats

[ionic magnet]

whats that new camo do

[zenith tundra]

i have no clue

[meager dawn]

Power creep camo

[ionic magnet]

i think i saw that in datamine but didnt pay attention cos its 🚮

[zenith tundra]

maybe a purple or gold camo that gives eva

do u have the link to that?

[meager dawn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EQPH7w_7TKVpXfYmRGTlgvS7jVt_T1HOAiRKM7jhrNY/htmlview?sle=true

[vague token]

lol the loading screen

[granite flame]

new camo?

[ionic magnet]

oh yea its has better stats atleast

[granite flame]

18 evasion

100 health

ehhh

[ionic magnet]

^

[vague token]

wait that's it?

like what

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

[vague token]

it has 1 more evade and 56 more hp

[meager dawn]

That's what the datamine says

[vague token]

who would even buy that

[granite flame]

bro the guy who made this sheet

"look at bellfast tiddies"

LMFAO

[vague token]

literally 0 people would ever use that

[granite flame]

what a guy

[zenith tundra]

maybe if u are new

[vague token]

you wouldnt burn 800 core data on that

even if you're new

or even 400

[ionic magnet]

even updated just to add belfast screen lmao

[vague token]

how much are purples?

[zenith tundra]

maybe is only 500

[granite flame]

"Well, good news is that I GOT ALL THE EVENT SHIPS WITHOUT SUFFERING FOR ONCE BLESS BELFAST TIDDIES"

bro