pvp

[forest lake]

Blue

Would you use x2 Toolbox?

[finite valve]

gold tool box when lol

[vague token]

id use the conversion gear

and then slap on like 3% dr or damage

[elder crane]

Can't, cvl

[forest lake]

The Hololive one?

[vague token]

yeah

[forest lake]

Ah right

[elder crane]

Oh, that one

[vague token]

it's 550 right?

yeah

[elder crane]

Yeah

[finite valve]

yeh

[vague token]

and then you can just give her 3% more damage

[elder crane]

Her damage is only slightly better than Uni anyways
Losing the AS and plane AA might be painful though?

[forest lake]

CVL can use x2 Toolbox too

just checked wiki

[elder crane]

Toolbox is universal

Anyone can do 2

[vague token]

im pretty sure blue thought i meant armor

[elder crane]

Repair ship can do 3

[vague token]

at first

[elder crane]

But lol

[forest lake]

[elder crane]

Yeah, "conversion"

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Obviously armor plate, right?

[vague token]

;)

[elder crane]

Converts to heavy

[forest lake]

Oh right Vh

[elder crane]

Except ofc can't use on CVL

[vague token]

no one ever thinks about the faction converters ;)

[forest lake]

And the convertor

[vague token]

cause kizuna has literally 0 gear synergy with it

[elder crane]

It's 650 HP too which would be great (?)

[forest lake]

That's like +1300

[elder crane]

But yeah
If you only heal one VG without 3 main fleet, she also beats out the CVL healers

[vague token]

or i guess you could use the corn lantern for 3% dr

but 3% damage is probably better

[elder crane]

With 2 VG, total healing is less unless you bring DD, but distribution is better

[forest lake]

I mean I have a couple instances where my VG is just plain full HP and Uni heals for basically nothing

So having the distribution is definitely something

[elder crane]

With 3 main, her healing is better usually unless 3 Vanguards, which then is a bit worse than usual CVL healer in total unless DD, but with better distribution of heal

[forest lake]

I'll prolly replace her on my W13 mob fleet

[vague token]

basically, if you're using roon/azuma/saint louis vg you can use unicorn xD

[forest lake]

I have Akashi as a pseudo healer so I guess

[elder crane]

The question is if she's worth the oil/loss of Vanguard reload buff compared to uni
Or oil and loss of damage compared to Shouhou

[vague token]

just auto sub

[elder crane]

I think she's not worth unless you're sure her heal is significantly better

[vague token]

the solo sub

[forest lake]

Does Vestal have Reload command?

[elder crane]

No

[vague token]

what's her name

[elder crane]

Only Akashi

[forest lake]

Guess I'm in luck that I raised Akashi then

[vague token]

u-47 with ryuuhou active should be fine

and budget friendly

[elder crane]

Yeah, Vestal's niche just got a lot narrower

Or Akashi's too tbh

[vague token]

i mean vestal still has 4 aa guns

[sacred oracle]

Other than minimizing oil cost, when is Vestal better than Akashi when you need a repair ship?

Oh

[vague token]

akashi and vestal both have aagm+1

but vestal is easier to fit 3 pr air radars on

since akashi scales of her own hp

[sacred oracle]

Ah

[vague token]

honestly you'll probably only use vestal or ryuuhou

cause ammo+1 utility

and the triple heal box

not so much the healing

vestal is just about making anyone into a zombie

or you could just run both for big healing

;)

[hoary pasture]

my dickpicks kinu, let's see if i can make her good by running her with jintsuu kai and noshiro

it's the hat, gets me everytime

dont even want to lewd her, just her hat

[coral wren]

lewding the hat

thats new

[frail orbit]

I'd rather get smothered by FDG Mamagi and Suruga def fleet anyway

[coral wren]

So what's the consensus on Suruga?

[forest lake]

Wide barrage pattern, eliminates the chance to snipe one ship out

Best to wait and see

[karmic forum]

Wait until SL10

[coral wren]

So like Nagato/Mutsu's barrage?

[shy hazel]

get smothered by the hat

[elder crane]

Like KGV if I had to compare

[coral wren]

Nagato/Suruga/Mutsu T0 when?

[elder crane]

2/6/2 spread it seems
With a wide-spread pellet portion

She's worse off than KGV though since Nagato competes for flag

[vague token]

she's better without nagato probably

[coral wren]

Does Suruga need to be flag?

[vague token]

as 2nd defensive booster

like ws/amagi/suruga

xD

[frail orbit]

Better use her as a def fleet probably

[vague token]

ws focuses top with amagi, swaps to bottom with suruga, all while benefiting from huge ehp boost

[frail orbit]

Unless SL10 said otherwise

[elder crane]

Also, Noshino looks interesting too
She's like only 15% less eHP than ykkz, and has Jintsuu levels of damage and buffs

[karmic forum]

No but her barrage deals the most damage as flag

[elder crane]

Not by that much

[frail orbit]

Noshiro obviously torpmeme ideals
Sad she doesn't have oppai as big as her sister tho

[vague token]

although i guess you could do suruga mid ws bottom

[coral wren]

I resent the fact that Amagi is still so vital for PvP.

[forest lake]

I'm currently raising Suruga half heartedly

So I guess I'll give her a shot

[elder crane]

Suruga can be your budget amagi

[frail orbit]

Mine raising Suruga and Ryuuhou anyway

[forest lake]

But I don't have red books to raise her skill fast so

Yea I don't have Amagi
But Amagi rerun is coming in a couple months

[coral wren]

They need to double the drop rate for red.

Or stop making all the skills red.

[frail orbit]

Still waiting for Noshiro . . .

[forest lake]

Imma make Nagato Suruga Hiryuu Noshiro Ibuki Ykkz for lulz

[hoary pasture]

isnt aid raids gonna come before amagi rerun?

my drill is nice and ready for essex, gonna DRILL her into the ground

[forest lake]

Air raids is just way behind schedule now

[shy hazel]

devs dont hve enuf intelligence to fix skill imbalance

[forest lake]

But eventually I guess

[frail orbit]

Well
Drilling with Georgie + Essex + Enty

[shy hazel]

drilling what

[hoary pasture]

you're gonna drill essex using essex?

[karmic forum]

Raid boss essex

[frail orbit]

Gonna drill their hole hard then suck their oppai in 4some drill guys on PVP with em

[forest lake]

[frail orbit]

Sad still
Georgie snipe aint a real snipe like Wakai snipe tho

[coral wren]

Ark Royal retro when?

[vague token]

arizona retro first

the worst healer

[frail orbit]

Arizona not even healer
She's leaking unhealthy fuel anyway

[coral wren]

Ark Royal needs a skill that doubles her aviation when in a fleet with three destroyers, and immediately launches an air strike whenever a destroyer is dropped below 20% HP or sinks.

[frail orbit]

3 DD already kek tho

[shy hazel]

in a way u can says that

arizona leaks her liquids alot

[frail orbit]

Like how
Nowadays we used YKKZ Jun XX slot ehh

Except for some makeshift HMS where we could just use Nepnod Siri Aurora but that's for 2CV/3CV and not even DD keks

[coral wren]

TBH there needs to be a ship that neutralizes healing effects in order to reduce the use of such cookie cutter fleets.

[karmic forum]

Maybe a skill that silences the activation of other skills. Doesn't sound like something that fits regular ships.

[hot creek]

Sounds like something that shouldn't belong on any ship

But if such an op skill were to exist. You can bet your ass it would be on team IJN.

[coral wren]

Any good skill will be on ijn ship

[sharp wing]

Waiting on that Shinano w/ eHP relative to FdG

double cv stall

[hot creek]

waiting for them to turn Iowa into a loli

[sharp wing]

Commit unlyfe

[smoky elk]

Shinano is 71k tons CVL

[sharp wing]

She is Yamato's sister

[coral wren]

Yeah, make your bets on will iowa be just a map cleaner for pve

[smoky elk]

She has less aircraft-capacity than Ryuujo, a 8k tons CVL

[coral wren]

Or will chinks get some balls to make it a decent ship to rival with amagi

[smoky elk]

[sharp wing]

Shinano is all about THICC

[forest lake]

[sharp wing]

Wonder if she will be even shown in event

this new Z bote...

[vague token]

kinda bummed we got no new gear in the event shop

[sharp wing]

We got Oni waifus, you shall fall on yr knees and thank devs

Also where is Mommy skin

[smoky elk]

Janr 8th

[shell heron]

watch it be like ibuki skin where it was released mid summer

[shy hazel]

shinano sunk the same day she was released

why expect something from a loser ship

[sharp wing]

If you are loser, doesn't mean everyone else is loser.

Get real

[shy hazel]

youre the only loser here sagitits

[sharp wing]

You can try to persuade yrself all you want

We all know the truth

[shy hazel]

yes we all know the truth that u is loser

i kind of want to meme in gamefeed

ppl ask why our timer is longer

i say they made it longer in en

to punish ppl who complained about kinu refit and fdg costume missing

[coral wren]

go for it

if admins or mods will say anything just tell em they are in full damage control mode

[shy hazel]

they are sensitive id get a major offense of 'inciting'

[coral wren]

uhh, well, i guess

So will Noshiro replace the cruiser spot in PvP?

[shy hazel]

noshiro is a side grade

possibly torp memes

but not true meta

[coral wren]

so bel is still better?

[shy hazel]

only true vg meta is azuma ykkz jun

[coral wren]

Don't have sanrui at dev 30 or azuma obviously

[shy hazel]

bel is old but usable

[coral wren]

most people have sanrui at dev 30 I guess?

[midnight heron]

just use sandy to counter those cv plebs

[shy hazel]

all ppl i know has full d30 pr1s

[coral wren]

I never did a single coin research

until a month ago

Pretty much always lacking in coins

[midnight heron]

ppl with all dev30 r the minority bruh

[shell heron]

noshiro just seems to make torp meme more meme

[shy hazel]

poor poor minority

[shell heron]

Jintsuu can't buff buki, Jintsuu 2.0 can now

[coral wren]

How about warspite based offensive set up? I am bored of hiryuu

[shy hazel]

wskai is meant for offense

just dump hiryuu and thats it

if u want to

[midnight heron]

just bring ibuki jintsuu noshiro and u basically get supertorps

[shy hazel]

same old ships

[coral wren]

so still nagato and amagi though?

[shy hazel]

yea

[coral wren]

that's how it is? ok

[shy hazel]

hms is still

inferior to ijn

[coral wren]

Thought it would've been better to run enty essex or something with warspite

[shy hazel]

big mo

no

lol

enty essex will never have resurgence

until a true uss leadship appears

[shell heron]

namagi + WSkai is still great for offense. Amagi just isn't at full power because no 4 IJN ships...Until Azuma becomes usable

[midnight heron]

its prob still usable but beware of

[coral wren]

is warspite better than hiryuu on offense?

[shy hazel]

i mean using cv will just mean enemy wskai ganking your cv fast

unless its hiryuu

[midnight heron]

its better as long as u dont miss ur opening despacito

but at least if u miss u can call an early reset

[shell heron]

usually hits

[coral wren]

I ran hiryuu cuz i didn't want to reset

[midnight heron]

rather than wait 10 years to see if hiryuu procs early

[shell heron]

unless you're running black and white shells or something

[midnight heron]

i been running rudder sg and still occasionally get 1 miss

2 miss is rare but still can happen

[coral wren]

are you not supposed to run shells in PvP?

[midnight heron]

less hit = more chance to miss on high eva backline like hiryuu (with amagi buff)

[shell heron]

I came to like more def aux gear over pure off

unless we get that 2nd HSFCR

[midnight heron]

we can wait forever

[forest lake]

Would Vh or Rudder give more eHP to Hiryuu?

[frail orbit]

Ain't it better to just slap 1 slot for octane fuel, and another one for a bacon/anything?

[sharp wing]

no def item is meme

[forest lake]

Yea 1 Gasoline

Not sure if Rudder/Vh for the other

[sharp wing]

I prefer rudder for evades

[forest lake]

I just wanna be as tanky as possible

[sharp wing]

I used Taihoe anyway, so there were no question about VH

[frail orbit]

How about a beaver tho keks

[sharp wing]

beaver too

since relative lose of eva for hiryuu in beaver to rudder will be much less, compared to other main

cause base Eva much higher

[midnight heron]

ive still gotten hit tons of times going full eva before (beaver + rudder) during testing so take dat however u will

makes u question how some hiryuus can dodge almost everything

was before retro btw

[shell heron]

I tried VH. rudder performs much better

I just need a few more rudders for everyone else now

[forest lake]

Yea I need to spare some Rudders too since I'm too lazy to switch around

guess I'll go with vh for now

[coral wren]

perhaps double sg helps overcome eva stacking

[vague token]

vh only works with rudder

[forest lake]

wat

Imma just go check armor mods

[vague token]

like, the goal of vh only really works with rudder

[midnight heron]

it works to prevent instakills

[forest lake]

Ah ic

[vague token]

like running vh with no evasion boost basically just trades damage reduction for getting hit more

[forest lake]

So Hiryuu Vh Rudder then?

Or Rudder Gasoline

[vague token]

and unfortunately getting hit more has a larger weight of damage than vh

rudder/gas or vh+rudder are fine

one is more aggressive

so just run what you prefer

[forest lake]

ightt

[vague token]

i personally use vh/rudder amagi xD

[midnight heron]

[shy hazel]

[frail orbit]

Meanwhile lemme just use Mamagi on def with Beaver+Rudder keks

VH really makes some things better when the opponent is HE

Wakai with Izumo gun tho

[vague token]

just wait 3 months for rainbow gun

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

i think i have 0 georgia gun bps

xD

[shy hazel]

i have 0 on all new guns

[zenith tundra]

i need another 7 to make 1st. maybe by february i'll finish it

[vague token]

i got 1 fdg gun bp, 1 seattle gun bp, and 3 azuma gun bps

[ionic magnet]

jesus 33 hrs more for B/D maps

[zenith tundra]

i'm so tired of farming c3

[hot creek]

yeah shitty time gate

[midnight heron]

just let us do sp day 1

[shy hazel]

no

theyll run out of contents fast

[empty grove]

Every event is copy & paste anyway

[zenith tundra]

then why bother time gating it...

[empty grove]

Good question

I dipped on the event & just levelled suruga

[midnight heron]

doesnt help dat with pr2 u gotta farm more points just to get dem bp milestone reward

[shy hazel]

lemme steal that

and make it rainbow

[zenith tundra]

also to clear shop is twice the amount of other events

[midnight heron]

u dont hav to clear it tho cuz most of it is bloated by dupe ships

[zenith tundra]

yes but if u want to clear shop now u have to be a top farmer

[midnight heron]

no average player is gonna buy those 4 extra noshiro/kinu unless they rly desperate for bulins

[zenith tundra]

i think they should discount the coppies

[midnight heron]

yea lul

[zenith tundra]

like 1st 8k coppies 4k each

at the very least

[hot creek]

Im only gonna do 50k

for the milestone DR. Clearing shop is the most pointless thing ever.

[zenith tundra]

i'll farm as much as my oil holds

[midnight heron]

i'd be happy if i can even break 40k lul

[empty grove]

If the gacha fucked someone like it fucked me, you wont need many copies

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't buy copies unless i got everything else in the shop. i save purins and bullins for a reason

[empty grove]

It's like 116k for everything in the shop this time

Goes beyond the 100k

[zenith tundra]

40k only noshiro with her dupes

[empty grove]

It is a nice change for people who hard farm tho

Better than having like 50k points sitting there

[inner zenith]

owo

[shy hazel]

i find this login screen

in poor taste lol

ijn major event but kms kimonos

[coral wren]

Setting up your own login screen would be a neat feature. Along with loading screens

[forest lake]

#game-feedback

[coral wren]

Many already sent it there back when there was some boat with large bust

Nbdy gives a fuck

[shell heron]

Famine. You're one of the small handful that actually farms past 100k

[elder crane]

dw I pulled noshiro anyways

pulled one of each of the 5 in cons

[past egret]

Just found a artifact

1st pvp season Washington lmao

Tied for rank 10 with another guy

No one had Fleet admiral at the end of the season either

Not 1st, second my bad

Right after the VDIR event ended

[zenith tundra]

old pvp ui somehow still better then new one

[inner zenith]

OwO

[elder crane]

I lost a lot of my old ss when I broke my old phone, sadly
this is the earliest PvP ss I have left, Dec_8_2018

[forest lake]

Already Lv87

[sharp wing]

4 months

[blazing scroll]

pre lvl100 levels are easy to get

[sharp wing]

NA servers launched in August

[elder crane]

yo, fml
1038 points, so I want a +11 so the next match is a +12
instead I get a +12 from a person 100 ranks below me, and now I just get a +10 since I ranked into admiral ranks

[vague token]

rip

[lean geode]

how do I get two more points

[shell heron]

Ever heard of sandbagging. We fight people that moved for bonus points

For every single match possible

[lean geode]

I’ve heard of it but I don’t really understand it

[midnight heron]

dont bother with top rank and just rush

[shell heron]

But the gist of it is only fight those that looked like they did all their matches first.

Or just rush. Much less stressful

Sandbagging is also known as camping

[sharp wing]

more like sandbegging

[midnight heron]

lmao dis is some useless juneau

[lament lichen]

[midnight heron]

hiryuu already ded and jintsuu+yuki die before her

[shell heron]

please move so I can get that +1

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

how many matches though

[lament lichen]

Looks like my junny every time

[sharp wing]

That is one strong willed girl

[finite valve]

i am just here waiting for the day when jesus kai is a thing so that she become unkillable

oathed jesus = useless jesus

[ionic magnet]

meanwhile im here just waiting for a junie skin

[vague token]

they can never acknowledge her, otherwise they have to acknowledge pvp

inb4 it cost 5 million merits

[ionic magnet]

they did try with suruga

its just a matter of time

[vague token]

that was hardly an acknowledgement

~20 extra pellets is lul

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

just give us a Savior skin or something for juneau then sanrui can have one that's like her knight or w/e

then just toss juneau's skin in merit shop for a ton of merits xD

done ez

[coral wren]

🤠

Yo pvp nerds

I got a question

What is the optimal gear loadout for Noshiro?

[midnight heron]

no white gear

[coral wren]

Thank you captain obvious

But no

[midnight heron]

u didnt get the joke

[coral wren]

Now I feel like an idiot

[midnight heron]

anyway just go full torpmeme or stack hp since her eva is hax

[coral wren]

Ok

So

Double toolkit

Or toolkit with extinguisher

Or double oxygen torps

[midnight heron]

no exp using her but u can try torpbulge toolkit for "no torp allowed"

double toolkit loses 1 slot for utility cuz the effects dont stack

[coral wren]

True

Should I use magnetic or normal torps

[midnight heron]

always magnetic unless theres manual pvp

[coral wren]

Ok

Too bad I don’t have enough magnetic torps

[midnight heron]

pray to rng

[coral wren]

Ok and the gun? Basic clevelgun or the 150mm for the barrage proc

I heard her barrage is really good

[midnight heron]

just go he gun for burn refresh

[coral wren]

Ok

[midnight heron]

well if u wanna go barrage then the single 150

[coral wren]

Yeah that’s the one I was talking about

HE on cruisers usually gets overridden by BB HE anyways

[midnight heron]

i wont bet on barrages hitting tho

cuz lul auto

[coral wren]

Yeah

[midnight heron]

yea they get overridden so theres no issue

[coral wren]

I’ll just use an AP gun

Should be fine

[midnight heron]

their he gun just refreshes the bb burn instead

[coral wren]

Ah

[midnight heron]

the stronger burn always stays

[coral wren]

So Bel gun

For her

[midnight heron]

yea

[coral wren]

Oki

Thanks a lot

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

just farm up a billion seattle guns

easy

;)

(3 bps so far)

[midnight heron]

i dont even know the names of those guns

also its been like 1 week+ and not even 1 rainbow gun bp

gonna take >1 year at dis rate

[vague token]

i still have 0 georgia gun bps

[shy hazel]

i dont have any

[elder crane]

Noshiro is one of,
2 of Rudder, Bulge, Engine, FE(<-not sure how good FE is yet)
1 of that and torpstick
2 torpstick

[midnight heron]

wud rudder be of much use tho (other than rng 2s evade) cuz her eva rate is already high

[elder crane]

the higher your evarate mods are, the better evasion stat is, so yes

[vague token]

it's not like anyone is going to be pushing up on evade cap in pvp anyways xD

[elder crane]

8.65% evarate vs a 130 hit 50 luck level parity enemy, boosted on 48% base evarate

basically a 18% or so eHP boost

hmmm

better vs lower hit/luck, worse vs higher hit/luck

[shy hazel]

lol that last reload patch

made sandy more nuts

she basically spams her mg

[vague token]

+35 hit nagato goes from 50.9% hit rate to 42.9% hit rate against noshiro (no rudder vs rudder)

[midnight heron]

might as well add more hp

since her base low af

[ionic magnet]

rudder is a given
if anything, oxytorp is the most useless thing you can give her

[vague token]

so rudder is better barely

rudder + 500 hp aux vs 1000 hp (two auxes) gives like 500 ehp difference give or take i think?

in favor of rudder

lemme check boiler

[ionic magnet]

2nd slot is just either boiler or pearl
if shes with jun and nanoda

that changes when youre memeing ofc

[vague token]

if you run rudder/boiler she has less ehp than +1k hp

of course +1k hp is pearl and a meme gear

so

and it's only a tiny bit less lol

[ionic magnet]

does her yellow skill stay if she dies btw

[vague token]

gonna need neko on that one

but yeah rudder/x is best bet, i get these:
https://gyazo.com/745763fff41ea42153ed510f5b9c5b04

oh i forgot to move the decimal on the last one

[ionic magnet]

thats 135 hit right?

[vague token]

i mean +35

[ionic magnet]

oh

alright that works also ig

[vague token]

in the formula i just put the full addition split up cause i had to look up nagato's values again xD

=(70 + 35) * 1.2

yeah

[ionic magnet]

thought its only 35

[vague token]

lol no

lemme add a +

or actually ill just put 1 SG

hsfcr gives the same hit anyways

[ionic magnet]

can you try adding another 35 assuming 2x hit aux

[vague token]

ok

[elder crane]

Does anyone use Nyagato with +70 hit?

Seems like a good way to have her die early

[ionic magnet]

no no i mean for other BBs with 2 hit aux

[elder crane]

Well, other IJN BB/BC I suppose with her

[ionic magnet]

just curious

and yea maaybe FE is an option too

[elder crane]

Don't forget CV and nonIJN BB has lower hit

Ahh, I forgot about pearl

Wait pearl on Noshiro sounds like a bad idea

Hmmmm

[ionic magnet]

yea not sure either

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/a8882340cc81ae80ef732cec9ad6d953

[ionic magnet]

jun pearl meta now?

[vague token]

just note that 2sg nagato is rocking 168 hit

that's tough for most bbs to reach

[elder crane]

you added staag right? (just making sure)

[vague token]

oh no, i can add it in real quick though

[elder crane]

yeah, I always forget about it too

180 hit, wow

that's, wow
CL base Hit tier

I swear I shouldn't be surprised though since I've crunched these numbers before

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/ba299064c665770f279dd64c78e1f00e

[ionic magnet]

funny how even with all hit aux its still a coin flip

[vague token]

and then of course we all know ykk is worse

xD

[elder crane]

Well

actually, hitrate on ykkz iirc is pretty similar

just 1 dmg skill too

[vague token]

i mean that's like 25% evade rate

xD

except it works on ramming and fire too >_>

[elder crane]

no, it's multiplicative, not additive

so nowhere near that good

it's a worse eHP boost for ykkz than noshiro's +15% evarate, I think?
actually, roughly equal in PvP

[vague token]

well, ykkz has lower hp margin

so

it doesnt have as much to boost

[elder crane]

I think just slighty worse if not up against hit monsters like 2 hit aux Nyaga buff

[vague token]

but in the end you get two dice rolls at least

[elder crane]

Well, worse %eHP I mean

[vague token]

so it feels better

even if the ehp boost is smaller

you roll your evade chance and you roll your skill chance xD

[elder crane]

nah, that's not how it works, since 2nd roll only happens after first roll

whereas Noshiro directly makes eva roll worse

ofc since higher eva/lower HP, ykkz feels worse

that's why

[vague token]

but it also works on things you normally cant evade so it feels better

xD

[elder crane]

in terms of how much worse the skill makes the roll feel, relative to how bad it'd be without skill, noshiro's +15% evarate is worse than ykkz's 1 dmg 25%

yeah, that's true

[vague token]

basically

rip fortune

[elder crane]

although, dodging the shot that applied it = not getting the dot in the first place
so Noshiro is worse if dot application %chance is low

[ionic magnet]

even #gameplay-help doesnt know if her buff stays after death

[elder crane]

Wiki says only when afloat, but idk how much to trust that

[vague token]

in the end noshiro is still strong

we just need the neko to go digging again xD

someone get him a pickaxe

only 1 bonus this reset reee

[ionic magnet]

lowkey wanna try noshiro jintsuu ibuki

[vague token]

ill probably try noshiro/sheffield/juneau

[midnight heron]

dew it

[vague token]

with sheffield seattle gun eventually

big gun crits

[midnight heron]

sometimes i wonder if fe is better aux when using sheff

[ionic magnet]

does her buff even apply to fires

no idea tbh

[midnight heron]

i doubt it does dats y it might be a gud option

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

sheffield's doesnt i think

ykk is like the only one who does because ijn powers

cause like, vice defense or w/e it's called doesnt work on fire right?

[midnight heron]

[vague token]

does anyone have nevada/okla retro'd? go get set on fire in pve xD

[midnight heron]

lmao

[ionic magnet]

scrapped them after retro

[midnight heron]

most pr gear bp i hav is dis garbage can

its so trash u only need 15

[hot creek]

actual trash bin 🚮

[vague token]

wait what, why is it 15

[midnight heron]

[lament lichen]

What i ha e the most of

[forest lake]

Lucsac

[waxen lion]

@ionic magnet @elder crane no

[ionic magnet]

wait what no

[forest lake]

[waxen lion]

even #gameplay-help doesnt know if her buff stays after death

[ionic magnet]

ah so it doesnt stay?

[waxen lion]

it does not

[ionic magnet]

both blue and yellow skills yea?

[waxen lion]

both

[ionic magnet]

alright

[forest lake]

Does it specify 'while this ship is afloat'?

[ionic magnet]

only blue skill on wiki has that

so i thought its diff but yea

[forest lake]

What was yellow?

[forest lake]

Oh both specify them

[ionic magnet]

oh

[forest lake]

[ionic magnet]

it said while this ship is afloat

[past egret]

This a fleet worth testing a full KMS fleet against? Was going to but Balti made me think against it

Been trying to find a IJN cancer Backline but since I didn’t partake this season I can’t find any whale fleets

[waxen lion]

Baltimore with non-USS CV

[past egret]

Actually I did find someone with a full cancer fleet oath 120 but they had a kisigari in their frontline

[forest lake]

I doubt full KMS without FdG can win meta comps

[elder crane]

That's like a not terrible team to test against

[forest lake]

I mean it's KMS

[elder crane]

you'll probs have trouble with KMS since it's KMS

[past egret]

Would want to fight a actual good fleet

[elder crane]

look for 15k power main fleet in a Warkai team
and both juneau and ykkz

[forest lake]

Well if you attack the Kisa fleet and still go down then you know what to expect

[elder crane]

that would be probably a good setup person

[ionic magnet]

you better dumpster that fleet if you hope for kms to be decent vs meta namaryuus

[forest lake]

Eh if I do Noshi Buki Ykkz what aux gear should I use

[past egret]

I have faith in FDG carry

[forest lake]

What Dev is your FdG even at

[past egret]

Let me check

8

[forest lake]

Unless she's Dev10 then I don't think she's worth using and relying on

[elder crane]

@forest lake ykkz tank as usual, probably two-torpstick Buki, and Noshi your choice of any of 0-2 torpstick and 2-0 tank gear

probably 1 torpstick Noshi

[past egret]

I’d need dev 15 to even hope to hit a meta fleet but I’m hoping offense dev 10 you can scrape by

[forest lake]

Rip my aux plates then

[elder crane]

What, you don't have 10 +10 torpsticks?

[forest lake]

[past egret]

What is torp stick?

[elder crane]

12 technically needed for 6 vanguard + 6 sub

[past egret]

apologies for noob

[forest lake]

The dildo

[past egret]

Ah

Oxytorps

[elder crane]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Type_93_Pure_Oxygen_Torpedo#Type_3

[forest lake]

[past egret]

[forest lake]

I only have 3 oxytorps lmao

[past egret]

I have 1

[elder crane]

Well, then give to Ibuki then tank aux for rest

[past egret]

Not even maxed

[forest lake]

Too bad or maybe it's better this way I don't have Buki yet

[elder crane]

Ibuki really benefits from torpsticks
then you'll need to test out how fleet survivability is

you want Ibuki to get to torp reload if possible, but you want Noshiro to get to torp reload for sure

so idk if Ibuki leads or Noshiro

[vague token]

defense ibuki basically does barely any damage without oxy cause CAs dont get 15% free damage

xD

[elder crane]

well, more due to low torp stat

[forest lake]

Maybe I'll just use Jun lead

[elder crane]

each torpstick is +20% torp damage for her

[vague token]

which would be w/e if she had 15% damage

[elder crane]

doesn't matter

[vague token]

but for w/e reason CLs get damage boost and CAs get tank xD

[elder crane]

she'd still run torpsticks for this kinda team

CL get more dred, no?

than CAs

[vague token]

what, no? pvp gives CL 15% damage boost, CAs get 15% dr

[forest lake]

Yea I always thought Buki had at least 300 torp stat but it's 289

[elder crane]

yeah
20% dred for CL
15% for CA

lolno

reread pins

[vague token]

oh that's even worse lol

big brain

[forest lake]

Rip

[elder crane]

anyways, due to low base torp stat, Ibuki gets huge benefits out of torpstick

most other ships are 10-15%

she gets +20% torp damage boost

[forest lake]

Yea that's expected I guess

[elder crane]

what carries her torp damage is highest slot efficiency in game (185%) and ofc 2 preload

[forest lake]

185%

[elder crane]

actually, is that the highest slot efficiency period?

[vague token]

and gaining accuracy from nagato

[elder crane]

I meant "of torps" but I think that's actually highest period

[vague token]

i mean bb aux doesnt count

cause they're all 200+

[elder crane]

well, yeah, her base hit is the usual sucky CA value

[vague token]

unless you're a bc

[elder crane]

and no luck

[vague token]

unfortunately, wiki says we cant sort by efficiency

[elder crane]

oh, yeah technically those, but lol

[vague token]

because big brain

[forest lake]

Guess staag on Buki then

[elder crane]

next highest is 180% for some torp CLs and Gascan guns

all CAs want staag, just like main fleet

their Hit is not that much better usually

[vague token]

i think z23 is the highest first slot efficiency

[elder crane]

Gascan

180%

[vague token]

oh xD

[elder crane]

Also Ise

180% as well

[vague token]

oh right bbv

xD

oh right sandy and her 185 efficiency aa gun lel

wait what is isuzu's

oh not as high she just has aagm+1

so it's basically gascan/ise for slot 1, ibuki for slot 2, sandy for slot 3

still would like an efficiency sorter for wiki tables >______>

[forest lake]

Just

Make an excel with all the efficiency

[vague token]

lol no

i make myself spreadsheets only for formulas

xD

[past egret]

Worth?

[vague token]

not a bad fight

[past egret]

Place your bets on how many resets it’ll take

[forest lake]

Til tomorrow

[elder crane]

No amagi is
KMS probably still struggles though since Enty is good vs teams that can't deal with her

[keen sparrow]

just pray nagato n enty skill no proc

[ionic magnet]

what does your kms team even look like

[granite flame]

ahah

dont worry about that just yet

[forest lake]

[granite flame]

seems my vanguard likes to dodge the torpedo barrages that are sent out, and then reverse back into all of them

[forest lake]

Normal day in pvp

[finite valve]

http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1577497634790.jpg

something is rising inside of me and it is not the shield hero

[empty grove]

Inb4 all PR ships get a skin before sanrui

[finite valve]

is already is with my wife skin tho

abit not yet but yeh

can't picture sanrui wear kimono tho

[vague token]

she doesnt need a kimono though she can use something more deus vult

[empty grove]

Right

[vague token]

;)

[empty grove]

Kita already had a skin

It's already a reality

[finite valve]

welp finish my 6 stagg

time to move to pr 2

zzz

[coral wren]

well, she is either getting a school uniform(lol), swimsuit or kimono.

[finite valve]

too soon for swimsuit tho

kimono is abit weird since she is not of JP

school might work

[coral wren]

didn't some boats get it on winter or smth like that last year?

[finite valve]

fuck if i know

but that time was because EN was catching up

all the EN "new" skin are old skin

[coral wren]

Hm, probably you are right. But my point is she isn't getting anything original

[finite valve]

bad in both pvp and reality

gg

dk why i bother using my general on her

2 events worth

should never listen to tier list

[coral wren]

kek

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

yeah, she got powercrept too hard and too fast

[vague token]

just give her a nun one with an altar and juneau is on it

[empty grove]

I never stopped using her

[vague token]

pray to juneau, the savior

;)

[finite valve]

craw back to your hole you no lifer you

[empty grove]

[finite valve]

[empty grove]

I'll swap her when Azuma is useable

[finite valve]

6 months give or take

[vague token]

i think i have like 3 bps for azuma gun

[empty grove]

I'm ok on PR2 weapon BP, minus the georgia gun

Still on 0

[vague token]

same

[finite valve]

i might be the only person who focus on pr 1 for the last stagg lol

got shit for bp

zzz

[meager dawn]

I got 1 457mm BP

49 more to go

[finite valve]

most ppl going to be finishing both my wife and mommy before getting 1 full 457

[empty grove]

Especially when cube researches gimp progress of weapon BP

[hot creek]

1hr PR1 equip research is still a pretty good option if all the other ones happen to be shit.

[odd schooner]

Is it too early to ask about suruga

[zenith tundra]

sl7 barrage still feels underwhelming as dmg

[vague token]

i wonder if the extra pellets is designed to make her rush the vg down

so you can flaunt the DR advantage from her shield skill

[zenith tundra]

the dmg is pathetic even for pve

like 100 per shoot

[vague token]

hmm maybe a vanguard focused damage comp with like suragi + a utility ship

using noshiro for group dps boost and durability

[zenith tundra]

lvl 81 suruga sl7 in 7-2

[vague token]

that looks cool

xD

[zenith tundra]

strong shells do 580 dmg and small 135...

if u ever use her is for defense buff. barrage dmg might be close to bismark tbh

[forest lake]

Ew

[coral wren]

Anyone has kid graf maxed? How is her barrage

[frail orbit]

@zenith tundra so basically she's a disappointment?

[zenith tundra]

not a disappointment just not better then other barrage bb imo. u use her for defense buff maybe on a stalling def team but doesn't feel like a good ship for attacking

[vague token]

she's just strong instead of amagi tier

[zenith tundra]

sp boss

seattle needs more buffs pls

[vague token]

so im guessing seattle/kitakaze/sandy had their gun problem fixed?

[forest lake]

Since long ago

Maybe not so long ago

[shy hazel]

kiro

i disappointed in u

even i knew

yet u didnt

[vague token]

to be fair, i havent been using sandy xD

plus just cause they said they fixed it doesnt mean it was fixed

[shy hazel]

no excuses

[vague token]

always excuses ;)

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

+1 per reset. this event killed pvp on my server

[shy hazel]

same for av

[zenith tundra]

c2 or d3 farm? d3 can actually be cheaper vs c2 suruga xp farm....

[zenith tundra]

does damage reduction affects fire dmg?

[frail orbit]

Yo zack
Any idea on how tf georgie shs works?

Also regarding the RNG behind it . . .

[zenith tundra]

it aims at the same target as 1st mg shoot

no rng

[frail orbit]

Hmmmm

But it was said that it ain't targeted to backline ehh?

Akin to Mamagi n Monarch

[zenith tundra]

it's like amagi targeted part. it goes where 1st mg goes

[forest lake]

If only Georgia was HMS

Then we got sniping

[zenith tundra]

in pvp might be different then pve lol

let me test a bit

for some reason it seems like georgia shs barrage can split itself and aim at 2 targets....

seems like it follows the aim of both mg most of the time so half goes to 1st target and half to 2nd target ...

in pve is so straightforward while pvp is a total mess

[frail orbit]

And giving her SG won't do since the RNG of her aiming is freakin welp . . .

[zenith tundra]

amagi is the same she does what she wants

[jovial sedge]

so many new jap ships : /

[blazing scroll]

Yea

Where my USS ships at

[glacial shuttle]

Noshiro stands a chance in PvP?

[coral wren]

Testing Azuma in the battle sim just made me realize how absurd CBs are.

Alaska is going to be lit.

[forest lake]

I guess Noshi can stand-in for Azuma atm

[charred sable]

RIP this season, I'm pretty sure that's 10 missed attacks

[forest lake]

[shell heron]

I dont see how noshi can be a stand in for azuma. She fills the same role as if you were using jintsuu

[forest lake]

She's pretty tanky. also free bulge fleet wide

Also increases Vanguard's Crit Rate by 12.0% when fully upgraded.

Also this pepega thing

Or maybe I should rephrase

Rather than standing in for Azuma she's the 2nd best VG to use as the filler before getting Azuma to acceptable Dev levels

[shell heron]

Where did the 12% come from. In-game, the skill says 5% when fully leveled

[forest lake]

Game files I think

[shell heron]

I mean she does become an option if you want to abuse that amagi 7s barrage again.

[zenith tundra]

the crit thing is not even visible in jp since skill is not maxed

for me

[inner zenith]

also it's 5% rate :v

feels smol to me

[zenith tundra]

data mine of the games says 12%

[forest lake]

^

Idk which one is right

[waxen lion]

It's 12% as long as she remains alive

[forest lake]

Wiki agrees with 12%

[coral wren]

Imagine

If they make alaska purple ship

Well, if they ever make her

[past egret]

I have that video of the KMS comp vs one of the old semi-cancer meta comps

Just need to upload to YT now

[coral wren]

Fdg/graf/bis?

[past egret]

FDG not dev 10 yet

[forest lake]

There's FdG full KMS fleet vs Namaryuu on yt

On JP at least

[shell heron]

Interesting. Perhaps the EN team messed up on the displayed numbers. I would love to test noshi compared to neptune

[coral wren]

Ah...well, i doubt it will perform better than hms but i’d gladly switch to it if it works

[past egret]

Graf Bis Tirp - Leipzig Kai Roon Eugen
vs
Hiryu kai naga Enty - Bel Yuki Juneau

Not entirely full meta before cancer 3.0

But good for KMS to test against without FDG

[forest lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZIXPezQOfk

Here we go

FdG KMS comp

[past egret]

That’s where I got my original idea from haha

Similar gear load out too

[zenith tundra]

testing against a no amagi team...

[past egret]

But modified to what I do have

[coral wren]

Eh, full kms is... well, anyway i only need to max roon, kid graf and tirp to see what will perform better. Bis/graf/tirp or bis/graf/kidgraf

[past egret]

No luck finding full 120 amagis or warkais yet

Worth testing ?

No Hiryuu just seems like it’d be praying on their skills not activating

[coral wren]

Hm

Fdg’s barrage looks like it covers the whole backline

But it did no dmg to nagato and amagi

Dodged?

[zenith tundra]

small projectiles from fdg barrage stop right before backlines in pvp

they never hit

[forest lake]

Balancing

[past egret]

How does his Bisko take almost no damage

[forest lake]

Lucsuc

[coral wren]

Rudder+badge perhaps

[forest lake]

Was Badge+Shell

[coral wren]

32 luck and 33 eva

[past egret]

Hey wait

I wasn’t even using my rudder against the comp I tested

Went to compare my gear to his again

Rudder Not found

Does rudder ever go on frontline?

Or only Backline ships

[coral wren]

Sanryu is thr only frontline ship who used it i believe

[zenith tundra]

there isn't much difference in between namagi fdg and bismark fdg amagi. it just changes who gets buffed. with azuma vg nagato becomes better overall then bismark

[waxen lion]

even then fdg is just a thicc sheller at heart

[zenith tundra]

also that hiryuu wasn't using much if any evasion gear. she gets dmg so easily

also very slow vg on def

[past egret]

Rudder worth being put on frontline ships like Eugen if being used?

[zenith tundra]

on ca yes

[coral wren]

So why is everyone riding FdG's dick so hard?

[zenith tundra]

24.4k hp in pvp maxed and dr skill plus barrage every 15s and strong mg skill

[elder crane]

And Azuma/Noshiro means we actually have a 2nd IJN vanguard in an optimal vanguard setup
Meaning hiryuu can be swapped out without losing Amagi 4 IJN fast load

[vague token]

more than 24k really xD

cause the dr increases as she gets lower she'll break 25k

[zenith tundra]

24k is base hp not ehp

10445 hp at dev 25 max oath max level

[vague token]

i mean dr is basically just a multiplier on hp so it's fine xD

[coral wren]

How does one ride jpeg's dick, is it possible to learn this power?

[charred sable]

Hmm, Noshiro replaces maxed out Saint Louis?

Or just a temp to allow swapping in of FdG?

[past egret]

It’s done

https://youtu.be/-_MCf03nh0o it did have 2 runs prior which were both wins + restarting the battle in it but it would only upload on 280p quality,I don’t know how to fix that

Wish I could find actual warkai amanaga comps but I was inactive this pvp season so it’s unlikely

[coral wren]

You didn;t show the numbers in the end

But that was very sad to watch

no dmg from backline

Not even sure if jesus with yuki instead of leip and prinz would improve things much

[granite flame]

ikr lmfao bismarck barrage didnt do fucking anything

hey its still a good joke though

KMS fleet is good

@coral wren also for future reference, what numbers at the end?

[coral wren]

dmg numbers

left button from the exit

that looks like a piece of paper

[granite flame]

ah right

after the match ends

[coral wren]

btw, show your backline equip

[granite flame]

i did in the end but here

o nvm

[midnight heron]

imagine if the last torps didnt hit

[granite flame]

+10 seconds

[midnight heron]

prepare for 5min match

[past egret]

@coral wren

German gear on Graf did actually 0 damage so I switched to hell divers and pirate

[coral wren]

Do you have rudder?

I'd suggest to put sg+rudder on tirp, badge+sg on bis and maybe rudder on graf instead of cata

And see how that would go

But damn, her barrage did 0 damage

That's so fucked up

[elder crane]

wait, DD secs on BBs?
no PR152s?

[coral wren]

I guess he has none

[elder crane]

actually, what do you use on Bis anyways

[past egret]

I don’t have much PR gear to substitute for the DD guns

Like Neptune or Seattle guns which that one JP guy uses on his bisko

Also I put washer on Prinz

Can move though

I thought white shell was best for bis

[elder crane]

If you want to spec her offensively, sure
it's just that as flag, she takes the most damage, so building her offensively is a bit questionable

White Shell/Rudder is probably not too bad though

[past egret]

Found my next clickbait title

Iron blood navy decimates eagle union fleet comps!

[vague token]

i mean that eagle comp is bad

cause it has alabama

xD

should just use amagi/owari da/essex

[past egret]

Yes but click bait

[vague token]

10x better

then swap laffey with juneau ;)

[past egret]

I wish massa was good

massa design is mmmmmmmm

[vague token]

no barrage/10

maybe if eagles had a way to target shelling like ws

they could be good