pvp

[vague token]

or just use start of battle smoke

xD

[hoary pasture]

noshiro/kinu/jintsuu?

kinu's thing with being able to proc an additional wave of torps

idk, something about that arouses me

[vague token]

i mean most double torp skills start on cd

[elder crane]

Noshiro isn't that special for PvP

You can't evasion stack the same way as in PvE

[vague token]

i mean 15% is just a worse ykk buff xD

[elder crane]

Effectively, sorta
Since CL evarate in PvP iirc is around 50-60% normally

[hoary pasture]

do we already know what suruga barrage looks like? too lazy to read the code some1 posted above

[elder crane]

10 130bdmg .7/1/.9 arcing untargeted, super tight dispersion

720+360(pvp) 1/.8/.7 straight pellets with 150 range, pattern unsure

Basically, probably one of the best barrages for PvP
Unless pellet range isn't enough to hit enemy main or is wide spread, then it's just decent

Or if fixed-targeting is wonky, which then depends on how wonky it is

[vague token]

inb4 on defense, extra wonky

[elder crane]

For PvE, the more spread it is, the better, opposite of here XD

Inb4 wonky if not flagship

Goodbye Nagato(?)

[hoary pasture]

damn it's that good?

[keen sparrow]

[hoary pasture]

oof

[vague token]

well we dunno about barrage, it should be decent at minimum

the defense buff is big though

[hoary pasture]

yah im ignoring noshiro then for pvp

kinu's 180% torps + double proc chance + self torp dmg buff looking juicy

also hat fetish

[coral wren]

combined with jintsu she might be somewhat devastating

I wonder how long will fights last in a mirror with amagi, suruga, fdg and azuma

[hoary pasture]

yah that's what i mean, im looking for a CL that has a decent amount of tankiness + torps to complete the chain

but idk if that exists

s m o c c scream is a joke, just use sendai vs that i guess

only thing im not sure about is how jinsoup + kinu will do vs eva stackers

[midnight heron]

so is suruga as op as expected?

[vague token]

she stronk

[midnight heron]

does she replace ws/hiryuu tho

[meager dawn]

Why does her barrage get enhanced if it's in pvp

[midnight heron]

cuz promote pvp

[vague token]

it gives her more pellets not arcing shells

[midnight heron]

ryuuhoe tho lul free heals

[meager dawn]

ryuuhou can heal the backline if it gets low enough

[midnight heron]

assuming she dont die first cuz lowest hp

[coral wren]

promote ijn further in pvp

[meager dawn]

Just make amagi the target of warspite's snipes

ez heals

[midnight heron]

given the heal is based on her hp ur backline wont even get much use from it

its more for vg

[meager dawn]

ryuuhou to powercreep vestal

[keen sparrow]

ryuho hp is to low

[vague token]

she is more for 3:1 comps

where the 1 is some low hp dd or cl, or maybe a budget CA with low hp

[elder crane]

So I checked out timing on when main fleet takes damage

[meager dawn]

At the start cuz torpmemes

[elder crane]

Opening torps only hit like ~8 s in

Magtorps are sloooow

[meager dawn]

Not if they use the quad 610mm and somehow hit all of your backline

[elder crane]

So, Suruga timing will properly cover all major early sources of damage, except one

CVs

Even 610 doesn't hit til about 5s in

[meager dawn]

inb4 someone says suruga to counter foxes

[midnight heron]

nakagas will still suffer tho

[elder crane]

Looks like FC might be the best off if IJN adds suruga?

Well, suruga does cover fox strikes easily, obviously

[midnight heron]

however the chance based proc might cause resets

inb4 no proc

[meager dawn]

suruga covers hiryuu's torp bomber barrage

[elder crane]

70% each time main fleet is hit

So, 100% when it matters basically

[meager dawn]

so does it count plane crashes

or does it have to hit the main fleet

[elder crane]

Presumably

[meager dawn]

like dive bombers/shells

[midnight heron]

inb4 it actually activates from burn as well

[elder crane]

It says "take damage"

So yeah, quite likely DoTs count too

It won't reduce DoT damage though , likely

[midnight heron]

so amagi 10% eva + 12% reduc

[elder crane]

Since DoTs are speshul

[vague token]

and amagi debuff

[meager dawn]

• 8% from

[midnight heron]

good luck

[shy hazel]

all these codes

[vague token]

honestly with all the shared main dr it might be fun to start swapping ykk out

[elder crane]

She's going to represent about as much eHP vs not-aviation as FdG
And buffs other main fleet member survivability

[midnight heron]

and she selfheals

[elder crane]

Damage is looking decent to amazing

[vague token]

isnt her aa similar to fdg?

it should be similar ehp to avi

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Pretty sure FdG is higher, I'll check

[shy hazel]

new era is upon us

wskai era ending early

[meager dawn]

Maximum main fleet DR with formi, suruga

[shy hazel]

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

fdg 241, suruga is what 215?

[midnight heron]

real ijn meta not counting juneau

[vague token]

like not a huge amount

[elder crane]

Oh goddammit

You guys made me miss setting a commission

[vague token]

lel

gottem

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

Now I'm down ~240 oil smh

[meager dawn]

rip 240 oil

[vague token]

oh noooo

[midnight heron]

i did those early so

[shy hazel]

its a matter of time before they implement

ijn juneue

[vague token]

they did, they're way worse

[meager dawn]

Heal everyone based on her own hp

[elder crane]

I had a long comm timed for 4 mins ago

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

what was it, rescue operations?

[hoary pasture]

this is some BIIIG gameplay evolution.... so in other words, we went from ijn meta to more ijn meta to TRUE ijn meta?

[meager dawn]

is that hamakaze's skill

[sharp wing]

Rescue operations 2 botes

[midnight heron]

we just missing ijn juneau

[elder crane]

Hamakaze is so meme

Ghetto Juneau

[sharp wing]

[vague token]

hamakaze and urakaze have it

[elder crane]

I want a Juneau
We have a Juneau at home
At home; Hamakaze

[sharp wing]

She is already punished for life with her looks

Urakaze is another one

[vague token]

so hey you could stack both with juneau, it'd be bad though

[sharp wing]

At least Urakaze oppai loli

[elder crane]

They'd sink first and not proc heal

[sharp wing]

[elder crane]

They need to outsurvive other vanguards to proc heal

Also rng if they even proc

Anyways, they're also super squish

So lol

[sharp wing]

3% heal is meme anyway

[meager dawn]

100% chance to proc if you just reset all the time

[elder crane]

0% to proc since they always just fricken die first

[sharp wing]

idk who design skills...

But some of them are brainless

[meager dawn]

The devs

[midnight heron]

they dont pvp

[sharp wing]

It's not about pvp

[hot creek]

Almost missed four charges while driving on the freeway but my sister came in clutch

[sharp wing]

in pve ships don't even sink

[meager dawn]

Also is it just me or are they slapping basically 2 skills in 1 now

[sharp wing]

Amagi has 3 skills in 1

[meager dawn]

Yeah but that's amagi

What about the rest of the ships

[zenith tundra]

any datamine yet?

[vague token]

yeah

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EQPH7w_7TKVpXfYmRGTlgvS7jVt_T1HOAiRKM7jhrNY/edit#gid=0

[sharp wing]

All already mined

[vague token]

relink

[hot creek]

suruga only two skills? thats a surprise

and they don't seem too game breaking

[mild spruce]

PvP enhanced barrage

[elder crane]

Barrage potentially one of best PvP barrages

Enhancement is whatever, not that big of a deal

[vague token]

her defense is two skills in one

[elder crane]

Dred+heal, 37 luck vs 0, 10 more eva means she has eHP around that of FdG

[vague token]

dr + 10% zombie

[elder crane]

And also buffs rest of main fleet survivability

Quite possibly is equal to/better than FdG in Namagi

Which is pretty ridiculous

[sharp wing]

Suruga sugoi

[mild spruce]

More effective HP than FdG?

[elder crane]

Bow down to our new IJN overlords
FdG DoA
Warkai so 2019

[zenith tundra]

cvl is 🚮

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

I have coins question for Suruga build

[mild spruce]

Does 37 luck make that much of a difference

[elder crane]

Around eHP of FdG

Yes

[shy hazel]

wskai is so 2019

we bow down again to our ijn overlords

[sharp wing]

RIP warkai

[shy hazel]

[sharp wing]

Yr reign was short

[elder crane]

Ryuuhou is new best healer
Not relevant in PvP ofc

[zenith tundra]

i don't like suruga

[mild spruce]

Monarch and WS can probably kill Suruga under 20 seconds

[vague token]

3:1 heal is very strong

[zenith tundra]

seems very mehish and rng

[elder crane]

FdG is dead on arrival

[sharp wing]

She doesn't like you either

[vague token]

i mean it's any main fleet taking damage

[zenith tundra]

that's pnly relevant in w13 tho

[vague token]

the dr will be consistent

[sharp wing]

FdG alive for KMS comps

[zenith tundra]

before not really

[elder crane]

Ehh, her X:1 heal in general is strong

And at 3:X her heal is usually better than CVls

[vague token]

i think it's just ok with 1 or 2 main

[elder crane]

Also can target main if need be

[vague token]

compared to using like vestal or w/e

[zenith tundra]

why would i care so much about heal

[vague token]

get a billion aa guns

[elder crane]

9% or 18% own hp

[hoary pasture]

kinu has a sexy hat

so there's that

[elder crane]

Also her damage output is decent

Better than Uni/Shouhou

[vague token]

ah yes, that damage we cant do because no air superiority yet

xD

[elder crane]

And ofc own HP is higher

[hot creek]

do we know if it has cooldown at start like Eldridge?

[vague token]

we dont

[elder crane]

It starts off cd

We already know

[vague token]

but eldridge is the only defensive cd that starts on cd anyways

[zenith tundra]

it's only 1 shi[ heal which is bad

w13 murders all ur vg

[elder crane]

Doesn't matter, heal amount is high

Also each tick is targeted individually

[vague token]

it's good for skimping on lower chapters than 13

xD

[zenith tundra]

carpet bombong in w13 is dumb u'll see

[elder crane]

18% of own HP which usually is higher than vanguard HP

The total healing almost matches/matches CVL healers, and is distributed better

[zenith tundra]

i would never use her over unicorn or shouhou

[elder crane]

And she does significantly more damage

[vague token]

i mean if you're running 3:1 you might as well

[hot creek]

wait we're talking about ryuuhou now right lol

[vague token]

plus she buffs sub call ins which is neat

[zenith tundra]

from when do fighters do dmg?

[elder crane]

Even 3:2 she wayyy outheals CVLs

145% 3 TBs

[zenith tundra]

so she is useful only in non 3 vg setup

spunds not good

[ripe latch]

cv 3 corp alive or dead?

[midnight heron]

run a fleet of 3 hoes hous: shouhou taihou ryuuhou

[elder crane]

In 3 VG her heal is almost as good if 3 main fleet

[vague token]

well, damage in ch12/13 is more spread than focused though

[zenith tundra]

if u have azuma vg shouhou and uni heal more

[vague token]

id rather have the team heal for 3:3

[elder crane]

Even so, not perfectly spread

She will do averaged 6% own HP in heal per vanguard
And her own HP is higher than most vanguard

And it's always perfectly distributed for the most even final HP %

[vague token]

i mean it's basically, if you're running a proper CA with cls, dont bother

[elder crane]

If you really think all 3 Vanguards take damage perfectly evenly, sure

[zenith tundra]

suriga dr is not great a 12% is definitelly not worth over hiryuu

[elder crane]

If even slight imbalance, then she heals better

Did you miss the part where she's basically FdG when in Namagi?

[vague token]

and out

[zenith tundra]

plus timed barrage in pvp... it's 2 years past those being useful

[vague token]

she just gets the offense buffs instead

[midnight heron]

we'll know how gud she is when ppl start using her

[zenith tundra]

if her barrage is not broken no way u go full bb backlines over 2 bb 1 cv

[elder crane]

eHP on par with FdG
Also provides Dred to rest of fleet
Only question is output, if barrage is as we think, her output will not fall behind FdG much if at All

[zenith tundra]

just because of consistency

[elder crane]

Barrage quite likely is one of best barrages

[zenith tundra]

let's wait and see

[sharp wing]

It's like saying there no point to use FdG, just run CV

[midnight heron]

we already go full bb with namaspite tho

[sharp wing]

[forest lake]

Just hope (or not) that her barrage isn't complete pepega and whiffs water

[elder crane]

1300+720+480 very tight spread

[vague token]

i doubt they'd make another biscuit

especially since it has pvp specific adjustments

for w/e reason

not sure why it does that honestly

[sharp wing]

Crosswave reference i guess someway

[vague token]

except there's no pvp in crosswave xD

[zenith tundra]

pvp adjustment doesn't sound good

[vague token]

i mean it's 3 seconds

3% per second for 3 seconds is fine

[elder crane]

Yeah, adjustment is whatever

[vague token]

well yeah, that's why you use vestal for that

[zenith tundra]

it's low hp and useless just as monarch in pvp

[elder crane]

Btw pellets likely have enough range to hit enemy main fleet

Low HP

[sharp wing]

Wait, who are you talking about

[elder crane]

Do you mean barrage?

Cause the barrage is laser-tight

[vague token]

inb4 skills dont work as expected

[elder crane]

Barrage has less spread than main guns

[midnight heron]

inb4 skills nerfed before actual launch just like amagi

[elder crane]

It's nothing like monarchs

[sharp wing]

Suruga has 8.2k + Hp what low hp

[elder crane]

Terrible in PvE ofc

[zenith tundra]

that osn't good since once enemy opponent is dead she becomes useless

[vague token]

i mean she can still shell people

xD

[elder crane]

Also instantly applied heal

[zenith tundra]

i meant the heal at low hp

[sharp wing]

Heal is whatever

[elder crane]

That's like a small fraction of her kit

[vague token]

i mean that heal could have just been baked in to her base hp

but you'd lose the pve benefit

[zenith tundra]

a cv airstrike can murder u before it even can do anything

[elder crane]

She has around the eHP of FdG

Even vs planes

[sharp wing]

lol

[vague token]

it was like 10.8k vs fdg 11.6k no-evasion

assuming the dr triggers when you need it (aka probably will)

[elder crane]

And suruga actually has luck

Also 10 more eva

DR timing looks good

Opening torps don't even hit til 8s+ in

[zenith tundra]

if it goes off before ws kai

[sharp wing]

warkai on def is meme anyway

[zenith tundra]

70% is 70% not 100%

[elder crane]

70% each time main fleet is hit

[vague token]

so? according to the description it's ANY main fleet hit

that might as well be 100%

[elder crane]

Aka 100% when it matters, mostly

[zenith tundra]

plus i'd rather have dr on hiryuu airstike

[vague token]

get hit by a magtorp? might trigger

get hit by a random whiffed pellet from vg? might trigger

[sharp wing]

Get hit by VG barrage

[elder crane]

Wait make up your mind lol

Hiryuu or warkai

[vague token]

get hit by amagi barrage's billion shots? might trigger

or nagato

basically it might as well be 100% since it triggers on any of the main getting hit (or at least from the description)

[elder crane]

It actually will miss Hiryuu strike if torps proc it

If Amagi procs it, then no

[zenith tundra]

u can still eat all amagi barrage and not trigger if unlucky enough

[elder crane]

Lol

Glhf

[midnight heron]

cant forget shes heavy armour by default so u can use her to tank ws

[sharp wing]

what...

or amahi

[vague token]

i mean, you must be rng cursed if the entirety of amagi's barrage doesnt proc it

like, how many pellets hit you again?

it's a lot lol

[elder crane]

6 times main fleet is damaged is <0.1% to not proc

Every 2 times is a factor of 10

[zenith tundra]

i still think if her bartage doesn't murder hiryuu or amagi i don't think i'll use her. that's what it comes down to in the end

[elder crane]

It likely will

[zenith tundra]

i don't think so

[vague token]

doesnt wash barrage murder at the same-ish rate?

[zenith tundra]

we'll see

20s is a bad cd

u get 3 amagi barrages in in the time of 2

[sharp wing]

She can use big gun

[elder crane]

If I had to compare, it's like Baka barrage in damage

[sharp wing]

that is extra barrage

[vague token]

triple 381 fun times

[sharp wing]

triple 410

U forget main advantage of timed barrages

Big guns

[elder crane]

Also Amagi is pretty unfair since that's a really good barrage
But Amagi targets randomly

[zenith tundra]

u'll see blue that she will be not worth it just because of barrage cd

[vague token]

another advantage of running suruga is that you can toss armor on amagi ;)

[elder crane]

Suruga hits only opposite
Which is good, it's focus-fire

[zenith tundra]

amagi does whatever and nagato is just random

[sharp wing]

Suruga is NamaBaka 2.0

[elder crane]

Unlike amagi who sometimes doesn't focus anything down

Yeah, that's probs best comparison

[vague token]

team ehp edition

[elder crane]

Namabaka but more consistent and also more survivability

[sharp wing]

beefier and less rng

[vague token]

personally id rather sodak/amagi/suruga or fdg/amagi/suruga to troll people

xD

[zenith tundra]

i'll oath her just beacuse i can use her over monarch in pve but for pvp dunno

[elder crane]

PvE she seems bad

[sharp wing]

U use Gascogne over Mona in pve anyway

[elder crane]

If you want a self healer, Gascan is undisputed champ

[zenith tundra]

dr is not bad

[sharp wing]

Zombie

[zenith tundra]

in w13 at least

[elder crane]

Amagi does that better though if there's any shelling going on at all

[sharp wing]

we just don't have Deved Gascan on En for some time yet

[elder crane]

And she also protecc vanguard
And doesn't need flag as much as suruga

She's less tanky herself though tbf

[vague token]

if anything suruga is pretty much the more balanced version of amagi

[zenith tundra]

problem with gascogne is that her timing is as bad as suruga. all stacked around 20s

[elder crane]

How is suruga any better then

[vague token]

fixed barrage angle, 20 second fixed cd, main fleet durability boost with no evade rate rng

[zenith tundra]

3mgm

not 2

[sharp wing]

Gasc MG damage is more than 3mgm tho

[elder crane]

180% eff and both shots get time dilation

[zenith tundra]

plus dr for all backlines

[vague token]

what, 135*3 is better than 180 * 2

[sharp wing]

big fires

[vague token]

unless you mean some normal, non-op bb efficiency

[elder crane]

Both shots get time dilation and priority targeting

[zenith tundra]

for clearing 3 mgm is better but gascogne just kills strong opponents

[elder crane]

For Suruga, 2/3 shots don't get time dilation (aka somewhat to significantly worse hitrate) and will target randomly instead of prioritizing elites

[zenith tundra]

if she is actually bad in pve then no reason to even bother with suruga

[elder crane]

Also Suruga barrage seems terrible for PvE

Too tight

[vague token]

missing half of its pellets too

xD

[sharp wing]

Eh, well

[vague token]

basically suruga exists to waste more of your time on defense by giving even more ehp to teams

[midnight heron]

no more speculating, we'll know once patch over

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Her 10 130 shots have only 16+3 dispersion and 16 AoE

That's tiny

[vague token]

thus suruga gets t0 for wasting your time

;)

[midnight heron]

in the meantime

[elder crane]

Great for PvP if devs didn't screw up distance coding

[forest lake]

Suruga Amagi Hiryuu
Rudder on everything

[elder crane]

Shit for PvE minus very niche scenarios

[vague token]

hiryuu is still rushable

her base hp is too low

and double medium means only one gets armor, so one is always snipeable

[elder crane]

Idk, Suruga does give her dred too

[forest lake]

But muh 15s stall

[vague token]

yeah but you have to choose who gets to live with only 1 armor available

there's no dr in the world that would save hiryuu from focus with no armor upgrade

[coral wren]

Eh, you already have great boats for pve. Need more ijn ships with dred in pvp, so that you deal 0 dmg to main fleet

[midnight heron]

none cuz armour goes to azuma

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu hp is bad without armor which is why i use that on her

it's insane hp boost to her

[hot creek]

inb4 Suruga barrage is as strong as WSkai

[vague token]

just sleep it's cool

we'll find out in 8 hours

=(

[elder crane]

I need to sleep too

Night all

[hot creek]

Good night, sweet prince.

[coral wren]

combined with amagi, you deal almost 20% less dmg to main fleet. Quite funny

[vague token]

it doesnt quite add that way

[zenith tundra]

so noshiro now best torp ship against taihou. gonna level her up for that

[vague token]

free bulge aka more boiler

[zenith tundra]

i meant w13 taihou

[midnight heron]

but u eat more torps with more boiler

so it balance out

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu noshiro aya/yuki sounds fun

[midnight heron]

noshiro looks more for offense anyway

[vague token]

jintsuu would be better than aya for stacking though

[midnight heron]

defense rarely even gets threatened by torps

[vague token]

plus CL 15% damage amp

[zenith tundra]

noshiro can actually buff ibuki lol

[midnight heron]

ic

[zenith tundra]

sounds like a good def torp meme with ibuki and something else

[midnight heron]

ibuki noshiro kasumi

[zenith tundra]

might work lol

[midnight heron]

its still ijn vg in the end

no escape

[zenith tundra]

with kasumi being new eldridge

pure rng but it's torp memes

[coral wren]

Yeah, pure ijn backline, pure ijn vang

what a bliss

Ijn must have been winning world war in al universe

[zenith tundra]

suruga skill is a 5% dr for each main fleet ship with stupid long cd. idk if it's any decent tbh

[coral wren]

I guess it depends if it stays right when main ships start throwing bullets. Honestly, i think if random pellets can proc it then it's just goes into the trash

[zenith tundra]

if u proc it at 5s by torp u cannot proc it again till 40s

[vague token]

cd starts immediately

there are only 5 seconds of downtime

aka barely any

[coral wren]

Ah

[zenith tundra]

ok my bad

i thought it was after cd

then it is good

9% dr on all backlines ships

[vague token]

and armor built in!

she's like 600 hp higher

aka one +10 armor lol

[zenith tundra]

also way worse dmg output

[vague token]

well, depends

[coral wren]

Pattern is unknown

[zenith tundra]

she is pretty much a mg bb in pvp like ws

without 10s snipe

and backlines focus

[vague token]

and huge total hp

unless you skip the sub 20% part (aka never in pvp)

[zenith tundra]

dev 25 fdg has more ehp and i find her a dead weight in pvp

[vague token]

120/dev 30 fdg has 800 more hp before evasion/luck

assuming good uptime on suruga's dr skill

[zenith tundra]

fdg barrage also hits every 15s pretty much

[coral wren]

Was there any instance when 10% heal would save your ass in pvp? Speaking of monarch's heal which is 15%. She has 10%

[vague token]

1600 hp requires an extra shell or two

so it might save you

[zenith tundra]

u don't need 10% heal when u can ignore dmg for 15s

that is alone way more then the 10% heal

[vague token]

hiryuu is like a non-factor nowadays, so easy to just focus down

[zenith tundra]

that's defense

[vague token]

sometimes i can sink her before her own 2nd standard launch

[hot creek]

I've seen Monarchs who refuse to die

[zenith tundra]

and again people don't know how to set up hiryuu properly to stall

[vague token]

im pretty sure ws+any other hms results in forced final counter around 22-24

[hot creek]

it doesn't happen often at all. But I've seen it before, and I was amazed.

[coral wren]

rng happens

[vague token]

much less nagato splash or amagi focus

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

i'm talking about offense and hiryuu dmg is more reliable then a bb and she can tank insane amount of focus

[vague token]

i mean, the gap between hiryuu's hp running another high hp bb is even larger though on offense

since defense does less damage, the gap in ehp grows

[coral wren]

7 more hours to see what is her barrage

[vague token]

like, armor hiryuu has a whopping what, 15.7k hp?

suruga will hit like 25k

so invuln basically wont matter much compared to the raw ehp of suruga/fdg

especially since suruga also shares her dr with the team

well, it depends on when

final counter is more like an offense skill than defense really

cause it compressed your air strikes

which is why i prefer to focus hiryuu early nowadays

cause then you just cut off her damage output at 2-3 strikes

instead of 4-5

depending on non-focused damage

plus, if you focus her vg will just absorb most of it

course if you run armor azuma you might want to avoid that

xD

[midnight heron]

for me shes now just a straggler killer, and if u proc her early u wont hav stragglers for her to finish off so u win

2op

[zenith tundra]

final counter is best skill in the game hands down. i had hiryuu solo amagi and fdg because she procced final counter without vg around after my amagi died before juneau

[midnight heron]

also i rly hated those hiryuu vs hiryuu situations

[meager dawn]

Also wat happens if you get a draw in pvp

[midnight heron]

sometimes u fk up and dont rmb who procced or not

ur account gets deleted

[meager dawn]

[midnight heron]

i never ever risked a draw just to test it so

[meager dawn]

Managed to get a draw once but I was just testing my fleet on the enemy fleet

turned off internet so idk the result

[midnight heron]

still havent seen anyone timeout

[meager dawn]

how tf do you time out

[shy hazel]

any timeout is a loss

[midnight heron]

havent even seen anyone get past 2min remaining

[shy hazel]

it happened in jp

unequipped ykkzs

[meager dawn]

wait wat

[vague token]

im pretty sure i had a full wipe before

on both sides

it was a loss

[midnight heron]

but how do u know timeout is a draw

and they dont just take remaining hp as the determining factor

[shy hazel]

i mean there was an ss in jp server

about it

[meager dawn]

so draw = loss?

[shy hazel]

a timeout is a loss

[meager dawn]

[midnight heron]

lmao rip

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

yeah, there are no draws, only you lose or you win

[keen sparrow]

5min fight

[midnight heron]

but my same question will apply tho

do u lose cuz of lower hp

or is it cuz timeout

[vague token]

im pretttyyy sure i had double ko and it said loss

[shy hazel]

hp doesnt matter

lol

[meager dawn]

well rip

[shy hazel]

alot of games has the same mechanic

if u dont win within the timeframe u just lose

[midnight heron]

rekt

[shy hazel]

thats the 20% offense buff

for is

so u are rigged to win

if u lose

pepega

[meager dawn]

But I'm a pleb

Losing with 20% buff

[shy hazel]

good for you

[midnight heron]

i lose cuz rng ||fk rng||

[shy hazel]

if u have friends u can do the same test

maximize ykkz hp but no guns

use a backline that imcrease vg def and stat

but no weps or barrage

watch the magic

[midnight heron]

akashi + vestal backline

[shy hazel]

still hard to do with collisions tho

lol

[meager dawn]

arizona with confetti gun

what how

[shy hazel]

[forest lake]

[shy hazel]

owari da indeed

[forest lake]

Imagine losing to 2 ARs

[vague token]

imagine using

[shy hazel]

its auto win for ent alrdy tho

[coral wren]

Or sara

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

[keen sparrow]

[meager dawn]

[keen sparrow]

pray all dmg to 1

[shy hazel]

oh

forgot ars has aa

[meager dawn]

how tf did they shoot all of the planes

did they have 3 +10 PR AA radars each

[vague token]

ars have AAGM+1

[meager dawn]

[shy hazel]

very bad planes

[vague token]

so with triple pr air radar they should be able to nuke planes

[shy hazel]

and very good aa guns

anyways

lets see if this update is truly

meta shaking

[meager dawn]

meta shooking

[vague token]

ill sleep soon so tell me how the barrage is when you build her xD

[shy hazel]

this is like what happened when amagi happened

go sleep

never wake up again

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

you cant get rid of me that easily ;)

[hot creek]

I gots no interest in IJN

[vague token]

the memes never die

[hot creek]

so no powerleveling this time

[shy hazel]

punchline is u wake up in isekai

azurlane world

as akashi

[hot creek]

A world where yanderes exist is a tad spooky

[coral wren]

as suicide boat

[vague token]

eh, id rather not. al world has extra-dimensional/temporal space monsters

hard pass

[coral wren]

to ram into amagi and kill her

I do wonder tho if fc+ws will kill with no problems new ijn setup

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

Can't really hide centaur, it's 2 barrages that will hurt her

[meager dawn]

ender posted it

[shy hazel]

sexposed

[vague token]

gottem

[hot creek]

what if i told you. mid centaur is not that bad

[coral wren]

Uhh

[hot creek]

Less than 40% cause your VG blocks it sometime

[meager dawn]

Just slap VH on centaur- oh wait

[zenith tundra]

is wfc an actual defense?

[meager dawn]

[coral wren]

I'd say we won't have that much choice tbh. If suruga really will hurt alot

[meager dawn]

@zenith tundra no

just attack

[coral wren]

If mid cent is what it takes to overcome, then so be it

[zenith tundra]

suruga shoots once every match who knows if she is relevant

by her 2nd barrage she is food for cv dmg

[coral wren]

I do hope so. Kgv was overhyped when ppl datamined her as well, lel

[meager dawn]

She was?

I thought she just kinda meh

[coral wren]

Uh, yes. For buff and barrage

[zenith tundra]

i remember she was

[coral wren]

She appeared to be selfbuffer

Ye, decent

But not op

How ppl thought she would end up

[zenith tundra]

dunno if decent is enough for how broken ijn is in pvp

[vague token]

centaur on defense

[shy hazel]

thats why well just

have to wait

i have all broken ships in the game anyways

not like hooloo who doesnt have nagato

[zenith tundra]

would u even invest time and oaths on a ship not good for pve or pvp

[vague token]

yes

xD

maybe not oath but time for sure

[keen sparrow]

[vague token]

gotta get my team burn/flood up and running

[meager dawn]

Oath jaburin

[hot creek]

I have a lvl 120, 200 aff

Also have all her skins

[zenith tundra]

idk now i'm not even sure i want the oath pack since no new good ships outside of noshiro

i know but i have to buy the bag for gems

[hot creek]

So many weird comp/combos I'd like to test out but no money for all them rings

[coral wren]

do you even need them, it's only 6%

[zenith tundra]

for pvp kind of. hp is boosted a lot from 6% and 2.34x modifier

[ionic magnet]

not like hooloo who doesnt have nagato
you think im not lurking

[vague token]

it's a big deal, the more hp you have the more it matters

[ionic magnet]

ngl im scared ill get her skin later

[vague token]

on ships with no hp it doesnt matter

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

that would be cursed

[hot creek]

I miss the days where I could buy a ring for a mere 700 yen...in another universe that also happen to have shipgirls

Also miss having a job

[zenith tundra]

is 0.5% buildable... kind of don't want to wait for noshiro

[meager dawn]

Yes

[hoary pasture]

do we have the barrage pattern for suruga yet?

[meager dawn]

I got 2 BBkagas and 0 amagi

[zenith tundra]

not yet

have to wait for sl 10

ryuuhou hp is 1.6k lower then centaur... why tf is centaur a cvl

[ionic magnet]

eh just grind noshiro
shes literally everywhere

[vague token]

centaur is post war

so she gets to be op

;)

[zenith tundra]

that makes sense but then again why is she in al

[vague token]

well, al does cover post war technically

the presumable siren attack that wipes out most of humanity occurs during or after wwii

[shy hazel]

because basically

[vague token]

leading to stuff like fw

[shy hazel]

centaurs ass was made in ww2

[vague token]

basically dont think about it, timeline is whack

[shy hazel]

took like what

20 years to finish centaur

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

oh wait i checked wikipedia

[zenith tundra]

is noshiro 15% flat evasion rate or just a 15% evasion stat buff?

[shy hazel]

9 years

[hot creek]

Centaur's ass is a fine piece of work 👌

[zenith tundra]

flat 15% evasion sunds kind of broken

[hot creek]

we already know what happens when its even just 10%

[sharp wing]

Looks at Yat

yeah, no

[hot creek]

Uh nah, I was referring to Amagi lol. But its probably whatever for VG's

[sharp wing]

chinawall is most broken eva rate buff 30%

and still

[zenith tundra]

unlike chinawall torp can actually kill bosses

[sharp wing]

lmao

chinawall can auto max threat ch12 bosses at 105-107 lvl tho

[zenith tundra]

i mean dmg not survivability

[sharp wing]

ded ships deal 0 damage

surprise

[coral wren]

more bland kimono skins incoming

[meager dawn]

slap oxytorps on them

[sharp wing]

And if u actually have maxed skill chinawall, their damage is very decent

But u surely don't

[meager dawn]

when will yat sen come back

[zenith tundra]

i mostly meant taihou but whatever

[sharp wing]

Expecting late winter early spring

as always

Where did taihoe come from even

[zenith tundra]

the only boss where torp memes is a thing

oh forgot w13 is not a thing in en

[sharp wing]

actually torp meme is thing on ch12 too

and basically any boss

[meager dawn]

inb4 boss is light armor

[sharp wing]

Briing kawaiikaze

[zenith tundra]

if not heavy armor ur better off with ca and autoing

[sharp wing]

kawaiikaze specifically made for light armor torping

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't manual if torp wouldn't just demolish a boss

[zenith tundra]

40 build got suruga ryuuhou and kinu still missing dd

[coral wren]

Can you make a recording of suruga's barrage?

[zenith tundra]

60 builds got all. i'll do but it sl1

[coral wren]

That's fine, there shouldn't be any drastic changes in pattern

[zenith tundra]

40% is harsh

0/4 so farm

[frail orbit]

Wtf . . .

Got this ss from my friend who played CN

[zenith tundra]

0/6 my suruga is bugged

[coral wren]

That doesn't look like a narrow barrage even remotely

[zenith tundra]

40% my ass

[shy hazel]

i want vid not pics

[frail orbit]

More like big 7 + torps as far as my friend in CN (Mel) described it

Would probably asked her some video

[coral wren]

40% is a bitch, yeah

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

sorry bad quality

[frail orbit]

Thx there

[zenith tundra]

seems like 2x2 focused plus aoe

[coral wren]

it's fine, thank you very much

[zenith tundra]

this might actually be worth wtf

[forest lake]

Damn

[zenith tundra]

if the dmg is good

[coral wren]

kgv is crying in the corner

[zenith tundra]

on the other hand suruga competition is amagi and hiryuu. tough to beat

[coral wren]

Well, for a defense fleet i guess you can put her instead of hiryuu since everybody is doing fine against her

[shy hazel]

big ass barrage

[zenith tundra]

the fact that she hits even opponents not straight ahead is nuts but i hope that dmg is good because 20s cd is long af in pvp

[shy hazel]

i have a feeling

the focused part is weak

well see

[zenith tundra]

that was literally lvl 1 suruga

sl 1 too

[forest lake]

IJN cancer

[zenith tundra]

the enhanced pvp part seems to be exactly the shells focusing on other opponent then the one straight ahead

[forest lake]

Wait

Does the barrage get cucced by shields

Like Izumo pre FS5

[zenith tundra]

strong part no only small bullets

[forest lake]

Ah nice

Not there are any shields in PVP anyway

[zenith tundra]

she has small bullets that cover screen and strong focused ones

[hot creek]

Not the first time IJN barrages getting special treatment. Looks at non IJN Big-7

[forest lake]

Nagato Suruga WarKai it is

Might do Noshiro Ykkz Juneau

[inner zenith]

Hello everyone

[zenith tundra]

i would still prefer amagi over suruga because of fast barrage and stronger defensive buffs (especially fire reduction)

[forest lake]

No Amagi

[zenith tundra]

F

ce rerun soon tm

[forest lake]

Tfw FW and WC rerun still pending

[zenith tundra]

wc was in february

[forest lake]

Oh

Next event is likely to be Polaris

I wouldn't be surprised if JP/CN gets another new event later on

[zenith tundra]

12x2 heal from ryuuhou sounds so good

[ionic magnet]

ill be sad if noshiro eva buff is not flat rate

[zenith tundra]

from gamepleay-help talk seems flat

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu gets dred so she deserves that little something

[meager dawn]

Doubt we'd get WC rerun since we basically got the rerun ships too

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

they might just pair it with fw since no new ships in both

like they did with mikasa and isss

[ionic magnet]

anyways ill be replacing sheff with noshiro

free bulge what a dream

[zenith tundra]

free bulge till azuma makes torp memes actual memes

[ionic magnet]

well we have 6 months so its worth imo

[inner zenith]

so like EN too early to get azuma guns. is she still good w/o her main guns or does that pr2 gun make or break her

[zenith tundra]

i think noshiro is the closest to oath for me

[ionic magnet]

same

[meager dawn]

just use the shark gun as a shitty substitute

[inner zenith]

xD

[zenith tundra]

she need her gun to be good

[ionic magnet]

thing is azuma needs dev20 also

[inner zenith]

ah that sucks. it makes or breaks

[zenith tundra]

anything else is not even comparable

[ionic magnet]

or was it dev25

[zenith tundra]

u'll get her gun before she is usable level

[meager dawn]

wasn't there some guy that said azuma works at like dev10 or something if you have her gun

[ionic magnet]

really

[meager dawn]

I don't remember if it was twi or janny who said it

lemme check

[zenith tundra]

u can use he at any level but dev 20 is where she gets a lot from aux gun efficiency increase

[ionic magnet]

i only got 4 gun bps rn

[inner zenith]

nice

[zenith tundra]

she will feel really slow compared to ca before dev 20. low stats plus mehish mg cd

[ionic magnet]

well keyword is "works"

ill prolly use other botes til i get her to dev20

[meager dawn]

he even says azuma is good at dev15 w/ gun

[zenith tundra]

good as a tank yes

dps not that much

[inner zenith]

not sure whether to rush dev 20 azuma or just stick to dev 10 and focus on dfg

:\

[zenith tundra]

u should do both of them at the same time

[meager dawn]

rush azuma

I think I have an 8 hr azuma research

probably done rn

[ionic magnet]

im rushing azuma but i have more fdg bps somehow lol

[zenith tundra]

u might want to prioritize one or the other when both researches are available

[meager dawn]

inb4 1 azuma bp

also no 457mm Bps

[hoary pasture]

so confirmed suruga is broken? k

[zenith tundra]

i'd wait to see her dmg max sl and good level

her barrage is definitely good

[meager dawn]

Good level being 120

[zenith tundra]

too bad for timing

100 at least

[forest lake]

If only her barrage was on gun fire

[zenith tundra]

if that barrage was on gun it would be beyond broken

[hoary pasture]

looks like she doesnt need flag either

[zenith tundra]

just that she always hit backlines instead of rng like amagi is a great plus

in pvp not really but pve still needs flag

[inner zenith]

the vid upost her barrage looks more spread out

[hoary pasture]

what's the difference with how she works in pve vs pvp again?

[meager dawn]

What's the unupgraded version look like

[zenith tundra]

all strong shells land in the middle of the screen

pve barrage all strong shells in the middle

[hoary pasture]

naruhodo

[zenith tundra]

that wide spread is interesting tbh

[hoary pasture]

so it's official then? fdg is dead memes

[meager dawn]

also is that ryuuhou

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[forest lake]

Ryuuhou

[coral wren]

I hope not. I invested 2much for fdg at this point

[zenith tundra]

even if suruga is pvp viable she is pretty much dependent on nagato

[coral wren]

Just to be powercrept by some fucking sr ijn bullshit

[zenith tundra]

fdg would still be better in any non nagato comp

[coral wren]

Ahh, the thing is, is there really any other non nagato comp that is viable with fdg

[meager dawn]

Literally any comp?

[zenith tundra]

ws kai amagi fdg maybe

[ionic magnet]

*any comp with warkai

[zenith tundra]

but literally any ws kai fdg comp

[hoary pasture]

just use powercreep to beat ijn

lul

[zenith tundra]

ain't that current meta?

[hoary pasture]

wait suruga's ehp calculations took into account the 10% healing thing right?

[forest lake]

[zenith tundra]

most likely

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Well, it's nagato amagi and ws rn. But torp meme plays much bigger role than backline tbh

[shy hazel]

warspite meta era october 2019 to december 2019

[coral wren]

fdg ws hiryuu perhaps

[shy hazel]

fdg meta era didnt event begin

[coral wren]

Could work

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

suruga barrage must hit harder then bb kaga for her to be a thing

[coral wren]

Well, ppl might use her just for that 10% reduced dmg

[zenith tundra]

as a defense meme wall for sure

for offense i'll wait and see her consistency vs namaryuu

[forest lake]

Got so many skills to raise

With no books

[coral wren]

stat wise she is ok and barrage looks ok. But if she appears to be worse than hiryuu on practice that would be funny

[forest lake]

Fleet wide dr

[zenith tundra]

imo any 3 bb comp is worse then 2 bb 1 cv comp for consistency

[hoary pasture]

idk why but i get a gut feeling suruguus wont be stronger than fdg

maybe the barrage dmg will fall short of it

[shy hazel]

we will know in like what

4 days

[zenith tundra]

i don't think she is either but nagato buffs her

[coral wren]

20% accuracy is quite bonkers

[frail orbit]

FDG just straight up broken anyway

[forest lake]

I mean FdG doesn't provide Dreduction

[coral wren]

Is she?

[shy hazel]

fdg case is she deserves it

cos dev levels

[coral wren]

Her barrage isn't really devastating

[shy hazel]

but this one

u just need to roll

[coral wren]

She is just healthy as fuck

[zenith tundra]

15s barrage cd that hits like a mk6 mg shoot

[coral wren]

She has 0 luck tho, so she should miss very very often

[zenith tundra]

she is a bit reliant on mg shoots to be top tier dmg

that hit is her only downside

which hurts against amagi cancer meta

[coral wren]

Well, if there was non ijn flag that could boost acc, that would help her

alas

[keen sparrow]

suruga barrage look gud

[coral wren]

we wait for next uss event and pray for a decen flagship

[zenith tundra]

it still wouldn't help fdg but maybe make uss good in pvp

[shy hazel]

i mean even if she isnt as good as fdg

as long as near

it takes time to invest in fdg

while i can just skip that and focus more on azuma

but en players like nazi ships for no reason

[coral wren]

Well, if fdg could get 20% acc that would be quite something

ppl stack sg on her, right?

Like, double sg

[hoary pasture]

yah idk how to do this, fdg has higher fp dmg numbers but lower acc

[ionic magnet]

amagi has 23 luck only yet noone is complaining

[zenith tundra]

she gets buffed by nagato

[keen sparrow]

fdg fate simulation add 15 luck n 25 accuary

[meager dawn]

Who gives a shit about 23 luck when you have like 6 skills

[ionic magnet]

14 hit is like what not even half SG

[hoary pasture]

isnt fdg going to get to fire more shots off though cause of how her odd vs even shot mechanic works?

[zenith tundra]

better then nothing tho. especially since it doesn't use an aux slot

she outpaces anyone in long firing sessions and her mg dmg boost is nuts

[ionic magnet]

if you do the math amagi only wins by about 3-4% hit rate even with nagato buff

[hoary pasture]

yah so that's what im thinking, with how suruga and fdg are both tanky as hell, wont it come down to a long slugfest?

[shy hazel]

thats the purpose of harassment fleets

fdg suruga cancer fleet

add hiryuu in the mix

[zenith tundra]

amagi suruga fdg max stalling

[meager dawn]

That's a fuckton of annoying

[hoary pasture]

juneau?

[shy hazel]

now u be forced to spend more time in pvp

jun u dont even have to mention

any proper pvp team has jun

[meager dawn]

inb4 torpmemes

[hoary pasture]

lol is there a vg that can do full backline dmg mitigation?

[shy hazel]

ykkz and jun

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze

[ionic magnet]

nanoda

[shy hazel]

that 15% is more than what it looks like

or was it 10%

[hoary pasture]

no 3rd ship?

[meager dawn]

NANODA

[ionic magnet]

azuma

[shy hazel]

3rd slot has always been free slot

[zenith tundra]

just use azuma for max stalling

[meager dawn]

3rd slot is +1

[shy hazel]

i guess i did the right thing investing in azuma first

[ionic magnet]

for now noshiro looks really good as 3rd too