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her hit rating is one reason why i'll keep namaryuu over namagi fdg
if i get lucky with pack skin i might get hers
i need gems for ring pack...
Imma just go into debt with the 79.99 one 
don't feel like buying 2.4k or 4.9k for 2x
if suruga is good i'm getting hers
also cubes if I happen to run out
i'm more worried about money then cubes. gonna be around 70k by event start
Yea guess I'll spam either free or Q ones
Don't really care about Polaris besides Hipper and Cleve so I guess I'll be full time researching then
i only needed the gems and oil lol
oil lol
no box for jp till event
mmm
i follow jp stream on bag annoncements
quite lazy on follow al rn tho lol
if pr2 didnt happen i wont even be buying the box
that ring pack... if it wouldn't be for that i might have skipped too
i'm looking at fdg pics in trophy and wtf is that text under DR.... nice work as always it seems
🚮
🇫
for those whose trophy is already ruined
i remember my roon pic with bad priority text

i remember that too
oya
i wonder if they will give ang bao this ny
or is that cny only

ang bao 
free gems

i guess
But I'm 70% sure they'll give something
u have none saved or u keep those for iris rerun?
Especially when the event is aimed at destroying our wallets 
jp patch notes are out already and there is a ring pack
im using it for this dr farm
but well
only god knows how many gold ill use in event build

i'd rather not whale. if i cannot build ships till i finish money i'll just switch to 3x daily
id rather quit than not reach 100% every month
I really want Ryuuhou at least


i'll whale last day is some god damn ships just doesn't drop like cleveland muse
got that bitch 2nd to last day after building 10 sr event ships
she is bad so who cares
i don't really care about collection even more since i have no will to bother with bunker hill
no one bothers with pvp channel so who cares
i scrolled up... it was something

there is a bit of spam even in #bot-spam where it belong lol
fdg fanbois on suicide watch
no fdg skin for en
they delayed her skin also
yeah rip en
maybe because they want people to have the ships before releasing the skins
godbless en
petty sure the average al player is not even close to finishing 2m/2.4m xp
she wasn't build only from beginning at least according to jp news
on noshiro
she is in built but not main way of getting her
ya
yea shes literally everywhere
shes in build
Noshiro will be obtainable as event reward!
this was jp news
this is jp patch notes
Construction Period: December 26th after maintenance - January 9th maintenance.
SSR
Suruga: 2% (rate up)
Ryuuhou: 2% (rate up)
Noshiro: 0.5%
SR
Kasumi: 2.5% (rate up)
Kinu: 0.7%
i wish theyll remove her but ofc thats not happening
careful we still dont know the skills 
i dont care about the skills
PR2 skins on Jan 
what could be cute about fdg?
her VA

im only waiting for gascon swimsuit anyways 
speaking of swimsuit
WHERE TF IS SIRIUS SWIMSUIT
🚮
i would guess sirius swimsuit with wc rerun or wc war archive
not before fw tho
fw... i lost hope about that
jp only got rerun never og run
they can put fw into archive for all i care
if they just give the plane + radar to us before doing it
i need 2nd pirate and hsfcr
Justice for new players
and you think the community going to stay quiet?

i guess cn bias. only they need to have 2 hsfcr and pirate
Just do the same prize pool for another event with gear from FW
any slot in pvp needs 1 rudder anyways
is still 0 content regardless
i don't either that much but i still want it
then a damn sg

¯_(ツ)_/¯
I’d say maybe they have something planned but the devs seem more keen on releasing new stuff compared to reruns
like this upcoming event and the Minecraft collab
The retired events should get gears placed in core data shop imo
that would be great but it ends up in research instead which is much worse
Or hey, better yet, merit shop (lol)
LOL
Wtf is PR shop
PR shop would be pretty okay tbh
That’s a thing?
put it in shop rather then research
when was there a PR shop?
Not in EN yet
CN/JP can scrap excess PR prints for PR shop currency
Which then can buy general prints, up to a limit per month
fair warning tho stagg is not in that shop
Need to dev30 ship first
No need to fs5
That’s sad
If you don't have PR1 at dev30 yet, it's useless to you
6?
imo should still wait for fate 5. when u need dr bps it's hard to go back to pr1 reseaeches
7 stagg?
its still better to mix some ufo guns
tbh i would use staag even on yuki lol

who cares about aa
people never use cvs nowadays anyways
i use bad pr2 staag on her
Luccsacc
more like cv on def don't mean much
like what certain research
spam Q and G
i'm really unlucky with 457 bps
Have 2 so far
I friend of mine is closing in on his 7th STAAG/Rudder from spaming Q research 
he don't do ship bp?
6 is enough for pvp
since who give a shit about pve
You run 6 rudders in pvp?
i only use 4 in pvp
Was gonna say
I forget rudder also gives speed doesn’t it
tbh
no lol
im just too lazy to remove it
u get rudder in pr2 which is really good

rudder give eva + hp
I’ll buy one for gems off you
well cus CA is a thing
never have enough rudder
and skill
stagg you can make do using bofor
it would be nice a boiler with toolbox hp
something better then pr2 skins i would assume 
We won’t know event ships skills till tomorrow?
They're already out on JP/CN media
Unless you mean their skills
Then you have to wait for data mines
In about 12 hours
Ok thank you
Yeah, when I logged that one, it was :wtf:
That's not even the 30 min project, it's the 8H DR focus
And then when you do that project,
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657415262634770462/657433939773882369/Screenshot_20191219-230625_Azur_Lane.jpg
is it possible to learn this power
Not from a metaslave.... 
even with 6 ships including repair ship with 3 aa radar i cant even reliably 1 shot planes
Reliably 2-shotting is good enough if you have a good AA gun setup
if you have a shitty setup, glhf on auto 
then ur vg chooses to actively avoid planes on auto so ur backline dies
A single repair ship is all the AA you need for w12
Not an issue if your AA range covers the whole screen 
not enuf roomba 

Need more dakka
@hot creek i have one of those videos for you
However disc won’t let me send it due to file size
youtube
Also I technically did lose but the final winning salvo was literally in the air Amagi had 1 hp
amagi still alive? couldve whiffed the whole salvo 
That's not meta 
Also you need to find a stall VG.
roon leipkai z46 currently
my vanguard beat the ayakai yuki jintsukai surprisingly but they missed majority of their torps
You need to find an opponent with a stall VG is what I meant.
speaking of junuea, did do some experimenting with junuea and amagi replacing tirpitz and z46 and it was a much better upgrade to full KMS
i will force it to work through sweat blood and tears
Cause juneau and amagi are op
meta
juneau and amagi are beyond meta
they're more like anomalies in the grand scheme of the game
shitty

Now I wanna try Graf/Zeppy/Amagi team 
Graf FDG Amagi seems like hyper carry FDG backline
- Jun keep her alive as long as possible
zeppy is more pve oriented since she can defend herself with her gun/barrage
she'll hit like 410 fp at max stacks
for her barrage
I love using zeppy in pve so much
plus she scales pretty decently with the Per/Kms buff
can defend herself from suicide boats and doesn't waste time time-dilating like BB's do. Also has dope barrage 
Zeppy is only CV w/ gun that has actual Fp so... Wish Houshou had some FP
Or LB0 langley for memes
w/ her DD gun

well, average FP for gun defense is lower
But assuming u not getting any jihads in yr face before 1st stack
effective average fp is pretty high
But she only has 2 mounts
Also zeppy can achieve weird loadout of 3/5/0

5 divers is pretty unique
lol


Already starting to miss having Neptune as my secretary. Im just gonna forgo the passive affinity gains for Azuma.
i don't think graf amagi fdg would work. graf does negative dmg. fdg has bad acc so she misses a lot and amagi can only do so much dmg. i think it would lack way too much dmg to even beat namaryuu
Did my FDG scare off the boss
Is there any videos / page on the wiki showing off the research shop?
I don't think En will have it, till it's implemented on EN
Hm, will bisco's crit affect zeppy's barrage?
It only affects MGs, even outside of barrages
torps, planes and cannons(Main Guns)
this is also why her secondary so crappy, she can't even buff it with crits
well, she happened to be quite a disaster ship
shelling wise she isnt super amazing, just decent (cause auto crit)
Well, to be fair even after that fix her barrage is still kinda non existent
yeah her barrage is just w/e
well, yongshi fucked up pretty hard at making an above average bb which shouldn't be that hard tbh
i'df like to see the difference in fdg numbers when she is around and when she is not
tbh I actually quite like her in PvE
like having a boosted gun-cl in the team with gimped range, great for when you level stuff that has 0 cleanup ability like torpDD/torpCA
the issue is her skill being -%dmg
which stacks additively with other -%dmg
Basically useless at 0 ammo (-85% damage)
and heavily nerfed in PvP (-55% damage, -44% relative to other ship's secondaries)
really, they could've just set her secondary efficiency to like 140% or something smh
Buuuut.... I'm pretty sure devs don't actually understand their own game mechanics 
"hmm, small nerf to +30% evarate, that's making it +30% evasion, right?" (Birmingham)
"hmm, a +15% evarate buff is like not that much, right?" (Amagi OG version)
I also like her in pve, but for anything high lvl she cannot do the job of auxiliary defense. But i still like her, she is pretty fun to use
I slapped on her maxed scattergun, that is fun too
-85% damage though at 0 ammo
that's like torp DD levels of gun damage 
CLs do like twice Bis' secondary damage at 0 ammo, unless you use the special equip
And if u slap on her something like Tbsk, she can target production and completely ignore jihads rushing in too
ehh, just use in maps where jihad isn't much of a problem
you use her to support vanguard ships that can't clean up trash anyways
well, i dun use her anyway, cause she's been 200 for a while
slack
i mean, it's like that every game despite her having crit buffs and rb mag
Ye... i feel like some hms shitters were memeing here all along
"sheffield gud" my fucking ass
does she? Quite often she dies with juneau leaving roach all alone against healthy 2 enemy vg ships
Well, i guess with fc she is handy
but with 3 bbs
things aren't that fun
you dont use sheff for her dmg 
ehh, she isn't that squishy, you're just getting unlucky
15% averaged Dred is great for reducing Jun snipes too
and don't forget her 15% averaged Dred is still active on Ykkz even if Sheff sinks
i use juneau lead with sheff mid
that way you can reduce some of the frontloaded risk to juneau
she literally has 1 job and that's making jun and nanoda tankier
but still make sure triple bb backlines still sink juneau first
but not too late
cause nowadays non-lead juneau against warspite+x can fail to sink juneau before destroying whoever warspite is aiming at
Jun mid with Sheff buff sometimes just decides to be immortal 
like namaspite can just fail to sink juneau before focusing whoever the main target is
if she isnt lead
Just use Hiryuu, can't be sniped 
kek
Just sank Jav, feels so satisfying

Set her up defensively, and sometimes she doesn't even proc counter before you win 
i just use amagi armor/rudder so it's fine
I'm lvling Baka atm, and I fuccing laugh my pants off when enemy WS misses 2 barrages againt her in a row w/ 9 lvls advantage
sounds like double shell
even 1 shell is pretty inaccurate
Sounds like double SG too
another matchup vs ws she finished w/ 80% hp 
hms (and every decent comp p much) has only one problem at this point and thats opening torps
sheff is the only one that can help there so shes "good" in that sense
maybe black prince too but eh
Use Leander


Leander is very fragile herself anyways
Don't know if she makes anyone tankier but i'm losing vg vs vg trades, sheff dies along with juneau most of the time
But she a good girl
doing jackshit
i mean sheff is supposed to sink around juneau timing cause she doesnt have her own shield
or just a bit after
and she is squish
one things for sure
your jun will die faster without sheff 
well, not much
doesn't really matter. It comes to 2 or 3 vs 1 roach
1 immortal roach you mean
"nagato procs"
Not so immortal anymore, biatch?

i mean it doesnt matter if it's 3 vs ykk or 100 vs ykk, she has rng damage reduction and light speed movement
although i guess im using double boiler and not boiler/fe
xD
nagato procs like half the time and its not like shes always in front of her
siscon+imouto
HMS "port+Indie"
Dorsie had potential as mini Buki, but eh...
vanilla ship

more like buki is what dorsie was supposed to be
She is collection unlock i think?
yeah
half collections are still half locked rewards
well, I only hope for some stuff like pearls and beaver
And maybe some kewl shipfu
i already scrapped collection ships 
Until they encounter a large cruiser
Suruga is cancer confirmed
Enhanced in PVP 
Ryuuhou looks suck so far
Noshiro
Ok the rest are pretty meh
Nvm Kinu looking good too
wow noshiro skills look good
was just talking about only problem in pvp rn are torps

70% chance proc barrage, enhanced in PVP
And some good looking dr
5s interval between drs
yeah well we have to see that so called enhanced barrage first
Yep
Prolly Namagi Suruga I guess
Suruga barrage has torps it seems
Aw yikes she has 68 hit and 37 luck
Ok looks like she's an upgraded Amagi statwise
Guess I'll switch to Nagato, WarKai, Suruga

ill def raise suruga and noshiro now i can justify buying their skins
ijn new era
rip ryuuhou
yeah those skills and loadout are 
Guess I'll just whatever
Buy it
I guess you could expect Suruga barrage to be an upgraded Amagi barrage
Just whel
I'd just whel for all their 3 skins tbh
Yea same I guess
we need build times
Also Suruga have some decent tits so well


Or was is Noshiro
FUck it time to read again
Noshiro buffs Buki
Can say she's a better Jintsuu
Albeit the dr is replaced with eva instead
And torp dr
Oh Ryuuhou is super good
She's an upgraded Unicorn that heals backline
lmao

Now I can buy her skin with no regrets
can use that to farm fl
Even more powercreep

nvm Ryuuhou skill is single target heal
3% of Ryuuhou's HP healed for a single unit every 3 secs 3 times for the lowest HP unit after airstrike
Total of 9% across 3 ships
nvm fuck translations
Is there anything better on attack than hiryuu?
HMS
Warspite and then what?
I use monarch and qe
W14 sub hell
🤔
torp meta going strong 
Kinu 180% torp eff, torp damage boost, 30% double torp, 15% damage boost

Noshiro torp buff seems like downgraded Jintsuu, tho she does offer more fleet survivability
kasumi bringing back eldridge ptsd
that makes 0 sense
so like does suruga's damage reduction cd start after it ends
or after it starts
aka 5 seconds down time?

also RIP shouhou
ryuuhou's heal lol
i mean, if you run 2:1
that's all you really need
oh wait 3 main
3:1 lel
yeah that's really strong
muh budget strat
double monitors
or w/e
jintsuu noshiro buki
have fun 
Needles I guess?
Idk it's Dunccuc
But I think he'll update his DPS calc with these
Tfw no Amagi
how are those arcing shots aimed
Imma just Nagato WarKai Suruga away
are they like amagi's?
or fixed
cause if they're aimed, that's a LOT of aimed shots lol

Nope Azuma Juneau Ykkz is definitely superior
oh ok
so im guessing the 2x2 is aimed?
oh ok
i think her reload is lower than amagi's xD
also, does her damage reduction START on cooldown or is it available immediately 
muh EHP creep
ironically the ship with a retro seems pretty mediocre
Nah she's got 180% torp eff, 15%/20% torp damage boost, 30% for double torp and 15% damage boost
That's a lot
or i guess she's just normal
what, all the sendai class have around 300
or rather after retro
rip naka
oh ok
xD
asw boost 
ok, not the worst scenario
hmm, i want to try sodak/amagi/suruga
all the dr
and then refund it back
xD
the one saving grace is that her barrage is stuck at the 20
xD
also i just read that note at the top left lol
im pretty sure by sheer volume of shells
the damage is fine
what are wash's ratios again?
well she's more of a defensive buffer anyways
xD

suruga vs hiryuu is tough
hiryuu prolly still wins tho
using two botes with 70% barrages is 
been there done that
what isnt reduced gets refunded
Imma just Nagato WarKai Suruga
i mean that's still worse than ykk
ykk has "25 evade rate"
i doubt 5% crit rate and 20% torp (additive) is a large increase
thanks ijn
new barrage 
i feel like ibuki wouldnt be as good as kinu or someone else
ijn metta 4.0 


hail nanonda
well, 600 more hp is large difference
Dred skill is a balanced version of Amagi's
with small bit of zombie
Also Med to Heavy armor
Oh, it's wash-like barrage?
We'll have to see on it's damage
Yeah, her tankiness seems great
Actually suruga seems to be a shittier version of amagi
the pvp adjustment isnt huge, more anti light pellets
i mean, amagi doesnt have a zombie built in
Tbh I'm not sure if I see her edging out FdG
Well, 15% more base and 10% averaged Dred for FdG
10% heal and partial 12% dred for suruga, with higher luck/eva(?)
She heals herself for 10% which is kinda poo
I'm not sure if Suruga is all that less tanky
i mean even if 12% was active all the time, fdg still has 10k base hp and the scaling dr
dont forget suruga gets nagato buff
Damage-wise, I don't see her losing out either with Nagato boost
may try Namasu
So I think FdG quite possibly edged out
With heal popped, FdG only has ~9% more HP
and suruga buffs the other backliners aswell
^
Aka basically 100%
so p much 100%
when i assume 100% activation uptime (it isnt) she hits 10.8k hp with dr
fdg hits 11.6k
close
She also has 37 higher luck and 10 higher evasion
now add the eHP she gives to amagi+nagato
15 s activation time, 20s CD
Suruga can be a stop-gap until our FDG reach full potential
ill just run fdg/suruga/amagi
37 higher luck is like +7% eHP already
10 eva, iirc around +5% or so?
If your vg hits it eArly and triggers her
real question is hiryuu vs suruga tbh
I assume it starts on CD
But anyways, 15 s of coverage on 20 s cd, mistiming it isn't a thing lol
You can count 15 secs from opening torps, lmao. And when salvo time kicks in it’s already gone and on cd
im pretty sure the only attacks that run into that are like hsfcr 381
Issue is, 20 s is a long time to wait if it starts on CD
otherwise it'll be up by the time you hit 410
I assume it'll start on CD just like every other skill like it
Which is bad since it doesn't cover 457/Dfg/twin381
im pretty sure the majority of "get hit do defense" skills have no cd
Eld
is literally the only one
they usually say if a skill starts on cd no?
ALL the others are available immediately
Huh, that's true
birmingham no cd, zara no cd
lol
eldridge is literally the only defense skill that starts on cd
aka was fair
xD
only power crept up from there
Torps take a good amount of time to travel anyways btw
well if it starts on cd then rip just stick with hiryuu 
I doubt you'll trigger it until ~3s in
Lol that means most BB guns won't be covered, or faster CV strikes
Still think her barrage will be a decisive factor. If it’s meh then whatever
it sounds like a side grade or minor upgrade of wash
with more anti-light armor pellets
xD
should be ok
We'll need to see spread and range
yeah
The damage amount seems okay
inb4 into the water
The pellet range means it might be very good
so many wash-upgrade botes now
imagine getting FW rerun 
cries in biscuit barrage on release 
If disp on arcing is shit though, 🚮
i mean we already got a literal wash upgrade
Amagi's barrage is better if pellets don't reach opposite
Or is arcing dispersion isn't really good
She's, what, 900+900 or so?
1300 arcing is meh
720+480 pellets
This is actually really tight
so It's like KGV arcing but more tight
2x2
or maybe like Baka?
baka fires 4x4 in 2 waves

but they have rng landing in small zone
real bombardment lol
I got gifs of Baka in here somewhere...
What's the dispersion like though?
And do the pellets have enough range to reach enemy main?
16 is very tight dispersion
that's like barely any
That's less than most main guns
What's the pattern though?
Idk how to determine that
i didnt realize they had to specify the font size of the damage per armor type in every attack type lol
that one looks fixed
it's target nil, target nil, target random harm (aka non invuln i guess?)
Do you know what pattern it is, if it even has a pattern component of dispersion?
Well that's tight af
That sounds shit for PvE, no?
the first part takes .5, the 2nd and 3rd dont
Okay, so she reliably lands her 130 by 10 component, that looks good
What about the range on the pellets?
Oh, 95 range
That's pretty bad, no?
Yeah, 95 range doesn't hit enemy main fleet
im pretty sure the pellets are just for harassing vg
Although, that's gun range, not ammo range
Check ammo range
Does gun range even matter for fixed barrage 
Do we know splash radius of main shots?
8h maintenance, great
kusumi skill is like rudder upgrade version 
kusumi,elderidge,nanonda
new loli fleet
eh, i think even with 15% evasion rate it's still less ehp than someone like belfast
and doesnt help shield the vg from anything, just herself
unless you are against torp memes
i mean that's fair then
she's more of a swap in swap out to hard counter something type
id still rather use a smoke for the off chance it procs on barrage timing
but that's just me
im half way to finish jintsu retro 
azuma starts doing dmg at what dev level?
well, she gets mgm+1 at dev 5


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