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forest lake
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Just give FdG some hit boost instead of upgraded skills ResidentSleeper

shy hazel
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i like that en implemented pr2 fast

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but i only have one ship at dev35

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lol

forest lake
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me with none

zenith tundra
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her hit rating is one reason why i'll keep namaryuu over namagi fdg

forest lake
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^

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And also one reason I'll grind her last

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but her skin is PortDoll So

shy hazel
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ill delay her abit

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im low on gold

zenith tundra
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if i get lucky with pack skin i might get hers

shy hazel
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dat ho eats too much

forest lake
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I got fucked by pack skin 2 times already

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So no

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Screw that

zenith tundra
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i need gems for ring pack...

forest lake
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Imma just go into debt with the 79.99 one PecoNico

zenith tundra
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don't feel like buying 2.4k or 4.9k for 2x

forest lake
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Ring pack, Seattle, Monty, FdG, Noshiro, Suruga, Ryuuhou skin

zenith tundra
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if suruga is good i'm getting hers

forest lake
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also cubes if I happen to run out

zenith tundra
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i'm more worried about money then cubes. gonna be around 70k by event start

forest lake
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I have 65 coobs now

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Been dumping them to research too

zenith tundra
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i'm taking today off from research

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already started spamming free ones

forest lake
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Yea guess I'll spam either free or Q ones

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Don't really care about Polaris besides Hipper and Cleve so I guess I'll be full time researching then

shy hazel
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'not bad

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got nep costume

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from gachabox

zenith tundra
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nice

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it's a good skin imo

shy hazel
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i only needed the gems and oil lol

zenith tundra
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oil lol

shy hazel
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got the priciest crack

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its oil this time

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not gols

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did jp got gold in this box

zenith tundra
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no box for jp till event

shy hazel
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i mean xmas

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kp should have xmas random gacha box

zenith tundra
shy hazel
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mmm

zenith tundra
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all the gem ones are the usual

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from what i saw jp gets a lot less bags then en

shy hazel
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i follow jp stream on bag annoncements

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quite lazy on follow al rn tho lol

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if pr2 didnt happen i wont even be buying the box

zenith tundra
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that ring pack... if it wouldn't be for that i might have skipped too

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i'm looking at fdg pics in trophy and wtf is that text under DR.... nice work as always it seems

shy hazel
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lol

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they didnt even plaster over it properly

forest lake
shy hazel
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and the line break

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is gachi

forest lake
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🚮

shy hazel
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there reported

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lol

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i think its temporary tho

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but might as well make sure

zenith tundra
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🇫
for those whose trophy is already ruined

shy hazel
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the dr is way too big

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i can do better job than that

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lol

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to plaster it

zenith tundra
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i remember my roon pic with bad priority text

shy hazel
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i remember that too

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oya

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i wonder if they will give ang bao this ny

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or is that cny only

zenith tundra
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ang bao UnicornFused

shy hazel
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free gems

zenith tundra
shy hazel
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oh thats cny i guess

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they gave out garbage this time

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dorm stuff

forest lake
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you mean red packets? they don't do that on new years

shy hazel
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i guess

forest lake
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But I'm 70% sure they'll give something

shy hazel
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i need gold

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lots of it

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and oil

forest lake
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Gib gems

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Dirty DR grinders

shy hazel
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im about 80% sure there will be ring pack

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for en

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dunno bout jp

forest lake
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If JP gets it then EN for sure
I mean we're getting 2 oath skins

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Seems appropriate

zenith tundra
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u have none saved or u keep those for iris rerun?

forest lake
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Especially when the event is aimed at destroying our wallets EssexHeh

zenith tundra
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jp patch notes are out already and there is a ring pack

shy hazel
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im using it for this dr farm

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but well

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only god knows how many gold ill use in event build

forest lake
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Just whel

shy hazel
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i alrdy bought

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5k gems worth of gold last time

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just gold

forest lake
zenith tundra
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i'd rather not whale. if i cannot build ships till i finish money i'll just switch to 3x daily

shy hazel
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id rather quit than not reach 100% every month

forest lake
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I really want Ryuuhou at least

shy hazel
forest lake
shy hazel
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i have craptons of cubes lately

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my bigger problem is gold

zenith tundra
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i'll whale last day is some god damn ships just doesn't drop like cleveland muse

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got that bitch 2nd to last day after building 10 sr event ships

forest lake
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Tfw Hiei didn't drop for me despite spending 400 cubes and gotten 60 4:10:00 timers

shy hazel
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yup that bitch hiel

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i used like 600 cubes

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lol

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and bought 5k gems of gold

forest lake
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Screw Hiei

zenith tundra
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she is bad so who cares

shy hazel
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ill lose my 100% collec

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thats bad

zenith tundra
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i don't really care about collection even more since i have no will to bother with bunker hill

shy hazel
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oh

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we geting spammed

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this server is

zenith tundra
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no one bothers with pvp channel so who cares

shy hazel
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this is technically hidden so this wont get spammed

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gamefeed is

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lol

zenith tundra
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i scrolled up... it was something

shy hazel
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got OWOed

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LOL

forest lake
zenith tundra
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there is a bit of spam even in #bot-spam where it belong lol

shy hazel
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there fixed

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wrong pic

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yup confirmed

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ring box

ionic magnet
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fdg fanbois on suicide watch

zenith tundra
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no fdg skin for en

ionic magnet
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they delayed her skin also

zenith tundra
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yeah rip en

ionic magnet
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same as seattle

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lmao

shy hazel
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but hey i love them for giving 3k oil and 2.5k gold

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maint freebies

zenith tundra
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maybe because they want people to have the ships before releasing the skins

shy hazel
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godbless en

zenith tundra
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petty sure the average al player is not even close to finishing 2m/2.4m xp

shy hazel
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they removed noshiro from build

zenith tundra
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she wasn't build only from beginning at least according to jp news

ionic magnet
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wdym

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it says construction

shy hazel
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jp said she was in build tho

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lol

ionic magnet
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on noshiro

zenith tundra
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she is in built but not main way of getting her

shy hazel
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ya

ionic magnet
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yea shes literally everywhere

shy hazel
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looking at en patchnote

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shes not in build

ionic magnet
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shes in build

zenith tundra
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Noshiro will be obtainable as event reward!

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this was jp news

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this is jp patch notes

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Construction Period: December 26th after maintenance - January 9th maintenance.
SSR
Suruga: 2% (rate up)
Ryuuhou: 2% (rate up)
Noshiro: 0.5%

SR
Kasumi: 2.5% (rate up)
Kinu: 0.7%

ionic magnet
shy hazel
ionic magnet
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its on first page

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very bottom part

zenith tundra
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she is build too for the memes

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with 0.5%

ionic magnet
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i wish theyll remove her but ofc thats not happening

shy hazel
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kasumi ryuuhou 2 ships u need to build

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that elite scares me

zenith tundra
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i'll be damned if i will not be stuck on suruga

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i don't want that stupid cvl

ionic magnet
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careful we still dont know the skills BuckySmug

shy hazel
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i dont care about the skills

finite valve
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no PR skin

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sad

shy hazel
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i need the ship for completion

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lol

ionic magnet
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theyll prolly do it same as pr1

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dump all their skin in 1 batch

forest lake
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PR2 skins on Jan bukipride

shy hazel
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im not interested in fdg skin anyways

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i want something cute

zenith tundra
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what could be cute about fdg?

cerulean estuary
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her VA

forest lake
ionic magnet
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uncultured swines

forest lake
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Georgia best girl

ionic magnet
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im only waiting for gascon swimsuit anyways HoodSmug

finite valve
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speaking of swimsuit

shy hazel
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oh they going craycray over skin

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good

finite valve
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WHERE TF IS SIRIUS SWIMSUIT

forest lake
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🚮

zenith tundra
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i would guess sirius swimsuit with wc rerun or wc war archive

finite valve
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not before fw tho

zenith tundra
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fw... i lost hope about that

finite valve
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is the same for jp lol

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got fw rerun

zenith tundra
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jp only got rerun never og run

shy hazel
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oh

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they selling 2 new years box

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i pass both

finite valve
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they can put fw into archive for all i care

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if they just give the plane + radar to us before doing it

zenith tundra
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i need 2nd pirate and hsfcr

past egret
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But HCFR UniYan

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Doubt they would because of how good the gear is

forest lake
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Justice for new players

finite valve
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and you think the community going to stay quiet?

forest lake
zenith tundra
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i guess cn bias. only they need to have 2 hsfcr and pirate

finite valve
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either rerun an event with 0 new content

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or scrap it and give player the gear

shy hazel
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if u ask me

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i dont really care for a 2nd hsfcr anymore

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lol

past egret
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Just do the same prize pool for another event with gear from FW

shy hazel
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any slot in pvp needs 1 rudder anyways

finite valve
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is still 0 content regardless

zenith tundra
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i don't either that much but i still want it

shy hazel
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then a damn sg

finite valve
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you do the event for the gear

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not content anymore

coral wren
past egret
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I’d say maybe they have something planned but the devs seem more keen on releasing new stuff compared to reruns

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like this upcoming event and the Minecraft collab

elder crane
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The retired events should get gears placed in core data shop imo

shy hazel
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because

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they already rerunned most stuff

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lol

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they need original stuff

past egret
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They need new gameplay give us guild update

zenith tundra
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that would be great but it ends up in research instead which is much worse

elder crane
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Or hey, better yet, merit shop (lol)

zenith tundra
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LOL

finite valve
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lol just put it in pr shop

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jp already has that function

past egret
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Wtf is PR shop

elder crane
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PR shop would be pretty okay tbh

past egret
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That’s a thing?

finite valve
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put it in shop rather then research

past egret
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when was there a PR shop?

elder crane
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Not in EN yet

finite valve
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just now

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in JP

elder crane
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CN/JP can scrap excess PR prints for PR shop currency

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Which then can buy general prints, up to a limit per month

past egret
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I like that shop

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add it to EN immediately

finite valve
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fair warning tho stagg is not in that shop

elder crane
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Need to dev30 ship first
No need to fs5

finite valve
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so you still need to do PR 1 if you want more

past egret
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That’s sad

elder crane
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If you don't have PR1 at dev30 yet, it's useless to you

finite valve
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got everyone to 30 already

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only missing 6 bp for my last stagg

shy hazel
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i got enuf on all my pvp ships

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that i pass some around to pve

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lol

finite valve
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6?

zenith tundra
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imo should still wait for fate 5. when u need dr bps it's hard to go back to pr1 reseaeches

shy hazel
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i got 7

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and u only need 4 in pvp

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lol

finite valve
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7 stagg?

shy hazel
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its still better to mix some ufo guns

finite valve
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now that nice

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lol

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cancer 3.0 don't need ufo

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full on stagg

zenith tundra
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tbh i would use staag even on yuki lol

shy hazel
zenith tundra
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who cares about aa

shy hazel
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people never use cvs nowadays anyways

zenith tundra
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i use bad pr2 staag on her

shy hazel
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so

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is there any trick to get dr guns faster

forest lake
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Luccsacc

zenith tundra
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more like cv on def don't mean much

shy hazel
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like what certain research

forest lake
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I mean spam Q

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If you see rigging analysis

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Spam

finite valve
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spam Q and G

zenith tundra
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i'm really unlucky with 457 bps

forest lake
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Have 2 so far

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I friend of mine is closing in on his 7th STAAG/Rudder from spaming Q research pepekek

finite valve
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he don't do ship bp?

forest lake
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Idk how he has an FS5 Izumo too

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Luccsacc I guess

finite valve
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might be cus he spam cubes

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i never spam cubes so yeh

past egret
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7th staag and rudder must be nice

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Can’t relate

finite valve
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6 is enough for pvp

shy hazel
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i have 6 rudders

finite valve
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since who give a shit about pve

past egret
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You run 6 rudders in pvp?

shy hazel
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i only use 4 in pvp

past egret
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Was gonna say

shy hazel
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one of ea in backline

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then 1 in ibuki

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for memes

past egret
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Ibuki dodge demon

shy hazel
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its actually

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useless for her

past egret
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I forget rudder also gives speed doesn’t it

shy hazel
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tbh

finite valve
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no lol

shy hazel
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im just too lazy to remove it

zenith tundra
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u get rudder in pr2 which is really good

shy hazel
finite valve
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rudder give eva + hp

past egret
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Just dodge ?

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Zz

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They should add speed for memes

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Then frontlines can be mach 1

zenith tundra
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i have 8 maxed rudders

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not even one free

past egret
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I’ll buy one for gems off you

finite valve
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well cus CA is a thing

shy hazel
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they need to make a dankier boiler

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with eva

finite valve
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never have enough rudder

shy hazel
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and skill

finite valve
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stagg you can make do using bofor

zenith tundra
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it would be nice a boiler with toolbox hp

finite valve
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z23 collab skin?

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tf is that?

zenith tundra
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something better then pr2 skins i would assume BuckySmug

ionic magnet
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just means still no oath skin

past egret
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We won’t know event ships skills till tomorrow?

forest lake
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They're already out on JP/CN media

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Unless you mean their skills

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Then you have to wait for data mines

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In about 12 hours

past egret
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Ok thank you

forest lake
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Oh wait I did an EN there

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At least there was some saving grace

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Yikes

elder crane
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Yeah, when I logged that one, it was :wtf:
That's not even the 30 min project, it's the 8H DR focus

forest lake
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Who was that tho

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Gonna spam ping him

forest lake
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Fair and balanced

coral wren
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As all things should be

meager dawn
midnight heron
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is it possible to learn this power

elder crane
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Not from a metaslave.... BuckySmug

midnight heron
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even with 6 ships including repair ship with 3 aa radar i cant even reliably 1 shot planes

elder crane
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Reliably 2-shotting is good enough if you have a good AA gun setup

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if you have a shitty setup, glhf on auto AkagiLUL

midnight heron
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then ur vg chooses to actively avoid planes on auto so ur backline dies

coral wren
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A single repair ship is all the AA you need for w12

elder crane
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Not an issue if your AA range covers the whole screen BuckySmug

midnight heron
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not enuf roomba MutsukiCurse

elder crane
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32 range ftw

hot creek
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who dat

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is that amazon?

elder crane
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That's SandyCry you dumdum

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she's carrying my <lv100 main fleet

midnight heron
blazing scroll
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Need more dakka

past egret
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@hot creek i have one of those videos for you

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However disc won’t let me send it due to file size

hot creek
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youtube

past egret
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Also I technically did lose but the final winning salvo was literally in the air Amagi had 1 hp

hot creek
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amagi still alive? couldve whiffed the whole salvo BuckySmug

past egret
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Amagi Naga Akagi JintsuKai Yuki Aya retro full oath all level 120

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Vs 3 oaths 3 120’s

hot creek
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That's not meta EmileSip

past egret
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if only Hiryu

hot creek
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Also you need to find a stall VG.

granite flame
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roon leipkai z46 currently

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my vanguard beat the ayakai yuki jintsukai surprisingly but they missed majority of their torps

hot creek
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You need to find an opponent with a stall VG is what I meant.

granite flame
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my bad

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any ships in particular to look for then?

hot creek
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Jun/Yuki

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and Junuea can't be in tank position.

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Wildcards can vary.

granite flame
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speaking of junuea, did do some experimenting with junuea and amagi replacing tirpitz and z46 and it was a much better upgrade to full KMS

vague token
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yeah because kms is bad =(

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adding juneau/amagi makes any comp better

granite flame
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i will force it to work through sweat blood and tears

hot creek
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Cause juneau and amagi are op

granite flame
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meta

vague token
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juneau and amagi are beyond meta

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they're more like anomalies in the grand scheme of the game

sharp wing
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Juneau alone increase wr for such shitty comp as KMS by up to 30% AkashiHide

past egret
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shitty SandyCry Omegalilwoo VickyXD Uzukiiiii Mikasapped aLongCryland

hot creek
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Now I wanna try Graf/Zeppy/Amagi team BuckySmug

past egret
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Zeppy UniYan

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What even are her stats at 120 and what even are her skills

hot creek
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stats seem ok. weapon efficiencies suck tho LongCryland

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Graf/FDG UniFlex

past egret
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Graf FDG Amagi seems like hyper carry FDG backline

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  • Jun keep her alive as long as possible
vague token
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zeppy is more pve oriented since she can defend herself with her gun/barrage

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she'll hit like 410 fp at max stacks

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for her barrage

hot creek
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I love using zeppy in pve so much

vague token
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plus she scales pretty decently with the Per/Kms buff

hot creek
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can defend herself from suicide boats and doesn't waste time time-dilating like BB's do. Also has dope barrage UniFlex

sharp wing
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Zeppy is only CV w/ gun that has actual Fp so... Wish Houshou had some FP

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Or LB0 langley for memes

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w/ her DD gun

vague token
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zeppy also hits higher than hood fp

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by the third stack

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xD

sharp wing
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well, average FP for gun defense is lower

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But assuming u not getting any jihads in yr face before 1st stack

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effective average fp is pretty high

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But she only has 2 mounts

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Also zeppy can achieve weird loadout of 3/5/0

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5 divers is pretty unique

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lol

ripe latch
lament lichen
hot creek
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Already starting to miss having Neptune as my secretary. Im just gonna forgo the passive affinity gains for Azuma.

zenith tundra
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i don't think graf amagi fdg would work. graf does negative dmg. fdg has bad acc so she misses a lot and amagi can only do so much dmg. i think it would lack way too much dmg to even beat namaryuu

past egret
past egret
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Is there any videos / page on the wiki showing off the research shop?

elder crane
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EN I don't think has a page yet

sharp wing
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I don't think En will have it, till it's implemented on EN

coral wren
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Hm, will bisco's crit affect zeppy's barrage?

sharp wing
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It only affects MGs, even outside of barrages

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torps, planes and cannons(Main Guns)

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this is also why her secondary so crappy, she can't even buff it with crits

coral wren
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well, she happened to be quite a disaster ship

vague token
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bisco is basically just adding a mgm+1 CL to the main fleet

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but costs more

coral wren
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it took em like how long to fix her barrage a bit

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2, 3 months?

vague token
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shelling wise she isnt super amazing, just decent (cause auto crit)

coral wren
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Well, to be fair even after that fix her barrage is still kinda non existent

vague token
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yeah her barrage is just w/e

sharp wing
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"fixed", slapped KGV pattern

coral wren
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well, yongshi fucked up pretty hard at making an above average bb which shouldn't be that hard tbh

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i'df like to see the difference in fdg numbers when she is around and when she is not

elder crane
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tbh I actually quite like her in PvE
like having a boosted gun-cl in the team with gimped range, great for when you level stuff that has 0 cleanup ability like torpDD/torpCA

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the issue is her skill being -%dmg

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which stacks additively with other -%dmg

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Basically useless at 0 ammo (-85% damage)
and heavily nerfed in PvP (-55% damage, -44% relative to other ship's secondaries)

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really, they could've just set her secondary efficiency to like 140% or something smh

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Buuuut.... I'm pretty sure devs don't actually understand their own game mechanics CleveXD

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"hmm, small nerf to +30% evarate, that's making it +30% evasion, right?" (Birmingham)
"hmm, a +15% evarate buff is like not that much, right?" (Amagi OG version)

sharp wing
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I also like her in pve, but for anything high lvl she cannot do the job of auxiliary defense. But i still like her, she is pretty fun to use

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I slapped on her maxed scattergun, that is fun too

elder crane
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-85% damage though at 0 ammo
that's like torp DD levels of gun damage CleveXD

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CLs do like twice Bis' secondary damage at 0 ammo, unless you use the special equip

sharp wing
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And if u slap on her something like Tbsk, she can target production and completely ignore jihads rushing in too

elder crane
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ehh, just use in maps where jihad isn't much of a problem
you use her to support vanguard ships that can't clean up trash anyways

sharp wing
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well, i dun use her anyway, cause she's been 200 for a while

coral wren
sharp wing
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slack

coral wren
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i mean, it's like that every game despite her having crit buffs and rb mag

sharp wing
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xD

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And my buki hits over 20k sometimes

coral wren
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Ye... i feel like some hms shitters were memeing here all along

sharp wing
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lel

coral wren
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"sheffield gud" my fucking ass

sharp wing
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well, she is buffer/tank

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for the main part

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makes nanoda more annoying

coral wren
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does she? Quite often she dies with juneau leaving roach all alone against healthy 2 enemy vg ships

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Well, i guess with fc she is handy

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but with 3 bbs

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things aren't that fun

sharp wing
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w/ FC i'd use Siri anyway

ionic magnet
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you dont use sheff for her dmg EntyLUL

elder crane
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ehh, she isn't that squishy, you're just getting unlucky
15% averaged Dred is great for reducing Jun snipes too
and don't forget her 15% averaged Dred is still active on Ykkz even if Sheff sinks

vague token
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i use juneau lead with sheff mid

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that way you can reduce some of the frontloaded risk to juneau

ionic magnet
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she literally has 1 job and that's making jun and nanoda tankier

vague token
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but still make sure triple bb backlines still sink juneau first

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but not too late

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cause nowadays non-lead juneau against warspite+x can fail to sink juneau before destroying whoever warspite is aiming at

elder crane
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Jun mid with Sheff buff sometimes just decides to be immortal UniStare

vague token
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like namaspite can just fail to sink juneau before focusing whoever the main target is

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if she isnt lead

elder crane
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Just use Hiryuu, can't be sniped BuckySmug

vague token
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kek

sharp wing
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Just sank Jav, feels so satisfying BuckySmug UniSip

elder crane
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Set her up defensively, and sometimes she doesn't even proc counter before you win BuckySmug

vague token
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i just use amagi armor/rudder so it's fine

sharp wing
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I'm lvling Baka atm, and I fuccing laugh my pants off when enemy WS misses 2 barrages againt her in a row w/ 9 lvls advantage

vague token
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sounds like double shell

sharp wing
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even 1 shell is pretty inaccurate

hot creek
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Sounds like double SG too

sharp wing
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another matchup vs ws she finished w/ 80% hp MakinaSmug

ionic magnet
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hms (and every decent comp p much) has only one problem at this point and thats opening torps
sheff is the only one that can help there so shes "good" in that sense

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maybe black prince too but eh

sharp wing
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Use Leander

ionic magnet
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shes not helping against azuma

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so not worth raising

sharp wing
ionic magnet
sharp wing
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wdym u dun have onee-san leader raised?

elder crane
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Leander is very fragile herself anyways

sharp wing
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Rianda is meme

coral wren
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Don't know if she makes anyone tankier but i'm losing vg vs vg trades, sheff dies along with juneau most of the time

sharp wing
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But she a good girl

coral wren
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doing jackshit

vague token
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i mean sheff is supposed to sink around juneau timing cause she doesnt have her own shield

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or just a bit after

sharp wing
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and she is squish

ionic magnet
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one things for sure
your jun will die faster without sheff EntyLUL

vague token
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then you have a buffed up ykk moving ultra fast with shield

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aka the ultimate troll

sharp wing
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well, not much

coral wren
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doesn't really matter. It comes to 2 or 3 vs 1 roach

ionic magnet
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1 immortal roach you mean

sharp wing
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use Dorsie

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HMS Torps

coral wren
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"nagato procs"
Not so immortal anymore, biatch?

sharp wing
vague token
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i mean it doesnt matter if it's 3 vs ykk or 100 vs ykk, she has rng damage reduction and light speed movement

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although i guess im using double boiler and not boiler/fe

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xD

ionic magnet
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nagato procs like half the time and its not like shes always in front of her

sharp wing
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HMS "port+Indie"

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Dorsie had potential as mini Buki, but eh...

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vanilla ship

vague token
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more like buki is what dorsie was supposed to be

sharp wing
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She is collection unlock i think?

vague token
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yeah

sharp wing
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still vanilla

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btw... When new collection...

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it's been 3 years

vague token
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never, no more free gems from collection

sharp wing
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half collections are still half locked rewards

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well, I only hope for some stuff like pearls and beaver

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And maybe some kewl shipfu

ionic magnet
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i already scrapped collection ships MutsukiStare

sharp wing
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scrapped aya too?

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I dare you to try scrap Wichita LaffeyHide She will scrap you instead

ionic magnet
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only villains scrap aya

sharp wing
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Shikikan lives in doghouse now EntyLUL

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Wichita in office

past egret
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Until they encounter a large cruiser

coral wren
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kinu retro?

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ok lmao

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one day i believe uss will get it's non shit flag

forest lake
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Suruga is cancer confirmed

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Enhanced in PVP pepegaRow

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Ryuuhou looks suck so far

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Noshiro

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Ok the rest are pretty meh

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Nvm Kinu looking good too

ionic magnet
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wow noshiro skills look good

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was just talking about only problem in pvp rn are torps

forest lake
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Suruga

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Tho

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Lmao

ionic magnet
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oh yea missed suruga

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dem

forest lake
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70% chance proc barrage, enhanced in PVP

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And some good looking dr

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5s interval between drs

ionic magnet
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yeah well we have to see that so called enhanced barrage first

forest lake
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Yea true

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She seems useless for PVE so she better be for PVP

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Other than zombie

ionic magnet
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interesting

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and theyre not locked with IJN

forest lake
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Yep

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Prolly Namagi Suruga I guess

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Suruga barrage has torps it seems

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Aw yikes she has 68 hit and 37 luck

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Ok looks like she's an upgraded Amagi statwise

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Guess I'll switch to Nagato, WarKai, Suruga

shy hazel
ionic magnet
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ill def raise suruga and noshiro now i can justify buying their skins

shy hazel
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ijn new era

ionic magnet
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rip ryuuhou

forest lake
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Still can't justify buying Ryuuhou skin

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Best skin

ionic magnet
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yeah those skills and loadout are PortDoll

forest lake
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Guess I'll just whatever

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Buy it

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I guess you could expect Suruga barrage to be an upgraded Amagi barrage

shy hazel
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thing is

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i dont have gold to build

forest lake
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Just whel

frail orbit
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I'd just whel for all their 3 skins tbh

forest lake
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Yea same I guess

frail orbit
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FDG Suruga Taigei

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Just bkoz oppai n pits

forest lake
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Noshiro can buff Buki lmao

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Torp memes incoming

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i mean Kinu

shy hazel
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we need build times

frail orbit
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Also Suruga have some decent tits so well

shy hazel
frail orbit
forest lake
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Or was is Noshiro

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FUck it time to read again

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Noshiro buffs Buki

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Can say she's a better Jintsuu

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Albeit the dr is replaced with eva instead

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And torp dr

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Oh Ryuuhou is super good

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She's an upgraded Unicorn that heals backline

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lmao

shy hazel
forest lake
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Now I can buy her skin with no regrets

shy hazel
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can use that to farm fl

forest lake
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IJN powercreep is real

shy hazel
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ijn has always been the power here

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nothing to powercreep

forest lake
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Even more powercreep

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nvm Ryuuhou skill is single target heal

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3% of Ryuuhou's HP healed for a single unit every 3 secs 3 times for the lowest HP unit after airstrike

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Total of 9% across 3 ships

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nvm fuck translations

coral wren
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Is there anything better on attack than hiryuu?

mild spruce
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HMS

coral wren
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Warspite and then what?

forest lake
#

Updated Ryuuhou

mild spruce
#

I use monarch and qe

forest lake
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W14 sub hell

mild spruce
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🤔

ionic magnet
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torp meta going strong LaffeyDrink

mild spruce
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Noshiro seems pretty good

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15 eva rate

forest lake
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Kinu 180% torp eff, torp damage boost, 30% double torp, 15% damage boost

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Noshiro torp buff seems like downgraded Jintsuu, tho she does offer more fleet survivability

vague token
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dear god suruga lol

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why would they add a pvp enhanced barrage

ionic magnet
#

kasumi bringing back eldridge ptsd

vague token
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that makes 0 sense

forest lake
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Finally devs are looking at PVP

vague token
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so like does suruga's damage reduction cd start after it ends

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or after it starts

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aka 5 seconds down time?

ionic magnet
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should be yea

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aka cancer

vague token
#

also RIP shouhou

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ryuuhou's heal lol

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i mean, if you run 2:1

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that's all you really need

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oh wait 3 main

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3:1 lel

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yeah that's really strong

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muh budget strat

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double monitors

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or w/e

ionic magnet
#

jintsuu noshiro buki
have fun BuckySmug

vague token
#

at cyaneko jk

forest lake
#

Sec

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Dunccmines just announced

vague token
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so extra anti vanguard pellets

#

but what, 130x10 lol?

forest lake
#

Needles I guess?

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Idk it's Dunccuc

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But I think he'll update his DPS calc with these

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Tfw no Amagi

vague token
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how are those arcing shots aimed

forest lake
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Imma just Nagato WarKai Suruga away

vague token
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are they like amagi's?

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or fixed

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cause if they're aimed, that's a LOT of aimed shots lol

forest lake
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Update

vague token
mild spruce
#

will noshiro have a place in vanguard though?

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since Azuma, Juneau, and Yukikaze

forest lake
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Nope Azuma Juneau Ykkz is definitely superior

vague token
#

oh ok

#

so im guessing the 2x2 is aimed?

#

oh ok

#

i think her reload is lower than amagi's xD

#

also, does her damage reduction START on cooldown or is it available immediately Thinkpitz

forest lake
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Available immediately

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Active for 15s, available again at 20s

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So 5s interval

vague token
#

muh EHP creep

forest lake
#

Great timings

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If only I had Amagi

#

NamagiSuruga seems legit

vague token
#

ironically the ship with a retro seems pretty mediocre

forest lake
#

Nah she's got 180% torp eff, 15%/20% torp damage boost, 30% for double torp and 15% damage boost

#

That's a lot

vague token
#

or i guess she's just normal

#

what, all the sendai class have around 300

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or rather after retro

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rip naka

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oh ok

#

xD

#

asw boost SandyMeme

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ok, not the worst scenario

#

hmm, i want to try sodak/amagi/suruga

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all the dr

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and then refund it back

#

xD

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the one saving grace is that her barrage is stuck at the 20

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xD

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also i just read that note at the top left lol

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im pretty sure by sheer volume of shells

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the damage is fine

#

what are wash's ratios again?

#

well she's more of a defensive buffer anyways

#

xD

forest lake
#

Damage charts

smoky elk
ionic magnet
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suruga vs hiryuu is tough

#

hiryuu prolly still wins tho

#

using two botes with 70% barrages is HoodDisgust

#

been there done that

vague token
#

i think running sodak/amagi/suruga should be fun

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or ws/amagi/suruga

forest lake
#

SoDak Suruga Amagi

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Tfw no Amagi

vague token
#

what isnt reduced gets refunded

forest lake
#

Imma just Nagato WarKai Suruga

ionic magnet
#

i just hope noone makes a jint buki noshiro frontline

vague token
#

i mean that's still worse than ykk

#

ykk has "25 evade rate"

#

i doubt 5% crit rate and 20% torp (additive) is a large increase

#

thanks ijn

forest lake
#

Aw man

#

Suruga barrage timed

keen sparrow
#

new barrage MutsukiHyperStare

vague token
#

i feel like ibuki wouldnt be as good as kinu or someone else

keen sparrow
#

ijn metta 4.0 MutsukiHyperStare

forest lake
#

If only Suruga barrage was on gun fire

vague token
#

how about no

keen sparrow
forest lake
keen sparrow
elder crane
#

Eyyy I fucking called it

#

Suruga has slightly modified Amagi stats

vague token
#

well, 600 more hp is large difference

elder crane
#

Dred skill is a balanced version of Amagi's

vague token
#

with small bit of zombie

forest lake
#

Also Med to Heavy armor

elder crane
#

Oh, it's wash-like barrage?
We'll have to see on it's damage

vague token
#

scroll up

#

it was there

elder crane
#

Yeah, her tankiness seems great

coral wren
#

Actually suruga seems to be a shittier version of amagi

vague token
#

the pvp adjustment isnt huge, more anti light pellets

#

i mean, amagi doesnt have a zombie built in

elder crane
#

We'll have to see on the pattern I suppose?

#

Possibly FdG dead on arrival for PvP?

vague token
#

i mean, fdg has more ehp

#

just doesnt share

elder crane
#

Tbh I'm not sure if I see her edging out FdG

vague token
#

just use amagi/suruga/fdg

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for ultimate ehp

#

MY EHP... WILL GO FURTHER BEYOND

elder crane
#

Well, 15% more base and 10% averaged Dred for FdG
10% heal and partial 12% dred for suruga, with higher luck/eva(?)

coral wren
#

She heals herself for 10% which is kinda poo

elder crane
#

I'm not sure if Suruga is all that less tanky

vague token
#

i mean even if 12% was active all the time, fdg still has 10k base hp and the scaling dr

elder crane
#

37 vs 27 base evasion, 37 vs 0 luck

#

I think Suruga is actually almost comparable

ionic magnet
#

dont forget suruga gets nagato buff

elder crane
#

Damage-wise, I don't see her losing out either with Nagato boost

smoky elk
#

may try Namasu

elder crane
#

So I think FdG quite possibly edged out

coral wren
#

And dread isn’t guaranteed btw

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70%

elder crane
#

With heal popped, FdG only has ~9% more HP

ionic magnet
#

and suruga buffs the other backliners aswell

elder crane
#

Read the skill again smh

#

It's 70% per hit on any backline ship

ionic magnet
#

^

elder crane
#

Aka basically 100%

ionic magnet
#

so p much 100%

vague token
#

when i assume 100% activation uptime (it isnt) she hits 10.8k hp with dr

#

fdg hits 11.6k

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close

coral wren
#

Which could be worked around

#

If you happen to trigger it early

elder crane
#

She also has 37 higher luck and 10 higher evasion

ionic magnet
#

now add the eHP she gives to amagi+nagato

elder crane
#

15 s activation time, 20s CD

smoky elk
#

Suruga can be a stop-gap until our FDG reach full potential

vague token
#

ill just run fdg/suruga/amagi

elder crane
#

37 higher luck is like +7% eHP already

vague token
#

team thicc

#

who needs damage when you take ages to die

elder crane
#

10 eva, iirc around +5% or so?

coral wren
#

If your vg hits it eArly and triggers her

ionic magnet
#

real question is hiryuu vs suruga tbh

elder crane
#

I assume it starts on CD

#

But anyways, 15 s of coverage on 20 s cd, mistiming it isn't a thing lol

coral wren
#

You can count 15 secs from opening torps, lmao. And when salvo time kicks in it’s already gone and on cd

vague token
#

im pretty sure the only attacks that run into that are like hsfcr 381

elder crane
#

Issue is, 20 s is a long time to wait if it starts on CD

vague token
#

otherwise it'll be up by the time you hit 410

elder crane
#

I assume it'll start on CD just like every other skill like it

#

Which is bad since it doesn't cover 457/Dfg/twin381

vague token
#

im pretty sure the majority of "get hit do defense" skills have no cd

elder crane
#

Eld

vague token
#

is literally the only one

ionic magnet
#

they usually say if a skill starts on cd no?

vague token
#

ALL the others are available immediately

elder crane
#

Huh, that's true

vague token
#

birmingham no cd, zara no cd

#

lol

#

eldridge is literally the only defense skill that starts on cd

#

aka was fair

#

xD

#

only power crept up from there

elder crane
#

Torps take a good amount of time to travel anyways btw

ionic magnet
#

well if it starts on cd then rip just stick with hiryuu ThinkZed

elder crane
#

Oh, nice, off CD

#

It takes a sec for that to happen anyways

vague token
#

it's actually more annoying on defense

#

since your torps/shells dont reach

elder crane
#

I doubt you'll trigger it until ~3s in

#

Lol that means most BB guns won't be covered, or faster CV strikes

vague token
#

for yours

#

it'll be covered by defense

#

xD

coral wren
#

Still think her barrage will be a decisive factor. If it’s meh then whatever

vague token
#

it sounds like a side grade or minor upgrade of wash

#

with more anti-light armor pellets

#

xD

#

should be ok

elder crane
#

We'll need to see spread and range

vague token
#

yeah

elder crane
#

The damage amount seems okay

vague token
#

inb4 into the water

elder crane
#

The pellet range means it might be very good

ionic magnet
#

so many wash-upgrade botes now
imagine getting FW rerun EntyLUL

vague token
#

cries in biscuit barrage on release BiskoLUL

elder crane
#

If disp on arcing is shit though, 🚮

vague token
#

i mean we already got a literal wash upgrade

elder crane
#

Amagi's barrage is better if pellets don't reach opposite

#

Or is arcing dispersion isn't really good

#

She's, what, 900+900 or so?

#

1300 arcing is meh

#

720+480 pellets

#

This is actually really tight

vague token
#

maybe ill use formidable

#

more shared dr

#

xD

sharp wing
#

so It's like KGV arcing but more tight

#

2x2

#

or maybe like Baka?

#

baka fires 4x4 in 2 waves

vague token
sharp wing
#

but they have rng landing in small zone

#

real bombardment lol

#

I got gifs of Baka in here somewhere...

elder crane
#

What's the dispersion like though?

#

And do the pellets have enough range to reach enemy main?

sharp wing
#

I'm lvling Baka to 120 atm in pvp BuckySmug

#

Need Suruga to pair

vague token
#

im guessing random is the torpedo

#

random offset 16x16

elder crane
#

16 is very tight dispersion

vague token
#

that's like barely any

elder crane
#

That's less than most main guns

#

What's the pattern though?

#

Idk how to determine that

vague token
#

i didnt realize they had to specify the font size of the damage per armor type in every attack type lol

#

that one looks fixed

#

it's target nil, target nil, target random harm (aka non invuln i guess?)

elder crane
#

Do you know what pattern it is, if it even has a pattern component of dispersion?

#

Well that's tight af

#

That sounds shit for PvE, no?

vague token
#

the first part takes .5, the 2nd and 3rd dont

elder crane
#

Okay, so she reliably lands her 130 by 10 component, that looks good

vague token
#

or wait what is first delay vs senior delay

#

xD

elder crane
#

What about the range on the pellets?

#

Oh, 95 range

#

That's pretty bad, no?

#

Yeah, 95 range doesn't hit enemy main fleet

vague token
#

im pretty sure the pellets are just for harassing vg

elder crane
#

Although, that's gun range, not ammo range

#

Check ammo range

#

Does gun range even matter for fixed barrage WarShrug

vague token
#

shoot everything and everyone

#

xD

elder crane
#

Do we know splash radius of main shots?

vague token
#

xD

#

go sleep

#

thanks for your work salute

coral wren
#

8h maintenance, great

forest lake
#

8h pepekek

#

Going in with short research

keen sparrow
vague token
#

we have that skill

#

emergency evasion

#

it's on a lot of ships actually xD

keen sparrow
#

kusumi,elderidge,nanonda BuckySmug new loli fleet

vague token
#

eh, i think even with 15% evasion rate it's still less ehp than someone like belfast

#

and doesnt help shield the vg from anything, just herself

#

unless you are against torp memes

#

i mean that's fair then

#

she's more of a swap in swap out to hard counter something type

#

id still rather use a smoke for the off chance it procs on barrage timing

#

but that's just me

keen sparrow
#

im half way to finish jintsu retro EssexShock

coral wren
#

azuma starts doing dmg at what dev level?

vague token
#

well, she gets mgm+1 at dev 5

hoary pasture
#

woah

#

are torp memes gonna become gucci with yeptune/kinu/jintsuu?

vague token
#

no, because noshiro is there

#

15% self evasion (always active), 20% vg dr vs torps

hoary pasture
keen sparrow
#

ibuki/jintsu/noshiro z35wow

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kaboom BuckySmug