pvp

[hot creek]

You basically want to wait and let your opponents do their matches so they can get a lead on you before you attack them.

Typically, the number of times you can do this is 1 or 2 times per match reset/recharge.

sometimes 3 if you're lucky.

In summary, the optimal way is to stick around and periodically check your list to see if anyone on there moves, then attack them. Then repeat the process.

Oh, and you need to relog every time you want to check your opponents because it doesn't update the numbers/ranking unless you do that.

[shell heron]

the ladder does, but your opponent list doesn't

[midnight heron]

tfw cant get pr2 ship bp from free research

[meager dawn]

wait wat

u can't?

[hot creek]

the 6 hr rare one.

[midnight heron]

so much p2w

[hot creek]

I am annoyed that focusing PR2 comms doesn't make ALL of them PR2, because it should.

[smoky elk]

as expect of "half-a-year-to-dev30" average of PR2

[shell heron]

Here I am focusing on PR1 so I can fate5 roon, nothing but PR2 ship projects all day

[frail orbit]

Anyway, asking about 406 since I got striked by a certain guy in gameplay help keks

I meant 406skc
Tf with it on Nagatoot only on this vid

https://youtu.be/cUEUhpoLOc4

[midnight heron]

wtf tho dat rainbow ap gun almost 3k per shell

[frail orbit]

457mm keks

[forest lake]

406skc's good on ships that want both shelling damage and barrage, so it's like a direct upgrade to 410

Say stuff like Nagato Amagi etc

[frail orbit]

Yeah, I meant tf with only Nagatoot using em tho in this vid xD

[midnight heron]

now imagine getting 150 bp

[frail orbit]

Kinda welp given his FDG already d30

[midnight heron]

just noticed fdg crit her ap shell for 5k+ lmao

pretty much better warspite

newbies will truly get rekt

[shy hazel]

by sheer calculations

all my reserve oil will only last till the 4th pr

unacceptable

i hate farming backlines

[forest lake]

[meager dawn]

that means you have to wehl for oil

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

when will we have

better anti torp auxes

[coral wren]

Can't kill the meme

although it's not a meme but an annoying as fuck shit sometimes

[shy hazel]

so

suruga ship soon in jp

wonder if it will be useful in pvp

[zenith tundra]

who knows

i wonder what kinda of broken bullshit she needs to be to really usable over anyone in namaryuu

also rip me... just brought nep skin and they announce an aya one

[ionic magnet]

are you saying aya is better than nep?

[zenith tundra]

i won't pass on an aya skin

[shy hazel]

ill pass on both

[zenith tundra]

nep skin is really cute and a big improvement over default skin tho

[hot creek]

xmas Nep is a decent sidegrade to default Nep. Hard to beat default Nep art.

[shy hazel]

i never use nep now

and the underboob part i dont like

its weird and forced

[ionic magnet]

i only want gascan skin rn

[zenith tundra]

i kind of want to push the box off screen but then u don't see much

[granite flame]

We’re getting Saruga

doesn’t she have a specific skill called Saruga IV or something that made her extremely tankt

[sharp wing]

The funny thing is, she is more of PR ship, than half of PR ships

[granite flame]

Buildable Ships that are better than Pr

This is some big brain choices right here

[sharp wing]

no, i mean by non existence

[granite flame]

oh right

still

We still don’t even know who the fuck this is either

[sharp wing]

IJN Suruga is supposed to be Improved class of Number 13-class battleship, which was never a thing in the 1st place

Original class cancelled w/ Washington treaty, lul

This is PR of PR

And Number 13 in it's turn was enlarged version of Kii-class, that was also cancelled due to Washington treaty, and Kii was Fast Battleship version of the Amagi class Battlecruisers.

Amagi but BB

mindbroken

Double Amagi incoming

In event she had torps

what else she had

some damage reduction skill

cause Bbs were ineffective

Time to lvl Cranes + Houshou in pvp

[zenith tundra]

dmg reduction by itself doesn't mean much. let's wait and see how broken her barrage is

[coral wren]

So

Suruga

Will she be replacing Amagi?

Unlikely

But you never know

replacing
If anything you would want to combine them

Who would you yeet then? Nagato?

[zenith tundra]

it would be more like is suruga tanky enough to replace hiryuu

[coral wren]

Hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

nagato ain't going anywhere with azuma around too

[midnight heron]

she either needs to either beat hiryuu in tankiness or warspite in burst dmg

[coral wren]

But what if she's just a better Amagi?

[midnight heron]

y not both

[coral wren]

Would she replace Amagi or not?

[midnight heron]

then u replace amagi

lul

[coral wren]

That's what I was saying

She was just a better Amagi irl so

[zenith tundra]

better then amagi... like how broken she needs to be

[coral wren]

Not much, she's a BB so she has Heavy Armor already
Same skills with slightly better % and you're done

[midnight heron]

if shes indeed an amagi upgrade i doubt they wud let u stack with amagi so theres dat

otherwise lul 20% eva rate on backline

[zenith tundra]

if u think some hp or armor is enough to beat amagi ur very wrong

[coral wren]

You can't read

[midnight heron]

50% fire reduc

[coral wren]

What if she is just shit tier like wales

[zenith tundra]

ijn bias tho

[coral wren]

She also has torpedoes, either in a skill or her main barrage

Yeah, that's why i'm opening a bottle of champagne if that happens

[zenith tundra]

if she is half the ship she was in her event it's ok

[sharp wing]

We can look what she does in crosswave

inb4 it's crosswave collab

[coral wren]

Shimakaze

[sharp wing]

No more rabbits

esp lolies

[coral wren]

I mean, if bismarck came out after her event, would you also expect her to cast black hole?

[midnight heron]

wud be nice for pvp

[zenith tundra]

instead she got a dumb 2ndry gun skill

[midnight heron]

so bismarck clone? kek

[coral wren]

This is what ijn deserve

[zenith tundra]

half of ijn fleet in al is made of trash dd....

[sharp wing]

2/3 of ijn is trash dds and BCs

kongous alone is 6 ships into trashcan

Then there are takos

Then we got Mikasa as pinnacle of this pile

[blazing scroll]

Oi

🌮 could clear EX in 2sec

[granite flame]

POG

[coral wren]

large

i sleep

[midnight heron]

she got tired of dying

[sharp wing]

Facepunched Enty

Instant K.O.

Intense ramming action

[midnight heron]

https://i.redd.it/vw97ca58vt541.png lmao

[zenith tundra]

[granite flame]

How viable is Gascogne in PVP? She seems like she does good DPS and her barrage seems to target the entire back line? unless it hits the very back of the frontline for some reason

[coral wren]

do you have a jean bart?

try her out

gascogne will be slightly better

[hot creek]

Anyone here in EU wanna partner up for 24/7 research coverage?

Ill sandbag for you too

[granite flame]

@coral wren I do, was gonna try a Bisko FDG Gasc Backline with a Leipzig Retro Roon Saint Lou frontline

[coral wren]

🇫

[zenith tundra]

gascogne is not meant for pvp. her barrage doesn't hit hard enough to burst ship down

no actual synergies with other ships and her heal at least in pve is not that strong

[vague token]

oops missed matches cause work xD

let me know if im in your lists and ill rush 10

[midnight heron]

need more rushers

sometimes i just feel like they shud giv base 10 pts regardless of who u fight until the last 2 days where they can implement the penalty

annoying to hav to stop rushing when ppl dont move

if u got someone with >35pts cool u keep the bonus

but i just wanna get my pvp done with without being penalised

[ripe latch]

i will use kita for pvp

looks like aya kita and jintsu or something

[zenith tundra]

no reason to use kita instead of yuki but it's ur choice

[vague token]

mgm+1 dd gun cl with 200 or so fp in pr3 or riot

and armor ignore

reeee

[zenith tundra]

mgm+3 bb when

[vague token]

no barrage, just +3 mgm

xD

or a pr bb with a single shot gun

[zenith tundra]

with fdg like skill might be worth

[vague token]

would an mgm+3 be hms maybe?

would work with warspite

also do we know what suruga has in crosswave and how they might translate her skillset to the actual game?

[zenith tundra]

i just want a 10 plane dr cv already

[vague token]

im pretty sure mgm+3 dd would be op even with 80 fp

[midnight heron]

torp boat with mgm+1 when?

[vague token]

by sheer volume

[zenith tundra]

91 fp kita with ignore armor and good barrage is so worth already

[vague token]

it's still lower than sandy on everything i think

it's just flat damage on everything

super consistent mediumish gun damage

[zenith tundra]

sandy is also an ur cl and kira still does better against heavy

[vague token]

does she? (in pure gun damage)

i feel like even with the 60% sandy will be VERY close

[zenith tundra]

not mg only but overall

[vague token]

oh, i mean purely mg, i want to shoot guns

MORE GUNS

[cloud pumice]

does white shell affect WS barrage crits? Not sure if I should slap 2nd SG or shell on her...

[vague token]

no, white shell is explicitly main gun

black shell is also main gun

[cloud pumice]

meh, SG it is then. Thx

[vague token]

the only aux gear that affects ALL things is zflag

for w/e reason

[zenith tundra]

ws kai barrage is autocrit and shells passive only work for mg shoots

[vague token]

so if you want to meme it up, you can get 5% crit on mg, aux, and barrage

also pads your fleet power cause rainbow gear

;)

[small cypress]

Hey guys it's nice idea to use Kai warsprite and Friedich?

[zenith tundra]

they both work with anything when maxed

[sharp wing]

Only FdG needs dev 30, which will take you at least half year, so don't even consider that yet

[jovial sedge]

XD

rip

but at least no cancer boost for some time\

[finite valve]

tbh even after 6 months i doubt most ppl will use full on cancer 3.0 anyway

even now the amount of cancer 2.0 is still around 30 or 40% at best

ppl still use the old cancer comp

[elder crane]

Heh I'm looking forwards to Suruga making a new meta just as PR2 releases

[jovial sedge]

well

still fuck em

<

[sharp wing]

The thing is cancer w/ warkai is bad on def

so u still will see dragon if ppl care about about def even

[finite valve]

meh unless ws is opposite of mine

[jovial sedge]

btw ... its not evne possible for cvs to fire both airstrikes in one go.. also which one should shoot first centaur or formi?

[finite valve]

still ez win with old cancer

[sharp wing]

When it wasn't ez

[elder crane]

Centaur obviously
Otherwise Formi doesn't get cent's buff anf Cent can't take advantage of Formi's stop

[jovial sedge]

hmm

i see

there is like almost 1 -2 sec gap

thats too much?

[elder crane]

That's actually about right for the stop

[frail orbit]

Bacon here for a reason

[jovial sedge]

hmmm

[frail orbit]

And u could make it around 0.5 later for Formie lah

[elder crane]

Btw in case you don't know, CV planes freeze CV stats at moment of launch
So buffs applies later don't affect it, and it doesn't matter if buff wears out before hitting

[sharp wing]

0.5 is too fast

[elder crane]

1.5-2s is optimal iirc
Just test it out tbh

[jovial sedge]

well my cent is 120 but formi 115 so i use ARk with formi they do actually good

[elder crane]

Time formi to launch just as Cent's TBs drop torps

[sharp wing]

around 1.5 sec

[jovial sedge]

i think i got it like that atm

cent hits and then formi launches

hmm sandy is not even in vang equip list in guide ... poor sandy

[frail orbit]

Still tho. The usage of Cuda on Formie would mean that u wouldn't even need Bacon keks

Like as if when u used Ryusei/Cuda mixed

[midnight heron]

still long time before i can use fc both still lvl 100

[jovial sedge]

hmm i dont use ijn planes

<

ok well anyway gn

thx for info as always

[sharp wing]

My FC been 200 for a long time, but somewhere around 116

I got a lot of comps still stuck at 110 , lol

Need 10 slot dorm

lvling mona and buki to 120 in pvp atm, already 119

prolly 2 weeks

[vague token]

leveling kirishima for azuma xp

;)

[zenith tundra]

i hate leveling up stuff in pvp. always need to pay attention instead of just hitting start and autowin

[midnight heron]

minmax life

also @vague token lvling urself ic

[sharp wing]

i actually don't look on screen, lol

if u lose, then u lose, it's pvp

not no balls show

[midnight heron]

but i want my aotn

[sharp wing]

Not like missing/losing 10 matches prevents otn

[midnight heron]

u will if u rusher life

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

thot begone

[dusk stirrup]

[shy hazel]

terrible season for me

probably wont t10

[sharp wing]

Loser.

[shy hazel]

you mistaking me for yourself

rusher loser

[midnight heron]

did u say

[shy hazel]

u a loser

[empty grove]

[shy hazel]

[empty grove]

[stark condor]

Can I get 2 comps? 1 for use now and 1 for when I get around to leveling my ships. http://imgur.com/a/4ZPAV34

[ionic magnet]

hood enty ws ykkz helena portland should be fine for now

do you have ws sword?

for her retro?

@stark condor

[stark condor]

I do.

[ionic magnet]

oh good

you can p much do anything you want then

as long as you dont go full meme

im assuming you missed nagato and amagi

[stark condor]

Yes

[ionic magnet]

well warkai hood enty should work decently tbh but you might want to get monarch and replace hood

then get a juneau

[upper sparrow]

why sheffielf good on pvp vanguard?

[shy hazel]

hooloo

u not being decisive

just give one solid line up

monarch wskai and well

ugh what the name again

centaur

[ionic magnet]

VG should look like jun+ykkz+ bel/sheff/sanrui/ibuki/jintsuu

[shy hazel]

frontline juneau ykkz bel

dont bother suggesting torp memes this late

it will be dumped soon

[upper sparrow]

emm guys, why sheffield good on pvp vanguard?

[ionic magnet]

its still good but yea its more of a preference at this point

[shy hazel]

shef is a side grade

[ionic magnet]

sheff makes your jun and ykkz tankier

[shy hazel]

you need adjustments to use that thing

[oblique marsh]

Is equipping dive bombers for formy in PvP a better choice or should I stick to fighters?

[upper sparrow]

so sheff>aurora?

[ionic magnet]

depends on lineup

[upper sparrow]

but well smh i dont even have both of them

[oblique marsh]

I'm going to do a WarkaiFC

[shy hazel]

then dont bother

[ionic magnet]

they do diff roles

[shy hazel]

theyre techncially limited for now

get what you need

ykkz is alot better than sheff

and does the same job

and ykkz is in perma build

[ionic magnet]

@oblique marsh formi first slot is more of a timing thing
whats your other backliners

[oblique marsh]

It's Warspite Kai and Centaur

[ionic magnet]

centaur cuda or ryuu?

[shy hazel]

hooloo

[ionic magnet]

if cuda then formi fighters

[shy hazel]

did u update the list again

[ionic magnet]

just the WFC

[upper sparrow]

but seriously, i never beat aurora comp in pvp, she is scarier than the torpmemes cancer for me
how to defeat a fking aurora comp

[oblique marsh]

I'm equipping her with cuda.. So Fighters it is then.

[ionic magnet]

your warspite uses triple 381 yea?

@upper sparrow scariest is aurora + torps

[oblique marsh]

@ionic magnet Do I still need to equip her with Albacore though?

[ionic magnet]

yes

its technically better than 2x cuda for total dmg

[meager dawn]

@upper sparrow Just use CAs

[shy hazel]

wfc?

[oblique marsh]

ok thanks

[upper sparrow]

CA like, uhhh, prinz ykkz juneau?

[shy hazel]

warspite fried chicken?

no

[meager dawn]

sanrui or something

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

hell no

prinz is garbage

dont mention that thing in pvp

[meager dawn]

p r i n z i n p v p

[upper sparrow]

oh i forgot sanrui is a CA

[shy hazel]

the only acceptable cas in pvp is 2

sanrui or ibuki

[upper sparrow]

my sanrui is just dev25 so

[ionic magnet]

portland

[shy hazel]

25 is acceptable

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

hooloo

[cerulean estuary]

where's roon

[shy hazel]

2017

roon isnt for pvp what

[meager dawn]

roon in pvp

[ionic magnet]

someone complained how to kill portland before

[shy hazel]

his/her fleet is in 2017

[cerulean estuary]

i remember putting portland on pvp
( with odd names )

[meager dawn]

You mean this guy

[oblique marsh]

It was never effective for me to us CA in pvp.

[upper sparrow]

he is surely high huh

[meager dawn]

He has some weird hatred for portland

[upper sparrow]

@oblique marsh baltimore do a good job for me in uss comps tho

but well ws kai come, and i never use her now

[shy hazel]

what an idiot

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[empty grove]

Now there's none left

[shy hazel]

so funny

[meager dawn]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[sharp wing]

Degens.

[dusk stirrup]

[pseudo pond]

[empty grove]

[sharp wing]

[finite valve]

can't blame stupidity

[coral wren]

He must be high as fuck

[proper thistle]

Big brain momen
How

[shy hazel]

planes

[proper thistle]

Think that's it ?

I guess maybe tbh I set my phone down so missed the fight

[midnight heron]

never forget

[proper thistle]

She stronk

[inner zenith]

it's jesus

[proper thistle]

Outdamage meta main fleet

Jun so precious poor girl

[sharp wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/657654149646778381/unknown.png

[shy hazel]

it easier to get mvp in jun on non maxed main fleets

than maxed ijn ws ones

but well

it happens

[sharp wing]

It's easy to get Jun mvp vs no tank carriers

[midnight heron]

matchmaking rng

rank 65 and my leftmost is 95

fk u

[empty grove]

Just flip the 9 upside down

[midnight heron]

did 12hr free research as well and not a single bp lmao

[sharp wing]

i got 1 weap and 1 ship bp from 12hr pr2 i think

It's like more coins oriented

[midnight heron]

heard someone got 2 fdg bp from dat

[sharp wing]

pepega rng

[inner zenith]

12 hour for 2 lol

[sharp wing]

I'm capped on oil 2 days

[inner zenith]

me b4 pr2

now im waiting on sunday

to grind again

[midnight heron]

if i reach cap i just farm 12-3 for my last ship

[inner zenith]

i buy dorm food

[midnight heron]

i got too much food everyday

[sharp wing]

I already bought 100 curry

[vague token]

just run 3:3 somewhere

[midnight heron]

i run 3:3 on 12-3

[sharp wing]

forgot rudder not pr1 exclusive gear

just got some bps

[midnight heron]

aa aux as well iirc

[sharp wing]

staag only

[midnight heron]

y staag not in there tho

[sharp wing]

staag pr1

staag nepgun and ca guns

and that 100mm aa

izumogun and mona gun too

But too stocked on bb guns

[midnight heron]

try getting stocked on rainbow gun

[sharp wing]

same as CA guns anyway

I built 5 HE guns and i use like ... 1 at best same time lol

oh, another reppu ready too

[elfin summit]

Is this our @ Syanda 自動塩ディスペンサー#1337 ?

[shy hazel]

thats your syanda

easy to rekt right

[elfin summit]

Bucky pride emote here when?

[shell heron]

Been a long while since I seen you on my list

[shy hazel]

because

my score is bad

[sharp wing]

lol, log-in girl made me rank up fleet tech

[forest lake]

[vague token]

that doesnt really prohibit it

more like incentivizes it

stack with glow worm for ultimate ramming

[sharp wing]

She is so... pushy lmao

[midnight heron]

wat is dis trash

[sharp wing]

That's what u deserve

[vague token]

[sharp wing]

[midnight heron]

no u

[sharp wing]

I mean, most damage DDs take on auto, is from ramming

[vague token]

xD

clearly the obvious solution is glowworm + new ship

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

haloist

[sharp wing]

She is insta pet waifu tho

[shy hazel]

did u even look in the mirror

it just looks like your screenshot

[sharp wing]

[shy hazel]

sagitits

reeeeeeee

im done with 1.2m

still alot of hours before the next grind

disgusting

timegates are evil

[sharp wing]

Best class in-game

[meager dawn]

what about the last shio

[midnight heron]

lmao i made dat meme

[meager dawn]

thanks, I stole it

[sharp wing]

There should be Arashio

The pinnacle

Now... shios vs Hatsuharu+Yuugure

That will be some real pvp

[zenith tundra]

@vague token 9-3 boss with only duckgun and quad mag equipped on both.

kita gun dps is pretty amazing

[forest lake]

[vague token]

i mean, isnt that total dps? and isnt mle better on sandy?

unless you were whiffing torps on purpose

[sharp wing]

sandy torps are non existent

[zenith tundra]

i'll try with that too

for now found something interesting

too bad his vg doesn't seem to have boilers...

stopped on my nagato barrage

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

lost amagi before juneau died...

switched to juneau tank and turning off data before battle ends. 3-0 so far

5-0 closest match ended with hiryuu without using final counter vs fdg

his azuma most definetly using armor evasion which makes the vg really slow

[inner zenith]

what gear are u using on azuma @zenith tundra

and acc's

[zenith tundra]

gyro rudder

is this good for ws FC?

[ionic magnet]

try i guess

but not a fan of ryuusei tbh

also avgas over bacon

wheres your beaver btw

on azuma?

[zenith tundra]

oh god forgot about that

no wonder my vg felt slow

u don't kill azuma 100% of the time even with ryuusei focusing that vg...

actually it's most likely she just survives

[ionic magnet]

hmm yea cuda it is then

only question is if azuma on def is strong enough to wipe your own VG

[zenith tundra]

is gas better then beacon because that comp has trash tier aa

it was 4-1 without beaver and almost all of them close with centaur vs fdg at the end

[ionic magnet]

idk 1 sec faster cd dont feel much either

[sharp wing]

it's far not 1 sec for cent

and any vg w/ Junie has a LOT of aa

[ionic magnet]

i dont think triple 381 times well with bacon too

[sharp wing]

also warkai without Staag + double SG or SG+HSFCR tends to miss half barrage often

[ionic magnet]

i just do sg+rudder on warkai

fight rng with rng

[sharp wing]

I go izumo gun on ws till rainbow gun

[zenith tundra]

that aa gun has hit +5 instead of +10

[sharp wing]

yes

and worse aa dps

[zenith tundra]

no planes

i can with no aa guns too

makes 0 difference tbh

[sharp wing]

acc

[zenith tundra]

sure but dps is unimportant

[sharp wing]

that's just sidenot why it's shittier staag aside acc

[zenith tundra]

with avgas it doesn't sync at all tbh

i deal like 0 dmg to vg

[sharp wing]

lol

swap formie fighters for divers if u ryuu cent prob

[ionic magnet]

you dont need to kill VG tho

[ionic magnet]

yea not a fan of warkai with no eva at all

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u have the luxury of leaving azuma alive

so how am i suposed to equip her. that was hsfcr sg

[ionic magnet]

try rudder sg

[zenith tundra]

ok

[sharp wing]

[zenith tundra]

i'll try this

[ionic magnet]

are you using azuma jun ykkz?

[zenith tundra]

yes

no aurora leveled up so can't use that

[ionic magnet]

hmm ok looks fine

triple 381 dont sync?

[sharp wing]

U need synch only 2nd and 3rd salvo too

1st salvo affected by mark

It will almost never aim vg

[ionic magnet]

406 is too slow

formi uses her stop when 406 fires
so its wasted most of the time cos it aims backline

[sharp wing]

relying on warkai targeting vg is iffy overall

[ionic magnet]

yea but might as well sync it cos you can anyways

[sharp wing]

Mark only affects 1st salvo tho

not whole volley

[ionic magnet]

ah you were using hfcr

no wonder its off from my timing

[zenith tundra]

well with that it was a 4-1. lost once because my juneau died early maybe to amagi fire

[ionic magnet]

sounds good

now we just need our own azuma

[zenith tundra]

4-1 after changing to 381 wgich sims to sync much better

centaur somehow died before juneau in that loss

[zenith tundra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_QM8Pvk8rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r19jXkAC8E

i had to switch to beaver rudder for consistency on amagi

[fair prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277136240871211009/657733864239661056/image0.png
where do you get that enty skin i need it

[zenith tundra]

is that the one u get from anime bd?

[coral wren]

she's a boy

Yeah, you had to pre order bd

[elder crane]

It's a very 🐳 skin

[coral wren]

60$ for a scarf

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

pretty okay

i spent 300 dollars for a costume in gbf

[timber adder]

enty got yeeted at last

[zenith tundra]

@vague token sandy with mle

same dps pretty much

[elder crane]

Ehhh that's not really a fair comparison, due to torps and torp preload

[granite flame]

Yea come on, you’re comparing her against the overlord sandy, unfair match up

[elder crane]

And ofc armor type and all

[zenith tundra]

surface dps is pretty similar and the boss was light armor so it's not that much of an advantage for kita

[buoyant parrot]

How is everyone with their PR2 progress?

[zenith tundra]

done months ago and glad to not have to farm

[granite flame]

@zenith tundra must be nice, which was the first one you got?

[buoyant parrot]

no u, Stick with your JP Server

we getting there soon

[granite flame]

@buoyant parrot

[zenith tundra]

azuma >fdg>kita>gascogne>seattle>georgia

[buoyant parrot]

@granite flame ahh nice start, what's your main ships you using?

[granite flame]

Someone already has 12 Azuma blueprints in my guild

[zenith tundra]

lucksack or whale or too many cubes

[granite flame]

@buoyant parrot Bismarck level 120 oath Gneu + Scharn level 70 and a dev 24 roon at level 114

[buoyant parrot]

im stuck with 6 Kitakaze BP

I'm aiming for FDG myself but been unlucky with BP's lately

[granite flame]

Yea I got 2 missions for FDG and I got a FDG blueprint from a blue

[buoyant parrot]

Wait is Vanguard included on the point gain? isn't it supposedly just Main?

[granite flame]

So I dedicated to FDG instead of Abuzuma

[zenith tundra]

just main

[granite flame]

it is not included for FDG

[zenith tundra]

roon benefits from bisko so why not

[buoyant parrot]

does CV counts?

[zenith tundra]

all kms backlines

[buoyant parrot]

ahh good

been running Zep I thought she ain't contributing

good to know

[granite flame]

Zep Zeppy Work

They are better due to their skills but the only graf I had was maxed out so it was taking to much oil

[buoyant parrot]

well I have a bisko at 100 and one at 70 but heck 70 bisko aint helping in 10-x

[granite flame]

Do 8-2

[buoyant parrot]

D: I might do that to save oil, specially next event is upon us soon

[zenith tundra]

why 2 bismark when even 1 is not that good

[granite flame]

Don’t crush my heart

I pretend Bismarck is viable

[zenith tundra]

she is viable but do u need 2 of her?

[granite flame]

Probably not

How good is Bismarck with the 18 inch super gun

[buoyant parrot]

well I have the 70 one lying just there for optimal farming in the future for KMS req. But I guess Zepphy-Chan is better

[zenith tundra]

if u mean 457 that gun hates me so i still don't have 1 stuck at 41/50 for the last 10 days after getting 3 bps in 2 days

[granite flame]

[buoyant parrot]

I haven't had a single BP from any of the new Main Guns... Sheesh bad luck is sooo prevalent with me these days

[glacial shuttle]

can Dev25 Nepu replace Belfast on HMS + Juneau/YKKZ?

[forest lake]

She'd want that Dev30 for bigdicc barrage so nah

[midnight heron]

hm didnt know u can exceed exp cap using dorm

[sharp wing]

OwO New oni

[elfin summit]

Oh god damn Amagi's tenryuumon of namaryuu with Nagato&Hiryuu again I so tired to reset it all day... wait

[midnight heron]

when u wanna flex ur dupes

[charred sable]

Meta slave life

[zenith tundra]

well better a meta slave then being force into resets

[shell heron]

Check again

[midnight heron]

fdg bp from w12 research

[small cypress]

@charred sable U are the top in the eu server?

;o

[charred sable]

I'm Avrora

[sharp wing]

Technically all servers are same for na and eu

It's just more EU ppl on Sandy, cause before Sandy launch in September, it was not published in EU (and Australia+NZ)

Still waiting on FGO EU

And i'm tired of ppl calling NA server Global

[plain carbon]

Is FDG even viable without 513 blueprints?

also namiryuu is not meta anymore

as Amagi / Nagato / Warspite destroy that fleet

just let Warspite + amagi focus the enemy amagi

Amagi will go down so quick that you'll have a huge advantage due to amagi buff vs no amagi buff.
Then you have Juneau / Yukikaze / Jintsuu frontline for stall and heals + good torpedo dmg

and Juneau pretty much counteracts hiryuus ability

Guess you can interchange Ibuki and Jintsuu, but I like jintsuu more

[ionic magnet]

fdg is not really better than hiryuu if not dev30
and even at dev30 its still arguable imo

namaryuu is still meta wdym

[plain carbon]

they are not better than Amagi / Nagato / WarKai

[ionic magnet]

its just that anything with warspite destroys everything including namaryuus now

[plain carbon]

yes

so its not meta WarKai is meta

[ionic magnet]

doesnt make it less meta

[plain carbon]

its not the best anymore

[ionic magnet]

its still the best def fleet you can have

[meager dawn]

I missed too many fucking attacks now I'm stuck in 3k

[ionic magnet]

on offense you have hundreds of options

on def its only namaryuus

[plain carbon]

namaryuu on defense is also not better than the warspite options

[ionic magnet]

who said that

[plain carbon]

as the amagi snipe is way too quick

[ionic magnet]

[plain carbon]

as long as you arent actually slow

in your head

[ionic magnet]

anything not namaryuu are just free wins tbh

[plain carbon]

you position to attack amagi and you win

[meager dawn]

why not snipe hiryuu so you can save 15s

[plain carbon]

Good one

[ionic magnet]

sniping amagi is not always the best option

[meager dawn]

Only if you're me and your warspite misses both snipes even with STAAG and double sg

[plain carbon]

if you snipe hiryuu you'll lose 1 warspite proc 1 warspite salvo 1 amagi barrage

as they come off quicker than Hiryuu is capable of dying again

and dies to random damage at the end of those things

[ionic magnet]

for example for warkai+FC its better to snipe hiryuu

[plain carbon]

not using amagi in your fleet is a free win for any attacker tho

Amagis passive buffs + debuffs are too good

[ionic magnet]

proccing hiryuu when you still have a healthy VG means less dmg to your backline

amagi is overrated

[plain carbon]

everyone has their own thing I guess

Juneau vs Hiryuu is always a safe bet

[meager dawn]

not using amagi
I don't use her cuz I don't have her

[plain carbon]

@meager dawn poor shikikan

[hoary pasture]

does monarch use SHS + type 1 white shell for aux in pvp?

[elder crane]

No, pretty much only arguably warspite makes good use of 2 shells

you pretty much always want one SG/HFCR instead of SHS; the hit stat is too valuable

[sharp wing]

btw, they fixed BBs shooting MG point blank

[hoary pasture]

iif i dont have hfcr, just take regular fcr?

[elder crane]

there's a few niche skill-related cases where SHS can be useful over Type1 though
E.g. Bismarck due to first salvo autocrit
though, if you run SG+SHS on Bismarck and have her flag, that's a bit questionable

just take SG

[sharp wing]

no, double SG

[hoary pasture]

i need that much hit?

[sharp wing]

hsfcr only good cause of Skill

Much?

even double SG not enough for Warkai to not miss barrage 100%

+staag

and what to say about other BBs, with much less luck and hit

[elder crane]

yeah, eva and hit are super valuable in PvP on main fleet
the first +35 hit gives almost as much expected (averaged) damage as either shell, for around a +8-10% eHP boost from the +15 eva
Type1 almost always edges out SHS for the second slot if you already have +hit and want maximum damage output

[hoary pasture]

oh so type 1 + sg? or is double sg better?

[elder crane]

first is more offense focused, 2nd is more balanced; roughly a +10% eDmg for -10% eHP or so

[sharp wing]

type1 was too inaccurate on warkai for me

[elder crane]

if you want to go defensive, you can go Rudder/Badge+SG, which is about a -15% eDmg for +15% eHP or so relative to double SG

[hoary pasture]

i c... ok

[sharp wing]

Amagi can laugh on you even with 200 hit

evarate buffs

broken stuff

[elder crane]

idk, I go with SG+White shell+410AP for my Warkai
reliably focuses down Amagi with 2 barrages and main guns, as long as team provides a bit of support

[sharp wing]

Bu this no point black volleys is fun stuff now, lol

[charred sky]

May i ask something ?

[sharp wing]

sg+shell make me rage

[charred sky]

Is there anyway to counter bb or avi dmg ????

[sharp wing]

AA reduces avi damage

bb, only some items and FE against burns

[midnight heron]

double sg warkai can miss barrage lul

[sharp wing]

it can, but much less, than shell

[midnight heron]

make me kms

[sharp wing]

after 2 days with shell i was ready to throw it out of a window

[charred sky]

Coz i always got wiped when i met enterprise lul

[sharp wing]

1st of all u need 120 ships

cause lvl disadvantage main damage issue

[charred sky]

Oh i see

[sharp wing]

each lvl difference makes u take 2% more damage and deal 2% less damage

[charred sky]

My ship lvl average is 95

[sharp wing]

on top of acc/eva penalties

lmao

ofc

that's 50% extra damage from 120 ships

lol

[charred sky]

Oh

I understand

Ty

[sharp wing]

Aim for meme fleets

fighting full 120 fleets will be pretty impossible

at this point

even 110 ships will have hard time

[elder crane]

ehh
I did a rough estimate of the RNG spread, and you can expect that SG+white shell warkai to do better than SG+SG warkai up to like the 99.9+% percentile

yeah, level advantage is a huge deal
for a mirror fleet, around 5 levels already evens out the advantages attacker gets, and so 10 levels becomes very difficult and more than that almost impossible

especially if you're also doing nonoathed vs oathed

[sharp wing]

esp if u don random comp

that you use for pve

Which is probably the case

got 6 pounds... 0 good

[vague token]

im just using shell/rudder since i have dork and amagi follow up

i can afford a barrage whiff since the damage coming afterwards is insane

[sharp wing]

that's not even funny

Don't forget, only 1st barrage has bonus damage

[vague token]

yeah, but that's ok cause dork amped shelling is coming in right after

who then amps warspite's shelling and amagi barrage

hsfcr on dork 410 for the first punch, warspite 410 for the 2nd, and if by some miracle they're alive, amagi follows with triple 381

[midnight heron]

i tried lvl 110 nakaga before and got rekt

winrate nonexistent until u get extremely lucky

even when buffed by siruis/aurora

or even sendai

[sharp wing]

Memers

[vague token]

oh that new cl is getting a retro on release

good old resource tax to get a usable ship like mogami

[sharp wing]

what retro?

Yuu?

We need random exercise in AL

pick ships from random pool and play

This shit is dope on IS

[vague token]

the one in the event banner

[sharp wing]

eh?

[empty grove]

That white haired chick in the military uniform that released with a retro

[vague token]

for dawning ceremony

whoever she is

[sharp wing]

Haven't seen news on that

[vague token]

it was on reddit, had a link from weibo

or w/e

[sharp wing]

eww reddit

[empty grove]

I saw it on twitter

[finite valve]

http://is2.4chan.org/vg/1576983642010.jpg

[vague token]

so presumably standard is gonna suck, and retro is gonna be mogami tier right? xD

[empty grove]

I'm waiting for the revealing skin that'll make her embarrassed

||Also Sanrui skin never||

[sharp wing]

Retro thighs upgrade

[ionic magnet]

even suruga got thighs upgrade

[sharp wing]

[ionic magnet]

not even retro

[vague token]

i mean, everyone knows when you add thiccness you are more popular

just look at atelier ryza ;)

hopefully suruga has some cool skills

[upper sparrow]

is centaur for defense fleet still bugged?

[ionic magnet]

not just her

even amagi barrage

im surprised nagato barrage is fine tbh

[upper sparrow]

so WFC comp in defense fleet is pretty bad huh

[ionic magnet]

well anything not namaryuu is bad on def

[plain carbon]

you can also just use the WarKai fleet in defense

[vague token]

centaur's just the one that completely whiffs while the rest are just w/e

xD

[ionic magnet]

centaurs looks so weird

[vague token]

i mean it's because hers is the only one that is a fixed orientation with a vertical component

and lazy mirroring gets both axes xD

[sharp wing]

warkai on def is bad too

[elder crane]

That's more that she really relies on hitting the killing damage threshold, which she usually fails to
Full HMS Warkai though can actually still be threatening if you don't have something that walls the focus out

[vague token]

or just use dork amp

double the amped damage, double the fun

and no wasted first salvo for dork

[elder crane]

I tried her out with Amagi and Warspite, and Dork was surprisingly bad
She somehow doesn't actually allow for better sniping than Nagato in that team, and her overall contribution afterwards is low
Ends up at like half the dmg dealt as warkai, and like 70% of Amagi's

[vague token]

what guns

because i usually get amagi around 12-15k, dork at 20-30k, and ws 25-35k

[elder crane]

I tried with either both AP or triple 381 on Dork
Triple 381 can't even give a reliable kill with Warkai 2nd barrage, which then means you waste another volley
AP Snipes, but then just falls flat after

[vague token]

oh, im using 410 hsfcr dork, 410 shell ws, triple 381 amagi

[elder crane]

I even moved to one shell setup on both, but that didn't really help all that much

410 HSFCR just gets cucked by rudder if that procs, which is even worse

[vague token]

i havent noticed that

like at all

[elder crane]

You haven't tested against someone with rudder on focus target then

[vague token]

i mean i leave formation fixed usually

[elder crane]

In any case, the follow-up is an issue still
And Dork's output is pretty shitty regardless given that her output is all she actually brings to the table

[vague token]

she's been more reliable for me than kgv/amagi/ws

[elder crane]

Idk, I don't have KGV maxed
NamagiWS was more reliable for me

Or FCWS

[vague token]

i dont like not having amagi xD

plus hitting 1700-2000 non-crits on first set of shots is pretty satisfying ;)

[elder crane]

Anyways, I'm using HFC right now since I'd like to scavenge the equips I usually run on my BBs
And that works pretty well, despite what I've heard
Aside from Hiryuu just laughing at WS focus, a rudder+armor Hiryuu with Formi support outlasts Namagi's Hiryuu; wipe VG first launch, kill their fleet 2nd launch

[meager dawn]

[elder crane]

Only "issue" is that brings back the good ole Hiryuu v Hiryuu duels

[vague token]

rip

[meager dawn]

just don't use hiryuu

[vague token]

i like being able to brute force top slot barring extreme rng from 100-0

[meager dawn]

no more hiryuu v hiryuu

[frail orbit]

6 months later
FDG vs FDG

[vague token]

or final counter before first air strike kek

[frail orbit]

[elder crane]

Dw they always get proced first
It's just, liable to give you mini heart attack

[vague token]

i dont see hiryuu top that often

but hiryuu fc at the 20 is hilarious

hiryuu tops can sink before 2nd standard strike

[elder crane]

It's like, sure, you think your hiryuu proc'd 2nd, but after he's 10 s into immunity, how confident are you now

[vague token]

or if juneau is non-lead

juneau mid/off gets top rekt by dork/amagi/ws focus because she sinks too late

https://gyazo.com/6146fca0f334814735bbf1744aaa446d

toppus deletus

[elder crane]

Why does your WS do so little dmg smh
I swear mine's always 40k+ vs proper teams

[vague token]

oh that one doesnt have juneau

it would be higher

lemme find a juneau

https://gyazo.com/eb15f2337ccde8b9fd3819b67ded15fb

here ill try this one

also it's probably because she whiffed a 5k barrage shell on hiryuu

https://gyazo.com/6678f273d6bd1890a4dd8961ec7d6e73

rng'd by torpedos

oops dork mvp

[frail orbit]

[vague token]

one of the shells whiffed

i think dork just doesnt like you blue

;)

[zenith tundra]

people that don't use def gear on hiryuu should just stop putting namaryuu def

even on jp i look at their hiryuu at 20% hp and mine at 80%...

no chances of ever winning like that

or even stalling that much

[sharp wing]

His ws is low damage cause he uses shell rudder

And what the actual hecc with that buki bp in exchange...

[vague token]

wait what

[sharp wing]

yr not sandy

[zenith tundra]

maybe they finally added pr bps to exchange

they are really rare tho

[hot creek]

too late, unless PR2 BP are there too

[sharp wing]

Instanutbuy

[zenith tundra]

i would still buy them for proto shop

u can turn 20 medals into 1/24 of a dr bp

[vague token]

give us that mechanic kthx

[meager dawn]

proto shop?

[hot creek]

by the time EN gets that shop, I'll have DR 60 anyways

[sharp wing]

I'm still fine w/ pr1 bps

[zenith tundra]

fate 5 for dr... if that is a thing no bps ammount will be safe

[cerulean estuary]

need that shop i have 100 extra roon bp's

[zenith tundra]

proto shop allows to exchange extra pr bps for points u can use to buy universal bps for pr1-2 and dr and equip bps @meager dawn

[meager dawn]

Is that new

[zenith tundra]

introduced last main in jp/cn

[vague token]

please no fate 5 for pr2

[meager dawn]

[vague token]

their skills are pretty much fine

[sharp wing]

it will be eventually

[zenith tundra]

for pr i would say yes for dr tho...

[meager dawn]

Gotta powercreep somehow

[sharp wing]

No point to not have it

[zenith tundra]

kita special barrage could be improved sice it procs twice per battle if that even last more then 1min

[meager dawn]

Just make all of her torps count for the 10 torp req. for the barrage

[zenith tundra]

problem is that she shoots 6 every like 8s

[sharp wing]

Should give her double torps instead double mg

[vague token]

they could scale it

[zenith tundra]

she would be broken

[meager dawn]

Give her torp mount +1

[zenith tundra]

instead of 10 they should reduce to 7-8

[sharp wing]

we already have ship that launches extra torp volley w/ skill

[meager dawn]

Also does her torp barrage require her to be the lead ship or is that for the guaranteed 10s thing?

Both huh

[zenith tundra]

only for 10s

she can proc it even if not lead

[meager dawn]

oh

[zenith tundra]

as i said with a quad u don't see that before 80s on auto

with quint mag it's easier

[meager dawn]

So does she prefer quint mag?

Kinda like mogami?

[sharp wing]

She needs skill like Kiyonami, lol

[zenith tundra]

rainbow quint is amazing on her

[meager dawn]

sucks I only have 1

[zenith tundra]

gascogne could use extra heal. her heal barelly keeps up with fires in w11

[meager dawn]

wait she has a heal?

[sharp wing]

Her heal is better than monarch

[meager dawn]

I only know her main gun thing

[sharp wing]

twice per battle and at 50%

[meager dawn]

So a 2nd BB zombie?

[zenith tundra]

it might be but she still loses hp with it when on fire

[sharp wing]

well, ofc she loses hp...

[meager dawn]

That heal seems pretty damn good

[vague token]

just use hiei-chan+amagi+birmingham

there no more fire problems

;)))))

[sharp wing]

just 1 fe and u can run np...

[zenith tundra]

too bad fe passive doesn't stack for that to be even a thing

[sharp wing]

no gear skills stack

[zenith tundra]

i mean the meme

[meager dawn]

Sad that the white shells don't stack

[sharp wing]

or double FE would be

[meager dawn]

Like it isn't even stated in the skill's description

[sharp wing]

It's how game works

[zenith tundra]

all gear passive don't stack

[vague token]

i mean between FE and birmingham, you already reduce fire duration by 9 seconds total xD

[sharp wing]

I mean, w10-11 was never a problem...

before all these things even existed

[meager dawn]

It was for pleb me

Actually just w10

w11 I just used 120 ships

[sharp wing]

well, w11 is not burn problem

[meager dawn]

I thought w11 is w10 but with more firebotes and BBs shitting on your flagship