#pvp
still minnow
do you know what the retrofit skill is
midnight heron
no cuz its just announced
wont know until someone datamine it
inb4 same as yuugure
also prob wont be released in en at the same time
still minnow
well I just pulled hatsuharu an hour ago trying to pull yuugure and I really want to use her because she's turbo cute
but her stats are just so bad
cerulean estuary
glowworm + leipzig combo wombo
so she can ram others
sleek verge
LMAO
1 DAMAGE AHHAHA
literally questionable gameplay
wouldn't Eldridge be more annoying though?
you won't die, but you will time out
- bring Akagi-chan
meager dawn
pretty sure you still take ram dmg even with eldridge
also trying to time out in pvp is practically impossible unless the other fleet is also a meme fleet 
sleek verge
two meme fleets
probably possible
2 owaridas until sundown
if you're both too luckily unlucky
blazing scroll
is the way to go
midnight heron
just use repair ship + some trash torp boat
granite flame
When is PR2 release ?
cerulean estuary
pr2 + w13 + new skins = 10 hrs maintenance
with a surprise extension 
midnight heron
oath skin
midnight compass
Surprise extension = more maintenance compensation
granite flame
- inability to join the servers after the @everyone message comes up
sacred oracle
glacial shuttle
This good enough to counter Namaspite?
Using Monarch + Warspite
forest lake
Hellcat to Reppuu, Steam Cata to Rudder
granite flame
If I want to suffer in pvp and go a full KMS comp, my frontline would be Eugen, Leipzig, and Roon, correct ?
elder crane
That seems like it'd have major speed issues, but idk what I'd use over Eugen
Maybe Z46? Eugen might just be the best option anyways for full KMS...
forest lake
Just go Roon Ykkz Juneau 
coral wren
Damn, laffey oath skin
Well, good thing amagi lovers got giga fucked on this one
Kek
granite flame
@red nexus but destroyers in pvp were terrible I thought
Aside a few exceptions
@coral wren that’s justice at its finest
coral wren
granite flame
Damn
@red nexus maybe you’re right about köln
Compared to leipzig köln has pretty similar stats
Despite being a rare 
red nexus
well rarity doesn't really say anything
granite flame
Guess not
vague token
usuallly sister ships with different rarities have like under 1% differences in stats
so a gold ship vs a common would have like maybe 100ish hp and around 10 primary stats more
elder crane
Leip is great for effectively DD speed on her the minor stall and buff
Well, great is stretching it
More "not bad"
elfin summit
damn, didn't check positions before fight and just took leftmost opponent, resulting +9
he was 7 points below
speaking of which, what is threshold for getting -1 penalty?
I mean, like 30 for +1
midnight heron
its 35
coral wren
Nagato/Amagi/Mutsu meta when?
ionic magnet
@elfin summit you get +9 only if he's below you in ranks
midnight heron
its for both ends
elfin summit
always? I mean, even when 1 point below?
ionic magnet
even same score can get you +9
elfin summit
oh
ionic magnet
as long as hes below you in ranks
elfin summit
rip should be extra carefull next time then
ionic magnet
missed another 4 charges
really hard to focus when you're at home only 
elfin summit
wish I could get back to my home mode and live at server time again
PvPing from EU is sort of struggle
vague token
if only there was space for cruiser buffs in the vg
but any vg focus automatically requires aurora
so rip
hot creek
Sandbagger on list garuantees at least a +1 though.
shell heron
At this time. A +2 per reset is ideal
hot creek
these days, a +2 per reset is extremely lucky. On Sandy at least.
dusk stirrup
empty grove
upper sparrow
shy hazel
time to see
dead seasons again
pvp was dead when ppl were grinding pr 1
and it will be again
granite flame
Free rank 1!
elfin summit
speaking of which, what would be notable ships in PR2? 
PvP-wise
I missed discussion and can't find anything in pins
and would be any at all
hot creek
Mostly Azuma and FDG
elfin summit
what is their expected contribution?
hot creek
both are absurd but Azuma apparently swings winrates hard vs someone who is using her and someone who doesn't. So if you don't use her yourself you will be left in the dust.
Only from what I've heard from jp/cn so take it with a grain of salt.
But, stats don't lie. Azuma is fucking absurd
FDG is good but she's more of a sidegrade or slight upgrade from the already OP backline ships we currently have.
proper thistle
What existing meta ship would azuma replace most often
proper thistle
Oh snap
granite flame
hot creek
Yeah literally. Like IJN getting the final infinity stone.
granite flame
Adding large cruisers to begin with is a pepega move
How hard is it to beat a Azuma fleet of you don’t use Azuma ?
Since it’s. 4-2 fleet vs a 3-3 fleet
vague token
pretty tough, her total hp and the fact she wastes less damage than all other vg slots makes it difficult
elfin summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiYgTEAS-wk @ 7:00 her barrage doesn't look much powerful, so I believe her power is just plain FP, right?
vague token
her power is putting hood stats in the vanguard slot
we're talking 7.5k hp, 8k with armor, so around 16-18k hp with pvp adjustments
vague token
she can use armor to go to heavy
elfin summit
oh wait there was some aux for her
yeah
I knew that thing was made with some purpose
still, does Azuma actually need additional HP?
vague token
upgrading medium armor to heavy does a ton of work in bb meta
dd aux ships do laughable damage
and it greatly reduces cl gun ones
and lets you just beef through both amagi and nagato barrage
granite flame
Must be nice
elder crane
It's especially nice vs Nagato and Amagi barrages
Those do about twice the damage to med/light than they do to heavy
elder crane
Ofc it leaves her more vulnerable to torps and bombs
Luckily for her, neither are in the current meta
From what I hear, Azuma IJN wins almost half the time as defense team compared to nonAzuma IJN/HMS teams
The best nonAzuma team for dealing with Azuma is probably FC-comps (on offense ofc)
ionic magnet
using azuma jun ykkz also means no more torp memes and no defensive buffs (sheff/bel)
less burst dmg means my jun can heal better
so overall i dont think it will be any harder than it is rn
elfin summit
cool I know my first PR2 ship now 
elder crane
Even getting her to dev15/20 or so will be a major PitA though
elfin summit
elder crane
DR print drop rate and all 
smoky elk
Azuma's first million xp use IJN backline, the 2nd 3million xp use IJN vg right?
elder crane
Yes
finite valve
also pray that you already got 6 rudder and 6 stagg ready to go
since you ain't going back to PR 1
elder crane
I heard rudder is in PR2 pools too this morning
Not sure how much I trust that, but I need to check that sometime
elfin summit
rudder?
since you ain't going back to PR 1
wait why?
I mean, does it get blocked?
elder crane
Well, since the assumption is you'll be doing PR2 projects 90% of the time
elfin summit
oh I see
smoky elk
fire ex instead of holobatch
elfin summit
wait, why boiler tho? does it's speed buff this essential?
ionic magnet
yes you want around 2 boilers for a 2 CL 1 DD setup
elder crane
and even 3 boilers is probably an upgrade over toolbox on ykkz still
it just gets increasingly difficult to fit in boilers at that point
ionic magnet
helps in dodging shells, barrage and all
elder crane
shells and bombs mostly
elder crane
For PvP, 76 mm > singly 120 mm since range isn't an issue on vanguard
alternatively, 100mm is also an option for the AA to better survive vs aviation damage
elfin summit
about extinguisher... does DDs do actually suffer from fire dot this much?
never paid attention to it
elfin summit
oh god that hurts
ionic magnet
1 fire proc and its like half their hp already
elfin summit
it does like 600-800 a tick
wait, with fire having 5 tics, it would be 3k this way already which is almost 100% of my nanoda
still, she survives somehow
elfin summit
ah
elder crane
0.9+0.012*[ship level]
ionic magnet
they get different buffs depending on ship class also
elder crane
buffs/debuffs
which don't forget, self dmg buff/debuffs stack additively with skills that do the same
As a rule, fires bypass everything that isn't explicitly stated to affect fires
even the usual 2% damage dealt/taken modifier per ship level doesn't affect fires (neither does the damage reduction given by dangerlevel affect fires)
that last point isn't super relevant in PvP, but it's why fires in PvE still hurt so much even if you're 25 levels above the map and at safe danger level
elfin summit
never paid attention to this need to check out now
elder crane
oh, huh, that might be why Hyuuga was much better than I expected
I thought she'd be subpar, but she ended up being surprisingly decent
anyways, the not-affected-by-levels thing is really annoying for PvE, where you're usually many levels above the map
your fires don't get your dmg bonus, and are a lot weaker than they should be
enemy fires hit up to literally 150% harder than they "should" based on level and danger level mechanics
vague token
oh no, i dont have 15% dr compared to CAs
too bad i have 50% or more hp
xD
except roon
rancid sable
Just topped the leaderboard for the first time ever
hot creek
sleek verge
how does the beaver work?
if I equip 11 boilers and 1 beaver, what would that do?
damn lol numba wan
sleek verge
aw rip lol backline didn't help haha gotcha thanks
midnight heron
has anyone tried 6 boilers + beaver 
hot creek
six boilers, beaver, all DD + Charlie 
sacred oracle
DEJA VU
hot creek
Take a +1 now and refresh into a new list or wait for someone else on my current list who I know could potentially give me a +2. 
hot creek
time to burn cubes
hot creek
convert PR1 BP to PR2 BP
hot creek
still kind of mad about it. Since all those extra general BP I couldve farmed will be useful now.
Looks like you can only convert 1 DR BP a month so I guess you can't really abuse it.
vague token
eww
elder crane
10/month
hot creek
oh damn, I misread
ionic magnet
vague token
oh that's better
hot creek
thats gonna lead to a huge headstart for those with a general BP stockpile
whenever that shop gets implemented
ionic magnet
thats gonna lead to a huge headstart for those with a general BP stockpile
cant you convert the regular BPs?
vague token
extra step i guess?
hot creek
general BP does get an advantage though since you can only scrap ship already at dev 30
ionic magnet
oh that makes sense now
hot creek
I guess it won't be that bad though since even the biggest stockpiles won't be able to maintain 240 scrap BP a month.
elder crane
There's some/many CN peeps that should be able to keep it up a few months
hot creek
imagine if they didn't have to be dev 30 to scrap
ashen lion
Wtf ? 10hours i thought it will be 6 hours
hot creek
inb4 pvp gets rekt
hot creek
captain yuki will be safe 
vague token
ashen lion
That's why yuki spent all of it
hot creek
uw0t
how many extra do you have on the other PR?
now the question is when will EN get the shop
and would it be better to just go for PR1 BP for mass scrap while doing DR focus comm when it pops up.
ashen lion
Mine , and I also have 42 general bp 
hot creek
Hmm. 10 DR BP/month isn't too much of a difference though. If hyper whale/no sleepers can get a DR to dev 30 in 4 months.
I stopped doing BP comms a long time ago
so I don't have much leftover after I dev 30 the ones I still need to unlock
vague token
i just do free ones usually
inner zenith
@hot creek wdym by scrap
hot creek
converting BP to the shop currency @inner zenith
inner zenith
ok
hot creek
Man I really hope maintenance really isn't 10 hrs. I was planning to stay up so I can be there when servers are up to start the time gates immediatley so I can get first comment on Azuma or FDG lol
vague token
just go sleeeep ;)
hot creek
Everytime I go to sleep, maintenance ends early.
vague token
is first that important ;)
hot creek
Nah. But then again, you're in a channel where people routinely go for EoS
ashen lion
red nexus
Then go to sleep, but set your alarm clock early
potent moth
Is Monarch good for pvp? I just realized that her barrage hit only 1 ship in the main fleet 😦
forest lake
Her barrage can hit middle (and bottom too I think) but it's just 1 or 2 shells
Tho that's not the point
You can take advantage of her AP barrage since most backliners are medium/heavy armor which take more AP damage. It has a pretty high damage too so
coral wren
Meh, i think the chances of hitting bottom is like 1%
zenith tundra
24 pr bps for enough points for a dr one...
zenith tundra
it also seems to refresh every month like core data
forest lake
inb4 24h extension
finite valve
@zenith tundra what else do they have for exchange like gear and such?
zenith tundra
u can exchange bps for ships and equip and that's it
finite valve
gear bp or the whole gear?
zenith tundra
ofc she is the most broken ship in the game after all
shy hazel
azuma is more useful in pvp tho
shy hazel
lots of choice for a backline ship
front not really
at that point
order of priority azuma -> fdg -> gascon
dont really care about the other 3
guess ill just make ktkz 4th cos cheap to farm
gascon cos i like design
zenith tundra
i would go kita azuma fdg gascogne seattle georgia. but only because u can level kita for azuma xp and fdg for gascogne xp
shy hazel
i dont think ill use kita anyways
initial oil costs still high
if i wanna unlock everything within 36 days
this is fine
i dont know if i can unlock all again in 36 tho
too busy
ill buy oil again maybe
shy hazel
it was pretty easy for me
per pr took about 4 days xp farming
2 days of waiting
drs will probably take 5
well
if i can have that time
its december
lots of work for finance people like me
lets see
u can run any front and back now
full dds for front farming
then full cvls for back farm
👀
zenith tundra
why?
zenith tundra
oh forgot about that map as only farming spot for low cost
coral wren
deutschland uber alles
I think fdg is quite popualr not because she is kms or useful, but because of "MOMMY" retards
Backline ships are all quite good. Vg tho... not so sure, zack you said new ijn destroyer is quite shitty and i remember some ijn players said seattle is not that useful as well
zenith tundra
with gun fix they both got a dps boost
kita is a dd. she clears extremely fast anything where she gets +50% dmg
seattle is actually a good aa cl and can work as good as any gunboat cl
upper sparrow
how good georgia in pvp?
zenith tundra
i can't test her because level 110 only but her barrage is really strong and it can hit any backlines
granite flame
@upper sparrow over shadowed by warspite Amagi FDG
but she’s still good
Better Washington / SD
upper sparrow
hmm ok
zenith tundra
without barrage procs she is worse then any other bb
granite flame
I don’t see a point in using Georgia unless you really want to try to kill someone’s Azuma
Even then you’re better off with the other cancer Backline 3.0 ships
zenith tundra
her barrage doesn't really do well against moving ships and that is pve
i'll stick with namaryuu till they make a better nagato or hiryuu
hot creek
Got an Azuma comm 
coral wren
Damn, want to max fate pr1
zenith tundra
she is useless before dev 5 too tbh
shy hazel
any ship is what
coral wren
Rainbow gun is pr2 gun, right?
zenith tundra
yeah georgia gun
finite valve
zenith tundra
she is a half/half more then actual vg
finite valve
110k for fdg and azuma is going to be a pain
zenith tundra
go for w9 with 2 backlines
neon trench
So Friedrich is going to be super good for pvp I assume..?
meager dawn
Just wehl
zenith tundra
even with namagi she needs dev 30 to be better then hiryuu
neon trench
yeah, it will take a while lol
coral wren
6 months lol
zenith tundra
if u don't invest cubes then a while means like a year
coral wren
Well, jsut spend cubes
frail orbit
Btw.
Better dev30 my headnod + getting 6th STAAG, or just let it go for PR2?
coral wren
Wait, where is w13
frail orbit
Headnod at dev25 atm
coral wren
scammers
meager dawn
Not in EN
coral wren
nice update btw
ionic magnet
you dont need 6th staag
zenith tundra
if u really want nep dev 30 just do her researches when available
hot creek
xmas Neptune is more expensive than standard skin
frail orbit
@ionic magnet well yeah. But kinda baffled at the usage of 4 STAAG tbh
On FDG cancer team
coral wren
Hm, zack, focusing pr2 will make it so only pr2 tasks will be shown?
meager dawn
Just slap STAAG on everyone lmao
zenith tundra
i kind of want that skin but i would need to buy gems...
ionic magnet
you need 3 at most
frail orbit
Have 5 already atm.
zenith tundra
i was leveling up shigure so i could waste a bit of money on her retro so i welcome the boost
zenith tundra
lol
hot creek
shoukaku gaining mad xp
shy hazel
what u farming F
hot creek
zooma
sleek verge
AvGas better than steam cata in PvP or nah?
zenith tundra
yes for solo cv
hot creek
i just did my daily raids
sleek verge
mommy
3k?
dafuq?
get Langley
'cause their skill stacks
and throw in a Yuubari
exp gang
3.3k without those lol crazy stuff
shy hazel
anyways share me your farming method later
zenith tundra
for pr farm better just use 3 same nation then 1 booster and 2 of what u need
shy hazel
fastest and oil efficient pulease
sleek verge
ah
hot creek
I will probably just go to 9-3. The usual place where I powerlevel CV.
shy hazel
9-3 has no jihadships?
zenith tundra
just use fe on a cv
shy hazel
i want someone sol oand undying
zenith tundra
come on
shy hazel
oh crap
hot creek
it does have them but the secret is avoiding the x3 triangle BB nodes and retreating early. Usually get 2 to 4 battles in before you have to retreat.
shy hazel
my hosho is mlb
zenith tundra
just get a new one lol
zenith tundra
7-4
zenith tundra
i would use a mlb mahn of phoenix or anything low cost
hot creek
just pick a somewhat capable but not too powerful frontliner, otherwise they steal MVP
shy hazel
i wonder if phx lb0 can tank w9
zenith tundra
not lb0
shy hazel
i decimated my lb0 zombies
hot creek
im at 9-3 now
zenith tundra
that's like almost 6k exp
granite flame
God is real
wind orbit
midnight heron
using izumo in pve for pr 
killmepls burn dmg
midnight heron
zenith tundra
fe is also a thing
midnight heron
gud time to train akaga tho
midnight heron
cursed pvp
zenith tundra
it usually is dead around maintenances tho
upper sparrow
how
zenith tundra
wdym random?
midnight heron
hood warspite enty
zenith tundra
vg?
midnight heron
bel yuki jun
midnight heron
i wasnt using the best comp myself (alt account) but still rng is just bs sometimes
coral wren
have to admit, i like monarch on the middle spot more than kgv
sharp wing
I run Mona flag atm too, cause flag exp bonus, but she turned out to be so good, i forgot I even made it just for exp.
She usually hit all 3 backline.
coral wren
Weird thing is, she never hits other targets if placed on top or bottom
How the fuck does that barrage’s splash work
sharp wing
One of Mysteries of AL
jovial sedge
so fdg is first if ur not ijn whore?
zenith tundra
there is no 1st dr... all u can do is hope u get bps for them
zenith tundra
u should always pick fdg researches over azuma because fdg ones are more rare
zenith tundra
any fdg research>any azuma research>whoever pr u want to max 1st
zenith tundra
focus doesn't do much because it only locks 2 slots to that season
zenith tundra
better then nothing for sure
jovial sedge
well sadly other pr so useless : / cos devs
midnight heron
didnt even get any pr2 research when i login lul
zenith tundra
F
jovial sedge
well guess someone was using too much ijn cancer so...
zenith tundra
problem is azuma make cancer even worse
jovial sedge
hmm fdg need main ships that opens up slot for graf
it sad but ive said about that in past a lot
...
seems devs bias never ends
zenith tundra
if u look from a pve point of view with w13 uss is by far best faction
jovial sedge
pff who cares about that ... cos u can do it with anyone
but win with uss against cancer
zenith tundra
if u manual i think u can win with anything good but auto is a different story
jovial sedge
hmm this is good with zeppy there is exactly 6 main ships
also just realized why i got
zenith tundra
too bad u cannot use 2 of the same ship for 0lb farm
jovial sedge
ye ... i was just well graf is too sexy so leaving just with 1 is not enough
midnight heron
loli retro
granite flame
I’m boutta act up
by taking her to school and ensuring she has a good education and is successful in life
midnight heron
zenith tundra
what other ships u have available?
coral wren
lmao
sharp wing
Pro gathering downvotes
Any1 had weird bug w/ AL on Emu last few days, when it would register mouse touch 1/3 screen away from visual mouse position, lol
small cypress
@zenith tundra I have zuikaku, akagi, sora, long island (no kai), repulse and queen elizabeth (low lvl)
Holy
granite flame
I have 4 now
small cypress
@granite flame hey
granite flame
yo?
small cypress
I have a question
ripe latch
8h oil commisions
zenith tundra
none of those are good pvp ships tbh. i would just use whichever is higher level till u get some better ships. qe wouldn't be bad just not really worth leveling up
ripe latch
azuma gun only from research?
granite flame
@small cypress ask away
bleak osprey
@granite flame please note that trophies are only allowed in #trophy-room 
granite flame
@bleak osprey my bad got a little flex happy there
sharp wing
small cypress
@zenith tundra But enty and wars are good pvp ships?
sharp wing
Wait, u have not retro ws?
small cypress
I have retro ws
sharp wing
then it can carry you whatever
zenith tundra
then ws is best standalone ship for pvp
granite flame
You can be carried by the big 3, Azuma, FDG, or WS retro
small cypress
FDG? the new one?
sharp wing
Don't bother for now
zenith tundra
if u ever get hiryuu she is pretty good for pvp
ripe latch
100lvl fdg 
small cypress
Friedich?
sharp wing
DR ships will take a year for you to catch up
midnight heron
friedrice dats gross
sharp wing
CE rerun soon
ripe latch
hiryuu now garbage?
sharp wing
Mamagi
small cypress
And what do you think about my vanguard?
sharp wing
Why is she garbage?
small cypress
I have laffey retro, sandy retro and prinz
sharp wing
ez warkai cockblock
ripe latch
ws kai and pr2?
shell heron
Still very usable.
ripe latch
shell heron
Dont doubt the bunny. She dodged my WSkai shells 
zenith tundra
hiryuu ws kai can carry against almost every team
finite valve
lol i eat that team for breakfast
sharp wing
cause that's o def
finite valve
just position ws vs ws and you will win
sharp wing
warkai especially bad on def
zenith tundra
on def is bad but works on offense
sharp wing
and hiryuu offense ez block warkai
sharp wing
ppl rushing DR exp day 1
zenith tundra
pretty sure any other barrage bb is better then dev 1 fdg even if 120
midnight heron
saw it on reddit already
zenith tundra
like people weren't rushing pr1 ships too when they came out
finite valve
i am just going to use team liquid + azuma
ripe latch
seattle usable on pvp ws dd teams?
finite valve
hence why ppl should rush azuma before fdg
ripe latch
zenith tundra
dunno about seattle in pvp. the problem is that she doesn't really bring much for pvp
15% dmg reduction as off tank.... maybe in some stalling comps but pretty sure there are better choices for that
sharp wing
seattle looks pretty underwhelming
finite valve
atm VG are locked with azuma YKK and jesus
sharp wing
besides seattle has no torps
and is not Azuma
I use buki till "My wife"
The Kraken
ripe latch
|| she hack your life ||
zenith tundra
i liked ibuki in pvp but azuma is straight better from any point of view and not rng
sharp wing
obviously
But we don't have dev 20 azuma yet
So next few months will be buki
I'll 120 her in couple weeks from pvp
they hit 200 too early
zenith tundra
around dev 15 they already are comparable
sharp wing
stat boosts are 15 and 25
finite valve
bunch of filthy torp autism
zenith tundra
the extra tankiness is so nice
zenith tundra
i don't remember what was this against but wtf
sharp wing
no barrages on naga and amagi
ws without SG + 2ndSG/HSFCR also tend to miss half barrage
swapping to double acc was huge QoL imporvement
esp since only 1st barrage has bonus damage
zenith tundra
missing any of the 2 shoots of the 1st barrage is a huge dmg loss
sharp wing
it's about lsing full salvo from 410 in damage
sharp wing
0%
sharp wing
Being not a degen nowadays = rebel
Also there some annoying bug, when enemy main dies few seconds before yr ship finished loading volley or barrage, but they still target ded ship spot
It's so dumb, lol
been observing this for some time
zenith tundra
georgia does that all the time. mg kills target ap barrage shells land in open water
shell heron
Im still out so I'll grind later.
sharp wing
That same time tho
shell heron
Azuma gives me a great excuse to use foxes tho
sharp wing
I',m talking about when ship dies seconds before
When yr ship already cannot target anything on that spot
zenith tundra
georgia barrage lands right in between mg shoots
sharp wing
no, i mean, her barrage shoots w/ mg fire
shell heron
I always assume the 2nd volley was fired before the ship sunk
sharp wing
So she can target ship before it sinks
zenith tundra
she doesn't tho it's delayed
sharp wing
It may be delayed, but it targeted at the time enemy ship still alive
In case i'm talking, enemy ship was long dead, before yr MG was loaded
So no possible targeting could be made
With georgia it's totally fine
zenith tundra
haven't played enough with bb to ever notice that
sharp wing
It only happens in pvp so far
zenith tundra
i thought u meant pve but pvp mg targeting is so bad
sharp wing
In pve i don't look on screen
vestal compass
Feels like im not understanding Centaur, can someone tell me waht do people bring on her? Ryuusei or Barracuda?
Unsure if im bringing the right fighters
zenith tundra
i saw some mg shoots like u said land 2-3 seconds after the ship was dead in open water too in pvp
sharp wing
if synch w/ Formie ryuu are fine, but usually just barra
well, that's the case, ship dies seconds before yr MG even finished loading, but it will still target dead ship spot
precisely on dead ship spot
I even seen Amagi barrage do that last few days
arcing shells target empty space, where dead ship was
vestal compass
is avgas 100% necessary on her?
zenith tundra
if ur using her solo definitely
vestal compass
I see. Lastly, do i bring 2x of the same fighters, or one of each?
Reppu + Pirate?
vestal compass
mm whats the lowest
sharp wing
lowest what
zenith tundra
fastest setup is double pirate and 2nd is pirate reppu
zenith tundra
i know
zenith tundra
i would use pirate in 1st slot and reppu 2nd so reppu can bait with lowest efficiency slot
vestal compass
ah
sharp wing
Since I cannot get our wiki stuff to make planetables have speed, hp and other planes stats, this is best thing u can compare at http://p4.qhimg.com/t01a23657d3133d6b2d.png
vestal compass
ah
sharp wing
ryuu is useable if u use Formie and synch her stop w/ cent planes
vestal compass
okay
sharp wing
or just preference
vestal compass
alright thank you for explaining
midnight heron
how much r u guys' 1st snipes hitting for per shell?
sharp wing
6+k if not heavy
midnight heron
damn son not sure if i wanna swap out hiryuu for her even tho azuma not available yet
sharp wing
The damage can be really weird
Amagi also affects that anyway
Now i hit only 5k, lol
sharp wing
-20% off no joke
Hiryuu still blocks 2 ws barrages+ salvo + another barrage opposing her
that's brainded
midnight heron
yea knowing -20% it means normally it hits 5k+
sharp wing
And you will evade half barrage half the time lol
esp if it's shell ws
it was so annoying w/ shell that I wanted to throw her out of dock
midnight heron
just reset when urs miss
midnight heron
who to even put beaver on then
sharp wing
just run 3 boilers no beaver
midnight heron
no space tho
rip
just gonna put on amagi
welp only hits 3.8k on heavy
never used her post retro cuz already 120 but damn using her now is just
matches definitely go much faster
even without 4ijn 
sacred oracle
3 boilers, 3 destroyers, one beaver
jovial mural
To get the juicy fdg and start the research, i need more kms points but i have no fucking bullins 
Is there a way to get bullins faster?
I need to get in the pvp train 
vestal compass
Medal shop.
sharp wing
U don't need to rush Fdg exp tho... U got few months, so take yr time
U can do research without ship unlocked
jovial mural
Y getting the BP is going to take so much time 
sharp wing
After few weeks u will get a lot of bulins from weeklies alone
jovial mural
But this is such a pain to get SR bullins Like I have Graf / bismarck and tirpitz stuck at 70 
ionic magnet
btw you still get PR exp even if theyre stuck at lv 70
lament lichen
dont think so
jovial mural
But i cant even start the research
sharp wing
u get exp w/ 0lb ye, but needs MLB to get faction points
For purins do pvp and buy w/ merits in shop
That's main reason most ppl do pvp anyway
and exchange shop have purin pretty often
Also how far are you in points?
Also got Azuma bp from Seattle focused project 
My Wife + her big stick
Also updating BS to new version fixed double Esc input issue
That was annoying af
coral wren
Which aa is now should we grind for?
sharp wing
staag all the way
That new aa has no Acc
Just a good accelerator gun
There also should be another good one, but it's also worse, than staag
coral wren
Hm, aighty then..
sharp wing
hazemeyer
w/ 5 acc
But it's basically slower Staag w/ 5 less acc
And twin 37 that is bad
Slower than new high angle bofors and has much lower aa dps than any other gold aa
elder crane
3 FdG and 5 Azuma prints so far
How's it going for the rest of you?
vague token
1 azuma, 0 everyone else xD
midnight heron
-1 all
safe meteor
so eeeehhhhh... aboot the new pvp meta......
sounds like we are developing a nuke to bomb the pvp meta
vague token
na, more like the return of the ijn
violet sapphire
is it just me or did number of tryhards in washington went up recently?
I dont remember namaryuu being this everywhere in washington
smoky elk
meanwhile in Avrora, as many namaryu as usual
midnight heron
cant imagine how newbies gonna get into pvp now
hot creek
New player cant even get a KMS backline to unlock FDG
hot creek
Which KMS backliner is non event?
jovial mural
Being a new player on any gacha game
sharp wing
cn had mikasa and spee only events w/ more than 1 rerun
being new player is good when game just came out
Oh,we will get Hiper muse w/ collab in early 2k20
Wait, some1 marked Tirpitz on wiki as Exchange eligible ship
time to rapport
jovial mural
Like, do they plan on doing a nagato/amagi rerun?
jovial mural
in 3,5 years
jovial mural
almost mandatory ships in pvp and i was not even there 
sharp wing
well, not really now
after all this HMS
unless u miss warkai event and Formie event
jovial mural
I left AL during formi/centaur event
sharp wing
Well, u got warkai event?
sharp wing
Hood is done for
jovial mural
i'm trying to roll centaur
sharp wing
well, Cent doesn't really synergize into warkai fleets
jovial mural
but she doesnt want me
sharp wing
better go 3 bb
jovial mural
y since u need bbs
with warkai
k'
unfortunately there are no PR2 hms broken ships 
in fact there are no hms ships at all
jovial mural
hot creek
just use Warspite/Formi/Centaur
jovial mural
formi
sharp wing
well, he missed formie event
hot creek
oh rip in peace
hot creek
I've had to reset against Warspite/Dork comps before
sharp wing
jovial mural
but will hms backline remain meta against IJN + fdg mainfleet?
jovial mural
sharp wing
or at least namagiwarkai
hot creek
Only time can tell. Or someone in jp who can test for us.
midnight heron
forcing rushers to sandbag 
jovial mural
midnight heron
sharp wing
jovial mural
when u wake up early in the morning for exercices
midnight heron
u mean physical exercises
sharp wing
just waiting to do night raid in 4 am and 
midnight heron
exercise when u exercise
sharp wing
Night Raid w/ Lusty
jovial mural
we use to say exercice
sharp wing
cice
jovial mural
forest lake
hot creek
yes
midnight heron
smoky elk
up to your 
and your irl time
we'll have to wait at least 2 more days to unlock the 3.6m xp anyway
coral wren
Do all PvP immediately after the refresh VS keep it and do them all just before the refresh; which is optimal?
midnight heron
wat if i told u both r not optimal
hot creek
The latter will at least ensure you don't get point penalties assuming you continue to fight higher ranked opponents while giving you the possibility for at least one match worth of bonus points.
The former just turns you into delicious food.
midnight heron
join rusher squad
hot creek
No shame in being food. It is a vital role in this ecosystem.
coral wren
Might I ask what's the optimal solution?
hot creek
Sure. But let me pre-face this by saying you don't need to play super optimally in pvp to get the most reward out of it. Its pretty easy to reach highest tier of reward (Admiral of the Navy) without having to tryhard.
Anyways, in order to maximise points, you need to beat opponents who have more points than you. When the gap is large enough, ie. opponent having +35 over you (the number varies depending what part of the season we're in ) you can attack them and recieve bonus points in addition to the base amount.