#pvp
ionic magnet
ionic magnet
but how did you get the plane 
coral wren
Sorry I'm a bit lazy ok
Just joking had work to do so yeah fuck me
12 hours work shifts and when you get home you just tired
But I will get it when it comes back
coral wren
?????
vague token
weird translation things
ripe latch
coral wren
Still don't get it
timber adder
Rate my IJN retro team 
hot creek
0/10, not lvl 120.
timber adder
hot creek
gotta oath them too 
vague token
on en gold fcr is HSFCR
coral wren
???
empty grove
coral wren
Oh ok
Fuck I knew it it's Ark's fault can someone call the fbi on her pls
XD
I did tell her she should stop it but she never listened
forest lake
shell heron
upper sparrow
oh fuck now i missed 4 attempt cause i overslept, rip this season 
shell heron
Not even close
I sandbagged a lot before and 2599 was my highest
0 dropped matches btw
inner zenith
how 2 sandbag
shell heron
@inner zenith unless you're serious. The pinned messages have some info on how pvp scoring works
We can get into details if you want, but its just move only when someone on your list move first
coral wren
hello everyone how are you guys doing
i'm just glad that you get in pvp fight so much exp
ripe latch
ripe latch
shy hazel
vague token
back to ijn master fleet.
plain carbon
But if you wanna fit both of them in
With warspite kai
You'll lose either amagi or nagato
granite flame
@vague token the meta was never not IJN Master fleet 😞
Maybe warspite retro changed it for like half a month but now that’ll change
plain carbon
Amagi would lose her 75% salvo boost as juneau in pvp is still so good
@granite flame just put warkai into the ijn meta
shell heron
I mean boilers already considered an option for ships. Personal preference but its still good
granite flame
If I wanted to run a USN Backline for pvp, who would I choose for a 3rd pick if I’m using Enterprise and Georgia ?
granite flame
Isn’t cancer 3.0 FDG WarKai Amagi/or Nagato
granite flame
Nagato just helps buff Azuma right
shell heron
Nagato buff on azuma isnt bad. Make your 4th main fleet ship hit harder
granite flame
But imo Amagi buffs everyone else already
shell heron
But amagi
granite flame
So Amagi > Nagato
plain carbon
I guess. Poor waifu
plain carbon
She gets power creeped by other back liners I guess?
But here is the big question
Who to farm first
FDG or Azuma
I'd want FDG first
granite flame
Azuma sadly is way better than the other choices because its literally a battleship in the frontline
vague token
battlecruiser*
vague token
kek
plain carbon
granite flame
???
vague token
they actually do differentiate
plain carbon
? She's a BC
vague token
for hardmode
plain carbon
Ingame
vague token
they use the same symbol for bb/bc/bm
plain carbon
Well how much xp farm is azuma? 3.5million?
granite flame
3.5
plain carbon
Man that's a lotta xp
granite flame
same as FDG let me check
plain carbon
- blueprints needed
granite flame
FDG costs 10k more gold than Azuma to research, this proves FDG > Azuma
granite flame
German engineering 
plain carbon
JAWOLL
shell heron
20k eHP
granite flame
@shell heron what gives her 20k on the wiki i see 11
plain carbon
Amagi buff?
shell heron
Someone did the math here before.
granite flame
Amagi is that strong ?
plain carbon
Amagi gives your fleet a shitload of eHP
granite flame
What’s the e in HP stand for?
plain carbon
Amagi pretty much gives your ships 30%+ more eHP
Just for her debuff on enemies
Not counting in the BUFF for your fleet
Which would double it
Amagi pretty much forces you to counter with Amagi 😂
granite flame
Welp
That’s a force adaption then guess I gotta level my Amagi past 110
I wish Graf Zep got a 3rd defensive skill so I wouldn’t have to fall to the dark side and use Amagi
plain carbon
I think the biggest problem with amagi is that she just straight up debuffs stats permanently
Her anti burn and bonus evasion buff are nice
But reducing all Fp / Avi / Torpedo stat by 9% is a bit much
granite flame
I don’t see what was going through the dev’s heads
Both skills seem fine to be in the game but on the same ship is just a meta breaker
Should of gave one to Kaga BB
plain carbon
Kind of yeah
Having the 2 best support skills + a good barrage is alot
Due to almost everyone and their moms using HE guns
Her passive skills are even stronger
Hahaha
Welp imma head out
Good night
vague token
it should be more than 25k with evasion
(in pvp)
she should hit around 10k hp with 200 affection
pvp multiplier brings her to around 23k
scaling dr should push her to 25k
then depending on evasion even more
charred sable
You had one job Juneau, one job...
cerulean estuary
thats what u get when u put her on MID
charred sable
She's actually on top
still minnow
juneau secretly a top confirmed
forest lake
Juneau had enough
empty grove
shell heron
I oathed Juneau, so not having her lead is already a risk
coral wren
Why is belfast there though
vague token
blissful girder
In Juneau/Nep/Ykz frontline, who gets the pearl? 
meager dawn
All of them 
proper thistle
hot creek
Put Nep in front and give it to her.
frail orbit
jovial sedge
Oh ffs ... This was fast dev 2... Rip
ripe latch
fdg
jovial sedge
Still tho never gonna sink so low to ijn...
granite flame
@jovial sedge yes stand strong brother
jovial sedge
Friggin... System as I was happy with my warpi now the dreaded azuma comes... to even more whore the brokeness out of ijn...
latent birch
what
plain carbon
@jovial sedge back line meta will be non IJN tho
FdG / WarKai / Amagi
Azuma / Juneau / yukikaze
We drop down to 3 IJN ships
elder crane
Nah, you keep Nagato here over either Warkai or FdG
4 IJN for Amagi and the boost to Amagi and Azuma is too much to give up
plain carbon
Nagato boost for pretty much amagi only, yukikaze gets almost nothing. Warkai and FDG are too good to give up
elder crane
Azuma gets a significant boost too
And vanguard pressure once again matters with Azuma around
Especially warkai, the team doesn't have enough focus dmg if you drop Nagato for FdG
plain carbon
We will see how it works out
jovial sedge
Well fuck it still I just wont sink so low never... Hope there will be some non ijn option
Well anyway and what about research overall dev 1 blueprints will be gone or what wanted to have finished at least nep to dev 30
shell heron
I thought FdG was viable for def, but use WSkai for atk
But I do agree on keeping Nagato. Azuma is your 4th main fleet ship, why not make her more of a threat
jovial sedge
The pure dev bias retardation 200% there 
granite flame
Only IJN issue is Amagi though
It’s only because she buffs everybody
If Amagi never existed meta could go either way for all nations
Besides France Italy kappa
how much AA does cancer backline 3.0 have? Does it rule enterprise out as a possible way to beat it?
red nexus
Enterprise beating anything in current state of the game 
granite flame
I use Enty and have no problem beating WarKai and IJN fleets
But I don’t know how good she is against Azuma, FDG, etc
granite flame
I got 60k and 50k ready to spend on Azuma and FDG
Over like 3 weeks of not building or spending for stuff
ripe latch
azuma or fdg first?
ionic magnet
imagine having issues on offense in this warkai era
granite flame
I’ve only had issues fighting WarKai when I was retarded putting my Enty where she would be nuked by her
Then I discovered you could move ships to avoid another ships barrage pepega
red nexus
So what?
jovial sedge
Warpy life was sure short : /wonder if formi and kent still will work but guess not
ionic magnet
fdg is not even a straight upgrade from hiryuu imo
and you can always use your own azuma for VG
coral wren
I was thinking of bis/fdg/tirp
elder crane
Warkai does everything tirp does but better
Vanguard is obviously Azuma/Jun/Ykkz, anything else is just subpar
Namagi offers more than either Bis+Warkai or Bis+FdG here, whoops meta team :P
If you try GZ over Tirp, same shit, amagi offers better skills than GZ
Vanguard then pivots to standard since you're not locked to KMS for vanguard for GZ anymore
Then Nagato is better than Bis here, whoops meta team again :P
Aka imo if you go KMS, go full KMS
If you try to optimize, you just return to meta fleet...
coral wren
Well, i kinda want the most efficient full kms backline
I dunno, fdg and bis both want mid spot
Meh, i guess by the time we level pr2 ships yongshi might throw another broken ship at us in next events
forest lake
FdG Bis Graf or Amagi
coral wren
if only graf had gold junkers and fighters with bombs..
vague token
gold junkers would still be worse than heccdiver
base hit rate of 100 bombs is like really bad
shell heron
Azuma/Jun/Yuki looks to be the top tier VG soon. Can't think of another comp that can outclass it
because 4:2 comp sounds fair
vague token
does azuma actually pressure vg, or does she just waste no damage by shooting main?
cause her aux gun is garbo
300+ fp doesnt save 60% efficiency
shell heron
doesn't her main gun target mainfleet? that puts more pressure on the big damage units
shell heron
There's also the 310mm
vague token
no i mean does the 310 use that rule
elder crane
it uses standard targeting, but range is so long that if enemy vanguard isn't in arc, it fires at main fleet
vague token
yeah i figured
ripe latch
hoary pasture
team comps are complicated and im brain damaged. If i were to put together a backline of just whatever op shit i find, would it be viable? say something like warkai + fdg + georgia, straight up randomness
viable being defined for me as being: atleast going even with namaryuu/IJN comp
hot creek
Depends how OP the ships actually are. Standalone ships that can carry a team without much synergy like Warspite, Amagi, and probabdy FDG sure.
but keep in mind if you go against a full meta comp you might need to reset a couple times or two.
vague token
im pretty sure you could do warspite/amagi/fdg and have like no problems
ionic magnet
I remember having 20-30% winrate with doy hood ws(prekai) vs maxed namaryuus
I'd say as long as you use standard VG you're still good
resetting is not fun tho when you do it daily
vague token
im using dork/amagi/ws right now
ionic magnet
ionic magnet
vague token
if it's hiryuu you just proc final counter under 20 seconds
xD
then triple cl frontline just tanks it
ezpz
jovial sedge
I want non ijn bs comp ><
vague token
amagi also dies after all shells
since she usually evades 1 barrage shell
so you need more shots but xD
ionic magnet
after dev2 what
jovial sedge
when this azuma shit comes to life
elder crane
FC should do well vs Azuma, actually
ionic magnet
im not sure whats the problem when azuma just means their VG will be more vulnerable to CVs
elder crane
Especially since most people will be running plate on Azuma if they have it, to better protect against Nagato
jovial sedge
but when itll be comboed together with their ijn animal things
like if warpi formi and cent will do good against this amagi nagato fdg azuma yuki bs
ionic magnet
azuma on offense will just make defense fleets look silly but azuma on defense is not that scary imo
jovial sedge
weeel i wonder ... will see really they went out of their minds with all those buffs... i dont use that cat.. in vg but that itself is so broken ><
elder crane
Idk, given I personally didn't even target Hiryuu, I don't see why just targeting Amagi as usual won't work
you'll even be given an upgrade of 457 on Warkai
ionic magnet
worst case winrate might go down by like 10% but considering how easy it is right now, it should still be good
jovial sedge
just watching episode 9... Ark was there at start ... she was so cool
maybe one day the best ship will get some stronk kai... also tho there was this dark ark spoiled but nothing about that whatsoever since then
vague token
it isnt like azuma dies any faster than any other CA to avi damage
aka 20% evasion proc and 7.5k base hp
even with armor
jovial sedge
ugh
elder crane
FC already murders CAs though
vague token
exactly, it is just the same
ionic magnet
ill prolly go back to 1 ryuusei just for azuma
elder crane
It's basically ykkz that stands a good chance vs FC
And ofc Sandyret just laughing at it, but she'll be even less popular as time passes
vague token
kek
dive bombs gain what, 20% more vs heavy compared to medium?
105 to 125, yeah azuma gains like 50% or more hp compared to most CAs so armor isnt a problem
ionic magnet
yea i dont expect her to just die in 1 airstrike but she should be worse in tanking compared to sanrui right?
what does she want for gears anyways
still 2x gyro? 1 rudder 1 gyro?
or maybe VH armor + rudder
vague token
i mean, sure sanrui soaks air strikes but her hp is still much lower
and her damage is non-existent xD
elder crane
Rudder iirc is the go-to these days, especially if you lead with her instead of Jun
VH is for anti-Nagato mainly, though it's only bad vs planes and torps
Otherwise it's gyros on gyros
vague token
all about that lamb pita combination
the only thing for me is if i put armor on her, then no armor for main
=(
and id rather use armor on amagi
xD
still minnow
rudder vs. torp bulge on CLs?
vague token
depends?
lead and maybe mid can use bulge
like if you have extra rudders then you can use it
still minnow
let's assume I have unlimited rudders and unlimited torp bulges
frontline is CL-DD-CL
rn I have bulge on both cruisers but idk if that's more optimal than rudders
still minnow
would you use rudder on mid even if it's a DD
vague token
no
ionic magnet
rudder wins in eHP by a tiny amount but when you consider that rudder cant help with burns/floods, then toolbox is just better
and yea never rudder on DDs
still minnow
and so bulge vs. toolbox?
ionic magnet
wdym toolbox was always a staple in pvp
still minnow
I remember being told that toolboxes aren't good in pvp because the battles don't last long enough for the heal over time to do anything
ionic magnet
oh yea thats prolly good enough
vague token
assuming cl/dd/cl, bulge probably on lead
still minnow
so, 2 on her, 1 on each CL and then I need to figure out what durability item to put on each of the CLs
ionic magnet
i only put bulge on lead tbh
vague token
like here is mine:
https://gyazo.com/67b269ca8bc285b65e4d6fe61e68e33a
https://gyazo.com/454cfed4bb788c6261e73de6c38fd196
https://gyazo.com/52a5bf0d44a6f96371793e31bdedcd62
vague token
im using rudder sheffield to help make sure she still sinks after juneau
otherwise her shield would make her go first and delay juneau heal
still minnow
oof I lied
I don't have 4 boilers it's 3 cause pearls on lead
kinda considering taking them off though since I'm going for a vg survivability meme
and needing a vg to die is kinda counterproductive to that goal
ionic magnet
then you need pearl even more
only better gear that adds more eHP is rudder/toolbox but thats nothing compared to heal buff
still minnow
well I suppose it should be going on the backline
since they have this weird tendency to die
ionic magnet
thats some next level memes
forest lake
Points?
ionic magnet
but your fleet is so non meta idk how that works tbh
still minnow
points?
ionic magnet
1544 5/10 missed 2
still minnow
what armor type is most vulnerable to the barrages shot by ships typically put in mid?
vague token
if mid slot isnt heavy, you get slapped around by all barrages
vague token
nagato and amagi (can aim anywhere) are normal
but they have modifiers that punish medium
nagato wedge hurts light/medium
still minnow
i c
vague token
amagi still hurts on light a bit because the base is high, but it is basically a SAP round
xD
i wish they would just put the ratios for all barrages in skill description =(
shell heron
@vague token double shiny boilers on yuki
vague token
gotta pad that fleet power
hot creek
fuck pr2 just give me the Neptune skin
shell heron
vague token
xD
ionic magnet
vague token
lel
shell heron
you stalled me for an extra 30 seconds
vague token
isnt that tech bug?
elder crane
The best part about NamaWarkai is having 15.5k main fleet power 
shell heron
15.5k... I'm only at 15.3
elder crane
Well, actually 15.4k, whoops
Though with a diff set of still-legit aux I got to 15.45
vague token
it might show 15.5 on defense
elder crane
vague token
;)
still minnow
does lvl 120 eldridge proc every battle
shell heron
still have a 20s cd before skill have chance of proccing
elder crane
Whoops, though I SS 15.45k
vague token
she has to not die more than her proc rate
still minnow
my lvl 80 eldridge usually dies before she procs but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that's related to her lvl 80-ness
elder crane
It's not 100% for many teams
elder crane
Stuff like, say, FC you pretty much always proc once, sometimes even twice
But like foxes, at best like 10-20% 
Yeah, Eld and sandy are the two that really annoy FC
Eld less so, but still
still minnow
I'm using lusty's shield to try and ensure eldridge doesn't die and can proc since the hits on her while she's shielded still count towards procing the skill xD
still minnow
what's FC
elder crane
For Namagi, you're at the fickle whelms of dodging BB shots/Nagato barrage
vague token
lusty triggers too late
elder crane
Formidable+Centaur
elder crane
Well, 120 with standard loadout she doesn't proc too late
Especially if you also beacon
still minnow
I have belfast and bp with her, which both smoke xD
ok
so I'm on the right track just need to make her not be lvl 80
elder crane
Yeah, you need to try to cover her until 20s CD is up
Still super RNG vs BBs
She'll get semi-reliable triggers off most CVs though
vague token
vague token
one dead amagi at the 24
forest lake
vague token
toppus deletus
yeah no armor on that amagi
she dies even if juneau procs in the middle
i saw a 2.3k crit from dork
oh i just realized he doesnt have 4 ijn
yeah i dont think i can lose this without serious rng
xD
finite valve
i thought 4 jin cease to be a thing with the great liberator?
elder crane
You can still 4IJN with NamagiWS
Just need to have an IJN in flex slot
From my testing before, Jint doesn't work too well, but currently I'm running Ibuki (survivability build) and it's working out decently
finite valve
can =/= must / needed
plain carbon
Jintsuu > Ibuki imo
midnight heron
tfw no maxed ibuki so cant run namaspite 
plain carbon
but I dont like heavy cruisers at all
imo CA's are underpowered
speed is too valuable
elder crane
Ibuki actually has pretty decent speed, she's like halfway to CL speed base already
vague token
the problem is that CA damage is limited heavily
and that CLs get 15% damage amp
while CAs get 15% dr
elder crane
Ibuki isn't cause it's torps
vague token
if CAs had 15% damage amp with cl gun angles
CAs would be the punishers of squishy
while retaining damage potential on heavy armor
(cause the pvp adjustment is additive to ammo)
midnight heron
tbh who even cares about those % other than for slight minmax
u use ships for synergy anyway
vague token
i mean, 15% amp on CA would be pretty big for ibuki
cause without oxy she can have trouble doing damage unless you crit every shot
elder crane
Ibuki has HP on the higher end of CAs, and the second highest base Eva (behind York retro), but ofc 0 luck
accuracy is also at the top for CAs
and double preload torps is good damage output, especially for faster teams; she gets the Nagato boosts too
midnight heron
tell dat to those ibuki dat rekt backline when they get lucky
vague token
i mean if you get lucky, you get lucky
xD
when i fought blue ibuki did basically nothing most of the time
cause defense build with 270 torp
;)
midnight heron
guess i'll just hav to wait till azuma before i can run namaspite
vague token
honestly CAs getting 115 angle would be the biggest buff without changing their damage
because 45 is just SO limited
still minnow
they're so slow tho
midnight heron
ask yostar
still minnow
would that even be enough you're forced to use more boilers
midnight heron
i actually hav more problems with sanrui gun lockon than the angle lul
enemy move slightly out of range after lockon -> congratulations u fire at nothing straightahead
vague token
well yeah, 115 angle would fix that
45 angle means you get 22.5 degrees up and down xD
midnight heron
ik but other ca guns dont seem to hav dat particular issue
eg the ap guns
u will fire beyond ur firing angles
if u locked on
and enemy move to insane angles
vague token
midnight heron
pretty funny when they shoot at 90 degree angles lmao
finite valve
so event shop close tomorrow maint or today maint?
elder crane
That's actually VT effects
each volley will lock-on, but the lock-on doesn't stay between the two volleys of the MGM+1
AP shots have equal trouble with shooting at nothing overall
rancid sable
Finally back in top 3 for the first time in ages
long wraith
I want to ask about amagi and hiryuu kai equipment in pvp
Can anyone share their equipment?
maiden agate
long wraith
Thankyou
vestal compass
May i see what people run on Centaur?
coral wren
Cool this the first time i find myself in top 3 consistently
ionic magnet
not sure if you are aware but getting top ranks during mid season actually means you'll get less points towards the end
meager dawn
So is this why no one rushes 
ionic magnet
@vestal compass the usual is reppuu+pirate/any fighter with 500lb bombs+cuda/ryuusei+avgas+beacon/rwg//rudder/beaver
ionic magnet
yes both reppuu and pirate
vestal compass
Aichi B7A Ryuusei this as well right
ionic magnet
yep
well reppuu and ryuusei can drop from research comms and can be farmed from vdir archive
vestal compass
ah, I will farm them then, dont have any of those 2 planes
empty grove
red nexus
Pesants who don't have warkai
coral wren
Well, with ws now any hiryuu comp is a joke...
red nexus
Cursed
midnight heron
did they like change aimed torp bomber targetting or smth?
my flag was still alive but all torps aimed for hiryuu like tf
meager dawn
yeah they did
midnight heron
wat nonsense
meager dawn
can't snipe the flagship while frontline is alive anymore 
upper sparrow
so warkai should use double shell or sg + white shell? dont have hpfcr
upper sparrow
sg radar or double shell
cerulean estuary
double reloader
midnight heron
double boiler
shy hazel
dont wear any auxes
hot creek
Doesn't matter how many SG you give on her, granny still gonna miss shots so just yolo with double black shell
sacred oracle
Gamers Mark + Team Emblem 
elder crane
I'm not sure that even works
It didn't with the kizAI auxes, the equip skills couldn't be activated with the headband
upper sparrow
granite flame
Best level/map to farm FDG on?
meager dawn
12-4
elder crane
Highest map you can do
Probably 11-4 with dragging two 0lb
Ch12 is probably too difficult for that
If you don't mind throwing oil down the drain, then ch12
Without 0lb, 2:1 in ch11 probably
Might still work in ch12 if you use sandyret, not sure on that
hot creek
all KMS backline are from events
jovial sedge
This rush... Where azur lane comp talk here
granite flame
I’m not really in any rush to get FDG since grinding her blueprints will take months
hot creek
Gotta be first to the comment page
jovial sedge
The french bote is good tho? She is last to full fleet wonder how they would do
Im steadily building the baguette fleet
forest lake
Wait for Jeanne and Richy and we'll get baguette meta
jovial sedge
Hmm i got all skills on em maxed 100+ but it goes slow cos i commision lvl em
hot creek
Don't get your hopes up. Otherwise you'll end up like Bismarck/KMS fans
jovial sedge
Their skills looks good on paper but guess 2xdd and saint wont survive much
Also still dunno which is the first most position...
granite flame
If Riche miraculously gets a skill that negates the need for her sister ships to need to manually aim for the extra damage, 🥖 fleet would be possible
However, the devs don’t care about pvp balance or diversity, so it’s unlikely they’d be so generous
French frontline ships are utter terrible though, maybe Jeanne will be good
Destroyers in this meta and Emiles skills are 99% destroyer based
jovial sedge
Sadly so all we see is that ijn cancer but I wont fall to the evil side
Even tho i got all those ships
granite flame
I have a nearly maxed Amagi for the day I finally crack and join the dark side
Very tempted as seeing 20k eHp on FDG is just 
midnight heron
dew it
jovial sedge
Hmm I see those who use ijn cancer as no equals
coral wren
Well, removing need in manual aiming on french ships would be useful for pve as well
jovial sedge
But they got preload ... T_T isnt that good enough
midnight heron
and then enemy lands all their shots on ur vg
blazing scroll
If jbs preload actually hit something I would use her anytime
But that's not the case
long wraith
Change jintsuu with Portland Kai/Sandy Kai
elfin summit
Hello,
Could somebody explain please, why Centaur considered to be good attacker? She's 2x fighters and skills doesn't look too OP for me
does she work any special when paired with Formi?
what's her synergy with Formi?
I know they both slow enemies down, but why exactly FC is notable?
why not use one of them
oh, so her barrage is this OP?
long wraith
Torpedos spam
elfin summit
need to check it
vague token
her barrage hits hard because of her reduced pvp penalty
compared to other ships
plus her high base stats
elder crane
Well, FC is more Formidable-focused, she provides the anvil of stopping enemy vanguard for a short moment
Cent is just overall the best hammer to take advantage of that Anvil, since 4 high-eff TB slots, is naturally the right launch timing for Formi's slow, and is already an amazing ship overall
elder crane
Nobody else but Ark even matches Cent on TB power
Even though Ark has better TBs, Ark has launch timing issues and is overall a much worse ship
vague token
worse barrage, high damage penalty, lower defenses, bad reload
ark's barrage hits for like 200 per torp i think?
or less?
elder crane
about that iirc
vague token
i think the only other air barrage around there is sara
but at least sara inflicts 2 dots
xD
vague token
hiryuu barrage is like negative damage
cause it triggers fighters to hit you back
xD
trail trench
Alright so the logic: Baltimore is overall a great DPS, buffs both CVs, and can deal with mediums. Helena for her debuff. Replaced Jintsuu with Sandy. Jintsuu was used mostly for extra DPS and was the best CL I had at the time for survival skills. Rear is pretty obvious.
meager dawn
no juneau? 
trail trench
Don't have her upgraded. 35% healing would be nice though
ripe latch
but numba wan 105 lvl usless
granite flame
Good staple though against fox cancer if you don’t have anything better
trail trench
That's what I meant. Obviously Pearl's tears would be best on her
trail trench
I put it on helena anyway. My old setup was more torp based so it's a bit of a transition still. Sandy is fully skilled out but yeah, she needs levels
elfin summit
speaking of Pearl, is it supposed to enhanced?
I mean, enhancing it contributes opposite it's mechanics
wish enhance could be reset to fine-tune it
because I feel I broke mine Pearl
elder crane
Environment is hostile enough that I've never had pearl enhance be, on average, the deciding factor
If anything, it's mostly "pearl holder sinks too early"
ashen lion
midnight heron
was pretty sure i never missed matches but somehow im only at 24/30 weekly after i rushed
hot creek
Ima be pissed if we can convert pr1 bp to pr2. Cause that means I missed all those extra general BP from shop thatvI thought were useless.
shell heron
We saw what jp/cn shops have. Pr2 have their own general bps
General bps were always a priority for me. Need that fate5 you know
hot creek
so there are separate PR1 protocore and PR2 protocore?
was there a preview stream of the shop or something?
also what does "keel complilation" mean
hot creek
if thats the case, aren't the last two statements contradictory?
can only scrap BP after they're dev 30... but also before you even build them.
hot creek
I guess "keel compilation" = fate sim would make sense in this case.
midnight heron
i checked their patch notes on weibo and they dont mention any keel compilation
anyway additional info i got:
- shop resets monthly
- u can buy pr weapon bp with those "cores"
finite valve
@midnight heron https://www.azurlane.jp/news-item.html?i=1121
complete patch note
midnight heron
oh its jp news i cant read jp 
still minnow
stick it thru google translate
oh the site is too scripted and it doesn't work
gj al
finite valve
i use chrome and just auto translate
midnight heron
anyway its safe to assume its fate sim
just searched the term and fate sim pics show up so
still minnow
well if chrome works then translate should work
does this work for you
I use a lot of script stopping extensions so maybe it's my fault
finite valve
nope
midnight heron
no but on my end it works
still minnow
what do you mean on your end?
still minnow
like you used translate yourself and it worked but my link doesn't?
midnight heron
ya
still minnow
well that's chrome translate not google translate xDDD
still minnow
I'm not using chrome
midnight heron
https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=%2312月19日09%3A00港区改建%23&from=default i use dis instead
for info
funny how diff regions omit diff details
midnight heron
still minnow
ngl I've literally never used an -ese website without it breaking
don't understand why or how
midnight heron
https://www.weibo.com/5770760941/IlcFWympV?type=comment does dis work tho
its cuz its foreign
still minnow
website loads
and shows everything
but when I put the website into google translate it just shows a blank screen
:|
it breaks in a new way every time
I just copied the raw text in tho
"After maintenance on December 19 ~ before maintenance on December 26, the experience of character maples, badgers, badgers, and dogs will be improved through attacks."
what the fuck
midnight heron
lmao
just translate point 7
those maple, badgers r ship names
and u cant directly translate it
still minnow
lmao
Orientation blueprints, scientific research equipment fragments can be exchanged in the store
why would I give them my scientific orientation blueprints?
I need those for changing people's orientations
I saw that and I'm going to reply to it even if you deleted it you slut
ngl things would be so much easier if I could just change myself to be gay
unfortuantely that's not how that works and I'm stuck dealing with women
xD
midnight heron
just 
still minnow
Added voices for character dress up:
you know that's an interesting way to put it
if you buy skins for your anime girls
aren't you just playing dress up
with virtual dolls
thank you google translate for this insight
midnight heron
not sure y google translates jap better than chi
hoary pasture
isnt google run by weebs
midnight heron
coral wren
So, how good is the Prototype Triple 203 gun for CAs?
vague token
both pr ca guns are good
elder crane
For PvP, arguably as good as it gets
vague token
depending on what you need
hot creek
does someone still have third rainbow quint
elder crane
Well, Sandyret does have insane base fleet power
I'm not too surprised if that's just 6 oxytorp
iirc you got to 15.5k with full oxytorps before sandyret and 2nd rainbow
empty grove
Apparently you could actually keep the 3rd
If you had the glitched one still buyable in the shop when they took them all away
midnight heron
elder crane
Lol, I was wondering about that when they took away glitched ones before shop closed
also apparently some fonny guy bought up to 3, scrapped 1, then got another taken away
midnight heron
still minnow
does azumama have good AA
finite valve
JP
good AA
pick one not both
still minnow
good
finite valve
that your answer
still minnow
so she at least has a weakness
finite valve
eh cancer 3.0 don't need AA
midnight heron
looks at isuzu
smoky elk
Azuma 's around 220 AA
still minnow
and niizuki
there are several jp ships with uncharacteristically good AA
it's like people saying that american cruisers in wows don't have torpedoes
there are like 4 american cruisers with torpedoes and if you assume that they don't you'll get yourself killed
smoky elk
Azuma is IJN-take on experimental large cruiser, light battlecruiser (JP equalvalent of USS Alaska)
elder crane
Aka
"Shit, we heard the IJN are planning the Azuma-class, better plan+make the Alaskas to counter that"
"Shit, the USN are making the Alaskas, better plan Azumas to counter that"
smoky elk
then there's Yoshino-class, Azuma's successor, (Basically Azuma with Shimakaze's torps)
glacial shuttle
Should I replace someone with Hiryuu?
I have no Amagi, so cant do Namaryuu
elder crane
Could be an option over QE in the mirror, let them chew on Hiryuu while the rest of your fleet kills them
I wouldn't bother outside of that
smoky elk
^ placing Monarch at center, then u may try hiryu as option over QE
glacial shuttle
Yeah I mostly swap out Monarch position against Namaryuu or Namaspite
vague token
monarch 
upper sparrow
emm, top 10 pvp today already reach gensui or still in admiral (before fleet admiral)?
midnight heron
u cant aotn before friday
still minnow
GUYS I HAVE EVOLVED
yuugure kai
vs sirius
for buffing the CVs
sirius gives 10% air power & 10% hitrate
yuugure gives 15% damage and -15% incoming damage
which of these is a more useful buff for a triple CV backline to have? I feel like yuugure? but I'm not sure how helpful 10% hitrate is, or the air power -> damage formula
also I asked a while back how to make my backline tankier
and y'all said yukikaze was my only option
you're liars! because apparently yuugure exists!
fucking lying pvp thots
vague token
xD
elder crane
%Airpower is somewhat worse than %dmg
Roughly for PvP, every 3% airpower is worth 2% dmg or so
Hitrate is massive boost
Every 1% of hitrate is worth about 3% dmg vs vanguard and 2% vs main
Yuugure isn't PvP-viable due to her buffs being tied to her not sinking yet and she being very squishy
Ykkz is the only DD that isn't fairly squishy or worse in PvP, due to the high-hit-stat and level parity environment of PvP (PvE enemies rarely even reach 75 hit, PvP basically starts at 75 hit and can reach around 200, with 120 or so being average)
Sirius, in comparison, is both decently tanky herself and doesn't need to be afloat for her buff to apply
still minnow
alright well I don't have sirius xD
so I'm going to see if I can get yuugure to work. I do have eldridge belfast and lusty, so if yuugure can't stay alive
then I will be sorely disappointed
jesus fucking christ yuugure has 518 torpedo stat
did not expect that from a totally forgotten ship that nobody cares about
upper sparrow
@midnight heron ok thx
midnight heron
but yuugure kai isnt here yet
still minnow
does the 818 speed reduction stack together with formi's speed reduction?
midnight heron
how will they even stack
still minnow
what do you mean
midnight heron
1 is spd reduc for 8s, the other 1 is instant stop for 1.5s
still minnow
the stop wears off over time slowly
midnight heron
yea but then dats not stacking anymore
u just applying another debuff right after
still minnow
so the stop debuff gets removed and overridden by the 818 debuff?
vague token
i think it's multiplicative
still minnow
formi forces stop for 1.5s but then the target also stays slowed for another ~3 seconds over time
vague token
for slow stacking
midnight heron
idk about the actual mechs but timing 818 with instant stop is kinda impossible in the first place
still minnow
I'm wondering if the 818 debuff will stack with the time stop as it wears off
midnight heron
idk how the 3s and 8s interact
upper sparrow
just test it 4head
midnight heron
cuz u cant rly gauge if the spd reduc has been stacked in dat 3s
also torp bomber rng
elder crane
Yes, all slows stack multiplicatively with each other
That includes formi's ramping slow portion, it's fairly obvious if you have Ark or Cent with her
still minnow
my problem is if I buy 818 then I can't buy skyrockets to put on my lusty 
midnight heron
elder crane
Skyrockets
midnight heron
just get multiple vf17
still minnow
I don't even have a single one
elder crane
Basically obsolete these days with beacon around
That's usually as much accel as you'll ever need
still minnow
I need them so lusty can block nagato barrage
elder crane
Ehh, glhf with that
Pretty sure it's impossible
midnight heron
can she even reach 18s launch timing
still minnow
it's an important timing threshold to hit my man
not going to stop me from trying 8D I'm really close with messers and ryuusei so cuda and rockets would probably stop it
elder crane
Even max stacked load time Lusty won't even block twin 410 Nagato barrage, much less twin381 being the more common choice
still minnow
is 18 seconds the timing I need to hit?
elder crane
You'll need ~17s launch time for that, which is actually impossible
midnight heron
i approximate 18s based on non oathed nagato
cuz it takes time for the big 7 to spread and reach
still minnow
how much does oath increase rld by?
midnight heron
6% max
midnight heron
ofc if enemy using hfcr then glhf
still minnow
so to get lusty's launch time (I have her at 200 aff, was first oath) I would take her reload stat, multiply by 1.12, then take the final number the calc gives and multiply by 0.96 for the beacon?
elder crane
Ingame already shows stats after mod
midnight heron
no exp using spreadsheet so
elder crane
That usually uses 100 aff
So need to multiply by 1.12/1.06 for best estimate
Better to use what you see ingame though, since rounding is a thing
still minnow
I don't have a single lv 120 ship and missing lots of equips so I have to figure out timings externally >.<
midnight heron
btw just realised my timing is off cuz i didnt account for naga buff in battle
elder crane
Gimme a sec, I can give you the reload stat of 120 200 aff Lusty
midnight heron
20% rld
elder crane
124
still minnow
the thing that I'm really failing to understand is how to figure out how many planes she has xD
elder crane
No, you have to divide by the bonus you're already receiving
still minnow
wait what do you mean divide
elder crane
3/3/2
Go to her limit break page and tap on each limit break
Stats given are usually already with the 6% bonus 100 aff no oath gives
So you have to divide that out first, then apply the 12% bonus 200 aff gives
elder crane
Alternatively, wiki will tell you the plane count of any slot on any CV/L
still minnow
can't see plane list, there is the limit break list thing but I'm not big brain enough to understand it
elder crane
Anyways, Lusty has 124 reload at 200 aff lv120
midnight heron
u dont need big brain
ionic magnet
not even close
still minnow
I have bataan which also buffs by 20%
elder crane
Oh, en is annoying
Look at limit break bonus
Each slot starts with 1 plane
midnight heron
sounds pretty insane lul 15.2
ionic magnet
yea its different
elder crane
20% reload buff for lusty is like ~7% load time reduction, or ~1.5s
Might get you down to 17s
still minnow
yeah should be just barely enough if 18 seconds is the timing I need to hit for most nagato
midnight heron
its not 18s
midnight heron
i said i forgot to account for 20% rld
elder crane
I think you'll catch the ppl running twin410 without HFCR or slower
410 with HFCR or twin381, no chance
still minnow
the final calc is 17.6 seconds with everything set up
midnight heron
yea u wont catch those using hfcr
still minnow
albacore doesn't even bring it down much if I were to try and use it xDDDD
brings it down to 17.4
ok I guess reliable nagato check isn't happening
still minnow
going to switch to 818s instead of cuda too for utility
not sure why use cudas when 818 exist tbh
messers and 818s hit 18.4s
elder crane
There's the occasional team that basically can't make use of 818 period
Namagi with some setups can't, and with most can't make use of 818 well
midnight heron
cant make use of it if all of it miss
still minnow
I see
turns out the launch time difference between 818 and ryuusei on lusty is negligible...
and sher launch syncs with formi so I guess she's going with ryuuseis xD
idk if lusty has enough torp bombers for that to even matter?
elder crane
Any bit helps
midnight heron
skyrocket is blasting off again
still minnow
the hotter the flame, the faster the burn
ionic magnet
dont ask me why i have 2x skyrockets
still minnow
let me guess you tried to do the same thing that I was about to try and do
midnight heron
time for interrogation
ionic magnet
ionic magnet
not telling
midnight heron
its just a prank bro
still minnow
if he's got two it's because he tried ot put them on a CV that takes 2 fighters
midnight heron
lul we getting hatsuharu retro